Re: [HOT] Website Feature Requests

[Katie Filbert]

On Mar 5, 2014 8:24 AM, "Kate Chapman"  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Where should these be logged? Is this the right place?
> https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website
>
> I was thinking we should have some sort of calendar.

Github issues is where I would look to find things to do.

Katie

>
> Thanks,
>
> -Kate
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[HOT] Website Feature Requests

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

Where should these be logged? Is this the right place?
https://github.com/hotosm/hotosm-website

I was thinking we should have some sort of calendar.

Thanks,

-Kate

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[HOT] USAID's Development Innovation Ventures - Letter of Interest (Due April 15th)

[Kate Chapman]

Hi All,

USAID has funding titled "Development Innovation Ventures" the program
focuses on innovation and cost-effectiveness. There are opportunities
for both scaling and funding new work. The first step is to write a
Letter of Interest (LOI)

Funds for NGOs has a good write-up about the program(1) and how/why to
apply. The application link is here(2). I think brainstorming some
ideas is a good first step though.

Best,

-Kate

(1) 
http://www.fundsforngos.org/free-resources-for-ngos/usaids-development-innovation-ventures-funding-works/
(2) http://www.usaid.gov/div/apply/how-to

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[HOT] Proposition HOT Monthly Cooking

[Pierre Béland]

The weekly irc discussion for Mali Activation, last year, was a very dynamic 
meeting where both HOT contributors, developpers and humanitarians for Mali 
gathered. This is this way that Nicolas proposed and developped an Imagery 
Crowdsourcing tool  called Kuona to locate villages in semi-desertic or flooded 
zones. Others proposed ways to analyze this data of populated places with the 
OSM highway database, etc.  We also had discussions with field people on how to 
better identify important infrastructures.

Activities that let gather, be innovative, dynamice can be both fun and 
productive. With the new Mumble Server that Andrew Buck has proposed, it would 
be interesting to restart such an initiative. We could again invite people from 
various horizons. As a start this could be once a month.  This would be also 
one way to assure that various projects such as the Highway tagging schema 
continue to advance.


And a proposition of an name to identify such session : HOT Monthly Cooking !

 
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Re: [HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Do you have hands-on experience flying UAVs & quadcopters?

[FOFANA BAZO BAGNOUMANA]

je me présente, je suis Fofana Bazo du Burkina Faso, j'ai découvert
récemment opNenstreetmap lors d'une mission en juillet 2013 conduite par
Nicolas Chavent et Alexandra Enache au Burkina Faso et depuis lors je me
suis intéressé à openstreetmap. Il faut dire, que je suis géographe en
année de master et dans la recherche de données pour effectuer mes travaux,
je manquaient souvent de sources, et depuis que j'ai découvert OSM, j'y ai
trouver des fichiers de types shapefiles ESRI exploitables dans d'autres
logiciels SIGs comme QGIS. Il faut dire aussi que j'ai beaucoup été surpris
par la bonne précision des données que l'on peut trouver sur OSM. En
décembre 2013, j'ai participé à Dakar à la traduction du learn osm. Et
actuellement je suis au Burkina et je continu toujours de travailler sur
openstreetmap.
je suis émerveille de voir que les discussions tourne autour de
l'acquisition de l'imagerie et surtout de cartographie de crises cela
montre à quel point l'intérêt est grand pour ces genres de projets. la base
de la cartographie de crise est sans doute l'acquisition d'imagerie de
bonne résolution. Et voir qu'il y a au sein de ce groupe des personnes
qualifiées dans l'usage des drones, est  d'une utilité pratique.
merci à vous


2014-03-04 17:33 GMT+00:00 nicolas chavent :

> Hi all,
> Sorry for the double_emailing for those of you who are subscribed to
> crisis_mappers, but here's a thread which is of interest for us and surely
> a topic that deserved our attention. To be tied to Imagery, with perhaps a
> working group Imagery/Drone ?
> Best,
> Nico
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: nicolas chavent 
> Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Do you have hands-on experience flying UAVs &
> quadcopters?
> To: crisismappers 
> Cc: Patrick Meier , Frederic Moine <
> frmo...@gmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Andrew, Patrick and all,
>
> Thanks for intervening in this thread, all credits/ expertise on this UAV
> experiment got to Fred Moine who had been organizing as an individual
> (outside of the USAID>OTI>HRI_funded mapping project (CAP_103) HOT designed
> and implemented with local Haitian OSM Ggroups and Individuals (COSMHA,
> COSMHA-STM) in Norther Haiti working closely with HRI, and (for our great
> pleasur you and other from USAID, Chad, Shadrocks). I had not been possible
> to include the UAV component in the funded activities of the USAID>OTI>HRI
> funded_supported mapping projects CAP_103. HOT was not in a position at
> that time to operate UAV since the policy around this cutting_edge and new
> technique for high_res imagery collection was at its early edges and in the
> making; uncertainty linked to the liability of the organization (flying/
> producs) being an area where the bases of knowledge was not mature/firm
> enough for engaging he Organization.
>
> Really,  Frederic Moine, humble, low profile, hard_worker and tenacious
> (with CERN right now and is associated as a volunteeras, in France with
> CartONG , a leading GIS/Mapping NGO in France,
> tenacious has been behind the use of UAV in Haiti mostly in coordination
> with IOM and for one mission (the Association Drone Adventures DA). Fred
> has worked in real conditions in the immediate aftermath of Trop Storm
> Sandy in Haiti/PAP ("Rivière Grise" area), he had also operated with DA and
> IOM and individuals from local OSM Groups in Haiti in North and Northern
> Haiti in Prepardness/Prevention activities. Mapping involving UAV is still
> on-going. The last pres from Fred, I can recall was at UNOSAT/JRC workshop
> in Geneva 
> [workshop]
> where he presented his astonishing work. I let Fred adding to this thread.
>
> At Patrick, looking forward to reading your pieces once you will have
> digested all inputs, what form are you planning to use : blog posts, white
> papers and/or project documents. Also given the fact that this is really a
> new but necessary and promising area of work for Hum/Dev actors, it would
> be great if you can give us more details about what it is that you are
> after. It may also the occasion for practitioners involved in this forum to
> collectively list key_up_to_date resources, projects and goods/bads as well
> as dos/dont.
>
> Happy to read about your engagement in UAV Patrick as well as the answers
> you are getting wich seem the right level of interest for this technique
> which will soon be a classic_simple data collection tool within the tool
> box of IM/GIS folks of the Hum/Dev
>
> Best to all,
> Nico
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Andrew W  wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick (and all)
>>
>> The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team used some imagery from a drone
>> provided by a new drone imagery company as part of a USAID/OTI project in
>> Northern Haiti, I think they might have flown it together with the company.
>> Fred Moine, Severin Menard or

