Re: [hlds] pipeline crash
Related to pipeline, we got a strange problem yesterday on Stage 3. The red team won because of the cart, then there was the building explosion/the fire, but a new round didn't start. The game was buggued and everybody stayed in stage 3 forever. 2009/5/23 Kaspars kasp...@micro.lv I had a crash on pipeline too. It has been about 10h now without a crash, tho. 2009/5/22 Dog gecla...@gmail.com I don't think it's related to Pipeline. It was crashing on Dustbowl and other maps as well. I have had regular crashes since the previous update on Windows servers and after the recent update on Windows and Linux servers. Not running anything special. I should at least submit the mdmps to either BAIL or VALVe... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
Well then, I'm glad I've enabled it! :) - Original Message - From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:59:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? I added the sv_allow_wait_command 0 already and a few people have been why my scripts no work, so yeah looks like Valve fixed it. Good news if you ask me, I am surprised and somewhat upset by the amount of people who use scripts like this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shorec...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:13 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? Well then, I'm glad I've enabled it! :) - Original Message - From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:59:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? I added the sv_allow_wait_command 0 already and a few people have been why my scripts no work, so yeah looks like Valve fixed it. Good news if you ask me, I am surprised and somewhat upset by the amount of people who use scripts like this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
we have had people who use pistol scripts etc whose TF2 client crashes when they use them now wait is disabled. personally, serves them right but it is kind of annoying. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shorec...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:13 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? Well then, I'm glad I've enabled it! :) - Original Message - From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:59:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? I added the sv_allow_wait_command 0 already and a few people have been why my scripts no work, so yeah looks like Valve fixed it. Good news if you ask me, I am surprised and somewhat upset by the amount of people who use scripts like this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
It is normal it crashes. The script is too fast or something without waits. Maybe they should just stop using pistol scripts? :) 2009/5/23 Arg! chillic...@gmail.com we have had people who use pistol scripts etc whose TF2 client crashes when they use them now wait is disabled. personally, serves them right but it is kind of annoying. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shorec...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:13 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? Well then, I'm glad I've enabled it! :) - Original Message - From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:59:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? I added the sv_allow_wait_command 0 already and a few people have been why my scripts no work, so yeah looks like Valve fixed it. Good news if you ask me, I am surprised and somewhat upset by the amount of people who use scripts like this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
If there is a round trip to the server and back every time the wait command is used, I sure hope there are anti-DoS measures in place, otherwise it's quite possible for them to flood the server. The server should respond back only 1x every # seconds to avoid this. In between, just ignore incoming wait checks from that user. Actually, admins may prefer someone attempting this, to be temp banned from the server for # minutes, and a perm ban after # attempts. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com http://steamcommunity.com/groups/UACommunity Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???)
all the crashes are fixed? Ive seen some threads there that make it look like 89 is crashing as well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Ambassador
Anyone else found that the ambassador can still shoot through grates? I just got killed by one ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
i havent goten any thing 10 horurs game playin 2 days fuck the sytem (and the police) what do the hats do other than meake it easyer to see your head On May 22, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Michael Krasnow wrote: i got the ambassador and dead ringer right as i logged in no kills nothing then i play for hours and nothing new On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM, HoundDawg houndd...@dawgpaw.com wrote: Yes, I have to agree with the rush. I hear plenty of comments on how disappointed that the actual release, although contained what the marketing promised, it lacked the quality that the marketing provided us over the past 2 weeks. It wouldn't be nearly as bad, if the issues were not so simple that even a quick 3 round test couldn't spot. Unfortunately, it does appear, that so many issues could have been easily caught through some sort of QC test. Regardless, I know that Valve is aware of the issues, and are working on a patch. It's nothing new and we've been here with every update. In the meantime, if pipeline is crashing your sever, remove it from the playlist and vote, until it's fixed. Fresh updates require admins to be calm, smart, resiliant, and patient. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com http://steamcommunity.com/groups/UACommunity Joel R. wrote: I have to agree, I don't like this system at all. It seems rushed and not very thought out. I want the weapons now, not later. This backpack system does not fit into the TF2 world at all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Ambassador
