Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS
Sorry Paul, but every system I have seen in Germany it works quite opposite to yours as you can see below. Maybe it has something to do with the German translation table in TCPIP or pcom. What will we learn from that? z/OS is not multi-cultural :-)) # ps -ef ! grep POHLI 16842875 65657 - 08:57:39 ttyp 0:00 grep # ps -ef | grep Usage: ps Ý-Aacdefjlmr¨ Ý-G idlist¨ Ý-g grouplist¨ Ý-n name¨ Ý-o format¨ ... Ý-p proclist¨ Ý-s idlist¨ Ý-t termlist¨ Ý-u!-U uidlist¨ Have a nice weekend Franz Josef Pohlen - Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS In a recent note, Pohlen Mailinglist said: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:06 +0100 in omvs you use the exclamation mark instead of the pipe symbol. I know that this is a difference to normal unix systems, therefore I have mentioned it. Ahem. I tried before I posted: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:128$ uname -a OS/390 MVS3 15.00 03 9672 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:129$ ps -ef ! grep xxx Usage: ps [-Aacdefjlmr] [-G idlist] [-g grouplist] [-n name] [-o format] ... [-p proclist] [-s idlist] [-t termlist] [-u|-U uidlist] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:130$ ps -ef | grep xxx SPPG824 33555246 - 12:27:12 ttyp 0:00 grep xxx -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Problem
Note the double ampersand which I understand are also required. I believe that is wrong; one or the other, but not both. Also, shouldn't the last command be ADDRESS ISREDIT SCAN = (oldscan) I may well be wrong with the exact syntax. I became curious and was quickly STFM (S=searching) and left the exact syntax as an exercise for the interested reader :-) (In fact, I just didn't have the time to try myself before posting, which I usually do). Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS IPL Consoles
--- Laine, Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are currently running z/OS 1.4 with two LPARS that are using 3174-1L 3274-1L controllers that have 3270 terminals attached for IPL'ing our two systems. What can we do to upgrade this old hardware to something a little more current? 2074 is the newer version of the old 3x74 control units. It is ESCON-attached, and can be shared amongs the LPARs. A LOT better. We also will be moving to 1.7 within the next 6-8 months. Can this help? More than the OS, it's the CPC which can provide further functionality. You didn't mention which CPC you have. If you have, or plan to get a CPC which support OSC channel type (OSA ICC, or whatever the name is), then you can even get rid of the above mentioned 2074. The functionality of the latter is moved onto this special OSA card. No more external boxes to handle your consoles. HTH. Walter Marguccio -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS IPL Consoles
Walter Marguccio wrote: ... If you have, or plan to get a CPC which support OSC channel type (OSA ICC, or whatever the name is), then you can even get rid of the above mentioned 2074. The functionality of the latter is moved onto this special OSA card. No more external boxes to handle your consoles. Unless you desire a solution that includes SSL security, coax support, or multi-user/single-console functionality. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS
z/OS UNIX is of course multi-cultural!
The shell and (most) of the utilities are written in C.
C needs the LE runtime environment. The LE runtime
enviroment is by default set to the C locale, which
means that text is interpreted with code page IBM-1047.
Therefore shell and utilities are expecting text to be
encoded in code page IBM-1047.
So the user needs to make sure he/she is sending text data
encoded with the code page the shell and utilities expect.
In Germany and Austria, people used to work with their 3270
emulators set to code page 273 which is now replaced by 1141
to accomodate for the Euro symbol.
The vertical bar in code page 1047 (which is what shell and
utilites expect when running in the default locale) is at
code point x'4F'. If you look at code page 1141, you'll see
that this is the explamation point.
Tell the shell, that you are actually sending text encoded
with 1141 instead of 1047 and the shell will understand
you vertical bar.
You can play with this. Simply add the following to your
.profile (NOTE that some lines may get split when posted
to IBM-MAIN)
if test -z $CHLOCALE tty -s
then
# ***
# *** This part needs to be in code page IBM-1047 ***
# ***
until test $LOCALE_TO_SET -ge 1test $LOCALE_TO_SET -le 3
do
echo
read LOCALE_TO_SET?Enter the locale: 1=IBM-1148 (CH) 2=IBM-1047 3=IBM-1141
(DE) (default is 1):
if test -z $LOCALE_TO_SET
then
LOCALE_TO_SET=1
fi
done
if test $LOCALE_TO_SET -eq 1
then
export MYCODEPAGE=IBM-1148
export MYLOCALE=CH
elif test $LOCALE_TO_SET -eq 2
then
export MYCODEPAGE=IBM-1047
export MYLOCALE=CH
elif test $LOCALE_TO_SET -eq 3
then
export MYCODEPAGE=IBM-1141
export MYLOCALE=DE
else
echo ** Error: LOCALE not set ***
fi
unset LOCALE_TO_SET
echo ' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
echo ' - Logon shell will now be invoked to reflect-'
echo - locale De_$MYLOCALE.$MYCODEPAGE-
echo ' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
# export ENV=$HOME/.shrc
export LC_ALL=De_$MYLOCALE.$MYCODEPAGE
export LANG=C
export CHLOCALE=EXECUTED
export STEPLIB=none
exec sh -L
fi
#
*
# *** Starting here all code needs to be able to execute in either code page
IBM-1148, IBM-1141 or IBM-1047 ***
#
*
echo ' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
echo ' - Welcome to OMVS System with localized setup -'
echo ' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'
if test $_BPX_TERMPATH = 'OMVS'
then
# In the above if stmt an unequal would be code page dependent, so equal is
used instead
else
chcp -a ISO8859-1 -e $MYCODEPAGE
if test $MYCODEPAGE = IBM-1148 # Multilingual code page
then
export DISPLAY=`who am i | awk -F'[()]' '{print ($2)}'`:0.0
elif test $MYCODEPAGE = IBM-1141 # German/Austrian code page
then
export DISPLAY=`who am i | awk -F'Ž()š' '„print ($2)'`:0.0
else
export DISPLAY=`who am i ! awk -F'í()ù' '{print ($2)}'`:0.0
fi
I'm not sure the above code page dependent statements survive
cut'n'paste'n'post, but this is merely to illustrate the
problems you encounter when trying to write multi-code-page
scripts.
Either run the 3270 emulator in the same host code page the
shell is expecting by default, i.e. IBM-1047 or tell
the shell to expect your code page (see above).
Hope that helps
Regards
Peter Hunkeler
CREDIT SUISSE
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SV: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS
You can get a memberlist in a MVS (non-TSO) REXX by executing program IEHLIST. (Doing that myself.) Thomas Berg -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Marco Gianfranco Indaco Skickat: den 18 januari 2006 20:30 Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Ämne: Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS Hi Mr Charles, many thanks again. I suppose that something near the assembler is de facto the only way to do this. If your tool is too complex is, for me, enough a good advice that will direct me on the right way. My actual idea, that can be wrong, is to reach two target: 1) find a way to list pds members from mvs data areas 2) control that after an update of Job Fail Control Block on JFCBELNM the EXECIO will run correctly. Best regards. P.S.= I only need to read the member. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Gianfranco Indaco Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [Rexx on z/Os]Point to particular member of PDS Hi Brendan, thanks for your reply but: neither LISTDS or OUTTRAP are internal function of Rexx(or MVS). LISTDS is a tso command OUTTRAP is an external function that run only in the TSO/E address space. So I can't use them running out of TSO. -- Marco Indaco MF Consultant Loc: Milan, Italy Mob (+39) 335 7035564 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Clear key encryption
Timothy Sipples wrote: It's worth pointing out that so-called clear key encryption is what every other standard server does with the keys. Except on a mainframe you have key-protected memory (and accelerators), so it's a lot harder for another task to grab that key. I'd prefer a different term for clear key on mainframes -- maybe privileged key -- but there it is. Secure key is fairly exotic stuff, but mainframes offer it if you need it. The private keys never appear in memory: they are tucked away inside the special tamper-proof cryptographic coprocessor cards. That also means extra I/O out to those cards for crypto processing, so it's not something you want to do unless you really need it. The comment downthread is quite astute, that DR planning must take into account private key preservation and recovery. If you lose the key(s) you've lost the data. Fortunately ICSF (the z/OS key management facility and crypto API set) has a multi-year track record of keeping those keys safe. With a little bit of planning this stuff really works, even in a DR situation. It not true that the mainframe is the only platform that can use secure keys (keys encrypted by a master key and only decrypted inside protected encryption hardware). The IBM 4758-2 cards for xSeries were functionally very similar to the PCICC cards and had the same FIPS 140-1 level 4 certification. These cards were also available for pSeries and iSeries. Currently, though, I'm not aware of any announced follow-on products to these cards. There are other vendors who sell external crypto boxes with protected keys. -- Ulrich Boche -- Ulrich Boche SVA GmbH, Germany IBM Premier Business Partner -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How SMFDUMP works?
Hello Ed, Date formats can not be assumed. And this was extract from IBM SIS site. I read it as yy/mm/dd = 2002 August 26, On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:17:38 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Victor, Have you checked your SMF TYPE 19 collection as per Shane and Sam's posts? Check out Info APAR: APAR Identifier .. II02887 Last Changed 02/08/26 SMF SWITCH COMMAND DOES NOT COMPLETE IN A TIMELY MANNER OR IPL DOES NOT COMPLETE IN TIMELY MANNER - WAITING ON SHARED DASD Bruce, 1926 ???!!! even MVS is not that old. Ed Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS Batch on ACTIVE ?
