[Inkscape-docs] which faq should Help menu open/link to?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
The FAQ item in the Help menu caught my attention just now, and I 
notice it opens or links to the faq in the wiki.  Since we now have a new, 
and more user oriented faq on the website, I wonder if it should link there, 
instead?
Thoughts, comments?

Thanks,
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code of Conduct Vote

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I came close to deleting this from the final draft of the FAQ (2 or 3 
times!).  But I think it's well written, and good info to have.  Once this 
CoC is published, I'll edit this FAQ item, and simply link to the CoC.

Probably, most of everything stated in this FAQ item, is already contained 
in the CoC draft.  But I thought I'd mention it, just in the interest of a 
thorough treatment for this important document.

https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#How_to_communicate_effectively_throughout_the_Inkscape_community,_and_avoid_causing_a_flamewar

All best  :-)

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 Dear Board,

 The website's code of conduct text needs redrafting and formally
 voting on. It should be a document reflecting the social norms we have
 and that these would be in force on the website with moderation and
 art submissions.

 This is what we have so far, it's a bit of a fragment paste bin at the 
 moment:

 https://inkscape.org/en/community/coc/

 We could do with the help from a friendly inkscape docs contributor to
 draft it into something usable as well as the inkscape board to ratify
 it with a vote.

 Thanks for all your help.

 Best Regards, Martin Owens

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[Inkscape-docs] bug? or annoyance?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren and Martin,
I'm not sure if I've found a bug, or if this is just another 
annoying thing about using the link plugin.
Since Maren said I should not copy over the source from the staging 
page (so I don't have to make new links), I tried to use the non-source part 
of the editor.  In a few places there are 2 links to the same page.  But if 
I use the same the text link, and simply change the text by typing, then 
after the page is saved and published, even though the text appears to be 
correct in the editor, it reverts to the original text when saved/published.
Steps to reproduce:
1 -- Open any page (with links made by plugin) to edit, such as Contribute.
2 -- Copy a text link, such as Open Source in the first sentence.
3 -- Paste it somewhere else on the page, like the end of that same 
paragraph.
4 -- Change the text Open Source to click here.
5 -- Looks fine in the editor, but after saving and publishing, it changes 
back to Open Source.
I'm not sure if it happens during the save or the publish.  I didn't 
notice until after the publish, but it probably happened during the save.
The solution I found was to make a brand new link.  To my 
understanding, it sounds like that makes a newmaybe it's like a new row 
or item in a database, or something like that.  But anyway it sounds like it 
must be duplicating something.

Also, different topic.  What do I need to do to get the format 
changes going, with the indents, and different heading styles?  Bug report?

Thanks again,
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!

[Brynn]

Ok, I can do that.

What does Table Of Contents plug-in do?  I got the messages about it, but 
didn't understand them.

brynn

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 Hi Brynn,

 you could do one thing before you move the FAQ over:
 (test first if everything still works when you make this change)

 Turn all

 h2span id=some_id/span/h2

 below the current table of contents in the FAQ into

 h2 id=some_id.../h2

 (or whatever heading level it is, could also be h3, h4), so remove the
 span tags, and put the ids into the heading tag.

 This is in preparation for the new Table-Of-Contents-Plugin, which only
 extracts ids from headings, not from spans. I just tested it ;)

 Good night,
 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 31.01.2015 um 02:17 schrieb Brynn:
 Ok, now that 0.91 is ready, I'll be transferring the content from my new 
 Community, Learn, and FAQ
 pages to the live site, and start fixing the links.  I won't publish
 until I have all the links fixed.  But, before I get too far into the
 faq, I just want to make sure you don't want me to fix the id links.

 Thanks,
 brynn


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Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!

[Brynn]

2nd reply

What about when the span id is in a list item?  Does li 
id=whatever.../li work?

Thanks again  :-)

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 Hi Brynn,

 you could do one thing before you move the FAQ over:
 (test first if everything still works when you make this change)

 Turn all

 h2span id=some_id/span/h2

 below the current table of contents in the FAQ into

 h2 id=some_id.../h2

 (or whatever heading level it is, could also be h3, h4), so remove the
 span tags, and put the ids into the heading tag.

 This is in preparation for the new Table-Of-Contents-Plugin, which only
 extracts ids from headings, not from spans. I just tested it ;)

 Good night,
 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 31.01.2015 um 02:17 schrieb Brynn:
 Ok, now that 0.91 is ready, I'll be transferring the content from my new 
 Community, Learn, and FAQ
 pages to the live site, and start fixing the links.  I won't publish
 until I have all the links fixed.  But, before I get too far into the
 faq, I just want to make sure you don't want me to fix the id links.

 Thanks,
 brynn


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Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!

[Brynn]

Another detail.  What about links to specific image in the gallery 
(examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/).  Can they be 
made with plug-in?  Or should I leave as a href.

Thanks again  :-)

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 On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 19:58 -0700, Brynn wrote:
 What about when the span id is in a list item?  Does li
 id=whatever.../li work?

 Those don't need to be touched. Thats the part that will be replaced
 entirely by the plugin.

 Martin,
 

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[Inkscape-docs] official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links

[Brynn]

Hi again,
I'm sorry that I don't understand exactly how this works.  But I 
don't seem to have the ability to edit those official tutorials.  I noticed 
that some of their titles aren't quite right.  As below:

Basic tutorial -- ok
Advanced tutorial -- ok
Shapes tutorial -- ok
Bitmap tracing tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial:  Tracing should be Inkscape 
tutorial:  Tracing Bitmaps
Calligraphy tutorial -- ok
Elements of Design tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial: Elements should be 
Inkscape tutorial:  Elements of Design
Tips and Tricks tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial:   should be Inkscape 
tutorial:  Tips and Tricks
Interpolate tutorial -- ok

Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made with 
the  plug-in.  I'll be glad to get those ready today, if you like.

Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!

[Brynn]

 I just started on the Learn page, and ran into the same thing, with the 
 official tutorials.  They
 don't seem to have a listing in the dropdown either.  Should I do the
 same thing with them?

 - - Correct.

Oh, and that was such a simple plan!  Leave it to me to find an anomaly. 
There doesn't seem to be any /en in the url of the tutorials.  Example: 
https://inkscape.org/doc/basic/tutorial-basic.html

Should I still use the plug-in, but put the url in as is?

Thanks again  :-)

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 Hi Brynn,

 no need to apologize, I only explained, so other people who read this
 will know what it's about.

 So just to be clear,  you want me to use the plug-in, but take the /en 
 out of the url?

 - - Yes, that would be good..

 I just started on the Learn page, and ran into the same thing, with the 
 official tutorials.  They
 don't seem to have a listing in the dropdown either.  Should I do the
 same thing with them?

 - - Correct.

 We may need to check those links regularly and keep our eyes open for
 users reporting dead links - but right now, this is the only option we
 have to link to pictures from a gallery without putting the full gallery
 plugin there.

 Regards,
 Maren

 Thanks  :-)

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 Hi Brynn,

 the links to the example files, which are not easily accessible to Mac
 users because of the structure of their Inkscape program file, can be
 turned into plugin links.

