XRC Flashcopy
We are trying to flash from secondary to tertiary storage and receive the following error. From what I can see it looks like (reas=82) Wait limit expired for startup of the indicated partner ANTUXFQE instance. The timeout was about 30 seconds after the FC started. 18:01:39 | 'XRC='EDCPMSTR FC0SUSPEND SECONDARY COORD WFEP,Z=99' STARTED 18:01:39 M VPCTRACE XRC='EDCPMSTR FC0SUSPEND SECONDARY COORD WFEP,Z=99' STARTE 18:01:39 C VPCEXTAL: NVDP1 SDMs EDCP01,EDCP02,EDCP04 18:01:39 | AOFRUPDT: KTLP FLIP GEOTRACE ,STATUS=GEOTRACE 18:01:39 | 'INITIATE COORDINATED FC FOR SDMS RUNNING ON NVDP1 18:01:39 M VPCTRACE INITIATE COORDINATED FC FOR SDMS RUNNING ON NVDP1 18:02:10 C VPCEXTAL: ANTUXFQE Message: ANTU2201E, DI 18:02:15 | AOFRUPDT: KTLP FLIP GEOTRACE ,STATUS= FQE ERROR. RC=2C, REAS=82GEOTRACE 18:02:15 | 'FC0SUSPEND FAILED ON SDM SYSTEM NVDP1 RC= 98 18:02:15 M VPCTRACE FC0SUSPEND FAILED ON SDM SYSTEM NVDP1 RC= 98 18:02:15 C VPCETAKE: Returncode from VPCEXTAL is 98 18:02:15 - DSI205I 000 TIMER ELEMENTS PURGED OP = 'AUTGEO2' 18:02:15 | AOFRUPDT: KTLP FLIP GEOTRACE ,STATUS=GEOPRIM We have a ticket opened with IBM; but I wanted to know from the list if anyone else has experienced this? We've used this script several times in the past and everything has worked fine. We are under a time crunch because we are preparing for a disaster recovery test. Thanks. Sharon Lopez z/OS Systems Programmer State of North Carolina Office of Information Technology Services 919-754-6432 (Work) 919-398-8638 (Cell) sharon.lo...@nc.gov http://www.its.state.nc.ushttp://www.its.state.nc.us/ E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
Good evening Scott, I need your help once again. I'm trying to restore 2 files from the FRBACKUP that's done nightly, but my problem is that I don't know what backup the dataset is on. I'm sure that this is a dumb question for you, but for me it's impossible to know. Can you help? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-251* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: I have quite a bit of experience using FRBACKUP, so feel free to contact me if you have questions. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:14 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: I've already started the investigation on how to get the job done and you're right, it's not a small task. I appreciate the information. Thanks, George Rodriguez Specialist II - IT Solutions Application Support / Quality Assurance PX - 47652 (561) 357-7652 (office) (561) 707-3496 (mobile) School District of Palm Beach County 3348 Forest Hill Blvd. Room B-332 West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869 Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed May 04 17:26:03 2011 Subject: Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work? Yes, though I don't know about using command backup, I usually use HSM autodump. However, use of FRBACKUP will require a certain amount of setup, so it is not appropriate for ad-hoc uses. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: Scott, So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes, DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Is there no way that I can use the backup taken by DFhsm to restore these
files? I really need HELP
Thanks. . .
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote:
When I issued the HLIST command, this is what I got:
ARC0138I NO MCDS INFORMATION FOUND FOR DATASET TX#P.F.TEXT.INV
DSN=TX#P.F.TEXT.INV BACK FREQ = *** MAX
VERS=***
BDSN=DFHSM.BACK.T282203.TX#P.F.A BACKVOL=V22915
FRVOL=PPRD24
BACKDATE=11/04/21 BACKTIME=03:22:20 CAT=YES GEN=000 VER=590 UNS/RET=
NO
RACF IND=NO BACK PROF=NO
ARC0140I LIST COMPLETED,4 LINE(S) OF DATA OUTPUT
***
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the
following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School
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Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
I was under the impression that HLIST would show all recoverable backups
including those taken by the Dump command. I may well be mistaken in this.
Your HLIST output shows one backup which could be recovered.
Have you opened a ticket with IBM?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:15 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Is there no way that I can use the backup taken by DFhsm to restore these
files? I really need HELP
Thanks. . .
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote:
When I issued the HLIST command, this is what I got:
ARC0138I NO MCDS INFORMATION FOUND FOR DATASET TX#P.F.TEXT.INV
DSN=TX#P.F.TEXT.INV BACK FREQ = *** MAX
VERS=***
BDSN=DFHSM.BACK.T282203.TX#P.F.A BACKVOL=V22915
FRVOL=PPRD24
BACKDATE=11/04/21 BACKTIME=03:22:20 CAT=YES GEN=000 VER=590 UNS/RET=
NO
RACF IND=NO BACK PROF=NO
ARC0140I LIST COMPLETED,4 LINE(S) OF DATA OUTPUT
***
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the
following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School
Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want
your e-mail address
released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic
mail to this entity.
Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing.
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Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Not sure if this is an actual problem with the code, but I guess I can ask
them a question on how to use it. The other problem I might have is support.
I'm on v1.9 of z/OS it may be out of support by now. We're working on
getting v1.11 in, but it's at least 3 to 4 weeks away.
Do you think I'm the only one that does flash copies and backs up the
flashed volume?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:10 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
I was under the impression that HLIST would show all recoverable backups
including those taken by the Dump command. I may well be mistaken in this.
Your HLIST output shows one backup which could be recovered.
Have you opened a ticket with IBM?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:15 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Is there no way that I can use the backup taken by DFhsm to restore these
files? I really need HELP
Thanks. . .
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote:
When I issued the HLIST command, this is what I got:
ARC0138I NO MCDS INFORMATION FOUND FOR DATASET TX#P.F.TEXT.INV
DSN=TX#P.F.TEXT.INV BACK FREQ = *** MAX
VERS=***
BDSN=DFHSM.BACK.T282203.TX#P.F.A BACKVOL=V22915
FRVOL=PPRD24
BACKDATE=11/04/21 BACKTIME=03:22:20 CAT=YES GEN=000 VER=590
UNS/RET=
NO
RACF IND=NO BACK PROF=NO
ARC0140I LIST COMPLETED,4 LINE(S) OF DATA OUTPUT
***
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying
(unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the
following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School
Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not
want
your e-mail address
released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic
mail to this entity.
Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing.
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Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
I would think not, but you haven't gotten a lot of feedback on this post (at
least not publicly).
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:12 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Not sure if this is an actual problem with the code, but I guess I can ask
them a question on how to use it. The other problem I might have is support.
I'm on v1.9 of z/OS it may be out of support by now. We're working on
getting v1.11 in, but it's at least 3 to 4 weeks away.
Do you think I'm the only one that does flash copies and backs up the
flashed volume?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:10 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
I was under the impression that HLIST would show all recoverable backups
including those taken by the Dump command. I may well be mistaken in this.
Your HLIST output shows one backup which could be recovered.
Have you opened a ticket with IBM?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:15 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Is there no way that I can use the backup taken by DFhsm to restore these
files? I really need HELP
Thanks. . .
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:38 AM, George Rodriguez
george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote:
When I issued the HLIST command, this is what I got:
ARC0138I NO MCDS INFORMATION FOUND FOR DATASET TX#P.F.TEXT.INV
DSN=TX#P.F.TEXT.INV BACK FREQ = *** MAX
VERS=***
BDSN=DFHSM.BACK.T282203.TX#P.F.A BACKVOL=V22915
FRVOL=PPRD24
BACKDATE=11/04/21 BACKTIME=03:22:20 CAT=YES GEN=000 VER=590
UNS/RET=
NO
RACF IND=NO BACK PROF=NO
ARC0140I LIST COMPLETED,4 LINE(S) OF DATA OUTPUT
***
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying
(unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the
following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
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Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George, You are not alone. We have an entire process on its own lpar devoted to backups from target SNAPs and/or flashcopies. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes I would think not, but you haven't gotten a lot of feedback on this post (at least not publicly). David O'Brien NIH Contractor -Original Message- From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes Not sure if this is an actual problem with the code, but I guess I can ask them a question on how to use it. The other problem I might have is support. I'm on v1.9 of z/OS it may be out of support by now. We're working on getting v1.11 in, but it's at least 3 to 4 weeks away. Do you think I'm the only one that does flash copies and backs up the flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Hi Bob, So how do you restore 2 files from a full volume backup of a flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: George, You are not alone. We have an entire process on its own lpar devoted to backups from target SNAPs and/or flashcopies. Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes I would think not, but you haven't gotten a lot of feedback on this post (at least not publicly). David O'Brien NIH Contractor -Original Message- From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes Not sure if this is an actual problem with the code, but I guess I can ask them a question on how to use it. The other problem I might have is support. I'm on v1.9 of z/OS it may be out of support by now. We're working on getting v1.11 in, but it's at least 3 to 4 weeks away. Do you think I'm the only one that does flash copies and backs up the flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George, The HSM Storage Administrator book gives this example: In this example, the most recently dumped version of a specific data set that was dumped to a specific dump class (EXTRA) is recovered and given a different name. RECOVER B110066.POF.N.F230EP06.DSET3 + NEWNAME(B110066.POFNEW.NRECOV.F230EP06.DSET3) + FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(EXTRA)) From the example you gave before, you might try: HRECOVER TX#P.F.TEXT.INV FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) + NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE I don't know if the Replace is needed, and I'd experiment myself, but I don't have HSM in my shop. (I worked with it years ago at my former employer, and I remember that there were a lot of environmental variables to consider...) HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes Hi Bob, So how do you restore 2 files from a full volume backup of a flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Hi Greg, I've tried this one and the dataset that's restored is back from Apr 2011. The one that's displayed when I did the HLIST someone suggested. Please remember that I'm flashing the original drives using ADRDSSU to a set of specific volumes. Then I use DFhsm to perform the backup using the DUMPCLASS of DAILYDR to my VTL drives. *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com wrote: George, The HSM Storage Administrator book gives this example: In this example, the most recently dumped version of a specific data set that was dumped to a specific dump class (EXTRA) is recovered and given a different name. RECOVER B110066.POF.N.F230EP06.DSET3 + NEWNAME(B110066.POFNEW.NRECOV.F230EP06.DSET3) + FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(EXTRA)) From the example you gave before, you might try: HRECOVER TX#P.F.TEXT.INV FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) + NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE I don't know if the Replace is needed, and I'd experiment myself, but I don't have HSM in my shop. (I worked with it years ago at my former employer, and I remember that there were a lot of environmental variables to consider...) HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes Hi Bob, So how do you restore 2 files from a full volume backup of a flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George, I think the best way to handle this is to restore the datasets w/DSS outside of HSM. HSM isn't very good at this, since the datasets weren't cataloged on the flashcopied volumes when you dumped them, and HSM doesn't know you did the flashcopy. This is why you need to move to FRBACKUP. On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:10 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: Hi Greg, I've tried this one and the dataset that's restored is back from Apr 2011. The one that's displayed when I did the HLIST someone suggested. Please remember that I'm flashing the original drives using ADRDSSU to a set of specific volumes. Then I use DFhsm to perform the backup using the DUMPCLASS of DAILYDR to my VTL drives. *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com wrote: George, The HSM Storage Administrator book gives this example: In this example, the most recently dumped version of a specific data set that was dumped to a specific dump class (EXTRA) is recovered and given a different name. RECOVER B110066.POF.N.F230EP06.DSET3 + NEWNAME(B110066.POFNEW.NRECOV.F230EP06.DSET3) + FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(EXTRA)) From the example you gave before, you might try: HRECOVER TX#P.F.TEXT.INV FROMDUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) + NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE I don't know if the Replace is needed, and I'd experiment myself, but I don't have HSM in my shop. (I worked with it years ago at my former employer, and I remember that there were a lot of environmental variables to consider...) HTH, Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George Rodriguez Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes Hi Bob, So how do you restore 2 files from a full volume backup of a flashed volume? *George Rodriguez* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11. I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the following command on all 89 volumes: HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11) NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE Can anyone help me? *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George, Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define Dumpclass? David O'Brien NIH Contractor -Original Message- From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11. I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the following command on all 89 volumes: HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11) NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE Can anyone help me? *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
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From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
*George Rodriguez*
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Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
Here's what I have specified: DEFINE /* Define a dump class named DAILYDR */ - DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR /* that is dumped everyday for */ - FREQ(1) /* production data. It is held for 7 */ - RETPD(8) /* days and the tape is reused when */ - AUTOREUSE /* it is scratched. */ - NORESET - DATASETRESTORE- VTOCCOPIES(7)) *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:04 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote: George, Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define Dumpclass? David O'Brien NIH Contractor -Original Message- From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11. I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the following command on all 89 volumes: HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11) NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE Can anyone help me? *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
When I issued the HLIST command, this is what I got:
ARC0138I NO MCDS INFORMATION FOUND FOR DATASET TX#P.F.TEXT.INV
DSN=TX#P.F.TEXT.INV BACK FREQ = *** MAX
VERS=***
BDSN=DFHSM.BACK.T282203.TX#P.F.A BACKVOL=V22915
FRVOL=PPRD24
BACKDATE=11/04/21 BACKTIME=03:22:20 CAT=YES GEN=000 VER=590 UNS/RET=
NO
RACF IND=NO BACK PROF=NO
ARC0140I LIST COMPLETED,4 LINE(S) OF DATA OUTPUT
***
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On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:26 AM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote:
You might also issue a HLIST DSN('TX#P.F.TEXT.INV') BOTH
To see what HSM has for backups and where they are located.
