Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Edward Gould]

> On Oct 27, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Ed Jaffe  > wrote:
> 
> On 10/26/2017 8:21 PM, Longnecker, Dennis wrote:
>> I miss CA-1.  I found it much easier to use than RMM.  I am constantly 
>> trying to remember how to find things in RMM that were so simple to find in 
>> CA-1.  What I especially miss is the reporting in CA-1.  They were so simple 
>> to create.  I find that I have to utilize FDR/ABR reporting to give me the 
>> RMM reports I want.
> 
> There are two main reasons people use one product over another: functionality 
> and cost. You miss CA-1's functionality over RMM.
> 
> It's highly unusual for support to be much of a factor in product decisions 
> unless the customer has encountered an ongoing pattern of serious problems 
> that never get resolved. That's what makes Ed Gould's line of reasoning in 
> this thread so bewildering...

The place I used to work for, before any software was ordered, everybody got to 
chime in with their suggestions about the product also about any renewals. Let 
me put this introspective as we *ONLY* were able to test on Sundays (and that 
was further restricted by outside factors, which we could not change. When we 
got the system it was about 8AM Sunday and we had to really beat the system to 
find any bugs before we could consider testing production. I have a friend who 
I am like, as he finds bugs which no one else can, I come in second. Anyway 
since our test time was limited if we ran into a wall for EXAMPLE with CA-1 we 
had to get it fixed then and not wait for next weeks (maybe test time). I was 
the senior person and tried to let the younger sysprogs to call the vendors and 
deal with the issue. I would listen in on the conversations some times to see 
how they were going. If the Jr person ran into a brick wall, he would ask me to 
get involved. Many times I took over problems and the person on the other end 
was jerking the jr sysprog around. I would step in and let him try the same 
thing on me. I would not put up with it and demanded to talk to his/her 
supervisor. Generally the person came on the phone as he was at home. I 
explained the narrow window that we had for test time and the issue we were 
having and the non response we were getting from their support person. If 
he/she gave me a hard time, I would write the VP a memoir about how the company 
wasn’t being straight with us. When it came time for renewal the VP called the 
sales rep in and read him the riot act. We (the company) was lets say the 
center of several stock type markets. If we didn’t open (i.e. send them all 
their data by a specified time we got fined in big dollars) we came close one 
time where markets opened 15 minutes late and we got reamed for it and no 
raises that year. One time bad data was sent out and the programmer got fired. 
The VP always looked after his people and always listened to us. When we gave a 
bad review to any vendor and the VP agreed we went searching for a replacement. 
Sometimes there were only 1 vendor and the only thing you could do was scream 
at the rep.
I think it was around 1992+- that the ability to put SWA above the line was 
made available. I knew we were going to be early ship.  I also knew that one of 
the products would be using it. I called all the vendors and got their manager 
on the line and told them that we *HAD* to implement swa above the line and 
told the managers to have a fix available in 2 months. 2 months go by and we 
had two uncooperative vendors. I have trashed both of them on here repeatedly 
so no need to stick the knife in any deeper. The one comes up with a zap in 
three weeks. The other we never hear back from them so I called them and they 
said it was a low priority issue and they might address it in a year. I was 
livid. Fortunately, the vendor supplied source to their one stubborn product so 
one afternoon, I went through the listing and found the place where I could 
change it so it would accommodate swa above the line. We tested it one Sunday. 
Bright and early I was on the phone to the vendor and said look it took me 15 
minutes to fix your damn program, why can’t you? The guy actually asked me if I 
could send them a copy of the fix and I asked for a years free rent on their 
product, he wasn’t in a position to offer it to us. I said let me know when you 
guys can come up with the fix. I hung up on him. I fired off a memo to the VP 
and he got the company to get off the package and go with another one. He also 
made sure that the company knew why.
Ed
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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Ed Jaffe]

On 10/26/2017 8:21 PM, Longnecker, Dennis wrote:

I miss CA-1.  I found it much easier to use than RMM.  I am constantly trying 
to remember how to find things in RMM that were so simple to find in CA-1.  
What I especially miss is the reporting in CA-1.  They were so simple to 
create.  I find that I have to utilize FDR/ABR reporting to give me the RMM 
reports I want.


