Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
I don’t disagree with using a package manager either. I embrace such in my personal linux environments, where internet access is assumed. However, MF space has been traditionally air-gapped so it just adds another layer of complexity. Our installation happens to use Zscaler as our proxy product, and it dynamically creates certs in the communications stream, which causes all kinds of problems in the MF space coding a http_proxy. To setup a new package manager for z/OS environment for one package is overkill. Especially, since I have already burned more than a day trying to get it working. The defacto package manager for z/OS is SMPE, that is what I embrace at every chance. As for who we get support from, this all started because we license ADF/z (Application Development Foundation) that has GIT/DBB along with File manager, DEBUG, Fault Analyzer, APA, and IDZ packaged as a series of SMPE FMID’s, and is orderable as part of a PDO, or Serverpac.It just made sense to buy the S from IBM in that case. We have a relationship with Rocket for other products like Mainstar, HSM reporter, Bluezone, etc. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Seymour J Metz Date: Monday, November 6, 2023 at 6:55 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations Speaking as one who's been a systems programmer on multiple platforms, installing via a package manager seems simpler than installing via, e. g. , a tarbal, zip filel. The only complexity that I see is installing an additional package manager. Speaking as one who's been a systems programmer on multiple platforms, installing via a package manager seems simpler than installing via, e.g., a tarbal, zip filel. The only complexity that I see is installing an additional package manager. I use ArcaOS and openSUSE at home, and ANPM and Yast are far more convenient than working from archives. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nKw2Q_nZJULzrJ_tuJayNPhavuj9X-vPKdWbHtISI-iAxar4rZJNPWs83CGlohsSe3UQKlrzXvB06gkO$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mason.gmu.edu/*smetz3__;fg!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nKw2Q_nZJULzrJ_tuJayNPhavuj9X-vPKdWbHtISI-iAxar4rZJNPWs83CGlohsSe3UQKlrzXvB06gkO$> עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 8:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations Rocket made the decision to remove the cURL CLI following a request from the sales team aimed at reducing runtime dependencies. It's important to note that Dave may gain access to Rocket Open AppDev for Z if he possesses commercial support from IBM. To the best of my knowledge, IBM offers enterprise support for Git to DBB customers. Nevertheless, some customers prefer to exclusively engage with IBM for a single point of contact. Rocket has bundled a range of ported tools into Rocket Open AppDev for Z, which can be found at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.rocketsoftware.com/products/rocket-open-source/rocket-open-appdev-z__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nKw2Q_nZJULzrJ_tuJayNPhavuj9X-vPKdWbHtISI-iAxar4rZJNPWs83CGlohsSe3UQKlrzXuPV4erB$<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.rocketsoftware.com/products/rocket-open-source/rocket-open-appdev-z__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nKw2Q_nZJULzrJ_tuJayNPhavuj9X-vPKdWbHtISI-iAxar4rZJNPWs83CGlohsSe3UQKlrzXuPV4erB$>. This solution not only provides enterprise support but also offers the flexibility to choose between public, private, or on-premises conda channels or SMP/E. For on-premises usage, you have the option to utilize Artifactory, SonaType Nexus, or similar repository management systems. Regarding conda, it offers more than just package management; it also excels at effectively managing environments. Although our current internal baseline environment remains stable and receives periodic updates, there are instances where the need arises to employ different package versions. For example, while our baseline Python version is Python 3.9, I often work on projects that depend on Python 3.11.4 (zIIP). Conda simplifies the process of switching between various software versions using "conda env activate," offering a considerable efficiency advantage over dealing with environment files. Conda also supports multiple languages and environments, making it a versatile tool that can replace the likes of pip, npm, luarocks, and more. For those managing an on-prem channel, which should be of interest to mainframe sites, conda may be the optimal solution. You can find more information about conda at https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nKw2Q_nZJULzrJ_tuJayNPhavuj9X-vPKdWbHtISI-iAxar4rZJNPWs83CGlohsSe3UQKlrzXvpFHbFr$<https://urldefense.com/
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Speaking as one who's been a systems programmer on multiple platforms, installing via a package manager seems simpler than installing via, e.g., a tarbal, zip filel. The only complexity that I see is installing an additional package manager. I use ArcaOS and openSUSE at home, and ANPM and Yast are far more convenient than working from archives. