Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve abandoned VAC a long time ago... GGH4X --Zack Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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If you read it a little better, I'm talking about VAC2 not VAC1 for CS 1.6. [DMA]RocketUSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve abandoned VAC a long time ago... GGH4X --Zack Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We should be using this mailing list to compare notes on what measures we all take against cheaters, and how many cheaters, specific servers seem to get. For example if we have someone here who seems to get a lot of cheaters, we can try different things to combat it, take notes on what works and share that info with this mailing list. It would go a much farther way towards cleaning up servers than the united admins idea. I personally don't see much of any cheating on two different cs:s servers we have at thegamerplanet.com http://thegamerplanet.com 69.93.245.8:27016 http://69.93.245.8:27016 no awp/auto 69.93.245.8:27017 http://69.93.245.8:27017 no restrictions They use the cal source plug in (to alleviate some issues before they start) Steambans (for quick short bans) Beetlefarts (despite others thinking its a waste, if it catches even one it's worth it to me) Vac2 (for long term bans) Constant admin prescence There is also matties event scripts which can do many things to combat issues like rate glitches or annoying players that constantly tk for fun. On 10/4/05, [DMA]RocketUSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you read it a little better, I'm talking about VAC2 not VAC1 for CS 1.6 . [DMA]RocketUSA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 1:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Valve abandoned VAC a long time ago... GGH4X --Zack Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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And lets not forget, how many of you even configure your servers against hackers in the first place? There are limits you can set, and cvars you can protect to stop alot of tom foolery. the thing that will really catch hackers out is using the tools that ALREADY exist but are NEVER used to defeat them. Everyone installing Mani (i) stopped a few hackers for a short time, then the cvars were re-named, surprise surprise, now it's just wasted bandwidth. Programmatically enumerating the available, or readable cvars might work much better, but who can be arsed with pushing that from the server side? How long would it really last? With quantumn computing just around the corner, per pixel/sample match cheats are going to come back - big time. ALL of your old solutions WILL then fail, as the offending program won't need to run on the same machine, and it will generate human-like input. The reality is this is probably a decade from the client desktop, but the PoC will be available sometime in the next year. Developers need to start thinking carefully about how much data they supply to the client, as a reduction of this is the only real way to solve the problem. A simple example for the unititiated so I don't get flamed by philistines over the above - if the client does not know about a target behind an occlusion, the cheat will not fire at it. If you think cheating is a complex issue today, I suggest you retire tomorrow, because next week it's going to turn into a whole new game. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we tried a global ban list before. the resulting mess was immediate. every ass bite clan with a grudge against some other ass bite clan entered the enemy steam id's in the global ban list. It will not work. ever. the cheat authors get some sort of perverted sexual satisfaction out of pissing off thousands of people. they will never stop until they are dead or freaking finally grow up. (please do kill cheat authors if you find them! better you get the chair than me...) If you can not handle the cheat users then make your servers private. Possibly subscription based. otherwise just get out of the business and do something else. take for instance even balance (punkbuster). They convinced the stupid suits at the major commercial game companies they had the solution to cheats. they prepare a release of pb for when the game is released. then they move to the next project and forget the last one. It takes the cheat authors about 10 minutes to have a new version out undetectable by pb. since pb is never, ever, updated after the first release with a new game the new cheats are never detected. sort of like how as long as there are people who buy virus prevention software then the virus software companies will keep creating new viruses. virus companies like norton/symantic, etc. BIG MONEY it is just as crappy and dishonest as politics. It is not worth your stress and frustration. better to grow up and walk away. you want the rush from combat? get into scenario paintball. check this vid: http://www.specialopspaintball.com/movies/battleofbower2.mov i love my new Mark 30 landmine: http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/prodimages/6110002a.jpg and i love my BT16 Tactical Marker: http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/5023680/BT16-Tactical.jpg It's a real rush folks. The D-Day event next year should draw over 4,000 players. Check waynes-world.com for some upcoming events. Check http://www.ragtopvideo.com/wwvideos/wwvideos.html for vids and pics of past events. puts video games to shame. Hopefully this useless and hopeless thread will finally be put to sleep as well. L8R heroes! Original Message Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, October 02, 2005 10:35 am To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com to all who insult this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Inaccurate about pb, they do on occasion update. BF1 used to get updated every few months, and BF2 detection has been updated at least 4 times that I can recall since it's release in June.. it may even be more then that I've not played in the last few weeks, but I've had to update manually at least 4 times. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:06 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! take for instance even balance (punkbuster). They convinced the stupid suits at the major commercial game companies they had the solution to cheats. they prepare a release of pb for when the game is released. then they move to the next project and forget the last one. It takes the cheat authors about 10 minutes to have a new version out undetectable by pb. since pb is never, ever, updated after the first release with a new game the new cheats are never detected. sort of like how as long as there are people who buy virus prevention software then the virus software companies will keep creating new viruses. virus companies like norton/symantic, etc. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well in all this, WHAT ABOUT CS 1.6? I've seen log files from other admins that are friends of mine for CS:S that shows it's banning (granted delayed, but banning). But still the promise of VAC2 for 1.6 is STILL null and void so far as I can see. Granted we get a nice little screen on the loading that it's VAC2 secured, but, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY. I'm always scanning my log files to see any reference to VAC and all I get is common chatter about it but NO ACTIONS. So with this I must assume that Valve has abandoned any type of VAC2 detection for CS:1.6. And if they have abandoned it, PLEASE TELL US! RocketUSA ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Well nothing wrong with it I guess if you have a good way to moderate the way its working.And a good close monitor on admin abuse/complaints. BUT.. you can apply to have your server host us, or apply to become a league admin. So you mean to tell me if you supply a server you are not automatically an admin in every server in the community?Hummm.Kinda defeats the purpose.Even though I wouldn't let anyone I don't know run my servers for me I do think with proper planning ect,this idea has merit.The only downside I see is when alot of people start abusing,following people from server to server simply because they do not like them or dumb admins.With 10-20 servers I see it working.But from 50-100 I think it would fall apart.But time will tell and once it gets up and rolling an has been up for a year or so I'll make a decision then. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com - Original Message - From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] The LoA has a forum. http://cssadmins.jsyte.com even if you do not support this movement, I don't believe that the HLDS mailing board is the proper place to argue, take up any issues with our staff there. If you do support the movement, you can apply to have your server host us, or apply to become a league admin. Thanks to all who helped, Zack Doherty ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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to all who insult this. I personally wouldn't let them be admin on my servers I emailed zach and let him know that but I figured it would be a good idea to setup a global ban list by this for hackers. And emailed him that. He agreed and we are now going to be doing that. I run 3 servers with a co owners running 2 more. I dare not allow people that much power on them without me knowing. But at the same time I would like to setup a global ban system so that there is less need for admins 24/7 and more communication between the hosting groups. I have setup a ftp site where people can upload their banlists I am willing to help cordinate this. If interested xfire or aim me at sprout1 for xfire sprout1142 for aim. or email me back at my own email address not here and if you have to flame me go for it feel free but do it to my personal address not this cause this its just gay to flame people [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks for reading this if you are this far - Original Message - From: [GS]BeNt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! Well nothing wrong with it I guess if you have a good way to moderate the way its working.And a good close monitor on admin abuse/complaints. BUT.. you can apply to have your server host us, or apply to become a league admin. So you mean to tell me if you supply a server you are not automatically an admin in every server in the community?Hummm.Kinda defeats the purpose.Even though I wouldn't let anyone I don't know run my servers for me I do think with proper planning ect,this idea has merit.The only downside I see is when alot of people start abusing,following people from server to server simply because they do not like them or dumb admins.With 10-20 servers I see it working.But from 50-100 I think it would fall apart.But time will tell and once it gets up and rolling an has been up for a year or so I'll make a decision then. BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com - Original Message - From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] The LoA has a forum. http://cssadmins.jsyte.com even if you do not support this movement, I don't believe that the HLDS mailing board is the proper place to argue, take up any issues with our staff there. If you do support the movement, you can apply to have your server host us, or apply to become a league admin. Thanks to all who helped, Zack Doherty ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
