Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
The circumvention is to establish really good relations with an IBMer who will have access to "Blue Pages". Then make damn sure every request you make is fully justified in IBM's interest as much as yours. It worked for me for many, many years. Some IBMers - especially the executives - do _NOT_ want their email addresses made public. I've seen a few email addresses bandied about even in the last few days related to the PWD issues - if you really want to get to these people, get someone with Blue Pages access to give you the name of their PA or admin assistant and write to them saying: "If people are lobbying [their boss] for this reason, please add my name to the list." The more business case you can add, the better. To say that they're busy people is something of an understatement. They do not want and cannot use hundreds of emails turning up in their intrays. It's a damn nuisance when email #85 might be something important from Sam. But if their PA comes in and says: "150 people have suggested this" then it might get air time. Remember that IBM (including its antecedents) has been a major force in business for over a century. Very, very few technology companies can claim that. What it does has worked so far - telling IBM it is wrong requires some depth of proof. And http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/01/spado_vs_watsons/ -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
Yes, IBM's "whois" does have an opt-out option for IBM employees. There are various reasons why someone might want to have an unlisted e-mail address, and some of them even make sense. That said, I think you can reach any IBM employee (or assistant, or voicemail) by telephone, at least in the U.S., as long as you know the name and location. In the U.S. the IBM switchboard at 800-IBM-4-YOU can connect you. They're also pretty good at these sorts of questions: "I'd like to talk to Roger, but I don't know his last name. I know he has DB2 in his job description, and I know he is based in California, although I'm not sure if he's at the Silicon Valley Labs or in one of the other San Francisco area offices. I think he has the digits 585 in his telephone number." - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:37:21 -0500, Walt Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >IBMers can opt-out of being listed there. Some, for example, believe >that spammers can harvest email addresses from IBM's whois site, and >choose to opt-out to help reduce the amount of spam they receive. > >Others may opt-out to avoid having their phone number made publicly >available, thus reducing potential interruptions during the work day. > >By default all IBMers are listed, as far as I know, and they must >explicitly opt-out to become unlisted. Walt to complete: Some entire departments are removed from the list to prevent some "ungentlemen behaving people" to call directly some level 2 people . You will not find any french support center personnel on this list for instance . This is fair enough because people were sometimes calling directly to bypass the standard escalation procedures call .(as a former l2 person i remember hating to be disturbed by customer B while analysing some nasty bug for customer A) Later the whole french SSC for all platforms was removed from whois , and i ( now a customer) approve and understand the reason . Bruno Bruno(dot)sugliani(at)groupemornay(dot)asso(dot)fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
Or... You must specify the exact family name. otherwise the name is not found. Are you sure that you write the persons name correctly? from the error message: Hint: the last name must be spelled exactly and completely, although the case is not significant. Itschak -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walt Farrell Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com On 2/28/2007 4:40 PM, Gilbert Saint-Flour wrote: > I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http://whois.ibm.com > For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. > > In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks > who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why > some IBMers aren't listed. > > Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the > http://whois.ibm.com site ? > IBMers can opt-out of being listed there. Some, for example, believe that spammers can harvest email addresses from IBM's whois site, and choose to opt-out to help reduce the amount of spam they receive. Others may opt-out to avoid having their phone number made publicly available, thus reducing potential interruptions during the work day. By default all IBMers are listed, as far as I know, and they must explicitly opt-out to become unlisted. Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
On 2/28/2007 4:40 PM, Gilbert Saint-Flour wrote: I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http://whois.ibm.com For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why some IBMers aren't listed. Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the http://whois.ibm.com site ? IBMers can opt-out of being listed there. Some, for example, believe that spammers can harvest email addresses from IBM's whois site, and choose to opt-out to help reduce the amount of spam they receive. Others may opt-out to avoid having their phone number made publicly available, thus reducing potential interruptions during the work day. By default all IBMers are listed, as far as I know, and they must explicitly opt-out to become unlisted. Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
I seem to remember someone saying some time ago that individual IBMers can opt out of that listing. Dave Cole REPLY TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cole Software WEB PAGE: http://www.colesoft.com 736 Fox Hollow RoadVOICE:540-456-8536 Afton, VA 22920FAX: 540-456-6658 At 2/28/2007 04:38 PM, you wrote: Hello: I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http://whois.ibm.com For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why some IBMers aren't listed. Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the http://whois.ibm.com site ? -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
Might be bullet item #5 on that page: Employees who have chosen to be unlisted will not be shown. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gilbert Saint-Flour Sent: Wednesday February 28 2007 13:39 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com Hello: I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http://whois.ibm.com For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why some IBMers aren't listed. Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the http://whois.ibm.com site ? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
>Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the >http://whois.ibm.com site ? All it takes is permission from your manager. When I was at IGS Canada, I asked for (and received) permission to have my contact information removed from the site. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
Gilbert, I have wondered about that as well. I *GUESSED* that some people don't want to be listed. Because of some issue of hate mail or other nastiness. Ed On Feb 28, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Gilbert Saint-Flour wrote: Hello: I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http:// whois.ibm.com For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why some IBMers aren't listed. Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the http://whois.ibm.com site ? -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Missing IBMers on whois.ibm.com
Hello: I noticed some time ago that not all IBMers are listed on http://whois.ibm.com For example, Mark Thomen is one of them. In fact, I spoke with three IBMers (all of them in the U.S.) in recent weeks who are NOT listed on that site, and nobody was able to explain to me why some IBMers aren't listed. Does anyone on this list has any idea why some IBMers can't be found on the http://whois.ibm.com site ? -- Gilbert Saint-Flour GSF Software http://gsf-soft.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
