date:20201012

On 2020-10-12 10:04 PM, Joe Monk wrote:

"For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in
production on z/OS?"

How long has it been since youve been to SHARE?

Pittsburgh. I can't remember any customer presentations about deploying
Node is production. Are you aware of any since you obviously go to more
SHARE conferences than me?

I spoke to CICS devs from Hursley about running Node in CICS and they
told me they have customers trying it out in sandboxes but no
production. Java is strategic and runs on zIIP.

We found some serious performance problems with Node.js on z/OS. The
libuv event loop can spike and peg at 50% CPU. We dumped it and it seems
to be looping and leaking file descriptors.
Maybe it's not ready for prime time yet. Hopefully, zCX containers will
solve some of these "porting" issues.

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM David Crayford wrote:

On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote:

IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System

"All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is

the

problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."

https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition

If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?

All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything
original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in
production on z/OS?

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford

wrote:

On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple

transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
processed through a bank.

So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the
mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are
moving to GCP
https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.

You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
a low tolerance for BS!

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On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <

dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I

interviewed there)

In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe?

lala-land?

If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I

etc.

Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
Node.js - JavaScript!

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Re: RFE Vote for IBM Fault Analyzer.

2020-10-12 Thread Hank Oerlemans

Presumably the RFE system sent you the notification that it's delivered in the 
latest PTF.

Cheers Hank,  FA Dev

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we opened a RFE to address a lack in IBM FA.

Cobol Special register are not addressable in the DUMP.

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Re: Reading a dump

2020-10-12 Thread Hank Oerlemans

We thank you for your "vastly superior".


I was using FA to bounce around dumps well before I got involved with the 
product.

Cheers Hank, FA Dev

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Agreed! Especially if you compile with GONUM. Sometimes, you do need to dig a 
bit deeper. For this I use Fault Analyzer which has a fastly superior UI 
compared to IPCS. I only crack open IPCS when I need to format control blocks 
or read the systrace.

On 2020-06-22 1:08 AM, Charles Mills wrote:
> +1 !!!
>
> Look at the LE or C runtime options books and get yourself a CEEDUMP.
> Debugging from one is a little bit of a learning exercise of its own
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Re: Positive feedback, z/OSMF - Workflows

2020-10-12 Thread Allan Staller

Classification: HCL Internal

I agree. However, I had a huge discussion w/Marna about the ergonomics of the 
workflows. Vertical screen space overused. Cumbersome operation. Poor placement 
of radio buttons, etc.

Conceptually it is great.


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I was very concerned when IBM took away the migration guide for z/OS, I've been 
using the migration guide for all my upgrades as long as I can remember.
some time ago I downloaded and imported the z/OS 2.3 to z/OS 2.4 Workflow, last 
week my z/OS order was downloaded and I'm working on the upgrade, now I'm 
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Positive feedback, z/OSMF - Workflows

2020-10-12 Thread Carmen Vitullo

I was very concerned when IBM took away the migration guide for z/OS, I've been 
using the migration guide for all my upgrades as long as I can remember.
some time ago I downloaded and imported the z/OS 2.3 to z/OS 2.4 Workflow, last 
week my z/OS order was downloaded and I'm working on the upgrade, now I'm 
working thru the migration action, I have to say, I'm feeling better about the 
Workflow provided. after learning how to navigate through the workflow and how 
to assign/accept the actions, and take actions, I'm really liking how the 
workflow is broken up into major and minor steps. teaching my replacement will 
be very much easier using workflows, it keeps track of action that need to be 
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Re: Microsoft using IBM was Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread R.S.


W dniu 12.10.2020 o 17:23, Ed Jaffe pisze:

On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote:


I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business
today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and
ARM hardware.


Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes 
to SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort 
Worth?).





To clear discussion:
I'm pretty sure Microsoft has some mainframe. At least for testing 
purposes, i.e. for supporting mainframe migration. For the same reason 
you may find non-IBM storage in IBM datacenter.

Of course that prove nothing except IT staff need some equipment to work on.

However it was open secret that Microsoft have been using AS/400 machine 
for their internal needs, AFAIK it was accounting and HR. So, Microsoft 
have been using AS/400 for their own needs.


BTW: First FTP servers in Microsoft were on some unix or linux. When it 
became loud, Microsoft closed site and some time later they started 
using Windows. It was in dark ages on commercial Internet.


BTW2: Nowadays they officially play with Linux, but IMHO this is 
smokescreen.
Dot-net-core is claimed it can run code on Windows or Linux. Well I know 
a lot of Windows installations running .net core, but none using Linux.


BTW3: I remember press article about mainframe switch-off in HP. It was 
great gala.
AFAIK the mainframe was Amdahl machine with 600GB of dasd storage (or it 
was database). So, another computer vendor using competitive technology.


BTW4: Almost all IT world use SAN equipment from Brocade/Broadcom. 
Almost all companies use laptops with Windows. Almost all of you use 
mobile device from China or Far East. Yes, including Apple.


BTW5: Vast majority of large banks use mainframe. That's something 
obvious for me. However WHAT ABOUT THE REST? What about very few large 
banks NOT using mainframe? What are they using? I believe it is not 
Windows. But what? HP-Compaq-DEC VMS?


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Re: Microsoft using IBM was Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Steve Beaver

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> On Oct 12, 2020, at 10:23, Ed Jaffe  wrote:
> 
> On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote:
>> 
>> I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business
>> today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and
>> ARM hardware.
> 
> Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes to 
> SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort Worth?).
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IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Chris Hoelscher

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>I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their 
>corporate travel department ran on it.