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 8:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations Rocket made the decision to remove the cURL CLI following a request from the sales team aimed at reducing runtime dependencies. It's important to note that Dave may gain access to Rocket Open AppDev for Z if he possesses commercial support from IBM. To the best of my knowledge, IBM offers enterprise support for Git to DBB customers. Nevertheless, some customers prefer to exclusively engage with IBM for a single point of contact. Rocket has bundled a range of ported tools into Rocket Open AppDev for Z, which can be found at https://www.rocketsoftware.com/products/rocket-open-source/rocket-open-appdev-z. This solution not only provides enterprise support but also offers the flexibility to choose between public, private, or on-premises conda channels or SMP/E. For on-premises usage, you have the option to utilize Artifactory, SonaType Nexus, or similar repository management systems. Regarding conda, it offers more than just package management; it also excels at effectively managing environments. Although our current internal baseline environment remains stable and receives periodic updates, there are instances where the need arises to employ different package versions. For example, while our baseline Python version is Python 3.9, I often work on projects that depend on Python 3.11.4 (zIIP). Conda simplifies the process of switching between various software versions using "conda env activate," offering a considerable efficiency advantage over dealing with environment files. Conda also supports multiple languages and environments, making it a versatile tool that can replace the likes of pip, npm, luarocks, and more. For those managing an on-prem channel, which should be of interest to mainframe sites, conda may be the optimal solution. You can find more information about conda at https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/. It's worth mentioning that the introduction of a package manager for installing ported tools hasn't been well-received by traditional sysprogs who prefer the simplicity of downloading a tarball. On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 12:25 AM Kirk Wolf wrote: > IBM removed cURL with a PTF? Wow. > > It sounds like you found a solution - going to the anaconda site that > Rocket's miniconda uses and grabbing manually. > > I do understand why Rocket would want to use anaconda/miniconda, since it > handles things like dependencies and other actions needed for > installation. They also want to distinguish their support vs free so it's > understandable why they leave things out. > > Do you have an option of using a sandbox LPAR that *is* on the internet to > manage Rocket packages and updates? Then you could backup the filesystem > and move it to your air gapped systems. > > Kirk Wolf > Dovetailed Technologies > http:// > <http://secure-web.cisco.com/1Id-Qp2TEtetcpfLEhMZXip75BppuJVzAUWJwzcdSz8ngBRG3YYDWNLxGvwkErJWCtcgibj0zSH7FVkr7f7N0hhSt3tAzuazpVHgtc1FkvFjuyOj1aOmGc3Wu5BzzUoJI1pnFeWW52qvwauFPgosqqxmUU6jWnuvb25h_PjWJQ3zLX_FLsME8fR8SpPVMvD4eR9sFEB8tsaiiNhwjmegSsFXOqk_EF_KGUCuR7JYGlVP25pmddin99OcLd9_gFqMahs1MVvXS1Imb0LcATMnoECC4b_wbi4y1lpYc-7c3Aapf0L10I0l2QORnGF-gwyoTe97jXknyo3_gAyulXZFJ0yA0FrqkqHmJNu2G2AmV5VS6iava6oIigaaI5v4CFPSzJWXMn_MemamW4-m9-WPX0rH97d4Imk5mR4CxhB1RkyQ/http%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com>coztoolkit.com > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Jousma, David wrote: > > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is > actually rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged > with GIT client but was removed with IBM ptf. > > > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the > cURL tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our > Jenkins pipeline needs it. > > > > Dave Jousma > > > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > > > > 616.653.8429 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of David Crayford > > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > >
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Rocket made the decision to remove the cURL CLI following a request from the sales team aimed at reducing runtime dependencies. It's important to note that Dave may gain access to Rocket Open AppDev for Z if he possesses commercial support from IBM. To the best of my knowledge, IBM offers enterprise support for Git to DBB customers. Nevertheless, some customers prefer to exclusively engage with IBM for a single point of contact. Rocket has bundled a range of ported tools into Rocket Open AppDev for Z, which can be found at https://www.rocketsoftware.com/products/rocket-open-source/rocket-open-appdev-z. This solution not only provides enterprise support but also offers the flexibility to choose between public, private, or on-premises conda channels or SMP/E. For on-premises usage, you have the option to utilize Artifactory, SonaType Nexus, or similar repository management systems. Regarding conda, it offers more than just package management; it also excels at effectively managing environments. Although our current internal baseline environment remains stable and receives periodic updates, there are instances where the need arises to employ different package versions. For example, while our baseline Python version is Python 3.9, I often work on projects that depend on Python 3.11.4 (zIIP). Conda simplifies the process of switching between various software versions using "conda env activate," offering a considerable efficiency advantage over dealing with environment files. Conda also supports multiple languages and environments, making it a versatile tool that can replace the likes of pip, npm, luarocks, and more. For those managing an on-prem channel, which should be of interest to mainframe sites, conda may be the optimal solution. You can find more information about conda at https://docs.conda.io/en/latest/. It's worth mentioning that the introduction of a package manager for installing ported tools hasn't been well-received by traditional sysprogs who prefer the simplicity of downloading a tarball. On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 12:25 AM Kirk Wolf wrote: > IBM removed cURL with a PTF? Wow. > > It sounds like you found a solution - going to the anaconda site that > Rocket's miniconda uses and grabbing manually. > > I do understand why Rocket would want to use anaconda/miniconda, since it > handles things like dependencies and other actions needed for > installation. They also want to distinguish their support vs free so it's > understandable why they leave things out. > > Do you have an option of using a sandbox LPAR that *is* on the internet to > manage Rocket packages and updates? Then you could backup the filesystem > and move