There are two main reasons people use one product over another: 
functionality and cost. You miss CA-1's functionality over RMM.


It's highly unusual for support to be much of a factor in product 
decisions unless the customer has encountered an ongoing pattern of 
serious problems that never get resolved. That's what makes Ed Gould's 
line of reasoning in this thread so bewildering...


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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Edward Gould]

> On 10/25/2017 10:35 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> 
>> The real question should be is how is IBM support for RMM?
> 
> I don't know in the general case, but anecdotally I once I had a situation 
> where RMM was *DOWN* (SEV 1) abending at startup. The support folks on the 
> other end seemed unable to glean much from the SVC dump I'd sent, so they 
> asked a bunch of rudimentary questions, made one useless suggestion after 
> another, asked for this and that trace, and generally "dinked" around until I 
> was ready to pull my hair out. (We were dead in the water for a couple of 
> days.)

All, I am not excusing IBM, but I have had similar issues with an OEM vendor 
and it is frustrating and exasperating. I have had one vendor wanting to delve 
into the listings of installation while the system was down.
After seeing that the session was going nowhere my mind started to go through 
sequences (the product had worked fine for 5 years). I was listening to the 
support person and looking what had changed on the system. My memory is iffy 
here but I think a PTF had hit IEFW21SD. It turned out that the blankety blank 
product interfaced. I told the guy that the mobile got hit by such and such PTF 
. It went over his head. I asked again did you know about ptfxx? He said 
why are you telling me this are you trying to confuse me? One last time I 
reminded him of the dependancy. I said I would back out the PTF and expect a 
call to his boss in the AM.
Its been ages but I do remember that the boss gave orders shortly thereafter to 
find a replacement. We did and never had an issue with it. 

Ed   
> 
> In desperation, I wrote to Mike Wood (now retired) and sent him my PMR 
> number. He was _astonished_ at the (lack of good) support I was getting! 
> He scolded his support team and told them straight away what the problem 
> likely was.
> 
> Thanks to Mike's help, my systems were up within the hour...
> 
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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Longnecker, Dennis]

I miss CA-1.  I found it much easier to use than RMM.  I am constantly trying 
to remember how to find things in RMM that were so simple to find in CA-1.  
What I especially miss is the reporting in CA-1.  They were so simple to 
create.  I find that I have to utilize FDR/ABR reporting to give me the RMM 
reports I want.

Dennis

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Of Ed Jaffe
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 10:59 PM
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Subject: Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

On 10/25/2017 10:35 PM, Edward Gould wrote:
>
> The real question should be is how is IBM support for RMM?

I don't know in the general case, but anecdotally I once I had a situation 
where RMM was *DOWN* (SEV 1) abending at startup. The support folks on the 
other end seemed unable to glean much from the SVC dump I'd sent, so they asked 
a bunch of rudimentary questions, made one useless suggestion after another, 
asked for this and that trace, and generally "dinked" around until I was ready 
to pull my hair out. (We were dead in the water for a couple of days.)

In desperation, I wrote to Mike Wood (now retired) and sent him my PMR number. 
He was _astonished_ at the (lack of good) support I was getting! 
He scolded his support team and told them straight away what the problem likely 
was.

Thanks to Mike's help, my systems were up within the hour...

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Ed Jaffe]

On 10/25/2017 10:35 PM, Edward Gould wrote:


The real question should be is how is IBM support for RMM?


I don't know in the general case, but anecdotally I once I had a 
situation where RMM was *DOWN* (SEV 1) abending at startup. The support 
folks on the other end seemed unable to glean much from the SVC dump I'd 
sent, so they asked a bunch of rudimentary questions, made one useless 
suggestion after another, asked for this and that trace, and generally 
"dinked" around until I was ready to pull my hair out. (We were dead in 
the water for a couple of days.)