Cwi Jeret wrote on 01/19/2006 02:45:58 AM: U want to submit an IPCS Batch Job on the TSO ACTIVE storage rather than on a DUMP DataSet, like I do on the Source entry on the IPCS Defaults panel of the Online Dialog . How do I have to change my following JOB ? //IPCS EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,REGION=4M //IPCSDDIR DD DSN=User.IPCSDDIR,DISP=SHR //DUMP DD DSN=SYS1.DUMP,DISP=SHR How to change to ACTIVE ? //SYSPROC DD DSN=SYS1.SBLSCLI0,DISP=SHR //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=V //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=V //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=V //IPCSPRNT DD SYSOUT=V //SYSTSIN DD * PROFILE MSGID IPCS NOPARM DROPDUMP DDNAME(DUMP) SETDEF DDNAME(DUMP) PRINT NOTERMINAL NOCONFIRM IPLDATA STATUS DROPDUMP DDNAME(DUMP) END //* // You want to do the following: 1. Remove the DUMP ddname from the JCL. 2. Change all instances of DDNAME(DUMP) in the input stream to read ACTIVE. Bob Wright - MVS Service Aids -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS
Glad to give the feedback.I've checked the /etc/services and found out that the port otelnetd is using is 1023.Then I invoke an ordinary telnet session to it and uss shows up:) -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS Batch on ACTIVE ?
Thanks For Your Answer ! Cwi Jeret -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Training Scenarios
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Craig Bakken We would like to develop some scenarios to help train our operations staff in situations were the operators need to diagnose a problem and take such actions as taking a standalone dump, partitioning an ill system out of a sysplex or identifying a task causing a problem (ie looping or holding a lock). Does anyone have some documented scenarios and/or any program code that may cause problems that could be used to train operators on a standalone system? Well, here's a QD program that will just loop for a long time: LOOPER CSECT , LOOPER RMODE ANYin case you're storage-constrained :-) USING *,15 STM 14,12,12(,3) save caller's regs SR2,2zero outer loop counter SR3,3zero inner loop counter LOOPEQU * BCT 3,LOOP iterate inner BCT 2,LOOP iterate outer LM14,12,12(13) restore caller's regs SR15,15 set rc=0 BR14 return to caller END LOOPER -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Training Scenarios
Here is a shorter one for really storage constrained systems :-) LOOPER CSECT LOOPER RMODE ANY LOOPER AMODE 31 BR 15 END -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 7:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Operator Training Scenarios -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Craig Bakken We would like to develop some scenarios to help train our operations staff in situations were the operators need to diagnose a problem and take such actions as taking a standalone dump, partitioning an ill system out of a sysplex or identifying a task causing a problem (ie looping or holding a lock). Does anyone have some documented scenarios and/or any program code that may cause problems that could be used to train operators on a standalone system? Well, here's a QD program that will just loop for a long time: LOOPER CSECT , LOOPER RMODE ANYin case you're storage-constrained :-) USING *,15 STM 14,12,12(,3) save caller's regs SR2,2zero outer loop counter SR3,3zero inner loop counter LOOPEQU * BCT 3,LOOP iterate inner BCT 2,LOOP iterate outer LM14,12,12(13) restore caller's regs SR15,15 set rc=0 BR14 return to caller END LOOPER -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Problem
Joel Wolpert Director - Performance and Capacity Planning Shared Data Center Securities Industry Automation Corporation 2 Metrotech Center New York, NY 11201 (212) 383-3323 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/18/2006 06:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: REXX Problem In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2006 at 11:54 AM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Just out of curiosity, is there a performance impact either way? There is a minor performance cost to putting the unnecessary ADDRESS ISREDIT statement in front of the ADDRESS ISREDIT cmd statements. There is some debate as to whether there is a performance difference between ADDRESS ISREDIT cmd and cmd I regard the impact on readability and maintainability as more important than the performance impact. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html - This message and its attachments may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are prohibited from printing, forwarding, saving or copying this email. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the sort of question that can only (I hope) arise in a development and test environment, not in production. I can arise whenever anyone does what you did; so it's possible in production, but we hope that packagers take steps to prevent that. (When they don't, PEs and SUPs tend to follow.) Suppose I build a PTF and APPLY it. I have second thoughts, and rebuild it with a considerably different set of elements from the original; RECEIVE; and APPLY REDO. Is the result the same as if the earlier version had never existed and only the later were APPLYed, or is it some sort of merging of the two different versions? SMP/E won't remove the first PTF's parts before installing the second's. Suppose PTF 1a has parts A, B, and C and PTF 1b has B, C, and D. The result after this scenario will have A, B, C, and D. Recent unpleasant experience suggests that it merges rather than replaces: elements may appear with the RMID of the PTF, even though they are not present in the later version, only the earlier. How do I undo this mess? I suspect I might as well delete the CSI and rebuild. No need to be that drastic. Just build a PTF with the parts you want that supercedes the first PTF number. Make sure it contains *all* the parts that were part of either version of that PTF. Following the example above, PTF 2 would have to contain A, B, C, and D; part A would be at the pre-PTF 1a level; and parts B, C, and D would be at the PTF 1b level. (Before the second APPLY, you could have RESTOREd PTF 1a and then APPLYed PTF 1b to get almost the same result. The difference is that had you done that, the parts would have PTF 1b's RMID rather than PTF 2's RMID.) This surely provokes a wishlist item: If I attempt APPLY REDO, and there are elements in the target zone with the RMID of the PTF, but not in the PTF itself, SMP/E should report an error and fail the APPLY. MC should suggest Programmer Action: Perform RESTORE and only then retry the APPLY. I'll leave that one to you and Kurt. But I'll note that PTF packagers are a small subset of SMP/E users, so my uninformed opinion is that it's quite possible there are higher-priority things for them to do... Related question: Is there any query that will show me all elements in a target zone having a given RMID? I don't recall, but the SMP/E books should say. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Find the DD/dataset allocations for a job
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to find a way (without cross memory services) to find the datasets allocated to DD names in an address space other than my own. Specifically, I am looking for a way for when given the name of a CICS region, how do I find the name of the CSD allocated to the DFHCSD DD card? ShowMVS retrieves data set allocations for the master address space, and you could look at the code to see how it does it, but it's using CMS. -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Find the DD/dataset allocations for a job
I am trying to find a way (without cross memory services) to find the datasets allocated to DD names in an address space other than my own. Specifically, I am looking for a way for when given the name of a CICS region, how do I find the name of the CSD allocated to the DFHCSD DD card? I am afraid you are not going to get very far without X-memory services. Your only hope that I can think of (without X-memory) is to use the GQSCAN service to retrieve the current list of enqueues for the ASID in question and then rely on some sort of site-standard, unique major name or something in the dataset name to give you a good guess as to what it might be. In your example, scanning the dataset name for 'CSD' might be good - but can also give you false positives or no results at all. If using x-memory services, then you need to do something like : Shoot an SRB into the ASID in question and then run the DSAB/TIOT entries to find the DDNames and then translate the TIOEJFCB SVA (using SWAREQ) to get the JFCB and from there you can get the dataset name. Of course, all the normal caveats apply when snooping around inside another address space uninvited Rob Scott Rocket Software http://www.rs.com/portfolio/mxi/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Training Scenarios
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:52:33 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's a QD program that will just loop for a long time: LOOPER CSECT , LOOPER RMODE ANYin case you're storage-constrained :-) USING *,15 STM 14,12,12(,3) save caller's regs SR2,2zero outer loop counter SR3,3zero inner loop counter LOOPEQU * BCT 3,LOOP iterate inner BCT 2,LOOP iterate outer LM14,12,12(13) restore caller's regs SR15,15 set rc=0 BR14 return to caller END LOOPER How about IEFBR15? ;-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Training Scenarios
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:52:33 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's a QD program that will just loop for a long time: LOOPER CSECT , LOOPER RMODE ANYin case you're storage-constrained :-) USING *,15 STM 14,12,12(,3) save caller's regs SR2,2zero outer loop counter SR3,3zero inner loop counter LOOPEQU * BCT 3,LOOP iterate inner BCT 2,LOOP iterate outer LM14,12,12(13) restore caller's regs SR15,15 set rc=0 BR14 return to caller END LOOPER How about IEFBR15? ;-) Not self-correcting (won't eventually end). :-) Now all we need are a few estimates how long LOOPER would run on various processors if not cancelled -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How SMFDUMP works?