we tried a global ban list before. the resulting mess was immediate. every ass bite clan with a grudge against some other ass bite clan entered the enemy steam id's in the global ban list. It will not work. ever. the cheat authors get some sort of perverted sexual satisfaction out of pissing off thousands of people. they will never stop until they are dead or freaking finally grow up. (please do kill cheat authors if you find them! better you get the chair than me...) If you can not handle the cheat users then make your servers private. Possibly subscription based. otherwise just get out of the business and do something else. take for instance even balance (punkbuster). They convinced the stupid suits at the major commercial game companies they had the solution to cheats. they prepare a release of pb for when the game is released. then they move to the next project and forget the last one. It takes the cheat authors about 10 minutes to have a new version out undetectable by pb. since pb is never, ever, updated after the first release with a new game the new cheats are never detected. sort of like how as long as there are people who buy virus prevention software then the virus software companies will keep creating new viruses. virus companies like norton/symantic, etc. BIG MONEY it is just as crappy and dishonest as politics. It is not worth your stress and frustration. better to grow up and walk away. you want the rush from combat? get into scenario paintball. check this vid: http://www.specialopspaintball.com/movies/battleofbower2.mov i love my new Mark 30 landmine: http://www.specialopspaintball.com/shop/prodimages/6110002a.jpg and i love my BT16 Tactical Marker: http://imagescommerce.bcentral.com/merchantfiles/5023680/BT16-Tactical.jpg It's a real rush folks. The D-Day event next year should draw over 4,000 players. Check waynes-world.com for some upcoming events. Check http://www.ragtopvideo.com/wwvideos/wwvideos.html for vids and pics of past events. puts video games to shame. Hopefully this useless and hopeless thread will finally be put to sleep as well. L8R heroes! Original Message Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: sprout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, October 02, 2005 10:35 am To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com to all who insult this. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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This really isn't the place for this discussion, but since it's being pushed on all of us... Not to be rude but these ideas are not original, we've done this before. As someone else pointed out, the cheating problem isn't going away anytime soon. As long as people want to cheat they'll find some way to do it. You need very watchful admins to do any good. You only get those kind of admins through trial and error and getting to know them over extended periods of time. Which is why everyone is telling you that asking anyone/everyone to sign-up for admin in your league is certain to become more problematic than the cheaters themselves. In other words, it's a bad idea. One that's come and gone before. Good luck anyway though. -The Joint Chief AKA Stoned Smurf ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] The LoA has a forum. http://cssadmins.jsyte.com even if you do not support this movement, I don't believe that the HLDS mailing board is the proper place to argue, take up any issues with our staff there. If you do support the movement, you can apply to have your server host us, or apply to become a league admin. Thanks to all who helped, Zack Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Can you introduce your self a little? Age, location, personal status? If you want trust, you got to give. Another thing; you don't think hackers infiltrate such organizations pretty quick if they actually think you will oppose a threat? You got to have a solid backbone in such a system (aka administration tools). I use http://www.checkyour6.net/index.php?cat=toolssub=phpadmin to centrally manage my admins and bans. It will also log admin activity. All web-based. This is just a suggestion so you see what kind of tools I mean. Good initiative, but I seen this before... its like a woman's period... it comes and goes... ;) best regards, Alexander ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I am not an admin, nor do I have any administration experience. However, if you are offering an opportunity to get involved in a community, help others out and to learn something new, I'm interested. I play Counter-Strike: Source mostly. If you have CS:S servers, let me know their IPs. -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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I think you are pushing the use of this list too far. No offence. Do the planning and set up the system, then advertise it with a well informative mail. Just my thoughts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty Sent: 30. september 2005 12:34 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Now I must ask, who are the ones who are willing to become Global admins. The ones who are willing to prowl the CS:S Servers and keep them safe. I have already been told by quite a few servers that they are willing to allow this. But I can't help them yet. If you are willing to be an admin on a number of servers. Email me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'll give you details on where to go from there. Regards, Zack Doherty ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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that right there is asking for trouble.. just out asking.. who wants to be
admin for all these servers which are planed to become exelent servers.. thats
like asking a group of kids if they want candy, and then telling them to take
as much as they want. and thats just asking for bad admins, which will make the
community fall faster then hackers.. you have to have some sort of a community
in place already, and give admin to those who deserve it.. and start off with
admin on like one server.. and if they do well there, make it global.