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:05 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
George,
Do you have DATASETRESTORE or NODATASETRESTORE specified in your Define
Dumpclass?
David O'Brien
NIH Contractor
-Original Message-
From: George Rodriguez [mailto:george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 10:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: DFhsm HRECOVER Dataset from FLASHCOPY Volumes
There are daily jobs that run that flash copies PPRD00-PPRD88 to
XPRD00-XPRD88. I then use DFSMShsm SEND command to BACKVOL VOL(XPRDnn)
DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)). The output dataset is on VTL with the name
DFHSM.DMP.DAILYDR.VXPRDnn.D11223.T311301. What I'm trying (unsuccessfully)
to do is HRECOVER 2 datasets from 2011/08/11.
I don't know the X VOLSER the dataset is on, but I did issue the
following
command on all 89 volumes:
HRECOVER 'TX#P.F.TEXT.INV' FROMVOLUME(XPRDnn) DATE(2011/08/11)
NEWNAME(TX#T.F.TEXT.INV) REPLACE
Can anyone help me?
*George Rodriguez*
*Specialist II - IT Solutions*
*Application Support / Quality Assurance*
*PX - 47652*
*(561) 357-7652 (office)*
*(561) 707-3496 (mobile)*
*School District of Palm Beach County*
*3348 Forest Hill Blvd.*
*Room B-332*
*West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869*
*Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Seven Consecutive Years*
Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School
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Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
I have quite a bit of experience using FRBACKUP, so feel free to contact me if you have questions. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:14 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: I've already started the investigation on how to get the job done and you're right, it's not a small task. I appreciate the information. Thanks, George Rodriguez Specialist II - IT Solutions Application Support / Quality Assurance PX - 47652 (561) 357-7652 (office) (561) 707-3496 (mobile) School District of Palm Beach County 3348 Forest Hill Blvd. Room B-332 West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869 Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed May 04 17:26:03 2011 Subject: Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work? Yes, though I don't know about using command backup, I usually use HSM autodump. However, use of FRBACKUP will require a certain amount of setup, so it is not appropriate for ad-hoc uses. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: Scott, So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes, DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you
How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
Scott, So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes, DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
Yes, though I don't know about using command backup, I usually use HSM autodump. However, use of FRBACKUP will require a certain amount of setup, so it is not appropriate for ad-hoc uses. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: Scott, So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes, DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information
Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work?
I've already started the investigation on how to get the job done and you're right, it's not a small task. I appreciate the information. Thanks, George Rodriguez Specialist II - IT Solutions Application Support / Quality Assurance PX - 47652 (561) 357-7652 (office) (561) 707-3496 (mobile) School District of Palm Beach County 3348 Forest Hill Blvd. Room B-332 West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869 Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed May 04 17:26:03 2011 Subject: Re: How Does DFhsm and Flashcopy Work? Yes, though I don't know about using command backup, I usually use HSM autodump. However, use of FRBACKUP will require a certain amount of setup, so it is not appropriate for ad-hoc uses. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:33 PM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: Scott, So to paraphrase what you're saying, if I use FRBACKUP to perform the Flashcopy then I use the DFhsm commands to backup the FRBACKUP volumes, DFhsm will know that the backup is on flash copied backup. It that correct? * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Scott Rowe scott.r...@joann.com wrote: When you do the FlashCopy yourself like this, then HSM doesn't know that it is a backup of PTST00, so he doesn't look to this backup to restore a dataset on PTST00. It looks to me like you should be using FRBACKUP for this, so that it is HSM that is doing the FlashCopy, and he knows what the backup really is. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:47 AM, George Rodriguez george.rodrig...@palmbeachschools.org wrote: When a Flashcopy of volumes are done and commands are sent to DFhsm to DUMP the all the flashed volumes, how do I recover a lost dataset. I honestly thought that DFhsm would know that this procedure was done and it would use the flashed copy to recover the dataset, but when I use ISMF to either HRECOVER or RESTORE the dataset it's not using the flashed copy. I'm going to provide the JCL that I use to Flashcopy the volume(s) and the job to back up the volume, just in case: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD * COPY FULL INDY(PTST00) OUTDY(XTST00) FCNOCOPY PURGE DUMPCONDITIONING . . Here's the backup job: //STEP010 EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01 //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=X //SYSTSIN DD * HSENDCMD BACKVOL VOL(XTST00) DUMP(DUMPCLASS(DAILYDR)) . . Thanks for the help. * * *George Rodriguez* *Specialist II - IT Solutions* *Application Support / Quality Assurance* *PX - 47652* *(561) 357-7652 (office)* *(561) 707-3496 (mobile)* *School District of Palm Beach County* *3348 Forest Hill Blvd.* *Room B-332* *West Palm Beach, FL. 33406-5869* *Florida's Only A-Rated Urban District For Six Consecutive Years* Home of Florida's first LEED Gold Certified School Under Florida law, e-mail addresses are public records. If you do not want your e-mail address released in response to a public records request, do not send electronic mail to this entity. Instead, contact this office by phone or in writing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Home
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
If you feel like doing some coding, you can use the ANTRQST API. Take a look at z/OS DFSMSdfp Advanced Copy Services (SC25-0428) for more details. Starting with z/OS 1.12, the REXX interface to ANTRQST will be documented. If you want a preview of how to code the REXX calls, take a look at SYS1.DGTCLIB(ANTFREXX) for a sample. John DFSMSdss provides all the interface for all the FCV2 functions you may want to use. Is there a specific function that you cannot get find in the DFSMSdss support? Did you know can use the COPY command in the ISMF dataset list to build and submit a DFSMSdss batch job. It just doesn't have a foreground option. Perhaps the FlashCopy processing you require is in those panels. All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
Ok...thanks all...I'll off an coding now -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Ticic Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution) If you feel like doing some coding, you can use the ANTRQST API. Take a look at z/OS DFSMSdfp Advanced Copy Services (SC25-0428) for more details. Starting with z/OS 1.12, the REXX interface to ANTRQST will be documented. If you want a preview of how to code the REXX calls, take a look at SYS1.DGTCLIB(ANTFREXX) for a sample. John DFSMSdss provides all the interface for all the FCV2 functions you may want to use. Is there a specific function that you cannot get find in the DFSMSdss support? Did you know can use the COPY command in the ISMF dataset list to build and submit a DFSMSdss batch job. It just doesn't have a foreground option. Perhaps the FlashCopy processing you require is in those panels. All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
Google on that and find my sample of an ispf batch rexx interface. It might save you some coding. Itschak On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Clark, Kevin kevin.cl...@bcbsde.comwrote: Ok...thanks all...I'll off an coding now -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Ticic Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution) If you feel like doing some coding, you can use the ANTRQST API. Take a look at z/OS DFSMSdfp Advanced Copy Services (SC25-0428) for more details. Starting with z/OS 1.12, the REXX interface to ANTRQST will be documented. If you want a preview of how to code the REXX calls, take a look at SYS1.DGTCLIB(ANTFREXX) for a sample. John DFSMSdss provides all the interface for all the FCV2 functions you may want to use. Is there a specific function that you cannot get find in the DFSMSdss support? Did you know can use the COPY command in the ISMF dataset list to build and submit a DFSMSdss batch job. It just doesn't have a foreground option. Perhaps the FlashCopy processing you require is in those panels. All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
Here's a ISPF Rexx/Panel that I've coded for 'Snapping' a dataset via a DSLIST
by entering 'SNAPD', or the Rexx name, in the command columns to the left of
the dataset name. The Panel is after the Rexx. This generates a DFdss copy
job and submits it in batch (No forground, but that could also be done). The
rexx is setup by a switch to generate jcl for IBM/Flashcopy, STK/Snapshot, or,
EMC/Timefinder.
