Re: SMF LOGGER - Not Ready for Prime Time

2009-05-11 Thread Barbara Nitz
Mark,

Why not?  Didn't you say it was only a problem a system shutdown time?  
Do you care about some extra paging while you shut down?

Your question made me look up the system commands book. Yes, there is a 
setsmf command that would allow me to only increase the buffer size during 
shutdown! (I'll try to get that implemented - thanks). My colleagues refused to 
have them permanently set to 1G, because on these lpars the same workload 
executes as in production (they use production data sent over for testing), 
only with a lot less resources. And these systems have an average usage of 
20% for all our page data sets, so there is enough paging going on already! 

As for how logger works: Here is my understanding, and this appears to be 
true in 1.8 still:

Assuming log streams mapped to a structure, any data written to the log 
stream will end up first in the structure. Once the structure is filled 80% 
(the 
default or whatever is set for LOGR parm HIGHOFFLOAD) for either entries or 
elements, LOGR will start a race condition across all IXGLOGR address spaces 
connected to this logstream to do the offload. Whichever system wins that 
race will write out data to DASD. (LOGGERDUPLEX(UNCOND) would harden the 
data immediately to DASD in the duplex data sets, conditional LOGR duplexing 
only if the structure is in a volatile CF - the normal place to hold all data 
sent 
to the CF is storage, data space, I think).

During shutdown there is always offload done called 'directed offload'. I just 
checked the last IPLs for operlog, and msgIXG303I is issued from a system 
that *is not* shut down, after the vary xcf,offline command.

So for SMF log streams the behaviour should be the same: Directed offload 
from *another* system to get the data out to DASD where they can be read 
in again later. Now, when a *sysplex-wide* IPL is done, then there is 
no 'surviving' system, and the system where the v xcf,offline is done *last*, 
ends up doing the directed offloads. That goes on until an actual wait state is 
loaded on the last system, too. 

Three systems plex, A, B and C: C is shut down via v xcf,offline. B does 
directed offload. While that is still running (and no way to *see* it is 
running), 
B gets v xcf,offline. The loading of the wait state will interrupt offload 
processing, possibly leaving log streams corrupted.

So my understanding is that the requirement is to only allow the wait state for 
the *last* system in the plex until offload is done *or* (more probable) to 
*not* issue the IEE334I HALT EOD SUCCESSFUL  message until the SMF log 
data offload is complete. (Which may be hard to do as it requires XCF 
communication to find out when *another* system has finished, or else to 
change the logger design to do directed offload on the same system).

The way I see it, first order of business is to turn on LOGGERDUPLEX
(UNCOND). 
Next order of business is to write an MPF exit that changes 
IXG304I DIRECTED OFFLOAD FOR LOGSTREAM smf-whatever-the-name IS 
COMPLETE
so that it is not issued hardcopy only but instead red on the console. 
Operators need to get threatened with termination if they dare to issue the v 
xcf,offline command to another system *before* that message was issued. 
(Mark, sysprogs too, if too many of them are shutting down systems at the 
same time causing sysplex-IPLs :-) ).

Did IBM ask to turn on loggerduplex(uncond)?

Best regards, Barbara

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2009-05-11 Thread Barbara Nitz
Darren
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Now, what does *that* mean? :-)  Still owner as in 'they're trying to take 
the list away from me'? I sincerely hope not!

Regards, Barbara

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2009-05-11 Thread Steven Liston
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IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

2009-05-11 Thread Bill Klein
Are there any IMS systems programmers or even application programmers at
your shop?  It seems to me that you are starting out of your depth. any
way, you may want to look at:
   http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dfsisdf9/4.8.1


for JCL to start a MPR.

If you are actually trying to test an application program, then I would
strongly suggest starting with something like BTS - rather than trying to
start your own control region and MPR.

Can you tell us the actual task you are trying to accomplish as well as
what existing IMS personnel there is at your shop?

It has been a LONG time since I had to do much of this, but as I recall,
almost NOTHING that you should be doing needs (or should be) done from the
master console - which seems to be where you are doing almost everything.

David Logan loga3...@comcast.net wrote in message
news:001001c9d1bb$d89ac140$89d043...@net...
 OK, yes, I am remembering now. Man, I hate IMS :)  I really need to get
 better versed in it.
 
 Anyway, what's happening is that IMS isn't automatically starting any of
my
 MPP regions. When I try to start them with /START REGION xxx, I get a
whole
 bunch of MPP regions that all say:
 
 DFS690A IMS91M11.REGION.IMS91M11 - CTL PGM NOT ACTIVE, REPLY 'WAIT',
 'CANCEL' OR 'ALT-ID'
 
 And yet again, the message manual explains the obvious (such as if a
 control region is going to come up soon, reply wait.) It doesn't explain
 what I should be doing to figure out why it's not seeing a control region
 that is *supposed* to be running.
 
 So what are the MPP regions looking for that it doesn't have? The IMS ID
 seems to be fine. The MPP regions have IMSID=IMS1, and the IMS control
 region has IMS1 in it's operator reply, so it *looks* like the IMS IDs
 match.
 
 David Logan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
 Of Jim Thomas
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:30 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?
 
 Not into IMS either but ... 
 
 I think you'd need an MPR / MPP available first... (start an MPR / MPP and
 then issue a /DIS A)
 
 First off ... assuming that the transaction was call TEST01, clear your
 screen and key in TEST01_ where the '_' is meant to be a space. 
 
 If that does not work, you're likely missing an /ASS TRANS TEST01 CLASS ??
 where the '??' would be class available on the MPR / MPP and defined to
the
 TEST01 transaction. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
 Of David Logan
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: FW: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?
 