it to your air gapped systems. > > Kirk Wolf > Dovetailed Technologies > http:// <http://dovetail.com>coztoolkit.com > > On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Jousma, David wrote: > > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is > actually rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged > with GIT client but was removed with IBM ptf. > > > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the > cURL tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our > Jenkins pipeline needs it. > > > > Dave Jousma > > > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand > Rapids, MI 49546 > > > > 616.653.8429 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of David Crayford > > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 > Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still > need the internet .. . >> > > > > > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin < > 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes. But you still need the internet ... > > >> > > > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > > > > A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use > package managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package > to document installation methods on air-gapped systems > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Doubt IBM did.IBM just packages in smpe what rocket gives them, I assume. Search service link for git you will find the ptf Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Kirk Wolf Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2023 11:24:22 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations IBM removed cURL with a PTF? Wow. It sounds like you found a solution - going to the anaconda site that Rocket's miniconda uses and grabbing manually. I do understand why Rocket would want to use anaconda/miniconda, since it handles things IBM removed cURL with a PTF? Wow. It sounds like you found a solution - going to the anaconda site that Rocket's miniconda uses and grabbing manually. I do understand why Rocket would want to use anaconda/miniconda, since it handles things like dependencies and other actions needed for installation. They also want to distinguish their support vs free so it's understandable why they leave things out. Do you have an option of using a sandbox LPAR that *is* on the internet to manage Rocket packages and updates? Then you could backup the filesystem and move it to your air gapped systems. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http:// <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://dovetail.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!hLHHFCnsvtvDo_pQ98GTzqjv2a7bLS2RTKnwG5XsNB3eCUMf07F6RWJ1aIKpsExJB-ROLsc9kUYdjgjm$>coztoolkit.com On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Jousma, David wrote: > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is actually > rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged with GIT > client but was removed with IBM ptf. > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the cURL > tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our Jenkins > pipeline needs it. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 > > Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still > > need the internet .. . >> > > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > >> > >> Yes. But you still need the internet ... > >> > > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > > A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package > managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to > document installation methods on air-gapped systems > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c-J1hWzEQQaXiHBinMK7zqEFHNnMuAhcKDi1m24hwsjs$. > > Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an > off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with > commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most > customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have > commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only > require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as > nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > > > > > -- > > gil > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
IBM removed cURL with a PTF? Wow. It sounds like you found a solution - going to the anaconda site that Rocket's miniconda uses and grabbing manually. I do understand why Rocket would want to use anaconda/miniconda, since it handles things like dependencies and other actions needed for installation. They also want to distinguish their support vs free so it's understandable why they leave things out. Do you have an option of using a sandbox LPAR that *is* on the internet to manage Rocket packages and updates? Then you could backup the filesystem and move it to your air gapped systems. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http:// <http://dovetail.com>coztoolkit.com On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Jousma, David wrote: > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is actually > rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged with GIT > client but was removed with IBM ptf. > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the cURL > tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our Jenkins > pipeline needs it. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 > > Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still > > need the internet .. . >> > > > > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > >> > >> Yes. But you still need the internet ... > >> > > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > > A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package > managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to > document installation methods on air-gapped systems > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c-J1hWzEQQaXiHBinMK7zqEFHNnMuAhcKDi1m24hwsjs$. > > Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an > off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with > commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most > customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have > commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only > require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as > nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > > > > > -- > > gil > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please > reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was > misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your > assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 23:44:09 +, Jousma, David wrote: > >>> Yes. But you still need the internet ... >>> >> What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > >A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems ... > Acoustical coupler! -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 4 Nov 2023, at 7:44 am, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is actually > rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged with GIT > client but was removed with IBM ptf. cURL is a pre-req for Git. IMO, this is a PE. I’ve asked the question at Rocket but I think you should open a case with IBM. > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the cURL > tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our Jenkins > pipeline needs it. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ >> LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David >> Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still need the internet .. . >> > > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin >> <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >>> >>> Yes. But you still need the internet ... >>> >> What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > > A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package > managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to > document installation methods on air-gapped systems > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c-J1hWzEQQaXiHBinMK7zqEFHNnMuAhcKDi1m24hwsjs$. > > Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an > off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with > commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most > customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have > commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only > require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as > nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > >> >> -- >> gil >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please > reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was > misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your > assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Thanks for the feedback Dave (and RS). I wish Rocket still had download links to the tarballs, or even better, pax files. I find this particularly useful when downloading new versions of Python from IBM, albeit once I’ve had to go through a couple of web forms to eventually get the link URL so I can curl it down. I’ll feed it back to the PT team. > On 4 Nov 2023, at 7:44 am, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is actually > rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged with GIT > client but was removed with IBM ptf. > > I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the cURL > tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our Jenkins > pipeline needs it. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ >> LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David >> Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still need the internet .. . >> > > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin >> <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >>> >>> Yes. But you still need the internet ... >>> >> What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? > > A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package > managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to > document installation methods on air-gapped systems > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c-J1hWzEQQaXiHBinMK7zqEFHNnMuAhcKDi1m24hwsjs$. > > Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an > off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with > commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most > customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have > commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only > require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as > nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > >> >> -- >> gil >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please > reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was > misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your > assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
We do pay for GIT client support through IBM, which I realize is actually rocket support behind the scenes.cURL used to come packaged with GIT client but was removed with IBM ptf. I was able to just go to the public anaconda website, and download the cURL tarball, upload it, and expand it and clone it where needed. Our Jenkins pipeline needs it. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 7:01:11 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10: 32 pm, Paul Gilmartin <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-request@ > LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19: 42: 15 +0800, David > Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still need the internet .. . >> > On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still need the internet ... >> > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to document installation methods on air-gapped systems https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!nVlHVMjwgMI8doNcGXgOJIwnci0yoWLQREmOo_7c-J1hWzEQQaXiHBinMK7zqEFHNnMuAhcKDi1m24hwsjs$. Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > > -- > gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 3 Nov 2023, at 10:32 pm, Paul Gilmartin > <042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: >> >> Yes. But you still need the internet ... >> > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? A lot of customers air-gap their mainframe systems so you can’t use package managers. Colin Paice opened an issue for my pyzfile Python package to document installation methods on air-gapped systems https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/discussion/reading-an-mvs-dataset-using-z-open-automation-utility. Dave Jousma seems to have found a solution to his problem. Rocket provide an off-line channel for ported tools but it’s only available to customers with commercial support, in which case you have the choice of SMP/E. Most customers that are using ported tools for critical work, such as Git, have commercial support. Z/OS Open Tools is a great alternative if you only require free tools. They have ported tools not available from Rocket, such as nano, which most ISPF users will find easier to use then vim. > > -- > gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
On Fri, 3 Nov 2023 19:42:15 +0800, David Crayford wrote: > >Yes. But you still need the internet ... > What's the alternative? Railway Express? Dialup modem? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
RS, “2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax instead of miniconda.” Thanks for the pointer, that worked perfectly. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Radoslaw Skorupka <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Date: Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 4:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations BTDT There are two way to circumvent the problem: 1. Use Miniconda with offline packages. Yes, you can download the packages manually on you PC then upload it to z/OS Unix. 2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax BTDT There are two way to circumvent the problem: 1. Use Miniconda with offline packages. Yes, you can download the packages manually on you PC then upload it to z/OS Unix. 2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax instead of miniconda. My personal opinion: the mess is yet another way to convince user to buy support. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 02.11.2023 o 18:53, Jousma, David pisze: > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We > are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to > work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda > uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 3 Nov 2023, at 7:05 pm, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > With the z/OS Open Tools you don't need to use zopen, or any front-end, to > install any of their ports. > > For example, here is a direct link to the curl port > https://github.com/ZOSOpenTools/curlport > Yes. But you still need the internet and access to Github. Customers that are air-gapped don’t have that acces. To me it’s as broad as it’s long. I appreciate that you like zopen but to me it’s no match for a real package manager like conda which can supports virtual environments. Easier doe not mean better. > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you > are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Jousma, David > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 5:30 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > I find having to have an entire front-end to install something that can just > be expanded with a tar or pax command way overkill. > > > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > David Crayford > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:21:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1: 59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >>>> You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. >> com/v3/__https: //zosopentools. github. >> io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZ >> o3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: >> >> You can get another port of curl from >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;I >> w!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-Y >> cuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ >> and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. > > If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems > occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? > > I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly > nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but > I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile > scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the > z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only > shell scripts. > >> >> We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/8803224716083 >> 44597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf3e-1v2I$ >> and you're welcome to join us. >> >> >> Lionel B. Dyck <>< >> Website: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b >> 6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqb >> EMfgyiqFe5WlfHGqYwrU$ >> Github: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6w >> hF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEM >> fgyiqFe5Wlfg7_GH4U$ >> >> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you >> are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >> Behalf Of Jousma, David >> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations >> >> All, >> >> I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I >> downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. >> We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to >> get that to work. >> >> Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that >> miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? >> >> Dave Jousma >> >> >> >> This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may >> be privileged.