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[nicolas chavent]

Bienvenue Vincent !

To keep this thread about Tag classification in Western Africa [trunk]
comprehensive of all contributions, I pasted in Will's view which I equally
support.

I like Will's comment about the dynamic at play here and the fact that more
and more trunks are under construction in this area of the world; this has
been massive in SN, over the last 10 years for example.

trunk is needed and I like your definition Vincent which is straight and
comes with metrics easy to figure out.

Nico

-- Forwarded message --
From: Will Skora 
Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:22 PM
Subject: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa"
standards
To: hot@openstreetmap.org
Cc: Augustin Doury 


 Hi Vincent,

Welcome :)

I honestly don't recall why trunk roads were not included in the
highway Africa tags page. As Mikel noted, these standards are elastic
and subject to change. You brought up some good points.

I do recall that when I first started mapping in Western Africa that
the main routes (such as the one from Dakar to St. Louis and N1 in
Senegal, were a mix of trunk and primary).

Regarding the absence of motorways in the guide, it was likely that because
that motorway (whose name escapes me) from Dakar to Rufisique is the
one of the very few motorways (I've been on it myself during HOT's
project in Senegal, June '12) in western AFR, it wasn't included in
the highway standard and there's very few others in AFR.
Perhaps, we should include it into the HIghway Africa Tags since they
are increasingly being built there.

On a related note, highway=trunk isn't included in the HDM Preset and
I'm not sure why.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset -
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2013-06-07_humanitarian_data_model_redux
Thoughts?



On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Mamadou bassirou THIAM <
m.bassirou.th...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> +1 For your trunck definition suggestion
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Vincent Dawans  wrote:
>
>>  Mamadou:
>>
>> Good to know Senegal is on task!  Yes, now I see on the Senegal wiki page
>> the same issue I am raising. I think I agree with the comment about using
>> trunk for "maybe only the (roads) with the highest quality (at least two
>> lanes of good asphalt) and major topological roles."
>>
>> My take is that trunk designation should indeed be limited to paved roads
>> with at least 2 full size lanes (that means at least 7 meters wide = two
>> 3.5 meter lanes). 7 meters wide (+ 1.5 meters on each side, so total of 10
>> meter wide base) is the new standard now used Senegal and Mali I think.
>> This is in line with the 3.5-meter wide European lane standard and the
>> 12-foot wide US lane standard.
>>
>> If Senegal is planning some sessions in 2014 that I feel it might be the
>> best place to make a proposal to further clarify the standards. I will
>> subscribe to the mailing list to stay in the loop.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Vincent Dawans.
>>
>>
>> On 3/4/2014 12:51 PM, Mamadou bassirou THIAM wrote:
>>
>>  Hi there,
>>
>>  Welcome Vincent and many thanks for your message.
>>
>> Overall, I can confirm your remarks on West African ground.
>>
>>  A first clarification to bring is that Highway Tag Africa
>>   is actually an
>> initiative, for now.
>>
>> After an active mappy year, a stunning lack was the absence of a
>> consensual and appropriate
>>
>> data model for West Africa, roads in particular. You can go through the
>> Issues section of
>>
>> OSM Senegal Wiki 
>> Projectthat 
>> underline same questions that you evoked.
>>
>> This situation is also linked to the real states of our West African
>> roads in question.
>>
>> Not easy to figure out the most appropriate OSM tag for each of them and
>> the Dakar's motorway is still being built (its a new one).
>>
>>  But, It was necessary to start working with something to complete
>> further large discussions.
>>
>> Although incomplete this wiki is an important step to build the West
>> Africa data model and preset.
>>
>> It very helpful for OSM Senegal and the other HOT activations.
>>
>> More implication from our dear president will be much appreciated and I
>> think, even it's all wiki,
>>
>> it was written based on collective agreement, so I won't recommend a
>> single person to update it directly.
>>
>>  There are two key events in our 2014 program that will help improve
>> this situation.
>>
>> Quality assurance sessions to redraw and finalize the SN highway layer and
>>
>> A workshop with mappers and organizations interested in OSM data to
>> determine how to
>>
>> rationalize harmonize our edits and how to make information matches needs.
>>
>>  You can stay turned by subscribing to our mailing 
>> listalso.
>>
>> Discussions will re-open shortly, hope to catch you online or why not
>> bump into you 

