Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Naresh Narang wrote: Please don't take this in a negative sense. My message was informational, I did not mean that they should not charge for support. They have a shop to run, by all means, they should sell anything they can. This is not meant to be a flame war. I'm not interested in wars at all but I want you to justify how you think they aren't. Most of the kernel developers are employed at RH. RH has contributed many OSS softwares to the community. rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research. Necessity is the mother of invention. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCeTe14Rhi6gTxMLwRAqleAJ9WhhQnvQOcY9ZDcNzy+HMw9J74MgCgnfnQ umuWk8vn//iRV+m7w+aJ824= =yiT4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
--- Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Naresh Narang wrote: Please don't take this in a negative sense. My message was informational, I did not mean that they should not charge for support. They have a shop to run, by all means, they should sell anything they can. This is not meant to be a flame war. I'm not interested in wars at all but I want you to justify how you think they aren't. Most of the kernel developers are employed at RH. RH has contributed many OSS softwares to the community. I never said they aren't justified to sell what they want or can. Have a good day. --Naresh Narang __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Naresh Narang wrote: I wonder why would RHEL install show that it is GNU/Linux if they are not distributed under GNU License. AFAIK, you can download and use it but you need to pay for the license to get support / updates. If they don't charge for Support/Updates then how are they going to do business ? By selling product manuals ? rrs - -- Ritesh Raj Sarraf RESEARCHUT -- http://www.researchut.com Gnupg Key ID: 04F130BC Stealing logic from one person is plagiarism, stealing from many is research. Necessity is the mother of invention. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCd7pb4Rhi6gTxMLwRAgonAJkB2c0nt4arIHXCf8C7q2vJQkgJgACeLaOc H1LdWmQjf+knrjb926tE8OA= =nE6E -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
--- Ritesh Raj Sarraf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Naresh Narang wrote: I wonder why would RHEL install show that it is GNU/Linux if they are not distributed under GNU License. AFAIK, you can download and use it but you need to pay for the license to get support / updates. If they don't charge for Support/Updates then how are they going to do business ? By selling product manuals ? rrs Please don't take this in a negative sense. My message was informational, I did not mean that they should not charge for support. They have a shop to run, by all means, they should sell anything they can. This is not meant to be a flame war. Regards, --Naresh __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
On 4/28/05, vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AFAIK you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems.. for all most cases for RHEL and compatible systems you can use centos( http://www.centos.org/ ) cheers vivek On 4/28/05, John Marder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anyone staying in/around Delhi have RHEL 4 WS/ES/AS? If so, may I make a copy of it? Thx in advance John ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Vivek, when you say that you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems..do you mean there are legal obstacles (ex. piracy issues) or are you referring to technical problems (such as cd's being copy protected etc.)? In case it's the latter, i'm sure somebody must have cracked the scheme and posted the details online. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
John Marder wrote: Vivek, when you say that you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems..do you mean there are legal obstacles (ex. piracy issues) or are you referring to technical problems (such as cd's being copy protected etc.)? In case it's the latter, i'm sure somebody must have cracked the scheme and posted the details online. It is a contractual violation. I am not sure how they can prevent GPLed packages from being copied, but there is such a legal requirement. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
This is interesting, I had this question for a while ? I am not sure what the exact redhat licenses and protection is ? Are the cd's protected, ??? Redhat, it seems, takes money not for the software but for the setting up, maintenance and updates. So what is to prevent any one from redistributing a) the Redhat itself and b) the updates when they come and if they so have such strong anti copying mechanisms what makes them different from Microsoft ? ram Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: John Marder wrote: Vivek, when you say that you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems..do you mean there are legal obstacles (ex. piracy issues) or are you referring to technical problems (such as cd's being copy protected etc.)? In case it's the latter, i'm sure somebody must have cracked the scheme and posted the details online. It is a contractual violation. I am not sure how they can prevent GPLed packages from being copied, but there is such a legal requirement. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what is to prevent any one from redistributing a) the Redhat itself and b) the updates when they come Well the updates and the individual packages are available freely. This is what is helping projects like whitebox linux and taolinux to offer RHEL compatible distributions. That itself sets apart Redhat from Microsoft. