Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[Barbara Nitz]

>  Since the System Initialization Logic manual no longer
>exists, the best way to get an overview of the
>IPL/NIP/MSI sequence is to do an
>
>IPLDATA STATUS
>
>command under IPCS.

Good thing I was *very* opposed when my management wanted to get rid of 
the hardcopy logic (and diagnosis) manuals that are still around here 
somewhere. If they don't have space in our new location (we'll be moving to a 
new office at the end of the month) for it, I also volunteered to take them 
home.

Also, a while back Greg Dyck did a Share presentation on the logic flow of 
IPL/NIP/MSI. 

Best regards, Barbara

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Re: IPCS where subcommand with dataspaces

[Barbara Nitz]

>:>I am using CPOOL services with a dataspace and would like to know
>:>whether the storage is allocated or not
>
>WHERE identifies that a given storage area is part of a CPOOL range and
>whether the containing CPOOL area is off of the queue? Cool.

*If* WHERE does that (which I highly doubt), it would only do it if the storage 
is allocated in the address space, *not* the data space. In addition, the 
WHERE command is not what one should use to determine if something is 
*allocated*. WHERE is used to determine if the address of something is in a 
module that z/OS knows about (as in: z/OS has the appropriate control block 
to know that this piece of storage is used to hold a module). WHERE is NOT 
applicable to dataspaces, as code cannot be executed when it resides in a 
dataspace (or did I miss a memo?). Plus, WHERE tells you for *private* 
address space storage if it can identify a subpool (as of rather lately.)

I suggest that the original poster do some reading up on cell pool services and 
where (and how) z/OS keeps track of which storage is allocated in a 
*dataspace*. Try the IPCS command manual for starters. It spells out when 
WHERE works and even some cases when it doesn't. Try the Diagnosis manuals 
next.

Barbara Nitz

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Re: Really dumb CLIST question

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:14:01 -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
>
>What value does a variable have if you don't try to initialise it?
>
I found it.  It's easy when you know where to look (and the vital
line isn't scrolled just off the screen.):

 "z/OS V1R8.0 TSO/E CLISTs"
 ___

4.2 Defining symbolic variables and assigning values to them
...
   The previous statements define variables explicitly. You can also define
   a variable implicitly by referring to it in a CLIST statement before you
   explicitly define it. The CLIST assigns a null value to such a variable.

So I guess I don't get to make out an RCF.

>This vital information appears to be missing from the obvious place to mention
>it in the manual and I expect the old TSO CLIST language doesn't use the
>quixotic REXX rule that you find variables initialised to whatever name you had
>in mind they had!
>
I like languages that report error on reference to undefined variables.

Now I'll see whether I can figure out &STR() and get

PERPETRATOR = &&SYSUID
ISREDIT LINE BEFORE = &STR(//  NOTIFY=&PERPETRATOR,)

or some such to work.  CLIST makes it real hard to even know
what the value in a variable is.

Thanks,
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Re: Really dumb CLIST question

[Steve Comstock]

On 10/4/2010 8:14 PM, Chris Mason wrote:

Paul

What value does a variable have if you don't try to initialise it?

This vital information appears to be missing from the obvious place to mention
it in the manual and I expect the old TSO CLIST language doesn't use the
quixotic REXX rule that you find variables initialised to whatever name you had
in mind they had!


But suppose what he wants is to _reset_ a variable to null?

Paul,

have you tried:

   SET &X=

works for me.




Chris Mason

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:16:06 -0500, Paul Gilmartin
wrote:


Answer offline; don't flood the list.

How can I set a symbolic variable to the null string?

SET X = ''  /* Sets X to two apostrophes.  */
SET X = /* Syntax error.   */
SET X =&SUBSTR(1:0,FOO) /* Syntax error.  */

Isn't there a way?

Thanks,
gil


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Re: Answered: Really dumb CLIST question

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:16:06 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>How can I set a symbolic variable to the null string?
>
Thanks to Dave Salt:

SET &X = &Z  /* Works as long as &Z is undefined.  */

Why am I writing CLIST?  Well I need to modify a CLIST
ISPF EDIT macro.  I don't quite own it, so I can't properly
convert to Rexx.

And this is to be further tailored by customers.  Here, the
significant advantage of CLIST over Rexx is in avoiding
the apostrophe catastrophe.  Better the customer can
code:

ISREDIT C C'FOO' 'BAR' ALL

rather than:

"C C'FOO' 'BAR' ALL"  /* It can get much worse.  */

Now I need to figure out how to get "&SYSUID" into tailored
JCL without CLIST evaluating it.

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Re: Really dumb CLIST question

[Chris Mason]

Paul

What value does a variable have if you don't try to initialise it?

This vital information appears to be missing from the obvious place to mention 
it in the manual and I expect the old TSO CLIST language doesn't use the 
quixotic REXX rule that you find variables initialised to whatever name you had 
in mind they had!

Chris Mason

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 20:16:06 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  
wrote:

>Answer offline; don't flood the list.
>
>How can I set a symbolic variable to the null string?
>
>SET X = ''  /* Sets X to two apostrophes.  */
>SET X = /* Syntax error.   */
>SET X = &SUBSTR(1:0,FOO) /* Syntax error.  */
>
>Isn't there a way?
>
>Thanks,
>gil

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Jim Mulder]

> Rick, this indeed was before we had consoles.  Same general time as if 
you 
> had PROMPT turned on.  I included the last bit of detail in my 
> original problem 
> with IBM, which is what prompted me to go back and reread my original 
post. 
> The bad thing is IBM told me they did not think they could work on this 
> without the original syslog.  I would think my timeline, plus the 
> deallocation 
> from the FDR job would be enough.  We shall see.

  I have examined the relevant code, and it appears to (incorrectly)
do exactly as you have described.  I have updated your PMR.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Really dumb CLIST question

[Paul Gilmartin]

Answer offline; don't flood the list.

How can I set a symbolic variable to the null string?

SET X = ''  /* Sets X to two apostrophes.  */
SET X = /* Syntax error.   */
SET X = &SUBSTR(1:0,FOO) /* Syntax error.  */

Isn't there a way?

Thanks,
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Gerhard Postpischil]

On 10/4/2010 5:06 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote:

zPlane, zPlane ...


As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is
a US-centric joke, and only funny in the States.

Plane is just not funny in the other English Speaking
countries.


That argument has things backwards 

Herve Villechaise's character would never have used zedPlane, 
because he was mispronouncing The Plane. For non-U.S. manglers 
of English, consider it a pun on SeaPlane, which is what 
normally arrived at the island.


Gerhard Postpischil
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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Steve Dover]

Rick, this indeed was before we had consoles.  Same general time as if you 
had PROMPT turned on.  I included the last bit of detail in my original problem 
with IBM, which is what prompted me to go back and reread my original post.  
The bad thing is IBM told me they did not think they could work on this 
without the original syslog.  I would think my timeline, plus the deallocation 
from the FDR job would be enough.  We shall see.

Steve

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:47:51 -0500, Rick Fochtman  
wrote:

>

>Is a JES3 system? I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser
>online at a time with the same volser. I haven't worked with JES3 in a
>long time, so it may have changed.
>-
---
>I believe that this is strictly a z/OS function, without regard to which
>JES you're running. IIRC, the duplicate VOLSER messages occur even
>before console initialization.
>
>Rick
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[zMan]

Wow, that veered off the tracks in a hurry...
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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Edward Jaffe]

 On 10/4/2010 9:15 AM, Binyamin Dissen wrote:

JES3 on a local could have a different device than JES3 on the global.


JES2/JES3 is not really a factor here. An MVS system can have only one device 
online at a time with a given volume ID. But, that device number need not be the 
same across multiple MVS images in a 'plex'.


