Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/29/2017 11:41 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:



   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
   November 9, 2017.

   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0

   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!


Love the use of "We" in the error description.  So IBM just installed and 
deployed
PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem.  :-)


Haha! They just took my PMR text verbatim as the APAR error description. 
It says it all!


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Mark Zelden]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:04:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe  
wrote:

>On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>>
>> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes
>> for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming
>> world...)
>
>   APAR Identifier .. IT23290  Last Changed  17/11/27
>   PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13
>
>
>   Symptom .. IN INCORROUT Status ... INTRAN
>   Severity ... 3  Date Closed .
>   Component .. 5639I7000  Duplicate of 
>   Reported Release . D00  Fixed Release 
>   Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG  Special Notice
>   Current Target Date ..  Flags
>   SCP ...
>   Platform 
>
>   Status Detail: Not Available
>
>   PE PTF List:
>
>   PTF List:
>
>
>   Parent APAR:
>   Child APAR list:
>
>
>   ERROR DESCRIPTION:
>   We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
>   November 9, 2017.
>
>   The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0
>
>   The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
>
>
>   LOCAL FIX:
>   None


Love the use of "We" in the error description.  So IBM just installed and 
deployed 
PCOMM 13.0 and found the problem.  :-)   

Regards,

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/22/2017 7:27 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes 
for an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming 
world...)


  APAR Identifier .. IT23290  Last Changed  17/11/27
  PCOM: 3270 DELETE KEY DOES NOT WORK WITH PCOM V13


  Symptom .. IN INCORROUT Status ... INTRAN
  Severity ... 3  Date Closed .
  Component .. 5639I7000  Duplicate of 
  Reported Release . D00  Fixed Release 
  Component Name PCOMM COMBO-ENG  Special Notice
  Current Target Date ..  Flags
  SCP ...
  Platform 

  Status Detail: Not Available

  PE PTF List:

  PTF List:


  Parent APAR:
  Child APAR list:


  ERROR DESCRIPTION:
  We just installed and deployed PCOMM 13.0. It was released
  November 9, 2017.

  The "about" screen shows 20171108 S - 13.0.0.0

  The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!


  LOCAL FIX:
  None


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/27/2017 6:00 AM, Greg Price wrote:

On 2017-11-27 7:00 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


"All Points Addressable" and "Programmable Symbol Sets" are what I 
take these acronyms (initializations?) to mean.


PCOMM refers to these as:

1. "Vector Graphics" where you specify either "native" or "advanced" and ...
2. "Programmed Symbols" where you provide a cell type of "automatic" or 
"fixed" (with a cell size such as 9x16).


I have used vector graphics quite a bit in RMF output and have had 
customers show me how they do as well.


Our products leverage graphics escape characters, but not PS or vector 
graphics. We might, if they were more readily available.


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Mark Pace]

Have to many users that are dieing  on V12.0.2
They still have not added the update to Fix Central.  :(

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 11/21/2017 7:36 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>> This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the
>> DEL key simply does not work any more!
>>
>
> I opened a PMR and IBM was able to identify and fix the problem overnight.
> I installed an updated pcskbd.dll this morning and all is well.
>
> Still shocked that I was the first to discover something so incredibly
> fundamental! It proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that not a single
> mainframe programmer actually *used* this product before it shipped...
>
> I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes for an
> APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming world...)
>
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Seymour J Metz]

Silly me; I thought that IND$FILE had been replaced by WSA, or some combination 
of FTP, SFTP and WSA.


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Tom Brennan wrote:

>Well, I said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be 
>totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I think 
>people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.

... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be 
wrong! ;-)


>And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, 
>logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something like 
>SHOWMVS.

It is indeed a PITA, especially if that customer's firewall and network 
settings block you to enter the mainframe.

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 11/27/2017 10:18 AM, Dave Jones wrote:

I would like to see x3270 support GDDM graphics.



Did you ever write to Paul about that?


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Re: Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Dave Jones]

I would like to see x3270 support GDDM graphics. It would come in handy viewing 
the GDDM graphics displays the IBM Performance Toolkit for z/VM produces now 
without having the extra hassle of making a csv file, downloading it to Excel 
and making a graph there.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Hi Greg!

Yes, with your help I did get the LPS functions going years ago in what 
I called V1.25.  It seemed fine until some people I worked with started 
using it for SAS graphs and found errors.  I spent a lot of time trying 
to figure out what I was doing wrong, and then (sorry) kind of decided 
there just wasn't enough call for it.


And I you're right around Win 7 time.  With early Vista TN3270 I wanted 
to go against the grain (and even MS standards) and pile everything in 
one directory.  That included exe, dll, support, and even parameter 
files which were regularly updated by the user.  The objective was to be 
able to copy/backup one directory and have everything.  Win 7 spoiled 
that by enforcing the MS standards.


Regards,
Tom

Greg Price wrote:
But Tom has serious paying customers who don't really care for what I 
may or may not want in a TN3270 client and so I gather that these code 
changes were more of a prototype quality rather than production quality 
code and so were not copied into the product's code base used going 
forward.

(Tom can correct me here if I have any of this wrong, of course.)

I think it was Win7 that introduced the Program Data directory, yes?

Anyway, Tom had to make a change to Vista so it was a happy Win7 citizen 
(IIRC).  The net result of the new directory paradigm was that it was a 
pain to use the 1.25 version under Win7 and later so I gave it away in 
the end.




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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

LOL - at 06:15 with everyone else still sleeping.

Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:

... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be 
wrong! ;-)


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Greg Price]

On 2017-11-27 7:00 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


"All Points Addressable" and "Programmable Symbol Sets" are what I take 
these acronyms (initializations?) to mean.