 Hi guys. Sorry, but I am not very well versed in IMS, and I sure am
missing
 something. I want to run an IMS transaction, but no matter what I do, all
I
 get is:
 
  
 
 DFS064 11:46:46 DESTINATION CAN NOT BE FOUND OR CREATED
 
  
 
 I've looked this message up in various places, but I have found nothing at
 all useful to resolving it. What am I missing? This is IMS V9 under z/OS
 1.8. It's got default security, which means it won't let me do hardly
 anything via terminal commands, I have to do everything via message
replies
 on the master console. I have done a /START DC, although I don't know
how
 to tell if it was successful.
 
  
 
 OK, I've provided the information I can think of to provide. Any
 suggestions?
 
  
 
 Thanks!
 
  
 
 David Logan
 
  
 
 
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Re: Accessing a big sequential file

2009-05-11 Thread Clark, Kevin
The UNIX TAIL command could be used. You should be able to access the files via 
Batch OMVS. 
Kevin 



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Hi listers!

Do you have any idea on how to get only the last record of a very big file
using either REXX or some other method? I will want to prevent reading all file
records in any any case.

Best regards and thanks!

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Re: MQ Monitor

2009-05-11 Thread Clark, Kevin
Bill, 
 
Q PASA is an excellant monitor, As far I  know the best monitor for other 
platforms. 
 
I have only recently used CA-SYSVIEW with the MQ upgrade and found it more than 
adequate. 
 
Kevin 



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We are looking at 3 monitors for MQ. Can anyone provide a recommendation for 
any of them?

Q Pasa from MQ Software
TMON for MQ from ASG
IBM's Tivoli product. (Omegamon MQ)




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Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

2009-05-11 Thread David Logan
I am the systems programmer. (and I have been one for some 20 years, but I
have never run an IMS region.) I took over for a previous systems
programmer, so I haven't even run an install yet. I am trying to find the
most expedient way to understand my problem without having to walk through
an entire install and set up everything manually myself, which of course is
what I would normally do if I weren't taking over for somebody else :)

Anyway, I *have* JCL, and it's already customized for this IMS region. It
occurred to me that I couldn't find his STG1MACS, so I redid it from the one
in IMS910.IMSGEN.CNTL, and maybe there was a parameter discrepancy. So I set
IMSID=IMS1 in there and reran my stage1/stage2. It didn't help. Then I
discovered that my MPP regions also wanted the previous IMSID (which was
IVP1.) But instead of fixing all of that right now, I just did /R XX,IMS1 to
each of my MPP regions, and they all came up.

However, when I run my G1CP transaction, I get exactly the same response:

DFS064 06:23:22 DESTINATION CAN NOT BE FOUND OR CREATED

My main frustration (other than the perceived complexity of IMS) is that
there is no actual information associated with this error message. I'm not
sure what commands to issue to look to see if things are up, I'm not sure
what parts to look for to see if things are running or connected, I'm simply
not sure what it wants that it doesn't have. After a previous responder
mentioned having MPP regions running, I though Oh yeah! because I had
forgotten about those :) But now they appear to be running, and yet no
improvement.

*sigh*

Thanks for the help. I will keep looking for answers.

David Logan

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Bill Klein
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:45 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

Are there any IMS systems programmers or even application programmers at
your shop?  It seems to me that you are starting out of your depth. any
way, you may want to look at:
   http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/dfsisdf9/4.8.1


for JCL to start a MPR.

If you are actually trying to test an application program, then I would
strongly suggest starting with something like BTS - rather than trying to
start your own control region and MPR.

Can you tell us the actual task you are trying to accomplish as well as
what existing IMS personnel there is at your shop?

It has been a LONG time since I had to do much of this, but as I recall,
almost NOTHING that you should be doing needs (or should be) done from the
master console - which seems to be where you are doing almost everything.

David Logan loga3...@comcast.net wrote in message
news:001001c9d1bb$d89ac140$89d043...@net...
 OK, yes, I am remembering now. Man, I hate IMS :)  I really need to get
 better versed in it.
 
 Anyway, what's happening is that IMS isn't automatically starting any of
my
 MPP regions. When I try to start them with /START REGION xxx, I get a
whole
 bunch of MPP regions that all say:
 
 DFS690A IMS91M11.REGION.IMS91M11 - CTL PGM NOT ACTIVE, REPLY 'WAIT',
 'CANCEL' OR 'ALT-ID'
 
 And yet again, the message manual explains the obvious (such as if a
 control region is going to come up soon, reply wait.) It doesn't explain
 what I should be doing to figure out why it's not seeing a control region
 that is *supposed* to be running.
 
 So what are the MPP regions looking for that it doesn't have? The IMS ID
 seems to be fine. The MPP regions have IMSID=IMS1, and the IMS control
 region has IMS1 in it's operator reply, so it *looks* like the IMS IDs
 match.
 
 David Logan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
 Of Jim Thomas
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:30 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?
 
 Not into IMS either but ... 
 
 I think you'd need an MPR / MPP available first... (start an MPR / MPP and
 then issue a /DIS A)
 
 First off ... assuming that the transaction was call TEST01, clear your
 screen and key in TEST01_ where the '_' is meant to be a space. 
 
 If that does not work, you're likely missing an /ASS TRANS TEST01 CLASS ??
 where the '??' would be class available on the MPR / MPP and defined to
the
 TEST01 transaction. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf
 Of David Logan
 Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: FW: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?
 