In desperation, I wrote to Mike Wood (now retired) and sent him my PMR 
number. He was _astonished_ at the (lack of good) support I was getting! 
He scolded his support team and told them straight away what the problem 
likely was.


Thanks to Mike's help, my systems were up within the hour...

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Edward Gould]

> On Oct 25, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Russell Witt  wrote:
> 
> And of course using modern CA 1 you NEVER have to shutdown CA 1. You can move 
> the database, add or remove ranges even do an in-depth analysis - no shutdown 
> ever. In fact, you can even upgrade 1 release at a time without having to 
> stop tape processing. Why would you EVER want to have a tape management 
> system that requires you to stop tape processing - ever? 
> 
> 
> And Skip, we haven't been one record per block for about 15 years now.
> 
> 
> Russell Witt
> CA 1
> 

Russel:

The real question you should ask is why should anyone stay with CA-1? I have 
had many issues over the years and CA-1 support is generally good (not great 
but good). I have been burned a few times by CA-1 support as well as they have 
saved my bacon. The real question should be is how is IBM support for RMM? I 
can’t answer this question, only people that have converted. The secondary 
issue is that the product is Computer Associates. They have not a great 
reputation. IBM’s reputation is starting to go down hill, IMO. The I of CA-1 
has always been. IMO a PITA. I won’t even go into pricing.

Ed
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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Tim Hare]

I can vouch for 'modern CA1' - I went through merging tape databases for 
several LPARs into one shared tape database, then after that was able to do 
maintenance taks without outage.

re: BSAM vs. VSAM vs. whatever.It would be nice  if products which used 
"databases" used a standard API (such as SQL)  and we could use whatever 
database we had already licensed for the underlying storage of the information. 
I mention SQL because it is extremely common, ODBC would be another choice  - 
as long as it is _standard_ .  Tools would then not have to include 'database 
management'  (although I realize that's a 'sunk cost for CA1) - saving some 
development cost for vendors and customers could manage the databases with 
familiar tools.

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Looks like we moved to RMM around 2002, about 15 years ago. I was not the CA1 
guy, but I'm guessing we moved shortly before the data base redesign. Unless I 
missed that event. 

Also I've been urging the use of CA Reclaim on all systems, but it has not yet 
reached RMM on production. Our bad.


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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:55:15 -0400, Russell Witt <res09...@verizon.net> wrote:

>And of course using modern CA 1 you NEVER have to shutdown CA 1. You can move 
>the database, add or remove ranges even do an in-depth analysis - no shutdown 
>ever. In fact, you can even upgrade 1 release at a time without having to stop 
>tape processing. Why would you EVER want to have a tape management system that 
>requires you to stop tape processing - ever? 
>
>
>And Skip, we haven't been one record per block for about 15 years now.
>
>
>Russell Witt
>CA 1
>

Continuous operations is more an more important.   Stopping tape processing 
across a 
sysplex is a nightmare. It really means stopping all batch because even with 
job class standards there is no guarantee tape jobs won't run if you stop a 
"tape job class". And not all the sysplexes I support have job class standards 
based on tape usage and certainly with virtual tape no one has really paid 
attention to violating those standards in years
anyway.   I have a hard enough time scheduling rolling IPLs which don't affect 
most 
applications, but some batch is affected thanks to priceplex-ing and not having 
all software available on all LPARs.  But at least that is controllable with 
SCHENV.  When my team does need to schedule a change that requires "stopping 
all batch" for whatever reason, there is always a huge push back from my 
client.  