You could say that "GDDM graphics" is graphics performed by employing 
calls to GDDM.  If displaying the graphics on a TSO 3270 terminal, then 
GDDM will employ one of PSS (really raster graphics - the original 3270 
graphics) or what I call "native 3270 vector graphics" (no programmed 
symbols here - first supported by the 3179G I believe) or the even newer 
"enhanced PC handshaking vector graphics" implemented in the data stream 
after PCs pretending to be 3270 terminals became widespread.


(The "PC handshaking" as I call it, was known as DOSLINK, then later on 
as OS2LINK, then as PCLK, and was not used with any real 3270 hardware, 
AFAIK.)


Typically, the TSO terminal will only fully support one of these.  The 
support for these can be determined by an application from the response 
to a Read Partition (Query).  PCOMM3270 allows you to enable any one or 
none of these 3 3270 graphics options.


In a sense, PSS does provide APA, it could be argued.

Once you have the ability to specify the illumination of each pixel in 
any of the supported colors (ok, I want to say colours) independently 
from the illumination of any other pixel, you effectively have APA.


(The 3179G which supported vector graphics did also support single-plane 
programmed symbols - meaning monochrome - whereas only triple-plane 
programmed symbols can provide multiple colours in a single character.)


But really, with each symbol, you are specifying how a character display 
location is used whenever that symbol is displayed.  This is very 
efficient (I think) if you have symbols that you are going to reuse 
because you can specify (load) them once and then reuse them many times 
with relatively small overhead.


In practice, what were they used for?  Diagrams?  Text with custom 
symbols?  I think mainly for graphs and charts - probably mainly from 
MVS performance data.  There may well have been many other uses by 
applications, but I think it was MVS performance folks who were the 
majority of users.


So how do you make a graph or chart?  Well, I would make a big rectangle 
of pixels into which I would project the chart, and then I would map 
each 9x16 (or 8x10 or 10x8 or whatever the terminal - screen or printer 
- used) cell and load each symbol into consecutive codes points and then 
after the symbols were loaded then I would switch to that character set 
and display those points: x'4142434445446...FCFDFEFF' and then switch to 
the next character set and display those and so on until the whole chart 
was on display.


Or for vector graphics, you could effectively display a bitmap by 
sending rows of pixels - again the single plane (monochrome - meaning 
you choose the 1 3270 colour to use) or triple-plane (RGB - really GRB 
for 3270) concepts apply.


Anyway, enough of my waffle.  Most of what I know about 3270 graphics is 
described here:

http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/3270grfx.html

I am hardly a world authority on the topic, so if you spot anything 
which needs to be corrected then please let me know - preferably with 
the correction to be made.

:)

Recently I optimized the REVIEW display of pictures using programmed 
symbols where LPS recycle did not occur, and so I may have broken the 
display where LPS recycle did occur (ie. larger pictures) so if there is 
a bug in that which you would like fixed, give the relevant test 
conditions and I'll try to have a look at it.


REVIEW employs 3270 graphics to
- display PCX files
- display BMP files
- display GIF files
- don't do JPEGs because I don't understand how to decode them - 
assembler code donations welcome.



Programmed symbol and native vector graphics terminals are supported by 
assembler invocations of TPUT.  "PC handshaking" graphics is supported 
by calling GDDM.


In RFE (REVIEW Front End - poor man's PDF for use when ISPF is broken or 
not present) when a specific volume is selected in option 3.4 at the 
bottom of the data set list when geometry suits and programmed symbols 
are supported, a row of graphics is displayed depicting the space usage 
of the volume, where each vertical slice of pixels represents 1 
cylinder.  That is, the scale is 1 pixel per track.  Tracks addressed by 
the same head are in the same horizontal line of pixels.  Colour code 
indicates use.  (eg. white=VTOC, green=DSCB1/DSCB8 descriptors, 
yellow=DSCB3 descriptors, red=tracks in more than 1 extent (error) etc.)


For completeness I'll mention that the RFE main menu uses programmed 
symbols under MVS/370 to display:

- virtual storage page assignment
- UIC frame population bar graph
- real storage frame assignment.
The colour codes are documented in the TSO HELP member for the RFE command.

If you want to look at REVIEW, go ahead, but do not install releases 
47.5 to 47.7 into 

Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Greg Price]

On 2017-11-27 7:42 AM, Tom Brennan wrote:

Years ago I was getting help from Greg Price


Probably circa turn of the century (before Vista was also a release of 
Windows) I thought it might be nice if one the the 
not-prohibitively-expensive TN3270 clients supported a form of 3270 
graphics, and so I sent an email or two to Tom with a view to convincing 
him that (a) programmed symbol graphics is fully documented in the 3270 
Data Stream Programmer's Guide and (b) it is a "simple matter of 
programming" to implement it.


Looking after a few data structure arrays must be bread-and-butter to 
anyone who can code up a reliable and function-rich TN3270 client, was 
my considered opinion, not that I really know about such things, of course.


Basically, the TN3270 client has to
- flag in the response to a Read Partition (Query) that it supports such 
functionality

- understand and digest the LPS (Load Programmed Symbols) data stream
- render loaded symbols into the screen buffer when SA or SFE orders 
request a switch to that character set.


A point to remember is that the TN3270 client cannot simply have a 
storage array for each RWS (read/write storage) being emulated.


An IBM 3279G will show the "green lightning" while an LPS data stream is 
being processed, but all of the RWSes added up cannot supply enough 
characters to paint an entire 32x80 screen.  So at least some of them 
are used more than once, in the usual case, before input-inhibit is 
reset (or the keyboard is unlocked, if you prefer) to allow a user response.


BUT - the symbols rendered when the "first lot" of symbols were in the 
RWSes must still be rendered that way, even though the relevant RWSes 
have been overlaid with a new set of symbol data, which is quite often 
used to render the bit-less-than-second-half of the screen.