The panel looks like it's from IBM. The Rexx I inherited and rewrote years ago
to use the same panel. I'm sure it can be 'tuned'. Not sure about listing the
panel. But I'm sure I'll 'get a call' if IBM is upset.
===
Start of Rexx
===
/*** REXX **
Title: Generate DSS Fast Replication stmts.
By: Mike Wilkins
Date: 6/01/2010
Disc: Generate IBM DFdss smts to copy and rename uncondition,
a dataset via ISPF option 3.4. DSS will invoke Fast
Replication for the dasd subsystem, if availiable. If
Fast Replication is not availiable, it will do a physical
DSS copy.
Note: Old STK Snapshot code is at bottom, and is unused.
Kept for reference.
Note: 'Snap' is a term we use for an 'stant copy' Fast Replication
process, regardless of vendor.
Vendor Instant Copy product names:
--
IBM - FlashCopy
STK - Snap
EMC - TimeFinder
--
Mod:
***/
address ispexec
'VGET (ZDLDSN ZAPPLID ZSCRMAXD)'
/*
** Check for DSLIST applid
*/
if ZAPPLID ¬= 'ISR' then do
say 'This command can only be executed from DSLIST'
exit 0
end
/*
** These options are saved in the user profile for ISR
*/
'VGET (SNAPDSTC SNAPDMGC SNAPDDCC SNAPDREP SNAPDHCM ',
'SNAPDTEF SNAPDTT SNAPDDMN SNAPDCTG SNAPDFRC) PROFILE'
/*
** Initialize defaults
*/
volser = '' /* Always set Volume */
eso = ''/* Always set Esoteric */
volcount = '' /* Always clear volcnt */
if length(SNAPDSTC) = 0 then
SNAPDSTC = ''
if length(SNAPDMGC) = 0 then
SNAPDMGC = ''
if length(SNAPDDCC) = 0 then
SNAPDDCC = ''
if length(SNAPDCTG) = 0 then
SNAPDCTG = 'YES'
if length(SNAPDFRC) = 0 then
SNAPDFRC = 'NO'
if length(SNAPDREP) = 0 then
SNAPDREP = 'YES'
if length(SNAPDHCM) = 0 then
SNAPDHCM = 'EXC'
if length(SNAPDTEF) = 0 then
SNAPDTEF = 'NO'
if length(SNAPDTT) = 0 then
SNAPDTT = 'NO'
if length(SNAPDDMN) = 0 then
SNAPDDMN = 'NONE'
/*
** Parse source dsn into display variable
*/
address REXX
parse var ZDLDSN TDSN.1 '.',
TDSN.2 '.',
TDSN.3 '.',
TDSN.4 '.',
TDSN.5 '.',
REST
TDSN = ZDLDSN
/*
** Display POPUP to get target info
*/
address ispexec
if ZSCRMAXD 27 then /* @01 */
'ADDPOP'
'DISPLAY PANEL(SNAPD) CURSOR(TDSN)'
'VGET (ZVERB)'
if rc = 8 then /* Enter not pressed */
exit 0
if rc 8 then /* Bad return code */
exit rc
if length(zverb) 0 then /* ENTER not pressed */
exit 0
/*
** Save profile variables
*/
'VPUT (SNAPDSTC SNAPDMGC SNAPDDCC SNAPDREP SNAPDHCM ',
'SNAPDTEF SNAPDTT SNAPDDMN SNAPDCTG SNAPDFRC) PROFILE'
if TDSN = ZDLDSN then do
zedsmsg = Error: DSN's Match
zedlmsg = Error: Source and Target datasets are the same.
address ISPEXEC 'setmsg msg(ISRZ001)'
exit 0
end
/***
Allocate temp dataset to hold SNAP JCL.
***/
address TSO
snapdd = PDSE
snapjcl = sysvar(sysuid).SPFTEMP1.SNAPJCL
x = outtrap(XMSG.,*)
DELETE 'snapjcl'
x = outtrap(off)
ALLOCATE FILE(snapdd) DA('snapjcl'),
UNIT(SYSDA) new REUSE SPACE(1 1) TRACKS,
LRECL(80) BLKSIZE(0) RECFM(F B)
newstack
queue //userid()S1 JOB (T,T98,0988),'SNAP#D DSS SNAP',
queue // CLASS=L,MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=SYSUID
queue //*JOBPARM S=SYS3
QUEUE //*
QUEUE //STEP001 EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU ,PARM='TYPRUN=NORUN'
queue //VDSBYPAS DD DUMMY
queue //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
queue //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=*
queue //SYSINDD *
queue COPY DATASET( -
queue INCLUDE(ZDLDSN)) -
queue RENAMEU(ZDLDSN, -
queue TDSN) -
queue FASTREPLICATION(PREFERRED) -
queue RECATALOG(*) -
queue REPLACE -
/**
queue SPHERE -
**/
queue WAIT(0,0) -
if SNAPDTEF = 'YES' then do
queue TOL(ENQF) -
end
queue ALLDATA(*) -
queue ALLEXCP
queue IF LASTCC = 4 THEN SET MAXCC = 0
queue //
queue '' /* add null line to indicate End-Of-File */
EXECIO * DISKW snapdd (FINIS
DELSTACK
address TSO 'SUBMIT
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
Kevin, DFSMSdss provides all the interface for all the FCV2 functions you may want to use. Is there a specific function that you cannot get find in the DFSMSdss support? Did you know can use the COPY command in the ISMF dataset list to build and submit a DFSMSdss batch job. It just doesn't have a foreground option. Perhaps the FlashCopy processing you require is in those panels. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Clark, Kevin Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution) All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? Kevn This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
W dniu 2010-07-09 20:29, Clark, Kevin pisze: All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? No. There is a set of TSO commands (FCn) and plug-in to DFSMSdss. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM FLASHCOPY interface ( is there a no cost solution)
All, We have migrated our DASD and our new vendor utilized FLASHCOPY. We have CA-DISK DFDSS only. I've been using TSO =6 and even Batch TSO. Is there any ISPF panels or REXX freebies available ? Kevn This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Hello forumers, first let me apologize for the not enough information in my query. I'll try to elaborate customer environment and requirements: 1. z/OS 1.9 2. DB2 V8 3. CICS V3 4. Disks IBM DS8700 Few insights of my own. 1. DB2 has a utility called System Backup which use FlashCopy to enable copies of DB2 objects (databases and tables) un-disruptive (DB2 create point of consistency and signal the DS8000 to make the copy (using FlashCopy). 2. CICS load modules (PDS libraries) can be copied the same way, I see no problem with extents since the new system will come up after all the copies done. Finally, what we are looking for an installation that is upgrading regularly their applications using the mentioned or other similar method willing to share their experience. I hope it clarifies my somewhat cryptic query. Thank you, Arye. On 21 June 2010 16:14, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Radoslaw. FlashCopy is supported by at least two hardware vendors for several generations of storage platform. 1. Flashcopy is (was) related to specific hardware. It's not good idea to tie application with DASD vendor and have no warranty about the future of the implementations (see Snapshot). Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Arye, We use this method to make clones of our DB2s for QA/testing, but we don't use it to upgrade. If I can be of help I would be happy to answer questions. Scott Arye Shemer aryeshe...@gmail.com 6/22/2010 7:32 AM Hello forumers, first let me apologize for the not enough information in my query. I'll try to elaborate customer environment and requirements: 1. z/OS 1.9 2. DB2 V8 3. CICS V3 4. Disks IBM DS8700 Few insights of my own. 1. DB2 has a utility called System Backup which use FlashCopy to enable copies of DB2 objects (databases and tables) un-disruptive (DB2 create point of consistency and signal the DS8000 to make the copy (using FlashCopy). 2. CICS load modules (PDS libraries) can be copied the same way, I see no problem with extents since the new system will come up after all the copies done. Finally, what we are looking for an installation that is upgrading regularly their applications using the mentioned or other similar method willing to share their experience. I hope it clarifies my somewhat cryptic query. Thank you, Arye. CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Radoslaw. FlashCopy is supported by at least two hardware vendors for several generations of storage platform. 1. Flashcopy is (was) related to specific hardware. It's not good idea to tie application with DASD vendor and have no warranty about the future of the implementations (see Snapshot). Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Hello Forumers, A customer is looking for references of installation which are using FLASHCOPY or other similar technology to deploy (several times in a year) masive updates to their application avoiding disruption to the service for the end users. Could you please share your experience in this area, no need for actual names, but just exprience and other insights. The storage guys in my area were not very helpful due to fact that they know a lot of customers using FLASHCOPY but could not tell about the combination of Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY. Thank you for any help on the subject, Arye Shemer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Is this for strictly VSAM databases? Or DB2? Or Other? Is your desire to create a test DataBase, back it up (using FLashcopy) and put it on a different LPAR into production? Or are you looking to put it on a different op/sys like AIX or Solaris? If strictly mainframe, what is your current z/OS level? And what hardware is your dasd? (EMC, IBM, other)? Lizette Hello Forumers, A customer is looking for references of installation which are using FLASHCOPY or other similar technology to deploy (several times in a year) masive updates to their application avoiding disruption to the service for the end users. Could you please share your experience in this area, no need for actual names, but just exprience and other insights. The storage guys in my area were not very helpful due to fact that they know a lot of customers using FLASHCOPY but could not tell about the combination of Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY. Thank you for any help on the subject, Arye Shemer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
Hi Arie, Interesting Issue. I suppose that service is given by a kind of transaction manager like CICS as you mentioned avoiding disruption. Assuming that the updates are stored in PDS(as loadmods), how can you ensure that the datasets are positioned on disk exactly as mapped at time the dataset was open with same (number and size of) extents? This might work if the PDS is large inhalf and was not compressed (it would cause unpredictable results to CICS, for example). Itschak On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: Is this for strictly VSAM databases? Or DB2? Or Other? Is your desire to create a test DataBase, back it up (using FLashcopy) and put it on a different LPAR into production? Or are you looking to put it on a different op/sys like AIX or Solaris? If strictly mainframe, what is your current z/OS level? And what hardware is your dasd? (EMC, IBM, other)? Lizette Hello Forumers, A customer is looking for references of installation which are using FLASHCOPY or other similar technology to deploy (several times in a year) masive updates to their application avoiding disruption to the service for the end users. Could you please share your experience in this area, no need for actual names, but just exprience and other insights. The storage guys in my area were not very helpful due to fact that they know a lot of customers using FLASHCOPY but could not tell about the combination of Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY. Thank you for any help on the subject, Arye Shemer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Deloying updates to applications using FLASHCOPY
W dniu 2010-06-20 17:01, Arye Shemer pisze: Hello Forumers, A customer is looking for references of installation which are using FLASHCOPY or other similar technology to deploy (several times in a year) masive updates to their application avoiding disruption to the service for the end users. I strongly doubt if there are any. Reasons: 1. Flashcopy is (was) related to specific hardware. It's not good idea to tie application with DASD vendor and have no warranty about the future of the implementations (see Snapshot). 2. FC is done at very low level, which is not suitable for most application data structures on DASD. It could be used to REPLACE whole datasets or preferrably volumes, but not records. And such update can be prepared without FC. 3. Your ideas are discrepant (incoherent). You want to use fast copy to avoid outage. Fast copy could only minimize time of outage, *unless the application is able to run during the update* - but then fast copy in not crucial for the process. My €0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Flashcopy question