I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business today on 
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Re: Microsoft using IBM was Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Ed Jaffe


On 10/12/2020 8:15 AM, Clark Morris wrote:


I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business
today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and
ARM hardware.


Microsoft has an IBM mainframe running z/OS. One of their guys comes to 
SHARE. I saw him a while back in Orlando and just recently (Fort Worth?).


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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

I agree with Joe.

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On Monday, October 12, 2020, 10:48 AM, Joe Monk  wrote:

Mainframes have been running node.js for years. In fact you can run
Linux/390 and z/OS side by side on the same box with LPARs...

"A Forrester survey released in 2019 found that 56% of respondents planned
to increase their mainframe usage over the next two years, while 36%
planned on the same amount of use.

IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z.
"All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the
problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."
https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition

If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford  wrote:

> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple
> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
> processed through a bank.
>
> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the
> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are
> moving to GCP
> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.
>
> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
> a low tolerance for BS!
>
>
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
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> >
> > On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <
> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> >> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I
> interviewed there)
> > In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?
> >
> > If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
> > Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I
> etc.
> > Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
> > Node.js - JavaScript!
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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

You act like IBM marketing material isn’t true. Prove to me it’s false that 90% 
of credit card transactions don’t process on the mainframe. I’ve provided proof 
it is. You’ve provided nothing to disprove it. It’s not hard to come to the 90% 
conclusion since almost all banks worldwide run on the mainframe. Google it. 
There are dozens of articles that all say the same.


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On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote:

> IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z.
> "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
> Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
> AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the
> problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."
> https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition
>
> If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?

All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything 
original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in 
production on z/OS?


> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford  wrote:
>
>> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
>>> Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple
>> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
>> processed through a bank.
>>
>> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the
>> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are
>> moving to GCP
>> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.
>>
>> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
>> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
>> a low tolerance for BS!
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <
>> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
 Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I
>> interviewed there)
>>> In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?
>>>
>>> If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
>>> Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I
>> etc.
>>> Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
>>> Node.js - JavaScript!
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2020-10-12 Thread Clark Morris

[Default] On 12 Oct 2020 07:49:43 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote:

>I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their 
>corporate travel department ran on it.

I would be astounded if Microsoft was running any of their business
today on other than Microsoft operating systems or Linux on x86 and
ARM hardware.

Clark Morris
>
>Charles
>
>
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Allan Staller
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>The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office!
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Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

2020-10-12 Thread Binyamin Dissen

On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 07:53:28 -0400 Peter Relson  wrote:

:>A "workunit" (AKA "dispatchable unit") to z/OS is a task or SRB.

:>Therefore a workunit is created when a task is created (ATTACH/ATTACHX) or 
:>an SRB is scheduled (SCHEDULE, IEAMSCHD).

ALESERV AL=WORKUNIT does not allow the ALET to be used for an IRB under the
same TCB.

Thus WORKUNIT means something else.

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Charles Mills

I know they did 25-ish years ago. I personally saw it. Also an AS/400 -- their 
corporate travel department ran on it.

Charles


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Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

Then what's special about a timer exit or an IRB in general? And why does MVS 
Programming: Authorized Assembler Services Guide say "Upon entry, the exit 
routine runs with an empty dispatchable unit access list (DU-AL). "


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A "workunit" (AKA "dispatchable unit") to z/OS is a task or SRB.

Therefore a workunit is created when a task is created (ATTACH/ATTACHX) or
an SRB is scheduled (SCHEDULE, IEAMSCHD).

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Bill Ogden

Before pontificating on "stupid" patents, PLEASE study the general field 
just a tiny bit!  These are defensive patents and the unfortunate patent 
systems (mostly led by the U.S.) make these very necessary. The only 
stupidity involved (other than the whole patent process) is not 
understanding the larger business world.  Firms exist that buy up "stupid" 
patents, often written so broadly as to cover practically anything, and 
then sue major companies for patent infringement. Filing the suits cost 
relatively little. Fighting the suits costs $considerably$ more.  Sure, 
the patent owners would probably lose in court, but the whole process 
costs the target companies $money$ and time --- any they often "settle" 
($$$) out of court to avoid larger expenses. Of course, that is the whole 
objective of the exercise.

It would be stupid for IBM (and other companies) not to try to protect 
themselves, and filing trivial defensive patents is one method of doing 
so.  If you want to pontificate about stupid functions, please move your 
target to the patent systems. It can be a very complex topic in the modern 
world where the dividing line between hardware and software and algorithms 
is so fuzzy.


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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Joe Monk

"For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in
production on z/OS?"

How long has it been since youve been to SHARE?

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM David Crayford  wrote:

> On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
>
> > IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System
> z.
> > "All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
> > Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
> > AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is
> the
> > problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."
> >
> https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition
> >
> > If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?
>
> All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything
> original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in
> production on z/OS?
>
>
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> >>> Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple
> >> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
> >> processed through a bank.
> >>
> >> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the
> >> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are
> >> moving to GCP
> >> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.
> >>
> >> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
> >> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
> >> a low tolerance for BS!
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <
> >> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
>  Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I
> >> interviewed there)
> >>> In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe?
> lala-land?
> >>>
> >>> If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
> >>> Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I
> >> etc.
> >>> Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
> >>> Node.js - JavaScript!
> >>>
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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Allan Staller

Classification: HCL Internal

The dirty little secret is that MSOFT has a mainframe in the back office!

-Original Message-
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Clark Morris
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
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>> snip much
>
>Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or wants to 
>do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!!