 It was about accessibility, not about it 'being nicer' ;) People who
 don't have Inkscape installed can then also take a look, which isn't
 bad, as some of those demonstrate the various filters.

 You can link to them like this: https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/
 (take out the /en from the url, please, that way they will automatically
 redirect to the language the user chose). It is not currently possible
 to select them from the dropdown list.

 Thanks!

 @Martin: some of the files in that examples Inkspace
 (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/3506/), like this one:
 https://inkscape.org/gallery/item/2312/ , are svgz, and can't be
 displayed directly. I had added a thumbnail as a replacement for the
 item view, but it is only used in the Inkspace overview, and not
 displayed in item view any longer. Do you know why?


 Kind regards,
 Maren

 Am 31.01.2015 um 12:59 schrieb Brynn:
  No, I'm not editing the gallery.  I've transferred the new faq
 content to live site, and now
 I'm fixing all the links.  (not published yet)  Maren had loaded all the
 share/example files into the gallery, a while ago.  I wanted to link to
 some of them in the faq.  (I think you might have been ill when we
 discussed, and she worked on it.)  So I think she thought it would be
 nicer to have them in the gallery, rather than direct people how to look
 them up in their own systems (because we would have to give directions
 for all the kinds of systems).
 
  So I was just asking if there is a way to link to one of those 
  images,
 using the plug-in.  I know how to link to the gallery, using the
 plug-in, but not to a specific image.
 
  Thanks  :-)
 
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  Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now!
 
  On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 01:06 -0700, Brynn wrote:
  Another detail.  What about links to specific image in the gallery
  (examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/). 
  Can
  they be made with plug-in?  Or should I leave as a href.
 
  They can be made with links.
 
  Are you editing the gallery page? Because that's not really a cms
 page,
  it's a gallery listing plugin... which I should fix ;-)
 
  Martin,
 
 





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[Inkscape-docs] ready to translate

[Brynn]

Hi Maren and Martin,
Unless you find any errors (and please feel free to check), the new 
Learn, Community, and FAQ pages are up on live, linked with the plug-in, and 
ready to translate.  Also, on the faq, the span is removed from the h4s.
Martin said to leave alone the span where they were in a list item 
(unless I misunderstood).  So there are still some span ids in the list 
items.  The only outstanding issue is that there is no link to the manual 
for the new Measurement tool (item B.8.), because it hasn't been written yet 
(at least not as of last night).
Another minor issue is on Community page under IRC, this link: 
irc://irc.freenode.org/#inkscape.  I'm not very familiar with that kind of 
link, so I didn't have any clues how to fix it, when the plug-in reported 
there is an error with it (not valid, I think it said).  So I just left 
that as is.  I don't know if the problem is the plug-in or the link.  But it 
seems to work as is, so that's why I left it with a href.
Beyond those issues, you may particularly want to have a look at the 
Contribute section (D.) since it changed drastically, after putting its 
content on Contribute page, and the new Promote page.
If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!

Thanks,
brynn
PS - Martin recently mentioned about announcing changes to the website in 
the mailing list, but I'm not clear exactly what kind of changes.  Do you 
want me to post a message for this?  It seems like there have been a lot of 
fairly significant changes lately, so maybe there should be a summary, or 
something.  But again, I wasn't completely clear what he meant -- maybe 
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[Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready

[Brynn]

Hi Everyone,
These pages have basically the same content as before, but just 
rearranged, so that the page structure mirrors the sub-menu structure (or 
vice versa).  Of course, since I started them on staging, AND started before 
we discussed always using the django plugin for making links, I'll have to 
fix all the links once I transfer the content (from staging to live). 
(partly off topic, but using the link plugins will put a kink in the process 
of using the staging site to make drafts of pages, like I have, for the 
several pages I've worked on)

Anyway, if you'd like to review that I got everything right, and 
didn't forget anything.

Here is new Contribute: 
http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynns-contribute/?edit_off, and

Here is new Develop:  http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynnsdev/?edit_off.

Here's my plan:
 -- transfer the content, from staging to live pages
 -- fix all the links
 -- publish
 -- move Bug Management sub-menu item to the bottom

If we ever get guides for writing documentation and/or extensions, 
those would go below Bug Mgmt, at least for the time being.  I do realize 
that larger changes may be on the way, if Matthew's structure is adopted. 
But at least for now, this will be a little improvement.
(Also partly off topic -- if Matthew's structure is adopted, which 
removes 1 whole main menu item and sub-menu, maybe the Gallery could go into 
the main menu?  Maybe it's just me, but I think the Gallery needs top 
billing  :-) )
Ok then.  Please let me know if any changes are needed to these 
pages, and when I can go ahead with the transfer.

All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] new Contribute and Develop pages ready

[Brynn]

 The plug-in links in Contribute on live are already ready,

Ok, yes, good idea.  For Contribute, I can just make the few changes using 
the editor, and not transfer the whole content.

 - - Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports (and the link in the text)
 should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.

Hhmmm.  This content came originally from the old faq.  But I see what 
you mean.  I'll change it.

 - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.

Yes, I changed that, because there are 2 links in the Translations 
section -- 1 for translating the website, and 1 for translating the program. 
What about arranging it like the Bugs section just above -- with 2 bullets? 
Then each bullet title/heading could be a link?

 - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
 knowledge of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
 inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
 knowledge of C++ and / or Gtk development...) - this sounds less
 technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)

Yes, that sounds much better.  I'll change.

 - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
 - - from easy to hard:

It's currently arranged from easy to hard.  But I thought it made more sense 
to arrange it from most important to less important (or greatest need, to 
lesser need -- since the page is more or less about asking for help). 
That's basically how I arranged Contribute page.  Although it's quite 
possible that I don't have a clear understanding.

 Documentation (would also fit well into 'Contribute', I think, as no
 coding or knowledge of internal program structure is needed)

I gave that a good deal of thought, and almost sent a message about it.  I 
think it depends on what kind of documentation, as to how much knowledge of 
coding/programming is needed to write it.  For example, I could write a 
tutorial about basic or even intermediate tools/features.  But if called on 
to write a section of the manual about a new tool, for example, or a wiki 
article, I would not be able to do that.  I would need to understand more 
how the tool or program actually works.  This is another case where such a 
fine line divides contributing and developing.  But until there actually is 
a guide, for people like me, mostly only developers know how to write 
official documentation anyway.

Yes, I'll put the formatting back to left justified.  Although I think that 
makes it so much harder to read, and probably deters a lot of people from 
reading any of it (the all left justified text).  I really would like to 
see, or at least discuss doing this in the near future, if possible.

Thanks for looking it over, Maren  :-)

All best,
brynn


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 Hi Brynn,

 Here is new Contribute:
 http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynns-contribute/?edit_off, and

 - - I compared it to the current contribute page on live - and I must
 admit, that I like the one on live more, because it more directly talks
 to the user and sounds more inclusive... But I guess it would be good to
 move the long texts about development into the development section -
 they are nice, and it's good that you kept them ;)

 The plugin links in Contribute on live are already ready, you won't have
 to change much, only selectively copy some text over / remove some text.
 I thought that page had already been finished... as you had already
 added the new links to the extensions texts in the wiki and such on Jan.
 12th...