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting, I had this question for a while ? I am not sure what the exact redhat licenses and protection is ? Are the cd's protected, ??? Redhat, it seems, takes money not for the software but for the setting up, maintenance and updates. So what is to prevent any one from redistributing a) the Redhat itself and b) the updates when they come Red Hat clearly possesses exclusive legal rights to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, namely the exclusive legal right to distribute RHEL in binary form, and most importantly, the accompanying exclusive legal right to pass along the ISV certifications associated with the RHEL binary distribution. Red Hat uses a legal vehicle, a cleverly crafted license it calls a subscription agreement, to enable it to possess these exclusive legal rights in a product that can continue to be marketed as open source. Best solution is not use Redhat or fedora (Lab Rat for upcoming RHES) or some Vendor supported Distro .Move 2 Debian ...I had lot of issues with Redhat/fedora now after moving to Debian I am happy Debian user .I have moved all my development servers to Debian testing .with automatic updates and about 11000 thousand and well tested OS I am now tension free :-) and if they so have such strong anti copying mechanisms what makes them different from Microsoft ? ram Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: John Marder wrote: Vivek, when you say that you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems..do you mean there are legal obstacles (ex. piracy issues) or are you referring to technical problems (such as cd's being copy protected etc.)? In case it's the latter, i'm sure somebody must have cracked the scheme and posted the details online. It is a contractual violation. I am not sure how they can prevent GPLed packages from being copied, but there is such a legal requirement. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Well the updates and the individual packages are available freely. This is what is helping projects like whitebox linux and taolinux to offer RHEL compatible distributions. That itself sets apart Redhat from Microsoft. so then what is the problem in distributing RHEL ?? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
Raj Mathur wrote: AFAIR RH specifies that you lose your service contract if you redistribute their software or use it on systems for which it is not licensed. So if you're willing to not have RH service you are welcome to redistribute RHEL. Hmm. So does that mean that it is ok to buy a single copy of RHEL, and use it throughout the office, and keeping your apt/yum repositories pointing to whitebox/taolinux? - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya *Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com * Home/Blog: http://www.sandipb.net/blog PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Well the updates and the individual packages are available freely. This is what is helping projects like whitebox linux and taolinux to offer RHEL compatible distributions. That itself sets apart Redhat from Microsoft. so then what is the problem in distributing RHEL ?? you need to change all the Redhat logos etc to something to else ..https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-February/msg04523.html and check out centos ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandip == Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sandip Raj Mathur wrote: AFAIR RH specifies that you lose your service contract if you redistribute their software or use it on systems for which it is not licensed. So if you're willing to not have RH service you are welcome to redistribute RHEL. Sandip Hmm. So does that mean that it is ok to buy a single copy Sandip of RHEL, and use it throughout the office, and keeping Sandip your apt/yum repositories pointing to whitebox/taolinux? I doubt it :) Perhaps the RH people on this list could (unofficially) clarify? If you don't want to specify the legal position on the list, please send me a personal mail and I can cut and paste from that without having to specify name/designation in an informal message. Regards, - -- Raju - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFCdeakyWjQ78xo0X8RAkqEAKCKQepqK+dPUTMPtzSRUaAnqcUcSACfZ+VN yeEQ8Tpcb8wtOmmWPV5Y2NQ= =RUCy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
--- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sandip == Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sandip Raj Mathur wrote: AFAIR RH specifies that you lose your service contract if you redistribute their software or use it on systems for which it is not licensed. So if you're willing to not have RH service you are welcome to redistribute RHEL. Sandip Hmm. So does that mean that it is ok to buy a single copy Sandip of RHEL, and use it throughout the office, and keeping Sandip your apt/yum repositories pointing to whitebox/taolinux? I doubt it :) Perhaps the RH people on this list could (unofficially) clarify? If you don't want to specify the legal position on the list, please send me a personal mail and I can cut and paste from that without having to specify name/designation in an informal message. Regards, - -- Raju I wonder why would RHEL install show that it is GNU/Linux if they are not distributed under GNU License. AFAIK, you can download and use it but you need to pay for the license to get support / updates. Regards, --Naresh __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Anyone has RHEL4?
AFAIK you cannot make copies of RHEL operating systems.. for all most cases for RHEL and compatible systems you can use centos( http://www.centos.org/ ) cheers vivek On 4/28/05, John Marder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Does anyone staying in/around Delhi have RHEL 4 WS/ES/AS? If so, may I make a copy of it? Thx in advance John ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
