Re: z/OS V2R1 content in KC (and Google)

[Tom Conley]

On 6/14/2018 6:45 PM, Susan Shumway wrote:

Hi all. We've been following all the comments here and elsewhere about the 
removal of the z/OS V2R1 content from KC and have been assessing the situation.

-- IBM recognizes the need to improve our client's experience to find relevant 
content associated with your IBM products and services. To address this, we 
have embarked on a multi-phased, IBM wide effort to right-size content, improve 
search capability and enhance technical content assets.  During this process, 
you may find that some of the content has been moved to new locations. We 
appreciate your patience as we move forward. --

To support this effort, we recently un-published V2R1 content. However, even 
though it is still available in the often preferred PDF and KC4z formats, it is 
now apparent that searching for any z/OS content online is often yielding 
unexpected and understandably frustrating results. (Note that your valuable 
feedback is reinforcing our focus on continued efforts to build and redirect 
indexing for improved Google search.)

Therefore, we're reinstating the entire V2R1 product documentation library in 
KC. We'll also learn from this experience and more carefully focus on online 
search and linking impacts when un-publishing KC content in the future.

Watch for the return of the V2R1 KC content by the end of today. In the 
meantime, we'll continue to make available all the other content formats listed 
on 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1/en/homepage.html
 . As always, see the z/OS Internet Library at 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary 
for links to all releases and formats of the z/OS content.

-Sue Shumway



Sue,

THANK YOU for doing this.  I can confirm that my Google searches are 
working for content I could not find earlier.  I know it couldn't have 
been easy to fight the power at IBM, but thanks for doing it.  We as 
customers appreciate it.


Future discussions should revolve around how to do this in an orderly 
fashion, as Kirk Wolf pointed out elsewhere.  You'll probably get a few 
more brickbats on this issue from IBMMain, 'cause that's just how we 
roll, but I'm grateful you took the hit to get this fixed.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: z/OS V2R1 content in KC (and Google)

[Andrew Rowley]

"IBM wide effort to right-size content" - really?

Personally I don't see the issue with having multiple versions of 
content available. That should at least cover the supported versions, 
but there is also value in having old versions. For example, maybe you 
have a SYS1.PARMLIB member last changed in 2006 and you want to see what 
the defaults and recommendations were back then before you update it.


For the online search and linking impacts, there are simple solutions. 
Google allows you to define a canonical URL for similar pages e.g. 
different releases:

https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/139066?hl=en

So when a new release comes out, all you need to do is update the 
rel=canonical for the old version to point to the new release and Google 
will update all the search results to point to the latest release... 
which is probably what you want.


On 15/06/2018 8:44 AM, Susan Shumway wrote:

Hi all. We've been following all the comments here and elsewhere about the 
removal of the z/OS V2R1 content from KC and have been assessing the situation.

-- IBM recognizes the need to improve our client's experience to find relevant 
content associated with your IBM products and services. To address this, we 
have embarked on a multi-phased, IBM wide effort to right-size content, improve 
search capability and enhance technical content assets.  During this process, 
you may find that some of the content has been moved to new locations. We 
appreciate your patience as we move forward. --

To support this effort, we recently un-published V2R1 content. However, even 
though it is still available in the often preferred PDF and KC4z formats, it is 
now apparent that searching for any z/OS content online is often yielding 
unexpected and understandably frustrating results. (Note that your valuable 
feedback is reinforcing our focus on continued efforts to build and redirect 
indexing for improved Google search.)

Therefore, we're reinstating the entire V2R1 product documentation library in 
KC. We'll also learn from this experience and more carefully focus on online 
search and linking impacts when un-publishing KC content in the future.

Watch for the return of the V2R1 KC content by the end of today. In the 
meantime, we'll continue to make available all the other content formats listed 
on 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1/en/homepage.html
 . As always, see the z/OS Internet Library at 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary 
for links to all releases and formats of the z/OS content.

-Sue Shumway



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z/OS V2R1 content in KC (and Google)

[Susan Shumway]

Hi all. We've been following all the comments here and elsewhere about the 
removal of the z/OS V2R1 content from KC and have been assessing the situation.