So, symbol data must be remembered by the TN3270 client until BOTH of
- the symbols are no longer in any current RWS
- the symbols are no longer displayed on the screen
are true.

At the time, Vista 1.24 was the current release.

Once Tom took up the challenge, in fairly short order (no comment from 
me on how much work it did or did not take to do it) there was a quite 
impressive (to me) Vista 1.25 which did a very good job of displaying 
the graphics that I could produce.


But Tom has serious paying customers who don't really care for what I 
may or may not want in a TN3270 client and so I gather that these code 
changes were more of a prototype quality rather than production quality 
code and so were not copied into the product's code base used going forward.

(Tom can correct me here if I have any of this wrong, of course.)

I think it was Win7 that introduced the Program Data directory, yes?

Anyway, Tom had to make a change to Vista so it was a happy Win7 citizen 
(IIRC).  The net result of the new directory paradigm was that it was a 
pain to use the 1.25 version under Win7 and later so I gave it away in 
the end.


Hmmm, probably time to cast the net more widely...

I still refer anyone who asks me about Vista 1.25 to Tom.

I asked Paul Mattes about x3270 graphics support, and he said that it 
was a to-be-done thing and had been for years.  I gave him a TSO 
graphics program in my brief dialogue with him, and he said that he now 
had his sample application, the lack of which had been one of the 
stumbling blocks up till that time.  He seemed confident that rendering 
symbols constructed at run-time would not be a problem.  I can't see 
that much has been done in this area in the years since, though.  Still,
he does work on it without pay (I believe) so that's understandable. 
It's probably better to keep it running satisfactorily for the existing 
customer base that to appease a former MVS sysprog.


My next port-of-call was Hans Erik at Nexus Terminal.

I went through my shtick and he also took up the challenge.  Further, it 
is now part of the base product, and therefore officially supported, I 
believe.


So, for regular 3270 work, I have the choice of two great TN3270 
clients, both with expert support, and for my graphics work, there's 
Nexus Terminal.


(Bonus points for spotting that the map on the http://www.nexit.com/ web 
page is from one of my sample pictures available from the REVIEW (TSO 
command) home page and from CBT file 134.)



Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Edward Finnell]

I forget, but the only big plotter was an EIA attached to a PDP-8 over in the 
Chemistry building. So I'd have to run the simulations on the mainframe and 
write the output to DTR and carry them over to the Chem lab. They didn't like 
me 'cause they couldn't play 'Duck Hunter' while the plotter was running.
 
In a message dated 11/27/2017 12:56:49 AM Central Standard Time, 
martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com writes:

 
At UCL in the early 1980’s we had Tektronix graphics terminals that were 
exactly as you said. Exotic and scarce devices, fun to watch :-) , compared to 
the character-based terminals we all had access to. (This on GEC 4000 series 
mainframes.)

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Re: Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Greg Price]

On 2017-11-27 8:06 PM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:

I guess, the original 3279 G displays had small (HP?) plotters
attached to them, so that the content of the display could
simply be hardcopied by pressing a certain key (or controlled
by the application, maybe).


Our SAS/MXG performance guy back in the day had a Memorex 3279G 
look-alike with its own printer that printed the screen image when the 
hardcopy print key on the terminal's keyboard was pressed.


IBM may have had similar hardware, but OEM stuff was cheaper.

We did have a real 3279G which exhibited the "green lightning" while the 
LPS (load programmed symbols) data stream was being processed.


Cheers,
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Re: Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Bernd Oppolzer]

Am 27.11.2017 um 09:47 schrieb Elardus Engelbrecht:

Bernd Oppolzer wrote:


We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our plotter outputs 
.

... This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved 
off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.

Around 1990 - 2000, I and some of my colleagues used GDDM to display on a 3270 
screen (PCOMM IIRC) the SAS graphs produced from SMF data. If the pic is 
looking great, neat and accurate, then we plot that on a desktop plotter.

Now, today I am wondering how the graphs were transferred. I simply can't 
remember how these plotters are connected to the PCs and how the emulator 
screen is transferred to a plotter. Granted, those plotters were setup before I 
worked with them.


I guess, the original 3279 G displays had small (HP?) plotters
attached to them, so that the content of the display could
simply be hardcopied by pressing a certain key (or controlled
by the application, maybe).

I recall that another public transport company in Bochum, Germany,
had an APL application to interactively build timetables,
and this application used APL and GDDM and the 3279 G display stations
(and the attached hardcopy printer).

Kind regards

Bernd




It was great 'fun' if someone who used the plotter, forgot to replace the pen 
caps back after usage... ;-)

... You then sit with dry pens and no available wet pens while managements 
wants the pics NOW!!!

These days, we don't use any plotters at all. We are still have these ADM... DD 
statements in our TSO procs in case someone wants to use them.

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Bernd Oppolzer wrote:

>We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our plotter outputs 
>.
... This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved 
off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.

Around 1990 - 2000, I and some of my colleagues used GDDM to display on a 3270 
screen (PCOMM IIRC) the SAS graphs produced from SMF data. If the pic is 
looking great, neat and accurate, then we plot that on a desktop plotter.

Now, today I am wondering how the graphs were transferred. I simply can't 
remember how these plotters are connected to the PCs and how the emulator 
screen is transferred to a plotter. Granted, those plotters were setup before I 
worked with them.

It was great 'fun' if someone who used the plotter, forgot to replace the pen 
caps back after usage... ;-)

... You then sit with dry pens and no available wet pens while managements 
wants the pics NOW!!!

These days, we don't use any plotters at all. We are still have these ADM... DD 
statements in our TSO procs in case someone wants to use them.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Tom Brennan wrote:

>Well, I said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be 
>totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I think 
>people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.

... and FTP is supposed to be replaced by SFTP or FTPS ... but I could be 
wrong! ;-)


>And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, 
>logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something like 
>SHOWMVS.