What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what 
cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM.  I also suspect that Amazon 
has all of their computing on their cloud and is very well aware of the need 
for high security and has worked very hard to achieve it.  Microsoft based on 
my experience with their Knowledge Center (repository for fixes and the 
equivalent of PTF cover letters) seems to understand high availability better 
than IBM based on postings here on ibm-main.

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Alan Altmark

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:44:09 -0500, Dave Jousma  wrote:

>Anyone know any more about this?
>
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ibm-divestiture/ibm-to-break-up-109-year-old-company-to-focus-on-cloud-growth-idUSKBN26T1TZ
>
>https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ibm-to-accelerate-hybrid-cloud-growth-strategy-and-execute-spin-off-of-market-leading-managed-infrastructure-services-unit-301148458.html

IBM's announcements says that IBM will "separate its Managed Infrastructure 
Services unit of its Global Technology Services division into a new public 
company."  

It might help to understand that the IBM Systems and IBM Global Technology 
Services (GTS) divisions are in very different businesses.

IBM Systems produces hardware, operating systems, and related software products 
for sale.  In support of that it also has its own "Lab Services" group that is 
focused on helping clients embrace the new, as well as understand the old.   We 
have some amount of overlap with GTS, but we're on a much smaller scale with 
more advanced and more tightly focused services.

GTS is focused on contracted services that include system operations, data 
center management and operation, application development (formerly of IBM 
Global Business Services), long-term staff augmentation, project management, 
general IT consulting, and Other Duties As Assigned.

One suspects that a considerable amount of effort has been spent drawing a line 
between "Managed Infrastructure Services" and "Other".  At some point IBM will 
publish more details, I'm sure.

Alan Altmark
IBM Systems Lab Services
Senior Managing z/VM Consultant

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

On 2020-10-12 8:21 PM, Joe Monk wrote:

IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z.
"All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the
problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."
https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition

If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?

All you've done is re-post IBM marketing material. Have you got anything
original? For example, show me a customer that is running Node.js in
production on z/OS?

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford wrote:

On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple

transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
processed through a bank.

You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
a low tolerance for BS!

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <

dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I

interviewed there)

In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?

If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I

etc.

Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
Node.js - JavaScript!

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread Joe Monk

Mainframes have been running node.js for years. In fact you can run
Linux/390 and z/OS side by side on the same box with LPARs...

"A Forrester survey released in 2019 found that 56% of respondents planned
to increase their mainframe usage over the next two years, while 36%
planned on the same amount of use.

IBM has also aggressively added support for newer technologies on System z.
"All modern stuff runs well on the big box, from Linux to Kubernetes,"
Mueller said. "So cloud makes sense when you need infinite compute for
AI/ML or storage for Big Data. Then the size nature of the mainframe is the
problem. But that's the problem with all on-premises IT."
https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/252478861/Google-Cloud-adds-mainframe-migration-expertise-via-acquisition

If you have a low tolerance for BS then why are you spouting it?

Joe

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:57 AM David Crayford  wrote:

> On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple
> transactions and doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe
> processed through a bank.
>
> So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the
> mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are
> moving to GCP
> https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.
>
> You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the
> mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have
> a low tolerance for BS!
>
>
> >
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> >
> >
> > On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford <
> dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> >> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I
> interviewed there)
> > In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?
> >
> > If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
> > Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I
> etc.
> > Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
> > Node.js - JavaScript!
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Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

2020-10-12 Thread Peter Relson

A "workunit" (AKA "dispatchable unit") to z/OS is a task or SRB.

Therefore a workunit is created when a task is created (ATTACH/ATTACHX) or 
an SRB is scheduled (SCHEDULE, IEAMSCHD).

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

I never post BS. I interviewed at PayPal quite a few years ago at their 
Columbus, Ohio location. Up in Dublin a northern suburb. They had a mainframe 
then. Apple & Amazon uses a credit card processor which uses a mainframe. 
PayPal also tries to push a credit card on you which is processed by Synchrony 
bank’s mainframe.
IBM isn’t splitting into 2 to sell one. Google split into 2 also a few years 
ago.
Patents are a good thing and generally indicate a company has intelligent 
engineers whose work should be protected.
Latest quarter IBM did over 6 billion in cloud revenue. Half what AZURE did & 
more than half what AWS did. Yeah, they bought it from Red Hat but that’s just 
smart business. So the 2% claim is now BS.
The mainframe isn’t going away in my lifetime & probably not yours. 

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On Monday, October 12, 2020, 6:57 AM, David Crayford  
wrote:

On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and 
> doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank.

So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the 
mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are 
moving to GCP 
https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.

You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the 
mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have 
a low tolerance for BS!

>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford  
> wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
>> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I 
>> interviewed there)
> In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?
>
> If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
> Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc.
> Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
> Node.js - JavaScript!
>
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On 2020-10-12 6:41 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and 
doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank.


So what? The payments system is not running on a mainframe. Nor is the 
mobile payments back-end and all the other infrastructure. Paypal are 
moving to GCP 
https://cloud.google.com/customers/featured/paypal#the-solution.


You seem to think I am bashing the mainframe, which I am not. I love the 
mainframe. I work on it everyday and have done for 30+ years. But I have 
a low tolerance for BS!






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On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford  
wrote:

On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I interviewed 
there)

In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?

If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe!
Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc.
Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to
Node.js - JavaScript!

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Coming from the guy who said he does PayPal, Amazon, & Apple transactions and 
doesn’t know those transactions are mainframe processed through a bank.

Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Monday, October 12, 2020, 5:53 AM, David Crayford  
wrote:

On 2020-10-12 12:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Amazon, PayPal, & Apple either have a mainframe (PayPal did when I 
> interviewed there)

In what parallel universe did Amazon, Paypal run a mainframe? lala-land?

If I google "paypal technology stack" and I don't see a mainframe! 
Mainframes are for running legacy applications written in COBOL, PL/I etc.
Paypal is written in Java, Scala, Python and recently replatformed to 
Node.js - JavaScript!

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Re: PC market (was IBM splitting into two companies)

IBM and Microsoft: Antitrust then and now
https://www.cnet.com/news/ibm-and-microsoft-antitrust-then-and-now/
The first half of the article deals with the IBM antitrust lawsuit that started 
in 1969 and lasted for 13 years. It helped set the stage for MSFT. Since IBM 
was afraid of being the target of the justice department again.

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On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:50:14 +, Bill Johnson wrote:

>They were forced out in a lawsuit first filed in 1969 that the government/IBM 
>settled in early 80’s. I’m not referring to them selling their PC business to 
>Lenovo. Read up. It set up MSFT to dominate the PC software market. IBM and 
>Microsoft: Antitrust then and now 
>  
Cite?

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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

Yes, semantics! Here's another cracker 
https://www.ft.com/content/6f02ce76-e1d6-45d8-b27a-0491281c2507!


On 2020-10-12 5:55 PM, R.S. wrote:

David,

You wrote:

"IBM patents are mostly pathetic."

I understand it as (almost all) IBM patents are pathetic. I disagree 
with such generalisation.


Now you write:
"It was me that said they were pathetic"
Which can be understood as SOME patents are pathetic. Note: not 
"mostly", and not "IBM patents".


English is not my native language, but I see important difference 
between those two statements.


My opinion - I sustain what I wrote, with no changes or distortions.
Maybe it is not obvious, but I didn't say there are no pathetic 
patents at all. However I think such patents are exceptions, not 
majority.





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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

2020-10-12 Thread R.S.


David,

You wrote:

"IBM patents are mostly pathetic."

I understand it as (almost all) IBM patents are pathetic. I disagree 
with such generalisation.


Now you write:
"It was me that said they were pathetic"
Which can be understood as SOME patents are pathetic. Note: not 
"mostly", and not "IBM patents".


English is not my native language, but I see important difference 
between those two statements.


My opinion - I sustain what I wrote, with no changes or distortions.
Maybe it is not obvious, but I didn't say there are no pathetic patents 
at all. However I think such patents are exceptions, not majority.



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W dniu 12.10.2020 o 04:39, David Crayford pisze:
It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark. 
There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is 
dominated by IBM.


Here's a good one! 
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/02/stupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email


A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have 
their names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product 
feature that they designed
that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are 
the first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM 
wanted to use patents

as bargaining chips.

On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S. 
 wrote:


Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents.
Including those like Microsoft and Google.
Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few
of them or cannot make any.



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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

> Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"?

No. Is that the sort of "reasoning" you normally  use?

> Who made you the gospel of truth?

What are you smoking?


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
David Crayford 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:17 AM
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Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies

Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"?
https://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/0624/044.html

You said IBM only file defensive patents. Who made you the gospel of truth?


On 2020-10-12 4:10 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> What part of "defensive patent" don't you understand. The article you cited 
> made it abundantly clear that the USPTO is broken. IBM is far from the only 
> company to file defensive patents. The intent is not to prevent others from 
> using the technique, but to prevent others from successfully patenting it.
>
>
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>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> David Crayford 
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:39 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies
>
> It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark.
> There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is
> dominated by IBM.
>
> Here's a good one!
> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-jcLI-dk2XuBOqXGuXTrUxABiJbwOwRqbBNDBV0YW0k6jNpNfVVfUOZWCv2ybSGyDQgPAURzeZGDiFKNNexudcJIMR6CUgByBvhwvogf0CmuXgE3pngzNnmyFcStgw2ydJBAd5Mex27YJ6BllXpQ5ckRZd8SXcunqSd7pPa-_7sy-k_nKVwsW0vvUte9MEkwSShbJtXbcXUZAadgNpKwE5P3eG8vWb_hYyV4r5nej-pfdPSlVifozfOJNsesF6vRhHgt7YVO9X36MdVF39gP1Cvd1Xh7Ttq40a5FR_oYAoeiGAM6gx6QfFfgSYJyekP7ZmNQtYT2KhnDRjsqnh96njpO8_aeVsVm_n-vhZtLec9ErK1pxeMPEUXua2DdM_3qqxZzaI0uSOuFQJUUdcFgElBqyEYbzjcvD0me7JaTaaS6RGGaSNrlf9alf6g0yp9DJhlOypIOsXe9PC0lVLok4g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2017%2F02%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email
>
> A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their
> names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature
> that they designed
> that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the
> first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted
> to use patents
> as bargaining chips.
>
> On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
>> I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic.
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S.  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents.
>> Including those like Microsoft and Google.
>> Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few
>> of them or cannot make any.
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Thanks: it's RCF time.


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In the Auth Assembler guide, it is stated that IRBs (created by CIRB) get 
control with an empty DU-AL :

“Upon entry, the exit routine runs with an empty dispatchable unit access list 
(DU-AL). To establish
addressability to a data space created by the mainline routine, the exit 
routine can use the ALESERV
macro with the ADD parameter, and specify the STOKEN of the data space.”

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I was relying on what Peter Relson wrote, but I checked the extended 
addressability guide and it shows a DU-AL only for SRB and TCB, not for 
individual RBs. Peter, if you see this, please clarify.