-- IBM recognizes the need to improve our client's experience to find relevant 
content associated with your IBM products and services. To address this, we 
have embarked on a multi-phased, IBM wide effort to right-size content, improve 
search capability and enhance technical content assets.  During this process, 
you may find that some of the content has been moved to new locations. We 
appreciate your patience as we move forward. --

To support this effort, we recently un-published V2R1 content. However, even 
though it is still available in the often preferred PDF and KC4z formats, it is 
now apparent that searching for any z/OS content online is often yielding 
unexpected and understandably frustrating results. (Note that your valuable 
feedback is reinforcing our focus on continued efforts to build and redirect 
indexing for improved Google search.)

Therefore, we're reinstating the entire V2R1 product documentation library in 
KC. We'll also learn from this experience and more carefully focus on online 
search and linking impacts when un-publishing KC content in the future.

Watch for the return of the V2R1 KC content by the end of today. In the 
meantime, we'll continue to make available all the other content formats listed 
on 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1/en/homepage.html
 . As always, see the z/OS Internet Library at 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary 
for links to all releases and formats of the z/OS content.

-Sue Shumway

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:33:03 -0700, Ed Jaffe wrote:

>On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>> Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>> command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>> the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>> check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>> the newest release.
>
>No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or
>justification for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this
>thread is about...

Used to be, I recall, that many of the doc pages had pop-ups allowing the
reader to select other releases of the equivalent topic.

-- gil

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Kirk Wolf]

This may have been said before, but if IBM wanted to remove stuff, the
appropriate way is to:

1) use robots.txt or equivalent to exclude the to-be-deleted documents from
search indexes
2) wait some period of time for crawlers to re-index
3) Remove the pages

Google in particular I believe has some tools that you can use to
pro-actively remove pages from their indexes.   If they aren't bring these
pages back, then this is what they should do to clean up the mess that they
have made.

Dealing with search indexes is something that professional web site
publishers should know how to do.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed Technologies
http://dovetail.com

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:33 PM, Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>
>> Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
>> command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
>> the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
>> check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
>> the newest release.
>>
>
> No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or justification
> for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this thread is about...
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/14/2018 9:27 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
the newest release.


No argument there, but saying that provides no rationale or 
justification for removal of the z/OS 2.1 KC content which is what this 
thread is about...


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Re: Cl/Supersession and CA-Top Secret

[Rob Schramm]

Responded offline.


UGH.. the Top Secret section of the CL Supersession manual.. is just
needlessly complicated!!  No wonder there are problems.

I am going to lay down the gauntlet.  Is anyone running Top Secret 4.2?  It
has only been out of service for what ... 26 or 27 years!??!?

It is a bit ridiculous.  It is far easier to just follow the RACF section
and just translate to Top Secret.



Rob Schramm

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:55 AM Roberto Halais 
wrote:

> Listers:
>
> I am installing CL/Supersession for the first time (currently we are IBM
> Session Manager).
> I am having difficulty understanding how to use dynamic application lists
> with Top Secret security.
>
> The documentation is extremely lacking in clarity on how to code the Top
> Secret statements. I have rtfm’ed heavily but gotten nowhere.
>
> If somebody has an example of how to code dynamic application lists thru
> Top Secret feel free to contact me offline or thru list.
>
> Thank you for any help or pointer to documentation.
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Carmen Vitullo]

It works for me but for me and I think others that is not the point, a google, 
bing or even an IBM site search brings up 2.1 links to pages that no longer 
exist and I didn't search for 2.1 content, no other hits come back for 2.2 or 
2.3, all searches link you to 2.1 KC that not there. 
I'll stick to the PDF manuals I've downloaded, hopefully that will not go away, 
and search for what I need on my local MICROSOFT SHARE. 



Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "John Eells"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 11:01:12 AM 
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content? 

Does this link not work for everyone? 

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument
 

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
available before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation 
seems to be available. 

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Cheryl Watson]

Hi Tom and Ed,

I agree!  This is one of the biggest mistakes IBM has ever made.  I'm very 
outraged.  Someone else on the MXG list was looking for the LPAR Design tool 
and I ended up posting this:

-Original Message-
From: MXG Software LIST [mailto:mx...@peach.ease.lsoft.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl 
Watson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 8:40 AM
To: mx...@peach.ease.lsoft.com
Subject: Re: [MXG-L] HiperDispatch & WLM

Hi Otto,

Here's the direct link, but IBM has made it almost impossible to find - 
https://github.com/IBM/IBM-Z-zOS/blob/master/zOS-WLM/WLM%20Tools.pdf.  
Unfortunately, the download links on this page don't work for me under Chrome 
or Firefox.  If anyone can get to them, please post a reply.