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
With the z/OS Open Tools you don't need to use zopen, or any front-end, to install any of their ports. For example, here is a direct link to the curl port https://github.com/ZOSOpenTools/curlport Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 5:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations I find having to have an entire front-end to install something that can just be expanded with a tar or pax command way overkill. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:21:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > On 3 Nov 2023, at 1: 59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > > You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. > com/v3/__https: //zosopentools. github. > io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZ > o3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > You can get another port of curl from > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;I > w!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-Y > cuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only shell scripts. > > We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/8803224716083 > 44597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf3e-1v2I$ > and you're welcome to join us. > > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > Website: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b > 6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqb > EMfgyiqFe5WlfHGqYwrU$ > Github: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6w > hF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEM > fgyiqFe5Wlfg7_GH4U$ > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you > are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jousma, David > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. > We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to > get that to work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that > miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or > disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, > any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by > informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, > please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this > error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email t
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Thanks David. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:38:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > On 3 Nov 2023, at 6: 30 am, Jousma, David <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-request@ > LISTSERV. UA. EDU> wrote: > > I find having to have an entire front-end to > install something that can just be expanded with a tar or pax command way > overkill. > On 3 Nov 2023, at 6:30 am, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I find having to have an entire front-end to install something that can just > be expanded with a tar or pax command way overkill. > > Do you? I find installing Python packages much easier using pip then downloading a tarball. The first software I installed when I moved to a Mac was homebrew. Even Windows has winget and third part package managers like Chocolatey etc. I agree that for some customers the latter may be more convenient. But z/OS open tools has a front end too, zopen. I noticed that you have posted in the Rocket forum which is the right place to ask. I suggest waiting until CVE-2023-38545 is patched. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> on behalf of David Crayford > mailto:dcrayf...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:21:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1: 59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > >> You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. com/v3/__https: >> //zosopentools. github. >> io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck > <mailto:lbd...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> You can get another port of curl from >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ >>and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. > > If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems > occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? > > I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly > nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but > I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile > scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the > z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only > shell scripts. > >> >> We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf3e-1v2I$and >> you're welcome to join us. >> >> >> Lionel B. Dyck <>< >> Website: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5WlfHGqYwrU$ >>Github: >>https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlfg7_GH4U$ >> >> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you >> are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Jousma, David >> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations >> >> All, >> >> I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I >> downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. >> We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get >> that to work. >> >> Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda >> uses, and do a dis
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 3 Nov 2023, at 6:30 am, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I find having to have an entire front-end to install something that can just > be expanded with a tar or pax command way overkill. > > Do you? I find installing Python packages much easier using pip then downloading a tarball. The first software I installed when I moved to a Mac was homebrew. Even Windows has winget and third part package managers like Chocolatey etc. I agree that for some customers the latter may be more convenient. But z/OS open tools has a front end too, zopen. I noticed that you have posted in the Rocket forum which is the right place to ask. I suggest waiting until CVE-2023-38545 is patched. > > Dave Jousma > > Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering > > > Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, > MI 49546 > > 616.653.8429 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> on behalf of David Crayford > mailto:dcrayf...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:21:52 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU>> > Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1: 59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > >> You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. com/v3/__https: >> //zosopentools. github. >> io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > > >> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck > <mailto:lbd...