Re: [Ilugc] Question about. Fedora

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Sankara Mahadevan
 wrote:
>
> I have installed Fedora 22. Whenever I play audios and videos it throughs
> an error. The player not supported this files.
> I try to install players. But it has a same error. It tries from both GUI
> and command line , but seems error.
> I try to update the fedora 22. It also seems error .how I fix this issue.
> Please help with this.

Your original email does not provide much detail about the file types
which invoke the error as well as the player(s) you are using. I am
guessing <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems>
is the page you should read

<https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/Installation_Guide/chap-preparing-for-installation.html#sect-preparing-upgrade-or-install>
provides some detail around the upgrade paths and methods.

Also, the <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/india> is
a mailing list to subscribe to if you'd like to participate in the
Fedora community.


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Re: [Ilugc] Are Indian FOSS communities closed-source ?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

es. At other instances you prefer a "for India"
implementation. LWN.net would not be averse to listing the events. It
requires actual people to do the listing. They do not happen by
sprinkling magic pixie dust in air. The catch is that there aren't
actual people willing to do this.

> I was not talking about the upstreams of projects, I was talking more of
> lateral integration as in getting more people in your community as well
> as talking to other communities per-se.

Please provide an example to demonstrate what is it that you see as a gap.

>
>> This discussion can be of material interest only if there is enough
>> specific examples discussed (with names redacted, if required) and
>> thereafter conclusions drawn.
>>
>
> I don't want to go there as this will just in-flame the issue more.

Then don't make statements which you don't want to back up with
citations. It would help in more ways than you can imagine.


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Re: [Ilugc] Are Indian FOSS communities closed-source ?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 8:41 PM, pavithran  wrote:
> Here are some points about community problems
> a. Factionalism
> b. Cabalism (or simply Cabals)
> As have been part of both parts do understand that both factions and
> cabals start with good intentions but sometimes later warp beyond
> recognition.
> Next he goes on to say
>
> c. No communication, Mis-communication
> d. Fragmented content with contradictory messages.
> The above two I have also seen time and again as a ‘feature’ of the
> Indian FOSS community at large where most communities in India don’t
> really communicate to other FOSS communities or world at large or are
> pretty bad at things.

At the time this post was originally circulated on a list I had
reached out to the author with a request to provide a set of examples
which illustrate the problems he perceives. The pair of instances
cited in the post [(a) no calendaring and (b) not enough developer
interest in defect reports] do not seem to add up to the specific
problems that are being drawn. In fact, it is egregious to pass off an
anecdote_of_one as a general perception.

The author has been a participant in various communities over a period
of time. And is well aware that the question of "calendar for FOSS
events" comes up in a cyclical manner. However, it is also somewhat
painfully obvious that no one has taken the time to publish a set of
requirements such a calendar/system would have. That single act (of
'product management') would have provided the jump-off point for
college students or, similar (recall that PLUG generally organizes the
monthly meetings at SICSR) to consider a prototype implementation.
Having said that, the author also chooses to ignore that across Pune
and other cities, the general purpose (user) groups viz. LUGs and like
are being supplanted by niche/specialized meetups. One can see this
trend in the increasing number of groups being lit up on services like
meetup.com. An oft quoted statement around the FOSS model of software
development is "scratch your own itch". I am somewhat bewildered that
the author has chosen to not consider putting the absence of a
calendar in that context and attempted to devise an understanding of
what it means in terms of a "maker approach".

Without specific example of "cabals", it would be somewhat difficult
to paint an entire generation/group of participants to be prolific
members of secret coteries. To the last point of "no communication" I
would put forward that this is an orthogonal comprehension of
community growth and the model around community formation. Communities
do not talk with communities, people do. And across India there are
enough examples of individuals (participants and contributors) who
work within the upstreams of their projects, laterally across projects
of their own interest and within their own community around the
geographical location.

This discussion can be of material interest only if there is enough
specific examples discussed (with names redacted, if required) and
thereafter conclusions drawn.


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Re: [Ilugc] Free/Open Source machine translation

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> Just now found a Free/Open Source machine translation tool.
>
> https://www.apertium.org
>
> Wikipedia started to use this.
> http://the-digital-reader.com/2015/01/12/wikipedia-expands-auto-translate-feature/
>
>
> Can anyone explore this and check the possibilities of adding tamil to this?

<http://www.ldcil.org/up/conferences/morph/presentations/CIIL-Paramesh-paper1%20[Compatibility%20Mode].pdf>
and further context (somewhat dated)
<http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.nlp.apertium/2368>


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Re: [Ilugc] compizconfig_re

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:52 AM, mani maran  wrote:
> I have installed compiz plugins from Synaptic Package Manager. But not burn
> command.

Is this the same issue as described at
<http://askubuntu.com/questions/458917/compiz-extra-animations-download-ubuntu-14-04-not-working-burning-animations-e>
>, especially 
><http://askubuntu.com/questions/458917/compiz-extra-animations-download-ubuntu-14-04-not-working-burning-animations-e#comment667052_458917>
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Re: [Ilugc] Clever software, probably in the wrong hands

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Vikas Tara  wrote:
> Nice piece of work, I just don't really trust the owner..
>
> http://gizmodo.com/the-fbi-just-finished-its-insane-new-facial-recognition-1634851705
>
> But as we know, every action has an equal and opposite reaction :)
>
> http://www.urmesurveillance.com/urme-prosthetic/

It is interesting, indeed. However, without additional context it
would be difficult to appreciate the topical relevance.


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Re: [Ilugc] Visiting Chennai

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Ajeya Anand  wrote:
> I do not understand why the public funded BOSS distribution, or Linux
> distro used in Kerala IT mission cannot be scaled and contributed by the
> Indian FOSS community ?

<http://www.theopensourceway.org/wiki/How_to_tell_if_a_FLOSS_project_is_doomed_to_FAIL>
is a good place to start when attempting to understand why a robust
and sustainable community hasn't grown up around everything.


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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil font_reg

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM, mani maran  wrote:
> I am using Kile editot, But When I type tamil font. I did not get any
> output.

I am not sure I understand. Would it be possible for you to provide
more detail? For example, the operating system/platform, version of
Kile, detail of the Tamil font and installation method, how did you
enable input in Tamil?


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Re: [Ilugc] OpenVPN Community Edition

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:20 PM, arunkumar s  wrote:
> I am trying to create a VPN network for my office with 100+ employees in
> various location using *OpenVPN Community Edition*.Need some advice in
> configuring it we are already using OpenVPN AS need to shift it to
> community edition.

You don't specifically mention the issues which require attention. It
would be difficult for the readers on the list to provide input.


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Re: [Ilugc] 2 Factor authentication

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Sathya Narayanan  wrote:
> We need 2 factor auth not by just entering the pin, but to dail a phone
> number and confirming.

This is possibly a multi-step verification rather than 2-factor
authentication. Multi-factor authentication is essentially a 2 out of
3 approach of the following - (i) something the end user has; (ii)
something the end user knows; and (iii) something that only the end
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[Ilugc] "Fedora i18n: Past, Present, Future" by Jens Petersen

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

For those taking their first steps in language technologies or, for
those who would want to understand how distributions plan out language
technology pieces, this talk is highly recommended.
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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN-Villupuram] Kochadaiyan - Blender Remake

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Prasanna Venkadesh 
> Date: 2014-07-23 16:18 GMT+05:30
> Subject: [FSFTN-Villupuram] Kochadaiyan - Blender Remake
> To: puduvailug 
> Cc: "fsftn-villupu...@googlegroups.com" ,
> "mailingl...@fsftn.org" 
>
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Just found this video online. This is how we need to take Free Software to
> people.
>
> Check this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni3rkBYHulU

If you have contacts with the animation studio who developed/produced
this segment, please ask them to fix the spelling of "proprietary" at
0:10/0:11 into the sequence.