 - - Review and Verify Existing Bug Reports (and the link in the text)
 should link to 'Bug Management' in the Dev section, not to 'Report Bugs'.

 - - The 'Translations' section title should link to the translations page.


 Here is new Develop:  http://staging.inkscape.org/en/brynnsdev/?edit_off.


 - - The first sentence 'Working on Inkscape's code base requires
 knowlege of C++ and Gtk development.' could maybe better be placed
 inside the next sentence ('If you're a coder/programmer and have some
 knowlege of C++ and / or Gtk development...) - this sounds less
 technical and friendlier for a first sentence ;)

 - - Would it make sense to order the sections on that page by difficulty?
 - - from easy to hard:
 Documentation (would also fit well into 'Contribute', I think, as no
 coding or knowledge of internal program structure is needed) - Bug
 Management - Extensions - Core ; Packaging is somehow 'extra'.

 - - It's nice that you enlarged the font size and added indentation for
 better readability, but currently this will make things look
 inconsistent on live - we'll better do that in the site's css generally
 for all pages, than

Re: [Inkscape-docs] official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links

[Brynn]

Well I don't know if I want to get that involved.  It's just that it would 
make the website look nicer, to have the consistent titles.

It's getting a little late for me now, but if I can't finish today (links on 
Tutorials page),  I will asap.

Thanks,
brynn

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Subject: Re: official tutorials titles, Tutorials page links


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 Hi Brynn,

 the official tutorials are managed by jazzynico.
 Please file a bug report about their names on launchpad in inkscape, if
 you want them changed. Maybe it's a bug caused by the automatic creation
 of those files, but it might also be (partially) intentional. The names
 are the same for the tutorials shipped with the current and the last
 Inkscape version.

 Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made with the 
 plug-in.  I'll be glad to
 get those ready today, if you like.
 Go ahead ;)

 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 31.01.2015 um 19:15 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi again,
I'm sorry that I don't understand exactly how this works.  But
 I don't seem to have the ability to edit those official tutorials.  I
 noticed that some of their titles aren't quite right.  As below:

 Basic tutorial -- ok
 Advanced tutorial -- ok
 Shapes tutorial -- ok
 Bitmap tracing tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial:  Tracing should be
 Inkscape tutorial:  Tracing Bitmaps
 Calligraphy tutorial -- ok
 Elements of Design tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial: Elements should be
 Inkscape tutorial:  Elements of Design
 Tips and Tricks tutorial -- Inkscape tutorial:   should be Inkscape
 tutorial:  Tips and Tricks
 Interpolate tutorial -- ok

Also, it looks like the links on the Tutorials page aren't made
 with the  plug-in.  I'll be glad to get those ready today, if you like.

 Thanks,
 brynn




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[Inkscape-docs] bug report not in proper account

[Brynn]

Hi Martin and Maren,
I just happened to notice this bug report in the regular Inkscape 
Launchpad account:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/1416778.  I 
guess you all already pay enough attention to all the bugs, and you will see 
it eventually.  But in this case, early in the new release, with this 
complaint, I wanted to make sure you didn't miss it.
Probably I dontbut if I do have the right kind of access, is 
there a way I can sort of send this report to the Inkscape-web account?

brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] ready to translate

[Brynn]

 - - I took care of them - they are now h5 instead of li, so that they
 will appear in the plug-in-generated table of contents.

Something got mixed up in C.17.f.2. when you did that.  There should be 2 
separate numbered lists (a list of 5 and a list of 2, with a line of text in 
between.  But now there's just one (list of 7).

And the line that's supposed to be at the end of that item, is above the 
list of 7, instead of at the end.  Well, I guess you know how to use the 
History.  But you could compare to the faq on staging, to see how it used to 
be, if you need to.

If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!

 - - Are you talking about the Microsoft format or some other markup
 language? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
 HTML already provides all those capabilities, and it doesn't seem worse
 to me than that. Also, this would add an additional layer for
 interpretation, and errors, to the editor

I meant put a smiley in my email, because of being finished with the 
project.  Not on the website, of course!

Ok good!  I'll try to remember to check the manual for the new Measurement 
tool info, and add that link when it's available.  But beyond that I'm done 
with these pages  :-D

All best!


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Subject: Re: ready to translate


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 Hi Brynn,

Unless you find any errors (and please feel free to check), the 
 new Learn, Community, and
 FAQ pages are up on live, linked with the plug-in, and ready to
 translate.  Also, on the faq, the span is removed from the h4s.

 - - Thank you, Brynn :)
Martin said to leave alone the span where they were in a list item 
 (unless I
 misunderstood).  So there are still some span ids in the list items.

 - - I took care of them - they are now h5 instead of li, so that they
 will appear in the plugin-generated table of contents.

 The only outstanding issue is that there is no link to the manual for the 
 new Measurement tool (item
 B.8.), because it hasn't been written yet (at least not as of last night).

 - - I couldn't find any dead link, so I don't see a problem here. We can
 always put in additional info when it's available.

Another minor issue is on Community page under IRC, this link:
 irc://irc.freenode.org/#inkscape.  I'm not very familiar with that kind
 of link, so I didn't have any clues how to fix it, when the plug-in
 reported there is an error with it (not valid, I think it said).  So I
 just left that as is.  I don't know if the problem is the plug-in or the
 link.  But it seems to work as is, so that's why I left it with a href.

 - - You did the right thing. Our Link plugin does not recognize the irc
 protocol, which is okay - the browser wouldn't know what to do with it,
 either.

Beyond those issues, you may particularly want to have a look at 
 the Contribute section (D.)
 since it changed drastically, after putting its content on Contribute
 page, and the new Promote page.

 - - It's good. I only added in a few words to the first sentence of that
 section.

If I could use rich text, I'd put in a happy dance smiley or 2!

 - - Are you talking about the Microsoft format or some other markup
 language? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
 HTML already provides all those capabilities, and it doesn't seem worse
 to me than that. Also, this would add an additional layer for
 interpretation, and errors, to the editor


 Thanks,
 brynn
 PS - Martin recently mentioned about announcing changes to the website
 in the mailing list, but I'm not clear exactly what kind of changes.  Do
 you want me to post a message for this?  It seems like there have been a
 lot of fairly significant changes lately, so maybe there should be a
 summary, or something.  But again, I wasn't completely clear what he
 meant -- maybe meant code changes?  TA  :-)

 - - No, he meant contents changes. It would be good if you could sum up
 which pages have been changed, and *very* roughly what you changed, so
 the developers (beyond translators, who are kept up to date by me) know
 what is happening to their website ;)

 Regards,
 Maren

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] time to finish my new pages now!

[Brynn]

No, I'm not editing the gallery.  I've transferred the new faq content to 
live site, and now I'm fixing all the links.  (not published yet)  Maren had 
loaded all the share/example files into the gallery, a while ago.  I wanted 
to link to some of them in the faq.  (I think you might have been ill when 
we discussed, and she worked on it.)  So I think she thought it would be 
nicer to have them in the gallery, rather than direct people how to look 
them up in their own systems (because we would have to give directions for 
all the kinds of systems).