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Seymour mentioned it was the same TCB
But different RB or more specifically IRB



> On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Binyamin Dissen 
> mailto:bdis...@dissensoftware.com>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:08:54 -0400 Peter Relson 
> mailto:rel...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>
> :>>if there is any restriction on deleting an ALET entry
> :>>(ALESERV DELETE) from a STIMERM exit
>
> :>It is not a "restriction", it is a "does not make sense" situation. It
> :>goes well beyond "delete".
>
> :>IRBs (STIMERM exits being one such) do not get control with the access
> :>list that their "mainline" (the STIMERM issuing code) had.
> :>You cannot use an ALET not on your access list. You cannot delete an ALET
> :>not on your access list.
>
> :>If you had tried to reference storage using that ALET while within the
> :>STIMERM exit you would have gotten a program interrupt.
>
> Peter,
>
> I have looked in various manuals and did not find a clear definition of when a
> new "workunit" is created. My assumption from this thread was that an IRB
> created one, but I wonder if there are other occasions. It would not have been
> obvious to me that an IRB would not inherit the workunit of the TCB.
>
> --
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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

Well, the original meaning was sloppy, inept work. The Tech Model Railroad Club 
at MIT introduced a new usage, and the media conflated that with "cracker". 
Some hackers are also crackers, but by no means all.

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Mike Hochee 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:09 PM
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Charles, you must've found my creds!  Please dispose of them in a secure 
manner. :-)

You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community 
seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish things 
that are completely acceptable and above-board.

Mike

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I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws -- what 
IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb user 
errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was because 
someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a table in 
Denny's.

Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure 
characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up.

Charles

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I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with, 
but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just anecdotal 
stuff of course

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1j6Pmcn-zpu8-VCRrm93BntNiLdC9vN3f0cfokG9gGodxLq2d072S7OG4w9A5VyN0m3JQRMUi4xF6m24QGATISW0hCY2Dw74TTaFif3t4kZpeXwbz5VWIlwBOU1SQB2nf93EBq4jR7bCqt7_cfa3XoMeWvgxcns-FsdTv4yAhm91dgcJlDOTnCUNwDMQGPKcadw_d_HrO4FdtJrTyF1JMUri1jndb2-V9XCjvhulk2wnhqfIlshQw_MlX4tUc15z71Dt8CVNuBxiIOTBJ8zZvJ00rc6dDPuXTG7PvNDIX2ijKKdxEj1cQ01fhmXRW1Bq0RInveLYKzu9w2ZJAbd_PuwmlEi7kLlRas7oXPnN4IHYkCTxUf_3jIeMqAG3FJOC3dF3-aOU46Jh810VAW9WC3vxJdv3pvKblaccSf4b27KaWtXFK_iSDkkj8K8VENIph/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbronline.com%2Fnews%2Faws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CgwsJgIqqCZXbxItYxP3s2Epo6V3vEfvcj0_pvICPBFnqbmYOmQq2f-rs30lMWgyxJPk2jpGJRJu4yonlAQ9cqPBX4hyVlsFEifw0yFXkIzav0_6Mzu2idX7h_c6zKrFNKNNmxGI7H-A4j8G25PdC3WIGLchm-cFeBoiu3KnBAlMY3-nc7CByrHo2Lb7qtAmUNJFqEOGCih5GVaSjr4W4SB8wrmILQ5O8wAMvzbgc7sQbdeePy0gshp1RQgEQsJXkuaABYRFUh04E4091iHsK3cXSxIl9DpH0mFp0Y6E_1UL7xUaumQJMY8u_TbUpbow8cBKjd-4UZFgBg1DbH3mpvac9hXNDbXIO1HZTVJpWu5bdlKK4hGbeaO7L0IBIjtQLOnLgRm-vlF6jlzyT7fKwvVmpKpNaAUO5KPLdsaVH0l3GaxyWVlxB8VyiNahYBQb/https%3A%2F%2Ftamebay.com%2F2020%2F05%2Famazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco
unt-recovery-advice.html

https://secure-web.cisco.com/18R72FOi1BZLnZXuX6yxlpEJ52VkBsovO7AWkEO-aQujUd3IbIgqku4E9QKj27rKmu7mJYsnu9iy505NANzmwhZ6HmKFKI7GWc5sLdRMjvH2BehjZE6tX_TAURdlLeK_7XRZfN9DjAcG_xBzarmbEY-EuzrpHfUWAJTVgj8csJDXzo4qv4ecWJgTz_GkySaeWfZxCKX_6wKWD8V9lFRTnsRb3p0CnkszZHXegO9Pn_UkCYybBOLxX0sUt6dZkqdQJ_xPa_w9WXIPk9C47AoKPBknbu_aGSr4imDsmcMKtCJ0qM6cOl2h-VndyZoV40yaDffDeUpZ0Pl7-8F7f1gepHPv-w8jklXvaFsXePXQb_6QkYFC6TfJGAxVd8Mb_OIDA-RzvD0DBEm43NGLAh574xbJuw9Z7zf0ui0PiHKVexv4tzhLVRWSyWzHsVOzI6e8Z/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fmoney%2F10519079%2Famazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters%2F

Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the security 
front that you're aware of?  Here's a link to their identity and access 
management UG...
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys.
html?icmpid=docs_iam_console  Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder what 
an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like.

Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years, 
probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims.

Mike

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[Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
computer chyck  wrote:

>> snip much
>
>Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or
>wants
to do it) but nobody has a flippin' clue how to do it correctly!!!