I tried and it didn't work. I guess you played on an unupdated server? 2009/5/23 Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com Anyone else found that the ambassador can still shoot through grates? I just got killed by one ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Ambassador
Correct. Shooting through the glass on Arena Watchtower, where I still hit the glass trying to shoot in. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Bembridge philipbembri...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone else found that the ambassador can still shoot through grates? I just got killed by one ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
When can we ban him from this mailing list? Admin, whoever you are, you have yet to contribute anything to this list but complaints and shown us you are incapable of withstanding a level of maturity over that of my 1 year old child. Get over yourself or go spew your idiocy elsewhere. We are neither amused or complacent with this kind of behavior on this mailing list. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of admin Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:49 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops i havent goten any thing 10 horurs game playin 2 days fuck the sytem (and the police) what do the hats do other than meake it easyer to see your head On May 22, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Michael Krasnow wrote: i got the ambassador and dead ringer right as i logged in no kills nothing then i play for hours and nothing new On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 3:11 PM, HoundDawg houndd...@dawgpaw.com wrote: Yes, I have to agree with the rush. I hear plenty of comments on how disappointed that the actual release, although contained what the marketing promised, it lacked the quality that the marketing provided us over the past 2 weeks. It wouldn't be nearly as bad, if the issues were not so simple that even a quick 3 round test couldn't spot. Unfortunately, it does appear, that so many issues could have been easily caught through some sort of QC test. Regardless, I know that Valve is aware of the issues, and are working on a patch. It's nothing new and we've been here with every update. In the meantime, if pipeline is crashing your sever, remove it from the playlist and vote, until it's fixed. Fresh updates require admins to be calm, smart, resiliant, and patient. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com http://steamcommunity.com/groups/UACommunity Joel R. wrote: I have to agree, I don't like this system at all. It seems rushed and not very thought out. I want the weapons now, not later. This backpack system does not fit into the TF2 world at all. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???)
Well we worked with Beetlefart on the Windowz version and since applying .89 we've had no crashes or other weird behavior on our live game server. I have also put it on my vanilla test server without any changes and it's been running since applied. I looked at those threads in the BM forums and to me it looked like there may be some config changes needed, (bm_UseForcedRespawnforFastRespawn 0 in the default.cfg was one), but then all is good. We haven't really tested out all functions yet (will be done as we use it). Of course your milage may vary, hehe. Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:03:56 -0400 From: thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???) all the crashes are fixed? Ive seen some threads there that make it look like 89 is crashing as well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???)
Well I did load it up. The only possible issue I see is this, its not connecting to the sql datatbase. This isnt unusual for a restart on the server and a map change usualy will reconnect it. however weve been through 2 map changes and still no connection On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Steve Kovack Sr. ofcba...@hotmail.comwrote: Well we worked with Beetlefart on the Windowz version and since applying .89 we've had no crashes or other weird behavior on our live game server. I have also put it on my vanilla test server without any changes and it's been running since applied. I looked at those threads in the BM forums and to me it looked like there may be some config changes needed, (bm_UseForcedRespawnforFastRespawn 0 in the default.cfg was one), but then all is good. We haven't really tested out all functions yet (will be done as we use it). Of course your milage may vary, hehe. Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:03:56 -0400 From: thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???) all the crashes are fixed? Ive seen some threads there that make it look like 89 is crashing as well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???)