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Mamadou bassirou THIAM]

+1 For your trunck definition suggestion


On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Vincent Dawans  wrote:

>  Mamadou:
>
> Good to know Senegal is on task!  Yes, now I see on the Senegal wiki page
> the same issue I am raising. I think I agree with the comment about using
> trunk for "maybe only the (roads) with the highest quality (at least two
> lanes of good asphalt) and major topological roles."
>
> My take is that trunk designation should indeed be limited to paved roads
> with at least 2 full size lanes (that means at least 7 meters wide = two
> 3.5 meter lanes). 7 meters wide (+ 1.5 meters on each side, so total of 10
> meter wide base) is the new standard now used Senegal and Mali I think.
> This is in line with the 3.5-meter wide European lane standard and the
> 12-foot wide US lane standard.
>
> If Senegal is planning some sessions in 2014 that I feel it might be the
> best place to make a proposal to further clarify the standards. I will
> subscribe to the mailing list to stay in the loop.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Vincent Dawans.
>
>
> On 3/4/2014 12:51 PM, Mamadou bassirou THIAM wrote:
>
>  Hi there,
>
>  Welcome Vincent and many thanks for your message.
>
> Overall, I can confirm your remarks on West African ground.
>
>  A first clarification to bring is that Highway Tag Africa
>   is actually an
> initiative, for now.
>
> After an active mappy year, a stunning lack was the absence of a
> consensual and appropriate
>
> data model for West Africa, roads in particular. You can go through the
> Issues section of
>
> OSM Senegal Wiki 
> Projectthat underline 
> same questions that you evoked.
>
> This situation is also linked to the real states of our West African roads
> in question.
>
> Not easy to figure out the most appropriate OSM tag for each of them and
> the Dakar's motorway is still being built (its a new one).
>
>  But, It was necessary to start working with something to complete
> further large discussions.
>
> Although incomplete this wiki is an important step to build the West
> Africa data model and preset.
>
> It very helpful for OSM Senegal and the other HOT activations.
>
> More implication from our dear president will be much appreciated and I
> think, even it's all wiki,
>
> it was written based on collective agreement, so I won't recommend a
> single person to update it directly.
>
>  There are two key events in our 2014 program that will help improve this
> situation.
>
> Quality assurance sessions to redraw and finalize the SN highway layer and
>
> A workshop with mappers and organizations interested in OSM data to
> determine how to
>
> rationalize harmonize our edits and how to make information matches needs.
>
>  You can stay turned by subscribing to our mailing 
> listalso.
>
> Discussions will re-open shortly, hope to catch you online or why not bump
> into you in Dakar, since you're a traveler!
>
>  MisterBass
> Saint-Louis, Senegal.
> http://twitter.com/bassthiam
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:
>
>>   Hi Vincent
>>
>>  Welcome! I don't have direct experience of these roads, but from my
>> perspective, sounds like a reasonable and informed approach. Hopefully
>> people working in the region will share their ideas on this. I just wanted
>> to say, that you should also feel free to contact directly other people who
>> have edited the wiki page (check the History), and other people who have
>> edited these roads in OSM. And yes, remember, it's all a wiki, so even if
>> it's two steps forward, one step back, collaboratively getting everything
>> into the commons doesn't require permission.
>>
>>  Cheers
>> Mikel
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>>
>>On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:15 PM, Vincent Dawans 
>> wrote:
>>
>>Hello:
>> My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor at Virtue
>> Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting NGOs and social
>> enterprises in the developing world.  As a technical advisor, I do a lot
>> of traveling. I am currently traveling to West Africa every 3 months or so.
>> I was last in Mali and got really impressed with the accuracy of the
>> openstreetmap layer (I was using the MapWithMe android app that gets its
>> data from openstreetmap); certainly the level of details in Bamako is quite
>> impressive, enough that I was able to go on long walks through the back
>> streets without ever getting lost.  Seeing all that good work got me
>> interested in getting involved.
>> One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking organization
>> around Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to give them gps receivers so
>> they can start mapping the many villages in which they work. I got some old
>> $25 gps receivers online that I will try using for that purpose...
>> I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it nee

[HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Will Skora]

 Hi Vincent,

Welcome :)

I honestly don't recall why trunk roads were not included in the
highway Africa tags page. As Mikel noted, these standards are elastic
and subject to change. You brought up some good points.

I do recall that when I first started mapping in Western Africa that
the main routes (such as the one from Dakar to St. Louis and N1 in
Senegal, were a mix of trunk and primary).

Regarding the absence of motorways in the guide, it was likely that because
that motorway (whose name escapes me) from Dakar to Rufisique is the
one of the very few motorways (I've been on it myself during HOT's
project in Senegal, June '12) in western AFR, it wasn't included in
the highway standard and there's very few others in AFR.
Perhaps, we should include it into the HIghway Africa Tags since they
are increasingly being built there.

On a related note, highway=trunk isn't included in the HDM Preset and
I'm not sure why.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/HDM_preset -
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2013-06-07_humanitarian_data_model_redux
Thoughts?

J'ai ajoute Gus et M. Thiam, 2 deux volontariats dans le communite
senegalaise. Nous voudrions vos avis a le classification et discutez
svp  :)
Désolée, je doit retourner a travailler maintenant, donc, je ne peut
traduire mon message entier.

