Re: is there any document for using shopz

[Roger Bolan]

Try https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/search/shopz

On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 10:36 PM Jason Cai  wrote:

> Hi all
>
>I just am authorized to access IBM shopz. I had never accessed IBM
> shopz before.
>
>   Is there any document about how to order production or PTF by shopz.
>
>   Any suggestion is greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Jason Cai
>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Roger Bolan]

Just a question.  Are you still using old links to the "Knowledge Center"
site or new links to the "IBM Documentation" site?
For example:
See https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.4.0
for the z/OS 2.40 books.
I have been using the "IBM Documentation" site all day yesterday and today
and haven't noticed any problems.
--Roger

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:36 AM Richards, Robert B. (CTR) <
01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Carmen Vitullo
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.
>
> to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates
> periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the
>
> | update makes and what pages to remove and replace?
>
> taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to
> no help with all the products that now encompass the base
>
> I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability
> to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a
> great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC,
> last I head that's not working? or de funked?
>
> I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E
> or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be
> willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any
> cfg file to make this happen locally
>
> Carmen
>
>
>
> On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> > To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the
> > IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access,
> > internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our
> > clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire,
> > let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to
> our database.
> >
> > Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in
> > as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time
> I left.
> > I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost
> > impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software
> changes.
> >
> > Ramsey Hallman
> > MVS/QuickRef Development
> > Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René
> > Jansen
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in
> >> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s
> >> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome
> >> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the
> >> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even
> >> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS
> >> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> René.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs
> >>> to
> >> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The
> >> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and
> >> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.
> >>> Matt Hogstrom
> >>> PGP key 0F143BC1
> >>>
>  On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
> >> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>  How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>  Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>  I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never
>  went
> >> down :-) but think of the trees.
>  Damn ! Am I that old ?
> 
>  I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[Rupert Reynolds]

Never run your favourite development edit macros, when the output dataset
for the LINK has been temporarily tweaked to an office load library, which
is also APF-auth and allocated to the production JES3, particularly when
the macro reacts to x37 abends by compressing DISP=SHR.

I've never heard so many phones ring at once!

In my defence, the whole office was sysprogs, every one of them Captain
Kirk, so nobody had told me about the cheeky extra library :-)

Roops

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Re: REXX long string to SAY and IKT00405I

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 14:06:02 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>> 
>> Unprintable data is a more likely culprit.
>
>Yes, that was the reason.
>
Did you resolve the problem with a TRANSLATE() filter or at the source?


Is it related to the Polish alphabet?  What code page does 
your terminal use?

-- gil

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[Pommier, Rex]

If it was a 4245 printer, those things were built like tanks.  I was messing 
around with a golf club (I don't golf) and swung it, not realizing the amount 
of force they have in front of the printer and smacked the door - hard.  Didn't 
even dent the thing.  I was relieved.

Rex

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carl swanson
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:13 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

Many years ago the 3rd shift computer operator was having issues with 
the 5245 (I believe) printer. After the printer jamming numerous times he had 
it with the printer and instead of addressing the issue, he took out his hand 
gun and shot it a single time. Only damaged the cover and not the printer but 
operations management did not challenge him on this. 

Carl Swanson
carl.swans...@verizon.net

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Bridges
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:01 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

People often say "times have changed" when what's actually changed is a 
fashion.  I'm not saying more fundamental issues never change, but it's well to 
keep the distinction in mind, and to know which is which.  Just sayin'.

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-Original Message-
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Phil Smith III
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 00:15

Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach, yet 
get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down for a half-hour/day/week? 
That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a cable (to get back to Matt's 
post)? No big deal.

I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but have 
times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence seems otherwise in so 
many cases.

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>can go
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

I'd settle for more complete PDF metadata and an OOREXX package to read them, 
to include

 * Authors when applicable
 * Date
 * Edition
 * Editors when appropriate
 * Form code
 * Title
 * URL for citing


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
René Jansen [rene.vincent.jan...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:47 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which 
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are 
the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. 
having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the 
tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be 
like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>
> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read 
> the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document 
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and 
> stable API interface would be welcome.
>
> Matt Hogstrom
> PGP key 0F143BC1
>
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
>> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>>
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[carl swanson]

Many years ago the 3rd shift computer operator was having issues
with the 5245 (I believe) printer. After the printer jamming numerous times
he had it with the printer and instead of addressing the issue, he took out
his hand gun and shot it a single time. Only damaged the cover and not the
printer but operations management did not challenge him on this. 

Carl Swanson
carl.swans...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
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Bob Bridges
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 11:01 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

People often say "times have changed" when what's actually changed is a
fashion.  I'm not saying more fundamental issues never change, but it's well
to keep the distinction in mind, and to know which is which.  Just sayin'.

---
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/* Being famous has its benefits, but fame isn't one of them.  -Larry Wall
*/

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Phil Smith III
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 00:15

Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach,
yet get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down for a
half-hour/day/week? That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a cable
(to get back to Matt's post)? No big deal.

I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but
have times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence seems otherwise
in so many cases.