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> You can get another port of curl from >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ >> and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. > > If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems > occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? > > I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly > nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but > I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile > scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the > z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only > shell scripts. > >> >> We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf3e-1v2I$ >> and >> you're welcome to join us. >> >> >> Lionel B. Dyck <>< >> Website: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5WlfHGqYwrU$ >> Github: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlfg7_GH4U$ >> >> “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you >> are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> Jousma, David >> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations >> >> All, >> >> I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I >> downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. >> We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get >> that to work. >> >> Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda >> uses, and do a disconnected install? >> >> Dave Jousma >> >> >> >> This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may >> be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If >> you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it >> in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, >> copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is >> prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender >> that the message was misdirected. After replyin
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
I find having to have an entire front-end to install something that can just be expanded with a tar or pax command way overkill. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 6:21:52 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations > On 3 Nov 2023, at 1: 59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > > You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. com/v3/__https: > //zosopentools. github. > io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > You can get another port of curl from > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf2nWnRsA$ > and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only shell scripts. > > We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlf3e-1v2I$ > and > you're welcome to join us. > > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > Website: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5WlfHGqYwrU$ > Github: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!k_US3TMoavpn0TTm6PL_t4rNIIj6tb_vQCrZo3Woa9SZfCu8-YcuyurtSKg-wqbEMfgyiqFe5Wlfg7_GH4U$ > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you > are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Jousma, David > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. > We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get > that to work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda > uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it > in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 3 Nov 2023, at 1:59 am, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: > > You can get another port of curl from https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/#/ > and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. If he’s got problems going through a proxy couldn't the same kind of problems occur using zopen and GitHub with Github tokens? I don’t find using zopen to be easier to use then conda. It’s certainly nowhere near as powerful, for example, virtual environments. I like zopen but I find having to source .env files a PITA and slow when configured in profile scripts. Using conda is just like using homebrew on my Mac. Hat’s off the z/OS Open Tools devs for getting something working well enough with only shell scripts. > > We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here > https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185 and > you're welcome to join us. > > > Lionel B. Dyck <>< > Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com > Github: https://github.com/lbdyck > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you > are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Jousma, David > Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations > > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. > We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get > that to work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda > uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may > be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If > you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it > in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, > copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is > prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender > that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your > computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
> On 3 Nov 2023, at 2:28 am, Matt Hogstrom wrote: > > I use the miniconda but haven’t had to deal with a proxy. > > That said, I’ll endorse Lionel’s recommendation. I’ve found that Rocket > doesn’t update the public channel (free) with the newest versions of the open > source tools. That’s interesting. It’s my understanding that the CI/CD pipeline pushed to the Miniconda envionment at the same time as the SMP/E parts are built. Do you have an example of when you have seen a mismatch? We had a public broadcast for LibCurl CVE-2023-38545. I expect the patched libcurl/curl packages to be available ASAP. > The open tools is probably a better choice as the community seems to be > going good work and is active. > > Matt Hogstrom > m...@hogstrom.org > > “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." > — Hogstrom > >> On Nov 2, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Jousma, David >> <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I >> downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. >> We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get >> that to work. >> >> Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda >> uses, and do a disconnected install? >> >> Dave Jousma >> >> >> >> This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may >> be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If >> you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it >> in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, >> copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is >> prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender >> that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your >> computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 at 17:39, Paul Gilmartin < 042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: [...] > >Regarding paths - it is customizable in very case. > > > Default? I'd expect /usr/lpp/com.rocketsoftware/* > (Let IANA handle the prefix registration!) > > ( Is that only an Apple convention? I believe I've see /usr/lpp/com.ibm) > I think the backwards domain e.g. com.ibm.blah thing is a Java convention that various other things have picked up. Quite a few years ago I had someone at a TDM agree with me that registration of a prefix with IBM reserved it for modules, messages, ENQ names, and a few other things, including the /usr/lpp directory. But later I noticed IBM using things like /usr/lpp/java and when I asked someone else at IBM was told that the first answer was incorrect, and that there is no registration for UNIX directories. I think your idea is a good one. The downside is that products get bought and sold, and companies change their names (in both cases trademarks may or may not follow), and the marketing people are clueless about the need to keep this kind of thing working. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 21:44:02 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > >AFAIR if you have support you can user regular SMP/E installation method. > As you suggest, they seem to be encouraging purchase of support. >Regarding paths - it is customizable in very case. > Default? I'd expect /usr/lpp/com.rocketsoftware/* (Let IANA handle the prefix registration!) ( Is that only an Apple convention? I believe I've see /usr/lpp/com.ibm) -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