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Re: [Ilugc] [puduvailug] Event Report - Documentary Screening of "The Internet's Own Boy - The Story of Aaron Swartz"

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Manokaran K  wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Shakthi Kannan  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> --- On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 11:11 PM, Prashant Kodali
>>  wrote:
>> | Free Software Foundation Tamil Nadu in association with ThoughtWorks
>> | Chennai screened the documentary "The Internet's Own Boy - The Story
>> | of Aaron Swartz"
>> \--
>>
>> >From whom did you get permission to screen the movie?
>>
>
>
> Would it not be ironic to ask for 'permission' to screen a movie on
> Aaron Swartz?

I find it interesting that 'ironic' is being used more frequently [1]
Shakthi has a valid question -
<https://archive.org/details/TheInternetsOwnBoyTheStoryOfAaronSwartz>
does not explicitly mention anything about screening for a general
audience. The movie itself is available for download under
<http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/> which has its own
set of "things you can do".


[1] <http://lists.smc.org.in/pipermail/discuss-smc.org.in/2014-July/055982.html>


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Re: [Ilugc] How to get a computer science job? - For Freshers

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> I have shared my thoughts on why it is tough for a fresh computer science
> student to get a job and what they can do to enter in job market.
>
> It is in Tami. Read I here.
>
> http://www.kaniyam.com/how-to-get-a-computer-science-job/
>
> Share here if we can add more points to the article.

I realize and appreciate that there is great value in having such an
article in Tamil. Can I trouble you with providing a quick summary (in
English) of the points?


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Re: [Ilugc] Proprietary Product Company as a sponsor of FOSS event

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 4:33 PM, Avinash Sonawane  wrote:

> 1) To have a proprietary product company as a sponsor of FOSS event is
> it morally right? I mean there will be banners, flyers of that
> proprietary company all over the venue. In an event we are promoting
> FOSS and on a venue we are promoting/marketing proprietary product
> company. Isn't it contradictory behaviour?
>
> But if we deny the sponsorship aren't we depriving that proprietary
> company of doing a noble deed (of supporting a FOSS event)?

While I wonder whether supporting a FOSS event is a "noble deed", it
would be nicer if you can provide examples of companies that match
your definition of a proprietary product company.

> 2) What about proprietary *service* company?  I mean the one which
> serves it's client with say system administration or building a dbms
> system (which is closed source suppose) for the client e.g. Infosys
> (http://www.infosys.com/), Wipro (www.wipro.com), Persistent
> (www.persistent.com) etc. Is it something different with the
> proprietary service company compared to proprietary product company?

This of course means that you assume that the companies you list [i]
do not use an FOSS stacks for their services deployment/consultancy
[ii] do not contribute to any FOSS project [iii] do not see value in
encouraging an ecosystem by contributing in as many forms as possible.

I would be interested in understanding why you see it that way.


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Re: [Ilugc] Hi all, How do i install and configure RHN Satellite Server?

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Ravi Chandran  wrote:
> --
> Email: rav.ado...@gmail.com
> Mobile no: 919944533570

Since you haven't specifically mentioned the version etc. do have a
look at <https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Satellite/>
Hopefully, any additional queries will have listed solutions at
<https://access.redhat.com/site/knowledgebase>

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Re: [Ilugc] HUS 110 SAN storage issue

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Suresh Godaba  wrote:
> We are using SAN for multiple servers, now the LUN disconnecting when the 
> server reboots, also unable to add a new LUN to the servers.
>
> Not in a position get the "iqn"
>
> If we upgrade the firmware does the problem will be fix.

It would help readers of your email if you could provide:

+ vendor-make-model of the SAN; firmware version
+ OS being used in your architecture

as a starting point.

The other option is to check the documentation for your SAN hardware
manufacturer for the specific Error Code/Error Message and proceed
from there.

Either way, without a description of the system that throws the error,
it would be guess-work.


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Re: [Ilugc] How to Create RPM in solaris server

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 12:19 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> But that information is not forthcoming from the OP.

Yes. Sadly, this has been a bit of a trend on this list lately. Not
enough data/information to be able to provide a response that is
useful. Playing 20 questions over email is a task for the patient :)


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Re: [Ilugc] How to Create RPM in solaris server

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 3:43 PM, madhusudhanan Elangovan
 wrote:
> Thanks all for your suggestions. My Target stack is a mix of solaris, linux
> vm's . So i need a single jenkins job for a project release to do the build
> and create packages for solaris and linux VM's . I've used .pkg for solaris
> and RPM for linux , so far i've been using two build servers solaris and
> RHEL to build RPM's and solaris package respectively.  But having a single
> server to create both RPM's and Solaris package would help me to remove the
> Linux server and save some cost.

This has more information. That is useful. If I understand the above
correctly, you do have a single CI job that uses two different build
systems to generate the appropriate packages/package_format. In a
separate response you mention that this is a Java application. That
you do care about proper packaging/package format would indicate that
you want to stick to the native packaging system for your target
deployments. In that context, Shakthi has provided an important input
- doing native builds will help you derive greater value from
packaging/deployment/administration and also help in debugging causes
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Re: [Ilugc] How to Create RPM in solaris server

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Saturday, March 22, 2014, Arun Khan  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:33 PM, madhusudhanan Elangovan
> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > Did anyone tried to create rpm in solaris server.  I have a
> > need where i need to create RPM in Solaris 10 10/08 s10x_u6wos_07b X86
> > server and this RPM should be installable in RHEL and Centos linux.
> Kindly
> > provide the steps you followed to achieve this.
> >
>
> IMO, since the said RPMs are targeted for CentOS/RHEL, it would best
> to build the RPM on a CentOS/RHEL platform itself.
> In VBox or LKVM guest, you can install a "Development" type desktop,
> it will have all the tools needed to build the RPMs.
>
>
I would rather try and understand why it has to be built on Solaris. There
exist pretty robust build tool methods which work perfectly well on Linux.


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Re: [Ilugc] Managing kernel-updates in rpm

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Saket Sinha  wrote:
> Now this is very cumbersome and we plan to replace it with installing
> a yum plugin through our rpm which allows user to update the kernel
> level dependencies.

You have not provided much data along the lines of kernels being
targeted or, so forth. However, is this not the functionality that is
now built-in to yum (and was previously available via the yum-kmod
plugin)?

I am assuming that for installation of packages and handling of
dependencies your workflow invokes the package manager rather than RPM
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Re: [Ilugc] [Project-Idea] Online games to learn Tamil Typing

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On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> In the last weekend, Tamil wikipedia 10th year anniversary meet,
> we felt that we need to increase the awareness of Tamil99 typing
> to make more people type in Tamil easily.

Developing exercises similar to how gtypist has for various keyboard
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Re: [Ilugc] [[ Good Read ]] French National Police Switch 37, 000 Desktop PCs to Linux

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Sahil ModGill
 wrote:

> Yes, I agree there are plenty of students and professionals who are
> contributing to Open Source projects but the ratio is very less in numbers.
> But my context was to implement this in schools, colleges and universities
> so that they can start from an early stage. Correct me if I am wrong.

And, 
<http://student.yourstory.in/2013/10/how-the-student-community-in-west-bengal-is-fostering-the-growth-of-startups-and-open-source-culture/>
My point being that you don't need to wait for the curricula to change
to bring about awareness and participation. Catch hold of Kushal
sometime and you'll realize what it takes (hint: it takes an
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Re: [Ilugc] [[ Good Read ]] French National Police Switch 37, 000 Desktop PCs to Linux

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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Sahil ModGill
 wrote:
> But I have not seen any educational institute or any University in Northern
> India which is following FOSS strategy and implementing FOSS in their
> enterprise.

I would like to request you to explain a bit more about what you mean
by "FOSS strategy". What is your expectation from such a strategy and
its implementation?

> Snippet from LinuxCon video which I shared last time:
> *" A university professor from Czech-Republic made all their students get a
> patch merge into the kernel. That was one of their assignments. We got
> about 20 different patches and about 5 of them said that this is really
> easy. It was not hard at all. Thank you very much for letting me get a good
> grade and I am gonna keep doing it. That was great. That Prof. did a
> wonderful job."**- Greg Kroah-Hartman*
> *
> *
> Wondering, is it possible in Indian education system?