--- Shmuel wrote:
>Asking "what can possible go wrong?" is good. Believing that nothing 
>can go
wrong is suicidal.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

I remember independent TNLs hitting the same page, neither including the new 
text of the other. The indexed BM READ collections were a major improvement, 
IMHO, although they messed up diagrams. The PDF manuals should have had 
equivalent functionality, but they're no there yet.


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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to
no help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability
to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD
a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the
KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E
or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would
be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and
update any cfg file to make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
> ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
> not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
> content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
> do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.
>
> Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
> s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
> I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
> keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.
>
> Ramsey Hallman
> MVS/QuickRef Development
> Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
>> progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
>> are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
>> e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
>> were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
>> these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
>> finger in the blue binder!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to
>> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
>> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
>> stable API interface would be welcome.
>>> Matt Hogstrom
>>> PGP key 0F143BC1
>>>
 On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
>> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
 How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
 Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
 I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went
>> down :-) but think of the trees.
 Damn ! Am I that old ?

 I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have to correct me speeling again :)

*| update marks and what pages to remove and replace? *IIRC Bob, yeah that's 
about right, till about 1998-99 or so
Carmen
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On 1/21/2022 11:35 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?

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Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no 
help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to 
update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great 
tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head 
that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an 
outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing 
to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to 
make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the
IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access,
internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our
clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire,
let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our 
database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in
as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost
impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René
Jansen
wrote:


Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in
which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s
to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome
to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the
docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even
generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS
newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad


On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom   wrote:

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs
to

read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The
document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and
a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1


On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <

03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never
went

down :-) but think of the trees.

Damn ! Am I that old ?

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Re: zEDC Justification documents or links

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I replied offline to Glenn that I am definitely interested in his charts as 
typical management definitely responds to pretty pictures! 

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Hi Robert, if your shop uses DFSMShsm, I have some charts that I can share with 
you that show the significant advantages of using zEDC for backup and 
migration. zEDC is the #1 Best Practice for DFSMShsm.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I remember doing those tech updates by hand...circa 1985?

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:24 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the

| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to no 
help with all the products that now encompass the base

I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability to 
update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD a great 
tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the KC, last I head 
that's not working? or de funked?

I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E or an 
outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would be willing 
to do what's necessary to create a local repository and update any cfg file to 
make this happen locally

Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:
> To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the 
> IBM and ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, 
> internet or not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our 
> clients, if there is content we do not currently have that you desire, 
> let us know and we will do our best to obtain that content and add it to our 
> database.
>
> Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in 
> as a s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I 
> left.
> I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost 
> impossible to keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.
>
> Ramsey Hallman
> MVS/QuickRef Development
> Chicago-Soft, Ltd.
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René 
> Jansen
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in 
>> which progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s 
>> to everything are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome 
>> to stay updated, by e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the 
>> docs databases. If these were of the tagged variety, we could even 
>> generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be like updating TLS 
>> newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> René.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs 
>>> to
>> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The 
>> document database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and 
>> a supported and stable API interface would be welcome.
>>> Matt Hogstrom
>>> PGP key 0F143BC1
>>>
 On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
>> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
 How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
 Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
 I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never 
 went
>> down :-) but think of the trees.
 Damn ! Am I that old ?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

not shameless IMHO, a great tool I use first before hitting the books.

to age myself a bit, I remember getting boxes of hard copy, and updates 
periodically and was able to update the doc by hand, anyone remember the


| update makes and what pages to remove and replace?

taking that away and replacing it with a ACTION(DOC) update is little to 
no help with all the products that now encompass the base


I hope IBM developers are reading, listening, we really need the ability 
to update PDF doc, IBM pushed KC to be on our local processors, and HAD 
a great tool to get the doc from IBM and update our local copy of the 
KC, last I head that's not working? or de funked?


I don't know how this can be done, but I'm sure it can be done via SMP/E 
or an outboard tool to update our local doc with any ACTION(DOC) I would 
be willing to do what's necessary to create a local repository and 
update any cfg file to make this happen locally


Carmen



On 1/21/2022 11:03 AM, Ramsey Hallman wrote:

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen
wrote:


Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad


On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to

read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
stable API interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1


On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <

03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went

down :-) but think of the trees.

Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: zEDC Justification documents or links

[Glenn Wilcock]

Hi Robert, if your shop uses DFSMShsm, I have some charts that I can share with 
you that show the significant advantages of using zEDC for backup and 
migration. zEDC is the #1 Best Practice for DFSMShsm.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Ramsey Hallman]

To throw in a shameless plug, if you have MVS/QuickRef, much of the IBM and
ISV content is available on your mainframe for instant access, internet or
not, KC up or down, USB plugable, etc.  And for our clients, if there is
content we do not currently have that you desire, let us know and we will
do our best to obtain that content and add it to our database.

Prior to becoming a developer for MVS/QuickRef, every shop I worked in as a
s/p had QuickRef.  If it didn't when I arrived, it did by the time I left.
I don't know what I would have done without it.  It's almost impossible to
keep physical manuals up to date as quickly as software changes.