meh never mind it decided to fire up after a third change musta been a fluke On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: Well I did load it up. The only possible issue I see is this, its not connecting to the sql datatbase. This isnt unusual for a restart on the server and a map change usualy will reconnect it. however weve been through 2 map changes and still no connection On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Steve Kovack Sr. ofcba...@hotmail.comwrote: Well we worked with Beetlefart on the Windowz version and since applying .89 we've had no crashes or other weird behavior on our live game server. I have also put it on my vanilla test server without any changes and it's been running since applied. I looked at those threads in the BM forums and to me it looked like there may be some config changes needed, (bm_UseForcedRespawnforFastRespawn 0 in the default.cfg was one), but then all is good. We haven't really tested out all functions yet (will be done as we use it). Of course your milage may vary, hehe. Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:03:56 -0400 From: thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Server crashing after update (Beetle's MOD???) all the crashes are fixed? Ive seen some threads there that make it look like 89 is crashing as well ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_052009 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
With the next class update, I hope Valve doesn't announce what the random drops are available or even the mention that the update is available. Mention the new maps and bug fixes but ninja the rest (like the headgear). That way the community can stop this QQ nonsense and the retarded achievement_idle servers. The weapons would just appear in your inventory with an introductory web page that can be shared with your friends list via Steam. Let it go viral (which would then at least lower the initial avalanche of complainers). Bah who am I kidding. There'll always be haters. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
Most of the people complaining are sad, angry and jealous folk who are afraid and resistant to any sort of change be it good or bad and will rail against it and try to prevent it no matter what.The update is free, the game is still fun, it's not an rpg, and it's not ruined forever. There's no concluding statement to add here, because people will still whine and bitch and complain about all of this until they put the old system back, and then they will whine, bitch and complain about the old system and how Valve is unoriginal and what not. So that's it. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Mike O'Laughlen molaugh...@gmail.comwrote: With the next class update, I hope Valve doesn't announce what the random drops are available or even the mention that the update is available. Mention the new maps and bug fixes but ninja the rest (like the headgear). That way the community can stop this QQ nonsense and the retarded achievement_idle servers. The weapons would just appear in your inventory with an introductory web page that can be shared with your friends list via Steam. Let it go viral (which would then at least lower the initial avalanche of complainers). Bah who am I kidding. There'll always be haters. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
EP3 delayed 'till 2014. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:53 PM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: Ever since the update came out... Well I got nothing except a second bonk. Time to check out those idle maps. Oh and gabeisfat. -- Aaron Goulden ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
That makes sense. I wonder if i could hook wait in sourcemod and make it wait for 10 minutes. Thatd confuse em. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 11:34 PM, HoundDawg houndd...@dawgpaw.com wrote: If there is a round trip to the server and back every time the wait command is used, I sure hope there are anti-DoS measures in place, otherwise it's quite possible for them to flood the server. The server should respond back only 1x every # seconds to avoid this. In between, just ignore incoming wait checks from that user. Actually, admins may prefer someone attempting this, to be temp banned from the server for # minutes, and a perm ban after # attempts. -- HoundDawg UnitedAdmins.com http://steamcommunity.com/groups/UACommunity Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote: I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
The most popular game mode in TF2. Chat/AFK. Last refresh I saw over 200 servers running achievement_idle and the number is increasing. All you do is join and minimize the game, get weapon drops as you stay afk... you can even stay as a spectator. PS: THANKS VALVE, THIS WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UNLOCKABLES. Now we don't even need to play the game to get the weapons.. and when I say we I actually mean everyone else because I got absolutely nothing since the second bonk on Thursday. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
They obviously devised the system for achievement_idle servers all along.Continue your whining. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: The most popular game mode in TF2. Chat/AFK. Last refresh I saw over 200 servers running achievement_idle and the number is increasing. All you do is join and minimize the game, get weapon drops as you stay afk... you can even stay as a spectator. PS: THANKS VALVE, THIS WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UNLOCKABLES. Now we don't even need to play the game to get the weapons.. and when I say we I actually mean everyone else because I got absolutely nothing since the second bonk on Thursday. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
The crashing is indeed a nice bonus but maybe a little over the top. It would be nice if they could look into it. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 1:33 PM, AnAkIn . anakin...@gmail.com wrote: It is normal it crashes. The script is too fast or something without waits. Maybe they should just stop using pistol scripts? :) 2009/5/23 Arg! chillic...@gmail.com we have had people who use pistol scripts etc whose TF2 client crashes when they use them now wait is disabled. personally, serves them right but it is kind of annoying. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald voo...@voogru.com wrote: I've noticed that when running the wait command with this enabled has the server reply with unknown command: wait So it would be possible to implement a server side version of the command that perhaps informs them scripts not allowed. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of shorec...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:13 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? Well then, I'm glad I've enabled it! :) - Original Message - From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:59:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone? I added the sv_allow_wait_command 0 already and a few people have been why my scripts no work, so yeah looks like Valve fixed it. Good news if you ask me, I am surprised and somewhat upset by the amount of people who use scripts like this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
