Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[R.S.]

W dniu 2016-05-03 o 21:06, Itschak Mugzach pisze:

I agree with John. This is a management decision and it will be done with
you or with any other consultant. so, shouldn't it be you?

It depends.
There are activities which are 100% legal, but your conscience have 
objections. I'd prefer to not be an executioner if possible. Of course 
there's another approach: what will my family eat tomorrow?

Last, but not least, sometimes you don't know a priori how the things are.

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Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[Itschak Mugzach]

I agree with John. This is a management decision and it will be done with
you or with any other consultant. so, shouldn't it be you?

ITschak

ITschak Mugzach
Z/OS, ISV Products and Application Security & Risk Assessments Professional

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 8:52 PM, John Mattson 
wrote:

> Much like any job you take, so much depends on the corporate culture,
> personalities, as well as the situation.  I am working happily in a
> decommissioning situation where their interests and mine match very well.
> Were I to give advice to someone entering such a job, I would say insist on
> knowing who you will be working with, their "fate", and that they be
> included in the interview, or you at least meet them before committing.  It
> is a reasonable request.   As to their resenting you, that is illogical, as
> Spock would say.  I have been displaced myself, but I did not blame the
> workers who were just trying to have jobs themselves.  Blame, if any, goes
> on management, not you.  I suspect this was a very unhappy shop before any
> of this happened.
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Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[John Mattson]

Much like any job you take, so much depends on the corporate culture,
personalities, as well as the situation.  I am working happily in a
decommissioning situation where their interests and mine match very well.
Were I to give advice to someone entering such a job, I would say insist on
knowing who you will be working with, their "fate", and that they be
included in the interview, or you at least meet them before committing.  It
is a reasonable request.   As to their resenting you, that is illogical, as
Spock would say.  I have been displaced myself, but I did not blame the
workers who were just trying to have jobs themselves.  Blame, if any, goes
on management, not you.  I suspect this was a very unhappy shop before any
of this happened.

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Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[Roach, Dennis]

What I have generally found on transition projects is that people can be on any 
point of the spectrum. Enter one of these projects with your eyes open.

Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP
IAM Access Administration – Consumer – Senior Analyst 
2929 Allen Parkway, America Building, 3rd Floor, Houston, TX 77019
Work:  713-831-8799
Cell:  713-591-1059
Email:  dennis.ro...@aig.com 

All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any 
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moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the 
beginning of time.


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Pinnacle
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 9:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

On 5/2/2016 10:28 AM, Roach, Dennis wrote:
> It can go both ways. I did a decommission gig where my job was to keep an 
> unsupported z/OS 1.7 system up and running, assist with transition, and 
> provide reporting of what was still running. The main reason I was brought in 
> was to allow the existing staff to transition to new positions within the 
> company. There was no animosity.
>
> Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP
> IAM Access Administration – Consumer – Senior Analyst
> 2929 Allen Parkway, America Building, 3rd Floor, Houston, TX 77019
> Work:  713-831-8799
> Cell:  713-591-1059
> Email:  dennis.ro...@aig.com
>
> All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or 
> any person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other 
> planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, 
> since the beginning of time.
>

Dennis,

I'm glad it worked out for you.  The key there is that no one was losing their 
job.  In my case, dozens of people were leaving, relocating, or hanging on for 
dear life.  I was the enemy from the day I walked in the door.

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[Pinnacle]

On 5/2/2016 10:28 AM, Roach, Dennis wrote:

It can go both ways. I did a decommission gig where my job was to keep an 
unsupported z/OS 1.7 system up and running, assist with transition, and provide 
reporting of what was still running. The main reason I was brought in was to 
allow the existing staff to transition to new positions within the company. 
There was no animosity.

Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP
IAM Access Administration – Consumer – Senior Analyst
2929 Allen Parkway, America Building, 3rd Floor, Houston, TX 77019
Work:  713-831-8799
Cell:  713-591-1059
Email:  dennis.ro...@aig.com

All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any 
person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, 
moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the 
beginning of time.



Dennis,

I'm glad it worked out for you.  The key there is that no one was losing 
their job.  In my case, dozens of people were leaving, relocating, or 
hanging on for dear life.  I was the enemy from the day I walked in the 
door.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

[Roach, Dennis]

It can go both ways. I did a decommission gig where my job was to keep an 
unsupported z/OS 1.7 system up and running, assist with transition, and provide 
reporting of what was still running. The main reason I was brought in was to 
allow the existing staff to transition to new positions within the company. 
There was no animosity. 

Dennis Roach, CISSP, PMP
IAM Access Administration – Consumer – Senior Analyst 
2929 Allen Parkway, America Building, 3rd Floor, Houston, TX 77019
Work:  713-831-8799
Cell:  713-591-1059
Email:  dennis.ro...@aig.com 

All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any 
person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, 
moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the 
beginning of time.

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Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 9:20 AM
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Subject: Helpful tip for z/OS consultants

FYI,

I got the following job description in my Email today (heavily edited to 
protect the guilty):

Description

Looking for z/OS Sysprog to assist in Mainframe decommission The Sysprog will 
work with management, applications, and systems areas to complete decommission


This is a contract you should avoid at all costs.  I once worked a 
datacenter migration in the "from" city. The people there hated my guts 
and it was the worst contract I ever worked.  Don't ever take a contract 
where people are losing jobs and you're seen as someone facilitating it.

Regards,
Tom Conley

  


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