Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Hi Thank you for all the answers, I gave up this, but seems to simple to export/import the WIKI text files to PC. I say simple as I got some viruses during the WIKI/Tomact download ..., and I'm using the DATASET reference in the documentation so something instead of the DATASET reference , and the user can have a document on his PC (not online , not actual ). On 03.03.2014 13:30, Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? (In this case the user can access the mainframe only via TSO certificates) -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551 333, F: +43(2236)21081 E-mail: miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com Info: i...@isis-papyrus.com Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our brand new extended Website at www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS Papyrus accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Gotcha, missed that part of the requirement. I will however say that the wiki pages are readable text files. So one could go read the Unix filesystem directly if you knew the files you were asking for. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO) On 2014-03-03 13:30, Jousma, David wrote: We run it. Accessed via Web browser. Yes, but is that Web browser runing on the mainframe? If not, how is this considered access from a mianframe? I suppose this depends on the sense of the ambiguous prepositional adverb from, left ambiguous by the OP. Either: I can view the Orion Nebula from my back yard, or: Observing in my backyard, I can view light from the Orion Nebula. Likwise: I can view a WIKI as I work from a mainframe, or: Viewing elsewhere, I can view a WIKI served by a mainframe. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
In 4ee2851a2279b94cb70cd69b17410609b7e7b...@s1flokydce2kx01.dm0001.info53.com, on 03/04/2014 at 12:09 PM, Jousma, David david.jou...@53.com said: I will however say that the wiki pages are readable text files. And not much harder to parse than HTML. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
In 53150444.5030...@acm.org, on 03/03/2014 at 04:37 PM, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run under TSO to display the documentation on a 3270. The OP wrote In this case the user can access the mainframe only via TSO certificates. That narrows his options. I can't imagine running z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity, I've seen plenty of posts here from people who have to live with firewall rules that make their lives more difficult than necessary. Note that I am not defending such rules; I consider them to be a RPITA. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
In CAJTOO5_Mi=+d+vixawrygrnzo3q9n_yexxepe0nacgpbyu9...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/03/2014 at 02:30 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Lynx runs under Unix System Services (z/Unix). There is an OMVS shell for running Unix under TSO, but can you render wiki pages with a text browser? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Hi Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? (In this case the user can access the mainframe only via TSO certificates) -- Kind regards, / Mit freundlichen Grüßen Miklos Szigetvari Research Development ISIS Papyrus Europe AG Alter Wienerweg 12, A-2344 Maria Enzersdorf, Austria T: +43(2236) 27551 333, F: +43(2236)21081 E-mail: miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com Info: i...@isis-papyrus.com Hotline: +43-2236-27551-111 Visit our brand new extended Website at www.isis-papyrus.com --- This e-mail is only intended for the recipient and not legally binding. Unauthorised use, publication, reproduction or disclosure of the content of this e-mail is not permitted. This email has been checked for known viruses, but ISIS Papyrus accepts no responsibility for malicious or inappropriate content. --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
In 531475fd.8070...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/03/2014 at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Ouch! I can imagine such a thing. But it would really only work properly if the writer of the TSO program is an expert in how to use GDDM in order to render multiple fonts as well as GIF, PNG, or JPEG images on a TN3270 emulator which supports GDDM graphs. In my opinion, this is a serious waste of talent. I don't know what a z/OS WIKI really is. We don't host a Wiki on z/OS, although I do have a Wiki running on a blech Windows IIS box which is z/OS oriented (internal use only). Instead of a Wiki being on z/OS, I (personally) would probably just keep the Wiki entries in z/OS UNIX files in Markdown format ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ) Basically markdown is a very simple, human readable, format for documentation. It's main plus is that if it is done correctly, it is simple to render into HTML (there are programs to do this) while being perfectly readable as-is by people. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 531475fd.8070...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/03/2014 at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wasn't there something about a PASCAL programmer knowing the value of everything and the Wirth of nothing? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution, http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info. We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat package available free from our website: https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:23 PM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote: Ouch! I can imagine such a thing. But it would really only work properly if the writer of the TSO program is an expert in how to use GDDM in order to render multiple fonts as well as GIF, PNG, or JPEG images on a TN3270 emulator which supports GDDM graphs. In my opinion, this is a serious waste of talent. I don't know what a z/OS WIKI really is. We don't host a Wiki on z/OS, although I do have a Wiki running on a blech Windows IIS box which is z/OS oriented (internal use only). Instead of a Wiki being on z/OS, I (personally) would probably just keep the Wiki entries in z/OS UNIX files in Markdown format ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown ) Basically markdown is a very simple, human readable, format for documentation. It's main plus is that if it is done correctly, it is simple to render into HTML (there are programs to do this) while being perfectly readable as-is by people. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 531475fd.8070...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/03/2014 at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Wasn't there something about a PASCAL programmer knowing the value of everything and the Wirth of nothing? Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:31:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution, http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info. We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat package available free from our website: https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Lynx runs under Unix System Services (z/Unix). On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In 531475fd.8070...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/03/2014 at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