What I fear is that Amazon and Microsoft both have a far better idea of what 
cloud computing is and how to do it than does IBM.  I also suspect that Amazon 
has

Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

2020-10-12 Thread Rob Scott

In the Auth Assembler guide, it is stated that IRBs (created by CIRB) get 
control with an empty DU-AL :

“Upon entry, the exit routine runs with an empty dispatchable unit access list 
(DU-AL). To establish
addressability to a data space created by the mainline routine, the exit 
routine can use the ALESERV
macro with the ADD parameter, and specify the STOKEN of the data space.”

Rob Scott
Rocket Software



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I was relying on what Peter Relson wrote, but I checked the extended 
addressability guide and it shows a DU-AL only for SRB and TCB, not for 
individual RBs. Peter, if you see this, please clarify.


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Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:03 PM
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Subject: Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

Seymour mentioned it was the same TCB
But different RB or more specifically IRB



> On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Binyamin Dissen 
> mailto:bdis...@dissensoftware.com>> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:08:54 -0400 Peter Relson 
> mailto:rel...@us.ibm.com>> wrote:
>
> :>>if there is any restriction on deleting an ALET entry
> :>>(ALESERV DELETE) from a STIMERM exit
>
> :>It is not a "restriction", it is a "does not make sense" situation. It
> :>goes well beyond "delete".
>
> :>IRBs (STIMERM exits being one such) do not get control with the access
> :>list that their "mainline" (the STIMERM issuing code) had.
> :>You cannot use an ALET not on your access list. You cannot delete an ALET
> :>not on your access list.
>
> :>If you had tried to reference storage using that ALET while within the
> :>STIMERM exit you would have gotten a program interrupt.
>
> Peter,
>
> I have looked in various manuals and did not find a clear definition of when a
> new "workunit" is created. My assumption from this thread was that an IRB
> created one, but I wonder if there are other occasions. It would not have been
> obvious to me that an IRB would not inherit the workunit of the TCB.
>
> --
> Binyamin Dissen 
> mailto:bdis...@dissensoftware.com>>
> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1R5JinyI_89BoT3Z3QmyLNfl5N7ghUXmHkjRjp1fOIq_6W-TFxTlM6rYjDVJ5IIZqFwBH0yS6IaSavG-griK1FdoRqymg1wVAYg_GWsuK_SDER9TAsHbj2ORIYbH9B3mhhoi_6pc-XQxwf8yvCwihk7ih_aML22HZWzNSaO1P4eV_xWz7bbzpq97WU1NcuzKQqa2IW7d_LZIo3DUVmpiyT-C7cfwxKrartZc2lthjBCp-eVLg6f3u0eKz8gakmIgZ-lXtkNzuGXtUyCv2KOxDyPzElWR1UIkBH02zBtZuL7pGFGB8oq4mUz1Y3RiuZMjkxNZuInVYHENxpwx2_hKhUwAL2VY6F771uVZb9ojJIqdAzbRPJjNU9YZPDuhm6G2u0B42tdVZWG9yu3TvoGUcCJ7Hp3u2vz72qQMipbdIYkZPX_QGZuyYkiPXzdhcHEVt/http://www.dissensoftware.com
>
> Director, Dissen Software, Bar & Grill - Israel
>
>
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Re: IBM splitting into two companies

FSVO two larger than the standard value.

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Charles Mills 
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Hold on, I'll post them here for you in a minute.

"Hack" and "hacker" has always had the two meanings, the white and black hat
meanings.

Charles

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Charles, you must've found my creds!  Please dispose of them in a secure
manner. :-)

You make a good point. And to muddy things further, the AWS user community
seems to use the term 'hack' when referring to techniques to accomplish
things that are completely acceptable and above-board.

Mike

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I would think one needs to distinguish between AWS infrastructure flaws --
what IBM would call violations of the statement of integrity -- versus dumb
user errors. The pop press is going to call it "an AWS hack" even if it was
because someone left their userid and password behind on a Post-It note on a
table in Denny's.

Of course the two cases can blur somewhat if there are infrastructure
characteristics that make it particularly easy for a user to screw it up.

Charles

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I do not have an accurate big picture nor a decent set of data to work with,
but here are a few google hits that do not inspire confidence, just
anecdotal stuff of course

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1VTzFjuATviCAhuT5E1W_7xl72YU9s5X0JaH6Tf7anj88qmCC_lgTImkHZ35sGYxirTRqyu969vlba9PoDC04LJfNclxEzPiNbLiBw-EqZiDkqJvO8C7ATQrGUejrlSwE-ZK2qvga-u8RmW_3r-j3RRr-iLHROzrUyL2KYpWcxS6vfhEmEkYqKNSvJqNfAqQx3Zk9wSdAMMp3LIGrXovyKsJSDQwajSlMDa_ddnwbGZ-GL-xqY9JcShGQAuXlvN14T1AhC0cHt8rd0OYrN6UcoJncoxuNfnJcCyLN079glPA68CZEOYwCA0aWqnLLMjJ_E0whksefvP_7vc68la8qD_d109QNXRJO5JqmIL5CvGSs0RDZVEniNlQB8FpiKeR-QAaaC2XB7o1aOQD7tQrZTIav7-5pbFd56Xg-7hbMO2wt6u-VDXyP0JT_jtFP6W5O/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbronline.com%2Fnews%2Faws-servers-hacked-rootkit-in-the-cloud