So I was just asking if there is a way to link to one of those images, using 
the plug-in.  I know how to link to the gallery, using the plug-in, but not 
to a specific image.

Thanks  :-)

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Subject: Re: time to finish my new pages now!

 On Sat, 2015-01-31 at 01:06 -0700, Brynn wrote:
 Another detail.  What about links to specific image in the gallery
 (examples, such as https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/2312/).  Can
 they be made with plug-in?  Or should I leave as a href.

 They can be made with links.

 Are you editing the gallery page? Because that's not really a cms page,
 it's a gallery listing plugin... which I should fix ;-)

 Martin,
 

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[Inkscape-docs] complaint about translation

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I saw this message in InkscapeForum 
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=21t=18053p=68680#p68643 and 
answered it the best I could.  But the complaint about the Slovenian 
translation seems troubling -- the part where 0.91 does not have as much 
translated content as 0.48.5 had.  So I just wanted to let you know.  Maybe 
should be a bug report, but I'll leave that up to you all  :-)

All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] About SVG page

[Brynn]

Hi again,
Hhmm...well now I'm having 2nd thoughts about adding those 
tutorials.   Can you look at them, and judge whether they are too 
out-of-date?  Or do you think they will be about like the book -- still 
useful?  It's all a bit over my head, especially the math and scripting.
These are the tutorials that share the same domain:
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialBasics/
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialMath/
http://learnsvg.com/tutorials/tutorialScripting/
It's too bad everything isn't all linked together, like you'd 
expect, then we'd only need to link to the front page.  But maybe there's a 
reason?

Thanks :-)
brynn

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Subject: Re: About SVG page


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 Hi Brynn,

 I do still want to add the Learn SVG website,
 and the tutorials which are on that same domain (although somehow not
 linked to each other), if that's ok, as well as the book.

 - - The website and book are in now, and I've gotten feedback from Tav
 and adapted the page, so you can now add the still missing tutorials ;)


 But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics.  It will be
 fun and informative  :-)  Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop?
 I would think Learn, but I often don't see the big picture.

 - - To me, Learn also makes more sense, as it's geared towards a more
 general audience - not only Inkscape developers want to make their
 pictures move ;)

 Regards,
 Maren



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 Hachmann ma...@goos-habermann.de Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015
 5:33 PM To: Brynn br...@frii.com;
 inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: About SVG page


 Hi Brynn,

 thank you for your feedback!

 ad 1) I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights.
 The expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like
 that available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website
 feature request?

 ad 3) No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This
 shouldn't prevent you from starting with the animation page, though.
 I can take care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would
 like to proceed.

 The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good
 selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and
 renamed two items. Thank you!

 Regards, Maren

 Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi again, This is a reply to the last msg in the Where does
 this belong
 thread.  But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more
 about the new page.  I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.

 1.I was just looking at the new About SVG page that
 Maren
 started, which looks awesome!  The one thing that I wonder about is
 the section of code in the middle.  It's approx 5.5 pages long, on
 my screen.  Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2
 to 4 pts), so that it takes up less space?  Or show less of the code?
 Or maybe put it on another page, and link to it?  Or have a very
 small block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click,
 or mouseover, it expands down?
 I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
 good thing.  But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will
 think that's the end of the page, and move on?  Plus, I imagine the
 How does Inkscape use SVG section could be fairly long, as well.

 2.Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just
 put the
 URL for each link, on the draft page.

 3.Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any
 idea
 when it will go up on live?  I ask, because I'm anxious to start a
 page for animation topics, but want to see this through first.

 4.Does anyone know who might be responsible for the
 Learn SVG
 site, or at least who put it on the Books page?  It still just bugs
 me that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via
 link from its front page).  It's something that makes me think the
 site will succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already
 started) and makes me not want to use it.  But otherwise, it really
 is a nice site.

 Thanks, brynn


 -- From: Maren
 Hachmann ma...@goos-habermann.de Sent: Wednesday, March 04,
 2015 12:50 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong?
 (advanced SVG
 coding)

 Hi everyone,

 I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu
 at http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg. There
 aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not
 being transferable from staging to live. Text formatting
 isn't finished yet, either.

 The last section, where links to external pages will live, is
 your realm, Brynn

Re: [Inkscape-docs] About SVG page

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
Yeah, that shorter section of code really looks better.  If we don't want to 
have an expandable section, or link to the whole amount of code, maybe just 
a note about how to find it, if someone wants to see the whole thing?  (e.g. 
open it in Inkscape and look at XML Editor, or look at source code in a 
browser)

Hah, I have the SVG 2.0 draft on my list, but somehow it didn't make it onto 
the page.  Although on the other hand, I didn't realize I was finished 
completely!  I do still want to add the Learn SVG website, and the tutorials 
which are on that same domain (although somehow not linked to each other), 
if that's ok, as well as the book.  I was still hoping to get some more info 
about the Learn SVG site, before putting it on About SVG page.  But now I'm 
thinking I won't be getting anymore info.  And I'll just plan on keeping an 
eye on the link.

But I'll be happy to start a page on animation topics.  It will be fun and 
informative  :-)  Should it be in Learn sub-menu, or Develop?  I would think 
Learn, but I often don't see the big picture.

All best,
brynn


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Subject: Re: About SVG page


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 Hi Brynn,

 thank you for your feedback!

 ad 1)
 I was able to shorten it to a bit less than 3 screen heights. The
 expanding box would be nice, but we don't have something like that
 available currently, I believe. Maybe something for a website feature
 request?

 ad 3)
 No ETA yet. I still need feedback and keywords from Tav. This shouldn't
 prevent you from starting with the animation page, though. I can take
 care of the rest of this page ('About SVG'), if you would like to proceed.

 The link selection you added to the page looks like a really good
 selection, I only added the SVG 2.0 draft to the link list, and renamed
 two items. Thank you!

 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 07.03.2015 um 02:34 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi again,
This is a reply to the last msg in the Where does this belong
 thread.  But I think that topic has ended, and has now become more about
 the new page.  I hope it's ok to start a new thread like this.

 1.I was just looking at the new About SVG page that Maren
 started, which looks awesome!  The one thing that I wonder about is the
 section of code in the middle.  It's approx 5.5 pages long, on my
 screen.  Would it be possible to make the text smaller (say by 2 to 4
 pts), so that it takes up less space?  Or show less of the code?  Or
 maybe put it on another page, and link to it?  Or have a very small
 block, say 100 or 200 pixels square, and when you either click, or
 mouseover, it expands down?
I completely understand the purpose of showing it, and it's a
 good thing.  But after 2 or 3 page-downs, I wonder if visitors will
 think that's the end of the page, and move on?  Plus, I imagine the How
 does Inkscape use SVG section could be fairly long, as well.

 2.Since we can't make the links yet, I guess I'll just put the
 URL for each link, on the draft page.