Hi List, I have a FlashCopy question about withdrawing FC relationships. To set the stage, I have a DMX-4 and a DS6800 in my environment. Every night I run a job that does FlashCopy full volume copies of all my volumes to a complete set of target volumes using copy commands like this: COPY FULL IDD(ZOSCAT) ODD(SNPCAT) FR(REQ) FCNC DUMPCOND PURGE This is followed by DUMPing the SNP volumes to tape using DFDSS and this syntax: DUMP INDDNAME(DASD1) OUTDD(TAPE1,TAPE1D) ALLD(*) ALLX OPT(4) Then the following night, I run a job immediately before my FlashCopy job to break the FC relationships, using a sequence of: FCWITHDR SDEVN(1100) TDEVN(1240)/* ZOSCAT */ The reference manual says If you use the FCNOCOPY keyword, you must withdraw the FlashCopy relationship when the copy is no longer needed to free up the subsystem resources that maintain the FlashCopy relationship. You can withdraw the FlashCopy relationship by performing one of the following tasks: Initiate a dump of the target of the copy and specify the FCWITHDRAW keyword on the DUMP command Initiate the TSO FCWITHDR command. Here's my question: If I skip the FCWITHDR step, does the system do an implicit FCWITHDR when I run the COPY command against the same set of source/target volumes the next night? My question comes about because we are in the process of migrating volumes from the DS6800 to the DMX and the FCWITHDR job hasn't been kept current. The COPY steps run just fine and I'm getting good backups, but I just don't know if there are some internal resources within either the DMX or the DS6800 that aren't being freed. TIA Rex PS, I don't want to add the FCWITHDRAW keyword to the DSS DUMP job because I can use the FC target for doing dataset level restores the next day in case somebody inadvertently clobbers a dataset. Much faster tan getting the tapes back from offsite. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy question
Since you are using NOCOPY, you don't have as good a spinning backup as you may think, and you have overhead for the first write of any track. I would suggest using FC incremental instead, you then have a real backup, and there is no need to do a withdrawal at all (in fact you want to avoid it). Pommier, Rex R. rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com 3/26/2010 1:58 PM Hi List, I have a FlashCopy question about withdrawing FC relationships. To set the stage, I have a DMX-4 and a DS6800 in my environment. Every night I run a job that does FlashCopy full volume copies of all my volumes to a complete set of target volumes using copy commands like this: COPY FULL IDD(ZOSCAT) ODD(SNPCAT) FR(REQ) FCNC DUMPCOND PURGE This is followed by DUMPing the SNP volumes to tape using DFDSS and this syntax: DUMP INDDNAME(DASD1) OUTDD(TAPE1,TAPE1D) ALLD(*) ALLX OPT(4) Then the following night, I run a job immediately before my FlashCopy job to break the FC relationships, using a sequence of: FCWITHDR SDEVN(1100) TDEVN(1240)/* ZOSCAT */ The reference manual says If you use the FCNOCOPY keyword, you must withdraw the FlashCopy relationship when the copy is no longer needed to free up the subsystem resources that maintain the FlashCopy relationship. You can withdraw the FlashCopy relationship by performing one of the following tasks: Initiate a dump of the target of the copy and specify the FCWITHDRAW keyword on the DUMP command Initiate the TSO FCWITHDR command. Here's my question: If I skip the FCWITHDR step, does the system do an implicit FCWITHDR when I run the COPY command against the same set of source/target volumes the next night? My question comes about because we are in the process of migrating volumes from the DS6800 to the DMX and the FCWITHDR job hasn't been kept current. The COPY steps run just fine and I'm getting good backups, but I just don't know if there are some internal resources within either the DMX or the DS6800 that aren't being freed. TIA Rex PS, I don't want to add the FCWITHDRAW keyword to the DSS DUMP job because I can use the FC target for doing dataset level restores the next day in case somebody inadvertently clobbers a dataset. Much faster tan getting the tapes back from offsite. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
To get around this problem a few years ago I wrote a offline volume dump program that is just as fast as the ones from IBM and Innovation. They have better restore capabilities since I currently have to restore the whole volume, but it's only a matter of time, I'll get it done. BRian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Flashcopy
Hi Everyone, whenever a flashcopy of a volume is done using ADRDSSU, the target volume goes offline, it has the same VOLID as the source volume, now my question is as to how can I backup the target volume to tape ?, we do not have FDR. will appreciate any input Frank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
Without having the ability to backup an offline volume or being able to bring the volume online to an LPAR where the original source disk is not online, your only option is to perform an ICKDSF relabel of the disk and then vary it online and do a regular backup with DFSMSdss. You will need to manually manage the fact that the datasets contained on the relabelled volume are not catalogued. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- Hi Everyone, whenever a flashcopy of a volume is done using ADRDSSU, the target volume goes offline, it has the same VOLID as the source volume, now my question is as to how can I backup the target volume to tape ?, we do not have FDR. will appreciate any input Frank -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
Frank, Shame you don't have Innovation's FDRInstant, as you say. This product has the interesting ability to both utilise Flashcopy (or TimeFinder, ShadowImage etc) and then take a normal backup even though the duplicate volume is now offline. Otherwise, I think Stephen's suggestion of clipping the volume and then backing up is the only viable option. Alan Playford System z Consultant RSM Partners Limited -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
Francis. Do a flashcopy ADRDSSU job without COPYVOLID. So your target volume keeps online and you can back it up. When you want to recover you have to copy your volume back to the original labeled volume. Hope this helps. Reiner Markus -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
subparameter DUMPCON how can I backup the target volume to tape ? subparameter DUMPCOND of the COPY command is your friend. Try to flash your volume with the following jcl: //FLASHEXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * COPY FULL IDY(your_vol) ODY(flashed_vol) DUMPCOND FCNC FR(REQ) - ADMIN PUR ALLD(*) ALLX then you will be able to DUMP the volume with this jcl: //DUMP EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE DD DISP=(,CATLG), // DSN=your_dsn, // UNIT=your_tape,LABEL=(1,SL), // DCB=JGE.MOD,RECFM=U,LRECL=0,BLKSIZE=0 //SYSINDD * DUMP ADMIN IDY(flashed_vol) ODD(TAPE) OPT(4) COM ALLX ALLD(*) HTH Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
Yes, DUMPCONDitioning is your friend. This is the way HSM uses FlashCopy, this is exactly what it was created for. When you restore a volume dumped this way, it will restore the original volser. If you have HSM, look into the FRBACKUP function to see how HSM can manage the entire process for you. Walter Marguccio walter_marguc...@yahoo.com 03/18/10 7:08 AM subparameter DUMPCON how can I backup the target volume to tape ? subparameter DUMPCOND of the COPY command is your friend. Try to flash your volume with the following jcl: //FLASHEXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSINDD * COPY FULL IDY(your_vol) ODY(flashed_vol) DUMPCOND FCNC FR(REQ) - ADMIN PUR ALLD(*) ALLX then you will be able to DUMP the volume with this jcl: //DUMP EXEC PGM=ADRDSSU //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //TAPE DD DISP=(,CATLG), // DSN=your_dsn, // UNIT=your_tape,LABEL=(1,SL), // DCB=JGE.MOD,RECFM=U,LRECL=0,BLKSIZE=0 //SYSINDD * DUMP ADMIN IDY(flashed_vol) ODD(TAPE) OPT(4) COM ALLX ALLD(*) HTH Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
Francis, ASRDSSU has a new parameter DUMPCONDITIONING specific to aid in making flash copies without having the target volume going offline. Opentech Systems has a product to completely automate the flash copy process besides audit your DASD farm so as you add volumes none are missed. Please review the link. http://www.opentechsystems.com/dbs.php Best regards, Don Don Bolton Director Technical Services www.OpentechSystems.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of FRANCIS SOUSA Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Flashcopy Hi Everyone, whenever a flashcopy of a volume is done using ADRDSSU, the target volume goes offline, it has the same VOLID as the source volume, now my question is as to how can I backup the target volume to tape ?, we do not have FDR. will appreciate any input Frank -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
We clip them to a different name and then bring them online. Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
Dave, If you haven't found it yet, here's an excellent Redpaper on FlashCopy SE: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp4368.pdf You're right, FC SE will help you out a lot with your backups. And your fears about the repository are true. Be conservative about your storage estimates. If the repository fills up, all your FC relationships become failed (i.e. toast), and have to be withdrawn. When a relationship becomes failed, you can neither read nor write from the FC target. Good luck. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Flashcopy
DUMPCONDITIONING is a relatively new parameter compared with some, but it has been around for at least a decade. We've been using it for point-in-time DFDSS backups with FlashCopy since at least 2001. It enables you to keep the target volser unchanged so it can stay online. for the DUMP, yet if you do a RESTORE it will restore the volume with the original source volume volser. Causes some weirdness with the target copy volume, like you may not be able to OPEN individual SMS datasets or VSAM datasets on the copy volume because access methods seem to get upset if you attempt to point to one of these on a volume that conflicts with the cataloged volser - but DFDSS full volume dump has no problem. Without the DUMPCONDITIONING we probably would have had to go with something like FDR. In retrospect, I'm glad we didn't, because the whole concept of having a utility able to process data from an offline volume seems like a bad idea. In many cases the whole point of having a volume offline is to guarantee a system is not using it so you can do things that would potentially cause data loss or unpredictable behavior if the volume were in use. JC Ewing On 03/18/2010 09:08 AM, Don Bolton wrote: Francis, ASRDSSU has a new parameter DUMPCONDITIONING specific to aid in making flash copies without having the target volume going offline. Opentech Systems has a product to completely automate the flash copy process besides audit your DASD farm so as you add volumes none are missed. Please review the link. http://www.opentechsystems.com/dbs.php Best regards, Don Don Bolton Director Technical Services www.OpentechSystems.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of FRANCIS SOUSA Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Flashcopy Hi Everyone, whenever a flashcopy of a volume is done using ADRDSSU, the target volume goes offline, it has the same VOLID as the source volume, now my question is as to how can I backup the target volume to tape ?, we do not have FDR. will appreciate any input Frank ... -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, ARjremoveccapsew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
- Original Message - From: Tom Longfellow tlongfel...@verizon.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE I have no statistics for how widely it is used. But I would be surprised to find out that SE was created on a whim. It is obviously an attempt to return a feature lost when IBM retired their RVA line (Snapshot). I'm also eager to see this feature in action. When IBM dumped STK back in 2000, they promised us virtual architecture in the SHARK and then reneged. It ain't virtual architecture, but it's close. SE FlashCopy should lower costs for DR backup significantly, since you won't have to double your DASD farm anymore just to SnapShot your entire DASD image. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
I have no statistics for how widely it is used. But I would be surprised to find out that SE was created on a whim. It is obviously an attempt to return a feature lost when IBM retired their RVA line (Snapshot). I'm also eager to see this feature in action. When IBM dumped STK back in 2000, they promised us virtual architecture in the SHARK and then reneged. It ain't virtual architecture, but it's close. SE FlashCopy should lower costs for DR backup significantly, since you won't have to double your DASD farm anymore just to SnapShot your entire DASD image. Regards, Tom Conley First off - I greatly appreciate the feed back. This feature will greatly reduce our flashcopy 'administrative' overhead in addition to reducing the amount of dasd reserved for flashcopies. A big drawback I see is once the repository is defined for the virtual volumes it can not be changed. Thanks Again, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
Not sure what the 'SE' is SE is Space Efficient:. We write code to exploit it, but we don't use it for any practical purpose. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