On Jan 19, 2006, at 5:35 AM, Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Ed, Date formats can not be assumed. And this was extract from IBM SIS site. I read it as yy/mm/dd = 2002 August 26, I know this but it was a lame attempt at humor. There is always talk on here about the graying of us sysprogs. Sorry. Ed On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:17:38 -0600, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:17 PM, Bruce Hewson wrote: Hello Victor, Have you checked your SMF TYPE 19 collection as per Shane and Sam's posts? Check out Info APAR: APAR Identifier .. II02887 Last Changed 02/08/26 SMF SWITCH COMMAND DOES NOT COMPLETE IN A TIMELY MANNER OR IPL DOES NOT COMPLETE IN TIMELY MANNER - WAITING ON SHARED DASD Bruce, 1926 ???!!! even MVS is not that old. Ed Regards Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
snip John is right on with his response regarding REDO processing (thanks John). This surely provokes a wishlist item: If I attempt APPLY REDO, and there are elements in the target zone with the RMID of the PTF, but not in the PTF itself, SMP/E should report an error and fail the APPLY. MC should suggest Programmer Action: Perform RESTORE and only then retry the APPLY. I'll leave that one to you and Kurt. But I'll note that PTF packagers are a small subset of SMP/E users, so my uninformed opinion is that it's quite possible there are higher-priority things for them to do... You could submit a requirement, but John is right that for the foreseeable future I believe we have many higher-priority items to keep us busy. Related question: Is there any query that will show me all elements in a target zone having a given RMID? No such query or filtering is provided by SMP/E. You could of course use LIST. and FIND the RMID value in question... crude by effective. Or you could use the GIMAPI program interface to perform such a query. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DocuText on z/OS 1.7
Can someone tell me if they are running Docutext release 5.8.2D on z/OS 1.7? Vendor says they have not tested this release on 1.7. Any help would be appreciated. TIA, Rogers Confidentiality Notice: This E-Mail transmission (and/or the documents accompanying it) may contain information belonging to the sender which is confidential, privileged and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. The information is intended only for the use of the individual(s) or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this E-Mail transmission in error, please immediately notify us by return E-Mail or telephone to arrange for return of its contents including any documents. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:12:50 -0600, Craddock, Chris wrote: Let's be clear - there is no difference AT ALL between the engines. Every engine on the die can execute any instruction defined in the architecture. zAAP engines are a slightly different specialization. They are not visible in the normal scheme of things and they can't field (I/O) interrupts. Is this they can't because of the contents of control register 6, or because of something else? I agree that a problem program should see no differences. Nope. The only way a zAAP gets to do any work at all is that the z/OS dispatcher knows a zAAP is there. The dispatcher recognizes JVM work and, if a zAAP is available, automatically dispatches that work on the zAAP. But getting it going on the zAAP isn't exactly free. That's considered ok because JAVA work is typically going to crank for a (relatively) long time. ... On your question of whether you could run an SRB on a zAAP; SRBs are intended to be for very short running work that is in and out and gone. They have been perverted into more long running things (e.g. DB2) over the years, but the overhead of getting dispatched on a zAAP would tend to limit the value of running a normal SRB on a zAAP - unless the system knew ahead of time that the SRB was going to run for a while - which of course it doesn't. In theory if the dispatcher was willing to do it there is no reason SRB work could not be dispatched on a zAAP, but it would be subject to the same limitations as the JVM. In practice, the current JVM couldn't run in SRB mode without some major surgery and there would not be any good reason to do that. So you won't see an SRB running on a zAAP any time soon. Why do you say that the overhead is greater to dispatch a zAAP than a non- zAAP CPU? (I'm curious.) -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI (We have some IFLs and some zAAPs the they all work quite well.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SHARE 2006
On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 06:45:55 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gene Muszak Esteemed colleagues Does anyone know where the SHARE expo is after SEATTLE in March? According to http://www.share.org/Events/future_conf.cfm: SHARE User-Driven Training Event Expo August 13-18, 2006 Baltimore, Maryland I see nothing has been published yet for 2007 and beyond -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The SHARE website has finally been updated to include the dates and locations for the 2007 conferences. Future Conferences SHARE User-Driven Training Event Expo (SHARE 106) March 5-10, 2006 Seattle, Washington SHARE User-Driven Training Event Expo (SHARE 107) August 13-18, 2006 Baltimore, Maryland SHARE User-Driven Training Event Expo (SHARE 108) February 11-16, 2007 Tampa, Florida SHARE User-Driven Training Event Expo (SHARE 109) August 12-17, 2007 San Diego, California In particular, note SHARE 108, which is a bit earlier than is normally scheduled. SHARE 108 was originally scheduled for the week before Mardi Gras in New Orleans. After Katrina, the Board of Director concluded that it may not be in SHARE's interest to stay in New Orleans at this time. The dates still reflect the week before Mardi Gras timing, albeit in a different location. As I understand it, New Orleans will be re-evaluated for a future conference location. (And, this change of venue was why the 2007 conferences haven't been posted until now.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Operator Training Scenarios
Is that ONE better than an IEFBR14? ;-) Fletch -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Operator Training Scenarios On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 06:52:33 -0600, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, here's a QD program that will just loop for a long time: LOOPER CSECT , LOOPER RMODE ANYin case you're storage-constrained :-) USING *,15 STM 14,12,12(,3) save caller's regs SR2,2zero outer loop counter SR3,3zero inner loop counter LOOPEQU * BCT 3,LOOP iterate inner BCT 2,LOOP iterate outer LM14,12,12(13) restore caller's regs SR15,15 set rc=0 BR14 return to caller END LOOPER How about IEFBR15? ;-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS
Could it be that z/os is *too* multi-cultural? :-)) The command response in the text of your email was very hard to read, no doubt due to some translations (code page?) along the way. There were two characters that did not display correctly on my PC. I have to wonder if that is somehow connected??? Let's put the blame on Windows. ;-) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pohlen (Mailinglist) Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:07 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS Sorry Paul, but every system I have seen in Germany it works quite opposite to yours as you can see below. Maybe it has something to do with the German translation table in TCPIP or pcom. What will we learn from that? z/OS is not multi-cultural :-)) # ps -ef ! grep POHLI 16842875 65657 - 08:57:39 ttyp 0:00 grep # ps -ef | grep Usage: ps Ý-Aacdefjlmr¨ Ý-G idlist¨ Ý-g grouplist¨ Ý-n name¨ Ý-o format¨ ... Ý-p proclist¨ Ý-s idlist¨ Ý-t termlist¨ Ý-u!-U uidlist¨ Have a nice weekend Franz Josef Pohlen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
zAAP engines are a slightly different specialization. They are not visible in the normal scheme of things and they can't field (I/O) interrupts. Is this they can't because of the contents of control register 6, or because of something else? I am not really sure. At some level the I/O interrupt mask has to be off, but the key question is where is that set? Don Deese said that the personality of the cpu is set in the HSA by PR/SM as part of LPAR dispatch. That has the ring of truth about it because among other things, it wouldn't require the overt cooperation of the operating system. z/OS and zVM are both more aware of their environment than zLinux - which basically doesn't care what the engine is. Why do you say that the overhead is greater to dispatch a zAAP than a non- zAAP CPU? (I'm curious.) Well for one thing, when the dispatcher is running on a normal CPU it is already running on the engine where the application code will be dispatched. There is a separate (not externally documented) signaling protocol to get work fired up on a zAAP. Even on its best day that is going to entail more path length than an ordinary dispatch. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Another fine mess ...
I own a piece of Assembler batch code that reads a parm member of a system library managed by Endeavor. This piece of code runs many times a day on all (10) production plexes. The FINE Endeavor folks have chosen to compress the library on each plex around 5 am each day. The collisions do not, unfortunately, cause an abend. The program reads the member and finds garbage, causing it to fail in its task, returning the wrong return code. I am wondering if I attempt to validate the parm, and finding garbage, what are the conditions under which I can get the correct information? If I wait say 10-20 seconds, do I have to close and reopen the file before reissuing the FIND macro for the member? Are there any other gotchas lurking in the shadows? All lpars appear to be zOS 1.4. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
Kirk Talman wrote: I own a piece of Assembler batch code that reads a parm member of a system library managed by Endeavor. This piece of code runs many times a day on all (10) production plexes. The FINE Endeavor folks have chosen to compress the library on each plex around 5 am each day. The collisions do not, unfortunately, cause an abend. The program reads the member and finds garbage, causing it to fail in its task, returning the wrong return code. I am wondering if I attempt to validate the parm, and finding garbage, what are the conditions under which I can get the correct information? If I wait say 10-20 seconds, do I have to close and reopen the file before reissuing the FIND macro for the member? Are there any other gotchas lurking in the shadows? All lpars appear to be zOS 1.4. IMHO, unserialized use of a PDS that's being compressed is a big mistake! I suggest you a) compress the PDS with DISP=OLD (SYSDSN exclusive), b) use an alternate serialization mechanism of some kind, or c) convert the library to PDSE and stop compressing it altogether. -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
Use PDSE Use DISP=OLD either on your job or the compress Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Logic is a tweeting bird in a green meadow. - Mr. Spock -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk Talman Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Another fine mess ... I own a piece of Assembler batch code that reads a parm member of a system library managed by Endeavor. This piece of code runs many times a day on all (10) production plexes. The FINE Endeavor folks have chosen to compress the library on each plex around 5 am each day. The collisions do not, unfortunately, cause an abend. The program reads the member and finds garbage, causing it to fail in its task, returning the wrong return code. I am wondering if I attempt to validate the parm, and finding garbage, what are the conditions under which I can get the correct information? If I wait say 10-20 seconds, do I have to close and reopen the file before reissuing the FIND macro for the member? Are there any other gotchas lurking in the shadows? All lpars appear to be zOS 1.4. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:52:51 -0500, Kirk Talman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I own a piece of Assembler batch code that reads a parm member of a system library managed by Endeavor. This piece of code runs many times a day on all (10) production plexes. The FINE Endeavor folks have chosen to compress the library on each plex around 5 am each day. The collisions do not, unfortunately, cause an abend. The program reads the member and finds garbage, causing it to fail in its task, returning the wrong return code. I am wondering if I attempt to validate the parm, and finding garbage, what are the conditions under which I can get the correct information? If I wait say 10-20 seconds, do I have to close and reopen the file before reissuing the FIND macro for the member? Are there any other gotchas lurking in the shadows? All lpars appear to be zOS 1.4. Opt. #1 (best opt.) Convert to PDSE and never worry about compress Opt. #2, change JCL to DISP=OLD We changed Endevor libs to PDSE years ago. The Endeavor folks used to schedule jobs to compress our Endevor controlled JES2 proclibs and cause problems. PDSE resolved that and later on we converted to dynamic proclibs after z/OS 1.2. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Auto-FTP
Does z/OS have a way to automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host? Thanks. Regards, Jeff -- Jeffrey C Barnard Barnard Software, Inc. http://www.bsiopti.com Phone 407-323-4773 Fax 407-323-4775 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How SMFDUMP works?