W dniu 02.11.2023 o 21:41, Paul Gilmartin pisze: On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 21:12:47 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: BTDT There are two way to circumvent the problem: 1. Use Miniconda with offline packages. Yes, you can download the packages manually on you PC then upload it to z/OS Unix. 2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax instead of miniconda. What are the installation paths: o If support is purchased? o If support is not purchsed? I'd expect /usr/lpp/... But ... AFAIR if you have support you can user regular SMP/E installation method. Regarding paths - it is customizable in very case. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 21:12:47 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: >BTDT > >There are two way to circumvent the problem: >1. Use Miniconda with offline packages. Yes, you can download the >packages manually on you PC then upload it to z/OS Unix. >2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax instead >of miniconda. > What are the installation paths: o If support is purchased? o If support is not purchsed? I'd expect /usr/lpp/... But ... -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
BTDT There are two way to circumvent the problem: 1. Use Miniconda with offline packages. Yes, you can download the packages manually on you PC then upload it to z/OS Unix. 2. Quick & dirty: download the package as above and then use pax instead of miniconda. My personal opinion: the mess is yet another way to convince user to buy support. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 02.11.2023 o 18:53, Jousma, David pisze: All, I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to work. Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? Dave Jousma -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
Thanks Lionel, I'll take a peek. Not sure why Rocket went the miniconda route.How much simpler could it be to simply download the tar files for the needed tools, and expand them. Thats the way they used to distribute them. Dave Jousma Vice President | Director, Technology Engineering Fifth Third Bank | 1830 East Paris Ave, SE | MD RSCB2H | Grand Rapids, MI 49546 616.653.8429 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Lionel B. Dyck Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 1:59:36 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations You can get another port of curl from https: //urldefense. com/v3/__https: //zosopentools. github. io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!llR6t9-ZKapIdJNSb2ib_Sy-VudEr8Hqqn0KQcMijOeUrNVeyFywYL_NGA0irs5VLWom2wCgZSRrN_c$ and it is very simple - much easier You can get another port of curl from https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/*/__;Iw!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!llR6t9-ZKapIdJNSb2ib_Sy-VudEr8Hqqn0KQcMijOeUrNVeyFywYL_NGA0irs5VLWom2wCgZSRrN_c$ and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!llR6t9-ZKapIdJNSb2ib_Sy-VudEr8Hqqn0KQcMijOeUrNVeyFywYL_NGA0irs5VLWom2wCg7t2YXLE$ and you're welcome to join us. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!llR6t9-ZKapIdJNSb2ib_Sy-VudEr8Hqqn0KQcMijOeUrNVeyFywYL_NGA0irs5VLWom2wCgfV4QlXM$ Github: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!MwwqYLOC6b6whF7V!llR6t9-ZKapIdJNSb2ib_Sy-VudEr8Hqqn0KQcMijOeUrNVeyFywYL_NGA0irs5VLWom2wCgTXK0f8M$ “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations All, I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to work. Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? Dave Jousma This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
The alternative is to buy support from Rocket. The Devil is in the details, but for some shops that's the best choice. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Matt Hogstrom Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 2:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations I use the miniconda but haven’t had to deal with a proxy. That said, I’ll endorse Lionel’s recommendation. I’ve found that Rocket doesn’t update the public channel (free) with the newest versions of the open source tools. The open tools is probably a better choice as the community seems to be going good work and is active. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Nov 2, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We > are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to > work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda > uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please > reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was > misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your > assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
I use the miniconda but haven’t had to deal with a proxy. That said, I’ll endorse Lionel’s recommendation. I’ve found that Rocket doesn’t update the public channel (free) with the newest versions of the open source tools. The open tools is probably a better choice as the community seems to be going good work and is active. Matt Hogstrom m...@hogstrom.org “It may be cognitive, but, it ain’t intuitive." — Hogstrom > On Nov 2, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > All, > > I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I > downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We > are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to > work. > > Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda > uses, and do a disconnected install? > > Dave Jousma > > > > This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be > privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you > receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in > any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please > reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was > misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your > assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Rocket miniconda frustrations
You can get another port of curl from https://zosopentools.github.io/meta/#/ and it is very simple - much easier (imho) than using miniconda. We also discuss things related to the z/OS Open Tools here https://discord.com/channels/880322471608344597/1118254421202182185 and you're welcome to join us. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are. - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jousma, David Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Rocket miniconda frustrations All, I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to work. Does anyone know of a way to download the needed repository that miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? Dave Jousma This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Rocket miniconda frustrations
All, I have a simple need to make cURL available in my environment. I downloaded, and installed MiniConda from the Rocket open source webpage. We are behind a proxy, and am having all sorts of problems trying to get that to work. Does anyone know of a way to download the needed “repository” that miniconda uses, and do a disconnected install? Dave Jousma This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