I didn't like the Datacom implementation forced for some CA products years ago, 
but it did allow for continuous operations or significantly less disruption for 
maintenance to product files / databases.  I'm glad CA-1 did it all without 
Datacom.  :-)


Best Regards,

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:55:15 -0400, Russell Witt  wrote:

>And of course using modern CA 1 you NEVER have to shutdown CA 1. You can move 
>the database, add or remove ranges even do an in-depth analysis - no shutdown 
>ever. In fact, you can even upgrade 1 release at a time without having to stop 
>tape processing. Why would you EVER want to have a tape management system that 
>requires you to stop tape processing - ever? 
>
>
>And Skip, we haven't been one record per block for about 15 years now.
>
>
>Russell Witt
>CA 1
>

Continuous operations is more an more important.   Stopping tape processing 
across a 
sysplex is a nightmare. It really means stopping all batch because even with 
job class 
standards there is no guarantee tape jobs won't run if you stop a "tape job 
class". And
not all the sysplexes I support have job class standards based on tape usage 
and certainly
with virtual tape no one has really paid attention to violating those standards 
in years
anyway.   I have a hard enough time scheduling rolling IPLs which don't affect 
most 
applications, but some batch is affected thanks to priceplex-ing and not having 
all software
available on all LPARs.  But at least that is controllable with SCHENV.  When 
my team 
does need to schedule a change that requires "stopping all batch" for whatever 
reason,
there is always a huge push back from my client.  

I didn't like the Datacom implementation forced for some CA products years ago, 
but it 
did allow for continuous operations or significantly less disruption for 
maintenance
to product files / databases.  I'm glad CA-1 did it all without Datacom.  :-)


Best Regards,

Mark
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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Russell Witt]

And of course using modern CA 1 you NEVER have to shutdown CA 1. You can move 
the database, add or remove ranges even do an in-depth analysis - no shutdown 
ever. In fact, you can even upgrade 1 release at a time without having to stop 
tape processing. Why would you EVER want to have a tape management system that 
requires you to stop tape processing - ever? 


And Skip, we haven't been one record per block for about 15 years now.


Russell Witt
CA 1




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From: Allan Staller <allan.stal...@hcl.com>
To: IBM-MAIN <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>
Sent: Wed, Oct 25, 2017 11:57 am
Subject: Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

Re: VSAM.   CA-Reclaim works wonders. RMM has no issues w/CA-reclaim.
I highly recommend it.

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Of Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

As mentioned in another post, some long-standing practices of CA1 customers 
could originally be accommodated in RMM only via exits. Business SOP here 
depended on these practices, so we had to write some code. Over the years some 
of these oddball practices were 'normalized' as parm keywords replacing exits. 
Just be careful that RMM fits your CA1 usage or can be adjusted via keyword or 
exit code. 

Another difference is the nature of the data base. CA1 uses (at least used to) 
an FB data base with one record per block, essentially one block per defined 
tape. The size never changed except under user control. Maybe a bit PITA but no 
surprises. RMM uses VSAM that can run out of space and require compress. This 
is *always* a surprise unless you regularly keep an eye on it. Compressing the 
RMM data base is not rocket surgery but requires stopping RMM on all sharing 
systems until you're done. Definitely PITA. 

.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:22 AM
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Subject: (External):Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

Found the page describing the book:

https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fdocview.wss%3Fuid%3Dpub1sg24624100=01%7C01%7Callan.staller%40hcl.com%7C5ae5382339fd4e432e9508d51bc896ee%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C1=XzsEiQc1lD2JCxi1NFMyT%2BFWCDNnezwtxRSGFW643XQ%3D=0

But if you go try to download it,  it has gone 404, like so much of IBM

We did this conversion many years ago at a site and it was a non-event.

Dana

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell <todd_burr...@csx.com> wrote:

>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
>this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>Thanks
>


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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Allan Staller]

Re: VSAM.   CA-Reclaim works wonders. RMM has no issues w/CA-reclaim.
I highly recommend it.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 11:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

As mentioned in another post, some long-standing practices of CA1 customers 
could originally be accommodated in RMM only via exits. Business SOP here 
depended on these practices, so we had to write some code. Over the years some 
of these oddball practices were 'normalized' as parm keywords replacing exits. 
Just be careful that RMM fits your CA1 usage or can be adjusted via keyword or 
exit code. 