I'm not sure, but, yes I think so. 2006/1/18, Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are you using any SMF exits such as IEFU29? Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Víctor de la Fuente Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How SMFDUMP works? Hi! I readed quickly all your answers!Thanks to all! My problem with the CLOSE PENDING is the file is not going DUMP REQUIRED forever...until it wants! I mean we don't know when it is going to change its status. Sometimes we waited for 20 minutes or more! So we need to know why it's not changing, because we'll go out of buffers if, any funny day, the file wants to stay in CLOSE PENDING for hours! Talking about SMF type records, we currently are NOT writing Type 19, 69 nor 99. When I can, I'll send you our SMFPRM member. I don't know the solution for my problem yet, but, this way, I'm sure I'll be a SMF expert in a few days!!! *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
A customer's perspective. We recently had a problem for which IBM gave us an APAR test fix. A while later they rewrote the fix so that it hit a different MOD within the same LMOD. In that case, APPLY CHECK failed because the new fix attempted to SUP another sysmod but did not contain the same elements. For that case, SMP/E detects an error and quits. (Goodness.) The proper way out was to RESTORE the first fix, which removed all traces of it from the target zone, then APPLY the new fix. The result was clean: correct version of code, SMP/E happy with all relationships. Although vendors are in the business of crafting PTFs, customers often create usermods and therefore have to deal with the same issues. It's valuable for everyone to understand the process. SMP/E almost always provides a mechanism to correct problems like this. I can't remember the last time we actually had to trash an entire CSI and start over. . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/19/2006 06:52:21 AM: snip John is right on with his response regarding REDO processing (thanks John). This surely provokes a wishlist item: If I attempt APPLY REDO, and there are elements in the target zone with the RMID of the PTF, but not in the PTF itself, SMP/E should report an error and fail the APPLY. MC should suggest Programmer Action: Perform RESTORE and only then retry the APPLY. I'll leave that one to you and Kurt. But I'll note that PTF packagers are a small subset of SMP/E users, so my uninformed opinion is that it's quite possible there are higher-priority things for them to do... You could submit a requirement, but John is right that for the foreseeable future I believe we have many higher-priority items to keep us busy. Related question: Is there any query that will show me all elements in a target zone having a given RMID? No such query or filtering is provided by SMP/E. You could of course use LIST. and FIND the RMID value in question... crude by effective. Or you could use the GIMAPI program interface to perform such a query. Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
In a recent note, Knutson, Sam said: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:36:36 -0500 Use PDSE The second-best idea. Unfortunately we can't always do it because we share data sets beyond sysplex boundaries. HFS/z/FS shared by NFS might be even better. Use DISP=OLD either on your job or the compress Not always practical for heavily used linklibs and parameter libraries. Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY How do I find that? A search for ENQUEUE in: Title: z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities Document Number: SC26-7414-03 ... returns no hits. Do the queue names and resource names involved require APF? -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
Is there an automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host feature in z/OS? Not that I know of. Could you do this with a batch job and your scheduler? Possibly. Consider also lpp and third party products. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Barnard Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Auto-FTP Does z/OS have a way to automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:54:16 -0600, Craddock, Chris wrote: zAAP engines are a slightly different specialization. They are not visible in the normal scheme of things and they can't field (I/O) interrupts. Is this they can't because of the contents of control register 6, or because of something else? I am not really sure. At some level the I/O interrupt mask has to be off, but the key question is where is that set? Don Deese said that the personality of the cpu is set in the HSA by PR/SM as part of LPAR dispatch. That has the ring of truth about it because among other things, it wouldn't require the overt cooperation of the operating system. z/OS and zVM are both more aware of their environment than zLinux - which basically doesn't care what the engine is. The I/O interrupt issue has me wondering though -- are folks claiming that a zAAP cannot process paging I/O for itself? Surely the JVM is not page- fixed in storage, is it? (I don't see obvious evidence of that on our systems, but they ARE the size of small continents so that might be part of the reason why, I suppose.) I am expecting that the zAAP's control register 6 has a sufficiently 'different' I/O interrupt subclass value to allow for paging I/O and not for normal I/O, thus implementing the spirit of the zAAP nicely. Why do you say that the overhead is greater to dispatch a zAAP than a non-zAAP CPU? (I'm curious.) Well for one thing, when the dispatcher is running on a normal CPU it is already running on the engine where the application code will be dispatched. There is a separate (not externally documented) signaling protocol to get work fired up on a zAAP. Even on its best day that is going to entail more path length than an ordinary dispatch. At least one of the (mumble-multiple) zAAPs here is usually active with mumble-multiple JVMs having available work at most any given point when the sun is visible in the sky here. Often it is more than one zAAP busy. I don't see the non-zAAP working as hard as the zAAPs a lot of the time during the day. Given that environment I don't see why the dispatcher wouldn't dispatch an SRB... especially one involved in fielding page I/O, for example. (But I don't recall having seen one on a zAAP for certain yet, either; I suppose I can go dig through some dumps.) -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
In a recent note unmask] said: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:59:54 -0500 Does z/OS have a way to automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host? Why must it be from JES? How about: o Step 1: write the report to a temporary data set. o Step 2: FTP from the data set to the destination host. o Step 3: IEBGENER the data set to the spool. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How SMFDUMP works?