but i as well am trying to start up some kind of community. i run 2 servers
right now, and im trying to start up some sort of a GSP... so maybe if you want
to conjoin a little i guess... email me off this list with your thoughts.
skel
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To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 5:34 AM
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Now I must ask, who are the ones who are willing to become Global admins.
The ones who are willing
to prowl the CS:S Servers and keep them safe. I have already been told by
quite a few servers that they
are willing to allow this. But I can't help them yet. If you are willing to
be an admin on a number of servers.
Email me offlist, [EMAIL PROTECTED], I'll give you details on where to
go from there.
Regards,
Zack Doherty
On 9/29/05, Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wouldn't call it doomsday, and this is not for me. I already have asked
2 server farms(working on third) and they both said that they would be
willing to commision the idea on their servers. PCGamers is enstating more
admins(however many join the movement) onto their severs. I am not trying to
help myself, but I am trying to help the community. If you have a server, I
would really appreciate it if you joined the effort to fight off hackers.
On 9/29/05, K2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zach, have you ever thought of trying to build up your server community,
'hire' on some regs to act as admins so that you have some type of admin
presence during the times that people play? I don't have problems with
hackers on my servers - when source first went gold and the hacks
started to
come about, yeah we had a rash of hacking going on. We had it under
control
in about a week. Anyone we missed, at least one or two players would
make a
demo or at the very least get a steamid and sent it our way (we had
delayed
ban well before Valve/VAC ever did ;-) ). Now? We might see the
occasional
hack once or twice a month or so. And it's dealt with *swiftly*
You idea has validity, but really, all it sounds like is that you're
under-staffed. If you wanna bring in complete strangers and allow then
admin
permissions to your game instances, more power to ya. But I'd rather
hand
that out to die-hard regs that I actually get to know first and know
that
they're in it for the good of the community they play with. Making it
sound
like doomsday has befallen us, heh... I just don't see it.
- K2
http://www.hardfought.org
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[mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:08 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
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league
of admins, so to speak. These admins would be given all powers on all
servers that agree to host us. This would give the nonHackers the
upperhand
on many servers, 2 server farms have agreed with me on this. I simply
cannot
do it all alone. If there are people who are willing to spend time to
bring
CounterStrike back to life, to breath life into a dying game, I'm sure
there
will be many servers that will back you once they catch on to our plan.
So
please, donate some time, save a virtual life or two. Just pitch in,
become
admin, and make Counter Strikes many servers safer.
On 9/29/05, Alex Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is
pretty honour based as for as hits go)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are
referees everywhere.
And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back!
;-)
And it will force you to stay in shape too.
I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC,
paying for dedicated hosts, etc.