Ramsey Hallman
MVS/QuickRef Development
Chicago-Soft, Ltd.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 10:48 AM René Jansen 
wrote:

> Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which
> progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything
> are the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by
> e.g. having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these
> were of the tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of
> these. I would be like updating TLS newsletters without catching your
> finger in the blue binder!
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> >
> > One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to
> read the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and
> stable API interface would be welcome.
> >
> > Matt Hogstrom
> > PGP key 0F143BC1
> >
> >> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans <
> 03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
> >> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> >> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went
> down :-) but think of the trees.
> >> Damn ! Am I that old ?
> >>
> >> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

Yes, that is a very good idea. It would follow the general route in which 
progress is made, then undone, and then redone. As JSON api’s to everything are 
the fashion nowadays, that would be really welcome to stay updated, by e.g. 
having a nightly cronjob that updates the docs databases. If these were of the 
tagged variety, we could even generate updated PDFs out of these. I would be 
like updating TLS newsletters without catching your finger in the blue binder!

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 16:25, Matt Hogstrom  wrote:
> 
> One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read 
> the IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document 
> database assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and 
> stable API interface would be welcome.
> 
> Matt Hogstrom
> PGP key 0F143BC1
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
>> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

Speaking about bookmanager - I am right in assuming the Linux version is MIA? I 
was looking into making a Docker container for my older books - to run on the 
Mac actually - but could not find that anymore. Is there a good 
bookmanager—>pdf conversion somewhere?

Best regards,

René.



> On 21 Jan 2022, at 17:06, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index was 
> built the first time was very good.
> 
> we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager doc 
> and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 Warp :)
> 
> Carmen
> 
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:
>> I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that 
>> came with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now 
>> have a sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being 
>> able to look in them even when my internet connection is down.
>> 
>> ---
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>> 
>> /* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is 
>> I used to until she got an unlisted number. */
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I also like Book-manager, and agree the search function once the index 
was built the first time was very good.


we merged our systems doc using Book-manager build with the book-manager 
doc and placed that doc on the same Book-manager server...running OS/2 
Warp :)


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 9:58 AM, Bob Bridges wrote:

I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came 
with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a 
sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being able to 
look in them even when my internet connection is down.

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/* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is I 
used to until she got an unlisted number. */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[Bob Bridges]

People often say "times have changed" when what's actually changed is a
fashion.  I'm not saying more fundamental issues never change, but it's well
to keep the distinction in mind, and to know which is which.  Just sayin'.

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*/

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Phil Smith III
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 00:15

Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach,
yet get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down for a
half-hour/day/week? That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a cable
(to get back to Matt's post)? No big deal.

I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but
have times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence seems otherwise
in so many cases.

--- Shmuel wrote:
>Asking "what can possible go wrong?" is good. Believing that nothing can go
wrong is suicidal.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Bob Bridges]

I always liked the HTML versions, and much prefer the search facility that came 
with those.  But once IBM discontinued them, I bit the bullet and now have a 
sizable collection of PDFs.  It's true there's an advantage of being able to 
look in them even when my internet connection is down.

---
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/* Often when I'm reading a good book I stop and thank my teacher.  That is I 
used to until she got an unlisted number. */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 17:18

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

good point, and normally not inserted unless I know I've loaded new 
content that I want to save and I use the last USB port on the front of 
this tower to recharge my wireless ear pods :)



On 1/21/2022 9:31 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup.
Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both 
your primary HDD/SSD and backup device.


And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin.

I did it.
My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in 
external case, USB attached.
However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a 
lot of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these 
pictures. The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories 
against content change. (Of course it's scripted).



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Re: TCPIP and ICSF. And RMF

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

Radolslaw,

There are 2 parts to TLS encryption, the handshake and the data encryption. 
(Others may argue there are more.) These are the handshake and the data 
transfer. The handshake uses asymmetric encryption (RSA key pairs typically, 
but also Elliptic Curve key pairs), while the data transfer uses symmetric 
encryption.

TLS will use CPACF for the data encryption if it is physically available and 
the encryption mechanism is supported by CPACF.
TLS will use Crypto Express 2 device for the handshake if it can. This may 
depend again on the encryption mechanism requested in the Cipher suite 
specified.

TLS will use software where it cannot use the hardware.
TLS also uses hashing. This too is usually handled using CPACF, if available.
Also I think that the z15 CPACF has some asymmetric support which can also be 
invoked.

You have to make sure that the Cipher Suite you choose is supported by the 
hardware.

There are RMF reports showing Crypto usage, but I have only seen these in batch 
reports. Maybe they are available on panels and others can help you.

You will probably find it useful to run the SSL started task, GSKSRVR. This 
will give you information about sessions using TLS and SSL. It is an optional 
address space. It is documented in Chapter 11 of 
Cryptographic Services System Secure Sockets Layer Programming SC14-7495-50.

Depending on the 3270 client you are using there will usually be a way to see 
what is being used. For example on Vista 3270 you can click the little upward 
arrow in the bottom left of the screen. This shows you the crypto services 
being used.

Regards
Lennie
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: 21 January 2022 13:11
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: TCPIP and ICSF. And RMF

How to reconfigure TCPIP family members (TCPIP, TN3270, FTP, etc.) to start 
using ICSF services for things requiring cryptography?
And how to check whether they use/don't use ICSF?

