FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
So, since I transfer 4 DFDSS dumps a day via TERSE and FTP, I thought I'd put together a test restore to see what happened. I used the following FTP command stream; which is identical, except for replacing the put with a get, to the outbound. It worked fine; a DFDSS TYPRUN=NORUN restore read the entire dataset and would have restored the known universe. The site rdw command gets a command not understood, since the Windows FTP server doesn't do Record Descriptor Words. Here are the FTP commands. note the clever use of the DDNAME option. nottherealserver nottherealuid nottherealpswd binary site rdw cd \ftp\blue2\backup lcd 'TEMP.FULLSYS.DFDSS.SHIFTBK.BACKUPR' status ls lpwd pwd get shift.trs //DD:SYSUT1 quit Edward Long -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
Doug, When you FTP'd the data set from the Windows machine to the z/OS machine, did you either preallocate the target data set or specify the data set attributes (LRECL, RECFM) with the QUOTE SITE command? The z/OS FTP server defaults might not be right for the TERSED files. A few months ago I did what you are doing without a problem. Regards, Gary DiPillo Doug Evans wrote: I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Now I've noticed in some searching of the web the that EBCDIC parameter being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( Thanks for any help rendered... Doug Evans -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Axios Products, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 631-864-3666 x133 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:30:33 +0800, Johnny Luo wrote: BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. Not necessary for TERSEd files. And of no help to the OP, who now has the data only on the Windows server. On Dec 6, 2007 11:33 AM, Doug Evans wrote: system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Using Windows as a client and z/OS as a server the following works for me for tersed datasets (binary ftping in both directions): ftp quote site lrecl=1024 recfm=fb blksize=6144 200 SITE command was accepted to check allocation parameters: ftp quote stat . . . 211-Record format FB, Lrecl: 1024, Blocksize: 6144 After that I just (binary) put the tersed dataset. -- Zaromil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
When I use DFDSS to download a volume or dataset(s) to be transferred to another host, I always include BLKSIZE=32760 on the output file in DFDSS. Even though DFDSS does not care, it does help my transfer process whether that is NDM, XCOM, FTP. If you terse the file you need to make sure you upload it with the same attributes that the terse files has. That will also be the case for a TSO XMITTed file. Your BIN transfer is okay, so long as you keep the file attributes the same on the host. Lizette I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
- Original Message - From: Doug Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? If you downloaded the TERSEd files to your PC as BINARY, then you can still recover, just upload them BINARY to an FB1024 file and DETERSE, then DFDSS RESTORE. If you downloaded the DFDSS DUMP files directly to the PC, even as binary, you are hosed. You play with the QUOTE and SITE commands at your own risk. It's ALWAYS safer to use BINARY transfer of TERSEd or XMIT'ed files. The shortcuts are great when they work, but I can't take that chance. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
Thanks Gary (and others), I think I forgot to mention though is that in this case, the DUMP data set was not TERSED first- thus the problem Thanks, Doug. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:30:33 +0800, Johnny Luo wrote: BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. Not necessary for TERSEd files. And of no help to the OP, who now has the data only on the Windows server. On Dec 6, 2007 11:33 AM, Doug Evans wrote: system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( I will throw my two cents into this as (unless something has been fixed or changed) ... Long time ago and far far away the only way to get a DFDSS dump to ftp was to specify on the output statement (at creation time) was to put DCB=BLKSIZE=32760 that told DFDSS *not* to create large blocksize (gt 32K) tapes. 32K is the largest FTP can handle (last I heard). If this has changed will someonbe correct me and let me know what apar fixed this. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Now I've noticed in some searching of the web the that EBCDIC parameter being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( Thanks for any help rendered... Doug Evans -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. On Dec 6, 2007 11:33 AM, Doug Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Now I've noticed in some searching of the web the that EBCDIC parameter being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( Thanks for any help rendered... Doug Evans -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTPing of DFDSS Dump Files
It is so easy to do it with MFNetDisk!! Moving system from one site to another can be done by using PC Device with source mirror as the MVS source disk and target mirror as the target MVS disk. You can do it without need to stop the source disk and without have degradation in the performance using the ASync mode. So in general the PC will take care that the source disk will be copy to the target disk and all the update to the source disk will update also the target disk. If you need more information please email me your questions. Thanks, Shai On 12/5/07, Johnny Luo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BINARY mode itself is not enough. 'quote stru r' is what you need. On Dec 6, 2007 11:33 AM, Doug Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need to move on zOS system to another. My simply plan was to dump datasets using DFDSS DUMP and then transferring the DUMP file to the other system using FTP. For the most part it worked out ok- in fact we'd TERSE the DUMP file before FTPing and DETERSE after saving lots of bandwidth. But I've falling into a situation where I have a problem. If I FTP the DUMP file to a Windows server using BINARY mode, and then FTP it back to a zOS system in BINARY mode- DFDSS cannot read the thing. My rear is still sore over this one. Does anyone know of a way to FTP the DUMP file back to a zOS system so it is readable? Now I've noticed in some searching of the web the that EBCDIC parameter being mention during the FTP transfer, would that help? BTW- I cannot go back and recreate the DUMP files- all I have to work with is the transferred copies on the Windows Server... :-( Thanks for any help rendered... Doug Evans -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Best Regards, Johnny Luo -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