Here's how I found the path:

>From the link below, scroll all the way down (past the marketing fluff), to 
>where it says 'Guides' on the left and 'z/OS Workload Management/WLM FAQs' on 
>the right.  Below 'Guides', click on the faint 'More resources' that takes you 
>to another page; then click on 'Explore WLM Resources'; then click on 'WLM 
>Tools.pdf'; then scroll down to find the tool.  I wished the links worked for 
>me.

I'm sorry that IBM corporate has done this to the WLM team, but this website 
redesign has simply gone too far.  I think it's one of the biggest mistakes 
(besides firing some of the most talented people in the industry) that IBM has 
made since letting Ginni loose with the hatchet.  I'm incensed!  If you'd like 
us to host your WLM tools on our own website, we're always willing to do that.

Distressed,
Cheryl


=== 
Cheryl Watson
Watson & Walker, Inc.
1661 Ringling Blvd, PMB 49886
Sarasota, FL 34230
Phone: 941-924-6565
www.watsonwalker.com
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Ed 
Jaffe
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 10:54 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
> GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
> far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.

There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still in 
service...

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN

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AW: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.



Very good point! I strongly prefer to read PDFs over KC web pages when I need 
to read more than a few paragraphs. However, with the change to continuous 
delivery, online documentation, being up to date, is required.


I have a couple of gigabytes of z/OS related PDFs on my workstation, and on my 
iPad. However, I always look up the newest issue on the web when something 
looks odd. Maybe a PTF has introduced new behaviour.


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Tom Conley]

On 6/14/2018 12:01 PM, John Eells wrote:

Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument 



I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
available before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation 
seems to be available.




FYI,

I apologize to my good friend, the distinguished gentleman from NY, and 
ask for unanimous consent to revise and extend my previous remarks.  I 
should have said:


ALL z/OS V2R1  CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!

THEY TOOK THE z/OS V2R1 KC DOC!! THE WHOLE BLEEPING z/OS V2R1 KC DOC!!

(I need a fifth of JD, quick).

Tom Conley

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AW: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Does this link not work for everyone?
 >
>https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument


I can't tell if it is working for everyone, but I can confirm that is for me.


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Allan Staller]

From: 
“https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosInternetLibrary”

Search using IBM Knowledge Center

| 
V2R3

| 
V2R2

| V2R1 | *

Search at the element or book level

| 
V2R3

| 
V2R2

| V2R1 | *




Neither item  is selectable for V2R1. As others have pointed out:

a)   V2R1 is still in service

b)  Google and other still return hits for the V2R1 KC (none of which work).



The PDF shelf seems to work.



On the plus side, I found this above “LookAt is back. IBM Look@ Knowledge 
Center
 prototype is a new version of the popular message look up tool.”  And seems to 
be a replacement for the BKSERV version.  Thank you IBM.



On the minus side, the V2R1 virus also seems to have infected the new LookAt.







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Does this link not work for everyone?



https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww-304.ibm.com%2Fservers%2Fresourcelink%2Fsvc00100.nsf%2Fpages%2Fzosv2r1-pdf-download%3FOpenDocument=02%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C713fd74730944dd8536508d5d2101f98%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C1%7C636645889058375795=RIvw9gr3LXPsl3J5IRj1eT3rhO%2F9tdGKEjNsI1C5qto%3D=0



I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was available 
before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation seems to be available.



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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Mike Schwab]

Even if you have a z/OS 2.1 manual, some PTFs do add features or
command or document changes to older versions, and they only update
the newest manual.  Sometimes it is best to get the newer manual then
check the document changes so you aren't referencing a feature only in
the newest release.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:54 AM Ed Jaffe  wrote:
>
> On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
> >
> > ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
> > GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
> >
> > Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as
> > far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still
> in service...
>
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN
>
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[PINION, RICHARD W.]

That's not what most of us are complaining about.  It's when doing a Google 
search, and Google returns hits that are referencing the 2.1 manuals, which are 
not there.  And for whatever reason, Google is only returning hits on 2.1.

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Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was available 
before, but my (only) point is that the 2.1 documentation seems to be available.

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[John Eells]

Does this link not work for everyone?

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

I fully recognize that this is not the full complement of what was 
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seems to be available.