It is indeed a PITA, especially if that customer's firewall and network 
settings block you to enter the mainframe.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Graphic output on the mainframe (was: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release)

[Bernd Oppolzer]

We used GDDM and 3279 G (IIRC) displays to do preview of our
plotter outputs (which were to pe printed on big electrostatic Calcomp
plotters in the end).

The (most technical) software was written in Pascal and Fortran and
built the output using a graphic software which was called GKS (graphic
kernel system). GKS had two adapters, one for the Calcomp plotter and
one for GDDM, so the output (GKS metafile) could be plotted and shown
at the display station at the same time. Later we added an adapter to
HPGL (HP graphics language) and bought some HP plotters.

This was in the 1985 to 1995 time frame. After that, the applications moved
off the mainframe, to Unix workstations.

IIRC, some other companies here in Germany (car manufacturers) did similar
things, in the same time frame. There were even some CAD like systems
running on the mainframe.

Kind regards

Bernd



Am 26.11.2017 um 21:01 schrieb Seymour J Metz:

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Martin Packer]

At UCL in the early 1980’s we had Tektronix graphics terminals that were 
exactly as you said. Exotic and scarce devices, fun to watch :-) , compared to 
the character-based terminals we all had access to. (This on GEC 4000 series 
mainframes.)

Martin Packer

> On 27 Nov 2017, at 06:11, Tom Brennan  wrote:
> 
> Ha... max users=6 :)  Sounds a bit like my first computer-related job. 
> Around 1979 I asked to be moved across the hall from the manual map 
> drafting department (ink on silk) to the new graphic computers.  We had 
> 10 stations running sold by this company: 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Computervision=DwICaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=2_lduX0-vYU99tSZtC52Ob1_aDt3vfQtzlP2AxWzxjo=cUauBLOMke6VZSYZiT-RBVff3iRWsbEMpLk-a6M1Ys0=
> 
> The displays were storage scopes, and you could see the computer draw a 
> very bright temporary line on the green phosphor which then "stuck" as a 
> charged image, but not nearly as bright as the original flash.  Lines 
> (and multiple lines that approximated arcs) accumulated on the screen 
> until the drawing was complete.  To erase something, the computer would 
> flash a high voltage to the screen that erased everything, and then it 
> repainted the entire image all over again (minus what was erased).  You 
> had to have the patience of a saint.
> 
> Edward Finnell wrote:
>> Back in the sixties when Federal Systems was big, I seem to remember 
>> graphics on TI/HP terminals with oscilloscopes as screen via acoustic 
>> couplers no less. Later there were graphic accelerators that went thru the 
>> 5088. Haven't looked in a while but there was an option in PARMLIB for 
>> graphics support. 
>> 
>> Back when Bill Butterfield/GMR was head of SHARE one of his merry men gave a 
>> talk on their environment. It was a big 600j with a good bit of graphics. 
>> Don't remember the specifics but maxusers on TSO was 6.
>> 
>> In a message dated 11/26/2017 2:43:55 PM Central Standard Time, 
>> t...@tombrennansoftware.com writes:
>> 
>> 
>> APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
>> on the screen to be set by the host. I assume that means I could send 
>> special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
>> just send an entire block of bits to the screen. And I think I read 
>> this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
>> emulators.
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

That might work some of the time, but it's just by chance.  The function 
really needs some work and testing and thinking.  The thinking is the 
hardest part, especially after I put a TV near my desk.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

I'll be hornswoggled. ;-)

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On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:


If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy.



A right mouse click on one of the slashes in the name works for me.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

On 27/11/2017 9:52 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  
Oh, I assumed all GUI's were X11. If GNOME is not, that's a plus for 
me - X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated 
opinion). 


They're all *on top of* the X Windowing System originally from MIT, 
usually the Xenocara cut these days.




Qt , GTK+ etc can also use Wayland, a popular alternative to X11. For 
android and embedded devices there are alternative libraries that call DRI.



GTK+ and Qt are *class libraries* implemented in terms of X.

Gnome and KDE, etc., are Windowing Managers (which are pluggable in X) 
and associated Desktop Suites.


Additionally, Gnome and KDE use data buses external to the X Windowing 
System to do their magic.


Writing a new substantial GUI application? Program in Java and Swing.



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

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On 11/26/2017 1:29 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  
Oh, I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for 
me - X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated 
opinion). 


They're all *on top of* the X Windowing System originally from MIT, 
usually the Xenocara cut these days.


GTK+ and Qt are *class libraries* implemented in terms of X.

Gnome and KDE, etc., are Windowing Managers (which are pluggable in X) 
and associated Desktop Suites.


Additionally, Gnome and KDE use data buses external to the X Windowing 
System to do their magic.


Writing a new substantial GUI application? Program in Java and Swing.

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On 27/11/2017 06:10 AM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy.


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Seymour J Metz]

GNOME uses GTK+, which uses X11. KDE uses QT, which uses X11.


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Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  Oh,
I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me -
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).

Seymour J Metz wrote:
> There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
> are based on X11.
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>
> Hi Andy...
>
> At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
> free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
> recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
> GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
> to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.
>
> Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>
>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
>>
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Brennan]

Years ago I was getting help from Greg Price (who seemed to know more 
about 3270 protocol than anybody on the planet) to implement PSS which I 
called GDDM graphics.  I don't know anything about APA.


Let's see if I have the definitions correct:

PSS = Programmed Symbol Set, the host creates little bitmaps the same 
size as each character cell, and sends them to the terminal.  Once they 
all arrive, the host then sends characters that point to each one of 
those new symbols as needed to "draw" lines and arcs and whatever on the 
screen.  I remember seeing real 3279's go crazy with "static" for a few 
seconds prior to displaying a graphic screen, and I bet that was during 
the process of loading the programmed symbols.