No matter what people do, they'll find a reason to whine. It's just a part of being in the FPS world. A lot of violent pricks that expect the most out of everything. When mom and dad doesn't give them what they want, they bitch and moan. If Valve doesn't do things how _they_ want it, they bitch and moan. Its just a vicious cycle. People need to get over it. On May 23, 2009, at 7:12 PM, matan nov wrote: They obviously devised the system for achievement_idle servers all along.Continue your whining. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: The most popular game mode in TF2. Chat/AFK. Last refresh I saw over 200 servers running achievement_idle and the number is increasing. All you do is join and minimize the game, get weapon drops as you stay afk... you can even stay as a spectator. PS: THANKS VALVE, THIS WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UNLOCKABLES. Now we don't even need to play the game to get the weapons.. and when I say we I actually mean everyone else because I got absolutely nothing since the second bonk on Thursday. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
It probably won't take too long until someone finds out how to give out weapons. Then everything will be fine :). On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:21 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: No matter what people do, they'll find a reason to whine. It's just a part of being in the FPS world. A lot of violent pricks that expect the most out of everything. When mom and dad doesn't give them what they want, they bitch and moan. If Valve doesn't do things how _they_ want it, they bitch and moan. Its just a vicious cycle. People need to get over it. On May 23, 2009, at 7:12 PM, matan nov wrote: They obviously devised the system for achievement_idle servers all along.Continue your whining. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: The most popular game mode in TF2. Chat/AFK. Last refresh I saw over 200 servers running achievement_idle and the number is increasing. All you do is join and minimize the game, get weapon drops as you stay afk... you can even stay as a spectator. PS: THANKS VALVE, THIS WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UNLOCKABLES. Now we don't even need to play the game to get the weapons.. and when I say we I actually mean everyone else because I got absolutely nothing since the second bonk on Thursday. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
I can only hope. On 24 May 2009, at 00:30, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: It probably won't take too long until someone finds out how to give out weapons. Then everything will be fine :). On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 7:21 PM, f0rkz h...@f0rkznet.net wrote: No matter what people do, they'll find a reason to whine. It's just a part of being in the FPS world. A lot of violent pricks that expect the most out of everything. When mom and dad doesn't give them what they want, they bitch and moan. If Valve doesn't do things how _they_ want it, they bitch and moan. Its just a vicious cycle. People need to get over it. On May 23, 2009, at 7:12 PM, matan nov wrote: They obviously devised the system for achievement_idle servers all along.Continue your whining. On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:00 AM, 1nsane 1nsane...@gmail.com wrote: The most popular game mode in TF2. Chat/AFK. Last refresh I saw over 200 servers running achievement_idle and the number is increasing. All you do is join and minimize the game, get weapon drops as you stay afk... you can even stay as a spectator. PS: THANKS VALVE, THIS WORKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN UNLOCKABLES. Now we don't even need to play the game to get the weapons.. and when I say we I actually mean everyone else because I got absolutely nothing since the second bonk on Thursday. On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds f0rkz f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
Dude they're gonna be like Pokemanz! I can't wait! :D -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
The real mistake is having the trading system out later (and we know what later mean to Valve), that's just make the system totally incomplete and frustrating for players. 2009/5/24 Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Dude they're gonna be like Pokemanz! I can't wait! :D -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
It would be a fine system if it: Had a constant probability of getting an item which would go up or down with certain actions, and then slowly come back down to a baseline (Similar to how crit probabilities are calculated with damage). Actions, for example: - Making it more likely when you are winning - Making it more likely qhen you top the scoreboard (with like 3+ players) - Making it more likely when you get MVP - Making it more likely when you've done a high amount of damage (like crit chances) - Making it more likely for the character that your playing - Making it less likely when you've already got an item, - Making it more when you get rows of kills and when dominating - Boost chance when you get an achievement, boost it even more if you have a certain number of achievements, (well maybe not this!!! since this is what valve were tyring to take away!) - Decrease chances for every bot on the server!!! (even completly) - Increases with the length of time that you play - Increases depending on how long you've had the game - and base it on previous stats! Valve must store these somewhere. This system could be amasing, but it needs *a bit* of work. Kind Regards, Phil 2009/5/23 Flubber flub...@gmail.com The real mistake is having the trading system out later (and we know what later mean to Valve), that's just make the system totally incomplete and frustrating for players. 2009/5/24 Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Dude they're gonna be like Pokemanz! I can't wait! :D -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
p.s. Loving the hats!! ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] BAN Spy Scripts Anyone?