Another question: is there any RMF screen showing current utilization of crypto 
HW?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

I'd suggest to remove the stick. And insert it only when doing backup.
Reason: cyber resiliency. Ransomware could destroy content of both your 
primary HDD/SSD and backup device.


And it's worth to have two (or more) devices. And round robin.

I did it.
My backup space is IMHO huge - approx. 70GB. So I use regular HDD in 
external case, USB attached.
However incremental backup takes approx. 4-5 minutes. Yes, I have a lot 
of pictures, PDFs, etc. But I do not modify majority of these pictures. 
The most of time spent for backup is checking directiories against 
content change. (Of course it's scripted).


--
Radoslaw Skorupka
Lodz, Poland




W dniu 21.01.2022 o 16:12, Carmen Vitullo pisze:
indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is 
still a 1tb spinner :(


I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups 
daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all 
my doc/pictures


and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :)

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent 
pointing device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger 
SSD wouldn't hurt.


* FSVO large that grows every year.

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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
behalf of Richards, Robert B. (CTR) 
[01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a 
point, albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.


What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been 
booted in years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my 
house. 😊


Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
Behalf Of Carmen Vitullo

Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
company PC's and Laptops :(


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work 
computer. Just ask the Iranians.


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the 
manuals, people!


You might not have external internet access when it all goes 
sideways. In fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which 
you would want, very bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link 
infested crap that is an absolute showcase of how not to provide 
documentation, or build websites using active content, for that 
matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and 
reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no 
‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
emulators.


Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have 
generational copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the 
pdf file on a modern high res screen is a showcase of modern 
technology, the website is not.


Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index 
page was intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some 
links to where you want to go, mostly due to performance, the 
faster the page loads the better, no glitter, pictures or 
unnecessary icons.


the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of 
my team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike 
Myers) ! otherwise it was all hand coded.



Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web 
page design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, 
performance, reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., 
credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog 
standard to not tell the user the required format and to reject 
valid characters.


Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available 
as those the are replacing.

I have been sayig thi

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Matt Hogstrom]

One thing not mentioned on the thread is the ability to have APIs to read the 
IBM document database.  If one exists please share.  The document database 
assumes a human at a browser which is limiting and a supported and stable API 
interface would be welcome.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Jan 20, 2022, at 17:18, Hank Oerlemans 
> <03c4d8bf55f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
> but think of the trees.
> Damn ! Am I that old ?
> 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Matt Hogstrom]

I understand why companies are providing and locking down their laptops.  They 
connect to the company network and can easily infect other systems.  The most 
annoying feature is the lack of ability to plug in external storage (not just 
USBs).  The answer is push everything to the cloud.  

I’ve seen too many cases where one person is not diligent and causes the most 
harm so the answer is lock down everything and deal with exceptions; which are 
few and far between.

Matt Hogstrom
PGP key 0F143BC1

> On Jan 21, 2022, at 09:50, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
> company PC's and Laptops :(
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
>> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>> 
>> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work 
>> computer. Just ask the Iranians.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> René Jansen
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
>> people!
>> 
>> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
>> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
>> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
>> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
>> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
>> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
>> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
>> emulators.
>> 
>> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>> 
>> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
>> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
>> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> René.
>> 
>> 
 On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the 
>>> better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>> 
>>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carmen
>>> 
 On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
 It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
 design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
 reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
 e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the 
 user the required format and to reject valid characters.
 
 Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
 
 
 --
 Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
 http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
 
 
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
 behalf of Allan Staller
 [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
 Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
 
 Classification: Confidential
 
 The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
 the are replacing.
 I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
 
 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
 Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
 Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
 
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 trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
 a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
 your Computer.]
 
 How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
 Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
 I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
 :-) but think of the trees.
 Damn ! Am I that old ?
 
 I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

indeed, that's why I still use this Desktop, but my hard drive is still 
a 1tb spinner :(


I have my USB stick loaded all the time and run incremental backups 
daily. my last PC had a disk controller failure and I ALMOST lost all my 
doc/pictures


and NO - I'm not going to any cloud :)

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 9:05 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing 
device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt.

* FSVO large that grows every year.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 😊

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: migrate from DS8884 to DS8910F

[Pommier, Rex]

When we migrated from our 8870 to the 8910 we used a similar approach.  As a 
small shop (2 LPARs) we took an outage to do the actual swing.  We used global 
mirror to replicate the 8870 to the 8910 (async replication between2 boxes 10 
feet apart, across a couple fibers is really fast).  We had fibers between the 
z14 and the 8910 already laid and ready to plug into the z.  When the cutover 
came we shut down the z, unplugged the 8870 from the z, plugged the 8910 in the 
same Ficon ports and brought the z back up.  

BTW, at least in our case (and our business partner said this is normal) IBM 
provided a no-charge limited license for global mirror for this express 
purpose.  