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Dejan Stamatovic]

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
> GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
> far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.

There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still 
in service...

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN


I totally subscribe to Edward E. Jaffe point of view!

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[John McKown]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 9:54 AM Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:
> >
> > ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A
> > GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
> >
> > Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as
> > far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still
> in service...
>

​IMO, this is a not-so-subtle way for IBM to say "If you want support or
even information, keep spending time and money to keep up to date." They
could make the site "static" for little cost (some disk, some CPU & memory,
some bandwidth) but perhaps they have some strange "justify your disk
usage" policy which mandates removing "obsolete" data as soon as possible.
Sounds like an PHB idea to me. Because everybody knows that empty disk (or
SSD) space costs​ less than one with actual data on it.




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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 6/14/2018 8:53 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!! 



Stop whining and buy a used Power8 and install IBM i 7.3, "What z/OS 
should have been and never was" :)


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Cl/Supersession and CA-Top Secret

[Roberto Halais]

Listers:

I am installing CL/Supersession for the first time (currently we are IBM
Session Manager).
I am having difficulty understanding how to use dynamic application lists
with Top Secret security.

The documentation is extremely lacking in clarity on how to code the Top
Secret statements. I have rtfm’ed heavily but gotten nowhere.

If somebody has an example of how to code dynamic application lists thru
Top Secret feel free to contact me offline or thru list.

Thank you for any help or pointer to documentation.


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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/14/2018 6:05 AM, Tom Conley wrote:


ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A 
GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as 
far as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


There is no justification for having removed this doc. z/OS 2.1 is still 
in service...


https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?htmlfid=ZSL03438USEN

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Phil Carlyle]

Ok, let’s try this simple search – “VSAM DATA SET TYPES”

Results:

About this 
result
Selection of VSAM Data Set Types - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/.../dsfor.htm
1.  
Cached
2.  
Similar
Selection of VSAM Data Set Types. VSAM supports several data set types: 
entry-sequenced (ESDS), key-sequenced (KSDS), linear (LDS), fixed-length, and 
variable-length relative record (RRDS).
Summary of VSAM Data Set Types - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/.../d4264.htm
1.  
Cached
Table 1. Comparison of ESDS, KSDS, fixed-length RRDS, variable-length RRDS, and 
linear data sets. ESDS, KSDS, Fixed-Length RRDS, Variable-Length ...
VSAM and non-VSAM data set types and events - 
IBM
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSMPHH_9.../auvac036.html
1.  
Cached
InfoSphere Guardium S-TAP for Data Sets agent performs data set and record 
level monitoring for VSAM and non-VSAM data sets. The data set types, as well 
as ...

None of this links are good.

Results of links:

Documentation for z/OS V2.1.0 is no longer available in IBM Knowledge Center.
While the product version and release remains in service, you can find 
information in the following formats:

  *   Individual PDFs for downloading: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument
  *   z/OS V2R1 Adobe Indexed Collection (all PDFs with full text search via 
the free Adobe Acrobat Reader): 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/pdf/zosv2r1pdfcollection.zip
  *   IBM Knowledge Center plugins for downloading (for use with IBM Knowledge 
Center for z/OS): http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/zoslib/SSLTBW_2.1.0_4KC.jar.
For information about current releases of this product see 
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW/welcome.
More information and resources are available at the IBM z/OS Internet Library: 
https://www.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosinternetlibrary?opendocument.
How’s that?   I consider that pretty intentional.


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Peter,

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

Ralph

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Phil Carlyle]

I’m afraid I agree, every link that had z/OS 2.1 ended up with “No Longer 
Available”.  The searches all ended in frustration.
The real question is “has IBM removed all of its z/OS documentation?”  Will 
this be repaired or are we all going to have to go back to paper?

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Subject: Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with 
their web content?

I don't think it's actually the case that it was all removed, even
though I will agree that it is more difficult to find.  I thought
someone posted this link a few days ago, but it has been working fine
for me:

https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

This is what I see one page level up from that:

z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Search at the element or book level  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Download books in PDF format  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download content for use with (KC)  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |

(I hope the formatting survives!)

Of those options, I see that there are no V2R1 links for the first two
(the search options), and no V2R2 link for the last one as I write this.