 Hi guys. Sorry, but I am not very well versed in IMS, and I sure am
missing
 something. I want to run an IMS transaction, but no matter what I do, all
I
 get is:
 
  
 
 DFS064 11:46:46 DESTINATION CAN NOT BE FOUND OR CREATED
 
  
 
 I've looked this message up in various places, but I have found nothing at
 all useful to resolving it. What am I missing? This is 

Re: Validating Addrees

2009-05-11 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sat, 9 May 2009 16:35:58 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

2009/5/8 Joe Reichman wrote:

  would anyone know if you have a stroage address to determine its nature

 e.g. CSA SQA etc.

 would I have to check all of the entries in the LDA ..GDA


 Keep in mind that in many cases the attributes can change
between the time you check, and the time you (or some service or
program you call) actually uses the storage.

And Binyamin made a similar comment.

What do you mean by this?  If you determine that an address is in CSA, it
will continue to be a CSA address.  Of course, that location could no longer
be allocated to the same address space, or indeed any address space.  In
addition, the location could have been converted to SQA, I suppose, or have
been used to hold a dynamic LPA module.  Is that what you are talking about?

-- 
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Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

2009-05-11 Thread Jim Thomas
Can you find the IMS applid of the CTRL region and logon to it ? .. If so,
once logged in, issue a /DIS A and see if the MPP / MPR regions are waiting
and if so, in what class .. Try assigning (/ASS) the transaction to that 
class  

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Subject: Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

OK, yes, I am remembering now. Man, I hate IMS :)  I really need to get
better versed in it.

Anyway, what's happening is that IMS isn't automatically starting any of my
MPP regions. When I try to start them with /START REGION xxx, I get a whole
bunch of MPP regions that all say:

DFS690A IMS91M11.REGION.IMS91M11 - CTL PGM NOT ACTIVE, REPLY 'WAIT',
'CANCEL' OR 'ALT-ID'

And yet again, the message manual explains the obvious (such as if a
control region is going to come up soon, reply wait.) It doesn't explain
what I should be doing to figure out why it's not seeing a control region
that is *supposed* to be running.

So what are the MPP regions looking for that it doesn't have? The IMS ID
seems to be fine. The MPP regions have IMSID=IMS1, and the IMS control
region has IMS1 in it's operator reply, so it *looks* like the IMS IDs
match.

David Logan

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of Jim Thomas
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:30 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

Not into IMS either but ... 

I think you'd need an MPR / MPP available first... (start an MPR / MPP and
then issue a /DIS A)

First off ... assuming that the transaction was call TEST01, clear your
screen and key in TEST01_ where the '_' is meant to be a space. 

If that does not work, you're likely missing an /ASS TRANS TEST01 CLASS ??
where the '??' would be class available on the MPR / MPP and defined to the
TEST01 transaction. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf
Of David Logan
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:52 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: FW: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

Hi guys. Sorry, but I am not very well versed in IMS, and I sure am missing
something. I want to run an IMS transaction, but no matter what I do, all I
get is:

 

DFS064 11:46:46 DESTINATION CAN NOT BE FOUND OR CREATED

 

I've looked this message up in various places, but I have found nothing at
all useful to resolving it. What am I missing? This is IMS V9 under z/OS
1.8. It's got default security, which means it won't let me do hardly
anything via terminal commands, I have to do everything via message replies
on the master console. I have done a /START DC, although I don't know how
to tell if it was successful.

 

OK, I've provided the information I can think of to provide. Any
suggestions?

 

Thanks!

 

David Logan

 


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Re: Validating Addrees

2009-05-11 Thread Bill Fairchild
Look at the IARR2V macro in Authorized Assembler Services, especially at what 
is returned in register 0.

Bill Fairchild

Software Developer 
Rocket Software
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Tel: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715
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Subject: Validating Addrees

Hi 

 would anyone know if you have a stroage address to determine its nature

e.g. CSA SQA etc.


would I have to check all of the entries in the LDA ..GDA


or is the best way to invoke VSM. macros LSIT RGN etc


or is a combination of all these methods


  thankx in advance  

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Re: SPF-Lite (Shareware) for a SPF Clone; Yes, IBM did sell ISPF for the PC in 1986

2009-05-11 Thread McKown, John
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 Subject: SPF-Lite (Shareware) for a SPF Clone; Yes, IBM did 
 sell ISPF for the PC in 1986
 
 Here is another SPF clone for the PC . . . . shareware at 
 $20.  It's called SFP-Lite.  The current version is 2.16, 
 December, 2008.
 
 
 Bill Smith
 
 Principal Software Engineer
 
 spfl...@gmail.com
 
 http://spflite.co.nr/

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Intel PC. I don't use Windows. I use both Mac and Linux. I know, I know, 
everybody says that. It is just becoming another of my points of irritation 
and I'm off to a bad start this week. No offense meant.

/warning

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SDSF problem in basic sysplex with mixed releases.

2009-05-11 Thread McKown, John
This is just a question. Does anybody out there run SDSF in a basic sysplex 
where one member is on z/OS 1.8 and another on z/OS 1.10? If so, did you have 
any problems with the SDSF DA display on 1.8 when the first system went to 1.10?

What we have is that with both systems at 1.8, there were no problems. When I 
upgraded one system to 1.10, all of a sudden the 1.8 system's SDSF DA display 
has two know problems. First, it will not show the jobs on the 1.10 system. 
Second, it will not display the SRVCLASS column. It displays COLUMN NOT FOUND.

I did update the z/OS 1.8 system with the compatibility PTFs, so it is possible 
that (1) they caused the problem or (2) I missed something.