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Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[Jim Mulder]

> So correct me if I'm wrong: IEAIPL00 and IEAIPL01 have to be updated any 

> time there are changes to DASD device geometries as well as upgrades to 
> storage capacities, like the change from 31-bit to 64-bit storage, 
> possible new console devices, etc.
> 
> Curious: when does the "final" I/O configuration get loaded and 
initialized?

  We don't do anything with consoles until NIP, 
at which point IEAIPL00 is out of the picture.

  Since the System Initialization Logic manual no longer 
exists, the best way to get an overview of the 
IPL/NIP/MSI sequence is to do an

IPLDATA STATUS

command under IPCS. 
 
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DFSMStvs Question

[Magen Margalit]

Hi list.

Historically we have 2 Sysplex environments 
that shares the same SMS environment (using the same 
communication dataset)

We want to implement DFSMStvs in that environment for now (planning to 
separate but it will take time).

 In IGDSMSxx member I'm planning to define:
- TVSNAME(&lparchar)   /* a unique system symbol character for each  
  member in both sysplexes */
- Not specifying SYSNAME parm /* so it will affect current system only */

Questions:
1. Will it work ?
2. Will a problem in tvs in one sysplex environment can affect
The other sysplex?
3. When issuing a V SMS,TRANVSAM from member in one sysplex 
will it affect the members in the other sysplexes?

Thanks in advanced.

Magen   

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

My apologies to the Canadians. I stand corrected. 

Z'avion, z'avion ...

Charles

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>zPlane, zPlane ...

As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric
joke, and only funny in the States.

Plane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Rick Fochtman]

Is a JES3 system? I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser 
online at a time with the same volser. I haven't worked with JES3 in a 
long time, so it may have changed.


I believe that this is strictly a z/OS function, without regard to which 
JES you're running. IIRC, the duplicate VOLSER messages occur even 
before console initialization.


Rick

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Re: IPCS where subcommand with dataspaces

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:51:02 -0400 Micheal Butz 
wrote:

:>I am using CPOOL services with a dataspace and would like to know  
:>whether the storage is allocated or not

WHERE identifies that a given storage area is part of a CPOOL range and
whether the containing CPOOL area is off of the queue? Cool.

:>On Oct 4, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Binyamin Dissen  
:> wrote:

:>> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:28:29 -0400 Micheal Butz > wrote:

:>> :>Can the where subcommand or some similar command be used in IPCS  
:>> with
:>> :>dataspaces ???

:>> To what point? What z/OS structures exist in a dataspace?

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Re: Really dumb IPL question

[Rick Fochtman]

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Judging from some of the posts here I think that those of you in the
user sysprog community think we software vendors stay up at night
trying to think of ways to annoy you. 
   



It doesn't matter whether it's incompetence, malice or orders from
above. If my boss asks me to evaluate a products, I'll tell him all of
the problems I spot regardless of the reasons for them.

 


The problem is that many of us came up through a development career
path, not a sysprog career path.
   



Part of development is requirements analysis. You need to talk to your
customers and potential customers.

 


While I'm on a rant here you in the sysprog community should keep in
mind that you are not the entire audience for our products.
   



And you need to keep in mind that in some shops we get asked before
procuring, and in some shops we get listened to when we suggest
dropping a product at renewal time.

If my boss tells me that we have budgetary problems and need to find
some software to drop, the first ones that I will suggest are the ones
that are causing problems.

So by all means put in additional information, but not at the expense
of the information that we need, and not in a misleading fashion.
 


---
Charles, we don't paint all vendors with the same brush. There are a few 
vendors that are very obscure, misleading and annoying. There are a few 
that are remarkable for their openness. Most fall somewhere in the 
middle Some of this range is caused by the programming "style" of the 
vendor, some through incompetence, malice or orders from above. And some 
from paranoia about software theft. And some is caused by a sincere 
desire to meet customer needs with the least pain. It all depends on 
people and we're all different, no matter what the development path 
might have been.


Most sysprogs, in most shops, have a fairly good "feel" for what the 
shop needs and try to be responsive, whether it's a custom-built 
subroutine to fetch obscure data from the system, a customized exit, or 
provide a service that isn't available in the particular HLL in use. 
Selection of OEM software is part of that function, so we have to 
evaluate the assets and liabilities of a number of products, and that 
might also include start-up and shutdown requirements, whether it's at 
system start-up and shutdown time or ISPF session start-up and shutdown. 
Timing and order dependancies have to be made clear, and all too many 
vendors don't provide that information, leading to a certain amount of 
annoyance.



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Re: AUTOLOG (Was: Really dumb IPL question)

[Rick Fochtman]

--

No, not really. As I understand AUTOLOG (and I don't :-) ) it is a mechanism 
to start things, apparently with a bit of intelligence added. It does not care 
about the *orderly* shutdown right before an IPL when everything is working 
correctly in the first place.


And I am really surprised that they use 'cancel' instead of the appropriate 
termination commands (be it a stop command if such thing exists or a 'proper' 
terminate-thread-command, whatever that is).


Cancel that, I am not surprised. :-(
 


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 do affect automatic startups and shutdowns. Thos items 
were "NETINIT" and "COMMAND". The appropriate command lists were 
maintained byt the Systems Programming staff, along with documentation 
for the Operations staff. Worked like a champ, since we controlled what 
products were started and the sequence of startups, as well as the 
appropriate shutdown sequence. We even used them to start and stop our 
"automation" product.


Rick

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Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[Rick Fochtman]

-


I still have to ask the question as to why is the IPL text release
sensitive.  All it should be doing is loading some part of
SYS1.NUCLEUS and transferring to it.  In one sense an MVT IPLTEXT
should be able to successfully load a z/OS 1.12 Nucleus and transfer
to it if MVT know how to handle modern channel programs and 3390s.
   



 Apparently you did not share your concept of what the IPL 
text should be doing with the designers of the MVS IPL process

long ago.  IEAIPL00 is a mini operating system for the IPL process,
containing among other things the IO driver and storage management
functions. 
 


-
So correct me if I'm wrong: IEAIPL00 and IEAIPL01 have to be updated any 
time there are changes to DASD device geometries as well as upgrades to 
storage capacities, like the change from 31-bit to 64-bit storage, 
possible new console devices, etc.


Curious: when does the "final" I/O configuration get loaded and initialized?

Rick

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Ted MacNEIL]

>No, I've already gotten in trouble for that one!
>The "zed" world doesn't understand.

I wasn't trying to get anybody in trouble.
It's just that there's only one country in the "zee" world.

All the other jurisdictions with English as their/an official language 
pronounce it "zed".

I believe the remaining jurisdictions are:

Australia
Canada
Hong Kong
The UK
New Zealand

I'm not sure about:
Luxemburg
The Hague

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 16:40:51 + Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

:>>JES3 on a local could have a different device than JES3 on the global.
:>
:>You can do that with any multi-system config.
:>I thought we were talking about duplicates on the same system image.

IIRC, Jes3 has commands to go against volumes. Jes2 does not have commands to
go against volumes on another main.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Brian Peterson]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:44:23 -0500, Steve Dover wrote:

>  I went back and reread my
>original post.  I did leave out one very important coincidence.  When we ipl'ed
>the production lpar Saturday, I was expecting and got the message
>IGGN505A, looking for our shared IODF/IPLPARMS/PARMLIB volume.  Everything
>on this volume (IODF00 - ucb 210D) is pretty much static.  There are only 3
>of us who have access to the datasets on this volume.  But, in our current
>IOCDS, this volume is defined OFFLINE=YES to our prod lpar.  The operator
>saw the message, then responded with 230D (our culprit), but the system
>rejected that response as invalid (IGGN306I).  He then responded with the
>proper UCB, 210D.  I went through syslog after I had corrected this error, but
>I could not find any indication that a duplicate volser had been mounted.  I am
>used to seeing the duplicate volser message and responding to the one that
>needs to be kept offline (this has been my playground for mosty of the
>summer), but I never saw anything like that.  But either way, my
>understanding is there is no way, on a JES2 single monoplex lpar to have the
>same volser mounted twice.