The biggest problem with this is the unavailability of release-specific
search for 2.1, and in not necessarily knowing what things documented in
KC and in the the PDFs for 2.2 and 2.3 are implemented on 2.1.  For all
practical purposes, with limited exceptions, though, all the information
you need for 2.1 is probably in the 2.2 books, too.

Behind the scenes, I know that people *are* working on this, even if the
fruits of their efforts have not yet become apparent.  I am pretty far
removed from those efforts, so I won't try to summarize status or
predict anything, but I can tell you that the issue has caught some
fairly high-level attention.

All that said, on behalf of IBM I can only apologize for the current
state of affairs.  Like you, I hope it is short-lived.

Tom Conley wrote:
> Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their
> documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc
> searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone
> at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making
> Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one
> or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE
> INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!
>
> Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far
> as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Conley
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[John Eells]

I don't think it's actually the case that it was all removed, even 
though I will agree that it is more difficult to find.  I thought 
someone posted this link a few days ago, but it has been working fine 
for me:


https://www-304.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zosv2r1-pdf-download?OpenDocument

This is what I see one page level up from that:

z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center   | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Search at the element or book level | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 | *
Download books in PDF format| V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection   | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |
Download content for use with (KC)  | V2R3  | V2R2  | V2R1 |

(I hope the formatting survives!)

Of those options, I see that there are no V2R1 links for the first two 
(the search options), and no V2R2 link for the last one as I write this.


The biggest problem with this is the unavailability of release-specific 
search for 2.1, and in not necessarily knowing what things documented in 
KC and in the the PDFs for 2.2 and 2.3 are implemented on 2.1.  For all 
practical purposes, with limited exceptions, though, all the information 
you need for 2.1 is probably in the 2.2 books, too.


Behind the scenes, I know that people *are* working on this, even if the 
fruits of their efforts have not yet become apparent.  I am pretty far 
removed from those efforts, so I won't try to summarize status or 
predict anything, but I can tell you that the issue has caught some 
fairly high-level attention.


All that said, on behalf of IBM I can only apologize for the current 
state of affairs.  Like you, I hope it is short-lived.


Tom Conley wrote:
Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their 
documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc 
searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone 
at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making 
Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one 
or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE 
INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far 
as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Carmen Vitullo]

hum my reply to this post via email is not gettingposted ?
trying again..

Totally agree ! very frustrating, what's more frustrating is I spent a good 
amount of time setting up a KC server on my local system and still the search 
engine is a JOKE. 
I have 2.2 KC and CICS (that's all I can get for 2.2) and I use the search bar 
for 'zos command' and get no search results!! really IBM??? 
I'm going back to downloading the doc(PDF)  to a windows share, at least I know 
i can 

1) find what I need

2) its searchable 

 
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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Tom Conley]

On 6/14/2018 8:16 AM, Ralph Robison wrote:

Peter,

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

Ralph



Years ago IBM spent many millions of dollars to convert all their 
documentation to KC.  The rationale was largely to make the doc 
searchable by Internet search engines like Google.  A week ago, someone 
at IBM unilaterally decided to remove this doc, immediately making 
Google searches against IBM doc completely worthless.  It's not just one 
or two documents or links.  ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE 
INTERNET BY IBM!!  DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!!


Peter's anger is justified.  IBM has screwed up royally here, and as far 
as I can tell, they're not lifting a finger to fix the situation.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?

[Ralph Robison]

Peter, 

Others have made useful recommendations for the general situation.

For the specific disappearing doc that you encountered, I wonder whether it may 
have been an error rather than intentionally removed.  In either case, it may 
be useful to cite the specific doc that has become unavailable.  Quite likely, 
someone can help you find what you need.

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Re: REXX calling bpxwunix when SIGNAL NOVALUE active

[Bruce Hewson]

Hello Hobart,

here are my NOVALUE and SYNTAX handlers:-

 Signal on Novalue/* Clean diagnostics   */
 Signal on Syntax /* for unexpected results. */



/*===*/  
Syntax:  
 Say "SYNTAX raised in line" sigl". rc="rc "("errortext(rc)")."  
 zsigl = sigl /* Number of sourceline in error   */  
 Parse Version impl langlevel .   /* Look at language level  */  
 Signal Common/* continue with common code   */  
 