 3.Now that we have this draft on staging, is there any idea
 when it will go up on live?  I ask, because I'm anxious to start a page
 for animation topics, but want to see this through first.

 4.Does anyone know who might be responsible for the Learn SVG
 site, or at least who put it on the Books page?  It still just bugs me
 that various parts of that site aren't connected together (via link from
 its front page).  It's something that makes me think the site will
 succumb to bitrot sooner than later (maybe has already started) and
 makes me not want to use it.  But otherwise, it really is a nice site.

 Thanks,
 brynn


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 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:50 PM
 To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? (advanced SVG
 coding)

 Hi everyone,

 I've started the 'About SVG' page for the 'Develop' submenu at
 http://staging.inkscape.org/en/develop/about-svg.
 There aren't any links in it yet, because of the plugin links not being
 transferable from staging to live.
 Text formatting isn't finished yet, either.

 The last section, where links to external pages will live, is your
 realm, Brynn :)

 For the next-to-last section, I would appreciate Tav's and every other
 developer's help for prompting me with some keywords, and probably
 people will also have additional remarks for the 'Why...' section.

 Improvement / wording / orthography suggestions welcome!

 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 04.03.2015 um 18:17 schrieb Maren Hachmann:

 Hi Brynn,

 Am 04.03.2015 um 00:52 schrieb Brynn:

  I did a little searching, but then I wanted to see the overview that
  you were going to write, to get some hints

Re: [Inkscape-docs] manual page re animation

[Brynn]

Yes, I read the text over and over again.  But I just didn't understand it. 
It sounds like there's some issue with Firefox, but that's all I could 
understand.  It says:

One must explicitly force the image to reload.

But it doesn't say how to do that.  It does work to right-click  View 
Image.  But that opens the image in a new page.  Once on that new page, 
Refresh/Reload does restart the animation.

Well, I guess that's good info for people who are exploring animation with 
Inkscape.  But I couldn't have figured it out on my own.

Then it says:  Both Firefox and Chrome require the date trick as used for 
Chrome above.

But that seems to apply to how the page is coded, and not how the visitor 
can make the page work.  It clearly says Click image to reload.  But that 
doesn't work.

And if applying the date trick will allow the animation to work, it must 
not have been used for this image.  Why?  [Looks up source]  Oh, but it 
HAS been used!

So I think something must be wrong.  Right?

Thanks again,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] manual page re animation


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 Hi Brynn,

 you cannot see the animation of the middle picture, because it only runs
 when the page is loaded for the first time, if I understand the text
 above the picture correctly (never saw the animation when I just loaded
 the page).
 As it is in the middle of he page, it will not be visible to you - or
 maybe, it doesn't run at all, I can't tell.

 To see it move, you need to right-click on the image, and select 'show
 picture' or 'view picture' or whatever it is in the english Firefox 
 version.

 As Tav mentions this on the page itself, I think this won't need a bug
 report, it's probably more of a Firefox animation implementation problem.

 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 23.03.2015 um 01:43 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi Friends,
 I've just started working on a new page for the website, about
 animation and Inkscape.  So I was looking at the info in the manual,
 and I
 noticed this page:  http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/ANIMATION/.
 The illustration in the middle section of that page, Animation
 and
 CSS, doesn't seem to work with Firefox.  The other 2 illustrations do
 show
 the animation when I click on them.  But nothing with the one in the
 middle.
 Note that the image is animated on click, in IE11.
 Is this a known problem -- with the manual or with Firefox?
 Should
 make bug report in LP Documentation account?

 Thanks for your help,
 brynn




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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? (advanced SVG coding)

[Brynn]

I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the Around 
the Internet page (the outside galleries page), Community (forums), as 
well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going.  (And maybe 1 or 2 in the 
new FAQ.)

Bryce, when you say our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.  do you 
mean using SVG 2  on the website, or do you mean reporting about how 
Inkscape implements SVG 2?

Thanks for explaining.  My brains starts to glaze over when the subject of 
'specifications' comes up  8-)

brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? (advanced SVG coding)

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
 On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
  We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about.  And
  the
  other links I have are just 2 or 3.  But maybe starting a page would
  inspire
  some developers to fill it in?


 This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
 is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.

 This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.

 One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
 maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
 and 3rd party links especially.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? (advanced SVG coding)

[Brynn]

In light of our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support. which will be 
discussing how Inkscape uses SVG 2, maybe we should re-think where to put 
such a new page.

I had the impression we were thinking about having it in the Develop menu, 
because mostly developers would be interested.  But I was still thinking it 
should go in Learn, because it would not be strictly limited to interest by 
developers.

But if it will also include info about how Inkscape uses SVG 2 (in the 
future) maybe that will help determine where it should go?

Meanwhile, I started my search for more websites about this, or other 
resources, and may have solved the mystery of how this Learn SVG website got 
to be on the Books and Manuals pageor at least shed a lot of light on 
it.  When searching learn svg the first result is that site.  However, the 
text that's shown in the description of my DDG search:

A site for the book Learn SVG: The Web Graphics Standard, which is a 
beginner-level book presented in a workbook-like format, covering the main 
aspects of SVG. Includes examples and tutorials.

must come from either a previous incarnation of that site, or some hidden 
source.  I don't really understand much about how search engines work, but I 
thought they took the first couple of lines of text from the home page, for 
the description.  In this case, I can't find the description anywhere on 
that site.  But apparently, the site either used to, or was originally 
intended, to promote this book.

The first mention of any book, that I can find, is 
https://www.microsoft.com/learning/en-us/book.aspx?ID=15525.  But I don't 
think that's the book that was supposed to be (or somehow is) promoted, 
because it's not a workbook.  Anyway, if we can find this book, it certainly 
should be listed on Books and Manuals page!

And where to start this new page about SVG should probably be decided, 
before we start (or else we'll have to go through the same routine with 
changing text links at the last minute, as we did with the recent new 
pages).

Should we plan on a whole new main menu item SVG with so far, 2 pages -- 1 
about learning how to write SVG, and 1 about how Inkscape uses SVG.  Or 
should it be Learn SVG page in Learn menu, and put info about how Inkscape 
uses SVG 2 in News?  Or some other arrangement?

Thanks,
brynn

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 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 01:50:31AM -0700, Brynn wrote:
 I'll be sure to keep an eye on those, along with the others on the
 Around the Internet page (the outside galleries page), Community
 (forums), as well as Tutorials, if that page ever gets going.  (And
 maybe 1 or 2 in the new FAQ.)

 Bryce, when you say our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
 do you mean using SVG 2  on the website, or do you mean reporting
 about how Inkscape implements SVG 2?

 The former would be spiffy, but what I meant was the latter.

 And more specifically, as SVG 2 is still muchly a work in progress, the
 website could serve a good purpose by providing links to SVG 2
 references and examples, and explaining work needed in inkscape to
 implement the same.  This is an area Tav is very passionate about, and
 he might be able to supply you with a lot of information.

 Thanks for explaining.  My brains starts to glaze over when the
 subject of 'specifications' comes up  8-)

 I know.  :-)  They're quite important though!