You can see this happening already. There are a significant number of
KDE, GNOME contributors who are students and, are building features,
fixing bugs in the applications.


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Re: [Ilugc] [Inspiring] Good read for newcomers...

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Sahil ModGill
 wrote:
> I feel good and happy when I see a young mind contributing in Open Source
> unless Indian students are mad about TCS, Wipro, Infosys et. al.

There are a couple of bits that need to be cleared up.

[1] there is a growing number of young students who are interested in
picking up skills that help them use and contribute to upstream Free
and Open Source projects. While Google Summer of Code has certainly
stimulated this growth, the increasing number of hackathons, meetups
and, dev-camps have provided the environment in which quick hacks can
lead to interesting outcomes

[2] a good number of the above are moving away from traditional UGs
(perhaps because LUGs in India are often perceived to be "help me
install software or, configure hardware" social forums)

[3] the TWITCH group companies that you mention above are involved
both as consumers of Open Source as well as being contributors.


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Re: [Ilugc] Distro release cycle

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Mohan R  wrote:
> Its
> perfectly suitable for developers who don't want to reinstall their
> hard-to-find-library-packages again-and-again.

This is an interesting point. And, I'd like to understand how often do
you have libraries which are not packaged and available in your
distribution. Is it more of a specific version or, there is a lack of
packaged software?


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Re: [Ilugc] Request for seminar on 'Free tools in Software Engineering'

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Sundaram KR
 wrote:
> The problem arises when we start assuming things. The original email is 
> addressed to Mr. Baskar in his Linuxpert Systems mailing list; not the ilugc 
> mailing list. So when Baskar asks for help, one would normally assume he 
> wants help to conduct on behalf of LinuxPert Systems only, not this list. 
> There is nothing wrong in doing this, but clarity was missing.

I think I am going to call this one out.

[1] The faculty member wrote to Baskar on his email address. I
couldn't figure how it can be construed as "his Linuxpert Systems
mailing list"

[2] It is somewhat reasonable to formulate a hypothesis that Baskar's
email is widely available because (a) he has been conducting these
events and, (b) perhaps it is search engine friendly


> Now, in Baskar's reply he says " ...cannot be handled by me or by my 
> company,...If anyone does, it will be 'on behalf of ILUG-C' only."
>
> 
>
> See? Our assumption was wrong. Why this restriction for anybody else to 
> conduct only on behalf of ilugc? On what basis is Baskar placing this 
> restriction on others in this list?

I actually believe that Baskar's response "on behalf ..." is
redundant. Person A writes to Person B, Person A writes to a wider
forum and asks an interested individual to respond to him. Till this
step, there is no indication that Person A desires to make a
commercial enterprise out of it (even if Person A has a commercial
business catering to a similar domain). It is often seen in daily life
that people asking "let me know and, I'll introduce you to them".

If you do have a specific question about the instance, it would
perhaps been better to take it off list and receive assurances.


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Re: [Ilugc] Request for seminar on 'Free tools in Software Engineering'

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Sundaram KR
 wrote:
> That is not the question I asked - about how you are going to post, after the 
> seminar. For this particular workshop, you asked for others to contact you 
> off-list, without mentioning whether this particular workshop is being 
> planned on behalf of ilugc or your company. Like Thyagarajan said, your 
> emails are not clear about your intentions.
>
> So my question again: "Is this particular seminar conducted on behalf of 
> ilugc or your company?"

The original email (which includes the forward) uses the phrase "we
want to conduct a seminar" and, is signed off by a faculty member. Is
it difficult to assume that the email was forwarded to ask if someone
would be interested in conducting the seminar at the institution?


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Re: [Ilugc] Distro release cycle

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Priyanka Sarkar  wrote:
> We thought of coming up a good story on the distro release time span.
> Our question is 'With many distros going for a six-monthly release
> cycle, do you think the release cycles of distros are too short? (And
> users don't have to upgrade on a frequent basis?) '
>
> What do you think on this? Would really appreciate if you share your
> views elaborately.

While other distributions will have a documented rationale behind the
release cycle, here's what The Fedora Project states "The Fedora
Project releases a new version of Fedora approximately every 6 months
and provides updated packages (maintenance) to these releases for
approximately 13 months. This allows users to "skip a release" while
still being able to always have a system that is still receiving
updates." (from:
<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Life_Cycle>)

Further on, in the same link

"Fedora generally develops new releases over a six month period to
provide a regular and predictable release schedule. The bi-annual
targeted release dates are May Day (May 1st) and Halloween (October
31) making them easy to remember and avoiding significant holiday
breaks. Changes to this standard must be approved by the
community-elected Fedora Engineering Steering Committee (FESCo).

A six month release schedule also follows the precedence of Red Hat
Linux (precursor to Fedora). Former Red Hat software engineer Havoc
Pennington offers a historical perspective here
(<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.advisory-board/1475/>).
GNOME started following a time based release based on the ideas and
success of Red Hat Linux and other distributions following Fedora
having adopted a similar release cycle. Several other major
components, including the Linux kernel, Openoffice.org, Xorg, have
started following a time based release schedule. While the exact
release schedules vary between these components and other upstream
projects, the interactions between these components and Fedora makes a
six month time based release schedule a good balance."



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Re: [Ilugc] Creating a facebook group for ilugc

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On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> 1. Many ILUGC members have fear on posting to mailing list. They have told
> many times to me in person. They may have to learn many guidelines. They
> feel that facebook has no guidelines.

I see a few issues interlinked.

New participants in Free and Open Source Software are in a way getting
drawn into specialized niches. As an explanation, there are enough
programming language specific groups/sub-groups where a new
participant finds interesting issues to dive into or, ask.

Facebook/G+ are gradually making a move to be the "one single page"
for any user. By which I mean that irrespective of the hardware
platform being used (desktop, mobile), the social networks tend to be
the firehose of information (and, sometimes of discussion)

Requiring to learn guidelines to undertake an activity should not be
the cause for fear. A lot of activities that one does eg, driving a
car, operating a machinery, buying/selling goods/products, creating
software applications/services need the operator to be aware of
guidelines and instructions. At some point I fear that "the mailing
list guidelines are too rigid" is a very easy throwaway excuse. Having
being around long enough to have seen (and, be the recipient of)
various mailing list guidelines hammers, I can safely say that the
user group lists are far more welcome and tolerant. In fact, they go
out of their way to help an individual learn how to clearly articulate
their issues. It is indeed the case that English may not be the
language we are most proficient in, however, it is the language that
is most used when communicating on various platforms. To be able to
acquire skills to communicate virtually is not something that is a
cheap skill of no obvious use.

Having said all of the above, I would request that you consider
different platforms like Askbot for example, instead of having the
content locked into a FB/G+ group. There will be some content
generated and, having forums where a structured Q&A is possible
ensures that the new participants can also feel encouraged to become
regular contributors.


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Re: [Ilugc] RHEL on render farms

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On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:51 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
> Spinning off a new thread.
>
> On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:25 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
>  wrote:
>>
>> But few know Redhat has been driving HPC for a while now on which
>> render farms run and which is sorta primary requirement for
>> visualization.
>
> Please cite some examples.   I am interested.   IIRC, Rhythm & Hues
> have their own distro (customized openSUSE) geared for all the
> animation / vfx apps available on the Linux platform

<http://www.redhat.com/promo/dreamworks/>

"Today, DreamWorks Animation uses Red Hat Enterprise MRG, a
next-generation infrastructure that incorporates messaging, real-time
optimization, and grid functionality. "The render farm is a shared
pool of resources that services all of the movies in production at any
given time. It is instrumental in how we provide massively parallel
computing resources and re-allocate those resources dynamically for
our artists," Carstensen said. "We run millions of jobs per week and
MRG has done a fantastic job of scaling to our demand and providing
the key features for our animation production pipeline." More
specifically, the grid middleware had to find the best resources for a
job, and dispatch that job, all while maintaining very high
utilization. "Between servers and workstations we have more than 4,000
systems, each of which has to operate at peak utilization 24x7x365,"
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Re: [Ilugc] update is not working

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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:58 AM, anwar latiff  wrote:
> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:
>  syntax error: unknown group 'root' in statoverride file

^^^ have you looked at that file?