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Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm
The most played online mod
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] OK. What do you plan to do exactly? Go to the hackers house and slap them on the face? On 9/29/05, Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Counter Strike, The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. Now, Is the time. Join the cause! E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My goal is to be able to create servers that are safe for the people who want to have fun, but not at other's expence. If you would like to donate hosting, become an admin, or help out in any other way please send me an email offlist -- Sincerely, Zachary Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are referees everywhere. And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back! ;-) And it will force you to stay in shape too. I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC, paying for dedicated hosts, etc. Original Message Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is pretty honour based as for as hits go) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are referees everywhere. And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back! ;-) And it will force you to stay in shape too. I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC, paying for dedicated hosts, etc. Original Message Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My plan is to form a league of admins, so to speak. These admins would be given all powers on all servers that agree to host us. This would give the nonHackers the upperhand on many servers, 2 server farms have agreed with me on this. I simply cannot do it all alone. If there are people who are willing to spend time to bring CounterStrike back to life, to breath life into a dying game, I'm sure there will be many servers that will back you once they catch on to our plan. So please, donate some time, save a virtual life or two. Just pitch in, become admin, and make Counter Strikes many servers safer. On 9/29/05, Alex Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is pretty honour based as for as hits go) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are referees everywhere. And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back! ;-) And it will force you to stay in shape too. I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC, paying for dedicated hosts, etc. Original Message Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sincerely, Zachary Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
Zach, have you ever thought of trying to build up your server community, 'hire' on some regs to act as admins so that you have some type of admin presence during the times that people play? I don't have problems with hackers on my servers - when source first went gold and the hacks started to come about, yeah we had a rash of hacking going on. We had it under control in about a week. Anyone we missed, at least one or two players would make a demo or at the very least get a steamid and sent it our way (we had delayed ban well before Valve/VAC ever did ;-) ). Now? We might see the occasional hack once or twice a month or so. And it's dealt with *swiftly* You idea has validity, but really, all it sounds like is that you're under-staffed. If you wanna bring in complete strangers and allow then admin permissions to your game instances, more power to ya. But I'd rather hand that out to die-hard regs that I actually get to know first and know that they're in it for the good of the community they play with. Making it sound like doomsday has befallen us, heh... I just don't see it. - K2 http://www.hardfought.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My plan is to form a league of admins, so to speak. These admins would be given all powers on all servers that agree to host us. This would give the nonHackers the upperhand on many servers, 2 server farms have agreed with me on this. I simply cannot do it all alone. If there are people who are willing to spend time to bring CounterStrike back to life, to breath life into a dying game, I'm sure there will be many servers that will back you once they catch on to our plan. So please, donate some time, save a virtual life or two. Just pitch in, become admin, and make Counter Strikes many servers safer. On 9/29/05, Alex Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is pretty honour based as for as hits go) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are referees everywhere. And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back! ;-) And it will force you to stay in shape too. I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC, paying for dedicated hosts, etc. Original Message Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sincerely, Zachary Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I wouldn't call it doomsday, and this is not for me. I already have asked 2 server farms(working on third) and they both said that they would be willing to commision the idea on their servers. PCGamers is enstating more admins(however many join the movement) onto their severs. I am not trying to help myself, but I am trying to help the community. If you have a server, I would really appreciate it if you joined the effort to fight off hackers. On 9/29/05, K2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zach, have you ever thought of trying to build up your server community, 'hire' on some regs to act as admins so that you have some type of admin presence during the times that people play? I don't have problems with hackers on my servers - when source first went gold and the hacks started to come about, yeah we had a rash of hacking going on. We had it under control in about a week. Anyone we missed, at least one or two players would make a demo or at the very least get a steamid and sent it our way (we had delayed ban well before Valve/VAC ever did ;-) ). Now? We might see the occasional hack once or twice a month or so. And it's dealt with *swiftly* You idea has validity, but really, all it sounds like is that you're under-staffed. If you wanna bring in complete strangers and allow then admin permissions to your game instances, more power to ya. But I'd rather hand that out to die-hard regs that I actually get to know first and know that they're in it for the good of the community they play with. Making it sound like doomsday has befallen us, heh... I just don't see it. - K2 http://www.hardfought.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:08 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My plan is to form a league of admins, so to speak. These admins would be given all powers on all servers that agree to host us. This would give the nonHackers the upperhand on many servers, 2 server farms have agreed with me on this. I simply cannot do it all alone. If there are people who are willing to spend time to bring CounterStrike back to life, to breath life into a dying game, I'm sure there will be many servers that will back you once they catch on to our plan. So please, donate some time, save a virtual life or two. Just pitch in, become admin, and make Counter Strikes many servers safer. On 9/29/05, Alex Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is pretty honour based as for as hits go) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are referees everywhere. And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back! ;-) And it will force you to stay in shape too. I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC, paying for dedicated hosts, etc. Original Message Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms! From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that its also the most hacked game, EVER. It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it has fallen into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to control servers. Well, it seems that individuals are not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts, and rCons. It was our job to protect the servers, and we clearly have not been doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist! This is the call for all of the CS:S and CS Admins to rally to fight off this menace! I know this may seem a little off topic for this list, but hey! We are the hosts, admins, and the players. It's time for us to rise up and fight off the pestilence that has manifested within our ranks. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sincerely, Zachary Doherty -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Sincerely
Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
--
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I feel the same as k2, giving strangers admin on my servers just doesn't
seem like a good way to help alleviate hacking. I am pretty strict on my
admins, first off I have to know them and they must be part of the community
I belong too, then they have to spend time on the server following and
helping with rules, then they get a trial time. If they don't spend a decent
amount of time on the server they get cut so more dedicated people can join.