 Bryce

 brynn

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 To: Martin Owens docto...@gmail.com
 Cc: Brynn br...@frii.com; Inkscape-Docs
 inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] where does this belong? (advanced SVG 
 coding)

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 06:53:05PM -0500, Martin Owens wrote:
 On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 15:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
  We don't have an SVG section for developers that I know about.  And
  the
  other links I have are just 2 or 3.  But maybe starting a page would
  inspire
  some developers to fill it in?
 
 
 This sounds like the best course of action Brynn. Even a semi-good page
 is better than no page and we can evolve it from there.
 
 This should fit in well with our goal of adopting some SVG 2 support.
 
 One thing to keep in mind though is ensuring the page gets proper
 maintenance going forward; technical stuff bitrots quickly on the web,
 and 3rd party links especially.
 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

[Brynn]

I'm thinking either Learn menu or Learn page.

I guess for the Learn menu, to continue with the current structure, the URL 
should be http:///learn/keys091, or something like that.  I also guess 
there's probably a way to put it in the menu without changing it's URL 
(although I'm not immediately sure how).

But putting a link on the Learn page, that issue goes away.  Another option 
might be Tutorials page.  But it's not really a tutorial.

Just my thoughts  :-)

brynn

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 I agree with your thoughts Brynn,

 Where to put a good link to the docs page? We can choose a menu item
 or we can link from another page.

 Any ideas.

 Martin,

 On 18 May 2015 at 06:22, Brynn br...@frii.com wrote:
 Hi Friends,
 I wonder if anyone else would like to see this, or thinks it 
 should
 happen?  I've noticed that the Inkscape Keyboard and Mouse Reference has
 been moved to the websitesome time ago, actually.
 (https://inkscape.org/en/doc/keys091.html).
 Often I want to look something up, on that page, but I don't have
 Inkscape open at the moment.  (Usually it's to answer forum messages.)  I
 think it would be nice to have a link to it, in a menu, or somewhere
 relatively easy to findlike maybe on the Learn page?
 Or is there already a link somewhere, and I just haven't found it
 yet?  I tried using the site Search.  Some results were found, but not 
 that
 page.  (tried several different search tems)
 Thanks  :-)

 All best,
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[Inkscape-docs] how to use Edit Link on website

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I just made some links on the proposed new animation page that I've 
been working on, and saved the page.  But something went wrong, and not all 
the links worked.  (When I clicked on the links, on the saved page to test, 
nothing happened.)
So I went back into the editor and used right-click  Edit Link. 
But it does not show the URL, so I can't get any idea what I did wrong.  All 
I could do was re-create the link, and hope it worked the 2nd time.  But not 
knowing what I had done wrong, theoretically it could have gone on like that 
forever!
Will there be any way to have the URL displayed somewhere from the 
django editor?  I can always close out the editor, and use my browser to see 
what it was showing as the URL.  But it might not have been the URL that was 
the problem.  I really don't know what the problem was, in this case, 
because I didn't think of using the browser the first time.  I just 
re-created the links, and now they do work.
When I use Edit Link, the first thing that shows is a small dropdown 
menu with 3 options.  When I choose URL, it shows me Procol dropdown and a 
URL field that's blank.  So if we have to use CMS Plugins  Link to correct 
a broken link, why bother having Edit Link in the context menu at all?

Thanks for your help :-)
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] how to use Edit Link on website

[Brynn]

Ooohh, Edit Plugin.  Yes that works just fine!

That solves my problem.

Thanks again,
brynn

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 Am 18.05.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi Friends,
 I just made some links on the proposed new animation page that 
 I've
 been working on, and saved the page.  But something went wrong, and not 
 all
 the links worked.  (When I clicked on the links, on the saved page to 
 test,
 nothing happened.)
 So I went back into the editor and used right-click  Edit Link.
 - That's possible, but better choose 'Edit Plugin' (see below). You
 could also just double-click on the link in the text editor.
 But it does not show the URL,
 - Do you mean the URL field is empty?
 Which links does this concern?
 The 'internal' links can only be seen in the dropdown. For those it is
 normal that there is nothing in the URL field.

 so I can't get any idea what I did wrong.  All
 I could do was re-create the link, and hope it worked the 2nd time.  But 
 not
 knowing what I had done wrong, theoretically it could have gone on like 
 that
 forever!
 - Just ask, like you did now ;)
 Will there be any way to have the URL displayed somewhere from 
 the
 django editor?  I can always close out the editor, and use my browser to 
 see
 what it was showing as the URL.  But it might not have been the URL that 
 was
 the problem.  I really don't know what the problem was, in this case,
 because I didn't think of using the browser the first time.  I just
 re-created the links, and now they do work.
 - I usually have the original version open in a second tab...
 When I use Edit Link, the first thing that shows is a small 
 dropdown
 menu with 3 options.  When I choose URL, it shows me Procol dropdown and 
 a
 URL field that's blank.
 - Aaaah, now we get to it. Use 'Edit Plugin', not 'Edit Link'. It's a
 link plugin you inserted, so a link plugin needs to be edited.

 So if we have to use CMS Plugins  Link to correct
 a broken link, why bother having Edit Link in the context menu at all?
 - That's a good question. The editor offers some additional options for
 setting properties of the link via 'Edit Link' (never tried if they
 work!), but the wording is a bit inappropriate - it seems supposed to
 mean 'Edit additional link properties', not 'Edit URL' ;) Maybe that was
 just too long...

 If you have 'non-plugin' links, those can be edited via 'Edit link',
 also their URL, as one would expect.

 Regards,
 Maren

 Thanks for your help :-)
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[Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I wonder if anyone else would like to see this, or thinks it should 
happen?  I've noticed that the Inkscape Keyboard and Mouse Reference has 
been moved to the websitesome time ago, actually. 
(https://inkscape.org/en/doc/keys091.html).
Often I want to look something up, on that page, but I don't have 
Inkscape open at the moment.  (Usually it's to answer forum messages.)  I 
think it would be nice to have a link to it, in a menu, or somewhere 
relatively easy to findlike maybe on the Learn page?
Or is there already a link somewhere, and I just haven't found it 
yet?  I tried using the site Search.  Some results were found, but not that 
page.  (tried several different search tems)
Thanks  :-)

All best,
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[Inkscape-docs] missing files?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
Someone on InkscapeForum mentioned there is no (compiled) dev 
version for Windows on https://inkscape.org/en/download/.  Is there just no 
compiled version available?  .or maybe there never is?  Or is it 
missing?
Just need to know what to tell them, since I'm not very familiar 
with using dev versions.

Thanks,
brynn



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[Inkscape-docs] public to-do or volunteers needed section on website

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
This may be something for LP, but I thought I would post here first, 
just to be sure.  Someone mentioned recently putting up a page on the 
website (maybe Maren), listing all the work we need (or hope) to be done, not 
just on the 
website but for the project as a whole, and asking for volunteers.  Kind of 
help needed board, or volunteers wanted or jobs postings
I suppose it would be a page under Contribute.  It would list the 
jobs or tasks available, and also indicate the skills or experience that 
would be needed for it.  Also who to contact, how to contact, etc. I suspect 
we have people in the community who might like to help, but who don't 
realize what is needed.
Some examples:
-- a webmaster or someone who knows about content management (or there 
might be a better way to say that, but just for example)
-- other needs for website (Maren and Martin know more)
-- a tutorial or guide to writing extensions
-- a tutorial or guide to compiling on our 3 supported systems
-- I'm sure some of you have other ideas, as well?
-- maybe can't hurt to mention the need for translators here too (in 
addition to the other page)
-- work needed related to 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1428463
-- etc.
Should I make a feature request?  Or just make page?