APA = All Points Available (or Addressable), which would allow any dot 
on the screen to be set by the host.  I assume that means I could send 
special codes to the screen to say, draw a (real) line or arc, or maybe 
just send an entire block of bits to the screen.  And I think I read 
this function was never available on any real IBM hardware, only on 
emulators.


Seymour J Metz wrote:

What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:


On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:



I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.



It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
annoying "features":

- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
you that the current macro will be overwritten

Robert



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[Tom Brennan]

Thanks, I think the default is GNOME now that you mention the name.  Oh, 
I assumed all GUI's were X11.  If GNOME is not, that's a plus for me - 
X11 applications always seem a hassle to connect (my uneducated opinion).


Seymour J Metz wrote:

There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
are based on X11.


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.

Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:


Classification: Public
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:06:57 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>There are many, of which the most common are GNOME and KDE; both GTK+ and QT 
>are based on X11.
>
Lots:  https://renewablepcs.wordpress.com/about-linux/kde-gnome-or-xfce/

Ubuntu is reportedly trying to veer away from X11.  I don't think it's time for 
that,
given the pervasive availablity of X11 servers.
__
>From: Tom Brennan
>Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 12:18 PM
>
>At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
>free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  ...

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are based on X11.


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.

Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> Classification: Public
> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
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What is "GDDM graphics", APA or PSS?


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Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.

And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers.
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is,
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something
like SHOWMVS.

Robert Prins wrote:
> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with
>> PCOMM.
>>
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
>
>
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few
> annoying "features":
>
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn
> you that the current macro will be overwritten
>
> Robert

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[Tom Brennan]

Well, it was planned well in advance of the breakaway activities.  But 
if anyone here is thinking of going soon, we had no issues at all. 
There were Catalonia flags hanging from balconies, a few flags of Spain 
in opposition, and that's about it.  But people do have strong opinions 
if asked: for example, when I talked about Barcelona with a guy in 
Madrid, he said, "They are not Spaniard."  Ouch.


Yes, we had a great time seeing the historic, super-artistic, and very 
proud people of both Barcelona and Madrid.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a 
great time...

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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk.  
And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read ibm-main for a 
while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I think I could live in 
Barcelona - beautiful city.

Bill Wilkie wrote:


I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

bill

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:



Classification: Public
Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.





I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.



Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.





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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:



On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:



Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270




There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
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You guys picked an interesting time to visit Barcelona. Sounds like you had a 
great time...

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Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my desk.  
And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read ibm-main for a 
while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I think I could live in 
Barcelona - beautiful city.

Bill Wilkie wrote:
> I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
> support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.
> 
> bill
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on 
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> 
> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> 
>>Classification: Public
>>Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
> 
> 
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
> 
> 
>>I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
>>remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> 
> 
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
> 
> 
>>Andy Styles
>>z/Series Systems Programmer
>>
>>-Original Message-
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>>On Behalf Of David Crayford
>>Sent: 22 November 2017 05:51
>>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
>>
>>On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>>Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>>
>>>One word: x3270
>>>
>>>
>>
>>There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
>>maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
>>like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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[Jesse 1 Robinson]

The reason that Vista is so good is that I was actually user #2. Tom was #1. 
Surely the only emulator written from scratch by an 
experienced--professional--mainframe programmer. I did ask for a few additional 
features early on, but most of what I needed was already there, recognized--and 
provided--by user #1. 

If this morphs into a requirements session, one feature that would be welcome: 
handling UNIX file names seamlessly. From the get-go Vista could capture an MVS 
data set name, or a portion of it, with a simple right mouse click. UNIX file 
names require Highlight followed by Copy. Not a struggle, but a slight bump in 
the work flow. Just sayin. 

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Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day.  But you may not know that 
months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality that Skip 
would accept it".  So that day was the acid test.

Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by 
> my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was 
> hooked. 
> 
> But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different 
> emulators. Even Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of 
> purist than Tom. ;-)
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> On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> 
>>Tom Brennan Vista?
> 
> 
> We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most 
> well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, 
> etc. even x3270
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> I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...
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[Tom Brennan]

Hi Robert, you're right... and many of those errors were because I wrote 
Vista initially for Windows 3.1, without using some of the built-in 
functions for dialog windows.  I used more of my own code because I 
wanted things to look more like Win 95 while still running 3.1.  That 
was fine at the time, but of course Windows advanced and my dialogs were 
left in the dust.  So I need to work on that.


And a minute ago I said I thought GDDM graphics are unused.  Well, I 
said the same thing about IND$FILE back in 1998, thinking it would be 
totally replaced by FTP.  I was certainly wrong about that!  Today I 
think people use IND$FILE more than ever for smaller file transfers. 
And there are folks like you without FTP available - I know how that is, 
logging on to a customer's mainframe and needing to upload something 
like SHOWMVS.


Robert Prins wrote:

On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with 
PCOMM.


Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.



It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few 
annoying "features":


- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn 
you that the current macro will be overwritten


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In almost 20 years of Vista TN3270 support, I think I've had about 5 
people asking for graphics, and most were for "fun" (to play chess, 
display JPG images, etc.)  I don't think I ever had anyone ask me for 
something business oriented, such as a SAS graph.


My thoughts are that virtually all graphics have long-since moved to PC 
products.  I could be wrong of course.


Timothy Sipples wrote:

Personal Communications and Host On-Demand both support GDDM graphics, as a
notable/important feature. I don't think there's anything else on Linux and
Macintosh that supports GDDM except HOD.


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I thought about it early on, but a user would expect that the HLAPPI 
program they wrote for PCOMM would work with Vista without any 
modifications, and even without a recompile.  Multiply that work by the 
number of other existing emulator products, and I saw it as a full-time 
job for about 5 people :)  Sorry, that was a can of worms I didn't want 
to open.


Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 11/22/2017 3:57 AM, Dave Wade wrote:


P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's



No...



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Wow... that's interesting, but seems to add complexity I would have 
certainly avoided.  I guess these days people assume servers are running 
and connections are available.


David Crayford wrote:
It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application 
server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.



On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:

IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO 
footprint 3270 emulator - 
https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112


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Hi Andy...

At first I thought "why bother" because people expect Linux software for 
free, but a bigger issue is that I had never used a Linux GUI.  Just 
recently I've been working with SUSE and whatever the default install 
GUI is, and it's pretty good - enough like Windows that it's easy for me 
to use.  So if I get time that's sure on my list of things to try.


Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

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Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



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Thanks Dave.  I hope I can live up to that.

David Cole wrote:

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.

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At 11/21/2017 04:30 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating 
in the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...


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Thanks Skip (Vista user #1) - I remember that day.  But you may not know 
that months prior my programming goal was to "Add enough functionality 
that Skip would accept it".  So that day was the acid test.


Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked. 


But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different emulators. Even 
Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of purist than Tom. ;-)

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On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:


Tom Brennan Vista?



We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most well-known 
emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, etc. even x3270

I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...

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[Tom Brennan]

Yes, even though I don't do a lot of systems work these days, I still do 
logon to something every day.  And since I never learned to touch-type, 
my backspace and delete keys are probably the most used :)


Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:


Tom Brennan Vista?



We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most 
well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, 
etc. even x3270


I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and 
spoon...




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[Tom Brennan]

Thanks Bill... I do try to keep up with email even when far away from my 
desk.  And this was a fun thread to read just now.  I have not read 
ibm-main for a while because my wife made me go on vacation to Spain.  I 
think I could live in Barcelona - beautiful city.


Bill Wilkie wrote:

I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:


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Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)



That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.



I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.



Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.



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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:


On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:


Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270




There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
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[J R]

I've detested PCOMM for decades.  User configuration never seemed friendly and, 
even with perseverance, didn't always cater to valid combinations.  IND$FILE 
was like using a screwdriver to bang in a nail.  Then there was the XMIT hoop 
to jump through. 

The best I've ever been able to use to get my job done were Tom Brennan's Vista 
and Hummingbird FTP.  Paradise!  

>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 14:48, Robert Prins  wrote:
>> 
>> On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:
>> I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.
>> Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
>> It is, was, and will always be the best.
> 
> It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few annoying 
> "features":
> 
> - the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
> - the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
> - it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
> - accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn you 
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Personal Communications and Host On-Demand both support GDDM graphics, as a
notable/important feature. I don't think there's anything else on Linux and
Macintosh that supports GDDM except HOD.


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On 2017-11-22 11:24, David Cole wrote:

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.


It probably is the best, but it also has, at least for me, a few annoying 
"features":


- the ind$file dialog cannot be resized (I cannot use FTP)
- the File transfer settings menu lacks a pull-down with all options
- it's not possible to keep macros in multiple directories
- accidentally recording a macro (while trying to play it) doesn't warn you that 
the current macro will be overwritten


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On 11/23/2017 1:24 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

I have looked and attempted on a couple of occasions, and I've always failed. 
Because it relies on only X, and not QT or GTK


Yes, x3270 simple, well-structured, but out of fashion, and requires 
that one understand an older way of doing things.


Just like z/OS :)


One day maybe I'll spend time and effort doing something with it!



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On 11/23/2017 12:40 AM, David Crayford wrote:


Really?

git init
git add .
git commit -m "Initial commit"
git remote add origin https://github.com/repo
git push

Not that painful :)


And then there's the wiki, the bug

 * the wiki
 * the bugtracker
 * the revision history
 * the ancillary webbage
 * the site info
 * the news feed
 * user awareness
 * ...

Folks generally aren't sending us huge sums of money to use open source.
It would be nice if they all contributed code.
The least that folks can do is indulge us open source authors in the 
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Except PF Keys are a pain - being on a virtual keypad you have to pop up. 
Unless I'm missing something.

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> Same problem

>finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work

>machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.



Brown University’s tn3270 for Mac is a gem. IND$FILE support, multiple 
screen sizes, 3270 graphics, PSS support, the works – even a custom font 
with the classic 3270 zero with a dot in the center.

 

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.brown.edu_cis_tn3270_=DwIGaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ=foF1pvs_3FmhlqSWaileHQDEtR6U_QDFR5_CaxV5Rms=no6mw5LdvsdndzFe-UZSkxSECV93UIssrjMU_7-MmGE=




>Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,

>etc. c3270 isn't much better. 



Well, x3270 and c3270 are the same core code, as is pr3270 for printing, 
so it’s not surprising. 





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> Same problem
>finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
>machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

Brown University’s tn3270 for Mac is a gem. IND$FILE support, multiple screen 
sizes, 3270 graphics, PSS support, the works – even a custom font with the 
classic 3270 zero with a dot in the center.
 
https://www.brown.edu/cis/tn3270/

>Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
>etc. c3270 isn't much better. 

Well, x3270 and c3270 are the same core code, as is pr3270 for printing, so 
it’s not surprising. 


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The cheapest solution is x3270, because it's free.
The fastest and smallest terminal emulator is Norwegian Nexus. The 
version I use takes less than diskette (approx 1,3 MB) and installs in 
20-30 seconds. Windows only.



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They are indeed, but I don't have enough skills (yet..?) to rewrite bits of 
x3270 I want.

I have looked and attempted on a couple of occasions, and I've always failed. 
Because it relies on only X, and not QT or GTK, none of the features of either 
KDE or GNOME (or whatever that's called these days) appear to be used. I'm 
guessing that's because it's generically available to all Linux, and possibly 
beyond.

One day maybe I'll spend time and effort doing something with it!