lol that would be nice! 2009/5/23 Arg! chillic...@gmail.com That makes sense. I wonder if i could hook wait in sourcemod and make it wait for 10 minutes. Thatd confuse em. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
I think I'm at a disadvantage though, since I reset my stats, so my time is lower. From what I've heard, people who have longer playtime are getting items more often. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Philip Bembridge Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 10:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops It would be a fine system if it: Had a constant probability of getting an item which would go up or down with certain actions, and then slowly come back down to a baseline (Similar to how crit probabilities are calculated with damage). Actions, for example: - Making it more likely when you are winning - Making it more likely qhen you top the scoreboard (with like 3+ players) - Making it more likely when you get MVP - Making it more likely when you've done a high amount of damage (like crit chances) - Making it more likely for the character that your playing - Making it less likely when you've already got an item, - Making it more when you get rows of kills and when dominating - Boost chance when you get an achievement, boost it even more if you have a certain number of achievements, (well maybe not this!!! since this is what valve were tyring to take away!) - Decrease chances for every bot on the server!!! (even completly) - Increases with the length of time that you play - Increases depending on how long you've had the game - and base it on previous stats! Valve must store these somewhere. This system could be amasing, but it needs *a bit* of work. Kind Regards, Phil 2009/5/23 Flubber flub...@gmail.com The real mistake is having the trading system out later (and we know what later mean to Valve), that's just make the system totally incomplete and frustrating for players. 2009/5/24 Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Dude they're gonna be like Pokemanz! I can't wait! :D -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops
I kinda doubt that. I have tons of hours and only gotten a few items. On 5/23/09, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I think I'm at a disadvantage though, since I reset my stats, so my time is lower. From what I've heard, people who have longer playtime are getting items more often. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Philip Bembridge Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2009 10:06 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] New Weapon Drops It would be a fine system if it: Had a constant probability of getting an item which would go up or down with certain actions, and then slowly come back down to a baseline (Similar to how crit probabilities are calculated with damage). Actions, for example: - Making it more likely when you are winning - Making it more likely qhen you top the scoreboard (with like 3+ players) - Making it more likely when you get MVP - Making it more likely when you've done a high amount of damage (like crit chances) - Making it more likely for the character that your playing - Making it less likely when you've already got an item, - Making it more when you get rows of kills and when dominating - Boost chance when you get an achievement, boost it even more if you have a certain number of achievements, (well maybe not this!!! since this is what valve were tyring to take away!) - Decrease chances for every bot on the server!!! (even completly) - Increases with the length of time that you play - Increases depending on how long you've had the game - and base it on previous stats! Valve must store these somewhere. This system could be amasing, but it needs *a bit* of work. Kind Regards, Phil 2009/5/23 Flubber flub...@gmail.com The real mistake is having the trading system out later (and we know what later mean to Valve), that's just make the system totally incomplete and frustrating for players. 2009/5/24 Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com Dude they're gonna be like Pokemanz! I can't wait! :D -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Yaakov Smith m4ngr...@gmail.com wrote: I got the razorback in 15 minutes, which was the last unlock I wanted. In the 3-4 hours since then, I got nothing at all. I hope valve implements the changes listed on their blog soon Real Time, not Valve Time. [ QUOTE ] Some of the next things we have planned are: - Item trading. This is why you're finding duplicates. - Giving players a method to influence the system so they can work directly toward getting specific items. - Adding more rare items like the hats. [ END QUOTE ] I definitely want the second one ASAP. I know someone who now has 7 sandviches. And yesterday, someone on the server I was playing unlocked the flare gun while they were spectating. What's an achievement_idle server? __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