The output from the MVS operator command D SMF,O will show this and most of the other pertinent SMF configuration information of interest except CISIZE I think. Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Víctor de la Fuente Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How SMFDUMP works? I'm not sure, but, yes I think so. 2006/1/18, Imbriale, Donald (Exchange) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are you using any SMF exits such as IEFU29? Don Imbriale This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
Jeff is asking about a feature that is available with the VSE IP stack's FTP offerings. With them and the proper definitions, Auto-FTP support will automatically FTP a report from the VSE/POWER queues to the desired location anytime a spool entry pops up in a designated output class. There is no additional action required by the user to make the FTP occur. Since he is the author of one of the VSE IP stacks, I suspect he is thinking of a new opportunity. And he may have found one since z/OS TCP/IP does not offer this support as far as I am aware! Chuck Arney illustro Systems International, LLC http://www.illustro.com Access 3270 data from anywhere with z/XML-Host Access 3270 apps from the web with z/Web-Host Access CMS minidisks from OS/390 or VSE with CMSACCess Voice: 972-296-6166 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Auto-FTP In a recent note unmask] said: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:59:54 -0500 Does z/OS have a way to automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host? Why must it be from JES? How about: o Step 1: write the report to a temporary data set. o Step 2: FTP from the data set to the destination host. o Step 3: IEBGENER the data set to the spool. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
I thank you for your consideration. But our operation may be compared to a large (40+kMips) octopus wherein the arms do not always work in sync. Someone else owns the datasets and job. At the moment they are consumed with bringing up two new plexes and at least one new Endeavor environment. And they see others problems through their own eyes. I agree IEBCOPY has no need to use an ENQUE - dataset allocation handles that. And I remember working for a software vendor a decade ago that had a product that did ENQUEs in places where other products by other vendors (such as IBM) did not. I think those products are not used now. I would use an abend but that is politically incorrect when someone else is using (somewhat reluctantly and belatedly) one's code by edict. What I was wondering is, does FIND support (SVC 18) save information about the directory (such as member last fetched and corresponding TTR) bewtwen accesses if the file remains open. And is there anything I have not considered. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDUwrote on 01/19/2006 12:52:56 PM: In a recent note, Knutson, Sam said: Use PDSE The second-best idea. Unfortunately we can't always do it because we share data sets beyond sysplex boundaries. HFS/z/FS shared by NFS might be even better. Use DISP=OLD either on your job or the compress Not always practical for heavily used linklibs and parameter libraries. Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY How do I find that? A search for ENQUEUE in: Title: z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities Document Number: SC26-7414-03 ... returns no hits. Do the queue names and resource names involved require APF? -- gil - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:35:28 -0800, Skip Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A customer's perspective. We recently had a problem for which IBM gave us an APAR test fix. A while later they rewrote the fix so that it hit a different MOD within the same LMOD. In that case, APPLY CHECK failed because the new fix attempted to SUP another sysmod but did not contain the same elements. For that case, SMP/E detects an error and quits. (Goodness.) The proper way out was to RESTORE the first fix, which removed all traces of it from the target zone, then APPLY the new fix. The result was clean: correct version of code, SMP/E happy with all relationships. Thanks for pointing this out. APARs IR44571 and IR46970 show that IBM is sometimes willing to provide enhancements to protect the CSI integrity against unwitting transgressions by providers (even including IBM itself). Maybe there's hope in this case. Interesting. We also discovered our problem when we received a GIM32501E message. (Hmmm. MC says SUPERSEDE; the actual message says SUPERCEDE.) Feels like a SEV4 APAR to me. I vote with MC.) But in our case, the error was detected only the second time we attempted to APPLY the reworked PTF; the CSI was already damaged. I also tried John Eells's suggestion of a coverup PTF; not a new one -- the original offender hadn't shipped yet, so I was free to experiment with it. By adding enough elements, I got the APPLY REDO to work without the GIM32501E. I then did the RESTORE and again tried to APPLY the smaller version. Once again, SMP/E reported GIM32501E on some (but not all) of the MOD elements it earlier reported. This leaves me curious concerning the algorithm used to generate the GIM32501E. What condition in the CSI caused that particular message, and was repaired for you (but not for us) when you RESTOREd the original APAR fix. Although vendors are in the business of crafting PTFs, customers often create usermods and therefore have to deal with the same issues. It's valuable for everyone to understand the process. SMP/E almost always provides a mechanism to correct problems like this. I can't remember the last time we actually had to trash an entire CSI and start over. Thanks for pointing out that the benefits of good validation by SMP/E extend beyond ISVs. If nothing else, by helping us to craft better SYSMODs, IBM keeps their service center phones quieter. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
Maybe you could remove the problem PDS from your JCL and add code to the ASM program to do a dynamic allocate of the PDS (maybe use another parmlib to hold the name of the PDS in case it changes in the future, thus no program changes). If the dynamic allocate fails, issue the STIMER macro, wake up and try the dynamic allocate again. Repeat 'x' times as necessary and if still unsuccessful give up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/19/2006 2:12:15 PM I thank you for your consideration. But our operation may be compared to a large (40+kMips) octopus wherein the arms do not always work in sync. Someone else owns the datasets and job. At the moment they are consumed with bringing up two new plexes and at least one new Endeavor environment. And they see others problems through their own eyes. I agree IEBCOPY has no need to use an ENQUE - dataset allocation handles that. And I remember working for a software vendor a decade ago that had a product that did ENQUEs in places where other products by other vendors (such as IBM) did not. I think those products are not used now. I would use an abend but that is politically incorrect when someone else is using (somewhat reluctantly and belatedly) one's code by edict. What I was wondering is, does FIND support (SVC 18) save information about the directory (such as member last fetched and corresponding TTR) bewtwen accesses if the file remains open. And is there anything I have not considered. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDUwrote on 01/19/2006 12:52:56 PM: In a recent note, Knutson, Sam said: Use PDSE The second-best idea. Unfortunately we can't always do it because we share data sets beyond sysplex boundaries. HFS/z/FS shared by NFS might be even better. Use DISP=OLD either on your job or the compress Not always practical for heavily used linklibs and parameter libraries. Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY How do I find that? A search for ENQUEUE in: Title: z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities Document Number: SC26-7414-03 ... returns no hits. Do the queue names and resource names involved require APF? -- gil - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. The information may also constitute a legally privileged confidential communication. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Arney Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Auto-FTP Jeff is asking about a feature that is available with the VSE IP stack's FTP offerings. With them and the proper definitions, Auto-FTP support will automatically FTP a report from the VSE/POWER queues to the desired location anytime a spool entry pops up in a designated output class. There is no additional action required by the user to make the FTP occur. Since he is the author of one of the VSE IP stacks, I suspect he is thinking of a new opportunity. And he may have found one since z/OS TCP/IP does not offer this support as far as I am aware! Chuck Arney z/OS does not come with such an animal. However, starting with z/OS 1.6, there is a FTP Callable API. I would __think__ that using this facility along with SAPI to retrieve JES sysouts, it would be __relatively__ easy to implement an external writer type facility to read JES outputs and ftp them somewhere. Or maybe even multiple somewheres. If security (encryption) is not an issue, I wouldn't even bother with the above (personally). I would use the standard NPF (free with z/OS) to send the data via the LPD protocol to an LPD server instead of an FTP server. The LPD server would write the data to a file instead of a printer. This should be fairly simple to do using a Linux/Intel system. Now, neither of the two above are likely to be embraced by most companies due to support issues. So a vendor who wrote such a product __might__ have a market for it. Although I know that our company wouldn't buy it (zSeries is moribund), the thought of having an NJE type connection to submit jobs from IP connected servers such as Linux or Windows with the return of the output is very interesting. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
POSIX run-time option vs TSO and Batch
I have a C application that uses Unix Services and therefore has to run with POSIX ON - logic has been added to the C program to display the setting of the POSIX option. This C application is invoked from a COBOL program that is linked with a CEEUOPT module that has the POSIX option turned ON. The COBOL program is used in both a Batch and SPF environment. When the COBOL program is executed in a Batch environment, everything works OK and the C program displays that the POSIX option is ON. When the same COBOL program is executed in the SPF environment with a different driver module than Batch, the C program displays that the POSIX option is OFF and I get the following message: GSKSSL: Unable to create log mutex: EDC5167I Access to the UNIX System Services version of the C RTL is denied For the TSO execution, I placed a RPTOPTS(ON) in the COBOL program and it shows that POSIX is ON but the C program says that it is OFF??? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated since I've been struggling with this problem for over a week. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
Why on earth do you persist in asking for specifics about an implementation that hasn't been authorized by, or even formally proposed to, Congress? Unless funds are appropriated to study implementing such a system, it would be inappropriate for federal employees to spend working hours analyzing the requirements for implementation, given past reluctance of Congress to approve any National ID system. With no specifics on what data would be included in such a system, or who would have access, or what its intended use would be, it is simply impossible to hold any rational discussion about implementation details. Attempts to supply any implementation detail at this point for a hypothetical system with unknown requirements would be worthless speculation. In the remote event that such a proposal were passed by Congress, implementation decisions ultimately depend on who the Executive Branch places in charge. If implementation decisions were to be made by someone with a legitimate computer-science / computer-security expertise, one would expect a choice of hardware, operating system, and application implementation techniques appropriate to the sensitivity of the data, the volume of the data, and the access requirements involved. If decisions were made by a FEMA qualified Bush appointee whose sole talent is ideological loyalty, then we shouldn't be surprised by an implementation on a network of MS Windows platforms, infested by spy ware and viruses, and with no regular backups or any provision for recovery from hardware failures. as400 wrote: As a part of data storage, are the ID cards going to be processed from a system running either a VAX cluster, MVS, z/OS, Solaris, AIX...etc?? Thanks -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, AR[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