As far as the DR configuration, you may want to consider whether you want to 
use the 8884 for DR.  They're falling off support at the end of this year.  We 
currently have that exact configuration - an 8910 at the primary site and an 
8884 at the DR site.  We're looking at upgrading the 8884 - probably with 
another 8910 at DR.  In our case, we are using a couple fiber channel ports out 
the back of the 8910 into a Brocade switch (IBM branded) and over our WAN link 
to the alternate site.  A second Brocade takes the data into the 8884.

Rex 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Timothy Sipples
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 2:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: migrate from DS8884 to DS8910F

Zoran Trifunović wrote:
>We have two z14 and IBM DS8884 and ds8190f. Can you briefly explain how 
>to migrate from IBM DS8884 to ds891f using copyservice.
>And another question how to make dr solution where IBM DS8884 and one 
>z14 would be dr center and ds8190f and z14 would be primary center also 
>using copyservices

Richard Pinion wrote:
>Not sure if this is the correct answer for you.  But, we recently moved 
>all of our data from a Hitachi Data Systems G1500 box to a Hitachi Data 
>Systems 5100 (some say 5100 others say 5500) box.  We used TDMF.

Zoran, your first point of call ought to be the folks who sold you your IBM 
DS8190F storage unit(s). It's quite likely they would be able to advise you 
well on migration and DR options.

That said, here's an introductory answer. I agree with Richard that TDMF is 
quite useful particularly if planned service interruptions are unacceptable or 
at least undesirable, and you want to reduce or eliminate outages. However, you 
mentioned Copy Services, so I'll answer that way. 
One basic approach for migration is:

1. You configure Global Mirror replication from your IBM DS8884 to your IBM 
DS8190F. Why Global Mirror? Because it's asynchronous, so it doesn't require as 
much forethought and planning since it's lower impact than synchronous 
replication.

2. After the Global Mirror pairing is humming along nicely, you shut down the 
IBM Z server. This can be on a LPAR by LPAR basis, typically starting with a 
Development LPAR.

3. You wait for Global Mirror replication to "drain," so that the target 
storage device is caught up to the primary. This shouldn't take long at all.

4. You sever the mirroring.

5. You swing the new storage unit (which now has all the replicated
volumes) into the primary role.

6. You start up your IBM Z server again, LPAR by LPAR typically. 
(Migrating the storage volumes for each LPAR in turn.)

7. You decommission or repurpose your IBM DS8884. (Donate it to me! :-))

Storage growth is quite common, and ideally you would configure your new IBM 
DS8190F so that you'd use larger volume sizes, notably EAVs, for your next 
growth phase instead of assuming you add any more Mod9s or whatever. 
But of course you can carry forward the existing volume sizes.

There are some more detailed specifics about how you attach the storage units 
(cables, ports, switches if any, etc.) Ideally you would have everything cabled 
up and ready to go so that you're not actually doing anything physically when 
you shut down and restart your IBM Z LPARs since that part tends to be time 
critical. Having both storage units available would also let you restart the 
LPAR(s) again with the IBM DS8884 if for whatever reason you can't relaunch the 
LPAR(s) on the IBM DS8910F.

Disaster Recovery (DR) is another whole topic, and there are many choices 
available. The two big "numbers" for DR are Recovery Time Objective (RTO) and 
Recovery Point Objective (RPO). If you have consensus agreement in your 
organization what those metrics need to be, you should be able to configure and 
deploy an IBM Z environment that meets or exceeds them. RTO means basically 
"what is the maximum time delay tolerable to restore end user service in a 
disaster," and RPO means "what is the maximum tolerable amount of data loss (if 
any) for committed transactions in a disaster." 
For example:

RTO = 4 hours
RPO = zero (no data loss)

would be one pair of objectives. To get to RPO = zero for transaction 
processing systems that exhibit at least tolerable end user re

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

LOL!

my home desktop tower, is an HP Pavilion, 4G of memory, a 2.4 GHZ AMD 
processor chip running winders 10 64bit


not winders 11 compatable, but it still runs

Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:58 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 😊

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

A home computer is a device with a comfortable keyboard, a decent pointing 
device and a large* UHD monitor. Of course, a 2 TB or larger SSD wouldn't hurt.

* FSVO large that grows every year.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Richards, Robert B. (CTR) [01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 😊

Bob

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
>>> behalf of Allan Staller
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
>>> your Computer.]
>>>
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>
>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>>
>>> 

Plan B for the Internet - Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Nash, Jonathan S.]

This reminds me of the TED talk by Danny Hillis 
(who is from Baltimore)

https://www.ted.com/talks/danny_hillis_the_internet_could_crash_we_need_a_plan_b


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject:Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have all the 2.3 and 2.3 z/OS and products doc on our company share, 
my issue was my co-worker was working with the IBM DEBUG team and a new 
parm was provided for COBOL that aided in debug was not in this original 
doc.


I'd have to check my holddata for any hold actions for DOC that I may 
have missed.


something I normally do is send the update for AO and DOC to the team, 
since support for COBOL was moved to me just recently, I'm sure it was 
something I overlooked


thanks

Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:55 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local 
copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more 
affordable than it used to be.