I sure hope you've passed along this paragraph of text to IBM as it sounds
like you've identified the exact steps necessary for them to recreate the
problem and then fix it.

When I first read your original post, I thought - "That's impossible."  Now,
based on your post above, I think - "Wow - that's a cool bug."

Brian

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[McKown, John]

No, I've already gotten in trouble for that one! The "zed" world doesn't 
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> -Original Message-
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> 
> zPlane, zPlane ...
> 
> Charles
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
> 
> >His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. 
> I'll bet zMan
> >is not a real name either. Not a big deal.
> >
> 
> Probably not. He was probably known as "zBoy" and maybe even 
> "zInfant". 
> If "he" is even a "he"
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Ted MacNEIL]

>zPlane, zPlane ...

As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric joke, 
and only funny in the States.

Plane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Wilkins, Mike]

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zPlane, zPlane ...

Charles

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>His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet
zMan
>is not a real name either. Not a big deal.
>

Probably not. He was probably known as "zBoy" and maybe even "zInfant". 
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

zPlane, zPlane ...

Charles

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On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan
>is not a real name either. Not a big deal.
>

Probably not. He was probably known as "zBoy" and maybe even "zInfant". 
If "he" is even a "he"

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Re: IPCS where subcommand with dataspaces

[Micheal Butz]

I am using CPOOL services with a dataspace and would like to know  
whether the storage is allocated or not


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Binyamin Dissen  
 wrote:


On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:28:29 -0400 Micheal Butz >

wrote:

:>Can the where subcommand or some similar command be used in IPCS  
with

:>dataspaces ???

To what point? What z/OS structures exist in a dataspace?

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Dave Kopischke]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan
>is not a real name either. Not a big deal.
>

Probably not. He was probably known as "zBoy" and maybe even "zInfant". 
If "he" is even a "he"

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Steve Dover]

The CUADDRs have been gone through several times as we built out the 
system.  

Bob Shannon, I do not have my syslog (stupid user middle of the night error), 
which of course did not make IBM very happy.  But I do have deallocations 
from a FDR Compaktor job that ran shortly before we discovered the two 
online volumes:

IEF237I JES2 ALLOCATED TO SYSIN
IEF237I 230D ALLOCATED TO DISK1
IEF285I   SYS10277.T012825.RA000.CCOPP7CP.R0120455 KEPT
IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PPRD13. 
IEF237I 2020 ALLOCATED TO DISK1
IEF285I   SYS10277.T012827.RA000.CCOPP7CP.R0120457 KEPT
IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PPRD13. 
IEF237I 214C ALLOCATED TO DISK1
IEF285I   SYS10277.T012828.RA000.CCOPP7CP.R0120458 KEPT
IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PPRD14. 
IEF472I CCOPP7CP VTOCCK - COMPLETION CODE - SYSTEM=000 USER=0888

The control card:
CPK TYPE=FASTCPK,VOL=(PPRD13,PPRD14),MAPS=SUMMARY,UNABLE=IGNORE

There are no specific DD cards in JCL, it is all allocated dynamically.  You 
can 
see about it allocated PPRD13 twice

John McKown, I only did D U,,, commands on the two volumes, no devserv 
commands.  Once I found the duplicate, I varied both offline on prod, checked 
the test lpar version from the test lpar to see what damage was there.  There 
were only a couple of backup files that had been created.  There were some 
data portions of VSAM clusters, that had already been reallocated due to 
problems earlier.  I varied the proper UCB (2020) back online to prod, move 
the backup files over, then let things go again.  I went back and reread my 
original post.  I did leave out one very important coincidence.  When we ipl'ed 
the production lpar Saturday, I was expecting and got the message 
IGGN505A, looking for our shared IODF/IPLPARMS/PARMLIB volume.  Everything 
on this volume (IODF00 - ucb 210D) is pretty much static.  There are only 3 
of us who have access to the datasets on this volume.  But, in our current 
IOCDS, this volume is defined OFFLINE=YES to our prod lpar.  The operator 
saw the message, then responded with 230D (our culprit), but the system 
rejected that response as invalid (IGGN306I).  He then responded with the 
proper UCB, 210D.  I went through syslog after I had corrected this error, but 
I could not find any indication that a duplicate volser had been mounted.  I am 
used to seeing the duplicate volser message and responding to the one that 
needs to be kept offline (this has been my playground for mosty of the 
summer), but I never saw anything like that.  But either way, my 
understanding is there is no way, on a JES2 single monoplex lpar to have the 
same volser mounted twice.


On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 14:40:03 -0400, Kreiter, Chuck 
 wrote:

>Did you verify your CUADDR's are correct?  I've seen an instance where
>the CUADDR was wrong and it brought up the same VOLUME on two UCB's.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
>Behalf Of Joel C. Ewing
>Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:56 AM
>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
>Subject: Re: Duplicate Volser
>
>But if this did indeed happen as described, you haven't answered the
>basic question about how this could have been allowed by MVS.  MVS is
>not supposed to allow two volumes with the same volser online at the
>same time, as a volser is supposed to be a unique identifier of an
>online physical volume.  It makes no difference if both are shared and
>accessible at IPl time. If two identical volsers are found that should
>be online, I have never seen a case where MVS did not complain and ask
>which of the two should be placed offline before allowing the MVS start
>up to proceed.  Somehow MVS would have to be convinced that both were
>the same physical device, which would require something really bizarre,
>like MVS thinking the address of one was a PAV alias address for the
>other, and information received from the DASD subsystem ought to
>preclude that from happening.
>   Joel C Ewing
>
>On 10/04/2010 07:22 AM, Richbourg, Claude wrote:
>> Check your IODF definition and see if the volumes are defined as
>> 'Shared' and set to come online at IPL time.
>> If so, when you vary them offline before an IPL, they will come online
>> at IPL time. You may need to search for DASD volumes that are only
>> accessible from the LPAR you wish them to be on. BTDT and it will make
>> your hair gray.
>>
>> Hope that Helps,
>> Claude
>>
>> --Snip --
>>
>> I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or
>> answer, in
>> case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new
>> 2098-
>> K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR
>> since
>> May.  Night of actual cutover to new mach

Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[McKown, John]

Especially given that z/OS 1.7 is not a valid "base" level for upgrading to 
z/OS 1.11 . The 1.7 system likely needs a LOT of maintenance. 

But, if the OP want to, there is a migration manual here:

http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/installation/installz111.html#pubs


This document describes what you must do to migrate from either of the two
releases that are supported for direct migration to z/OS V1R11
v z/OS V1R10
v z/OS V1R9
If you want to migrate to z/OS V1R11 from any other release, contact your IBM
representative to find out what alternatives are available.


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> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills
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> Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
> 
> Let me put it differently. I have been developing software on 
> z/OS and its
> predecessors off and on since 1968. I have installed a 
> particular form of
> IBM pre-packaged offering two or three times. I have owned 
> (in both the
> legal and familiar sense of the word) three different very small IBM
> mainframes. I have taught an "introduction to the IBM 
> mainframe" class.
> 
> I have a copy of nearly every z/OS manual.
> 
> I personally would not attempt to perform the upgrade of a 
> production z/OS.
> I know for certain that there is no way I would end up with 
> an optimally
> configured machine. I think the likelihood that I would end 
> up with a brick
> would be just as great as my likelihood of success. 
> 
> Charles
> 
> -Original Message-
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> 
> You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no 
> experience with
> z/OS.
> 
> z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A 
> lot of the
> documentation makes the assumption that you already know 
> everything that
> came before.
> 
> I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to 
> you. It is just
> a very complex and obscure problem you are facing.
> 
> IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an 
> additional cost. Your
> management might want to look into those, or into buying a 
> few hours of
> someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt 
> this. There are
> probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified 
> and willing to
> do this.
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[August Carideo]

Two different names from same email address hmmm

"Hilario G." 
John Smith 




   
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>I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
functions of "System Programmer."