So, all I'm asking is: Is SDSF DA working for anybody out there who mixes 1.8 
and 1.10 in the same sysplex?

Many thanks.

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Re: SMF LOGGER - Not Ready for Prime Time

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 10 May 2009 10:47:36 -0500, Jim Marshall jim.marsh...@opm.gov wrote:

 But I think IBM
was remiss in not understanding the full ramifications of how they have sites
implement the LOGGER. If they would have talked to some savy users, then
could have made the journey much smoother. 

That was apparent from the first time real presentation I saw at SHARE.  And
we've already had plenty of past discussions about that.   

At this point I still have no plans to implement it since the old way can keep
up at our shop and have never had problems with lost SMF data.  I do like 
the concept of multiple logstreams and the convenience it may eventually
bring, but for now we'll just split off the different files during our nightly 
processing.I do have it running in some sandbox LPARs where we 
don't care about SMF data.  In the past, those LPARs just dumped to a GDG
in case we wanted the data later or dumped to DD DUMMY.  

Mark
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Re: IMS - how do I run an interactive transaction?

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Zelden
I can barely spell IMS...  but I thought it was

/SET TRANSACTION xxx.  

Then type the transaction name.  

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On Sun, 10 May 2009 12:30:01 -0500, Jim Thomas j...@thethomasresidence.us
wrote:

Not into IMS either but ...

I think you'd need an MPR / MPP available first... (start an MPR / MPP and
then issue a /DIS A)

First off ... assuming that the transaction was call TEST01, clear your
screen and key in TEST01_ where the '_' is meant to be a space.

If that does not work, you're likely missing an /ASS TRANS TEST01 CLASS ??
where the '??' would be class available on the MPR / MPP and defined to the
TEST01 transaction.

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Hi guys. Sorry, but I am not very well versed in IMS, and I sure am missing
something. I want to run an IMS transaction, but no matter what I do, all I
get is:



DFS064 11:46:46 DESTINATION CAN NOT BE FOUND OR CREATED



I've looked this message up in various places, but I have found nothing at
all useful to resolving it. What am I missing? This is IMS V9 under z/OS
1.8. It's got default security, which means it won't let me do hardly
anything via terminal commands, I have to do everything via message replies
on the master console. I have done a /START DC, although I don't know how
to tell if it was successful.



OK, I've provided the information I can think of to provide. Any
suggestions?



Thanks!



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Re: How to display Stars for Password in ISPF

2009-05-11 Thread Chase, John
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell
 
 
 In a message dated 5/8/2009 4:06:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
 esst...@juno.com writes:
 
 You could set the attribute of a Password field as DARK UNPROTECTED or
 DARK FSET. The Data would not be displayed and will be returned to the
 application program.
 
 
 
 Set background and foreground to same color?  Don't laugh, had a
SevCrit
 from a frustrated user wanting to know why the M/F  was down?
 Well nothing we had showed it was even  busy. Off to the
races...manager
 and VP in tow. Yep, 'I like blue...' set for  foreground and
background in the
 emulator.

You can't make it idiot-proof.  :-)

-jc-

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Re: How to display Stars for Password in ISPF

2009-05-11 Thread Ed Finnell
 
In a message dated 5/11/2009 8:48:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
jch...@ussco.com writes:

You can't make it idiot-proof.  :-)



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EKM and Hash Keys

2009-05-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have not worked with this yet.  My 3rd party wants me to use HASH instead of 
Dataclas for encrypting a tape. (I think I understood that correctly???)

So what is the difference between using a HASH KEY and a DATACLAS with EKM?

I am reading the books, but I still get lost in them.

Lizette

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Re: EKM and Hash Keys

2009-05-11 Thread Paolo Cacciari
I have not worked with this yet.  My 3rd party wants me to use HASH 
instead of Dataclas for encrypting a tape. (I think I understood that 
correctly???)

So what is the difference between using a HASH KEY and a DATACLAS with 
EKM?

I am reading the books, but I still get lost in them. 

Lizette, 

maybe there's been some sort of misunderstanding HASH is a MODE of 
using a KEY to encrypt data on tape; the other one is LABEL. 
Usually you use HASH when are encrypting data using a PUBLIC certificate 
coming from a partner 

You can declare HASH mode in SMS dataclas or in DD JCL. 

Hope this helps.


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Re: How to display Stars for Password in ISPF

2009-05-11 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Chase, John wrote:

You can't make it idiot-proof.  :-)

Idiot-proof is to make it extremely easy to operate or maintain ,

according to http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/idiotproof

Look up this link below if you're bored... ;-D

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?IdiotProofProcess

;-D

Groete / Greetings
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Re: EKM and Hash Keys

2009-05-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
Okay, so if I understand.

I get the public key from the 3rd party client.
I import the key into my environment.
I code my JCL to use 
  // KEYLABL1=’MyEKMServerJCEKS’, 
  // KEYENCD1=L, 
  // KEYLABL2=’CompanyXPublicKeyJCEKS’,  
  // KEYENCD2=H,

Where my public key is called MyEKMServerJCEKS and the 3rd party's public key 
is called CompayXPublicKeyJCEKS that I had imported into my system.

My system is setup to use the JCERACFKS keystore for encryption with E05 Tape 
Drives in a TS3500.

The KEYENCD2=H is where the HASH is handled?

Lizette
 




I have not worked with this yet.  My 3rd party wants me to use HASH 
instead of Dataclas for encrypting a tape. (I think I understood that 
correctly???)

So what is the difference between using a HASH KEY and a DATACLAS with 
EKM?

I am reading the books, but I still get lost in them. 