* Even paranoids have real enemies.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on
company PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo   wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion ListOn
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

-
- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
sendemailtolists...@listserv.ua.eduwith the message: INFO
IBM-MAIN
::DISCLAIMER::

The contents 

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

Our company PC's and Laptops are also disabled, but I was making a point, 
albeit poorly, to be careful with USB sticks these days.

What's a home PC these days? My only laptop is old and hasn't been booted in 
years. iPads and iPhones and Watches are the rage in my house. 😊

Bob 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:50 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on company 
PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be 
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
>>> your Computer.]
>>>
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>
>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>>
>>> 
>>> -
>>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
>>> send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu   with the message: INFO
>>> IBM-MAIN
>>> ::DISCLAIMER::
>>> 
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>>> intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not 
>>> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, 
>>> corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain 
>>> viruse

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

Download to a network on your work PC. If you are paranoid* then make local 
copies of the most critical. At today's disk and SSD prices, it's a lot more 
affordable than it used to be.

* Even paranoids have real enemies.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Carmen Vitullo [cvitu...@hughes.net]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on
company PC's and Laptops :(

Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.
>
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
>
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
>
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
>
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>>
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>>
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>>
>>
>> Carmen
>>
>>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>>
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
>>> behalf of Allan Staller
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>>
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>>
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
>>> your Computer.]
>>>
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>>
>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>>
>>> -
>>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
>>> send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu   with the message: INFO
>>> IBM-MAIN
>>> ::DISCLAIMER::
>>> 
>>> The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and 
>>> intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not 
>>> guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, 
>>> corrupted, lost, destroyed, a

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

Of course. I am very biased against company provided laptops. Also, using your 
own for the docs provides the extra screen real estate, and - most of the time 
- better resolution needed for reading comfort.

Of course my machines have an up to date copy of the stick on SSD. And when a 
company has sensible VPN access, a better 3270 emulator.

@Carmen - having an undocumented parm for COBOL deserves an immediate 
Documentation APAR. Paying for software means having supported documentation, 
which is up to date. Please ask them in the APAR to have synchronised sources 
for the PDF and the website, where the PDF is the primary output. I am not sure 
what is happening to IBM. Is COBOL now also outsourced?

Best regards,

René.

Sent from my iPad

> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:47, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) 
> <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. 
> 
> Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
> Just ask the Iranians.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
> René Jansen
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
> 
> My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, 
> people!
> 
> You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In 
> fact, that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very 
> bad, access to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an 
> absolute showcase of how not to provide documentation, or build websites 
> using active content, for that matter. That mainframe would be still online 
> of course, and reachable, provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, 
> and no ‘stepping stones’ on deplorable technology. Or webserver based 
> emulators.
> 
> Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.
> 
> My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
> copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
> high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> René.
> 
> 
>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
>> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
>> want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, 
>> no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
>> 
>> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
>> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
>> otherwise it was all hand coded.
>> 
>> 
>> Carmen
>> 
 On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, 
>>> e-mail addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user 
>>> the required format and to reject valid characters.
>>> 
>>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>> 
>>> Classification: Confidential
>>> 
>>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>>> the are replacing.
>>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>>> 
>>> [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you 
>>> trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be 
>>> a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise 
>>> your Computer.]
>>> 
>>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>>> :-) but think of the trees.
>>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>>> 
>>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, 
>>> send email tolists...@listserv.ua.edu  with the message: INFO 
>>> IBM-MAIN
>>> ::DISCLAIMER::
>>> 
>>> The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are conf

Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

for me Bob, I'd have to download on my home PC, USB's are disabled on 
company PC's and Laptops :(


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:47 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC.

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on
behalf of Allan Staller
[0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On
Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PMTo:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you
trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be
a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise
your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

-
- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send emailtolists...@listserv.ua.edu   with the message: INFO
IBM-MAIN
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

I hope you only plug that USB stick in your own PC. 

Policy here is that it can get you fired if you plug it into a work computer. 
Just ask the Iranians.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
René Jansen
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 9:41 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on 
>> behalf of Allan Staller 
>> [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>> Behalf Of Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
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>> your Computer.]
>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

+1

good point, in my case, a new COBOL parm, not documented in the doc we 
had downloaded was not provided thus the need to get up to date content.


do we now need to mimic what SMP/E does for system maint and holddata 
and run a ORDER from server to make sure we have up to date, valid content?


Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:40 AM, René Jansen wrote:

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.



On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.

the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! otherwise 
it was all hand coded.


Carmen


On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List   On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[René Jansen]

My regular warning to download the all the pdf files of all the manuals, people!

You might not have external internet access when it all goes sideways. In fact, 
that is an extremely common scenario, in which you would want, very bad, access 
to all the crummy, slow, wrong-link infested crap that is an absolute showcase 
of how not to provide documentation, or build websites using active content, 
for that matter. That mainframe would be still online of course, and reachable, 
provided you have a direct Telnet 3270 link to it, and no ‘stepping stones’ on 
deplorable technology. Or webserver based emulators.

Books are even better of course, but not everyone has the space.