Sent under two different names:
John Smith and Hilario G.

Very suspicious to me.
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Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[McKown, John]

Shmuel pointed out that this may not be the "best" way to do it. Apparently my 
experience is not really "large shop" where the "maintenance res" is never 
really used, but only cloned from. So an automatic ICKDSF PUTIPL might actually 
be a poor idea because it would make a person think everything is done. 
Whereas, in some cases, a manual PUTIPL needs to be done after a logical copy 
of some sort. Parochial of me.

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> It never hurts to open a requirement.
> 
> McKown, John wrote:
> > Just me going weird again. When SMP/E does a APPLY of 
> a PTF which has a co-req of another PTF, it usually forces 
> the second PTF to be APPLY'd as well. This happens in this 
> case too. The "problem" is that the APPLY of the IPLTEXT only 
> updates the SAMPLIB and leaves the actual installation to the 
> user in a separate job. Why can't SMP/E do the ICKDSF PUTIPL 
> command as well? It should know the volser to update - it is 
> the one containing the updated SYS1.NUCLEUS. And a RESTORE 
> would again do the PUTIPL function of ICKDSF.
> >
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Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[John Eells]

It never hurts to open a requirement.

McKown, John wrote:

Just me going weird again. When SMP/E does a APPLY of a PTF which has a co-req of 
another PTF, it usually forces the second PTF to be APPLY'd as well. This happens in this case 
too. The "problem" is that the APPLY of the IPLTEXT only updates the SAMPLIB and 
leaves the actual installation to the user in a separate job. Why can't SMP/E do the ICKDSF 
PUTIPL command as well? It should know the volser to update - it is the one containing the 
updated SYS1.NUCLEUS. And a RESTORE would again do the PUTIPL function of ICKDSF.




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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Never met a paranoid Canadian before .

A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged!

As for paranoia, losing a job, or two, due to outsourcing will do it.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

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> -Original Message-
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> 
> >Never met a paranoid Canadian before .
> 
> A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged!
> 
> As for paranoia, losing a job, or two, due to outsourcing will do it.

Very true! And I've almost had that here with one manager who basically thought 
z/OS, Windows, Linux, and AIX were "basically all the same" and could all be 
supported by MSCEs. And the Windows people here at the time (now gone) tried to 
reinforce that, apparently thinking that if they got control, they could force 
us to a 100% Windows shop when everything went into the toilet.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Not a big deal.

I'm not paranoid!
They are out to get us!

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[zMan]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, McKown, John
 wrote:
> Never met a paranoid Canadian before .

They're all paranoid -- they're afraid we'll think they're Americans!
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obtaining su/sec in real time

[Bob]

Last week i happened to notice an " IWM063I WLM POLICY WAS REFRESHED " 
msg on a z9 - which led us to finding the box was running ay 95% of normal. 
We will get an alert in place for this msg, but I'd like to be able to see this 
in 
real time. 
Does anyone know if this value is able to be determined by examining storage 
via REXX or another common method? 

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Re: IPCS where subcommand with dataspaces

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:28:29 -0400 Micheal Butz 
wrote:

:>Can the where subcommand or some similar command be used in IPCS with  
:>dataspaces ???

To what point? What z/OS structures exist in a dataspace?

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan
is not a real name either. Not a big deal.

Charles

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Two different names from same email address hmmm

"Hilario G." 
John Smith 

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IPCS where subcommand with dataspaces

[Micheal Butz]

Can the where subcommand or some similar command be used in IPCS with  
dataspaces ???


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

Nyah. His employer has downsized all of the mainframe expertise, figuring
"Horatio is bright and he's not real busy -- he can do it."

Charles

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>I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
functions of "System Programmer."


Sent under two different names:
John Smith and Hilario G.

Very suspicious to me.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

Let me put it differently. I have been developing software on z/OS and its
predecessors off and on since 1968. I have installed a particular form of
IBM pre-packaged offering two or three times. I have owned (in both the
legal and familiar sense of the word) three different very small IBM
mainframes. I have taught an "introduction to the IBM mainframe" class.

I have a copy of nearly every z/OS manual.

I personally would not attempt to perform the upgrade of a production z/OS.
I know for certain that there is no way I would end up with an optimally
configured machine. I think the likelihood that I would end up with a brick
would be just as great as my likelihood of success. 

Charles

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Of Charles Mills
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You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with
z/OS.

z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the
documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that
came before.

I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just
a very complex and obscure problem you are facing.

IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your
management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of
someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are
probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to
do this.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[McKown, John]

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:12 PM
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> 
> >I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to 
> perform the functions of "System Programmer."
> 
> 
> Sent under two different names:
> John Smith and Hilario G.
> 
> Very suspicious to me.
> -

I've seen that sort of thing from n00bs who copied and pasted. It only happened 
once and not since. Subsequent messages are all from Horatio. Not like somebody 
could "crack" a z/OS system using "installation" information. 

Never met a paranoid Canadian before .

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Re: FTP option help

[Starr, Alan]

OOPS! Sorry, I forgot that the ! subcommand must be prefixed with "quote" to 
get Windows to execute it:


quote !type temporary-file-name>>  permanent-file-name



As I already said, it's an alternative to use only if you can't get "append" to 
do what you want.

  

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Subject: FTP option help

We ftp a file form the mainframe to a windows box,that is the easy part.
My app dev folks want to append the file instead of replace, so I have them try 
append in place of replace..nope and then they try a few more things and 
nothing works, so I go online and look.
I give them the syntax append local file remote file and think I am done.
I get back form lunch only to find out nope again doesn't work.
Could someone please help me out?? I know you can so would someone please help 
me out?
thanks
Mace

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Re: FTP option help

[McKown, John]

APPEND localfile remotefile

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/f1a1b990/5.3


 Purpose

Use the APpend subcommand to append a local data set to a remote host.

Format

Click here to display pages in Accessible mode


>>__APpend__local_data_set__destination_file><

Parameters

local_data_set
The name of the data set on your local host to be appended.

destination_file
The name of the file on the remote host to which your data set is appended. 
If the destination file does not already exist at the remote host, a new file 
is created. If the server is a z/OS UNIX server, the local file can be appended 
to a z/OS UNIX file or an MVS data set.



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Re: FTP option help

[Starr, Alan]

Mace,

I'm assuming that you're using a z/OS FTP client to "put" into a Windows server 
(perhaps IIS). If you cannot get the "append" subcommand to work (and I believe 
that it should), the following subcommands may work instead:


put z/OS-file-name   temporary-file-name

!type temporary-file-name>>  permanent-file-name

delete temporary-file-name


Note that "permanent-file-name" is the file to which the data is to be appended.

Cheers,
Alan
  

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Larry Macioce
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Subject: FTP option help

We ftp a file form the mainframe to a windows box,that is the easy part.
My app dev folks want to append the file instead of replace, so I have them try 
append in place of replace..nope and then they try a few more things and 
nothing works, so I go online and look.
I give them the syntax append local file remote file and think I am done.
I get back form lunch only to find out nope again doesn't work.
Could someone please help me out?? I know you can so would someone please help 
me out?
thanks
Mace

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Ted MacNEIL]

>I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the 
>functions of "System Programmer."


Sent under two different names:
John Smith and Hilario G.

