[Inkscape-docs] Website design

[Sylvain Chiron]

Hi,

Docs and devel are very excited these days and I’m a bit overwhelmed —
well, it’s good to see motivation out there —, but I also have something
to say just in accordance with the recent website release you might have
noticed.

The first point is that I tried to contact you, Hinerangi, as the
website designer, about the website responsive view for mobile
platforms. Now Inkscape.org will look nice on your cell!
See my initial bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1614196
Martin and I wanted to know if you had an opinion regarding this design;
you might not have received my e-mail.
It’s now possible to view the design directly on Inkscape.org, either
with your phone browser or your desktop browser’s responsive view.
You could also have an opinion concerning the fairly new modal dialogs,
or any other good work from Martin & co.

The second point is for the website editors: as you may have seen, now
our parent menus do no longer link to a page when clicked, but instead
there’s a submenu item in bold font. Initially I set this for the
touch-screen devices: you should be able to open the menu, then select
the page. But Martin told me to apply this mechanism everywhere. He said
that some visitors complained about the parent items being
unclear/confusing. Well, you see, you have an ‘About’ page with
‘Inkscape Overview’ in it as a title, but also ‘Overview’ as a submenu.
Recognize it’s weird — :S.
The current solution is not ideal and we should actually aim to remove
the parent menu items; means putting the interesting content in the
subitems, possibly creating a new subpage.
* ‘About’ may disappear silently.
* ‘Download’ will be changed soon, for the new Releases management system.
* In ‘News’, we should have a ‘Latest News’ submenu (probably not for
editors…).
* ‘Learn’ may disappear silently.
* ‘Develop’ should have ‘Getting Started’ as first menu item.
* ‘Contribute’ should have a similar thing, such as ‘Let’s go’.
* ‘Support Us’ might have a synthetical submenu, or disappear.
* For ‘Community’ it looks a bit more complicated.
Maybe not for right now but at least you’re aware — ;).
For the parent URL (that would become inaccessible from the UI), we
would have a redirect to the first subitem as a fallback, I’d say.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Sylvain Chiron]

Le 12/10/2016 à 23:18, mihaela.jurko...@gmail.com a écrit :
> Lovely comic drawing, although I suspect the dialogue is even more
> salient :)

Looks slangish, chewed words between friends and guys from a common
community. Quite cool.
Yes, the drawings are very nice.


Le 12/10/2016 à 22:11, Frédéric Guimont a écrit :
>> It’s on topic. Maybe you’d mind reading the indented paragraph there:
>> https://inkscape.org/fr/communaute/sur-internet/
> 
> That's great! I'll take the time to do that tonight, thanks.

We’re waiting for your bug report then — :).

>> By the way, I don’t really understand the 40px left margin. When
>> browsing the site with a mobile phone, it’s quite annoying.
> 
> Noted. I'll look into that too ;)

Do you have editor access? I said that for the website editors.

> Just joined and checked your email. I met Elisa over the summer and I'm
> familiar with the doc (although I haven't read the manual yet). I'll see
> if I can find the time to do some translations.

Thanks, will be very helpful.


Le 12/10/2016 à 23:15, Hinerangi Courtenay a écrit :
> I haven't been active around here for a few months, so sorry for jumping
> into the conversation like this! (I haven't read all the other digests
> so please excuse my lack of context.)

Nice to meet you Hinerangi. (Then I’ll send another mail about the
website design…)

> I saw there's some talk about the English translation I started of the
> Floss manual in April this year (after seeing somewhere on the Inkscape
> website that we were waiting for the French manual to be translated).
> Elisa set it up on flossmanuals.net, and I translated the first few
> chapters (not the titles though, I didn't have access to them in the
> editor). Not everything was a straight translation, some things were
> more of an adaptation – sometimes I reworded/rearranged things to be
> clearer in English. Unfortunately a few weeks later I had to leave it
> because of work, but I see Sylvain has made great progress on it though!

Means I wasn’t much more informed than Brynn, I thought Elisa did these
translations before me. Well, you should add your name in the About chapter.

> Sylvain, if you need a hand getting through the rest of the chapters, I
> can help again – just let me know which ones you'd like me to work on,
> to avoid editing conflicts. I haven't checked through the translations
> you've done, would you like me to? I'm a native English speaker :)

I know who you are, I got interested in Inkscape.org’s details and
you’re linked from the footer — :).
I had initially planned Brynn would involve for reviewing my
translations once greatly done, but of course you can check them too.

I couldn’t go far during last 6 months; yes, some help from Fred and you
would be really appropriate.

> P.S. Seems the mailing list and I are still not friends, I tried sending
> this email multiple times and it keeps bouncing back :( Hopefully this
> time it'll work!

Weird… You might look for sending plain text e-mails, rather than HTML ones.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Martin Owens]

> Yes, but I think the SVGs are heavier than the PNGs on the page. I'd
> also have to load the fonts (anime ace 2) and make sure the dialogue
> balloons can contain the text in all languages.