My usb stick with manuals is very well maintained, and I have generational 
copies of that. That stick, and the readability of the pdf file on a modern 
high res screen is a showcase of modern technology, the website is not.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 15:21, Carmen Vitullo  wrote:
> 
> I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
> intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you want 
> to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the better, no 
> glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.
> 
> the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my team 
> members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) ! 
> otherwise it was all hand coded.
> 
> 
> Carmen
> 
>> On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page 
>> design. Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, 
>> reliability. Take entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail 
>> addresses, names, ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the 
>> required format and to reject valid characters.
>> 
>> Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>> 
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
>> Classification: Confidential
>> 
>> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those 
>> the are replacing.
>> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
>> Hank Oerlemans
>> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
>> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?
>> 
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>> 
>> How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
>> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
>> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down 
>> :-) but think of the trees.
>> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>> 
>> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
>> 
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[Seymour J Metz]

Welcome to the world of the sound byte, where profit means 90-day cash flow and 
planning means "apres moi le deluge." Times have changed.

The good news is that some of the changes are positive.


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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 12:15 AM
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Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

Shmuel wrote:

>Asking "what can possible go wrong?" is good. Believing that nothing can go 
>wrong is suicidal.



Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach, yet 
get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down
for a half-hour/day/week? That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a 
cable (to get back to Matt's post)? No big deal.



I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but have 
times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence
seems otherwise in so many cases.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Carmen Vitullo]

I have to agree, back in the early days development of a index page was 
intended to be simple, provide some wording, and some links to where you 
want to go, mostly due to performance, the faster the page loads the 
better, no glitter, pictures or unnecessary icons.


the only tools we had back in the early 90's was a C program one of my 
team members write to convert DCF/SCRIPT to HTML (thanks to Mike Myers) 
! otherwise it was all hand coded.



Carmen

On 1/21/2022 8:02 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Allan Staller [0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the 
sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, 
which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.]

How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Seymour J Metz]

It's not just IBM. There seems to be a race to the bottom in web page design. 
Glitz is more important than, e.g., ease of use, performance, reliability. Take 
entry and validation of, e.g., credit card numbers, e-mail addresses, names, 
ZIP codes; it is bog standard to not tell the user the required format and to 
reject valid characters.

Not that "everybody else does it" is a valid excuse.


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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2022 7:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Hank Oerlemans
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 4:18 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

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How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down :-) 
but think of the trees.
Damn ! Am I that old ?

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TCPIP and ICSF. And RMF

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

How to reconfigure TCPIP family members (TCPIP, TN3270, FTP, etc.) to 
start using ICSF services for things requiring cryptography?

And how to check whether they use/don't use ICSF?

Another question: is there any RMF screen showing current utilization of 
crypto HW?


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Re: REXX long string to SAY and IKT00405I

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

W dniu 20.01.2022 o 23:35, Hank Oerlemans pisze:

Without actually checking long string behaviour my first reaction would be to 
check the data ?
Unprintable data is a more likely culprit.


Yes, that was the reason.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

[Colin Paice]

I wonder if IBM realises that these tools showcase IBM products.  Do I want
tools and products like this to run my business?

On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 12:18, Allan Staller <
0387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Classification: Confidential
>
> The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those
> the are replacing.
> I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Hank Oerlemans
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> Just when it's all seems stable it changes and we go around again.
> I could mention the stacks of manuals I started with that never went down
> :-) but think of the trees.
> Damn ! Am I that old ?
>
> I'm gonna download the pdf collection for now.
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Re: IBM Knowledge Center down?

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Classification: Confidential

The "new tools" are neither as reliable, functional or available as those the 
are replacing.
I have been sayig this for the last 10 yrs (or more).

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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How many online systems have IBM put out there now ?
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Re: EXTERNAL: Re: What not to do on a z/OS system...

[René Jansen]

Phil,

that is a very good question, and one I struggle with sometimes. On the one 
hand, when I was a system programmer (wel, don’t we keep being that always?) we 
had strict rules that nothing impacted customer’s work, and that implied always 
doing changes at night-time and in weekends. For production, we had batch 
windows and inter-application consistent moments (running DB2 quiesce a lot).  
But on the other hand, everything was limited to the current timezone, and when 
that stopped being so, there went the batch windows out of the door (or the 
window), there was always somebody needing the system somewhere, DB2 utilities 
got ‘online’ versions. Banks nowadays close systems with large differences 
because interfaces did not run at the right moment, and in the hope that 
tomorrow everything will be fine again - I remember the day when we needed to 
stay for the weekend because the ledger had a one cents discrepancy (It was 
COBOL rounding - and one programmer that had covered errors like that a decade 
before it happened). Because of no consistent points in time anymore, the 
discrepancies run into the millions sometimes and nobody really cares it seems 
(and sometimes it really turns out to be fraud).

Yes times have changed. But I think they need to change back. It will only take 
some great disasters before it will happen. When you are accustomed to RACF and 
structured security, it is a bit odd to see youths running with Windows Admin 
and Linux root for all small changes, and really nobody understanding how safe 
a system can be when one understands the difference between user- and 
supervisor mode. Not observing that, is another prominent reason for outages of 
the unplanned kind.

Best regards,

René.


