Re: Question on DFP
On 5/11/2007 1:58 PM, Mark H. Young wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:35:13 -0400, John Eells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell which version of DFP is on out installation, 1.3 or 1.4 ? We run zOS 1.6, will be running zOA 1.8 The sysprogrammers don't know. snip DFSMSdfp in z/OS R6 is...well...the z/OS R6 level of DFSMSdfp. Likewise for z/OS R8 DFSMSdfp (and, for that matter, z/OS R7 DFSMSdfp). Well, that's not entirely true. Mark Zelden has a REXX Exec called IPLINFO that I use (available on his website, and he is a frequent contributer here). Part of the output from my system is: The OS version is z/OS 01.04.00 - FMID HBB7707 (SP7.0.4). The DFSMS level is z/OS 1.3.0. So the DFSMS level on my z/OS 1.4 system is not 1.4, unless I have old code? What John means, I believe, is that with rare exception, for things that you can get only as part of z/OS, the only valid system configuration is one in which you have the level of each element that z/OS shipped to you. Thus, for example, when you order z/OS R4 you get the appropriate DFSMS FMID(s) that correspond to z/OS R4. You could perhaps snip out a different DFSMS FMID from z/OS R5, or from z/OS R3, and install it on your z/OS R4 system. However, if you did that, then you have a strong likelihood that the system would not work, and a near (perhaps total) certainty that IBM would not support your system if you reported a problem. The same applies to RACF, for example. You get a particular FMID when your order z/OS release x and ask for RACF, and that is the FMID you must use. It it possible that release x and release x+1 will have the same RACF FMID, if RACF did not happen to change. But in any case if you're going to use RACF you must use the FMID that corresponds with that release and that ships with that release, or the system probably won't work right and is almost certainly not supported. Thus, it makes little, if any, sense to ask what release of DFSMS or RACF you have. Rather, you ask what release of z/OS do I have. There are some exceptions. For example, some elements of z/OS ship new function (FMIDs) via web downloads. ICSF has done that, I think. This allows shipment of major new function without needing to coordinate schedules with the base z/OS schedules. Except for that, though, you should ask about z/OS release not the release level of some component of z/OS. And for the cases that ship via web deliverable, etc., you should ask about the FMID, not the release, and the system programmer certainly knows the FMID, or can find it easily. Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
On Mon, 14 May 2007 10:15:11 -0400, Walt Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thus, it makes little, if any, sense to ask what release of DFSMS or RACF you have. Rather, you ask what release of z/OS do I have. There are some exceptions. For example, some elements of z/OS ship new function (FMIDs) via web downloads. ICSF has done that, I think. This allows shipment of major new function without needing to coordinate schedules with the base z/OS schedules. Except for that, though, you should ask about z/OS release not the release level of some component of z/OS. And for the cases that ship via web deliverable, etc., you should ask about the FMID, not the release, and the system programmer certainly knows the FMID, or can find it easily. It hasn't been done since OS/390, but you were able to order and install a higher level of DFSMS than the DFSMS level that was originally distributed with the OS/390 level at the time (all in a supported configuration). My memory is a little fuzzy on this one, but I think it was OS/390 DFSMS 1.5 that could be ordered and installed on OS/390 2.6 - but OS/390 2.6 came with OS/390 DFSMS 1.4. I don't think I've ever seen a statement that indicates IBM won't do something like that again with z/OS. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group: G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS and OS390 expert at http://searchDataCenter.com/ateExperts/ Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
Mark Zelden wrote: snip It hasn't been done since OS/390, but you were able to order and install a higher level of DFSMS than the DFSMS level that was originally distributed with the OS/390 level at the time (all in a supported configuration). My memory is a little fuzzy on this one, but I think it was OS/390 DFSMS 1.5 that could be ordered and installed on OS/390 2.6 - but OS/390 2.6 came with OS/390 DFSMS 1.4. I don't think I've ever seen a statement that indicates IBM won't do something like that again with z/OS. snip You haven't seen one that says we will, either (grin). Back then, DFSMSdfp was a nonexclusive element with its own product number so that it could be ordered separately. Now, it's not. -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