Another difference is the nature of the data base. CA1 uses (at least used to) 
an FB data base with one record per block, essentially one block per defined 
tape. The size never changed except under user control. Maybe a bit PITA but no 
surprises. RMM uses VSAM that can run out of space and require compress. This 
is *always* a surprise unless you regularly keep an eye on it. Compressing the 
RMM data base is not rocket surgery but requires stopping RMM on all sharing 
systems until you're done. Definitely PITA. 

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Dana Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

Found the page describing the book:

https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fdocview.wss%3Fuid%3Dpub1sg24624100=01%7C01%7Callan.staller%40hcl.com%7C5ae5382339fd4e432e9508d51bc896ee%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C1=XzsEiQc1lD2JCxi1NFMyT%2BFWCDNnezwtxRSGFW643XQ%3D=0

But if you go try to download it,  it has gone 404, like so much of IBM

We did this conversion many years ago at a site and it was a non-event.

Dana

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell <todd_burr...@csx.com> wrote:

>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
>this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>Thanks
>


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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

As mentioned in another post, some long-standing practices of CA1 customers 
could originally be accommodated in RMM only via exits. Business SOP here 
depended on these practices, so we had to write some code. Over the years some 
of these oddball practices were 'normalized' as parm keywords replacing exits. 
Just be careful that RMM fits your CA1 usage or can be adjusted via keyword or 
exit code. 

Another difference is the nature of the data base. CA1 uses (at least used to) 
an FB data base with one record per block, essentially one block per defined 
tape. The size never changed except under user control. Maybe a bit PITA but no 
surprises. RMM uses VSAM that can run out of space and require compress. This 
is *always* a surprise unless you regularly keep an eye on it. Compressing the 
RMM data base is not rocket surgery but requires stopping RMM on all sharing 
systems until you're done. Definitely PITA. 

.
.
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Southern California Edison Company
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Dana Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 9:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

Found the page describing the book:

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1sg24624100

But if you go try to download it,  it has gone 404, like so much of IBM

We did this conversion many years ago at a site and it was a non-event.

Dana

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell <todd_burr...@csx.com> wrote:

>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
>this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>Thanks
>


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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Dana Mitchell]

Found the page describing the book:

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=pub1sg24624100

But if you go try to download it,  it has gone 404, like so much of IBM

We did this conversion many years ago at a site and it was a non-event.

Dana

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell  wrote:

>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
>this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>Thanks
>

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Steve Beaver]

Tony

I have the books and the utility programs to do the conversions

steve

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I find it interesting how much people want to charge for books IBM gave away 
for free.

Tony Thigpen

Norbert Friemel wrote on 10/25/2017 09:08 AM:
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell wrote:
>
>> We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>> looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>> was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help 
>> with this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find 
>> it.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks
>>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/0738498653
>
> Norbert Friemel
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[Tony Thigpen]

I find it interesting how much people want to charge for books IBM gave 
away for free.


Tony Thigpen

Norbert Friemel wrote on 10/25/2017 09:08 AM:

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell wrote:


We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've looked 
back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I was going 
to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with this?  I 
thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks



https://www.amazon.com/dp/0738498653

Norbert Friemel

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Allan Staller]

IBM, others offer conversion services.
ISTR The most difficult thing in my last conversion were some installation 
unique practices that had to be coded into an exit.

HTH,

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We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've looked 
back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I was going 
to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with this?  I 
thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks 

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

[Binyamin Dissen]

One would think that IBM would be eager to provide help.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500 Todd Burrell  wrote:

:>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I was 
going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
:>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 

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Re: CA1 to RMM conversion

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On Wed, 25 Oct 2017 06:39:15 -0500, Todd Burrell wrote:

>We're investigating what it would take to convert from CA1 to RMM.  I've 
>looked back through the archives and most of what I see is very dated, so I 
>was going to see if anyone has any documentation they can send me to help with 
>this?  I thought there used to be a Redbook for this, but I cannot find it.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
>Thanks
>

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0738498653

Norbert Friemel

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