> On 21 Jan 2022, at 06:15, Phil Smith III  wrote:
> 
> Shmuel wrote:
> 
>> Asking "what can possible go wrong?" is good. Believing that nothing can go 
>> wrong is suicidal.
> 
> 
> 
> Indeed. Yet so many "production" systems (non-Z) don't take that approach, 
> yet get away with it. Oh, that e-commerce website is down
> for a half-hour/day/week? That helpdesk is offline because someone pulled a 
> cable (to get back to Matt's post)? No big deal.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't get it. Are we wrong? Are they wrong? It's easy to be purist, but 
> have times changed?? I like to think not, but the evidence
> seems otherwise in so many cases.
> 
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Re: migrate from DS8884 to DS8910F

[Timothy Sipples]

Zoran Trifunović wrote:
>We have two z14 and IBM DS8884 and ds8190f. Can you briefly
>explain how to migrate from IBM DS8884 to ds891f using copyservice.
>And another question how to make dr solution where IBM DS8884 and
>one z14 would be dr center and ds8190f and z14 would be primary
>center also using copyservices

Richard Pinion wrote:
>Not sure if this is the correct answer for you.  But, we recently
>moved all of our data from a Hitachi Data Systems G1500 box to a
>Hitachi Data Systems 5100 (some say 5100 others say 5500) box.  We
>used TDMF.

Zoran, your first point of call ought to be the folks who sold you your 
IBM DS8190F storage unit(s). It's quite likely they would be able to 
advise you well on migration and DR options.

That said, here's an introductory answer. I agree with Richard that TDMF 
is quite useful particularly if planned service interruptions are 
unacceptable or at least undesirable, and you want to reduce or eliminate 
outages. However, you mentioned Copy Services, so I'll answer that way. 
One basic approach for migration is:

1. You configure Global Mirror replication from your IBM DS8884 to your 
IBM DS8190F. Why Global Mirror? Because it's asynchronous, so it doesn't 
require as much forethought and planning since it's lower impact than 
synchronous replication.

2. After the Global Mirror pairing is humming along nicely, you shut down 
the IBM Z server. This can be on a LPAR by LPAR basis, typically starting 
with a Development LPAR.

3. You wait for Global Mirror replication to "drain," so that the target 
storage device is caught up to the primary. This shouldn't take long at 
all.

4. You sever the mirroring.

5. You swing the new storage unit (which now has all the replicated 
volumes) into the primary role.

6. You start up your IBM Z server again, LPAR by LPAR typically. 
(Migrating the storage volumes for each LPAR in turn.)

7. You decommission or repurpose your IBM DS8884. (Donate it to me! :-))

Storage growth is quite common, and ideally you would configure your new 
IBM DS8190F so that you'd use larger volume sizes, notably EAVs, for your 
next growth phase instead of assuming you add any more Mod9s or whatever. 
But of course you can carry forward the existing volume sizes.

There are some more detailed specifics about how you attach the storage 
units (cables, ports, switches if any, etc.) Ideally you would have 
everything cabled up and ready to go so that you're not actually doing 
anything physically when you shut down and restart your IBM Z LPARs since 
that part tends to be time critical. Having both storage units available 
would also let you restart the LPAR(s) again with the IBM DS8884 if for 
whatever reason you can't relaunch the LPAR(s) on the IBM DS8910F.

Disaster Recovery (DR) is another whole topic, and there are many choices 
available. The two big "numbers" for DR are Recovery Time Objective (RTO) 
and Recovery Point Objective (RPO). If you have consensus agreement in 
your organization what those metrics need to be, you should be able to 
configure and deploy an IBM Z environment that meets or exceeds them. RTO 
means basically "what is the maximum time delay tolerable to restore end 
user service in a disaster," and RPO means "what is the maximum tolerable 
amount of data loss (if any) for committed transactions in a disaster." 
For example:

RTO = 4 hours
RPO = zero (no data loss)

would be one pair of objectives. To get to RPO = zero for transaction 
processing systems that exhibit at least tolerable end user responsiveness 
requires careful attention to the "fiber distance" between sites. It'd be 
wonderful to put one site in Zurich and the other in Vancouver, for 
example, but the fiber distance between those two locations imposes 
significant delays that don't really work for transaction processing 
systems typically found on IBM Z servers. (And on other servers too, for 
that matter.) If your primary and secondary data centers are at "metro 
distance" -- a few kilometers apart, or tens of kilometers -- then you can 
probably get to RPO = zero if need be. Beyond that it gets "interesting." 
(I happen to work with a few customers that need RPO=zero over 
intercontinental distances for very selective, extremely high value 
transactions. Can be done, but you have to be a little clever.)

In certain circumstances you can get RTO down to zero, too, if need be. To 
get RTO down below several hours requires automation. Generally speaking 
you need a bigger budget and more operational excellence the lower your 
RTO and RPO numbers. Thus there's some balancing of costs versus risks, 
and that's ultimately a business decision (or public policy decision if 
you're a government agency).

There's heightened interest in recovering from logical data corruption 
events given increasing malware and ransomware threats. That's a hot topic 
right now, and there are excellent IBM Z-based answers to defend against 
and quickly recover from all sorts of logica