Regards,
Will


> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2014 18:14:37 -0800
> From: Vincent Dawans 
> To: hot@openstreetmap.org
> Subject: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag
> Africa" standards
> Message-ID: <5315370d.3090...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> Hello:
>
> My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor at Virtue
> Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting NGOs and social
> enterprises in the developing world.As a technical advisor, I do a lot
> of traveling. I am currently traveling to West Africa every 3 months or
> so. I was last in Mali and got really impressed with the accuracy of the
> openstreetmap layer (I was using the MapWithMe android app that gets its
> data from openstreetmap); certainly the level of details in Bamako is
> quite impressive, enough that I was able to go on long walks through the
> back streets without ever getting lost.Seeing all that good work got me
> interested in getting involved.
>
> One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking organization
> around Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to give them gps receivers so
> they can start mapping the many villages in which they work. I got some
> old $25 gps receivers online that I will try using for that purpose...
>
> I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it needs some
> attention). However as I am looking at the "Highway Tag Africa"
> standards I am a bit confused as to the lack of mention of the
> "highway=trunk" and "highway=motorway" tags.
>
> I am going to take West Africa as an example since this is what I know.
> I feel like the main regional roads should be consistently marked as
> "trunk" and not merely "primary".Right now some sections are marked
> trunk, other primary. By "regional roads" I mean mostly the roads that
> are part of the new Trans-African Highway Network that is taking
> shape.The Trans-African Highway Network comprises a series of east/west
> and north/south roads crossing the continent. Here is a good overview of
> the Trans-African Highway Network:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-African_Highway_network
>
> My personal experience with that network is the Trans-Sahelian Highway
> (Trans-African Highway 5), more specifically its first section running
> from Dakar to Ouagadougou which I use on a regular
> basis.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar-Ndjamena_Highway.The section
> running from Dakar to Ouagadougou actually splits into 2 branches from
> Tambacounda, Senegal to Kita, Mali (one branch is the original northern
> road via Kayes Mali, and the other one is the brand new southern road
> via Kenieba and Kati, Mali.).
>
> I feel that these roads would benefit from being more
> consistently"upgraded" from primary to trunk because they are not only
> important roads for their respective countries but are in fact becoming
> the backbone of the road network in their respective regions and serve
> as the primary roads crisscrossing the continent.  IMHO they fit the
> official trunk definition of "The most important roads in a country's
> system that aren't motorways."
>
> Whatever decision is made, some clarification is necessary because right
> now some sections of that network are already marked as trunk on the
> map, but in a very inconsistent manner, with some trunk roads becoming
> primary mid way without reflecting actual changes on the ground. Here is
> just one example for illustration purpose: in Senegal the trunk tag
> starts in Kaffrine and ends in Kotiari, then it becomes trunk once more
> in Mali between Segala and Bamako. In reality there is no reason wh

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Vincent Dawans]

Hi Pierre:

Thank you for the pointers to the 2013 discussions. I will look at the 
archive.


I can tell you that from what I have seen on the ground, the Mali 
activation is definitely a success, in particular if you compare the 
level of details and accuracy with google maps.


I do like the approach of differentiating the road importance and its 
condition as currently explained in the guidelines, and I think it works 
well with the "Primary/Secondary/Tertiary" classification.


It appears some people in Senegal have raised the same issue about the 
use of trunk, so I am going to follow up with them.


Regards,

Vincent Dawans

On 3/4/2014 11:31 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:

Hi Vincent,

Thanks to come and discuss about this. And I am pleased to have the 
opportunity to discuss with you and have comments on how usefull are 
those maps for road navigation. We dont have often some feedback from 
people travelling in these areas and this is much appreciated. I am 
also happy to see that you try to have local people to collect data 
with GPS.


If we want to progress collectively on this, it's  worth take time to 
discuss before amending the wiki page. And it would be interesting 
that some african contributors participate to such discussion.  Other 
HOT coordinators for various Activations might also have something to 
say about this.


Note that you should find various discussions on the subject on the 
Hot list in 2013.


We initiated the Mali_Highway_tag wiki page in early 2013 to help in 
the context of the Mali Activation the remote mappers to classify the 
highways in a more coherent approach.Thus, have the possibility to 
deliver rapidly a more coherent road map with all the remote mappers 
contributing to the classification.


At the time, we had various discussions on both the HOT irc and then 
HOT discussion list. Later, some discussions suggested that such 
classification was representative of Africa in general and the page 
was renamed to Highway_Tag_Africa. As explained in the wiki page, we 
thougth that it was important to make a difference between the 
importance of the road and it's surface / condition.


It seems interesting to add the trunk and the motorway 
classifications. Since we need other information then simply classify 
from observation of the Imagery, I think that such categories should 
be added in a clearly identified section of the wiki page, probably 
with a color box. Then I suggest that instructions should be given 
that these classifications are later added, once the roads have been 
traced from Imagery.  This should be done by experience mappers that 
do have appropriate information about the road network.  Ideally, this 
step should always be done and had planned to do it for Mali. But we 
often do not have people witth the local knowledge to revise the road 
classification and adapt to the context of the country or region like 
you propose. Plus we had a lot of Activations to take care in 2013.


It is surely welcome if you propose to revise the classification for 
the major roads being part of theTrans-African Highway Network or others.


Regard
Pierre





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Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Vincent Dawans]

Mamadou:

Good to know Senegal is on task!  Yes, now I see on the Senegal wiki 
page the same issue I am raising. I think I agree with the comment about 
using trunk for "maybe only the (roads) with the highest quality (at 
least two lanes of good asphalt) and major topological roles."