Very suspicious to me.
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Re: FTP option help

[Greg Shirey]

What syntax did you give them?  

Here's what I see when I request help for the PUT command on my
mainframe system: 
help put 
 EZA1574I Usage : PUT localfile 
 EZA1575Isend localfile to remote host and store as foreignname  

I don't see any option for replace or append. 

Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Larry Macioce
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Subject: FTP option help

We ftp a file form the mainframe to a windows box,that is the easy part.
My app dev folks want to append the file instead of replace, so I have
them 
try append in place of replace..nope
and then they try a few more things and nothing works, so I go online
and 
look.
I give them the syntax append local file remote file and think I am
done.
I get back form lunch only to find out nope again doesn't work.
Could someone please help me out?? I know you can so would someone
please 
help me out?

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Re: Maximum # of processors for Z/os

[zMan]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Ed Gould  wrote:
> A LONG time ago(20+ years I think) IBM did some studies on the maximum number 
> of Processors that MVS (at that time) could effectively use before there was 
> degraded throughput. My memory says is was 15 (I could be wrong).
> Has Z/os changed that number, if so what is the current number before thruput 
> either is not helped or there is a straight line being nio help/no hurt ?
> I am talking 1 copy of MVS on a CEC not mulriple copies.

Well, technically, "not helped" and "straight line..." are the same;
you mean, "gets worse or is a straight line..."

'Tis an interesting question.
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Maximum # of processors for Z/os

[Ed Gould]

A LONG time ago(20+ years I think) IBM did some studies on the maximum number 
of Processors that MVS (at that time) could effectively use before there was 
degraded throughput. My memory says is was 15 (I could be wrong).
Has Z/os changed that number, if so what is the current number before thruput 
either is not helped or there is a straight line being nio help/no hurt ?
I am talking 1 copy of MVS on a CEC not mulriple copies.
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[August Carideo]

sorry if my reply was so brunt, but this was exactly my thoughts also



   
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You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with
z/OS.

z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the
documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that
came before.

I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is
just
a very complex and obscure problem you are facing.

IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your
management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of
someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are
probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to
do this.

Charles

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Hello,

The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this

version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7.

Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone
has
training manuals about it.

Also appreciate any comments or suggestions.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[zMan]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with
> z/OS.
>
> z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the
> documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that
> came before.
>
> I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just
> a very complex and obscure problem you are facing.
>
> IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your
> management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of
> someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are
> probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to
> do this.

Well said. A metaphor might help: just because you've rebuilt a Model
T doesn't mean you can easily work on a modern BMW. Or, for that
matter, vice versa.
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Charles Mills]

You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with
z/OS.

z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the
documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that
came before.

I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just
a very complex and obscure problem you are facing.

IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your
management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of
someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are
probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to
do this.

Charles

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Hello,

The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this 
version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7.

Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone
has 
training manuals about it.

Also appreciate any comments or suggestions.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Kreiter, Chuck]

Did you verify your CUADDR's are correct?  I've seen an instance where
the CUADDR was wrong and it brought up the same VOLUME on two UCB's.  

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But if this did indeed happen as described, you haven't answered the 
basic question about how this could have been allowed by MVS.  MVS is 
not supposed to allow two volumes with the same volser online at the 
same time, as a volser is supposed to be a unique identifier of an 
online physical volume.  It makes no difference if both are shared and 
accessible at IPl time. If two identical volsers are found that should 
be online, I have never seen a case where MVS did not complain and ask 
which of the two should be placed offline before allowing the MVS start 
up to proceed.  Somehow MVS would have to be convinced that both were 
the same physical device, which would require something really bizarre, 
like MVS thinking the address of one was a PAV alias address for the 
other, and information received from the DASD subsystem ought to 
preclude that from happening.
   Joel C Ewing

On 10/04/2010 07:22 AM, Richbourg, Claude wrote:
> Check your IODF definition and see if the volumes are defined as
> 'Shared' and set to come online at IPL time.
> If so, when you vary them offline before an IPL, they will come online
> at IPL time. You may need to search for DASD volumes that are only
> accessible from the LPAR you wish them to be on. BTDT and it will make
> your hair gray.
>
> Hope that Helps,
> Claude
>
> --Snip --
>
> I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or
> answer, in
> case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new
> 2098-
> K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR
> since
> May.  Night of actual cutover to new machine, did IPL, started
> everything and
> it all went mostly well (will not discuss testing protocol here).  Did
> IPL
> Saturday night and things have been hosed up since.  Lots of wierd
> little
> problems, all related to datasets on disk.  Got called tonight, apps
> group
> unable to resolve issue.  I start looking and find one of my
production
> volumes
> online.  Only problem, I find the Test LPAR version of this same
volume
> online
> too.  They have the same volser.  I have been back through the log,
> looking
> at all of the IPL messages, nothing related to duplicate volser (which
I
> am
> used to).  Thanks in advance for your help.
> Steve
>


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FTP option help

[Larry Macioce]

We ftp a file form the mainframe to a windows box,that is the easy part.
My app dev folks want to append the file instead of replace, so I have them 
try append in place of replace..nope
and then they try a few more things and nothing works, so I go online and 
look.
I give them the syntax append local file remote file and think I am done.
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HOD User Signon Capture

[Rick Sapp]

HOD expertise and insight appreciated

Have a problem:
Our external users can access our mainframe via web applications (the actual 
userID is passed rarely, most of the time it is an application ID).

UserID in HOD repository does not match the UserID on the mainframe, so any 
value of SMF recs is out.
  
Business wants to capture user occurrences of signing on to HOD to measure 
usage (some of our partners require this access to access our mainframe).

How can we capture that user information at the point of signon to the HOD 
internal security repository? 

-Are there HOD server logs where this information is present?
-Are there audit logs that have unsuccessful and successful access?
-Is there a parameter that can be set to capture this User Signon info?

Operating here without much to go on in no-manual land

Any assistance is appreciated.

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Hilario G.]

Hello,

The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this 
version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7.

Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone has 
training manuals about it.

Also appreciate any comments or suggestions.

Thank you very much

Hilario

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[McKown, John]

Perhaps I should have asked what the OP's background is. If he is a Intel type 
person, he may be (no offense meant!) a "put in a CD and boot to install" type 
person. That's how I installed Windows. And Linux. And NetBSD. Much easier than 
doing a z/OS install. I vaguely remember the shear hell that it was to create 
an OS/VS1 system "from scratch" with only a DOS/VSE machine around. Had to get 
time from IBM at their data center, do a gen, then backup and do a stand-alone 
restore of the basic system. z/VM, now that is nifty since you can IPL and 
install it from a DVD on the HMC, or from tapes. 

So, first question: What is the OP's background? z/VM? z/VSE? Linux? UNIX? 
Windows? Any "system admin" type background? z/OS applications programmer? 
Other applications programmer? Web developer? ...

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[August Carideo]

Maybe they should hire some who knows the MF
at one point they tried to outsource  one of our Z/os MF  guys, found out
the hard way was not so easy
and hired him back



   
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On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote:
> Hi colleagues,
>
> I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
> functions of "System Programmer."
>
> I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned
> training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.
>
> Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can
makes
> me get my email on the following topics:
> - Installing Z / OS
> - SMPE
> - SMS
> - RACF
> - USS
> - HFS
> - CICS
> - IMS / DB
> - REXX and CLIST
> - JES2
> - VSAM
> - DB2
>
> I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can
> help me (types of training books or notes).
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Hilario

Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page,
   http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/

but I first checked it out and am getting:

The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the
inconvenience.


So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming
series. It oughta' get you going.

So, what country are you in?




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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Grinsell, Don]

Go to the z/OS Basic Skills Center and look for the Installation and 
Maintenance link on the left.

http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp


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Hello,

Thank you all. I found information on the ABC's.
What I find is on the installation of a Z / OS. Anyone know if there is any 
manual or notes about it.