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1DHP3Sjng4WM_zX3ulKB54LR9N6PlVEUfnYdQfLO1Vy4701nWWO9_XhKXA9fLIyVd0HAVr1cRpbSO0Rk0wVZOCAmCKODUXGDpc6gXI2hyIWt8gIWsSo6sNNfrLSw0l0fmLYZLnItZLz9fXh-c2_El-ect8PgFO2BRcJLczJTGAbHAvlcb8iOMLWVVEYyopB25zX8tr4VQzc-FV2kccH1djF2xhLONLj9j9jmAdDJQPV4Yv4TnlmXeMopGRFiI3Knw7_cLJpVoq-i0RyUXwE1GuRnjZQX1e4dF3jnu0bBqbkLzqAE75M55_Mi9vLYxwr_OcjTwS-vth1VkgYJbwNHsLlCOtGZX5yQrD8RAx-JYrri8MP70-ypRGA3TYaBNVZpmN14KUoWQvCNVSxxdIuaiNuIUhM8JHj9wEIZ7LwsqIAl8Ln8jo2mFnQ-w0dzwOScs/https%3A%2F%2Ftamebay.com%2F2020%2F05%2Famazon-warn-of-hacked-amazon-accounts-issue-acco
unt-recovery-advice.html

https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Z68YEzLszxbuXZWax5QMVuakmNaSX9WWEIrNNSGJTNavNiktPAJk-thQ0vLyb_WIttNgnlX8EMGlQZb3Bw_B_iklhB_hqPRg_aKXTbLqHxsm_87IabADU_ENPhpmQN4pf-QVpFmFyYI_Lb92Rg0MB_RsnoyCnSuWkdrbvv0TGxG6cFpHpc_4GgWgCTRInwafRdI9ZaaaijDncG7tu7GpKk0sh2J6yRPtzwP8P4D-CDrTOA9IH4IVj0stDyTmRL_h_A3LAVYcxhQFsTcjpP-oPE7y1GHzi_CJxAycuYmYgTCQFXCx_foXbJH9WWjhRd4yMpttIKdbyvHUQmHKXqdP0msSFOxg_Y5MtQUMt2yWCoLWyss3o6LEJE5H7vS5EVKFVVWIMPDom4x4fetg1bpF8xCDmdYXJYK0T3zVljxNJFQbEADLh-6S_mZpCP2U2Q0g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fmoney%2F10519079%2Famazon-accounts-hacked-fraudsters%2F

Does AWS have any security components on par with ICSF and RACF on the
security front that you're aware of?  Here's a link to their identity and
access management UG...
https://docs.aws.amazon.com/IAM/latest/UserGuide/id_credentials_access-keys.
html?icmpid=docs_iam_console  Browsing through it briefly makes me wonder
what an AWS secure key repository and management tools might look like.

Having been the victim of a minor identity theft myself in recent years,
probably adds to my skepticism about cloud service provider security claims.

Mike

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[Default] On Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:40:07 -0700 (PDT), in bit.listserv.ibm-main
computer chyck  wrote:

>> snip much
>
>Cloud computing is alot like teenage sex - everybody is doing it (or
>wants
to do it) but nobody has a

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

That's one scenario, but the broken system also provides a perverse incentive 
to file defensive patents, where the goal is not to collect license fees but 
simply to prevent others from obtaining a patent on the same idea.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Wayne Bickerdike 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 7:29 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies

Unfortunately, the U.S. patent system creates warped incentives for
emerging software fields like road-safety features. Rather than competing
in a challenging space, some players are seeking broadly-worded patents,
then hope to sit back and extract profits later.

That may be the strategy of the International Business Machine Corp., which
has acquired more U.S. patents than any other company for decades now. This
week, IBM was awarded U.S. Patent No. 10,191,462
,
describing a “Vehicle electronic receptionist.”

IBM likely has the resources to make technology to manage communications
while driving. But the ’462 patent describes nothing of the sort. Instead,
IBM’s patent simply describes a computerized decision-making process.


https://secure-web.cisco.com/1RWrGtPeaMJvxnTXIEYDJaw8qVOQJsc5rieqkupz4T4nqLgMRiJ4eJJo05REfbsdw4uBFU1Ltu59LIUbe29C14saoCDQ8YxZ6vBQBBz5Y0uvztrfVzV1iUaTOypbJmqB0BjQvA9aPk6tZPPRCqeQom2u4DkJP7fYlHBbRVJshGvUgT6oliJR6ncgrj1xZ_SKSJ2Tg7ImfJFkudvZMRy6ouLx3fkDLNWKwFh0uIIROPIjU_o-lOKwqsHPG-VRuPEvsjupUiP0ZEm9TlMq9qSYliztatJ2rDxjfd6LETp_EWBMBlCDt9tKKjRFZqfZbkES-0yyJKiUH6NVWcfn0cLNJd8iX2Ro9RK2xNYHWZXGw15Ct02cEntu-ffq9-kUY-flAjYY6UturDD0TIiYfASpcdgAzaUo1h0XcX1TTPAWgJNYx1xULhzqhfULNzzrTXtr0k5Le2sYu3SUwLHqLLocti2uKSI9TiVK1RQhMKSJZHZk/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2019%2F01%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibms-software-patent-texting-and-driving

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:18 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:

> Did you want them to wait for someone else to patent it and have an
> expensive court battle to invalidate it?
>
>
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>
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> of Wayne Bickerdike 
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 6:14 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies
>
> IBM have a patent on the SORTL instruction. I guess they are entitled to do
> that but IMHO what it does is hardly new. How it does it, perhaps.
>
> I wish I had patented run flat tires. It was my idea many years ago.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 5:14 AM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> > The broken US patent system forces IBM to take out defensive patents, and
> > they're far from the only ones to do so. Note that if USPTO denies the
> > paten as prior art or as obvious to a practitioner, that blocks anybody
> > else from patenting it, which achieves IBM's objective.
> >
> > IBM is far from the only company with a portfolio of defensive patents.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf
> > of David Crayford 
> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:40 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies
> >
> > IBM patents are mostly pathetic. They patent stuff like "how to create a
> > railroad diagram using REXX . It's embarrassing! The likes of Google,
> > Facebook and even the new Microsoft open source all of their code so
> > everybody can use it for free. Software patents are nothing more then
> > bargaining chips. Google doesn't care about who has access to their
> > code. They give it away for free.
> >
> > On 2020-10-11 9:31 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> > > IBM, as usual, almost always leads the US in patents. This year is no
> > exception. Which indicates how intelligent their engineers are. IBM laid
> > the groundwork for much of today’s IT.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 1:43 AM, zMan 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, big companies ARE using AWS, GCP, and Azure for critical
> > information.
> > > We deal with them every day.
> > >
> > > And for the record, I'm hardly an IBM or mainframe basher. I just call
> > out
> > > BS when I see it, like that 1.3M/second. Which you have not responded
> to.
> > > It was IBM who said they came up with that by taking their largest
> > > customers and extrapolating. Using that methodology, every car is good
> > for
> > > 2M miles and gets 80MPG. Oh, and we're all billionaires. See how bad
> that
> > > approach is?
> > >
> > > Now, if the $6B is true, that's fascinating. It still doesn't explain
> why
> > > the dozens of large mainframe shops we work with NEVER mention IBM when
> > >

Re: IBM splitting into two companies

Is this kind of behavior what you are describing as "defensive"? 
https://www.forbes.com/asap/2002/0624/044.html


You said IBM only file defensive patents. Who made you the gospel of truth?


On 2020-10-12 4:10 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

What part of "defensive patent" don't you understand. The article you cited 
made it abundantly clear that the USPTO is broken. IBM is far from the only company to 
file defensive patents. The intent is not to prevent others from using the technique, but 
to prevent others from successfully patenting it.


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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3



From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of David 
Crayford 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:39 PM
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Subject: Re: IBM splitting into two companies

It was me that said they were pathetic and I stand by that remark.
There's a website that has a "stupid patent of the month" which is
dominated by IBM.

Here's a good one!
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1-jcLI-dk2XuBOqXGuXTrUxABiJbwOwRqbBNDBV0YW0k6jNpNfVVfUOZWCv2ybSGyDQgPAURzeZGDiFKNNexudcJIMR6CUgByBvhwvogf0CmuXgE3pngzNnmyFcStgw2ydJBAd5Mex27YJ6BllXpQ5ckRZd8SXcunqSd7pPa-_7sy-k_nKVwsW0vvUte9MEkwSShbJtXbcXUZAadgNpKwE5P3eG8vWb_hYyV4r5nej-pfdPSlVifozfOJNsesF6vRhHgt7YVO9X36MdVF39gP1Cvd1Xh7Ttq40a5FR_oYAoeiGAM6gx6QfFfgSYJyekP7ZmNQtYT2KhnDRjsqnh96njpO8_aeVsVm_n-vhZtLec9ErK1pxeMPEUXua2DdM_3qqxZzaI0uSOuFQJUUdcFgElBqyEYbzjcvD0me7JaTaaS6RGGaSNrlf9alf6g0yp9DJhlOypIOsXe9PC0lVLok4g/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eff.org%2Fdeeplinks%2F2017%2F02%2Fstupid-patent-month-ibm-patents-out-office-email

A lot of my colleagues are ex IBMers and quite a few of them have their
names on patents. A lot of those patents are stupid! Any product feature
that they designed
that was considered novel they lodged a patent request for. They are the
first ones to acknowledge that the process was brain-damaged. IBM wanted
to use patents
as bargaining chips.

On 2020-10-12 12:27 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

I agree. It wasn’t me who said they were pathetic.


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On Sunday, October 11, 2020, 12:26 PM, R.S.  
wrote:

Patents are not pathetic. Other companies still make new patents.
Including those like Microsoft and Google.
Patents are still valid and important even if some company have only few
of them or cannot make any.


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Re: ALERSERV delete from stimerm exit

I was relying on what Peter Relson wrote, but I checked the extended 
addressability guide and it shows a DU-AL only for SRB and TCB, not for 
individual RBs. Peter, if you see this, please clarify.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Joseph Reichman 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:03 PM
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Seymour mentioned it was the same TCB
But different RB or more specifically IRB



> On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:19 PM, Binyamin Dissen  
> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:08:54 -0400 Peter Relson  wrote:
>
> :>>if there is any restriction on deleting an ALET entry
> :>>(ALESERV DELETE) from a STIMERM exit
>
> :>It is not a "restriction", it is a "does not make sense" situation. It
> :>goes well beyond "delete".
>
> :>IRBs (STIMERM exits being one such) do not get control with the access
> :>list that their "mainline" (the STIMERM issuing code) had.
> :>You cannot use an ALET not on your access list. You cannot delete an ALET
> :>not on your access list.
>
> :>If you had tried to reference storage using that ALET while within the
> :>STIMERM exit you would have gotten a program interrupt.
>
> Peter,
>
> I have looked in various manuals and did not find a clear definition of when a
> new "workunit" is created. My assumption from this thread was that an IRB
> created one, but I wonder if there are other occasions. It would not have been
> obvious to me that an IRB would not inherit the workunit of the TCB.
>
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>
>
> Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
> you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.
>
> I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
> especially those from irresponsible companies.
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Re: IBM splitting into two companies