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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Fwd: [மொசில்லா தமிழ்] First update for Firefox in Tamil since Firefox 5

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
> Congratulations Tamil team, you've produced the first up-to-date version of
> Firefox in Tamil since Firefox 5! In approximately 2.5 weeks, this release
> will move from Beta to the more widely distributed Release channel.

Nice. During the regular meetings of the LUG and, at other places
where it can be pitched, would you consider insisting that users give
the build a try? Feedback is essential to keep the process going.


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Re: [Ilugc] GPL Licensing terms -

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

Caveat: I am not a lawyer. So, nothing in my reply should be construed
as advice from a person practising law.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:48 PM, S Suresh  wrote:

> 1)
>
> Installing & supporting the opensource software (majorly GPLv3 licence,
> GPLv2, apache, other licences too) to the customer , is it legal?
> Here support means - configuration & admistration support?

What you are planning to do is engaging in a service provider
agreement with the customer where the scope of the contract/agreement
includes installing specific software, configuring it according to the
production environment and, providing support for administering. This
has specifically nothing much to do with GPL (or, any other license
that your software stack will have).

<http://opensource.org/faq#commercial>

> 2)
> Customizing the opensource software. (Note: I will send the customization
> to the software mailing group. Here the group may reject this or take this
> or put on hold to make it on official delivery)
> But, still i can use the customized software  to my customer?
> And install & support the customized software to customer?
>
> Is it legal?

The answer to this depends on the definition of "customization".
<http://opensource.org/faq#linking-proprietary-code> would be a link
that would be useful.

However, if your contract with the client does not prohibit it, you
are always welcome to put your patches to the upstream project and,
follow their processes for making it a part of a future release.

If you customer is intending to provide the software to others ie. you
are an application developer providing services to a client who
desires to make a commercial offering from the combined product
(application+custom_patches) then you'd want to read the FAQ I've
linked to.

> 3) Writing documentation for the usage of opensource software and share it
> with customers?
>
> Making money out of those items (1,2,3) , is it legal?

Yes. Again this is a services agreement ie. documentation services.


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Re: [Ilugc] poroposal of adding mailing list guidelines to the end of each mail

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On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:06 AM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> i propose the list maintainers to add this line
> http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines/ at the end of every mail that goes
> out of this mailing list ,so that people cannot escape with an excuse that
> they did not know about it .

I agree with this in context of such a step would increase awareness
about the guidelines. Adhering to them is another matter and, has
always been a point of contention over the years that I've been on
various lists. There was a corridor discussion at GNUnify (~2 years
back) about the utility of turning the guidelines of mailing lists
into a translation ready piece and then linking to a page with the
guidelines in the various languages. I don't really know if that would
be useful to do.


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Re: [Ilugc] Open Weekends | Day 2 Hackathon

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On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Dwaraka Nath  wrote:
> Plivo has come forward to sponsor the event. They want developers who can 
> make Firefox OS apps for their web telephony services. The one who makes the 
> best app goes away with awesome perks!

[0] when you announce something that reads like a competition, it
would nice to link to T&C
[1] why is the word "perks" used? It usually means "Money, goods, or
other benefit to which one is entitled as an employee or as a
shareholder of a company"


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Why Our Country Lacking Enterprenuers Like Mark Zuckerburg ?

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:27 PM, steve  wrote:
> That said, there are a few realities that are specific to India which act as
> deterrents or disadvantages toward entrepreneurship in India.

And, at the same time, the last 5 years have demonstrated a
willingness of a large number of individuals (of all ages) to attempt
to develop a business away from the "I'll get a job" model. I find
that reassuring because  it indicates that slowly (even if it is more
slowly than we'd like) the ability to take a chance is being built.

The part from the article with which I disagree is that it tends to
conclude that education is a means to an end. Education is, and mostly
has been a guide - a pointer to further ways of development.
Unfortunately, like all other things, it has morphed into an entity
which is measured by marks on the score-card.


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Re: [Ilugc] Need help

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Saravanan Devasagayam
 wrote:
> Dont work "crontap" job but thats work on terminal in ubuntu anybody help
> please

You will have to provide more detail than above.


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Re: [Ilugc] [Link] Code quality - Open source vs. Proprietary software

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On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:
> Excuse me. IT should be 0%.

You are correct. It should be. However, it often isn't. What does
happen is that with closed source software you default to trusting
that the vendor has done everything right. The fact that you do not
have access to the source code can encourage and provide incentive for
ugly code flows.

> It means that open source community is "passable" or IOW is worse

The difference between that and open source is that you have access to
the source code. There are vendors who analyse application source code
(Coverity, Blackduck etc) and, you can choose to undertake
investigation yourself if you are competent, capable and know what you
are doing. The fact that code that is pushed to a publicly available
repository is "forever on the internet" is a remarkable motivator to
do things the right way or, at least tell people that you have a piece
that is currently ugly but will be revised. So, the evolution from
"passable" to beautiful is transparent and collaborative.

Now, the question remains around which model of software development
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Re: [Ilugc] Opinion solicited for a story idea

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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Priyanka Sarkar  wrote:
> For our next edition, we are planning to come up with a story on '*What
> Takes To Be a FOSS Expert'?*

In his book Outliers (<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)>)
Malcolm Gladwell proposed the 10,000 hour rule "claiming that the key
to success in any field is, to a large extent, a matter of practicing
a specific task for a total of around 10,000 hours."

However, to aspire to be an expert one needs to take the first step
towards that goal. So, it takes the first step towards contributing to
an open source project and participating in an open source community
to be set towards becoming an expert.

Now, Gladwell may have been correct or, totally wrong. However, Karl
Fogel has a reasonably interesting book
<http://producingoss.com/en/index.html> which lays out things to get
familiar with should one try to begin to contribute to open source
software. A beginner should pick a project/tool/application/service
(s)he loves and, if the selection has an open source community, get
involved by asking smart questions about where one can begin to
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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Ashwin Dixit  wrote:

> Why not choose FreeBSD for that matter?

You can. As long as you can get application vendors to certify against
FreeBSD with the release cycle cadence.

> 1. Fragmented package managers: There are too many different package
> managers and package formats. e.g., rpm and pkg
> Choosing one distribution eliminates that confusion.

Or, it locks you down to a choice you made attempting to solve the
problems in *now* timespace.

> 2. Application compatibility: We want to catalyze the application
> ecosystem. We want applications to run everywhere without hassle.
> The national distribution will help that goal.

Again, it will not. Application vendors want to limit the lines of
distributions they certify against. Certification is expensive,
time-consuming. Adding a new distribution/line-item is frowned upon.

Both large and small ISVs provide archives, debs and rpms of the
package. Some bundle in their own installer.

> 3. Domestic security audit: The whole point of creating the national distro
> is so that Indian programmers can vet the Ubuntu source-code for
> vulnerabilities.
> It's not that we don't trust the international community. Pragmatically
> speaking, domestic due diligence is necessary with any technologies we
> adopt.

To undertake a domestic security audit you will first require a
domestic security guide. Once you have that guide - it is a matter of
interest for distributions to comply with it.

> 4. Scope for future internationalization of applications. I want to see
> applications internationalized and reused in China, and India, and
> elsewhere.
> If we're all using Ubuntu, and following the same I18N practices, this goal
> is achievable.

i18n and l10n works best when it is upstream. If you create a silo,
what you get is what happened with BOSSLinux - a very fine, well
funded private garden of contributions.

> 5. Reduce government waste:  The government, trying to create indirect
> incentives for adoption of OSS will make a bureaucratic mess of things.
> Having an unambiguous standard, codified in the form of the national
> distribution, may be the more efficient way.

A standard/guide/policy is not equivalent to a national distribution.