Lizette, 

maybe there's been some sort of misunderstanding HASH is a MODE of 
using a KEY to encrypt data on tape; the other one is LABEL. 
Usually you use HASH when are encrypting data using a PUBLIC certificate 
coming from a partner 

You can declare HASH mode in SMS dataclas or in DD JCL. 

Hope this helps.



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Re: Servicelink and ActiveX controls

2009-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:45:50 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:

On Friday afternoon IBM had corrected the coding error that caused activeX
to be executed in the first place and that then terminated the browser (no
matter what type of browser). After deleting temp files and the history, the
annoying prompts (when set to prompt) and pop-ups that an activeX control
did not execute are gone.

Does that mean that execution of ActiveX was unintentional, and
ActiveX is now removed from the picture?

As far as that goes, I can now pester IBM again with the 'real' problems :-)

Lest we forget, as it appears that IBM may have forgotten:

   Linkname: Viewable with Any Browser: Campaign
URL: http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

Marty,
I am not supposed to install too many things on the company PC that the
company hasn't approved. In too many cases this causes problems down the
line when some update (via netinstall) doesn't work. Otherwise I would have
tried to upgrade to the newest IE version.

See above.

Besides, all the browsers I tried terminated. Not surprising given that it was
bug.

If not surprising, at least dismaying.  Browsers ought to be
resilient to defective web pages.  This was reportedly a bug;
it could as well have been a DoS attack.

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Mainframe articles

2009-05-11 Thread Howard Brazee
A nice slide show on the history of IBM mainframes:

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/The-IBM-Mainframe-50-Years-of
-Big-Iron-Innovation-583073/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009A

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/50-Years-of-IBM-Mainframe-Mil
estones-136541/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009C

 

 

 

 

Why the mainframe will never die

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/IBM-Why-the-Mainframe-Will-Ne
ver-Die-Part-I-164505/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009B

 

 

 

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/CA-Sees-Strong-Future-for-Mai
nframes-234697/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009D

 

 

 


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Re: EKM and Hash Keys

2009-05-11 Thread Paolo Cacciari
YES, correct

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Region, EMEA

 
 



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To:
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Date:
11/05/2009 16.55
Subject:
Re: EKM and Hash Keys
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Okay, so if I understand.

I get the public key from the 3rd party client.
I import the key into my environment.
I code my JCL to use 
  // KEYLABL1=?MyEKMServerJCEKS?, 
  // KEYENCD1=L, 
  // KEYLABL2=?CompanyXPublicKeyJCEKS?, 
  // KEYENCD2=H,

Where my public key is called MyEKMServerJCEKS and the 3rd party's public 
key is called CompayXPublicKeyJCEKS that I had imported into my system.

My system is setup to use the JCERACFKS keystore for encryption with E05 
Tape Drives in a TS3500.

The KEYENCD2=H is where the HASH is handled?

Lizette
 




I have not worked with this yet.  My 3rd party wants me to use HASH 
instead of Dataclas for encrypting a tape. (I think I understood that 
correctly???)

So what is the difference between using a HASH KEY and a DATACLAS with 
EKM?

I am reading the books, but I still get lost in them. 

Lizette, 

maybe there's been some sort of misunderstanding HASH is a MODE of 
using a KEY to encrypt data on tape; the other one is LABEL. 
Usually you use HASH when are encrypting data using a PUBLIC certificate 
coming from a partner 

You can declare HASH mode in SMS dataclas or in DD JCL. 

Hope this helps.



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Re: Servicelink and ActiveX controls

2009-05-11 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/5/11 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com:
 On Mon, 11 May 2009 00:45:50 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:

On Friday afternoon IBM had corrected the coding error that caused activeX
to be executed in the first place and that then terminated the browser (no
matter what type of browser). After deleting temp files and the history, the
annoying prompts (when set to prompt) and pop-ups that an activeX control
did not execute are gone.

 Does that mean that execution of ActiveX was unintentional, and
 ActiveX is now removed from the picture?

As far as that goes, I can now pester IBM again with the 'real' problems :-)

 Lest we forget, as it appears that IBM may have forgotten:

   Linkname: Viewable with Any Browser: Campaign
        URL: http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

I trust this also includes avoiding the use of Flash...

Tony H.

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Re: Validating Addrees

2009-05-11 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/5/11 Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com:
 On Sat, 9 May 2009 16:35:58 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

 Keep in mind that in many cases the attributes can change
between the time you check, and the time you (or some service or
program you call) actually uses the storage.

 And Binyamin made a similar comment.

 What do you mean by this?  If you determine that an address is in CSA, it
 will continue to be a CSA address.  Of course, that location could no longer
 be allocated to the same address space, or indeed any address space.  In
 addition, the location could have been converted to SQA, I suppose, or have
 been used to hold a dynamic LPA module.  Is that what you are talking about?

Those, and quite probably other things that neither of us has thought about.

I made my comment with respect to security checking. In his initial
post, Joe Reichman said he wanted to determine its nature e.g. CSA
SQA etc., and so clearly the CSA vs SQA difference was just an
example. There are various reasons why a program might want to know
this sort of thing about an address, and one of them is a usually ill
considered attempt to base some sort of security checking on it. I
just reissued a standard warning that's been around since IBM's first
Statement of MVS System Integrity in 1974 or so.

Tony H.

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Re: DFHSM and WLM Settings

2009-05-11 Thread Traylor, Terry
Lizette,

Consider setting up an auxiliary address space to run your daily
processing in a lower service class.  That way you can allow your
primary HSM to perform recall processing in it's a higher service class.



