Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Yes, it's inaccurate. There's a metamod plugin that allows you to see the real usage (srcdsfpsboost). Regards, Jarno Ywa Veuger FPSB | Goerge wrote: what do you mean *Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage*.? You mean that that the unboosted reported cpu usage is inaccurate? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
The timer in windows that tracks CPU usage is pretty lousy. This means you're seeing false CPU usage from your servers. They're only fooling themselves if they think full 32 TF2 will only use 5% of one of their cores. When windows media player is running, a multimedia timer is started for WMP. Because a multimedia timer is running with a fine grained precision of latency, task manager will start using that that high precision timer for CPU usage tracking. This also seems to help srcds to be able to run at a higher FPS. By enabling it, we see a typically truer representation of CPU usage. The technical way to think about it is that CPU utilization is done using a low precision timer which checks which process has the CPU at that given moment in time. (for example, every millisecond)srcds has a tendency to not be using the processor at that given moment, probably due to the dynamics of srcds doing most of its work on the tick. This effect is known as aliasing. (See Aliasing in wikipedia) The multimedia timer created by WMP or srcdsfpsbooster increases the sample frequency of the system, thus giving a better picture of utilization. Ben B wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
If this is a dual quad core machine and your using taskmanager to determine the CPU% then that may be right as what you actually seeing is 8 * 5 so 40% of a core, add to that using a low frequency kernel on a modern CPU and its possible that may be correct. On a high frequency kernel 2.4Ghz Intel Core 2 for a full 32 player TF2 server you'll be looking at an average of 60-65% of a single core, spiking up to ~90% fairly regularly though. Regards Steve - Original Message - From: Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
I forgot about that. My 24 slotters spike around 40-60% of a core when full on my C2Q 9650 (3.0ghz) with hirestimer/fpsboost. With two of them I get about 20-30% total utilization when none of my other servers are going. (10-13% total per server spiking to 15% occasionally.) So if he's saying it's 5% per core he's wrong...if he's saying it's 5% total utilization he's also wrong unless his server is always empty. ;) Makes me all On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Steven Hartland kill...@multiplay.co.ukwrote: If this is a dual quad core machine and your using taskmanager to determine the CPU% then that may be right as what you actually seeing is 8 * 5 so 40% of a core, add to that using a low frequency kernel on a modern CPU and its possible that may be correct. On a high frequency kernel 2.4Ghz Intel Core 2 for a full 32 player TF2 server you'll be looking at an average of 60-65% of a single core, spiking up to ~90% fairly regularly though. Regards Steve - Original Message - From: Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmas...@multiplay.co.uk. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
[hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Thats odd, my clans server uses 100% of the one core its on. Not sure our exact specs though. Oh, and were only 24 slots. Ben B wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4063 (20090508) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4063 (20090508) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Windows timer is lazy. Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage. On 5/8/09, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Easy: They are retarded or they run their servers at 1 FPS unboosted. Boosted CPU Usage: http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8375/cpu.png (fps_max 0) Unboosted CPU Usage: http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1328/unboosted.png (fps_max 0) On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Here is linux 26 slots; http://www.specialattack.net/downloads/load.png -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of 1nsane Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 12:45 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage Easy: They are retarded or they run their servers at 1 FPS unboosted. Boosted CPU Usage: http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8375/cpu.png (fps_max 0) Unboosted CPU Usage: http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1328/unboosted.png (fps_max 0) On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.21/2102 - Release Date: 05/08/09 11:43:00 ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
what do you mean *Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage*.? You mean that that the unboosted reported cpu usage is inaccurate? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Windows timer is lazy. Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage. On 5/8/09, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
In order for the game engine to run faster than 60fps you need to run a fps boost tool, or other method to put the windows server into a state where it will process faster. Essentially people who are seeing low CPU utilization are running their servers at 60fps, what some are referring to as unboosted, which frankly is probably just fine for a 32 slot pub. I think the problem with those who are using 100% of a cpu are are likely trying to run 1000fps servers, which is overkill for a large pub server. FPSB | Goerge wrote: what do you mean *Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage*.? You mean that that the unboosted reported cpu usage is inaccurate? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Windows timer is lazy. Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage. On 5/8/09, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Windows TF2 CPU Core Usage
Actually it also gives a false CPU usage. Seeing as the server will use 0% utilization with under like 15 players. It's just because the timer is lazy. I've tried limiting FPS and it doesn't change CPU usage whatsoever from 1000fps down to 20 fpswell maybe a little but it's not really noticeable. You'll still crank out the box if you put too many slots on it. Doesn't matter whether it's running or not, you'll see a performance hit either way. It'll just seem like the box is okay, but the server FPS will be at like 10 FPS and you'll wonder why since the CPU usage will be like 15% :P On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Midnight mido...@gmail.com wrote: In order for the game engine to run faster than 60fps you need to run a fps boost tool, or other method to put the windows server into a state where it will process faster. Essentially people who are seeing low CPU utilization are running their servers at 60fps, what some are referring to as unboosted, which frankly is probably just fine for a 32 slot pub. I think the problem with those who are using 100% of a cpu are are likely trying to run 1000fps servers, which is overkill for a large pub server. FPSB | Goerge wrote: what do you mean *Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage*.? You mean that that the unboosted reported cpu usage is inaccurate? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Windows timer is lazy. Run windows media player or srcdsfpsboost in the background and see actual usage. On 5/8/09, Ben B d3_brutal...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed a few people insisting that a full 32 slot tf2 server will only use at most 5% of a cpu core. How is this possible I use linux servers, and they always use 60-80% when 32 slots are full? Is there something terribly wrong with the linux version, or is something wrong in the way they're interpreting their usage? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sent from my mobile device ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