> Hence, I conclude: "One distribution to bind them all!"

Hmm...


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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Suggestion

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On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:04 AM, jaya kumar  wrote:
> Some people dont have time to attend Ilugc meetings, and they dont have
> time. For them atleast why cant we use to share Webex Recording sessions .
> Those who are active in ILUGC can please record their sessions through
> webex and share their webex recordings to lug members ...

G+ Hangouts on air (on YouTube!) are another option.


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:33 PM, Ganesha Computes
 wrote:
> While creating a national Linux distribution is an expensive and complex
> task, IMHO the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
> It's hard, not impossible!

Creating a distribution/spin/derivative is remarkably easy. If you
conclude as you did, then I have totally failed in my explanation. I'd
like to understand more as to why you think creating a distribution is
imperative when contrasted to creating policies, frameworks and, being
able to provide incentive for adoption of those.


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Re: [Ilugc] Why India Should Use Open-Source Software

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ganesha Computes
 wrote:
> I have compiled an outline, advocating the use of Open-Source Software.
> This list could be used by anyone wishing to make a case for Open-Source
> Software.
> You might not agree with all of it, but I would like to hear your views.
>
> Please help me improve this further:
>
> http://ownlifeful.blogspot.com/2013/04/india-and-open-source-software.html

You write

"How should India use Open-Source Software?


1. Create a national Operating System distribution derived from Ubuntu Linux.

2. Mandate the use of the national distribution for all branches of
government, and in public education.

3. Teach only non-proprietary programming languages in the Computer
Science curriculum."

We had a discussion on #1 which didn't see much participation from
you. For the rest, you may also want to read
<http://www.dwheeler.com/oss_fs_why.html>

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Re: [Ilugc] Open Source: A Security Imperative!

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On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:28 AM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> there was a mention of one such operating system
> http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-10-09/software-services/28252646_1_drdo-saraswat-defence-research
> way
> back in 2010 .


Ah! Thank you for that link. ""We have to protect it (data)," Saraswat
said, adding, "Only way to protect it is to have a home-grown system,
the complete architecture...source code is with you and then nobody
knows what's that." He said DRDO is putting in place a dedicated team
of 50 software professionals in the Bangalore and Delhi software
development centres to accomplish the task."

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Re: [Ilugc] Akash Tablet 60$

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:
> To me it is a phantom product.   I have up signed for each release but
> never heard back :(
>
> Anyone in this list, from the aam aadmi/common man segment, laid your
> hands on the real thing?

<http://www.livemint.com/Politics/fmEi8gsOSFgOzSTFfLsw6J/Govt-almost-gives-up-on-Aakash-says-no-point-in-hardware-ob.html>
was an article that was published recently

" The government seems to have virtually given up onAakash, the $35
tablet computer that was once billed as India’s low-cost solution for
bridging the divide between digital haves and have-nots.
“Let’s not get obsessed with hardware,” human resource development
(HRD) minister M.M. Pallam Raju said on Friday. “The overall (issue)
is how we enable students. Let the students decide which device is
useful.”
It’s up to the users to choose the device they want to access content
with, said Raju, adding that the government’s role is that of an
enabler.
His remarks at a news conference in New Delhi seemed to have all but
shut the door on Aakash, a device championed by his predecessor, Kapil
Sibal, now minister for communications and information technology, who
proposed providing it at a subsidized price to students."

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Re: [Ilugc] Linus Torvalds To Join Microsoft To Head Windows 9 Project

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On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Dhastha  wrote:
>  http://itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-to-join-microsoft/
>
> Is this correct?

dated APRIL 1, 2013 ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Git web interface

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:08 AM, km  wrote:
> I have git repositories and i would like to web enable them with user
> authentication and searchable interface.
> could someone suggest such an interface

Since you've not indicated as such, would
<https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gitweb> suit your purpose?


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Re: [Ilugc] File sync between two locations

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On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM, ashwin kesavan  wrote:
> Simple rsync tool should be sufficent. It can operate over ssh and sync
> only the differences.

The advantage unison would provide over rsync is bi-directional mirroring.


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Re: [Ilugc] Inputs solicited for a story

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Karthikeyan A K  wrote:
> I would like to arrange a competition of certificated ppl against the
> ones I have picked. :-)) .

And, what would that prove ?

Truly almost all IT industry certifications
> are junk. 99.999% of it . Even most people having engineering degree are
> junk. Perhaps we should rename certification program as justification
> program. I myself thought a bunch of programmers in CTS for Java
> certification and I knew it would produce junk. Just watched the
> massacre of technology / love for knowledge right in front of my eyes.

Let me clarify this line of thought you have proposed - "almost all IT
industry certifications are junk". Wherein one can infer that there is
a small slice of certifications which are not "junk". Could you point
those out ? I'm certain that they'd be interesting in context of the
article.

Now, you follow that statement with "most people having engineering
degree are junk". So, how do you validate who are not "junk" ?

> But some corporations have circumvented this junkification
> http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/rasheeda-bhagat/decoding-zohos-success/article4379158.ece

I am tempted to say "One swallow does not a summer make, nor one fine
day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a
person entirely happy." But then again, you do have the chance to
posit Zoho as the black swan.



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Re: [Ilugc] Inputs solicited for a story

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Priyanka Sarkar  wrote:

> Few weeks back, your valuable comments helped us come out with an
> interesting article on rooting one's Android device. We are back with a
> story idea and would really appreciate if you chip in and share your
> views on this. So the story idea goes like: How
> important are FOSS certifications when it comes to the job market?

When you say "FOSS Certifications" what do you mean?


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Re: [Ilugc] test driving fossacademy.org

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:15 AM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> yes i did put up a small course on the front page,

My apologies, I didn't realize at first that
<http://fossacademy.org/en/courses/4/web-is-my-school/> is a course !


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Re: [Ilugc] test driving fossacademy.org

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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:14 AM, satyaakam goswami  wrote:
> ok looks like its pretty much it , after going in loops from Khan Academy
> code to Canvas then settling down with p2pu.org code , this fork is still
> buggy i want people to pound it , especially people who are interested in
> teaching on mailing lists :-)

Two questions - [1] Would it be possible for you to put up a
sample/example course ? And, [2] When using links similar to
<http://fossacademy.org/zh-CN/> I notice that a specific small subset
of terms are translated, while the rest are in English - is that
something by design or, is it something that will evolve ?


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Re: [Ilugc] freedom toaster

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Mehul Ved  wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:42 AM, Shrinivasan T  
> wrote:
>> has anyone seen that in India?
>> how much it Will cost to setup?
>> how can we build such system with low cost?
>
> There was a discussion on this on ubuntu-in, a few years ago, when it
> was first launched. Not sure if it was setup anywhere in India though.

<http://www.zyxware.com/articles/2008/09/01/zyxware-announces-launch-of-indias-first-freedom-toaster>


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Re: [Ilugc] Review W8

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:36 PM, "Arun Khan (অরুণ খান্/अरुण खान)"
 wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:42 PM, A. Mani  wrote:
>> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Windows_8_baffles_users;_but,_screw_%27em!
>>
>
> There is no meaningful content in the above link as of 2012/10/28 21:35 IST.

In addition to the above it is not clear whether the OP wanted to
initiate a discussion themed around aspects of the OS or, merely
wanted to pass across a collection of reviews. The latter is easily
done via <http://www.techmeme.com/search/query?q=Windows+8&wm=false>
for example.


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Re: [Ilugc] how irctc works

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar
 wrote:

>Delivers value ? I have been using it regularly for a long
> time. And I can tell you - It is among the worst piece of crap I have
> ever used.