Not sure what the 'SE' is, but we use Flashcopy on both of our DS8100's. It is a little cumbersome, but it seems to work pretty well to take a PIT copy of any number of volumes in that unit. Flashcopy can be a key component of a pretty slick DR strategy with XRC and GDPS. There is a Redbook or two that talk to those strategies. We also use Flashcopy as a key tool in taking DB2 backups. A drawback is that it is just a PIT (point in time) physical copy of a volume. You may have issues with logical consistency because it takes a short time to get all of a set of logically related volumes flashed. (I think that some models support 'logical groups' where a whole group of volumes is snapped via a single command). Another potential issue is that even though the copy is logically instant, it does take some time for the physical copy to complete, and that process uses bandwidth in the unit. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David A. Diatto Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE While reviewing the features of the DS8700, our IBM business partner stated the feature, FlashCopy SE, is not widely used on z/OS. Is any using this feature on z/OS and can anyone share any experiences with the feature. Your responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
SE means space-efficient. See http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/dsichelp/ds8000ic/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.storage.ssic.help.doc/f2c_spc_effnc_3icy8z.html, inter alia. Bill Fairchild Software Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA Tel: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE Not sure what the 'SE' is, but we use Flashcopy on both of our DS8100's. It is a little cumbersome, but it seems to work pretty well to take a PIT copy of any number of volumes in that unit. Flashcopy can be a key component of a pretty slick DR strategy with XRC and GDPS. There is a Redbook or two that talk to those strategies. We also use Flashcopy as a key tool in taking DB2 backups. A drawback is that it is just a PIT (point in time) physical copy of a volume. You may have issues with logical consistency because it takes a short time to get all of a set of logically related volumes flashed. (I think that some models support 'logical groups' where a whole group of volumes is snapped via a single command). Another potential issue is that even though the copy is logically instant, it does take some time for the physical copy to complete, and that process uses bandwidth in the unit. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of David A. Diatto Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE While reviewing the features of the DS8700, our IBM business partner stated the feature, FlashCopy SE, is not widely used on z/OS. Is any using this feature on z/OS and can anyone share any experiences with the feature. Your responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
Hal Merritt pisze: Not sure what the 'SE' is, but we use Flashcopy on both of our DS8100's. SE = Space Efficient. That sugests something like IBM/STK Snapshot. It is *similar* to the snapshot. It is a little cumbersome, but it seems to work pretty well to take a PIT copy of any number of volumes in that unit. Every advanced copy looks cumbersome ;-) We also use Flashcopy as a key tool in taking DB2 backups. Such backup is piece of cake. Restore, especially restore of single table is a challenge. A drawback is that it is just a PIT (point in time) physical copy of a volume. You may have issues with logical consistency because it takes a short time to get all of a set of logically related volumes flashed. (I think that some models support 'logical groups' where a whole group of volumes is snapped via a single command). Another potential issue is that even though the copy is logically instant, it does take some time for the physical copy to complete, and that process uses bandwidth in the unit. This is a drawback of DS8k. Any other vendor (read: HDS, EMC) have no such drawback. They can even assure consistency across the DASD boxes. They have it for YEARS. Hint: I don't work for neither EMC nor HDS. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DS8700 Feature FlashCopy SE
While reviewing the features of the DS8700, our IBM business partner stated the feature, FlashCopy SE, is not widely used on z/OS. Is any using this feature on z/OS and can anyone share any experiences with the feature. Your responses will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi
Yes it does. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Shorkend Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 10:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi We use Flashcopy on a USP600 and it is also available on the USP-V machines. It is an additional priced feature. It is almost compatible with IBM Flashcopy. The one missing feature that we have found is that it does not support the dfdss FCTOPPRCPRIMARY parameter. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi
We have a Hitachi USP V SAN with almost support from VION. We have ShadowImage but since this seems to be PRRC by another name, it is difficult to use operationally. VION stated that the only way we could get it to work was to use FDR's API instead of DSS. I asked VION to check with Hitachi to 1.) see if that's true and 2.) give us some customer reference to users using FlashCopy. Answers came back that USP users use FDR and no USP users use FlashCopy. Not to impune anyone's veracity but our experience has indicated that it's best to check and/or get another opinion concerning this SAN's (un)functionality. So the question is 'does anyone use FlashCopy' (after paying for the yet additional feature) with a Hitachi USP V SAN. TIA Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi
Jack, Shadowimage is a lot more than PPRC by another name. The best way to drive Shadowimage is through the BCM (Business Continuity Manager) software which provides the API for all the features of ShadowImage for MF applications. BCM provides an ISPF or REXX interface to manage HDS In-System Replication products. When Shadowimage was first developed we provided support through PPRC commands. The support for all the basic features of Shadowimage with PPRC commands remains, but all new features, ATTIME Split for example, are enabled through BCM. We do have customers that continue to use Shadowimage with only the PPRC commands, but the features and functions are limited to whatever can be enabled through that limited API. I'm not in sales, so don't hang me if I'm wrong, but I believe FlashCopy is a separately licensed feature on the USP-V and not an add-on feature to Shadowimage. You can license Shadowimage, FlashCopy, or both. FlashCopy on HDS provides all its capabilities through the same host API as IBM storage, so it can be used interchangeably or together with IBM storage products. It is designed as a compatible product to be supported through FC commands, DFSMSdss, and ISV products from BMC, Innovation and suchlike. I'm not sure why VION gave you such an unusual answer, as that doesn't represent ShadowImage at any stage of its genesis. I'm happy to try and answer any questions you have on or off the list. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Kelly Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi We have a Hitachi USP V SAN with almost support from VION. We have ShadowImage but since this seems to be PRRC by another name, it is difficult to use operationally. VION stated that the only way we could get it to work was to use FDR's API instead of DSS. I asked VION to check with Hitachi to 1.) see if that's true and 2.) give us some customer reference to users using FlashCopy. Answers came back that USP users use FDR and no USP users use FlashCopy. Not to impune anyone's veracity but our experience has indicated that it's best to check and/or get another opinion concerning this SAN's (un)functionality. So the question is 'does anyone use FlashCopy' (after paying for the yet additional feature) with a Hitachi USP V SAN. TIA Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi
snip FlashCopy on HDS provides all its capabilities through the same host API as IBM storage unsnip After our various experiences with the USP-V, we'd like to 'see' customers who have used the feature before we pay for a feature and then find out that we can't use it. snip The best way to drive Shadowimage is through the BCM (Business Continuity Manager) software unsnip Not very easy to train OPS in the use of BCM and the only non FDR operational access is PPRC, so difficult at best to use Shadow whatever to sump shadowed volumes. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Any users of FlashCopy with Hitachi
We use Flashcopy on a USP600 and it is also available on the USP-V machines. It is an additional priced feature. It is almost compatible with IBM Flashcopy. The one missing feature that we have found is that it does not support the dfdss FCTOPPRCPRIMARY parameter. On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:47 PM, John Kelly john_j_ke...@ao.uscourts.govwrote: snip FlashCopy on HDS provides all its capabilities through the same host API as IBM storage unsnip After our various experiences with the USP-V, we'd like to 'see' customers who have used the feature before we pay for a feature and then find out that we can't use it. snip The best way to drive Shadowimage is through the BCM (Business Continuity Manager) software unsnip Not very easy to train OPS in the use of BCM and the only non FDR operational access is PPRC, so difficult at best to use Shadow whatever to sump shadowed volumes. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mike Shorkend m...@shorkend.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Undocumented Flashcopy Error
All: Message ADR935W provides an error code that doesn't seem to be documented, does anyone out there have an explanation for this particular code? ADR935W (001)-T0MI (01) A FAILURE OCCURRED WHILE ATTEMPTING TO PERFORM FAST REPLICATION FOR VOLUME SH2029. DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION: 1E19-08040F37 It's the F37 part for which I can't find a match. Iv'e searched documentation for z/OS V1.R7 (our current level) and for z/OS V1.R9 (level we are migrating to and for which toleration maintenance is applied). Mike Myers Pitt County Memorial Hospital -- The contents of this e-mail (and any attachments) are confidential, may be privileged and may contain copyright material. You may only reproduce or distribute material if you are expressly authorized by us to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email (and any attachments) is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and immediately delete this e-mail and any copies of it from your system. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Undocumented Flashcopy Error
Mike, All I found of interest was this: If you receive a fnrs code other than what is displayed in the following list, contact the IBM ESS Hardware Support structure for further assistance. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Myers Sent: Thu 4/23/2009 3:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Undocumented Flashcopy Error All: Message ADR935W provides an error code that doesn't seem to be documented, does anyone out there have an explanation for this particular code? ADR935W (001)-T0MI (01) A FAILURE OCCURRED WHILE ATTEMPTING TO PERFORM FAST REPLICATION FOR VOLUME SH2029. DIAGNOSTIC INFORMATION: 1E19-08040F37 It's the F37 part for which I can't find a match. Iv'e searched documentation for z/OS V1.R7 (our current level) and for z/OS V1.R9 (level we are migrating to and for which toleration maintenance is applied). Mike Myers Pitt County Memorial Hospital -- The contents of this e-mail (and any attachments) are confidential, may be privileged and may contain copyright material. You may only reproduce or distribute material if you are expressly authorized by us to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email (and any attachments) is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and immediately delete this e-mail and any copies of it from your system. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail message and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of its authorized recipient(s). If you are not an intended or authorized recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the information contained in this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this message in error or are not authorized to receive it, please immediately notify the sender and delete the original message and all copies of it from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or FlashCopy?