Terry Traylor 
charlesSCHWAB 
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Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:00 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFHSM and WLM Settings

I ran into a small issue where when using Interval Migration DFHSM took
all the resources on my small LPAR.  Even on my largest LPAR it still
consumes a lot of resources.

IBM Suggested I set DFHSM to STCMED.  My concern is that since we have a
lot of tasks in WLM at SYSSTC (not my choice) that if a recall or
migrate was requested, that DFHSM might be impacted by the other high
runnings tasks.

Has anyone delt with Interval Migration and controlling it via WLM?

Does anyone else have DFHSM in STCMED and if so, how is that working for
DFHSM.

Lizette

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Re: DFHSM and WLM Settings

2009-05-11 Thread Gibney, Dave
  I've always figured that something that idle long enough to get
migrated isn't that urgent a desire to have back. If I'm too busy to get
it back rapidly, then it doesn't hurt to have both the requestor and
DFHSM delayed somewhat :)

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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 Behalf Of Traylor, Terry
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:42 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: Re: DFHSM and WLM Settings
 
 Lizette,
 
 Consider setting up an auxiliary address space to run your daily
 processing in a lower service class.  That way you can allow your
 primary HSM to perform recall processing in it's a higher service
 class.
 
 
 
 Terry Traylor
 charlesSCHWAB
 TIS Mainframe Storage Management
 Remedy Queue: tis-hs-mstg
 (602) 977-5154
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
 Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
 Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:00 AM
 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
 Subject: DFHSM and WLM Settings
 
 I ran into a small issue where when using Interval Migration DFHSM
took
 all the resources on my small LPAR.  Even on my largest LPAR it still
 consumes a lot of resources.
 
 IBM Suggested I set DFHSM to STCMED.  My concern is that since we have
 a
 lot of tasks in WLM at SYSSTC (not my choice) that if a recall or
 migrate was requested, that DFHSM might be impacted by the other high
 runnings tasks.
 
 Has anyone delt with Interval Migration and controlling it via WLM?
 
 Does anyone else have DFHSM in STCMED and if so, how is that working
 for
 DFHSM.
 
 Lizette
 
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Re: ADRDSSU protection

2009-05-11 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sat, 9 May 2009 18:54:21 -0700, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Also if they do have access to amaspzap they can get around almost
anything, so I would still 
 restrict that access (along with its alias's).

That's not true, Ed.  Access to AMASPZAP only allows you to read or write
data that you already have access to by other means, *except* for the one
case of zapping a VTOC.  And for that, DASDVOL protection and/or operator
prompts supply the security.

But for the other cases, if you have UPDATE to a data set then you can zap
it, but of course if you have UPDATE to the data set you can write to it
with anything else, too.

That's why we're saying you need to protect the resources, not the utilities
that operate on them.  Someone can always find another utility, or write
their own (and it doesn't take much programming experience to write a REXX
exec, shell script, PERL script, PYTHON script, etc. to do it).

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Re: How to display Stars for Password in ISPF

2009-05-11 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sat, 9 May 2009 16:28:48 -0400, Tony Harminc tz...@attglobal.net wrote:

2009/5/8 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com:

 Sigh.  If IBM users were serious about this sort of thing, they'd
 submit a Requirement that LOGON not distinguish between invalid
 user ID and valid user ID with invalid password, reducing the
 exhaustive search space from M*N to M+N.

That requirement would have to go against the various products that
issue SAF calls. There is nothing to stop any product that does logons
from being as vague as it likes about why the user can't log on.

It could go against RACF, I think.  We could simply give the bad password
return code for all authentication failures.   SMF records and ICH408I
messages would still need to stay the same as they are, to provide proper
auditing and trouble shooting, but the applications wouldn't know.  We would
probably need to change the error messages that we let applications retrieve
from RACROUTE, too, in case they display them to the user.  So it's
non-trivial, but could be done in one central spot.

Of course, you'd need is a larger help desk support staff to handle the
increased number of calls from users.

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DFHSM and WLM Settings

2009-05-11 Thread Lizette Koehler
I ran into a small issue where when using Interval Migration DFHSM took all the 
resources on my small LPAR.  Even on my largest LPAR it still consumes a lot of 
resources.

IBM Suggested I set DFHSM to STCMED.  My concern is that since we have a lot of 
tasks in WLM at SYSSTC (not my choice) that if a recall or migrate was 
requested, that DFHSM might be impacted by the other high runnings tasks.

Has anyone delt with Interval Migration and controlling it via WLM?

Does anyone else have DFHSM in STCMED and if so, how is that working for DFHSM.

Lizette

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Re: DFHSM and WLM Settings

2009-05-11 Thread O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Lizzette,

  I've always run HSM below my onlines and above batch in terms of WLM. Works 
fine.
The only time you would have a problem is if your SYSSTC workload is consuming 
100% CPU. Surely that is not the case?

If you are CPU constrained then you might throttle back Interval Migration - 
Maxintervaltask(1).
Better yet, do you really need to run Interval Migration? Check your HSMACT.. 
logs to see if any data is actually being migrated. Check the Customization 
manual for the patch to run Interval every 3 or 6 hours rather than hourly or 
just turn it off.
  
Dave O'Brien
NIH Contractor

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Lizette,

Consider setting up an auxiliary address space to run your daily
processing in a lower service class.  That way you can allow your
primary HSM to perform recall processing in it's a higher service class.



Terry Traylor
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I ran into a small issue where when using Interval Migration DFHSM took
all the resources on my small LPAR.  Even on my largest LPAR it still
consumes a lot of resources.