All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,

 Is compiling a user topic? Or is this developer realm? For me, it's a
 bit in a grey zone in between, but more on the dev side. Testers would
 need that. Or people who want to offer Inkscape for download.

Perhaps you would be surprised how many Inkscape users like to use the 
development build?  Witness this old topic from IF (circa 2008):
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6t=1289
I don't think snapshots are still available, although I could be wrong.

And this quite new topic (couple of weeks ago):
http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11t=18869

There have been many times I would like to use a development version for 
short term projects, although not for my regular use, except I don't know 
how to compile.  (I found the development version of Ponyscape in a zip 
file, and I do play with that now and then.  But I don't otherwise keep up 
with Ponyscape development.)

For those Inkscape users who already know how to compile, they do use dev 
versions.  As far as I can tell, when someone knows how to compile, they 
prefer the development version.  I could name you 5 users right now, using a 
dev version, (or who would, if available for Windows) and given some time 
could list 10 or more.

 You could add that to the to-do list, to a new 'Website' section, as
 'needs update'
 Just like these:
 https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/,
 https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/ (that last one might just
 need a quick glance by someone who knows how it works, could still be
 current)

You lost me there.  To-do list, new Website section, needs update??  If 
I understand what you're saying, I might be about to post a new message on a 
subject related to to-do list.

All best,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?

 Hi Brynn,

 Am 20.06.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi Maren (and whoever else might be interested),
For the new faq item pointing to the roadmap, I'm thinking in the
 first section 
Did you already do this?  Or was it already done, and I didn't
 realize it?  That's why it's showing unpublished? (banging head smiley
 again!)  Ok if I add the caution about the flexibility of the roadmap?

 - Right, it's already in the FAQ:
 https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Will_there_be_an_Inkscape_1.00?_What_would_it_be_like?

 Yes, please add the note about possible changes / not taking that by the
 letter there.

Re the list of wiki articles that I thought needed to be added to
 documentation, that are currently linked from the faq.  Ok, so attached
 is a new document I started, with these faq items at the top, and we can
 add below as we work through the wiki.

 - Nice :)

Briefly, it sounds like we agree that #1 and #2 would be good to
 be documented.  #3 and #4 are no longer applicable (the faq items which
 linked to them aren't there anymore -- I think there was some last
 minute editing, or otherwise sometime since I wrote that list, that
 those items were either dropped or changed, and the info isn't needed).

 However, I think it would be awesome to have instructions for compiling,
 for all 3 supported systems!

 - Yes :) But those instructions (esp. the necessary libraries you need
 to install before you compile) change rapidly (relative to Inkscape-time
 units :)).
 I don't know if it is possible to make them so generic as to keep them
 current for as long as possible.

 Is compiling a user topic? Or is this developer realm? For me, it's a
 bit in a grey zone in between, but more on the dev side. Testers would
 need that. Or people who want to offer Inkscape for download.

 For the normal users, pre-release versions are available for download
 for previewing when a new release is nearing, and daily builds for
 Ubuntu are available all the time, too. I think ~suv is creating OS X
 builds regularly.

 Compiling on Linux/Debian-based systems is quite generic and easy, and
 there's a (mostly, don't know about dependencies) current version on the
 Wiki: http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingUbuntu

 For Windows, the last update by TheAdib is from last summer:
 http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Creating_Inkscape_distributions#Creating_a_Windows_Distro

 For OS X, there's a clearly outdated guide:
 http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/CompilingMacOsX

 Oh, oops - I just found that the info *is* already on the website:
 https://inkscape.org/en/develop/getting-started/
 (could probably profit from an update, though)

 You could add that to the to-do list, to a new 'Website' section, as
 'needs update'
 Just like these:
 https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/,
 https://inkscape.org/en/develop/debugging/ (that last one might just
 need a quick glance by someone who knows how it works, could

Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
   Out of curiosity, when you type wik in you browser, how does it 
know to find the Inkscape wiki, and not Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or some 
other program's wiki, etc?
   If users are looking to the Roadmap as set in stone then they 
simply need to be informed properly.  For as long as I've been using 
Inkscape (8 years), the wiki has been a resource for both users and 
developers.  Most of them have no idea that it's being groomed as 'developer 
only'.  Ask Martin how many times I asked him to confirm that, Yes, the wiki 
will only be for developers.  At least 4 or 5, as I recall.  **It's a 
radical change, and afaik, I'm the only user who knows that.**
   Not only do I have a list of wiki articles that are user-related, 
that are linked from the FAQ (attached), I actually started to make a list 
of ALL wiki articles that are for users.  But I started getting tripped up 
when I came to things I didn't understand, and wasn't sure if they were for 
users or not.
   I would be glad to start working on that again, if I could get some 
guidance from you, on pages where I have questions.  All I could do is make 
a list, but that might be a starting place for someone else?
   (Note that when I first started working on the FAQ, I don't think 
you were involved yet.  After I announced some of my work on the dev mailing 
list, it was Bryce who said that if I found info in the wiki which really 
should be in the documentation, to make note of it.  It's possible that it's 
not appropriate for some of this to be documented, but that was my best 
understanding at the time.)
   I guess the FAQ would be my best idea as the best place for the 
Roadmap to be linked, if it should not be on the website.  But it would go a 
long way towards preventing users from thinking it's a done deal by 
putting a simple sentence at the top of the page, to that effect.  That 
could also be said in the faq.
   I was just about to add those couple of links I've been putting off 
adding.  So shall I make the new faq item for the roadmap, while I'm at it?



- You're quite hardy :)
I've internally categorized most of the Wiki pages as 'outdated' or
'describing a plan, but not necessarily the real implementation'...


Inkscape forums can be quite competitive, as to who gets the right answer. 
Although it's never really verbalized, many are aware!


Where can I look to find out whether a page is outdated or describing a 
plan?



Could you keep track of the kind of info you are looking up, so we can
maybe find a way to include the main components on the website?


I don't remember everything I've looked up, but once was info about the new 
Symbols dialog.  And if the new manual comes out pretty soon, I won't have 
to go to the wiki anymore.
   This is a whole other subject, but I wish we had like a team to 
write the manual, so it wouldn't all be on 1 person's shoulders!  I mean, 
Inkscape really should have it's own official manual, rather than an 
official manual.  And imo, the official manual should be on the website. 
But again, that's another subject.


Thanks,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?


Hi Brynn,

Am 19.06.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Brynn:

Hi Maren,
   Yes, I understand that the intent for the wiki is more for
developers.  I didn't mean there should be a more prominent link for
users to get to the wiki.  I meant for developers, but others could use
it too.