Dave, It was way back on the 7700E when HDS decided that using PPRC commands to manage Shadowimage volumes would be a handy thing. In its simplest form the Control Unit looks at the serial numbers of the Source and Target volumes in the PPRC command and if they are the same, and Shadowimage is licensed, then it will be processed as a Shadowimage command. For most cases TrueCopy and Shadowimage volumes can co-exist in the same Control Unit and be managed with PPRC commands. Of course TC and Shadowimage are now doing things that PPRC commands are not designed to handle, which is why we prefer customers to move to Business Continuity Manager. If you are licensed for Shadowimage and your current procedure works then there is no need to change, as the PPRC commands support most of Shadowimage's capabilities. If you want a simpler way to maintain and manage this then you may want to look at BCM - I get a lot of positive feedback about the ISPF interface and the simplicity incorporating the COPYGROUPS into REXX. FlashCopy provides some innovative integration with DFSMS STORGRUPS and DFSMShsm, as well as Dataset Level capabilities that may be a better mousetrap for your shop. You do not need PPRC commands or BCM if you use FlashCopy on HDS. In most cases it should inter-operate transparently with ANTRQST and ICKDSF FC* commands and DFSMSdss. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:01 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Is this PPRC or Flashcopy? Thanks all for your responses. The issue was resolved offline. We are using PPRC commands (Cestpair etc) within the 9990V which requires ShadowImage. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL [eamacn...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy? There are many ways to skin a cat. You can Flashcopy first and then PPRC it. Or flashcopy and PPRC from same source (set of volumes). Yes, but. My understanding of the OP's question was that they wanted to remote copy off of the flashcopy. You can't skin that cat. If I misread, sorry. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
Thanks all for your responses. The issue was resolved offline. We are using PPRC commands (Cestpair etc) within the 9990V which requires ShadowImage. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL [eamacn...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy? There are many ways to skin a cat. You can Flashcopy first and then PPRC it. Or flashcopy and PPRC from same source (set of volumes). Yes, but. My understanding of the OP's question was that they wanted to remote copy off of the flashcopy. You can't skin that cat. If I misread, sorry. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
snip The C* commands above are documented as PPRC commands. No mention of Flashcopy. So why is my hardware vendor demanding that we be licensed for Flashcopy? unsnip We're in the throes of this now. We have a UPS V with ShadowCopy but to use FlashCopy, we need to get HDS' 'compatible' FlashCopy, a charged license. Our vendor is VION. I'd like to talk to use off-list about how you relabel and dump for thr DR. Currently I can mirror the volumes then suspend the pair and as you indicate relabel and dump then resynch the pairs. This seems error prone and too manual. VION indicated our only option is to purchase FDRInstant or 'compatible' FlashCopy. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
To provide a mirror image for our DB2 farm, my shop years ago established a procedure which used the following commands: Cestpair - establishes pairing between Primary and Target volume Csuspend Cdelpair After the last command the volumes are clipped and backed up for restore at DR. The C* commands above are documented as PPRC commands. No mention of Flashcopy. So why is my hardware vendor demanding that we be licensed for Flashcopy? Can anyone explain this to me? Hardware is a HDS 9990V re-marketed by Sun. Regards, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
David It is PPRC . HDS calls it True Copy. You do not need Flashcopy for this to work. Mike On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:04 PM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote: To provide a mirror image for our DB2 farm, my shop years ago established a procedure which used the following commands: Cestpair - establishes pairing between Primary and Target volume Csuspend Cdelpair After the last command the volumes are clipped and backed up for restore at DR. The C* commands above are documented as PPRC commands. No mention of Flashcopy. So why is my hardware vendor demanding that we be licensed for Flashcopy? Can anyone explain this to me? Hardware is a HDS 9990V re-marketed by Sun. Regards, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
Can I assume it has nothing to do with Shadowimage either? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mike Shorkend [mike.shork...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 2:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy? David It is PPRC . HDS calls it True Copy. You do not need Flashcopy for this to work. Mike On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 9:04 PM, O'Brien, David W. (NIH/CIT) [C] obrie...@mail.nih.gov wrote: To provide a mirror image for our DB2 farm, my shop years ago established a procedure which used the following commands: Cestpair - establishes pairing between Primary and Target volume Csuspend Cdelpair After the last command the volumes are clipped and backed up for restore at DR. The C* commands above are documented as PPRC commands. No mention of Flashcopy. So why is my hardware vendor demanding that we be licensed for Flashcopy? Can anyone explain this to me? Hardware is a HDS 9990V re-marketed by Sun. Regards, Dave O'Brien -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
in fact - according to our storage folks, the two do not play well together we flashcopy volumes for clone subsytem purposes, and PPRC for D/R purposes - but our storage folks tell us that it is difficult to PPRC flashcopy *target* volumes Chris Hoelscher Senior IDMS DB2 Database Administrator Humana Inc 502-476-2538 choelsc...@humana.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
we flashcopy volumes for clone subsytem purposes, and PPRC for D/R purposes - but our storage folks tell us that it is difficult to PPRC flashcopy *target* volumes That is not the design. You PPRC then you FlashCopy. Not, the other way around. FlashCopy Target Volumes are off-line. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
Ted MacNEIL pisze: we flashcopy volumes for clone subsytem purposes, and PPRC for D/R purposes - but our storage folks tell us that it is difficult to PPRC flashcopy *target* volumes That is not the design. You PPRC then you FlashCopy. Not, the other way around. FlashCopy Target Volumes are off-line. There are many ways to skin a cat. You can Flashcopy first and then PPRC it. Or flashcopy and PPRC from same source (set of volumes). Or establish PPRC pairs then Flashcopy from target. I would first ask what the needs are and what are the resources available (disk space at both sides, licenses). Then try to adjust method. My €0.02 -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr rejestru przedsiębiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Według stanu na dzień 01.01.2008 r. kapitał zakładowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 złote i został w całości wpłacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:14:32 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: we flashcopy volumes for clone subsytem purposes, and PPRC for D/R purposes - but our storage folks tell us that it is difficult to PPRC flashcopy *target* volumes That is not the design. You PPRC then you FlashCopy. Not, the other way around. FlashCopy Target Volumes are off-line. Why ? Design of whom ? Some shops are doing exactly what they do in order not to copy disks that are being updated during the copy. For example : They are in PPRC mode. Db2 log suspend suspend the PPRC pair db2 log resume ( your application was stopped few seconds ) clip the secondary disks put them online Copy these now they are online (and why not with flashcopy) Clip back the volumes to original volser names then resynch your PPRC So i guess they are perhaps using flashcopy during the copy/backup period This way the pprc pairs do not stay desynchronised very long Each shop has its own method depending their type of operation or more likely their budget. Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is this PPRC or Flashcopy?