On Mon, 2007-05-14 at 10:15 -0400, Walt Farrell wrote: Thus, it makes little, if any, sense to ask what release of DFSMS or RACF you have. Rather, you ask what release of z/OS do I have. Generally when I have been asked a question like this it is because a *vendor* asked - and won't accept the answer. Most of them via ETR with IBM. In fairness the frequency (of the question) has dropped to almost zero in the last couple of years. The other occasion(s) it's along the lines of we have 1.7; where are the manuals for insert component - the DVD only has [1.4|1.5|1.6] ??? Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
Mark Zelden wrote: snip I don't think I've ever seen a statement that indicates IBM won't do something like that again with z/OS. snip John Eells wrote: You haven't seen one that says we will, either (grin). Back then, DFSMSdfp was a nonexclusive element with its own product number so that it could be ordered separately. Now, it's not. I started using IBM operating systems around 1980 and was taught to expect change. My mentor told me, 'IBM goes through cycles of bundling products together and then unbundling them.' When I first installed DB2 V1R2 it came with utilities that are now separately orderable. Even if I read a statement that declared they do not plan to unbundle or bundle something, plans and statements can change. The good news for me, with z/OS, is how much easier it is to order. And since I am not looking to pick and choose my own levels, happily install what comes on ServerPac. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell which version of DFP is on out installation, 1.3 or 1.4 ? We run zOS 1.6, will be running zOA 1.8 The sysprogrammers don't know. snip DFSMSdfp in z/OS R6 is...well...the z/OS R6 level of DFSMSdfp. Likewise for z/OS R8 DFSMSdfp (and, for that matter, z/OS R7 DFSMSdfp). -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
You could write a quickie REXX exec that would issue the MVSVAR function. It can return the level of DFP on your system For Example: /* RexxFind DFP Level */ x = MVSVAR(SYSDFP) y = MVSVAR(SYSMVS) z = MVSVAR(SYSOPSYS) Say The DFP Level is: x under y at z The DFP Level is: 03.01.07.00 under SP7.0.7 at z/OS 01.07.00 HBB7720 There are many built-in vars in REXX to allow you to extract this type of information. Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell which version of DFP is on out installation, 1.3 or 1.4 ? We run zOS 1.6, will be running zOA 1.8 The sysprogrammers don't know. snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
Steve, Check your log after IPL. This is 1.7 IEA101A SPECIFY SYSTEM PARAMETERS FOR z/OS 01.07.00 HBB7720 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell which version of DFP is on out installation, 1.3 or 1.4 ? We run zOS 1.6, will be running zOA 1.8 The sysprogrammers don't know. snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:35:13 -0400, John Eells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can I tell which version of DFP is on out installation, 1.3 or 1.4 ? We run zOS 1.6, will be running zOA 1.8 The sysprogrammers don't know. snip DFSMSdfp in z/OS R6 is...well...the z/OS R6 level of DFSMSdfp. Likewise for z/OS R8 DFSMSdfp (and, for that matter, z/OS R7 DFSMSdfp). -- John Eells z/OS Technical Marketing IBM Poughkeepsie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, that's not entirely true. Mark Zelden has a REXX Exec called IPLINFO that I use (available on his website, and he is a frequent contributer here). Part of the output from my system is: The OS version is z/OS 01.04.00 - FMID HBB7707 (SP7.0.4). The DFSMS level is z/OS 1.3.0. So the DFSMS level on my z/OS 1.4 system is not 1.4, unless I have old code? And when you say *level of DFP*, you do mean SMS, right?! ...mhyI -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Question on DFP
On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:09:52 -0400, Clark, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Check your log after IPL. This is 1.7 IEA101A SPECIFY SYSTEM PARAMETERS FOR z/OS 01.07.00 HBB7720 Easier than that to get the MVS level, Kevin, though it wasn't the question. On ISPF, the status display on the right shows User ID . : Time. . . : Terminal. : Screen. . : Language. : Appl ID . : TSO logon : TSO prefix: System ID : MVS acct. : Release . : The last three of these are point-and-shoot fields. Position your cursor on Release and press enter. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