Anyone know if there is such information (at no installation training) to 
undertake this task.

Thank you very much

Hilario

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Re: IPCS and Dataspaces

[Rob Scott]

The RSMDATA command has a DSPACE option (you might need the RASP asid and its 
associated dataspace in the dump) 

You can also use the DSPNAME() keyword when browsing storage (if the dataspace 
has been dumped)

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Subject: IPCS and Dataspaces

Hi
Would anyone know if there is any information regarding Dataspaces in  
IPCS

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Hilario G.]

Hello,

Thank you all. I found information on the ABC's.
What I find is on the installation of a Z / OS. Anyone know if there is any 
manual or notes about it.

Anyone know if there is such information (at no installation training) to 
undertake this task.

Thank you very much

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Re: SMS and CATALOGED Message

[Ron Hawkins]

John,

So do they think SMS is going to let them allocate an uncatalogged dataset
with a STORCLAS?

Ron

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> 
> Our application staff has squawked about the loss of the cataloged message
for
> new disk datasets in batch jobs since we converted to SMS.
> 
> .IEF285I   J450SC.F450SCF1.MSCHSCHD.G6456V00CATALOGED
> .IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PRD9G8.
> 
> Is this a feature or might we do something?
> 
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IPCS and Dataspaces

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Hi
Would anyone know if there is any information regarding Dataspaces in  
IPCS


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Re: SMS and CATALOGED Message

[Craig Pace]

John,

Under SMS, all data sets must be cataloged if on an SMS managed volume. So 
the cataloged messages are replaced with messages like below.

IGD101I SMS ALLOCATED TO DDNAME (ddname  ) 
DSN (data-set-name   )
STORCLAS (storclas-name) MGMTCLAS (mgmt-las-name) DATACLAS 
(dataclas-name)
VOL SER NOS= sms-volume(s)


IGD104I data-set-nameRETAINED,  DDNAME=ddname



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Our application staff has squawked about the loss of the cataloged message 
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.IEF285I   J450SC.F450SCF1.MSCHSCHD.G6456V00CATALOGED
.IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PRD9G8.

Is this a feature or might we do something?

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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Paul Strauss]

I'd also suggest getting two TSO IDs. One with all the RACF special access
you need. Hopefully there is a security group to do that for you. Special
accesses such as operations, special, auditor etc.

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On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote:
> Hi colleagues,
>
> I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
> functions of "System Programmer."
>
> I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned
> training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.
>
> Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can
makes
> me get my email on the following topics:
> - Installing Z / OS
> - SMPE
> - SMS
> - RACF
> - USS
> - HFS
> - CICS
> - IMS / DB
> - REXX and CLIST
> - JES2
> - VSAM
> - DB2
>
> I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can
> help me (types of training books or notes).
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Hilario

Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page,
   http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/

but I first checked it out and am getting:

The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the
inconvenience.


So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming
series. It oughta' get you going.

So, what country are you in?




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SMS and CATALOGED Message

[Donnelly, John P]

Our application staff has squawked about the loss of the cataloged message for 
new disk datasets in batch jobs since we converted to SMS.

.IEF285I   J450SC.F450SCF1.MSCHSCHD.G6456V00CATALOGED
.IEF285I   VOL SER NOS= PRD9G8.

Is this a feature or might we do something?

John Donnelly
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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Steve Comstock]

On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote:

Hi colleagues,

I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
functions of "System Programmer."

I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned
training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.

Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes
me get my email on the following topics:
- Installing Z / OS
- SMPE
- SMS
- RACF
- USS
- HFS
- CICS
- IMS / DB
- REXX and CLIST
- JES2
- VSAM
- DB2

I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can
help me (types of training books or notes).

Thank you very much.

Hilario


Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page,
  http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/

but I first checked it out and am getting:

The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the inconvenience.


So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming
series. It oughta' get you going.

So, what country are you in?




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Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[McKown, John]

L.B. Dyck has a wonderful page pointing to some excellent IBM redbooks. May be 
tough going, but the information you need is in there!

http://www.lbdsoftware.com/abcs.html

ABCs of Systems Programming 

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> [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Smith
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
> Subject: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
> 
> Hi colleagues,
> 
> I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
> functions of "System Programmer."
> 
> I have no time to attend training and in my country there are 
> no planned
> training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.
> 
> Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or 
> the can makes
> me get my email on the following topics:
> - Installing Z / OS
> - SMPE
> - SMS
> - RACF
> - USS
> - HFS
> - CICS
> - IMS / DB
> - REXX and CLIST
> - JES2
> - VSAM
> - DB2
> 
> I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has 
> information that can
> help me (types of training books or notes).
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Hilario
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Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[Hilario G.]

Hi colleagues,

I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the 
functions of "System Programmer."

I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned 
training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.

Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me 
get my email on the following topics:
- Installing Z / OS
- SMPE
- SMS
- RACF
- USS
- HFS
- CICS
- IMS / DB
- REXX and CLIST
- JES2
- VSAM
- DB2

I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can 
help me (types of training books or notes).

Thank you very much.

Hilario 

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Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me

[John Smith]

Hi colleagues,

I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the
functions of "System Programmer."

I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned
training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course.

Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes
me get my email on the following topics:
- Installing Z / OS
- SMPE
- SMS
- RACF
- USS
- HFS
- CICS
- IMS / DB
- REXX and CLIST
- JES2
- VSAM
- DB2

I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can
help me (types of training books or notes).

Thank you very much.

Hilario

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Ted MacNEIL]

>JES3 on a local could have a different device than JES3 on the global.

You can do that with any multi-system config.
I thought we were talking about duplicates on the same system image.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Binyamin Dissen]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 15:23:57 + Ted MacNEIL  wrote:

:>>Is this a JES3 system?
:>>I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser online at a time with the 
same volser.
:>>I haven't worked with JES3 in a long time, so it may have changed.
:>
:>Since it is MVS doing the complaining during the actual IPL, before the 
remaining sub-systems start up, how can this be?

JES3 on a local could have a different device than JES3 on the global.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[McKown, John]

Just coming into this discussion and VERY confused!

What do you get when you do a:

D U,VOL=volser

for the duplicate? Do you get two different addresses? I get something like:

RESPONSE=LIH1
 IEE457I 10.31.01 UNIT STATUS 173
 UNIT TYPE STATUSVOLSER VOLSTATE
 210F 3390 S I16RS1 PRIV/RSDNT

What about a 

DS P,210F

where I see:

RESPONSE=LIH1
 IEE459I 10.31.50 DEVSERV PATHS 185
  UNIT DTYPE  M CNT VOLSER  CHPID=PATH STATUS
   RTYPE  SSID CFW TC   DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC   CYL CU-TYPE
 0201F,33903 ,O,000,PN0427,0F=+ 10=+ 36=+ 37=+ 38=+ 39=+
   2105   0100  Y  YY.  YY.  N  SIMPLEX   1F  1F  3339 2105
  SYMBOL DEFINITIONS 
 O = ONLINE + = PATH AVAILABLE

I'm wondering if you are are different arrays, could the SSID be duplicated? I 
really don't know!! And maybe

DS QP,210F

RESPONSE=LIH1
 IEE459I 10.34.21 DEVSERV QDASD 199
  UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE   CYL  SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC
 0210F I16RS1 2105800 2105000  3339  0101 0175-30593 0175-30593 *OK
   1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
   0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Bob Shannon]

> But I have SYSLOG proof that both UCBs are online at the same time, with the 
> same 
>VOLSER.

I've never seen this happen, and didn't think it could happen. I'd like to see 
proof that this occurred.