There are many ways to skin a cat. You can Flashcopy first and then PPRC it. Or flashcopy and PPRC from same source (set of volumes). Yes, but. My understanding of the OP's question was that they wanted to remote copy off of the flashcopy. You can't skin that cat. If I misread, sorry. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Ron Hawkins wrote: [...] The unfortunate thing in all this is that FlashCopy require the target volumes to be genned to the same system as the Source volume, or the command won't work. These means the duplicate volume time bomb is sitting around waiting to happen. Unless you have wise IODF configuration. Wise = target volumes are defined as offline to production config ID. And vice versa for the second config ID. I do the same for UBM, EMC and HDS copy services. My $0.02 Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Radoslaw, Wise, but not foolproof. The difference I was highlighting is that the Shadowimage volumes, and I think Timefinder, do not have to be defined to the system at all. Therefore they can never be accidentally bought online. Ron Unless you have wise IODF configuration. Wise = target volumes are defined as offline to production config ID. And vice versa for the second config ID. I do the same for UBM, EMC and HDS copy services. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Ron Hawkins wrote: Radoslaw, Wise, but not foolproof. The difference I was highlighting is that the Shadowimage volumes, and I think Timefinder, do not have to be defined to the system at all. Therefore they can never be accidentally bought online. Well, I strongly prefer to have an option to vary it online. So, is it better to have such an option at the risk of misuse or have no option... However I agree - it's better to have possibility to use undefined (in IODF) target volume. Then we have a choice. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
John, To be more precise, does IBM have a product that can backup a FlashCopy target. The answer is yes - DFSMSdss using DUMPCONDITIONING. What I think I am hearing hear is that with the basic FDR product you would use the capability to backup offline volumes, meaning you don't need another LPAR, and you don't need FDR/INSTANT. The unfortunate thing in all this is that FlashCopy require the target volumes to be genned to the same system as the Source volume, or the command won't work. These means the duplicate volume time bomb is sitting around waiting to happen. With Shadowimage, and I think Timefinder, the target volume does not have to be visible to the Source Volume's LPAR, and you can use Volume masking on the Storage to make sure it can never go online to that LPAR. Does IBM have a product which can backup offline DASD? If not, then the salesman doesn't have anything to sell. And he's not likely to mention that FDR has an option to do that! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Hawkins Sent: Sunday, 7 September 2008 4:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy SNIP What I think I am hearing hear is that with the basic FDR product you would use the capability to backup offline volumes, meaning you don't need another LPAR, and you don't need FDR/INSTANT. SNIP Just to clarify, basic FDR requires that the volumes needed to be backed up are online. In order to be able to do a backup of any offline FBA or CPK volume including those that are created as a result of using any of the various vendor's replication technologies requires the FDRINSTANT add-on to enhance basic FDR or ABR. For all intents and purposes, the backup from the offline volume will appear as if you've performed the backup of the volume and datasets from the online volume. Certainly makes recovery extremely straight forward. Furthermore, FDRINSTANT provides the ability to access the internal high-speed replication technologies within the vendors' storage systems for copying datasets within the same storage subsystem without having to perform I/O to and from the mainframe. Ron, contact me off-list if you want some further info. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, For your 2nd LPAR, have you considered simply cloning the existing system and disabling the products that may cause you grief with your licenses or MIPS usage? I think it will make your Basic Sysplex a lot easier to build and maintain in the long run. You've already figured the need to share UCATs, and keeping the Production Volumes edited out of that system stop any accidental access. If you don't use DUMPCONDITIONING it still means that datasets on the FC target volumes can be accessed accidentally, so you may want to disconnect unnecessary catalogs, and remove alias associations. This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen. I guess you have looked at DFSMShsm FRBACKUP. If not, you may want to have a look, but the applicability will depend on how much of your data is SMS managed, and whether you wish to use FCV2 consistency groups (still appear to unsupported for FRBACKUP). DUMPCONDITIONING, is something I think you may want to have a look at it. Seeing as FDR is a complete functional replacement for DFSMSdss I believe it also supports this. You will find that you can accomplish everything you want to do from a single system. Setting up a 2nd LPAR for backup was something a few shops did back in the early days of Snapshot, TimeFinder and Shadowimage, but DUMPCONDITIONING with FlashCopy was developed to get around the need for a backup LPAR. Ipso facto you no longer need a 2nd LPAR if you have FlashCopy compatible products. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 5:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Thanks to all that replied. Since I got home, and looked at a bunch of emails, I'll just reply to this one. Don - I put in a request on your internet site for more information. I'll also call FDR and get info on their product. I suspect that unless these products are really inexpensive that we won't get either one. One of the things that no one picked up on, in my original post quoted below, I wanted some help with setting up the Lpar to do this. I have questions about what needs to be in the system. My boss wants a 1 pack system. We run a basic sysplex in ring mode with only 2 lpars since we don't have a coupling facility or processor, and definitely don't want to spend the money for one. I know I would need Zara, our tape manager, and I would need access to the catalog that the output tapes are created on. I've built RESCUE systems before, and still have my JCL, but those systems were mostly for IPLing and correcting parmlib members, etc. I didn't even have a tape management system on it. Any concerns for building this type of system would be appreciated. Eric On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:24:44 -0500, Don Bolton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, If you would like to automate the flash and backup process please review the link below. Opentech Systems has automated this process for many of our customers whether you want to process the volumes online or offline with our DASD Backup Supervisor product. http://www.opentechsystems.com/dbs.php Regards, Don Don Bolton Director Technical Services www.OpentechSystems.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. Eric -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows both the source and target volumes to remain online after a full volume copy operation, thus creating an interim copy for a subsequent dump to tape that can be done using the same system. When DUMPCONDITIONING is specified, the volser of the target volume does not change. The conditioned volume is not usable in its current state - except for the DFSMSdss DUMP operation, because the volser, the VTOC index and VVDS names are not consistent. A full volume dump of the conditioned volume results in a dump data set that looks like it was created by dumping the sourve volume. This allows the dump data set to be restored and used without having to clip back the volser. This is from Chapter 2 of: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245680.pdf HTH, Greg Eric, FDR handles this as well, but I don't have the information at my fingertips. RTFM or give them a call. You may need to get FDRINSTANT. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Ron, Thanks for the information. As I said in an earlier post, we don't have DFDSS, so I can't do dumpconditioning. I will take your statement, This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen., and show it to my boss. That might be enough leverage to get FDRINSTANT, or the other product which I can't remember the name of, but I doubt it. Another problem with the 3rd lpar approach is that we have a GRS ring, and as I understand it, a 3rd lpar contributes logarithmically to the wait times. That is why the 3rd lpar would be probably shut down except for the weekly pack backups. One question I do have though is if I am IPLing from a single or 2 pack system, and I have a few things online, such as the Zara tape catalog (which I know nothing about yet but soon will learn), or the usercatalog the tapes are cataloged in, what happens since there is a duplicate volume that was flashed? Is that part of the accident waiting to happen? By the way, we don't have DFHSM either, and I don't know what FRBACKUP is, but I assume that HSM is required. I'm not sure if we have FDRABR or not. I'll probably call them on Monday. I know we have FDR and I think we have Compaktor, but I'm not sure. In answer to Tom Conolly, since my internet connection at my hotel is so slow, I will look at FDRINSTANT, but my hopes are not too high. It was good talking to you several days ago. Eric Bielefeld On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 00:21:22 -0700, Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, For your 2nd LPAR, have you considered simply cloning the existing system and disabling the products that may cause you grief with your licenses or MIPS usage? I think it will make your Basic Sysplex a lot easier to build and maintain in the long run. You've already figured the need to share UCATs, and keeping the Production Volumes edited out of that system stop any accidental access. If you don't use DUMPCONDITIONING it still means that datasets on the FC target volumes can be accessed accidentally, so you may want to disconnect unnecessary catalogs, and remove alias associations. This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen. I guess you have looked at DFSMShsm FRBACKUP. If not, you may want to have a look, but the applicability will depend on how much of your data is SMS managed, and whether you wish to use FCV2 consistency groups (still appear to unsupported for FRBACKUP). DUMPCONDITIONING, is something I think you may want to have a look at it. Seeing as FDR is a complete functional replacement for DFSMSdss I believe it also supports this. You will find that you can accomplish everything you want to do from a single system. Setting up a 2nd LPAR for backup was something a few shops did back in the early days of Snapshot, TimeFinder and Shadowimage, but DUMPCONDITIONING with FlashCopy was developed to get around the need for a backup LPAR. Ipso facto you no longer need a 2nd LPAR if you have FlashCopy compatible products. Ron -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, The answers will depend on your design. Will the 3rd system be a standalone system that is only used for backup and restore, or do you want the existing two systems to directly access the backup datasets for restore? If it's the first case, then I would say you don't want to share anything. The 3rd system should have its own catalogs, tape management, etc. You probably want to set up a complimentary backup of the 3rd system in the production sysplex. The second case becomes far more complex, as there are components that must be shared. While you can probably back these things up, it is going to be a pain in the proverbial to restore them when they are being used for the restore. If the FDR base product does not support DUMPCONDITIONING and they won't spring for FDRINSTANT, then I would suggest going with case 1. If it is a single DS8K then this would allow you to have the whole system in a single FC Consistency group, giving you a real point in time copy and backup capability (bad luck if you have two boxes though). Using Incremental FC should also save you a lot of back-end IO contention, and give you a fast restore capability if you need it. Ron -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Ron, Thanks for the information. As I said in an earlier post, we don't have DFDSS, so I can't do dumpconditioning. I will take your statement, This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen., and show it to my boss. That might be enough leverage to get FDRINSTANT, or the other product which I can't remember the name of, but I doubt it. Another problem with the 3rd lpar approach is that we have a GRS ring, and as I understand it, a 3rd lpar contributes logarithmically to the wait times. That is why the 3rd lpar would be probably shut down except for the weekly pack backups. One question I do have though is if I am IPLing from a single or 2 pack system, and I have a few things online, such as the Zara tape catalog (which I know nothing about yet but soon will learn), or the usercatalog the tapes are cataloged in, what happens since there is a duplicate volume that was flashed? Is that part of the accident waiting to happen? By the way, we don't have DFHSM either, and I don't know what FRBACKUP is, but I assume that HSM is required. I'm not sure if we have FDRABR or not. I'll probably call them on Monday. I know we have FDR and I think we have Compaktor, but I'm not sure. In answer to Tom Conolly, since my internet connection at my hotel is so slow, I will look at FDRINSTANT, but my hopes are not too high. It was good talking to you several days ago. Eric Bielefeld -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, It would seem that when planning and budgeting for the storage upgrade, your management failed to factor in what software would be required to leverage the technology being acquired. My thinking is that this was something that the IBM salesman might not have addressed and his only concern was getting the box on the floor. Hardware salesmen are notorious for not wanting to get involved with software. I come across this more often than not, although some vendors are more geared up for this than others (Ron, your mob are ok!) Your situation is not unlike acquiring the latest greatest flatscreen TV but still having to watch your movies on a VHS video player and saying there's no money available to acquire the latest Blue-Ray/DVD player to exploit the TV's technology. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Sunday, 7 September 2008 3:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Ron, Thanks for the information. As I said in an earlier post, we don't have DFDSS, so I can't do dumpconditioning. I will take your statement, This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen., and show it to my boss. That might be enough leverage to get FDRINSTANT, or the other product which I can't remember the name of, but I doubt it. Another problem with the 3rd lpar approach is that we have a GRS ring, and as I understand it, a 3rd lpar contributes logarithmically to the wait times. That is why the 3rd lpar would be probably shut down except for the weekly pack backups. One question I do have though is if I am IPLing from a single or 2 pack system, and I have a few things online, such as the Zara tape catalog (which I know nothing about yet but soon will learn), or the usercatalog the tapes are cataloged in, what happens since there is a duplicate volume that was flashed? Is that part of the accident waiting to happen? By the way, we don't have DFHSM either, and I don't know what FRBACKUP is, but I assume that HSM is required. I'm not sure if we have FDRABR or not. I'll probably call them on Monday. I know we have FDR and I think we have Compaktor, but I'm not sure. In answer to Tom Conolly, since my internet connection at my hotel is so slow, I will look at FDRINSTANT, but my hopes are not too high. It was good talking to you several days ago. Eric Bielefeld -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Eric, DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for. No, DFSMSdss is a priced optional feature, presumably because of the existence of at least one comparable ISV product (like FDR). So you should already have it in house. Entirely possible, though it likely would be disabled if the separate license fee for it was not paid. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Similarly, DFSMShsm DFSMSrmm are priced optional features too. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Sunday, 7 September 2008 10:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Eric, DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for. No, DFSMSdss is a priced optional feature, presumably because of the existence of at least one comparable ISV product (like FDR). So you should already have it in house. Entirely possible, though it likely would be disabled if the separate license fee for it was not paid. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Stephen Mednick wrote: Eric, It would seem that when planning and budgeting for the storage upgrade, your management failed to factor in what software would be required to leverage the technology being acquired. My thinking is that this was something that the IBM salesman might not have addressed and his only concern was getting the box on the floor. Hardware salesmen are notorious for not wanting to get involved with software. I come across this more often than not, although some vendors are more geared up for this than others (Ron, your mob are ok!) Does IBM have a product which can backup offline DASD? If not, then the salesman doesn't have anything to sell. And he's not likely to mention that FDR has an option to do that! We had this same scenario, but with EMC's BCVs. We would split the BCV and vary it offline to production and online to another LPAR. But we needed to share things like the TMC, catalogs, ... . Well, management didn't want to use production cycles to run the other LPAR. So it had a low comparative weight. We were not a sysplex at that time (not even basic). Can you say reserve contention out the wazzu? We quickly abandoned that scenario. We couldn't live with the reserves and didn't have the money to upgrade the CPU. In fact, this entire project was to defer CPU upgrade because it didn't matter how long the backup of the BCV took so the backups could run on a low weight LPAR for hours. Ah, didn't work. Your situation is not unlike acquiring the latest greatest flatscreen TV but still having to watch your movies on a VHS video player and saying there's no money available to acquire the latest Blue-Ray/DVD player to exploit the TV's technology. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Sunday, 7 September 2008 3:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Ron, Thanks for the information. As I said in an earlier post, we don't have DFDSS, so I can't do dumpconditioning. I will take your statement, This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's an accident waiting to happen., and show it to my boss. That might be enough leverage to get FDRINSTANT, or the other product which I can't remember the name of, but I doubt it. Another problem with the 3rd lpar approach is that we have a GRS ring, and as I understand it, a 3rd lpar contributes logarithmically to the wait times. That is why the 3rd lpar would be probably shut down except for the weekly pack backups. One question I do have though is if I am IPLing from a single or 2 pack system, and I have a few things online, such as the Zara tape catalog (which I know nothing about yet but soon will learn), or the usercatalog the tapes are cataloged in, what happens since there is a duplicate volume that was flashed? Is that part of the accident waiting to happen? By the way, we don't have DFHSM either, and I don't know what FRBACKUP is, but I assume that HSM is required. I'm not sure if we have FDRABR or not. I'll probably call them on Monday. I know we have FDR and I think we have Compaktor, but I'm not sure. In answer to Tom Conolly, since my internet connection at my hotel is so slow, I will look at FDRINSTANT, but my hopes are not too high. It was good talking to you several days ago. Eric Bielefeld -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: An EIN stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Stephen Mednick wrote: Similarly, DFSMShsm DFSMSrmm are priced optional features too. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia as is DFSMStvs (transactional VSAM). -- Q: What do theoretical physicists drink beer from? A: An EIN stein. Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Ron, Thanks for all the good information. We only have one Shark box. The Lpar I am setting up will only be used for backups, and will probably be shut down the rest of the week. Actually, I kind of like the idea of nothing shared. All we would need would be a separate pool of 3590 tape cartridges, but they wouldn't be catalogued on the production system if needed for restores. Eric Ron Hawkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, The answers will depend on your design. Will the 3rd system be a standalone system that is only used for backup and restore, or do you want the existing two systems to directly access the backup datasets for restore? If it's the first case, then I would say you don't want to share anything. The 3rd system should have its own catalogs, tape management, etc. You probably want to set up a complimentary backup of the 3rd system in the production sysplex. The second case becomes far more complex, as there are components that must be shared. While you can probably back these things up, it is going to be a pain in the proverbial to restore them when they are being used for the restore. If the FDR base product does not support DUMPCONDITIONING and they won't spring for FDRINSTANT, then I would suggest going with case 1. If it is a single DS8K then this would allow you to have the whole system in a single FC Consistency group, giving you a real point in time copy and backup capability (bad luck if you have two boxes though). Using Incremental FC should also save you a lot of back-end IO contention, and give you a fast restore capability if you need it. Ron -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. Eric -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Assuming that you are planning to flash all of your production DASD at one time, you can do something like this: PRODUCTION LPAR BACKUP LPAR ------ | || | | PRODUCTION || PRODUCTION | | DASD|| DASD| | || | | OFFLINE=NO || not included| | in IODF || in IODF | | || | ------ ------ | || | |BACKUP ||BACKUP | | DASD|| DASD| | || | | OFFLINE=YES || OFFLINE=NO | | in IODF || in IODF | | || | ------ (You may have to cut this out and paste it into WORD with a COURIER NEW font to see this correctly.) The production LPAR would FLASH the OFFLINE=NO DASD to the OFFLINE=YES DASD. You need both sets of addresses genned somewhere to do the flashcopy from MVS. (It can also be done from the DS/8000 HMC; you really don't want to go there!) This is just one method; there are others that will work just as well. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, Why do you want to do the backup (dump?) from a separate LPAR, if I may ask? Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:59 AM We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Greg, The backup (Flash) will be done from the production Lpar. Because all the volsers on the backup copies are the same, we want to do the backups to tape on a separate lpar. I haven't worked with flashcopy before, so there may be something I am missing. Eric Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Why do you want to do the backup (dump?) from a separate LPAR, if I may ask? Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:59 AM We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows both the source and target volumes to remain online after a full volume copy operation, thus creating an interim copy for a subsequent dump to tape that can be done using the same system. When DUMPCONDITIONING is specified, the volser of the target volume does not change. The conditioned volume is not usable in its current state - except for the DFSMSdss DUMP operation, because the volser, the VTOC index and VVDS names are not consistent. A full volume dump of the conditioned volume results in a dump data set that looks like it was created by dumping the sourve volume. This allows the dump data set to be restored and used without having to clip back the volser. This is from Chapter 2 of: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245680.pdf HTH, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:29 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Greg, The backup (Flash) will be done from the production Lpar. Because all the volsers on the backup copies are the same, we want to do the backups to tape on a separate lpar. I haven't worked with flashcopy before, so there may be something I am missing. Eric Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Why do you want to do the backup (dump?) from a separate LPAR, if I may ask? Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:59 AM We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Back in the Y2K frenzy, we set up our Time Machine by using FlashCopy (actually SNAP, since it was a good ol' RVA) and it worked quite well. The first step was to rename the offline target pack(s), vary it on, then we SNAPped the source volume(s), which automagically varied the target back to offline (duplicate volid) and done. This was done, several times a week, sometimes twice or thrice a day, and even some packs were dumped to tape to preserve the same data, etc. The only caveat would be to make sure that the source LPAR should have all the addresses of the target LPAR offline to prevent the duplicate volume messages. Since our target was basically a clone of the production LPAR, including user catalogs and the such, with minor changes to the tape environment, of course, it was akin to running it in the production environment. HTH Frank -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Greg, The backup (Flash) will be done from the production Lpar. Because all the volsers on the backup copies are the same, we want to do the backups to tape on a separate lpar. I haven't worked with flashcopy before, so there may be something I am missing. Eric Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric, Why do you want to do the backup (dump?) from a separate LPAR, if I may ask? Greg Shirey Ben E. Keith Company -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:59 AM We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the original, and then back them up. I have searched for documentation on setting up Lpars to do just that, and haven't found anything. We want a simple Lpar, if possible using a one pack system. We use Zara for tape management. Eric / Eric - Have you already considered using a 3rd party product to back up the offline volumes? We're doing it daily with an Innovation product. dd keller ** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, forwarding or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message and all copies and backups thereof. Thank you. ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Thanks Greg. I hadn't found that book yet, and am downloading it now. Unfortuneatly, we don't have DFDSS here, only FDR. This book looks like it will help me. Eric Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows both the source and target volumes to remain online after a full volume copy operation, thus creating an interim copy for a subsequent dump to tape that can be done using the same system. When DUMPCONDITIONING is specified, the volser of the target volume does not change. The conditioned volume is not usable in its current state - except for the DFSMSdss DUMP operation, because the volser, the VTOC index and VVDS names are not consistent. A full volume dump of the conditioned volume results in a dump data set that looks like it was created by dumping the sourve volume. This allows the dump data set to be restored and used without having to clip back the volser. This is from Chapter 2 of: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245680.pdf HTH, Greg -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Washington University St Louis, Missouri 314-935-3418 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Martinez, Frank J wrote: Back in the Y2K frenzy, we set up our Time Machine by using FlashCopy (actually SNAP, since it was a good ol' RVA) and it worked quite well. The first step was to rename the offline target pack(s), vary it on, then we SNAPped the source volume(s), which automagically varied the target back to offline (duplicate volid) and done. This was done, several times a week, sometimes twice or thrice a day, and even some packs were dumped to tape to preserve the same data, etc. The only caveat would be to make sure that the source LPAR should have all the addresses of the target LPAR offline to prevent the duplicate volume messages. Since our target was basically a clone of the production LPAR, including user catalogs and the such, with minor changes to the tape environment, of course, it was akin to running it in the production environment. In fact, IMHO the approach is bad: why to perform full volume dump? Such copy is good for DR or system cloning/moving, etc. But not regular backup - how to restore single dataset or DB2 table ? Yes, it is possible, but not easy. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, Using FDR to flash the volume. //FLASH EXEC PGM=FDRABR,REGION=0M,COND=(0,NE) //TAPE1 DD DUMMY,LABEL=RETPD=15 //TAPE2 DD DUMMY,LABEL=RETPD=15 //SYSPRIN1DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN2DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN3DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRINTDD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMPDD SYSOUT=* FCOPY TYPE=FDR,VERIFYVOLSER=NO,CONFMESS=NO MOUNT VOL=DB2E49,FLASHUNIT=628B Then to backup from the flashed volume to tape //STEP010 EXEC PGM=FDRABR //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSPRIN1 DD SYSOUT=* //ABRMAP DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=R,HOLD=YES //TAPE1 DD DSN=FDRABR.PROD.DBE1001, // DISP=(NEW,KEEP), // UNIT=MAGTAPE, // VOL=(,,,50) //SYSINDD * DUMP TYPE=FDR,DSNENQ=NONE,PRINT=ABR,BUFNO=MAX,RTC=YES, ENQERR=NO,TAPERRCD=NO,SELTERR=NO,RTC=YES,FCOPY=(USE,REL) MOUNT VOL=DB2E* /* Jerry -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
Eric, DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for. So you should already have it in house. Lizette : Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy Thanks Greg. I hadn't found that book yet, and am downloading it now. Unfortuneatly, we don't have DFDSS here, only FDR. This book looks like it will help me. Eric Greg Shirey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows both the source and target volumes to remain online after a full volume copy operation, thus creating an interim copy for a subsequent dump to tape that can be done using the same system. When DUMPCONDITIONING is specified, the volser of the target volume does not change. The conditioned volume is not usable in its current state - except for the DFSMSdss DUMP operation, because the volser, the VTOC index and VVDS names are not consistent. A full volume dump of the conditioned volume results in a dump data set that looks like it was created by dumping the sourve volume. This allows the dump data set to be restored and used without having to clip back the volser. This is from Chapter 2 of: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg245680.pdf HTH, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