My take is that trunk designation should indeed be limited to paved 
roads with at least 2 full size lanes (that means at least 7 meters wide 
= two 3.5 meter lanes). 7 meters wide (+ 1.5 meters on each side, so 
total of 10 meter wide base) is the new standard now used Senegal and 
Mali I think. This is in line with the 3.5-meter wide European lane 
standard and the 12-foot wide US lane standard.


If Senegal is planning some sessions in 2014 that I feel it might be the 
best place to make a proposal to further clarify the standards. I will 
subscribe to the mailing list to stay in the loop.


Sincerely,

Vincent Dawans.

On 3/4/2014 12:51 PM, Mamadou bassirou THIAM wrote:


Hi there,


Welcome Vincent and many thanks for your message.

Overall, I can confirm your remarks on West African ground.


A first clarification to bring is that Highway Tag Africa 
  is actually 
an initiative, for now.


After an active mappy year, a stunning lack was the absence of a 
consensual and appropriate


data model for West Africa, roads in particular. You can go through 
the Issuessection of


OSM Senegal Wiki Project 
that underline 
same questions that you evoked.


This situation is also linked to the real states of our West African 
roads in question.


Not easy to figure out the most appropriate OSM tag for each of them 
and the Dakar's motorway is still being built (its a new one).



But, It was necessary to start working with something to complete 
further large discussions.


Although incomplete this wiki is an important step to build the West 
Africa data model and preset.


It very helpful for OSM Senegal and the other HOT activations.

More implication from our dear president will be much appreciated and 
I think, even it's all wiki,


it was written based on collective agreement, so I won't recommend a 
single person to update it directly.



There are two key events in our 2014 program that will help improve 
this situation.


Quality assurance sessions to redraw and finalize the SN highway layer and

A workshop with mappers and organizations interested in OSM data to 
determine how to


rationalize harmonize our edits and how to make information matches needs.


You can stay turned by subscribing to our mailing list 
also.


Discussions will re-open shortly, hope to catch you online or why not 
bump into you in Dakar, since you're a traveler!



MisterBass

Saint-Louis, Senegal.
http://twitter.com/bassthiam





On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Mikel Maron > wrote:


Hi Vincent

Welcome! I don't have direct experience of these roads, but from
my perspective, sounds like a reasonable and informed approach.
Hopefully people working in the region will share their ideas on
this. I just wanted to say, that you should also feel free to
contact directly other people who have edited the wiki page (check
the History), and other people who have edited these roads in OSM.
And yes, remember, it's all a wiki, so even if it's two steps
forward, one step back, collaboratively getting everything into
the commons doesn't require permission.

Cheers
Mikel
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron


On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:15 PM, Vincent Dawans
mailto:dawa...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello:
My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor
at Virtue Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting
NGOs and social enterprises in the developing world.As a
technical advisor, I do a lot of traveling. I am currently
traveling to West Africa every 3 months or so. I was last in
Mali and got really impressed with the accuracy of the
openstreetmap layer (I was using the MapWithMe android app
that gets its data from openstreetmap); certainly the level of
details in Bamako is quite impressive, enough that I was able
to go on long walks through the back streets without ever
getting lost.Seeing all that good work got me interested in
getting involved.
One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking
organization around Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to
give them gps receivers so they can start mapping the many
villages in which they work. I got some old $25 gps receivers
online that I will try using for that purpose...
I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it needs some
attention). However as I am looking a

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Mamadou bassirou THIAM]

Hi there,

Welcome Vincent and many thanks for your message.

Overall, I can confirm your remarks on West African ground.

A first clarification to bring is that Highway Tag Africa
  is actually an
initiative, for now.

After an active mappy year, a stunning lack was the absence of a consensual
and appropriate

data model for West Africa, roads in particular. You can go through the
Issues section of

OSM Senegal Wiki
Projectthat
underline same questions that you evoked.

This situation is also linked to the real states of our West African roads
in question.

Not easy to figure out the most appropriate OSM tag for each of them and
the Dakar's motorway is still being built (its a new one).

But, It was necessary to start working with something to complete further
large discussions.

Although incomplete this wiki is an important step to build the West Africa
data model and preset.

It very helpful for OSM Senegal and the other HOT activations.

More implication from our dear president will be much appreciated and I
think, even it's all wiki,

it was written based on collective agreement, so I won't recommend a single
person to update it directly.

There are two key events in our 2014 program that will help improve this
situation.

Quality assurance sessions to redraw and finalize the SN highway layer and

A workshop with mappers and organizations interested in OSM data to
determine how to

rationalize harmonize our edits and how to make information matches needs.

You can stay turned by subscribing to our mailing
listalso.

Discussions will re-open shortly, hope to catch you online or why not bump
into you in Dakar, since you're a traveler!