<http://www.medianama.com/2011/09/223-chart-of-the-day-total-vs-successful-transactions-on-irctc-payment-gateway/>
provides a somewhat dated (till September 2011) breakout of the
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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil computing and open source

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
 wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:
>
>> we need more computer professionals to learn linguistic skills. Tamil needs
>> lot of tools like corpus, spell checkers, grammar checker, morphological,
>> lexican analyzer etc.
>> we have to create these tools and release them as free open source software.
>
> The issue is not limited to Tamil. Almost all the Indian languages
> require these. The awkward part is that these are long running
> "research" projects at various academic institutions and so there
> hasn't been a strong effort to turn the codebase into working
> products/prototypes. For example, the LTRC at IIIT-HYD,
> <http://web2py.iiit.ac.in/research_centres/default/view_area/3> does a
> lot such work as does CVPR, ISI Kolkata and IIT-Kharagpur.

And, it would be unfair if I did not mention
<http://thottingal.in/blog/2009/06/16/announcing-project-silpa/> where
Santhosh is actually looking for volunteers.

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Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Job opening: Executive Manager for the Wikimedia India Chapter

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On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:

> Phe . No developer positions? Do u ppl too drive your developers mad or
> something? Is Jimmy Whales is just like another Steve Jobs or Billgates?

<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings> has a reasonable
number of frequently updated developer opportunities.

As an aside, it is probably a good idea to take time to spell out the
names correctly (I notice that you have mangled Jimmy Wales and Bill
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Re: [Ilugc] What Killed the Linux Desktop, by Miguel de Icaza

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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Mohan R  wrote:

> Even though Lcaza is one of the founder of Gnome, This article is bit
> overstated, The entire argument about linux not maintaining backwards
> compatibility is bullshit (Just my opinion). Linux Desktop's base API's
> (either Gnome libraries or KDE libraries) are very stable.

That is not completely true. The libraries that make up the toolkit do
keep changing and backwards compatibility is more shoe-horned in than
a principle.

> I'm not sure if he is still in Gnome Foundation, or kicked out of it
> long time back with his Mono. He noticed an opportunity now to FUD,
> because everyone hate Gnome3 and Linux Desktop is in dilemma with
> various DE projects(cinnamon, mate, XFCE-revival etc.,).

The list is visible from <http://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/>

> Gnome's base libraries (Gtk, Glib family) are rock-solid and no major
> changes happened AFAIK. On top of it we have GStreamer, PulseAudio,
> Telepathy, Avahi subsystem which have long proved their potential. On
> the lower, we have these *Kits,d-bus and systemd from freedesktop.org
> (pollkitd, udiskd, packagekit etc.,) which are making life easier.

If you do read what Miguel writes the theme of his argument is that
Linux ended catching up with OS X rather than setting things in place
well up front. Now there can be merit in the argument that the
community driven development provides a collaborative space wherein
the strict 'stack' control will not really work out. The issue that
his piece skirts is the scope of the "Desktop" - that entity spans the
usual "computing hardware at home" and, the "computing hardware at
massive deployment of workstations" to "computing hardware doing
client side crunching"

> The only problem is, not all of these layers (Kernel + service-layer
> (feedesktop.org stuff) + Gnome3) synced well in major distros.
>
> Fedora is the only distro which put all these things fully, to some
> extend Arch. Ubuntu went their way with Unity, Debian going their way to
> Xfce, Mint went with Cinnamon and Mate, Gentoo accepted gnome3, but not
> so quick to accept all freedesktop.org stuffs because they play big in
> service layer(Yeah!! Lennart (Po[e]*tter)(ing)* f???ed udev with his
> systemd http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/259045)

This is interesting - you take Miguel apart on his choice of Mono and,
you take apart Lennart on systemd. Step back for the moment without
prejudice and think about this - Lennart has practically re-jigged 3
fundamental pieces of the Linux architecture (and, Miguel/Nat along
with other re-jigged the desktop environment with enough horsepower to
make it relevant).

> I think Linux Desktop is alive and ready for BigTime. Its future will be
> decided not by the DE projects, but by the distros.

The distributions are the carriers - the upstream is where the
decisions matter. Changes therein decide how much the distributions
can release-engineer and ship.

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Re: [Ilugc] What Killed the Linux Desktop, by Miguel de Icaza

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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 8:06 AM, A. Mani  wrote:

> Crap article based on FUD about GNU/Linux adoption and incompetence of
> the author.

incompetence ?

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Re: [Ilugc] What Killed the Linux Desktop, by Miguel de Icaza

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On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 6:57 AM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
> As long as disunity exists in Linux, it may not come to top. there is no
> one single concrete IDE for Linux.

An integrated development environment is expected to be built around
the programming language that it helps application development in.
What are the shortcomings that you see ? Could you provide an example
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Re: [Ilugc] Acceptable behaviour? was (Re: Foss based solutions providing Organizations in TamilNadu)

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On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Karthikeyan A.K  wrote:
> But one thing is sure, I just know that this group consists of people who
> do more talking about FOSS than any credible thing.

How did you arrive at this certain conclusion ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Viewing tables of Sybase Database on linux

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:31 PM, பத்மநாதன்  wrote:

>   Is there an possibility to view the data in the tables
> of Sybase Database without installing Sybase ASE?
>
> A simple application to browse the database is needed to view the
> energy meter events.

<http://www.dbvis.com/features/feature-list/> is something you could
take a look at.

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Re: [Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM, kenneth gonsalves
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 20:17 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:

>> If you play music/sound on the F17 box, do you get a sound output ?
>
> yes - but only on the internal laptop speakers - the headphones are mute

Can you also check the controls that are visible when you attempt to
configure the mixer ? As would be obvious, the idea is to first check
whether the internal speakers can provide a sound output via any
application, thereafter moving on to whether the headphone controls
are turned on/visible and finally moving towards whether one should
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Re: [Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17

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On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM, kenneth gonsalves
 wrote:

> update - the headphones work out of the box on my wife's much newer
> laptop running Fedora 16

If you play music/sound on the F17 box, do you get a sound output ?


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Re: [Ilugc] Two very interesting links

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:

>  are any such things showcased in India? 

Considering the snowstorm of interest in the talk and the demo, the
actual bit to wonder about should be
<https://github.com/sixthsense/sixthsense/commits/master/> That
doesn't make for much of activity.

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Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business

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On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Arun Venkataswamy  wrote:

> Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating
> open source products? I am not talking about people who earn money by
> providing services around someone else's effort of creating the primary,
> core product (say the LAMP stack).

A significant part of the 'open source' is the concept of "open a
restaurant but give away the menu". In effect, the availability of the
source code of the product enables two distinct streams of revenue -
feature driven and support/services driven. And, in either case you
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Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt. Free Laptop Review

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Kumaran R  wrote:

>     On the whole the laptop doesn't feel cheap. Its light in weight
> thanks to the absence of a DVD drive and Wifi. The keyboard is not
> upto Lenovo standards, but it is still much better than most laptop
> keyboards. I'm typing this email in this keyboard, and it offers good
> feedback.. The display is a 14" 1366x768. It has good brightness but
> poor viewing angles and lots of glare, thanks to the glossy finish.
> The lack of wifi is a huge disappointment. The battery lasted just
> under 3 hours (2:58) while doing light web-browsing and playing music
> (max. brightness and max. volume). Overall, the design is good with a
> good textured feel. It feels solid to hold, and doesn't have lots of
> flex.

Do use powertop to see if you can configure some of the tunables.

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Re: [Ilugc] Help with GUI for project work required!

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On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:41 PM, benedict nicholas
 wrote:

> Some of our  B.E students are doing project on Network monitoring in fedora 
> 16. They have done most of the coding using shell script and python. They 
> want to put  GUI and have asked for my help. I request you all to suggest 
> suitable solution.

A bit tangential to your query but if a non-GUI/CLI version is
available for use and functional, it would be a nice idea to package
it and make available via the repositories.

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Re: [Ilugc] Lecture capture software in Linux...

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Sundaram Ramachandran
 wrote:

> I will,  thanks. However, I would prefer to get some  recommendations from 
> people who have actually used the tools to create a lecture. It is a fairly 
> complex requirement and use case scenario.

You could get in touch with the Pune LUG folks or,
<http://www.sudhanwa.com/>. <http://bprim.org/> have used
bigbluebutton for a while.


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Re: [Ilugc] Lecture capture software in Linux...