NoValue: 
 Say "NOVALUE raised at line" sigl   
 zsigl = sigl /* Number of sourceline in error   */  
 Parse Version impl langlevel .   /* Look at language level  */  
 If langlevel > 3.45 Then Do  /* Condition BIF is supported  */  
   Say "Then referenced variable is" "CONDITION"('D')
 End 
 Signal Common/* continue with common code   */  
 
Common:   /* Common error handling   */  
 Trace 'o'/* Ensure no tracing   */  
 If sourceline() <> 0 Then Do /* Source lines available  */  
   Say '"'CompleteSource(zsigl)'"'/* Show the line in error  */  
 End 
 If Left(impl,5) <> "REXXC" Then Do /* NOT running a compiled program*/  
   Say "You can look around now..." /* Tell user what they can do*/  
   Trace ?R   /* interactive tracing */  
   Nop   
 End 
 Exit
 
CompleteSource: Procedure
 Parse Arg linenum   
 If Datatype(linenum) <> "NUM" Then linenum=1
 line = Strip(SourceLine(linenum))   
 
 Do While (( Right(line,1) = ",") & (linenum <= SourceLine()))   
   linenum = linenum + 1 
   line = Left(line,(length(line)-1)) Strip(SourceLine(linenum)) 
 End 
 
 Return line 


On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 16:07:48 -0400, Hobart Spitz  wrote:

>Bruce;
>

>
>My typical NOVALUE handler looks like this:
>
>
>
>
>
>*novalue:say condition() condition("c") condition("d") "in line"
>sigl"."parse source Sourcesay Source /* in case we are a few levels down in
>external modules */exit -889*
>
>
>I'd also recommend against TRACE OFF.  A typo can turn a REXX instruction
>into a host command, and those problem can be hard to find.  (The proper
>way to write TRACE is to omit the quotes; they imply VALUE, which takes a
>few extra machine instructions.
>


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Re: REXX calling bpxwunix when SIGNAL NOVALUE active

[Bruce Hewson]

Hi,

Well, of course, as soon as I posted I then spotted that I had not corrected 
quoted the stderr. stem varname.

Actually, the sample code did not come from IBM but from:-

https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/blogs/MartinPacker/entry/bpxwunix_z_os_best_kept_secret10?lang=en

A very good blog update from Mr Packer.

The code below does work. My tests prior to quoting the stem variables did fail.

Tracing did show they were being set to blanks.  It took a little while longer 
to interpret and understand the trace. 

IBM examples are do not quote the stem variables, and are relying on the 
default STEM variable behaviour:-

To trap output from the ls command and display it:
 call bpxwunix ’ls -l’,,out.
do i=1 to out.0
   say out.i
end
To send output from the previous example to word count and print the byte count:
 call bpxwunix ’wc’,out.,bc.
 parse var bc.1 . . count
 say ’byte count is’ count

To trap output on stack and feed it to word count:
 if bpxwunix(’ls -l’,,stack)=0 then
   call bpxwunix ’wc’,stack

ref: Using REXX and z/OS UNIX System Services  SA23-2283-30

The post was to put in archives to remind that using quoted stem vars are 
better when calling bpxwunix.


On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:53:36 -0500, Bruce Hewson  
wrote:

>I thought I would try out using "bpxwunix" in REXX.
>
>The sample code worked fine.
>
>But, I normally code with SIGNAL NOVALUE active.
>
>Then the sample did not work.  It took me a little while to work out. 
>
>This does work:-
>
>/*REXX/
> Trace 'o' 
> Signal on Syntax /* for unexpected results. */
>/*===*/
>  unsorted_data. = 
>  unsorted_data.0=5
>  unsorted_data.1="KIJJ"   
>  unsorted_data.2="KQWR"   
>  unsorted_data.3="ADGF"   
>  unsorted_data.4="OEPE"   
>  unsorted_data.5="VNVV"   
>   
>  sorted_data. =   
>  sorted_data.0=0  
>   
>  cmd="sort"   
>   
>  call bpxwunix cmd,"unsorted_data.","sorted_data.",stderr.
>   
>  say "sorted_data:"   
>  say "==="
>  do i=1 to sorted_data.0  
>say sorted_data.i  
>  end  
>   
>  say "stderr:"
>  say "==="
>  do i=1 to stderr.0   
> say stderr.i  
>  end  
>Return 
>/*===*/
>
>I have not listed the diagnostic section for the SIGNAL processes.
>
>Note the quoted stem names.  This is required.
>


Regards
Bruce Hewson

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