Bob Shannon
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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Is this a JES3 system?
>I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser online at a time with the 
>same volser.
>I haven't worked with JES3 in a long time, so it may have changed.

Since it is MVS doing the complaining during the actual IPL, before the 
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Re: BCPii and ACF2

[Ross Decent]

Hello Freddy, 
To be able to setup BCPii with CA ACF2 you will need to setup a rule to 
provide the APPLDATA that will be used as the community name.

 To be able to specify the community name for BCPii as defined in the RACF 
command... 
RALTER FACILITY HWI.TARGET.NET1.CPC001 APPLDATA('XYZ123') SETROPTS 
RACLIST(FACILITY) REFRESH

you would create the following rule under ACF2 :

 $KEY(HWI) TYPE(FAC)
 $USERDATA(XYZ123P)
 TARGET.NET1.CPC001 UID(*) ALLOW 

The $USERDATA will hold the community name instead of having to specify 
APPLDATA. 
I would suggest that you open a support call if this does not resolve your 
setup concerns. 
regards 
Ross Decent 
Sr.Principal Support Engineer 
CA Technologies 



On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 12:40:15 -0500, Freddy Guevara 
 wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Has anyone set up BCPii with ACF2? ... if so, could we get a copy of the
>commands to give to the security administrator?
>
>We assigned the BCPii community name (defined in the HMC) to our CEC name
>(SNA address of the processor).
>
>Thought we had it right but still getting HWI014I when BCPii tries to start up.
>
>Messages as follows:
>
>HWI016I THE BCPII COMMUNICATION RECOVERY ENVIRONMENT IS
>NOW ESTABLISHED.
>
>HWI007I BCPII IS ATTEMPTING COMMUNICATION WITH THE LOCAL CENTRAL
>PROCESSOR COMPLEX (CPC).
>
>HWI014I THE SNMP COMMUNITY NAME FOR BCPII IN THE SECURITY 155
>PRODUCT FOR THE LOCAL CPC IS EITHER NOT DEFINED OR IS INCORRECT.
>
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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Dover, Steve]

No, we are running JES2.

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Cc: Dover, Steve
Subject: Re: Duplicate Volser

Steve,

Is this a JES3 system?  I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser online 
at a time with the same volser.  I haven't worked with JES3 in a long time, so 
it may have changed.

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 Steve Dover  wrote: 
> Joel,
> 
> As we were setting up the new system, splitting the dasd between Test 
> and Prod, we frequently received the message during IPL asking which 
> UCB needed to left offline.  I expected that until I got my IODF 
> correct.  But I have SYSLOG proof that both UCBs are online at the 
> same time, with the same VOLSER.  I have not heard back from IBM yet, 
> will let you know if I hear anything.
> 
> Steve

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Eric Bielefeld]

Steve,

Is this a JES3 system?  I thought that JES3 allowed more than one volser online 
at a time with the same volser.  I haven't worked with JES3 in a long time, so 
it may have changed.

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 Steve Dover  wrote: 
> Joel,
> 
> As we were setting up the new system, splitting the dasd between Test and 
> Prod, we frequently received the message during IPL asking which UCB needed 
> to left offline.  I expected that until I got my IODF correct.  But I have 
> SYSLOG proof that both UCBs are online at the same time, with the same 
> VOLSER.  I have not heard back from IBM yet, will let you know if I hear 
> anything.
> 
> Steve

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Re: IPLTEXT and NUCLEUS dates

[Mark Jacobs]

I don't package my JES2 exits as usernods. I have one standard smpe controlled 
environment and use it to build production images for several different clients 
by applying the customizations for each client as I build them.
 
Mark Jacobs



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In <4ca4aab9.5010...@custserv.com>, on 09/30/2010
   at 11:20 AM, Mark Jacobs  said:

>Learning from the school of hard knocks, whenever I build a new
>environment I always reassemble all JES2 exits with the macro
>libraries  that are on the new sysres,

If you package your exits as source then it will be automatic.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Steve Dover]

Joel,

As we were setting up the new system, splitting the dasd between Test and 
Prod, we frequently received the message during IPL asking which UCB needed 
to left offline.  I expected that until I got my IODF correct.  But I have 
SYSLOG proof that both UCBs are online at the same time, with the same 
VOLSER.  I have not heard back from IBM yet, will let you know if I hear 
anything.

Steve

On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:56:07 -0500, Joel C. Ewing  
wrote:

>But if this did indeed happen as described, you haven't answered the
>basic question about how this could have been allowed by MVS.  MVS is
>not supposed to allow two volumes with the same volser online at the
>same time, as a volser is supposed to be a unique identifier of an
>online physical volume.  It makes no difference if both are shared and
>accessible at IPl time. If two identical volsers are found that should
>be online, I have never seen a case where MVS did not complain and ask
>which of the two should be placed offline before allowing the MVS start
>up to proceed.  Somehow MVS would have to be convinced that both were
>the same physical device, which would require something really bizarre,
>like MVS thinking the address of one was a PAV alias address for the
>other, and information received from the DASD subsystem ought to
>preclude that from happening.
>   Joel C Ewing
>
>On 10/04/2010 07:22 AM, Richbourg, Claude wrote:
>> Check your IODF definition and see if the volumes are defined as
>> 'Shared' and set to come online at IPL time.
>> If so, when you vary them offline before an IPL, they will come online
>> at IPL time. You may need to search for DASD volumes that are only
>> accessible from the LPAR you wish them to be on. BTDT and it will make
>> your hair gray.
>>
>> Hope that Helps,
>> Claude
>>
>> --Snip --
>>
>> I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or
>> answer, in
>> case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new
>> 2098-
>> K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR
>> since
>> May.  Night of actual cutover to new machine, did IPL, started
>> everything and
>> it all went mostly well (will not discuss testing protocol here).  Did
>> IPL
>> Saturday night and things have been hosed up since.  Lots of wierd
>> little
>> problems, all related to datasets on disk.  Got called tonight, apps
>> group
>> unable to resolve issue.  I start looking and find one of my production
>> volumes
>> online.  Only problem, I find the Test LPAR version of this same volume
>> online
>> too.  They have the same volser.  I have been back through the log,
>> looking
>> at all of the IPL messages, nothing related to duplicate volser (which I
>> am
>> used to).  Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Steve
>>
>
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Re: Really dumb IPL question

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <005d01cb5f72$0646ba00$12d42e...@org>, on 09/28/2010
   at 06:02 PM, Charles Mills  said:

>Judging from some of the posts here I think that those of you in the
>user sysprog community think we software vendors stay up at night
>trying to think of ways to annoy you. 

It doesn't matter whether it's incompetence, malice or orders from
above. If my boss asks me to evaluate a products, I'll tell him all of
the problems I spot regardless of the reasons for them.

>The problem is that many of us came up through a development career
>path, not a sysprog career path.

Part of development is requirements analysis. You need to talk to your
customers and potential customers.

>While I'm on a rant here you in the sysprog community should keep in
>mind that you are not the entire audience for our products.

And you need to keep in mind that in some shops we get asked before
procuring, and in some shops we get listened to when we suggest
dropping a product at renewal time.

If my boss tells me that we have budgetary problems and need to find
some software to drop, the first ones that I will suggest are the ones
that are causing problems.

So by all means put in additional information, but not at the expense
of the information that we need, and not in a misleading fashion.
 
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Re: AUTOLOG (Was: Really dumb IPL question)

[Barbara Nitz]

>Actually, in a way I cheated in pointing out that the AUTOLOG mechanism
>uses the CANCEL command because it does so only when the relevant server
>program is deemed to be in poor health. This assessment is made because of
>the lack of a "listening" port without which the server is ineffective. Thus 
>the
>assumption is made that, if the server program can't be doing anything 
useful -
> an assumption that the server supports *only* IP-based traffic, no harm will
>be done by chopping it off at the knees. I'm not sure this overlaps with your
>concerns.