I know this has been mentioned before, but why is as400 so insistent on finding out information on how government systems, both real and - like below - possibilities? What do his questions have to do with the purpose of this list? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: National ID card processing? Why on earth do you persist in asking for specifics about an implementation that hasn't been authorized by, or even formally proposed to, Congress? Unless funds are appropriated to study implementing such a system, it would be inappropriate for federal employees to spend working hours analyzing the requirements for implementation, given past reluctance of Congress to approve any National ID system. With no specifics on what data would be included in such a system, or who would have access, or what its intended use would be, it is simply impossible to hold any rational discussion about implementation details. Attempts to supply any implementation detail at this point for a hypothetical system with unknown requirements would be worthless speculation. In the remote event that such a proposal were passed by Congress, implementation decisions ultimately depend on who the Executive Branch places in charge. If implementation decisions were to be made by someone with a legitimate computer-science / computer-security expertise, one would expect a choice of hardware, operating system, and application implementation techniques appropriate to the sensitivity of the data, the volume of the data, and the access requirements involved. If decisions were made by a FEMA qualified Bush appointee whose sole talent is ideological loyalty, then we shouldn't be surprised by an implementation on a network of MS Windows platforms, infested by spy ware and viruses, and with no regular backups or any provision for recovery from hardware failures. as400 wrote: As a part of data storage, are the ID cards going to be processed from a system running either a VAX cluster, MVS, z/OS, Solaris, AIX...etc?? Thanks -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, AR[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Why on earth do you persist in asking for specifics about an implementation that hasn't been authorized by, or even formally proposed to, Congress? There is a *de facto* National ID card known as the Social Security card, which states on its face, Not for identification. There is also the passport, but possession of a passport is far less mandatory than possession of a Social Security card. Indeed, some holders of Social Security cards are not eligible to hold passports. It's easy enough to impute ill intent based on the formulation of the queries posted -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
Have not seen the original posts, but the OP could be talking about an ID system that *is* being developed and deployed nationwide under the US DHD. The first generation of these ID's were mag stripe, but are to be replaced by 'smart cards'. The system is a way to identify trained emergency responders across local, state, and federal jurisdictions. For example, a responder trained and certified in Texas can respond to an emergency in Louisiana. Otherwise, Louisiana authorities have no way of knowing if the person is properly trained or just somebody that thinks they can help. Part of the information is exactly what skills the person has to offer. All professional and volunteer emergency responders nation wide are supposed to have one eventually. Being an untrained, ill prepared, would be 'rescuer' is a leading cause of death or injury in large emergencies. And a huge headache to local authorities trying to cope with a massive disaster. HTH. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: National ID card processing? Why on earth do you persist in asking for specifics about an implementation that hasn't been authorized by, or even formally proposed to, Congress? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS Standard Print Service
Todd Burch wrote on 01/16/2006 03:09:36 PM: Here is perhaps the smallest verb exit I've ever written to demonstrate the blank lines at the top of the IPCS print dataset. There are three blank lines at the top. How do I access these? When I write a REXX routine that call the NOTE command, these blank lines do not exist in the print dataset. Assemble, linkedit, place in a library in your available TSO load libs, and issue verbx miniverb from IPCS option 6. snip I ran the requested experiment and got basically what I expected in the RECFM=VBA data set. The following was cut and pasted from ISPF browse afterward - after turning on its display of control characters: 1COMPON=REAL STORAGE MANAGEMENT,C + 0WHY DOES THIS SHOW UP ON LINE 4? The first line of output from MINIVERB should appear on line 3, following an underscored title line on line 1 and a blank line 2. You've been using the term print dataset which is what I've been addressing, but your script would cause MINIVERB output to be sent to the terminal as a destination unless you added print noterm as options like I did. There I do see 3 blank lines preceding the first one produced by MINIVERB. That's a consequence of PRDMP compatibility as well as some TSO terminal output stream considerations. o PRDMP started the output from all verbs on a new page, but it didn't get around to supporting ADPLEJEC until its final years. ADPLEJEC is the bit that says eject. Old PRDMP exits put out between 60 and 90 blank lines to cause the current page to overflow as a means to get to the top of the next page. o The TSO output stream has no sense of pagination since it originally was written to continuous forms fed through hardcopy terminals like 2741s. IPCS's terminal support tries to make sense of all this by limiting the number of consecutive blank lines that it actually honors and, conversely, by slipping in some (3) blank lines when something nonblank shows up in the output stream. So the 3 blank lines that you see in your terminal output are the consequence of the VERBEXIT subcommand putting out one blank line with a page eject indication before giving control to the exit. Now for some good news since you don't seem fond of the blank lines. There is a NOTOC option on VERBEXIT that suppresses several inherited behaviors related to invoking verb exits, and one of those behaviors is forcing a new page. If you change your invocation to verbx miniverb notoc, you'll have your output start on the first line. (If you say note 'hi' page, you'll get the 3 blank lines before HI.) Bob Wright - MVS Service Aids -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
I agree. Sounds like a troll or someone doing school assignments looking for a quick answer. Don Imbriale -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex R. Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: National ID card processing? I know this has been mentioned before, but why is as400 so insistent on finding out information on how government systems, both real and - like below - possibilities? What do his questions have to do with the purpose of this list? Rex *** Bear Stearns is not responsible for any recommendation, solicitation, offer or agreement or any information about any transaction, customer account or account activity contained in this communication. *** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Max Region and IEFUSI mystery
Hi all, We have an IEFUSI that basically hard codes a region of 64M. ... MVC REGSIZA,REG64MB SET REGION SIZE ABOVE TO 64MB MVC REGLIMA,REG64MB SET REGION LIMIT ABOVE TO 64MB ... REG64MB DCF'67108864' REGION SIZE OF 64MB ... REGLIMA DSF REGION LIMIT ABOVE 16MB REGSIZA DSF REGION SIZE ABOVE 16MB But one of our monitors shows a few of our CICS regions have more than 64M!! I issued a dump for one of these regions and I can see ELIM of 580 (90M?). Where did that come from?! Where should I look? (To my knowledge, we don't have any other exits involved) Region Requested = 200 IEFUSI/SMF Specification = SMFL : 201 SMFEL: 400 SMFR : 200 SMFER: 400 Actual Limit = LIMIT: 9FA000 ELIM : 580 FONT SIZE=1 FACE=ARIAL^ This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. Personal emails are restricted by policy of the State Employees' Credit Union (SECU). Therefore SECU specifically disclaims any responsibility or liability for any personal information or opinions of the author expressed in this email. /FONT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
The I/O interrupt issue has me wondering though -- are folks claiming that a zAAP cannot process paging I/O for itself? A page IO is not necessarily required to be processed on the CP/LP that has the page-faulting task running on it. -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: National ID card processing?
In a message dated 1/19/2006 2:01:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps we should report him to Homeland Security as someone asking sensitive questions about our nation's technical infrastructure? Send him to Hindu Kush as forward observer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:59:54 -0500, Jeffrey Barnard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does z/OS have a way to automatically FTP reports from JES to a destination host? Thanks. Regards, Jeff Hi Jeff, Well FTP has a direct interface with JES2, you can submit a job and receive the output of that particular job using FTP, but that has to be done manualy or using a scheduler product. i recomend you to take a look on Chapter 4. Transferring data using the File Transfer Protocol (FTP) from the z/OS V1R4.0 CS: IP Users Guide and Commands. With the information there you can figure out all the possible combinations that you can do to meet your requirement. Whitouth the scheduler the job that you submit manually will perform an FTP connection, submit the job that generates the report and get the output to a particular host. Regards. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
The suggestion to create a new super-PTF that tries to straighten everything out should work (in principle) mechanically, but as a vendor I would studiously avoid that sort of kludge because it enshrines a developer's experimental efforts in a sysmod. We all try various things that don't work. No use turning a PTF into a trial-and-error blog. ;-) On the other hand, if the earlier PTF(s) had actually been shipped to and installed by customers, then a super-PTF would be need to get them kosher again. That 'super-seed' word, by the way, seems to go either way according to my Random House Unabridged. Should be a gimme in a spelling bee... . . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 01/19/2006 11:21:48 AM: On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:35:28 -0800, Skip Robinson JO.Skip. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Interesting. We also discovered our problem when we received a GIM32501E message. (Hmmm. MC says SUPERSEDE; the actual message says SUPERCEDE.) Feels like a SEV4 APAR to me. I vote with MC.) But in our case, the error was detected only the second time we attempted to APPLY the reworked PTF; the CSI was already damaged. I also tried John Eells's suggestion of a coverup PTF; not a new one -- the original offender hadn't shipped yet, so I was free to experiment with it. By adding enough elements, I got the APPLY REDO to work without the GIM32501E. I then did the RESTORE and again tried to APPLY the smaller version. Once again, SMP/E reported GIM32501E on some (but not all) of the MOD elements it earlier reported. snip -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
In a message dated 1/19/2006 3:34:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On the other hand, if the earlier PTF(s) had actually been shipped to and installed by customers, then a super-PTF would be need to get them kosher again. Yeah, yeah but isn't it packaging of the first part where just about every LKED starts with INCLUDE modname so you gets the merge regardless? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:25:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although I know that our company wouldn't buy it (zSeries is moribund), the thought of having an NJE type connection to submit jobs from IP connected servers such as Linux or Windows with the return of the output is very interesting. The folks at Lead Tools are pretty up to speed already. Their little ePrint server is Linux based and can slice and dice print just about anyway you need it. _http://www.leadtools.com/_ (http://www.leadtools.com/) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL wrote: The I/O interrupt issue has me wondering though -- are folks claiming that a zAAP cannot process paging I/O for itself? A page IO is not necessarily required to be processed on the CP/LP that has the page-faulting task running on it. Yes, I'm aware of that. The question is: can it? -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