IBM Suggested I set DFHSM to STCMED.  My concern is that since we have a
lot of tasks in WLM at SYSSTC (not my choice) that if a recall or
migrate was requested, that DFHSM might be impacted by the other high
runnings tasks.

Has anyone delt with Interval Migration and controlling it via WLM?

Does anyone else have DFHSM in STCMED and if so, how is that working for
DFHSM.

Lizette

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ZFS Dataset question

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Jacobs
Does anyone know the procedure to copy ZFS datasets that have been
defined as extended format into non-EF ZFS datasets?

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Re: Validating Addrees

2009-05-11 Thread Walt Farrell
On Sun, 10 May 2009 08:11:10 -0400, Joe Reichman joereich...@optonline.net
wrote:

Honestly the Only thing that I am intrested in initially is whether the
Address is in CSA
or Not

As others have noted, experience has shown that often when someone asks a
question like that they plan to do something unwise in their programming. 
Thus our queries about *why* you want to know this.

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Re: SMPE Help

2009-05-11 Thread Guy Gardoit
This is a good example as to why your running ROOT file(s) should be
mounted read-only.  Don't mean to rub salt into your wounds but ...

Guy Gardoit
z/OS Systems Programming

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Doug Henry doug_he...@usbank.com wrote:

 On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:46:32 -0500, Tom Marchant m42tom-
 ibmm...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 And you might want to run a LIST DDDEF job before and after and look for
 the
 ones that contain PATH.
 

 This is not really necessary to run a LIST DDDEF after because the SMPRPT
 output is an excellent report that shows the DDDEF's that are changed with
 it's
 before and after values when you do a zonedit to change path statements.

 Doug

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Re: ADRDSSU protection

2009-05-11 Thread Tony Harminc
2009/5/11 Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com:
 On Sat, 9 May 2009 18:54:21 -0700, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Also if they do have access to amaspzap they can get around almost
 anything, so I would still restrict that access (along with its alias's).

 That's not true, Ed.  Access to AMASPZAP only allows you to read or write
 data that you already have access to by other means, *except* for the one
 case of zapping a VTOC.  And for that, DASDVOL protection and/or operator
 prompts supply the security.

 But for the other cases, if you have UPDATE to a data set then you can zap
 it, but of course if you have UPDATE to the data set you can write to it
 with anything else, too.

 That's why we're saying you need to protect the resources, not the utilities
 that operate on them.  Someone can always find another utility, or write
 their own (and it doesn't take much programming experience to write a REXX
 exec, shell script, PERL script, PYTHON script, etc. to do it).

Back in the 1980s, when our auditors wanted to restrict access to
AMASPZAP, I explained to them that it is just an editor, like ISPF or
TSO edit . Just as TSO EDIT is designed for editing datasets
containing text, AMASPZAP is designed for editing datasets containing
load modules. It doesn't let its user do anything they can't do using
another tool; it is just sensible to use the most convenient and well
optimized tool for the job.

Amazingly, I did succeed in having their recommendation reversed. But
today's auditors seem to be singing from the same 1970s songbook, and
the same old ill informed recommendations come back again and again.

Tony H.

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Re: ZFS Dataset question

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:59:58 -0400, Mark Jacobs mark.jac...@custserv.com
wrote:

Does anyone know the procedure to copy ZFS datasets that have been
defined as extended format into non-EF ZFS datasets?


Assuming it will fit, do it logically.  PAX or copytree.  Search the archives
for pax examples for copying HFS to zFS.  I would say you could also
use the HFS to zFS migration tool - BPXWH2Z - but I think it checks if
the input is zFS already and skips it.

Mark
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Re: DFHSM and WLM Settings

2009-05-11 Thread Patrick Falcone
Hi Lizette,
 
We run HSM in STCMED with no issues in a large plex, a small plex and single 
systems environment. HSM can consume a lot of resources but if your WLM policy 
is sound and your workloads are happy then STCMED should suffice.
 
The system related companion tasks in SYSSTC are usually there for a reason; 
monitors, JES, VTAM, TCP/IP etcHaving them in other places in WLM, of lower 
importance, can be painful. But I'm probably preaching at this point. 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com wrote:

From: Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com
Subject: DFHSM and WLM Settings
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 5:00 PM

I ran into a small issue where when using Interval Migration DFHSM took all the
resources on my small LPAR.  Even on my largest LPAR it still consumes a lot of
resources.

IBM Suggested I set DFHSM to STCMED.  My concern is that since we have a lot of
tasks in WLM at SYSSTC (not my choice) that if a recall or migrate was
requested, that DFHSM might be impacted by the other high runnings tasks.

Has anyone delt with Interval Migration and controlling it via WLM?

Does anyone else have DFHSM in STCMED and if so, how is that working for DFHSM.

Lizette

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Re: RACF Newbie question

2009-05-11 Thread Skip Robinson
Although ISRDDN is a good (and free!) tool for this sort of search,
StarTool--and I believe earlier versions of PDS/PDSE--include a FINDMOD
command that will show the actual location of the module found (if any)
plus all other accessible locations in the standard search sequence where a
like-named module also resides. It's a quick and decisive way to compare
multiple systems.

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On Fri, 8 May 2009 10:34:09 -0700, George Fogg gf...@nwlink.com wrote:

And all these years I thought ICHRDSNT had to be in a APF linklst library,
not
in PLPA, MLPA, FLPA or DLPA.
The book states ...This table resides in SYS1.LINKLIB or any other
APF-authorized linklist library. It must be linked with RMODE(24).


Ours is in MLPA.  Loaded from a LNKLST behind SYS1.LINKLIB along with some
other local RACF modules / exits.