No, not really. As I understand AUTOLOG (and I don't :-) ) it is a mechanism 
to start things, apparently with a bit of intelligence added. It does not care 
about the *orderly* shutdown right before an IPL when everything is working 
correctly in the first place.

And I am really surprised that they use 'cancel' instead of the appropriate 
termination commands (be it a stop command if such thing exists or a 'proper' 
terminate-thread-command, whatever that is).

Cancel that, I am not surprised. :-(

>I couldn't resist a glance in the direction of one of our list colleagues, one 
>of
>the "usual suspects", who never seems to let an opportunity go by in which to
>mention the lack of cooperation he experiences from one of his adjacent
>technical teams!
We have an 'adjacent' team not cooperating, too, but it is NOT my network 
guys! After all, we have a meet-every-day-for-lunch-to-share-information-and 
prod-them :-) relationship.

>My P.S.: Your English is excellent but there was a small slip recently of a use
>of "them" for "those" which corresponds to a dialect ...
Thank you. The quote sounds like you're originally from Scotland (after all, 
Scotty mangled the English language like that, right?) ... One can get it when 
one just 'listens' to how the written word sounds.

Now I have to go back and look which post this was with 'them' instead 
of 'those'. I really appreciate the correction.

Best regards, Barbara

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Joel C. Ewing]

But if this did indeed happen as described, you haven't answered the 
basic question about how this could have been allowed by MVS.  MVS is 
not supposed to allow two volumes with the same volser online at the 
same time, as a volser is supposed to be a unique identifier of an 
online physical volume.  It makes no difference if both are shared and 
accessible at IPl time. If two identical volsers are found that should 
be online, I have never seen a case where MVS did not complain and ask 
which of the two should be placed offline before allowing the MVS start 
up to proceed.  Somehow MVS would have to be convinced that both were 
the same physical device, which would require something really bizarre, 
like MVS thinking the address of one was a PAV alias address for the 
other, and information received from the DASD subsystem ought to 
preclude that from happening.

  Joel C Ewing

On 10/04/2010 07:22 AM, Richbourg, Claude wrote:

Check your IODF definition and see if the volumes are defined as
'Shared' and set to come online at IPL time.
If so, when you vary them offline before an IPL, they will come online
at IPL time. You may need to search for DASD volumes that are only
accessible from the LPAR you wish them to be on. BTDT and it will make
your hair gray.

Hope that Helps,
Claude

--Snip --

I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or
answer, in
case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new
2098-
K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR
since
May.  Night of actual cutover to new machine, did IPL, started
everything and
it all went mostly well (will not discuss testing protocol here).  Did
IPL
Saturday night and things have been hosed up since.  Lots of wierd
little
problems, all related to datasets on disk.  Got called tonight, apps
group
unable to resolve issue.  I start looking and find one of my production
volumes
online.  Only problem, I find the Test LPAR version of this same volume
online
too.  They have the same volser.  I have been back through the log,
looking
at all of the IPL messages, nothing related to duplicate volser (which I
am
used to).  Thanks in advance for your help.
Steve




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Re: Really dumb IPL question

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 09/29/2010
   at 05:15 PM, Peter Nuttall  said:

>I guess, in their defence they never intended/suggested for the IP 
>listeners to work as Started Tasks, 

Tell them to read the documentation for QEDIT, because it has worked
equally well for, e.g., batch jobs, TSO sessions, for 4 decades.
 
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Re: Really dumb IPL question

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 09/28/2010
   at 10:26 PM, "Robert A. Rosenberg"  said:

>Shutting down a Started Task can be done in the way other STCs are 
>controlled.

Not if it is programmed ineptly.

>You can issue a WTOR which allows the request to shut 
>down to be sent

Please don't; that approach is so 1960's.

>or you can just use the Modify (F) or STOP (P) command.

That's controlled by the author, not by the automation package.

>It sounds like those Ops/Automation 
>types are brain dead and do not understand what they are doing.

It sounds like you need to read Peter's message again; the offending
code is not in the automation software and not under the control of
those using it. AUTOOPS can issue STOP commands until the cows come
home, but it can't force the application to act on the STOP CIB.
 
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Re: Really dumb IPL question

[Tom Marchant]

On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:35:03 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

>CANCEL precludes an orderly shutdown.

It does unless you have an ESTAE exit and take appropriate action.

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Duplicate Volser

[Steve Dover]

I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or answer, in 
case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new 2098-
K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR since 
May.  Night of actual cutover to new machine, did IPL, started everything and 
it all went mostly well (will not discuss testing protocol here).  Did IPL 
Saturday night and things have been hosed up since.  Lots of wierd little 
problems, all related to datasets on disk.  Got called tonight, apps group 
unable to resolve issue.  I start looking and find one of my production volumes 
online.  Only problem, I find the Test LPAR version of this same volume online 
too.  They have the same volser.  I have been back through the log, looking 
at all of the IPL messages, nothing related to duplicate volser (which I am 
used to).  Thanks in advance for your help.
Steve

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Re: BCPii and ACF2

[Mary Anne Matyaz]

Freddy, 
Did you reboot the SE after you made the SNMP changes? 

Maybe if you could post your definitions, both the SNMP SE settings and the 
ACF2 definitions, we could take a look. 

Thanks, 
Mary Anne

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Re: BCPii and ACF2

[Dell'Anno, Aurora Emanuela]

Freddy,

Have you opened an issue at http://support.ca.com? I am no ACF2 expert
myself, but our support team would be able to help you in no time at
all...



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-Original Message-
From: Freddy Guevara [mailto:freddy.guev...@jpmchase.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2010 18:40
Subject: BCPii and ACF2

Hello,

Has anyone set up BCPii with ACF2? ... if so, could we get a copy of the
commands to give to the security administrator?

We assigned the BCPii community name (defined in the HMC) to our CEC
name (SNA address of the processor).

Thought we had it right but still getting HWI014I when BCPii tries to
start up.

Messages as follows:

HWI016I THE BCPII COMMUNICATION RECOVERY ENVIRONMENT IS
NOW ESTABLISHED.   

HWI007I BCPII IS ATTEMPTING COMMUNICATION WITH THE LOCAL CENTRAL
PROCESSOR COMPLEX (CPC).

HWI014I THE SNMP COMMUNITY NAME FOR BCPII IN THE SECURITY 155   
PRODUCT FOR THE LOCAL CPC IS EITHER NOT DEFINED OR IS INCORRECT.




Thanks in advance.

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Re: Duplicate Volser

[Richbourg, Claude]

Check your IODF definition and see if the volumes are defined as
'Shared' and set to come online at IPL time.
If so, when you vary them offline before an IPL, they will come online
at IPL time. You may need to search for DASD volumes that are only
accessible from the LPAR you wish them to be on. BTDT and it will make
your hair gray.

Hope that Helps,
Claude 

--Snip --

I am posting to the list, while I go search IBM for the cause and/or
answer, in 
case someone has the answer already.  Upgraded to z/OS V1.11 on new
2098-
K02, with new IBM DS6800 dasd array.  Have been testing on Test LPAR
since 
May.  Night of actual cutover to new machine, did IPL, started
everything and 
it all went mostly well (will not discuss testing protocol here).  Did
IPL 
Saturday night and things have been hosed up since.  Lots of wierd
little 
problems, all related to datasets on disk.  Got called tonight, apps
group 
unable to resolve issue.  I start looking and find one of my production
volumes 
online.  Only problem, I find the Test LPAR version of this same volume
online 
too.  They have the same volser.  I have been back through the log,
looking 
at all of the IPL messages, nothing related to duplicate volser (which I
am 
used to).  Thanks in advance for your help.
Steve

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