You could try the Wikipedia XML interface to extract data thru the internet. If that doesn't provide the functionality you need, then Wikipedia, mediawiki and probably other products have WIKI API's. See if one of those API's is compatible with z/OS and provides the information you need. Jon Perryman. - Original Message - From: Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
On 2014-03-03 13:30, Jousma, David wrote: We run it. Accessed via Web browser. Yes, but is that Web browser runing on the mainframe? If not, how is this considered access from a mianframe? I suppose this depends on the sense of the ambiguous prepositional adverb from, left ambiguous by the OP. Either: I can view the Orion Nebula from my back yard, or: Observing in my backyard, I can view light from the Orion Nebula. Likwise: I can view a WIKI as I work from a mainframe, or: Viewing elsewhere, I can view a WIKI served by a mainframe. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
On 03/03/2014 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 531475fd.8070...@isis-papyrus.com, on 03/03/2014 at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari miklos.szigetv...@isis-papyrus.com said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run under TSO to display the documentation on a 3270. I can't imagine running z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity, especially since TSO 3270 access these days usually uses a 3270 emulator on a workstation platform and TN3270 over TCP/IP, and if workstation browser access to a mainframe web server is broken, TSO access is probably dead also. Even at our DR exercises LAN connectivity to laptops and desktops was always available early in the game. Copies of any documentation needed to get z/OS and TCP/IP up should always be in some form (memory sticks, smart phones, CD/DVD, external hard drives, or in hard copy) where it can be accessed without z/OS. It makes sense to keep the authoritative current documentation for z/OS on the z/OS platform itself, but this doesn't preclude keeping copies on alternate media/platforms and in forms that are adequate to get z/OS with TCP/IP up and functional. Once z/OS is functional, it makes no sense to disallow or not require that browsers on other platforms better suited to rendering graphics and decent fonts be the mode of access. If the desire is to keep all that documentation in a wiki database on z/OS, there are surely utilities that can export the wiki database from z/OS in some form that would satisfy the emergency availability requirements. For that matter it probably wouldn't be that difficult with a laptop running some flavor of Linux to configure it to run a web server with wiki support and provide for it to re-sync its database to the z/OS wiki database with appropriate frequency. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
Sorry Gil, I was following list standards and throwing out information that didn't really answer the OP's question :-) JspWiki (and all Wikis that I am aware of) are HTML / web applications. I don't know of a web browser client that runs under TSO (or why that is an idea worth consideration :-) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 13:31:02 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: If you are looking for a nice free z/OS Wiki solution, http://jspwiki.apache.org/ runs pretty well under Tomcat on z/OS. I have heard of several shops that use it to maintain z/OS maintenance info. We did a SHARE z/OS Tomcat lab years ago (2006-2007) where one of the exercises was setting up JspWiki. We have a z/OS-centric Apache Tomcat package available free from our website: https://dovetail.com/products/tomcat.html Does this use a 327x as a display, or operate as an X11 client with your choice of server on desktop? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS WIKI access from a mianframe (TSO)
On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:59:53 -0600, Kirk Wolf wrote: Sorry Gil, I was following list standards and throwing out information that didn't really answer the OP's question :-) Thanks. We need more adherence to standards. JspWiki (and all Wikis that I am aware of) are HTML / web applications. I don't know of a web browser client that runs under TSO (or why that is an idea worth consideration :-) Lynx (mentioned earlier). Was a coding exercise for me (and a reaffirmation that EBCDIC is a PITA. Has anyone else taken up the banner?) Lynx is Javascript-ignorant; code page restricted, and requires plugins for any graphics or audio resources. May be practical on other platforms; surely not on z/OS. It interfaces nicely (nichely?) to Braille and audio output devices. And, it interfaces nicely to the moribund Publibz and LOOKAT. On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:37:56 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: On 03/03/2014 11:27 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: at 01:30 PM, Miklos Szigetvari said: Is it possible to access the z/OS WIKI from a mainframe application ? The real question is whether there is a browser that will run under TSO and render a z/OS wiki page on a 3270; simple access should not be an issue. Shmuel was simply taking a plausible, though less likely, interpretation of the OP's question. I see no reason to require that there be a browser that would run under TSO to display the documentation on a 3270. I can't imagine running z/OS these days without TCP/IP connectivity, especially since TSO 3270 access these days usually uses a 3270 emulator on a workstation platform and TN3270 over TCP/IP, and if workstation browser access to a mainframe web server is broken, TSO access is probably dead also. Even at our DR exercises LAN connectivity to laptops and desktops was always available early in the game. Some of our test systems are so limited; I don't know whether for economic or other reasons. I have needed to move data sets to them via shared DASD because FTP is unavailable. Terminal access may be available via VTAM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