MisterBass
Saint-Louis, Senegal.
http://twitter.com/bassthiam





On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> Hi Vincent
>
> Welcome! I don't have direct experience of these roads, but from my
> perspective, sounds like a reasonable and informed approach. Hopefully
> people working in the region will share their ideas on this. I just wanted
> to say, that you should also feel free to contact directly other people who
> have edited the wiki page (check the History), and other people who have
> edited these roads in OSM. And yes, remember, it's all a wiki, so even if
> it's two steps forward, one step back, collaboratively getting everything
> into the commons doesn't require permission.
>
> Cheers
> Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
>
>   On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:15 PM, Vincent Dawans 
> wrote:
>
>  Hello:
> My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor at Virtue
> Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting NGOs and social
> enterprises in the developing world.  As a technical advisor, I do a lot
> of traveling. I am currently traveling to West Africa every 3 months or so.
> I was last in Mali and got really impressed with the accuracy of the
> openstreetmap layer (I was using the MapWithMe android app that gets its
> data from openstreetmap); certainly the level of details in Bamako is quite
> impressive, enough that I was able to go on long walks through the back
> streets without ever getting lost.  Seeing all that good work got me
> interested in getting involved.
> One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking organization
> around Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to give them gps receivers so
> they can start mapping the many villages in which they work. I got some old
> $25 gps receivers online that I will try using for that purpose...
> I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it needs some attention).
>  However as I am looking at the "Highway Tag Africa" standards I am a bit
> confused as to the lack of mention of the "highway=trunk" and
> "highway=motorway" tags.
> I am going to take West Africa as an example since this is what I know. I
> feel like the main regional roads should be consistently marked as "trunk"
> and not merely "primary".  Right now some sections are marked trunk,
> other primary. By "regional roads" I mean mostly the roads that are part of
> the new Trans-African Highway Network that is taking shape.  The
> Trans-African Highway Network comprises a series of east/west and
> north/south roads crossing the continent. Here is a good overview of the
> Trans-African Highway Network:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-African_Highway_network
> My personal experience with that network is the Trans-Sahelian Highway
> (Trans-African Highway 5), more specifically its first section running from
> Dakar to Ouagadougou which I use on a regular basis.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar-Ndjamena_Highway.  The section running
> from Dakar to Ouagadougou actually splits into 2 branches from Tambacounda,
> Senegal to Kita, Mali (one branch is the original northern road via Kayes
> Mali, and the other one is the 

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Pierre Béland]

Hi Vincent,

Thanks to come and discuss about this. And I am pleased to have the opportunity 
to discuss with you and have comments on how usefull are those maps for road 
navigation. We dont have often some feedback from people travelling in these 
areas and this is much appreciated. I am also happy to see that you try to have 
local people to collect data with GPS.

If we want to progress collectively on this, it's  worth take time to discuss 
before 
amending the wiki page. And it would be interesting that some african 
contributors participate to such discussion.  Other HOT coordinators for 
various Activations might also have something to say about this.

Note that you should find various discussions on the subject on the Hot list in 
2013.

We initiated the Mali_Highway_tag wiki page in early 2013 to help in the 
context of the Mali Activation the remote mappers to classify the highways in a 
more coherent approach.Thus, have the possibility to deliver rapidly a more 
coherent road map with all the remote mappers contributing to the 
classification. 

At the time, we had various discussions on both the HOT irc and then HOT 
discussion list.  Later, some discussions suggested that such classification 
was representative of Africa in general and the page was renamed to 
Highway_Tag_Africa. As explained in the wiki page, we thougth that it was 
important to make a difference between the importance of the road and it's 
surface / condition.

It seems interesting to add the trunk and the motorway classifications. Since 
we need other information then simply classify from observation of the Imagery, 
I think that such categories should be added in a clearly identified section of 
the wiki page, probably with a color box. Then I suggest that instructions 
should be given that these classifications are later added, once the roads have 
been traced from Imagery.  This should be done by experience mappers that do 
have appropriate information about the road network.  Ideally, this step should 
always be done and had planned to do it for Mali. But we often do not have 
people witth the local knowledge to revise the road classification and adapt to 
the context of the country or region like you propose. Plus we had a lot of 
Activations to take care in 2013.

It is surely welcome if you propose to revise the classification for the major 
roads being part of theTrans-African Highway Network or others.

Regard

 
Pierre 




 De : Vincent Dawans 
À : hot@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Lundi 3 mars 2014 21h14
Objet : [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa"
standards
 


Hello:
My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor at Virtue 
Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting NGOs and social enterprises 
in the developing world.  As a technical advisor, I do a lot of traveling. I am 
currently traveling to West Africa every 3 months or so. I was last in Mali and 
got really impressed with the accuracy of the openstreetmap layer (I was using 
the MapWithMe android app that gets its data from openstreetmap); certainly the 
level of details in Bamako is quite impressive, enough that I was able to go on 
long walks through the back streets without ever getting lost.  Seeing all that 
good work got me interested in getting involved.
One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking organization around 
Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to give them gps receivers so they can 
start mapping the many villages in which they work. I got some old $25 gps 
receivers online that I will try using for that purpose... 
I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it needs some attention).  
However as I am looking at the "Highway Tag Africa" standards I am a bit 
confused as to the lack of mention of the "highway=trunk" and 
"highway=motorway" tags.
I am going to take West Africa as an example since this is what I know. I feel 
like the main regional roads should be consistently marked as "trunk" and not 
merely "primary".  Right now some sections are marked trunk, other primary. By 
"regional roads" I mean mostly the roads that are part of the new Trans-African 
Highway Network that is taking shape.  The Trans-African Highway Network 
comprises a series of east/west and north/south roads crossing the continent. 
Here is a good overview of the Trans-African Highway Network: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-African_Highway_network
My personal experience with that network is the Trans-Sahelian Highway 
(Trans-African Highway 5), more specifically its first section running from 
Dakar to Ouagadougou which I use on a regular basis.  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar-Ndjamena_Highway.  The section running from 
Dakar to Ouagadougou actually splits into 2 branches from Tambacounda, Senegal 
to Kita, Mali (one branch is the original northern road via Kayes Mali, and the 
other one is the brand new southern road via Kenieba and Kati,

[HOT] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Do you have hands-on experience flying UAVs & quadcopters?