(zSeries is moribund) BSBB! I don't know where you stand, but I have senior management coming to me and trying to offload. There has not been a single case where they could justify it. The DINOMYTH is just that! A myth. We have found that the cost per fanny is still lower in the M/F arena. We have over a 100 servers that peak at 15% utilisation. We have a few mainframe that reach lows of 95%. I was on a problem call a couple of weeks ago. The *NIX admin complained that he had never had a server run so 'hot'. It was running at 26%. Fortunately, I was on mute! -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Auto-FTP (zSeries is moribund) BSBB! I don't know where you stand, but I have senior management coming to me and trying to offload. There has not been a single case where they could justify it. The DINOMYTH is just that! A myth. We have found that the cost per fanny is still lower in the M/F arena. We have over a 100 servers that peak at 15% utilisation. We have a few mainframe that reach lows of 95%. I was on a problem call a couple of weeks ago. The *NIX admin complained that he had never had a server run so 'hot'. It was running at 26%. Fortunately, I was on mute! -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! I agree. However the mantra here is Perception is Reality. Our management perceives the zSeries as over priced, under powered (for the price), obsolete technology that is not worth even attempting to upgrade. We are 100% VSAM. We have an Oracle Enterprise license which I was told means we could put Oracle on the z/OS system for no added cost. The person in charge of the database group basically said Forget it. Not going to do it. Go away. Of course, some may say that is good because they dislike Oracle. But it is also bad because the same person is adamantly anti-DB2. Actually, he only likes MS SQL Server because it is from his favorite open system vendor. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS Standard Print Service
Bob, thanks a bunch for taking the time to spell it out for me. Yes, I was saying print dataset while meaning terminal output. OK, so the NOTOC option will fix it. Fantastic! Bob, if you ever get near Katy, Texas (Houston), I'll buy you lunch, or dinner - your choice! Same thing if I ever make it up to POK or wherever it is that you call home. Todd - Original Message - From: Robert Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: Re: IPCS Standard Print Service I ran the requested experiment and got basically what I expected in the RECFM=VBA data set. The following was cut and pasted from ISPF browse afterward - after turning on its display of control characters: 1COMPON=REAL STORAGE MANAGEMENT,C + 0WHY DOES THIS SHOW UP ON LINE 4? The first line of output from MINIVERB should appear on line 3, following an underscored title line on line 1 and a blank line 2. You've been using the term print dataset which is what I've been addressing, but your script would cause MINIVERB output to be sent to the terminal as a destination unless you added print noterm as options like I did. There I do see 3 blank lines preceding the first one produced by MINIVERB. That's a consequence of PRDMP compatibility as well as some TSO terminal output stream considerations. o PRDMP started the output from all verbs on a new page, but it didn't get around to supporting ADPLEJEC until its final years. ADPLEJEC is the bit that says eject. Old PRDMP exits put out between 60 and 90 blank lines to cause the current page to overflow as a means to get to the top of the next page. o The TSO output stream has no sense of pagination since it originally was written to continuous forms fed through hardcopy terminals like 2741s. IPCS's terminal support tries to make sense of all this by limiting the number of consecutive blank lines that it actually honors and, conversely, by slipping in some (3) blank lines when something nonblank shows up in the output stream. So the 3 blank lines that you see in your terminal output are the consequence of the VERBEXIT subcommand putting out one blank line with a page eject indication before giving control to the exit. Now for some good news since you don't seem fond of the blank lines. There is a NOTOC option on VERBEXIT that suppresses several inherited behaviors related to invoking verb exits, and one of those behaviors is forcing a new page. If you change your invocation to verbx miniverb notoc, you'll have your output start on the first line. (If you say note 'hi' page, you'll get the 3 blank lines before HI.) Bob Wright - MVS Service Aids -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
Our management perceives the zSeries as over priced I still get comments like that from my boss and my VP of IT Operations. So, I optimise and I point out the TCO. The problem with the mainframe price model is the up-front costs. We KNOW what it costs. The problem with the other platforms is the hidden costs. We don't know what it truly costs. If we did a true (forensic) audit of costs, we would see that the $/butt is smaller in the M/F arena! -teD Me? A skeptic? I trust you have proof! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
Tom Schmidt wrote: Yes, I'm aware of that. The question is: can it? zAAPs look (essentially) just like any other processor to z/OS. They have PCCA/LCCA like any other processor and are differentiated from GCPs by testing the PCCAIFA flag. Anyway, a quick look at PCCACRG6 for a zAAP would go a long way toward answering these kinds of questions empirically. In addition, I suspect you could look at the zAAP LCCAs to see some various other control registers of interest saved at various times... -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 1/19/2006 1:25:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although I know that our company wouldn't buy it (zSeries is moribund), the thought of having an NJE type connection to submit jobs from IP connected servers such as Linux or Windows with the return of the output is very interesting. Actually, we already an NJE/IP Bridge product that provides NJE over TCP/IP support for MVS, OS/390, z/OS JES2/JES3. Heck, NJE/IP Bridge will even turn any PC into an NJE node using TCP/IP to talk to z/OS, z/VM, Linux on zSeries or other PC's. And that is an option for this customer but they wanted to know about a facility for automatically FTPing the reports first. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Sounds like a simple REXX EXEC could scan the JES queue for a specific class, generate JCL and submit the batch FTP job to process the entry. Regards, Jeff -- Jeffrey C Barnard Barnard Software, Inc. http://www.bsiopti.com Phone 407-323-4773 Fax 407-323-4775 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 12:36 PM, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY What ENQ? AFAIK it doesn't issue one. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 10:54 AM, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is a separate (not externally documented) signaling protocol to get work fired up on a zAAP. Are you sure it's not a normal shoulder tap? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 12:40 PM, Tom Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The I/O interrupt issue has me wondering though -- are folks claiming that a zAAP cannot process paging I/O for itself? Surely the JVM is not page-fixed in storage, is it? Surely it does not need to do its own I/O. Presumably the zAAP is as capable of issuing a shoulder tap as any other processor. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does DDNAME?? override SUBSYS??
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2006 at 11:53 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: WTF SJF? Scheduler JCL Facility was introduced in MVS/SP 1.3 to support the OUTPUT statement. It allowed adding new JCL statements and new keywords on existing statements. I have heard tales that the JCL C/I is FUBAR (Beyond Ability to Repair), and development is afraid to replace or significantly modify it. I'm not sure that I believe it. certainly the code in the old R/I was cleaner than, e.g., the Initiator. Take IEFZGST1 and IEFZGST2 - please! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Does SMP/E APPLY REDO Replace or Merge?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/18/2006 at 11:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Suppose I build a PTF and APPLY it. I have second thoughts, and rebuild it with a considerably different set of elements from the original; RECEIVE; and APPLY REDO. Is the result the same as if the earlier version had never existed and only the later were APPLYed, or is it some sort of merging of the two different versions? No. The result is instant seppukko. Recent unpleasant experience suggests that it merges rather than replaces: It replaces what is in the new PTF. It does not RESTORE elements affected by the old PTF. How do I undo this mess? A new PTF, listing the old one in SUP and containing the correct level of every element replaced by either. This surely provokes a wishlist item: If I attempt APPLY REDO, and there are elements in the target zone with the RMID of the PTF, but not in the PTF itself, SMP/E should report an error and fail the APPLY. That sounds reasonable; have you submitted a requirement? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IPCS Standard Print Service
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 03:10 PM, Robert Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: o The TSO output stream has no sense of pagination since it originally was written to continuous forms fed through hardcopy terminals like 2741s. I never saw continuous forms on a 2741, only perforated. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: REXX Problem
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 02:58 AM, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Earlier in this thread you criticized the practice of using address env buffer each time as being inefficient. Not that I recall; I criticized doing *both* and address env *and* doing address env buffer as inefficient. I think you are nitpicking here One man's nit is another man's ABEND. perhaps I should have used address statement execution instead of call But the reference to PUSH/POP would still have been incorrect. The PUSH/POP method is used to maintain the address environment between executions of the address env buffer statement. What PUSH/POP method and why do you need to maintain an environment that doesn't change? I can appreciate that some coding techniques appeal to some whilst not to others - if this is just such a case then so be it and we can each agree to stick with our own gods. As long as I don't inherit it, I don't mind how cluttered your code gets. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01/19/2006 at 12:36 PM, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY What ENQ? AFAIK it doesn't issue one. Probably meant the binder ... -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM High Level Assembler for Linux on zSeries
IBM recently announced the availability of HLASM for Linux on zSeries, as PRPQ 5799-TCQ. It is fully compatible with HLASM on the current MVS, CMS, and VSE operating systems, and can generate the ELF object format as well as the traditional OBJ and GOFF formats. John Ehrman (ehrmanATvnet.ibm.com) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Question