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
 wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Sundaram Ramachandran
>  wrote:
>> Is there any decent lecture capture software in Linux? I am teaching some 
>> subjects - Microprocessors, Open Source Tools and Components etc. I want to 
>> prepare video lectures incorporating ppt slides, class notes, questions, and 
>> of course my own audio and if possible, a small video of my face as well.
>
> Would <http://www.kaltura.org/> meet your requirements ?

Also, do take a look at <http://www.bigbluebutton.org/> as well.


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Re: [Ilugc] Lecture capture software in Linux...

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On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Sundaram Ramachandran
 wrote:
> Is there any decent lecture capture software in Linux? I am teaching some 
> subjects - Microprocessors, Open Source Tools and Components etc. I want to 
> prepare video lectures incorporating ppt slides, class notes, questions, and 
> of course my own audio and if possible, a small video of my face as well.

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Re: [Ilugc] Need Source code for "Leave"

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On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh
 wrote:

> One of my friend read the Kaniyam -2 magazine and tried the Leave command,
> which will make a alarm to indicate in terminal that its time to leave.
> This package is only available for Ubuntu, i hope.
>
> When i tried to search via yum in fedora 16 i could not find that package,
> so now am in need of source of it so that i could compile myself and
> install it.

<https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/leave> If you are packaging it,
it would be nice to have it Fedora. I'm sure someone would be able to
point you towards how to get it packaged, reviewed and available from
the repos.

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Re: [Ilugc] About GPL Licensing on a plugin

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:50 AM, David  wrote:

> I just have a question on GPL Licensing. We are planning to develop a product 
> which will be used to control multiple wordpress sites (Like updating, 
> installing, posting) across multiple wordpress sites at once. But we found 
> that there is already a service (SaaS) doing that. They install a plugin on 
> the required wordpress sites and that plugin is used to do all the process. 
> They control that plugin from their panel. That plugin is released under GPL 
> license (since its a wordpress plugin).
>
> We feel we can add more improvements to that product. My question is can we 
> use that plugin for our own SaaS service? Would that be legally fine?

Would you like to ask the question at
<http://projects.opensource.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/license-discuss>
? More information at <http://www.opensource.org/lists>

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Re: [Ilugc] Tamil Phonetic Typing in Fedora

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Arun SAG  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Dwaraka Nath  wrote:

>> >Where am I missing out ?
>>
>>
> What about ibus-m17n and some tamil fonts?

Can I request that a bug be filed or, a discussion be done on the
#fedora-i18n channel ? Ask Fedora is another option.

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Re: [Ilugc] FOSS for Organization chart

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On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:19 PM, freeos  wrote:

>   Is there any FOSS to prepare organization chart? I checked many
> softwares. But all are having 30 days trial.

Isn't any svg editor good enough ?


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Re: [Ilugc] Hi Arun! I need to know where can I get Fedora 8 dump

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Pradheep Kumar
 wrote:

> I am working with a software SESC which works on Fedora 8. I need to know
> from where can I get Fedora 8 dump.

Hmm... that's a very bad scenario you are going into.

<http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/>
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Re: [Ilugc] Indian UID, Aadhar Project Is A Proprietary, Non Open Source Project?

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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
 wrote:

> I contacted most of the executive on the contact list before filing the
> story; none replied. Indian Babus are above the law and they don't have
> time from accepting bribes that they will reply to journalists mails.

To take nothing away from the effort you are putting in but can we
tone down the gross generalizations and unsubtle ad-hominems please ?
A few officers and bureaucrats do not make a government and for
someone who wants to publish things generalizations are a bit of a
stretch.

This isn't specific to you, I've noticed this from the recent posts
here as well as on the Mumbai LUG lists.

> I will continue to cover the story in Muktware. I am happy that after TN
> case this is our second imp story.



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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora Sanskrit Locale

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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 2:04 PM, JAGANADH G  wrote:

> I think Sanskrit is qualified as per the documentation given above.
> When I tried to install sa_IN locale in Ubuntu (10.04) it is there .



> But it is not there in Fedora

The folks who work on i18n for Fedora have a channel (#fedora-i18n I
think) and a mailing list. I'd request you to pop the query on those.


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Re: [Ilugc] Indian UID, Aadhar Project Is A Proprietary, Non Open Source Project?

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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Senthil Nathan  wrote:

> They have a section for technical architecture here.
>
> http://uidai.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=153&Itemid=13
>
> We can request them to publish another diagram with product and vendor
> label for each component.

The section on the tender(s) is the one where reading time could be
spent. 
<http://www.uidai.gov.in/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&Itemid=162>

A search for "UID RFP" should also provide links to the multi-volume
PDF document providing architecture details, message protocols and so
forth.

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Re: [Ilugc] Fedora Sanskrit Locale

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 3:11 PM, JAGANADH G  wrote:

> Does anybody know how to get sa_IN (Sanskrit) locale support in Fedora .
> I got hyphenation etc .. but sa_IN locale file is not there .
> Is there any locale information available for Sanskrit.

<http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/LanguageSupportCriteria> should be
a page to start with.

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Re: [Ilugc] Need Advice, Linux/FOSS Gurus from India

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
 wrote:

> Ts'o to me is a filesystem expert/ Greg a device driver expert. I thinks
> let's start. There is no end to things stopping us from trying something.

It is fine if you put it that way. However, in your original post you
mentioned :

"So, I am thinking of a sub-section in Muktware where we profile/feature
one Linux/FOSS expert *from India* every week."

(the emphasis added is mine and is absent in the original)

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Re: [Ilugc] Need Advice, Linux/FOSS Gurus from India

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
 wrote:

> Linus' interview made me think if there really is lack of Linux gurus?

The guru shishya mode of teaching worked out when the materials to
learn were scarce and it was politically volatile to have them spread.
Now, Linux or, any FOSS structure mandates collaboration and sharing.
Shouldn't you be looking away from the single "guru" idea ? As it
stands, available source code+documentation+IRC+UGs etc do make it
easier for a willing participant to acquire knowledge and demonstrate
enough caliber to be known as an expert/architect/name_what_you_want.

(I know this is OT, but just wanted to point out the down side of
fixating on gurus rather than working on a larger group of talented
individuals)

> So, I am thinking of a sub-section in Muktware where we profile/feature
> one Linux/FOSS expert from India every week.
>
> What's your opinion?

You will run into the age old squabble of "how do you arrive at who is
an expert"


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Re: [Ilugc] HP's New Low-Power Servers To Run Only Canonical And Red Hat Linux

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 10:28 AM, diksha gupta
 wrote:
> HP has rolled out ultra-low-power servers designed for large Web
> applications, search engines, and social networking firms. The project is
> termed as Project Moonshot. These tiny servers from HP make use of cell
> phone-type components in a server architecture. The company claims that
> they consume 89 per cent less power than conventional servers. The servers
> will run only Canonical and Red Hat Linux, and not Windows.
>
> http://www.efytimes.com/e1/72443/fullnews.htm

"Red Hat Linux" was discontinued around 2004. EFYTimes might like to
get the proper distribution names. For example, I assume that the
article meant Ubuntu and not Canonical.


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Re: [Ilugc] Linux Tablet suggestion

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mehul Ved  wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Raman.P  wrote:
>> Dear luggies
>>
>> I am doing some serious studies in Archeology,history and temple 
>> architecture. I have to read books/articles which runs to about 1 lakh pages 
>> - in standard format like pdf, html and text. I seek your opinion on 
>> appropriate tablet/e-book reader. My needs are
>
> Kindle is what best fits the above requirements.

Not if the PDF is the most read format or, the books have lots of
images. And, would the documents/articles have Indic ?

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Re: [Ilugc] TN Govt says "No" to Linux - issues new tender

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On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Raman.P  wrote:
>
> Today's The Hindu carries clarification by the Minister for IT, TN has 
> clarified that the laptops will be loaded with BOSS by ELCOT itself. I think 
> all of us should be happy.