Generate balloons, load css font (e.g. ttf), convert lower layer to png
and just use svg as overlay. Stick some js in there or some css
animations for a fun time.

> What's this system? Is there info on the wiki about that?

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/

You can submit to this category a link to a youtube tutorial, and if we
can collect them, it'd be really useful. (tag them as video)

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Frédéric Guimont]

- Original Message -
> From: "Martin Owens" 
> To: "Frédéric Guimont" , "mihaela 
> jurkovic" 
> Cc: "Inkscape-Devel" , "Inkscape-Docs" 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 3:45:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

> On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:07 -0400, Frédéric Guimont wrote:
> 
>> Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think
>> it's on topic): http://quebeccite.com
> 
> Did you know, you could post the images as svg files and make the text
> translatable ;-)

Yes, but I think the SVGs are heavier than the PNGs on the page. I'd also have 
to load the fonts (anime ace 2) and make sure the dialogue balloons can contain 
the text in all languages.

I've been thinking of adding a link to the SVG in the meantime, which would be 
a good compromise at this stage.

> 
>> I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've
>> made an intro to the powerstroke a while back on youtube).
> 
> Curating existing youtube videos would be a really big help. Getting
> them all into a youtube playlist and being able to put them into the
> inkscape website gallery system. We have a system where if you post a
> youtube video, the video will be embeded into the page and so we can
> collect them and put them into the website fairly easily.

What's this system? Is there info on the wiki about that?
> 
> Martin,

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Frédéric Guimont]

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- Original Message -
> From: "Sylvain Chiron" 
> To: "Frédéric Guimont" 
> Cc: "Inkscape developers" , "Inkscape 
> Docs" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:08:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

> Hi Frédéric,
> 
> Le 12/10/2016 à 17:07, Frédéric Guimont a écrit :
>> I'm willing to help out on marketing and web issues too. I'm currently 
>> making a
>> weekly webcomic (in french) using only inkscape. If I can help with a comic,
>> I'd be happy to do that too.
>> 
>> Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think it's on
>> topic): http://quebeccite.com
> 
> It’s on topic. Maybe you’d mind reading the indented paragraph there:
> https://inkscape.org/fr/communaute/sur-internet/

That's great! I'll take the time to do that tonight, thanks.

> 
> By the way, I don’t really understand the 40px left margin. When
> browsing the site with a mobile phone, it’s quite annoying.

Noted. I'll look into that too ;)

> 
>> I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've made an 
>> intro
>> to the powerstroke a while back on youtube).
> 
> Then I think you should join inkscape-docs. Did you see my last emails
> to the docs list?

Just joined and checked your email. I met Elisa over the summer and I'm 
familiar with the doc (although I haven't read the manual yet). I'll see if I 
can find the time to do some translations. 

> Actually you’re arriving just in time, I was requesting help for the
> second-to-last item in the Community To-Do List:
> https://inkscape.org/fr/contribuer/choses-a-faire/
> Have a look at this message:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35421641/
> Would you have the necessary skills — :P?

I think I do have the skills, I just need to do some prioritizing. 

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Martin Owens]

On Wed, 2016-10-12 at 11:07 -0400, Frédéric Guimont wrote:

> Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think
> it's on topic): http://quebeccite.com

Did you know, you could post the images as svg files and make the text
translatable ;-)

> I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've
> made an intro to the powerstroke a while back on youtube).

Curating existing youtube videos would be a really big help. Getting
them all into a youtube playlist and being able to put them into the
inkscape website gallery system. We have a system where if you post a
youtube video, the video will be embeded into the page and so we can
collect them and put them into the website fairly easily.

Martin,

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] how about some marketing and outreach?

[Sylvain Chiron]

Hi Frédéric,

Le 12/10/2016 à 17:07, Frédéric Guimont a écrit :
> I'm willing to help out on marketing and web issues too. I'm currently making 
> a weekly webcomic (in french) using only inkscape. If I can help with a 
> comic, I'd be happy to do that too.
> 
> Here's the link, for the curious, (don't mean to spam, though I think it's on 
> topic): http://quebeccite.com

It’s on topic. Maybe you’d mind reading the indented paragraph there:
https://inkscape.org/fr/communaute/sur-internet/

By the way, I don’t really understand the 40px left margin. When
browsing the site with a mobile phone, it’s quite annoying.

> I can also help moderate the forums, make tutorials and such (I've made an 
> intro to the powerstroke a while back on youtube).

Then I think you should join inkscape-docs. Did you see my last emails
to the docs list?
Actually you’re arriving just in time, I was requesting help for the
second-to-last item in the Community To-Do List:
https://inkscape.org/fr/contribuer/choses-a-faire/
Have a look at this message:
https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/message/35421641/
Would you have the necessary skills — :P?
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