It sounds harsh but it works, we have a great admin prescence and little to
no hackers. I think the big problem with most servers is they allow friends
and friends of friends to become admins, those people lose interest or
barely play and are never removed or replaced.
Anyone can be given admin rights but not everyone can be an admin. If you
could form some kind of Admin community to where we could all get to know
each other I would be more open to something like this.
My humble two cents.
On 9/29/05, Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
I wouldn't call it doomsday, and this is not for me. I already have asked
2
server farms(working on third) and they both said that they would be
willing
to commision the idea on their servers. PCGamers is enstating more
admins(however many join the movement) onto their severs. I am not trying
to
help myself, but I am trying to help the community. If you have a server,
I
would really appreciate it if you joined the effort to fight off hackers.
On 9/29/05, K2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Zach, have you ever thought of trying to build up your server community,
'hire' on some regs to act as admins so that you have some type of admin
presence during the times that people play? I don't have problems with
hackers on my servers - when source first went gold and the hacks
started
to
come about, yeah we had a rash of hacking going on. We had it under
control
in about a week. Anyone we missed, at least one or two players would
make
a
demo or at the very least get a steamid and sent it our way (we had
delayed
ban well before Valve/VAC ever did ;-) ). Now? We might see the
occasional
hack once or twice a month or so. And it's dealt with *swiftly*
You idea has validity, but really, all it sounds like is that you're
under-staffed. If you wanna bring in complete strangers and allow then
admin
permissions to your game instances, more power to ya. But I'd rather
hand
that out to die-hard regs that I actually get to know first and know
that
they're in it for the good of the community they play with. Making it
sound
like doomsday has befallen us, heh... I just don't see it.
- K2
http://www.hardfought.org
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Doherty
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:08 PM
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
--
[ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] My plan is to form a
league
of admins, so to speak. These admins would be given all powers on all
servers that agree to host us. This would give the nonHackers the
upperhand
on many servers, 2 server farms have agreed with me on this. I simply
cannot
do it all alone. If there are people who are willing to spend time to
bring
CounterStrike back to life, to breath life into a dying game, I'm sure
there
will be many servers that will back you once they catch on to our plan.
So
please, donate some time, save a virtual life or two. Just pitch in,
become
admin, and make Counter Strikes many servers safer.
On 9/29/05, Alex Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or airsoft, pretty similar, but more realistic guns (unfortunately, is
pretty honour based as for as hits go)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try scenario paintball. Not much chance for cheating since there are
referees everywhere.
And it is so much more realistic when your opponents CAN shoot back!
;-)
And it will force you to stay in shape too.
I would say it is about equal in expense to a high quality game PC,
paying for dedicated hosts, etc.
Original Message
Subject: [hlds] CS:S Admins, a call to arms!
From: Zachary Doherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, September 29, 2005 1:50 pm
The most played online mod, EVER. And, I think its safe to say that
its
also
the most hacked game, EVER.
It's now the time to save this game from the dark pit of which it
has
fallen
into. Valve made Half-Life and placed trust in individuals to
control servers. Well, it seems that individuals
are
not enough. This is a call to arms for all CS:S Admins and Hosts,
and rCons. It was our job to protect the
servers,
and we clearly have not been
doing our job. Now, even hacker-friendly servers exist