Pat, You're right - in principle. CS IP developers are also right - but unimaginative. RFC 2355 asserts that there are two types of TN3270E server logic: One where the SSCP-LU session is available and USS commands and messages can be passed through and one where there is no access to the SSCP-LU session. The SSCP-LU session is available where the TN3270E server logic is supported on an SNA Type 2.1 or 2.0 node with SSCP-dependent PU and LUs. This is what you call the outboard emulator. I wonder what was in the mind of the RFC writer when he specified the other type of TN3270E server logic which does not have access to the SSCP-LU session, probably a server as a VTAM application but he doesn't say so. But, but, but a VTAM application can access SSCP-LU functions for session termination through the TERMSESS macro. What it cannot do is define itself to VTAM as being able to send USS commands to the SSCP and receive USS messages. RFC 2355 does not envisage the TN3270E server logic supporting a USS table in the same way that VTAM does but the CS IP TN3270E server logic does this for LOGON support. Combining TERMSESS capability and USS table support, the same USS service can be offered to a TN3270E client as TN3270E server logic with USS passthrough capability does also for LOGOFF support. This would incidentally necessarily include support for USS messages - including the famous USS message 5. Protocols are all about appearances. The CS IP TELNET server is not a Type 2.0 or 2.1 node with USS passthrough support but it can behave to the client as if it was - and does so already for LOGON support. My proposal is that the CS IP TELNET server should behave as if it was also for LOGOFF support. Note the benefit of having potentially the same behaviour at the TN3270E client whether the server has USS passthrough support (where the USS table in VTAM is used) or the server is pretending to have USS passthrough support (where the USS table in CS IP TN3270E server logic is used). To my mind the point about not following the RFC is irrelevant since the CS IP TN3270E server logic would be claiming USS passthrough capability as defined in the RFC rather than the lack of USS capability. We can forget about these poor implementations of TN3270E which can't play USS and the TN3270E clients need never encounter such a poor server. The RFC is actually wrong is specifying the two types so rigidly. It ought to distinguish between TN3270E server implementations which can support USS no matter how and those which cannot. (Perhaps I can send in a comment on these lines.) The CS IP TN3270E server logic is currently behaving as the former for LOGON support but behaving as the latter for LOGOFF support. This is obviously not consistent although I appreciate the RFC only worries about this capability issue in connection with LOGOFF support. A minor point, having now read the RFC - again, is that the CS IP TN3270E server logic does not follow the RFC in its implementation of the lack of USS capability LOGOFF support since the sequence is that used by VTAM non-SNA 3270 support rather than that defined by the RFC. Finally I should mention 'ibmtest. Back in 1969 when I participated in the UK On-line Diagnostics project the need was felt for a means to run basic tests to exercise the teleprocessing devices. In those days that meant 1050s and 2740s and the like. Since a component of these devices was the typewriter printer, there was a need to invoke test printouts. The project was aimed at being able to enter the test mode without the knowledge of the BTAM application program driving the device, then running the tests and finally returning control to the multiple wait within the BTAM program. When VTAM/SNA came along there was still one direct descendant of those devices, namely the 3767. I have always taken account of the ibmtest USS function when teaching USS but I've never seen too much of a use for it with 3270 devices. Perhaps it was created only to be a test facility for the 3767 - and maybe the 3770 series of SNA devices which could claim to be a descendant of the dearly remembered 1050 system. Anyhow I'm not going to insist on ibmtest support with TN3270E server logic. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, 18 January, 2006 9:55 PM Subject: Re: TN3270 Question On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:16:40 +0100, Chris Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Once you do find the SysRq key, you can enter logoff without the quotation marks* and VTAM, performing its SSCP role, will terminate the session between the application and the TELNET logical unit (LU) managed by the TELNET 3270 server. Ideally you could have the possibility to determine the degree of prejudice you apply to the session termination request by specifying whether the application is to be asked politely, TYPE(COND) - COND for conditional,
Re: Billing for SRB Time
On Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:06:09 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: On 01/19/2006 at 12:40 PM, I said: The I/O interrupt issue has me wondering though -- are folks claiming that a zAAP cannot process paging I/O for itself? Surely the JVM is not page-fixed in storage, is it? Surely it does not need to do its own I/O. Presumably the zAAP is as capable of issuing a shoulder tap as any other processor. The zAAP may not have a need to use the 360-MP shoulder tap technique to start I/Os or to field I/O interrupts. (I haven't found an appropriate dump yet - I have other things to do now.) But I wouldn't actually suspect it uses that antique technique since (a) zAAPs are limited to processors using PR/SM and (b) Chris, whom I trust, said they don't use it. PR/SM definitely treats the zAAPs special so there may well be sneaky hipervisor techniques used to signal the processors... especially if the processors needing to be signalled are cross-book, for example. I haven't even established whether zAAPs run enabled or disabled for I/O interrupts yet... if they ran disabled for I/O they would, of course, run a lot faster. (I know that I work a lot faster when I'm disabled for interrupts.) Up until they needed to be fed more data; then... not so much faster. The JVMs that run on them certainly have huge working sets so they maybe just suck it all into storage via the general CPs before they duck under the zAAP cloak to do the 'deep computing' and then pop back from Narnia with the answers to life, the universe everything. I'd be surprised with that outcome but it is, after all, less weird than the things that Orvyl did decades ago at Stanford. (Yes, I know, Orvyl did I/O, but it mostly did its own I/O and pretty much ignored the MVS I/O until it was good ready to give control back to MVS.) Its on my list of things to learn (after I get done with more things to learn about CICS file control which I'm waist-deep in this month next). -- Tom Schmidt Madison, WI (All of the zAAP stuff seems like a shameful waste of creative programming by Greg D. Co. just to keep the ISVs from draining the customer base dry.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
McKown, John wrote: Begin Snip -- End Snip -- Actually, he only likes MS SQL Server because it is from his favorite open system vendor. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology Of couse its open, it allows any and all viruses/worms/trojans in. How much more open do you want it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Billing for SRB Time
The zAAP may not have a need to use the 360-MP shoulder tap technique to start I/Os or to field I/O interrupts. (I haven't found an appropriate dump yet - I have other things to do now.) But I wouldn't actually suspect it uses that antique technique since (a) zAAPs are limited to processors using PR/SM and (b) Chris, whom I trust, said they don't use it. PR/SM definitely treats the zAAPs special so there may well be sneaky hipervisor techniques used to signal the processors... especially if the processors needing to be signalled are cross-book, for example. Thanks for the vote of confidence Tom, but I don't think that's really what I said. I don't know exactly how dispatching is done on the zAAP. From conversations with BCP folks and knowing a bit about the innards of the OS, I can speculate how it might be done, but that's all. To the best of my knowledge the actual workings are undisclosed. I haven't even established whether zAAPs run enabled or disabled for I/O interrupts yet... if they ran disabled for I/O they would, of course, run a lot faster. I have not actually looked at a zAAP to be sure, but I am almost certain they do run disabled for interrupts. That isn't so odd, since most of the engines in a multi-engine LPAR are actually disabled for interrupts most of the time. Think CPENABLE. What's actually going on under the covers in that case is that the OS disables interrupts via the control register, so the state of the I/O interrupt mask in the PSW is irrelevant. The PSW mask has to be and-ed with the control register, so no interrupts are actually seen by that engine, even though it nominally appears to be enabled for interrupts. The system selectively enables more engines for fielding I/O interrupts based on the number of interrupts handled via TPI. It's a throughput versus responsiveness trade-off. Given the limitations of zAAPs there would be no reason to enable one for I/O interrupts. (All of the zAAP stuff seems like a shameful waste of creative programming by Greg D. Co. just to keep the ISVs from draining the customer base dry.) Pretty much. Greg, Peter Relson and others burned a lot of cycles doing it. My question at the time was... couldn't you just have implemented separate accounting fields for JVM work? Apparently lawyers were involved in making that decision, so this is what we get for allowing lawyers to dictate system design. CC -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Auto-FTP
On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: (zSeries is moribund) BSBB! Well, if zSeries is then TSO is deader than a doornail:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What does XL of XL C/C++ mean?
Hi all, As of z/OS V1R7, the z/OS C/C++ compiler has been rebranded to z/OS XL C/C++. What does XL of XL C/C++ mean? Thank you for your time! Best Regards, Xie, Bo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Two silly questions about USS or OMVS on Z/OS
The command response in the text of your email was very hard to read, no doubt due to some translations (code page?) along the way. There were two characters that did not display correctly on my PC. I have to wonder if that is somehow connected??? It sure is! As I have tried to explain earlier, Josef is running his emulator with a German code page (273 or 1141) but his shell session is running in the default locale which means it is using code page 1047. The error message is coded to send square brackets and these are encoded in code page 1047, i.e. X'AD' and x'BD'. If those characters are the displayed in the emulator using code page 1141 they show up as Ý and ¨. Let's put the blame on Windows. ;-) While I usually agree, it is not involved this time ;-) BTW, I'm talking about z/OS UNIX not about z/OS MVS. The latter is much less multicultural. MVS commands expect text to be encoded in code page 037, so does TSO. Fortunately both MVS commands and TSO are only using characters that are code page invariant. (I never dealt with a Kanji MVS, so I can't tell how this works.) REXX is always expecting its code to be in code page 037 (here we go again: German code page users need to use the exclamation point when REXX actually wants a verical bar.) This applies also to REXX scripts run from a shell session. ISPF is somewhat customizable (Don't ask me details, I never fully got it). This list is not exhaustive. Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Another fine mess ...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I thank you for your consideration. But our operation may be compared to a large (40+kMips) octopus wherein the arms do not always work in sync. Someone else owns the datasets and job. At the moment they are consumed with bringing up two new plexes and at least one new Endeavor environment. And they see others problems through their own eyes. I agree IEBCOPY has no need to use an ENQUE - dataset allocation handles that. And I remember working for a software vendor a decade ago that had a product that did ENQUEs in places where other products by other vendors (such as IBM) did not. I think those products are not used now. I would use an abend but that is politically incorrect when someone else is using (somewhat reluctantly and belatedly) one's code by edict. What I was wondering is, does FIND support (SVC 18) save information about the directory (such as member last fetched and corresponding TTR) bewtwen accesses if the file remains open. And is there anything I have not considered. IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDUwrote on 01/19/2006 12:52:56 PM: In a recent note, Knutson, Sam said: Use PDSE The second-best idea. Unfortunately we can't always do it because we share data sets beyond sysplex boundaries. HFS/z/FS shared by NFS might be even better. Use DISP=OLD either on your job or the compress Not always practical for heavily used linklibs and parameter libraries. Change your code to do the same enqueue used by IEBCOPY How do I find that? A search for ENQUEUE in: Title: z/OS V1R7.0 DFSMSdfp Utilities Document Number: SC26-7414-03 ... returns no hits. Do the queue names and resource names involved require APF? -- gil Another possible solution is to eliminate (more or less) the compress. Make it 10 times its current size and try to find a quiet moment to compress the dataset, e.g. in the weekend. A next solution is to bring it under PDSMAN Space Reuse control. This gives you automatic compress like PDSE, without the PDSE restrictions. To clear my confusion: Gil, are you rkuebbin? Kees. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