Andy Styles
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> On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
>> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
>> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> Open source software works because users participate. Send Paul some 
> diffs.

The latest checkins to the x3270 source tree are this month, so obviously Paul 
Mattes is still at it, like 20 years later.

Open source will still be there when the vendors wander away in search of fresh 
blood :)

Participate.

https://sourceforge.net/p/x3270/code/ci/master/tree/Common/

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On 23/11/2017 3:03 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/22/2017 7:50 PM, David Crayford wrote:


No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could 
open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the 
screen scraper s3270.




There's a bug tracker on his SourceForge repository. Some of us older 
open source authors have nearly 20-year-old installations that are a 
pain to move to GitHub.




Really?

git init
git add .
git commit -m "Initial commit"
git remote add origin https://github.com/repo
git push

Not that painful :)



I have open source on both sites. And others ;)



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On 11/22/2017 7:50 PM, David Crayford wrote:


No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could 
open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the 
screen scraper s3270.




There's a bug tracker on his SourceForge repository. Some of us older 
open source authors have nearly 20-year-old installations that are a 
pain to move to GitHub.


I have open source on both sites. And others ;)

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On 23/11/2017 9:21 AM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/21/2017 10:51 PM, David Crayford wrote:


There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained.



Have you reported the bugs? Paul has always been very responsive in my 
experience.




No. I probably would if he moved his repository to github so I could 
open an issue. One of the interesting tools in this suite is the screen 
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On 11/22/2017 6:22 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
Open source software works because users participate. Send Paul some 
diffs.


The latest checkins to the x3270 source tree are this month, so 
obviously Paul Mattes is still at it, like 20 years later.


Open source will still be there when the vendors wander away in search 
of fresh blood :)


Participate.

https://sourceforge.net/p/x3270/code/ci/master/tree/Common/

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On 11/22/2017 1:46 AM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:


I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.




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On 11/21/2017 10:51 PM, David Crayford wrote:


There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained.



Have you reported the bugs? Paul has always been very responsive in my 
experience.



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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/21/2017 7:36 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, 
the DEL key simply does not work any more!


I opened a PMR and IBM was able to identify and fix the problem 
overnight. I installed an updated pcskbd.dll this morning and all is well.


Still shocked that I was the first to discover something so incredibly 
fundamental! It proves to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that not a 
single mainframe programmer actually *used* this product before it 
shipped...


I'll let you know when I get a real APAR number (or whatever passes for 
an APAR in this "loosy goosey" off-platform DevOps programming world...)


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Don Poitras]

Probably overkill, but I had a separate reason to run Windows on my
MacBook Air, so I installed VMware and have Windows 10 running. As 
a bonus, it runs the Vista 3270 emulator just swell. :)

In article 
<of900b385d.1d8071bf-on802581e0.0038e07a-802581e0.0039d...@uk.ibm.com> you 
wrote:
> Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on 
> Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be 
> desired.)
> Cheers, Martin
> Martin Packer
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> From:   David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com>
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> Date:   22/11/2017 09:27
> Subject:Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
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> On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> > Classification: Public
> > Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)
> That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one). 
> It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
> finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
> machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.
> >
> > I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.
> Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
> etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.
> >
> > Andy Styles
> > z/Series Systems Programmer
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On 
> Behalf Of David Crayford
> > Sent: 22 November 2017 05:51
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> > Subject: Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release
> >
> > On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> >> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
> >>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
> >>
> >> One word: x3270
> >>
> >>
> > There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
> maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 
> emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/22/2017 3:57 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's


No...

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

I do count TN3270 as a given. The Chrome apps have shown you don't need 
the http protocol for a browser based app.


On 22/11/2017 10:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

I guess it depends on which foot the zero applies to. Most 3270 emulators are "zero 
host footprint" assuming you count TN3270 as a given. Otherwise, I guess IRMA and 
CLEO and so forth would be the only zero host footprint emulators.

Charles


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It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application server! A 
pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.


On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:

IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO footprint 
3270 emulator - https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112

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[John Bachiochi]

For those looking for a client based solution, there is also Syspertec's VIRTEL 
Web Access offering.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Steve Thompson]

On 11/22/2017 12:51 AM, David Crayford wrote:

On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

Two words. Vista TN3270.



One word: x3270




There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not 
well maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser 
based 3270 emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.



This is why I use Wine with Linux (specifically, in my case, 
OPENSUSE) and QWS3270.


I must confess, I haven't used QWS3270 under Wine for 10 years or 
so, so it may not work with SUSE 13 and later.


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[Charles Mills]

I guess it depends on which foot the zero applies to. Most 3270 emulators are 
"zero host footprint" assuming you count TN3270 as a given. Otherwise, I guess 
IRMA and CLEO and so forth would be the only zero host footprint emulators.

Charles


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It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application server! A 
pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.


On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:
> IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO 
> footprint 3270 emulator - 
> https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112

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It's not zero footprint at all. It requires a back-end application 
server! A pure ZERO footprint 3270 emulator would be client-side only.



On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:

IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO footprint 
3270 emulator - https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112

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[Chambers, David W.]

+1

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Two words. Vista TN3270. 

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key 
simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug 
than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input 
not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that 
it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. 
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" 
their own "cooking."

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[Dave Wade]

>I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded 
>except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

This Microsoft hack to disable the Font Cache in Windows/10 allows PCOMM 5.7 to 
work again


https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/4038303/fonts-installed-by-using-install-as-shortcut-are-missing-after-a-syste

or shortened

https://tinyurl.com/ydgby28k

so I assume it works for 6...

Dave Wade

P.S. does VISTA support the PCOMM API's so will my external scripts still work 
or do I have to fix all of them..