[nicolas chavent]

Hi all,
Sorry for the double_emailing for those of you who are subscribed to
crisis_mappers, but here's a thread which is of interest for us and surely
a topic that deserved our attention. To be tied to Imagery, with perhaps a
working group Imagery/Drone ?
Best,
Nico

-- Forwarded message --
From: nicolas chavent 
Date: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Do you have hands-on experience flying UAVs &
quadcopters?
To: crisismappers 
Cc: Patrick Meier , Frederic Moine <
frmo...@gmail.com>


Hi Andrew, Patrick and all,

Thanks for intervening in this thread, all credits/ expertise on this UAV
experiment got to Fred Moine who had been organizing as an individual
(outside of the USAID>OTI>HRI_funded mapping project (CAP_103) HOT designed
and implemented with local Haitian OSM Ggroups and Individuals (COSMHA,
COSMHA-STM) in Norther Haiti working closely with HRI, and (for our great
pleasur you and other from USAID, Chad, Shadrocks). I had not been possible
to include the UAV component in the funded activities of the USAID>OTI>HRI
funded_supported mapping projects CAP_103. HOT was not in a position at
that time to operate UAV since the policy around this cutting_edge and new
technique for high_res imagery collection was at its early edges and in the
making; uncertainty linked to the liability of the organization (flying/
producs) being an area where the bases of knowledge was not mature/firm
enough for engaging he Organization.

Really,  Frederic Moine, humble, low profile, hard_worker and tenacious
(with CERN right now and is associated as a volunteeras, in France with
CartONG , a leading GIS/Mapping NGO in France,
tenacious has been behind the use of UAV in Haiti mostly in coordination
with IOM and for one mission (the Association Drone Adventures DA). Fred
has worked in real conditions in the immediate aftermath of Trop Storm
Sandy in Haiti/PAP ("Rivière Grise" area), he had also operated with DA and
IOM and individuals from local OSM Groups in Haiti in North and Northern
Haiti in Prepardness/Prevention activities. Mapping involving UAV is still
on-going. The last pres from Fred, I can recall was at UNOSAT/JRC workshop
in Geneva 
[workshop]
where he presented his astonishing work. I let Fred adding to this thread.

At Patrick, looking forward to reading your pieces once you will have
digested all inputs, what form are you planning to use : blog posts, white
papers and/or project documents. Also given the fact that this is really a
new but necessary and promising area of work for Hum/Dev actors, it would
be great if you can give us more details about what it is that you are
after. It may also the occasion for practitioners involved in this forum to
collectively list key_up_to_date resources, projects and goods/bads as well
as dos/dont.

Happy to read about your engagement in UAV Patrick as well as the answers
you are getting wich seem the right level of interest for this technique
which will soon be a classic_simple data collection tool within the tool
box of IM/GIS folks of the Hum/Dev

Best to all,
Nico




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Andrew W  wrote:

> Hi Patrick (and all)
>
> The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team used some imagery from a drone
> provided by a new drone imagery company as part of a USAID/OTI project in
> Northern Haiti, I think they might have flown it together with the company.
> Fred Moine, Severin Menard or Jaakko Helleranta would probably be a good
> contacts if you have their emails. If not I can provide.
>
> Also I'm forwarding to a colleague at USAID/OFDA who is a drone hobbyist.
>
> Andrew
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 5:15:05 AM UTC-6, Patrick Meier wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Many thanks for the great replies, both via this list and directly. I
>> really appreciate it and will follow up shortly.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> 
>> Patrick P. Meier (PhD)
>> http://www.iRevolution.net 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Ict4peace wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Patrick,
>>> Agree with Franck. ETH very active in this field. As I live in Zurich,
>>> can also help with introductions, if needed.
>>>
>>> Very best
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> Daniel Stauffacher
>>> President
>>> ICT4peace Foundation
>>> www.ict4peace.org
>>> danielst...@ict4peace.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03.03.2014, at 13:29, Franck Legendre  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> My colleagues at ETH are leading a cool project with different flying
>>> UAVs in action: http://www.swarmix.org
>>> Cheers, Franck
>>> On Mar 3, 2014 9:06 AM, "Patrick Meier (iRevolution)" <
>>> pat...@irevolution.net> wrote:
>>>
  Hi All,

 I'm curious to know whether anyone else in the CrisisMappers Network
 has hands-on experience flying (small or large) multicopters, UAVs, etc.
 for civilian use (e.g. disaster resp

Re: [HOT] Introducting myself + questions about "Highway Tag Africa" standards

[Mikel Maron]

Hi Vincent

Welcome! I don't have direct experience of these roads, but from my 
perspective, sounds like a reasonable and informed approach. Hopefully people 
working in the region will share their ideas on this. I just wanted to say, 
that you should also feel free to contact directly other people who have edited 
the wiki page (check the History), and other people who have edited these roads 
in OSM. And yes, remember, it's all a wiki, so even if it's two steps forward, 
one step back, collaboratively getting everything into the commons doesn't 
require permission.