I guess the fact that it isn't documented could be called MVS System
Programming 101 on program fetch / system search order.   Pretty
much anything reentrant or non-executable like a table can be in LPA
instead of LNKLST.

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Re: RACF Newbie question

2009-05-11 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 11 May 2009 15:08:03 -0700, Skip Robinson wrote:

Although ISRDDN is a good (and free!) tool for this sort of search,
StarTool--and I believe earlier versions of PDS/PDSE--include a FINDMOD
command that will show the actual location of the module found (if any)
plus all other accessible locations in the standard search sequence where a
like-named module also resides. It's a quick and decisive way to compare
multiple systems.

Will any of these tools (at whatever price) find the correct
instance of a member residing in a mixed concatenation of
Classic and UNIX directories?  I know ISRDDN won't.  I reported
this as a defect a few years ago; got WAD.  ISRDDN employs
ISPF LM utilities which don't (or didn't at that time) do UNIX.

 Mark Zelden
 05/08/2009 11:54  AM

Ours is in MLPA.  Loaded from a LNKLST behind SYS1.LINKLIB along with some
other local RACF modules / exits.

I guess the fact that it isn't documented could be called MVS System
Programming 101 on program fetch / system search order.   Pretty
much anything reentrant or non-executable like a table can be in LPA
instead of LNKLST.

Would this include Java byte code?

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Re: RACF Newbie question

2009-05-11 Thread Mark Zelden
ISRDDN will do this too if you use the MEMBER command with LINKLIST or 
LPA.  If you use LPA it will not search the LNKLST, but if you use LINK it
will search JPA, MLPA, LPA, etc. in addition to LNKLST.

For example:

DDLIST
LINK
M ICHRDSNT LINK
  (respond YES to bypass warning about searching LNKLST etc.)

  CSVQUERY Results 
 Command ===  
More: +
 Module ICHRDSNT was found to be already loaded. Note that 
 invocations of this program name may pick up another copy from
 STEPLIB or a LIBDEF'ed data set or from a tasklib such as ISPLLIB.
 Tab to a box and press enter to view the module in storage.   
+-+
| MLPA resident   |
| Module address:00CD8CD0 |
| Module size:   0060 |
| Reentrant   |
| Serially reusable   |
| Not loadable only   |
| Authorized library  |
| Not Authorized program  |
+-+


In my case, since it is loaded into MLPA from a LNKLST library via IEALPAxx,
ISRDDN also shows it as found under LINKLIST in the proper library.


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On Mon, 11 May 2009 15:08:03 -0700, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com
wrote:

Although ISRDDN is a good (and free!) tool for this sort of search,
StarTool--and I believe earlier versions of PDS/PDSE--include a FINDMOD
command that will show the actual location of the module found (if any)
plus all other accessible locations in the standard search sequence where a
like-named module also resides. It's a quick and decisive way to compare
multiple systems.

.
.
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On Fri, 8 May 2009 10:34:09 -0700, George Fogg gf...@nwlink.com wrote:

And all these years I thought ICHRDSNT had to be in a APF linklst library,
not
in PLPA, MLPA, FLPA or DLPA.
The book states ...This table resides in SYS1.LINKLIB or any other
APF-authorized linklist library. It must be linked with RMODE(24).


Ours is in MLPA.  Loaded from a LNKLST behind SYS1.LINKLIB along with some
other local RACF modules / exits.

I guess the fact that it isn't documented could be called MVS System
Programming 101 on program fetch / system search order.   Pretty
much anything reentrant or non-executable like a table can be in LPA
instead of LNKLST.

Mark

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Re: Mainframe articles

2009-05-11 Thread Scott T. Harder
Very cool.  Funny, though... I remember first logging onto TSO on what
I thought was a 3082 (although I didn't know what even DASD was at the
time).  Then, when I finally got my hands on a mainframe in MCO, it
was a 3084.  This slideshow shows a 3083, which I don't have any
recollection of.  Looks like a 3084, from what I can remember, though.

All the best,
Scott

On 5/11/09, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu wrote:
 A nice slide show on the history of IBM mainframes:

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/The-IBM-Mainframe-50-Years-of
 -Big-Iron-Innovation-583073/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009A

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/50-Years-of-IBM-Mainframe-Mil
 estones-136541/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009C









 Why the mainframe will never die

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/IBM-Why-the-Mainframe-Will-Ne
 ver-Die-Part-I-164505/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009B







 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/CA-Sees-Strong-Future-for-Mai
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Re: Mainframe articles

2009-05-11 Thread Scott T. Harder
Maybe it was a 3080 when I first logged on to TSO???  Sorry... a bit foggy.

On 5/11/09, Scott T. Harder scottyt.har...@gmail.com wrote:
 Very cool.  Funny, though... I remember first logging onto TSO on what
 I thought was a 3082 (although I didn't know what even DASD was at the
 time).  Then, when I finally got my hands on a mainframe in MCO, it
 was a 3084.  This slideshow shows a 3083, which I don't have any
 recollection of.  Looks like a 3084, from what I can remember, though.

 All the best,
 Scott

 On 5/11/09, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu wrote:
 A nice slide show on the history of IBM mainframes:

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/The-IBM-Mainframe-50-Years-of
 -Big-Iron-Innovation-583073/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009A

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/50-Years-of-IBM-Mainframe-Mil
 estones-136541/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009C









 Why the mainframe will never die

 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/IBM-Why-the-Mainframe-Will-Ne
 ver-Die-Part-I-164505/?kc=EWKNLEDP05112009B







 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/CA-Sees-Strong-Future-for-Mai
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