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

On 22/11/2017 7:34 PM, Prem Swami wrote:

IBM HACP EE could be of interest to the users looking for a pure ZERO footprint 
3270 emulator - https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27050112


If it's as well tested as PCOMM we might have to swerve :)


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[David Cole]

I simply don't understand why anyone would still be putting up with PCOMM.

Tom Brennan Vista remains both well and fully supported.
It is, was, and will always be the best.

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At 11/21/2017 04:30 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.
The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!
IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating 
in the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

Mocha TN3270 is not great by any means but it's a good example of what 
can be done using JavaScript/HTML5. A really good webdev could create an 
amazing 3270 emulator for the browser. Chrome apps can also run on 
mobile devices and desktops so are truly cross-platform/device.


Another great chrome app is Secure Shell which is an SSH shell that runs 
in the browser so you can use tabs 
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo?hl=en. 
884,439 users is not too bad if they all pay a dollar is it?



On 22/11/2017 6:31 PM, Martin Packer wrote:

Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on
Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be
desired.)

Cheers, Martin

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

Classification: Public
Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.


I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard

remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.


Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer

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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

Two words. Vista TN3270.

One word: x3270



There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well

maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270
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[Bill Wilkie]

I haven't used anything else for many years now and NEVER had an Issue about 
support questions. Tom usually answers in a matter of minutes.

bill

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
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> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one).
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

>
> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
> remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc,
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.

>
> Andy Styles
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> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
> maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
> like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

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Or Mac? Desperately need a good 3270 client with a responsive developer on 
Mac. (Current one is Mochasoft TN3270 which leaves quite a bit to be 
desired.)

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On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:
> Classification: Public
> Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one). 
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.

>
> I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard 
remapping and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.

>
> Andy Styles
> z/Series Systems Programmer
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>
> On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
>> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>>
>> One word: x3270
>>
>>
> There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 
emulators like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.
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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

On 22/11/2017 4:46 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

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Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)


That would be fantastic. I'm one of Toms customers (a very happy one). 
It may be worth a try to see how Vista goes with Wine. Same problem 
finding a decent 3270 emulator for macOS. If I had a choice of work 
machine I would choose a Mac but I need a decent 3270 emulator.




I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.


Doesn't support graphic escape characters, the menus are broken etc, 
etc. c3270 isn't much better. But they're free so can't grumble too much.




Andy Styles
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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

Two words. Vista TN3270.


One word: x3270



There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)]

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Perhaps Tom could be persuaded to port Vista to Linux :-)

I've used x3270, and I find it functional, but lacking. Both keyboard remapping 
and font support are stuck in the 90s.

Andy Styles
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On 22/11/2017 1:36 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
>> Two words. Vista TN3270.
>
>
> One word: x3270
>
>

There's not much choice on Linux. x3270 is full of bugs and not well 
maintained. What we need is more cross-platform browser based 3270 emulators 
like the Mocha TN3270 chrome app.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[zMan]

>It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. The
developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat"
their own "cooking."

Silly man: assuming that there's anybody left at IBM to test anything any
more! Don't be daft. With fewer than 25K domestic employees, who's got time
to test?! Just ship it.

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 11/21/2017 8:44 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:

Two words. Vista TN3270.



One word: x3270


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[David Crayford]

On 22/11/2017 11:36 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!


This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, 
the DEL key simply does not work any more!


Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* 
serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer 
overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over 
a remote connection!)


I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded 
except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.


It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. 
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they 
don't "eat" their own "cooking." 


It's disconcerting that IBM don't seem to have automated regressions 
tests for PCOMM! A broken delete key is an absolute howler.


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

I eat the same cooking. Have not used any other emulator since Tom moseyed by 
my desk one day eons ago and said, I'd like you to try this out. I was hooked. 

But I understand the need to keep one's feet wet in different emulators. Even 
Tom did that for several reasons. Ha! I was more of purist than Tom. ;-)

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On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> Tom Brennan Vista?

We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most well-known 
emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, etc. even x3270

I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and spoon...

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/21/2017 7:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote:

Tom Brennan Vista?


We use that too (an excellent product). We use most of the most 
well-known emulators: PCOMM, Extra!, BlueZone, Hummingbird, QWS3270, 
etc. even x3270


I know Tom "eats" his own "cooking," probably with a fork, knife, and 
spoon...


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Two words. Vista TN3270. 

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key 
simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug 
than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input 
not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that 
it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. 
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" 
their own "cooking."

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Charles Mills]

Tom Brennan Vista?

Charles

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On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
>
> LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the DEL key 
simply does not work any more!

Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* serious bug 
than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer overruns i.e., input 
not accepted properly if one types too fast over a remote connection!)

I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded except that 
it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.

It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. 
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't "eat" 
their own "cooking."

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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

On 11/21/2017 6:57 PM, Tom Conley wrote:


LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!


This problem is not caused by a messed up keyboard map. Incredibly, the 
DEL key simply does not work any more!


Believe it or not, as inconvenient as it is, it's actually a *less* 
serious bug than what I had been dealing with in PCOMM 12.02. (Buffer 
overruns i.e., input not accepted properly if one types too fast over a 
remote connection!)


I was perfectly happy with PCOMM 6.x and never would have upgraded 
except that it didn't work with the Windows 10 Creators Update Edition.


It seems that IBM's testing of this product has become shoddy at best. 
The developers are PC developers and not 3270 users. Clearly they don't 
"eat" their own "cooking."


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Re: Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Tom Conley]

On 11/21/2017 4:28 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.

The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!

IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating in 
the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...





LOL that you expect a reasonable default keyboard.  WAKE UP, MAN!

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Shocking Bug in Latest PCOMM Release

[Ed Jaffe]

Just installed PCOMM 13.0. It was released November 9, 2017.

The DEL key just beeps. Doesn't delete *any* characters!

IBM's PCOMM developers must not have actual 3270 users participating in 
the their early testing. I hereby volunteer...



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