Cheers
Mikel
 
* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron



On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:15 PM, Vincent Dawans  wrote:
 
Hello:
>My name is Vincent Dawans and I am a Senior Technical Advisor at Virtue 
>Ventures, a technical firm dedicated to supporting NGOs and social enterprises 
>in the developing world.  As a technical advisor, I do a lot of traveling. I 
>am currently traveling to West Africa every 3 months or so. I was last in Mali 
>and got really impressed with the accuracy of the openstreetmap layer (I was 
>using the MapWithMe android app that gets its data from openstreetmap); 
>certainly the level of details in Bamako is quite impressive, enough that I 
>was able to go on long walks through the back streets without ever getting 
>lost.  Seeing all that good work got me interested in getting involved.
>One of the organizations I work with is a village-banking organization around 
>Kayes (Western Mali) and my plan is to give them gps receivers so they can 
>start mapping the many villages in which they work. I got some old $25 gps 
>receivers online that I will try using for that purpose... 
>I also stared updating the map for Kayes itself (it needs some attention).  
>However as I am looking at the "Highway Tag Africa" standards I am a bit 
>confused as to the lack of mention of the "highway=trunk" and 
>"highway=motorway" tags.
>I am going to take West Africa as an example since this is what I know. I feel 
>like the main regional roads should be consistently marked as "trunk" and not 
>merely "primary".  Right now some sections are marked trunk, other primary. By 
>"regional roads" I mean mostly the roads that are part of the new 
>Trans-African Highway Network that is taking shape.  The Trans-African Highway 
>Network comprises a series of east/west and north/south roads crossing the 
>continent. Here is a good overview of the Trans-African Highway Network: 
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-African_Highway_network
>My personal experience with that network is the Trans-Sahelian Highway 
>(Trans-African Highway 5), more specifically its first section running from 
>Dakar to Ouagadougou which I use on a regular basis.  
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakar-Ndjamena_Highway.  The section running from 
>Dakar to Ouagadougou actually splits into 2 branches from Tambacounda, Senegal 
>to Kita, Mali (one branch is the original northern road via Kayes Mali, and 
>the other one is the brand new southern road via Kenieba and Kati, Mali.).
>I feel that these roads would benefit from being more consistently  "upgraded" 
>from primary to trunk because they are not only important roads for their 
>respective countries but are in fact becoming the backbone of the road network 
>in their respective regions and serve as the primary roads crisscrossing the 
>continent.  IMHO they fit the official trunk definition of "The most important 
>roads in a country's system that aren't motorways."
>
>Whatever decision is made, some clarification is necessary because right now 
>some sections of that network are already marked as trunk on the map, but in a 
>very inconsistent manner, with some trunk roads becoming primary mid way 
>without reflecting actual changes on the ground. Here is just one example for 
>illustration purpose: in Senegal the trunk tag starts in Kaffrine and ends in 
>Kotiari, then it becomes trunk once more in Mali between Segala and Bamako. In 
>reality there is no reason why the Dakar-Kaffrine section and 
>Tambacounda-Segala section should not be marked as trunk as well -- or all of 
>it marked as primary; but not a mix of both...
>Additionally, the highway=motorway tag also needs to be clarified; on the map, 
>motorways are already found, mostly in Northern and Southern Africa with some 
>also starting to show up in East and West Africa. For instance right now there 
>is a short motorway running from Dakar to Rufisque-- it's a real motorway, a 
>restricted access road build as per international standards -- a first in West 
>Africa I think.
>Hence I think the "Highway Tag Africa" guidelines would benefit from being 
>expanded with trunk roads and motorway; if nothing to clarify the current 
>mixed used of motorway, trunk and primary tags. I would love to know what the 
>opinion of the community is on this matter. I am willing to help draft some 
>changes to the guidelines if there is some buy-in for the general idea 
>prese

Re: [HOT] London hack weekend

[Pierre GIRAUD]

Hi all,

Thanks Katie for paying attention to the tasking manager and willing
to contribute.

First of all, for your information, the development of the tasking
manager will eventually be switched to v2. Hopefully this spring. In
priority, we'll try to have the features available in v1 added to v2.
https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager2/issues?labels=feature+request+%28v1+upgrade%29&page=1&state=open
https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager2/wiki/V1-Features-List

The v2 might be too weak for now if you want to contribute but if you
feel confident enough there's a lot to do.

On the other hand, the v1 can still be enhanced until we officially
switch development to v2.
For example, as proposed by Yanista, I think that working on #192 is
worth. Even designing the workflow or user interface without coding
anything would help a lot.

My last suggestion regarding the tasking manager is analyzing the
user's feedback. There's a google drive doc I can share. I didn't have
time to summarize its content and pick ideas from the large amount of
great feedback written there by several different users. Bugs or
feature requests could simply be turned into github issues.

Regards,
Pierre

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Katie Filbert  wrote:
> I will be at OSM London hack weekend in March (8-9).
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London/London_Hack_Weekend_Mar_2014
>
> Curious if any other hot folks will be there?
>
> I might like to poke at the tasking manager or something else hot-related.
>
> I see numerous issues and features for tasking manager. Any that would be
> particularly helpful to work on? or other tools?
>
> https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager
>
> https://github.com/pgiraud/osm-tasking-manager2
>
> Cheers,
> Katie
>
> --
> Katie Filbert
> filbe...@gmail.com
> @filbertkm / @wikimediadc / @wikidata
>
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[HOT] HOT Projects

[AYTOUN RALPH]

Hi All,
To start, congratulations to all the new voting members, to the newly
elected Board and the new Chair. Also to say thank you for a very user
friendly system that has been put in place so far.
I know you have quite a lot on your plate trying to make sense of the spate
of Humanitarian projects that came flooding in so am not expecting an
immediate response.
However there are quite a few of these projects which have been requested
and started but not completed. Are we still to go round completing these
projects or have some now fallen by the wayside as no longer required. My
request is some kind of indicators to let us at the mapping level know
which projects we should be working on to completion and in what order of
priority so we can best serve the interests of Humanitarian efforts.
Good luck in your new positions and I look forward to helping as best I can.
Thanking you
Ralph Aytoun
Cartographer (Retired)
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