<http://www.thehindu.com/education/issues/article2423376.ece>


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Re: [Ilugc] [ILugC] Low battery power management problem in Laptop

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On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Yogesh  wrote:

> Here are my power settings while on battery:
>
> * Never put computer to sleep
> * When battery is low, hibernate.
> * When lid is closed, suspend.
>
> Is this a Gnome problem or an Ubuntu problem? Any clues??

While it may not be the direct solution to your problem, can you try
and install powertop <http://lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/> (should
be available as an Ubuntu package) and check what are the tunables
that seem to be causing battery drain. ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [ilugd] [commercial] Quotes required

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On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Shrinivasan T  wrote:

>   1. Upgrading charge Joomla 1.0 to 1.6
>   2. Charge of AMC for per year(may include upgrading Joomla versions)
>   3. Migration charges for current Joomla 1.0 to Drupal current version
>   including AMC for one year.

This is a strange way to call for commercial vendors. Especially since
the points, in sequence, are completely off. And, if there is indeed a
migration planned, the parameters, SLA etc go un-mentioned.

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Re: [Ilugc] Creating live graphs for system parameters

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On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Rajapandi  wrote:

> I want to implement a web page (namely dashboard) which includes
> various parameters (CPU usage, Network usage, Memory usage, etc ) from
> different systems and those parameters will be shown in graphs in the
> web page at server side. This will be like system
> monitoring graphs. So i need to fetch the informations from different
> systems and then have to show them in graphs.

If your end objective is achieving something like
<http://munin.sugarlabs.org/index.html>, you could perhaps try out
munin.


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Re: [Ilugc] Syllabus for 1 month = 25x5 = 125 Hour Training on Introduction to FOSS and Open Technology

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Narendra Sisodiya
 wrote:

> Please comment on syllabus.. What should be done for 1 month training of
> Engineering students..
> I am thinking to start a training batch from 1st June so creating syllabus
> collaboratively will help us all.

I don't see the lessons being linked with a project as an exercise. Is
that something you'll be considering during your training ?

For example, at the end of the following section, how do they learn to
apply what they learn on actual stuff ? Kenneth and NRCFOSS had some
ideas around it, I guess this is as good a list as any to ask about
that.

== Code ==
How to compile and Debug C++ programs using, gcc and eclipse. How to use
makefile.
Introduction to jQuery, day 1
Introduction to XML, How to use XML in jQuery, python.
Introduction to jQuery, day 2
Install Drupal and customising , adding themes..
Concepts of MySQL, PHP and how backend of server works. Linux as server.



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Re: [Ilugc] Kohacon Registration page - Co-presenter anybody?

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On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:

> Timeline of Koha conference:
> http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/timeline

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Re: [Ilugc] Kohacon Registration page - Co-presenter anybody?

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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Rajagopal Swaminathan
 wrote:

> Please note that there are participants from at least 14 countries
> apart from India that too within few weeks of announcement.
>
> http://kohacon11.vpmthane.org/ocs/index.php/k/k11/schedConf/registration

The site seems to be a bit difficult to navigate - what are the dates
for the conference ?

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Re: [Ilugc] Redhat Vs Suse

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On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:27 PM, narendra babu  wrote:

> Could you please let me know what are the major differences on the 
> application tools and admin side, pkg management , ease of installation , 
> patch management  support and maintenance for RHEL and SUSE .

If you are looking to deploy either of the platforms you should
perhaps be looking at certified hardware, certified software and so
forth.

<http://www.redhat.com/support/> and,
<https://access.redhat.com/support/policy/>
<http://support.novell.com/lifecycle/> are the URLs that are start off
points in understanding support and maintenance.

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[Ilugc] [Commercial] [Cross-posted] Sr. QE/ QE Team Lead position at Red Hat

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

The position is currently based out of Pune. Please send the CVs to
jeetendra at redhat dot com with "Sr. QE / QE Team Lead" in the
subject line.

Red Hat is seeking a QE team lead to join its QE organization. Red
Hat's QE group ensures the quality of Red Hat's products, by
performing comprehensive testing to the entire product features and
providing up-to-date, accurate and complete view on the product's
quality to R&D, product management and company executives.

Quality Assurance Engineers maintain close working relationships with
developers and architects and assist in developing high quality
features with the most complex and challenging issues.

Primary Responsibilities:

* Act as a subject matter expert in the design, implementation and
execution of tests in the various aspects of application compatibility
* Provide timely, complete and accurate testing status report
* Use available tools to investigate and troubleshoot issues.
* Accurately record issues found during tests, including
investigation, troubleshooting, & the resolution of issues
* Work closely with Red Hat's development engineering
* Manage a team of QE engineers, assigning tasks, monitoring
progress, resolving bottlenecks, collecting status and raising issues.
* Mentoring new team members,servicing as technical knowledge
focal point for the team.

Required Skills & Experience:

* University degree, Computer Science or equivalent work experience.
* Minimum 5 years of related experience
* Experience in building testing frameworks and in test automation.
* Scripting experience in languages like Perl, shell, and Python
* Strong operating system knowledge - Unix/Linux
* Programming skills in C and Java are a major plus
* Exposure to POSIX and LSB testing frameworks are a major plus
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[Ilugc] [OT] Re: Linux Journal DVD -> 1994-2010

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Arun Khan  wrote:

> I was a subscriber right from it's inception.    I stopped subsribing
> because of the time delays plus cost for overseas delivery to India
> [1].

You could opt for the digital subscription. It does tend to put out
nice articles coupled with a few remaining columns which are better
than the norm. In a way I find it interesting to see how LJ has
managed to ensure some sanity in the age of
information-in-the-instant.


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Re: [Ilugc] document management system

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:

> does that mean that redhat does not have a centralised DMS? Or is it a
> bad idea for a company to have one?

To answer the second question first.

I think that the idea that a company should have a single set of
application stack is a good one. It enables and empowers the IT
department. However, the agility that is provided by a set of systems
within a variety is also something that teams benefit from. As long as
data is not kept within silos making it difficult to cross-talk,
variety could probably be encouraged.

The answer to the first part of the question, like I mentioned
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Re: [Ilugc] document management system

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:

>> On any given day I access a myriad variety of CMS/DocMS - Wordpress,
>> Drupal, Jive/Clearspace, Trac, Mediawiki, Alfresco etc
>
> what does Redhat use for DMS?

There isn't a single answer to that question :) Hence I listed out all
the ones I end up accessing during the course of a day. The variety is
driven by differing requirements and needs of each deployment.

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Re: [Ilugc] document management system

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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:

> I *had* heard of these two sources, but why I asked on this list is for
> practical experiences - what are you people using and what is your
> experience

On any given day I access a myriad variety of CMS/DocMS - Wordpress,
Drupal, Jive/Clearspace, Trac, Mediawiki, Alfresco etc

> the more features the better - but these two are the main ones. The
> first because it makes it easier for other applications to talk to the
> system and the second because it ensures that the devels are working on
> the version we are using.

These are perfectly nice things to have since it would, which I
believe you are hinting at, allow you and the developers to build
applications around the base product.


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Re: [Ilugc] document management system

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On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:

> I am looking for a standards based open source document management
> system. The last time (in 2004) that I looked it was railroad vs dspace.
> What is recommended now? The criteria: uses an open source rdbms and is
> a genuinely open source application (not one with all the goodies in the
> closed version and a token 'community' version).

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_content_management_systems> is a
reasonably updated list of Content Management (and I realize that
you've specifically asked for Document Management) systems. The tables
show the licenses as well. The other option is to look at
<http://www.cmsmatrix.org/> and arrive at a reasonable set of choices.

While you specify two criteria - are there more ? For example,
granular ACL based on roles, export of content and so forth.



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Re: [Ilugc] xmind

[Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay]

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
 wrote:

> I want to install the xmind application in fedora. There are debs for
> ubuntu, but nothing in the fedora repo. Any clues? I also downloaded the
> source, but have not a clue how to install a java app. And there does
> not seem to be any documentation for the same.

Is there a specific reason you'd want to use XMind ? Fedora has Vym
and Freemind packaged.

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