- Mmh. For devs, the link isn't too hidden, I think:
https://inkscape.org/en/develop/ , fourth paragraph
(but also new devs should not rely on the info in the Wiki being up to
date).

I usually just type 'wik' into my browser's address line, and then
autocompletion kicks in...


   I don't know.  Maybe developers just don't need to go from
website to wiki.  Maybe it's just me.
   But fwiw, what I'm looking for most often is the Release Notes,


- I think that for the next version we could try and get the Release
Notes on the website when they are finalized. They are an important part
of the documentation. This will also make it easier for our translators'
team (who have access to website editing, but most don't have wiki
privileges) to translate them (translating Release Notes is a difficult
task by itself...).


Roadmap,


- The Roadmap is being changed by devs all the time - and users should
not rely on it too much - but unfortunately, they often take it by the
letter, and are then disappointed... It's good info, but I'm a bit
hesitant to put it on the website. Is there a place on the website which
could profit from a direct link to the Roadmap?
(maybe: The Next Release, FAQ, Features?)


and I often search the wiki while trying to answer support
questions from forums.


- You're quite hardy

Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren (and whoever else might be interested),
   For the new faq item pointing to the roadmap, I'm thinking in the 
first section 
   Did you already do this?  Or was it already done, and I didn't 
realize it?  That's why it's showing unpublished? (banging head smiley 
again!)  Ok if I add the caution about the flexibility of the roadmap?
   Re the list of wiki articles that I thought needed to be added to 
documentation, that are currently linked from the faq.  Ok, so attached is a 
new document I started, with these faq items at the top, and we can add 
below as we work through the wiki.
   Briefly, it sounds like we agree that #1 and #2 would be good to be 
documented.  #3 and #4 are no longer applicable (the faq items which linked 
to them aren't there anymore -- I think there was some last minute editing, 
or otherwise sometime since I wrote that list, that those items were either 
dropped or changed, and the info isn't needed).  However, I think it would 
be awesome to have instructions for compiling, for all 3 supported systems!
   #5 is the Illustrator info.  When I first started with Inkscape, 
there was some demand for this info.  I used to see messages in forums from 
Illustrator users wishing to switch over -- at least enough messages to 
warrant the article or chapter in the manual.  I haven't seen a message like 
that for probably.2 or 3 years.  I'm not sure why.  It seems to me that 
the info should still be relevant (current info, I mean, current to both 
programs).
   But let's not get too hung up on how to accomplish this stuff. 
Let's just make the list for Step 1.  And maybe by the time we're done, 
we'll be getting some ideas about Step 2.  How does that sound?
   Shortly after I send this, I'll add the list of 10 or 15 pages from 
the list I told you I had started (separate from the 1 for the faq), and we 
can discuss whenever we have time.  Does that sound ok?


All best,
brynn

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To: Brynn br...@frii.com; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the wiki?


Hi Brynn,

Am 20.06.2015 um 06:00 schrieb Brynn:

Hi Maren,
   Out of curiosity, when you type wik in you browser, how does it
know to find the Inkscape wiki, and not Wikipedia, or Wikimedia, or some
other program's wiki, etc?


- The browser proposes the pages I have visited most often first ;) The
other pages range below in the list it shows me.



   If users are looking to the Roadmap as set in stone then they
simply need to be informed properly.  For as long as I've been using
Inkscape (8 years), the wiki has been a resource for both users and
developers.  Most of them have no idea that it's being groomed as
'developer only'.  Ask Martin how many times I asked him to confirm
that, Yes, the wiki will only be for developers.  At least 4 or 5, as I
recall.  **It's a radical change, and afaik, I'm the only user who knows
that.**


- I'm a user, too ;)
New people who want to download, or learn about Inkscape - at least in
my google results - are guided to inkscape.org, not to
wiki.inkscape.org. For the first few weeks that I was here, I didn't
even know the Wiki existed (until I translated the pages that link to it).
It seems this was different in a time when I haven't been part of the
project, didn't know that.


   Not only do I have a list of wiki articles that are user-related,
that are linked from the FAQ (attached), I actually started to make a
list of ALL wiki articles that are for users.  But I started getting
tripped up when I came to things I didn't understand, and wasn't sure if
they were for users or not.
   I would be glad to start working on that again, if I could get
some guidance from you, on pages where I have questions.  All I could do
is make a list, but that might be a starting place for someone else?


- Sounds like we have a volunteer ;) - seriously, I believe it's a good
idea to make a list of which info should be accessible more easily to
users. I can't promise we can take *everything* to the website (esp.
those things that will be in the manual might not be needed there), but
we should find out what could be missing, and give it proper thought.


   (Note that when I first started working on the FAQ, I don't think
you were involved yet.  After I announced some of my work on the dev
mailing list, it was Bryce who said that if I found info in the wiki
which really should be in the documentation, to make note of it.  It's
possible that it's not appropriate for some of this to be documented,
but that was my best understanding at the time.)
   I guess the FAQ would be my best idea as the best place for the
Roadmap to be linked, if it should not be on the website.  But it would
go a long way towards preventing users from thinking it's a done deal
by putting a simple

[Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I saw a relatively new image in the gallery, which seems to be there 
for the purpose of advertising, and nothing else.  It's not an image made 
with Inkscape, or even vector-related. 
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/5691/  It seems to be only for the 
purpose of advertising tagxedo and tagxedo.com.
Should be allowed?  I realize there could be much worse abuses (and 
there have been, already), but I'm curious how the Inkscape community sees 
this.  Thanks for discussion  :-)

All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising?

[Brynn]

Hhmm, that's a good point.  Maybe there should be a way to have website 
admins of a certain level, have inkscape.org email address?  Just a thought.

Or.well I'm a little curious why you would contact them and ask them to 
remove it, vs just removing it.  As a forum admin, I don't ask spammers to 
remove their spam.  I just ban them and delete their message.  And I don't 
think that's being heavy handed, as far as spamming is concerned.  Is it 
because we don't have an easy delete button yet?

brynn


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To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] images in gallery used for advertising?

 Hi Brynn,

 thanks for noticing. I'll write to the user and ask him to remove the
 advertising.
 Keep an eye on it and remind me if it's still there in a week or so.

 (and I wish there were a way to *not* use my own mail address for this
 kind of thing - it doesn't look 'official', I don't want spam, and I
 wouldn't mind sharing this kind of mails with others in a more official
 kind of way (I'll be CC'ing Martin), without disclosing the recipient's
 mail address on a mailing list...)

 Regards,
 Maren

 Am 27.05.2015 um 16:05 schrieb Brynn:
 Hi Friends,
 I saw a relatively new image in the gallery, which seems to be 
 there
 for the purpose of advertising, and nothing else.  It's not an image made
 with Inkscape, or even vector-related.
 https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/item/5691/  It seems to be only for the
 purpose of advertising tagxedo and tagxedo.com.
 Should be allowed?  I realize there could be much worse abuses 
 (and
 there have been, already), but I'm curious how the Inkscape community 
 sees
 this.  Thanks for discussion  :-)

 All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] User Manual vs. Help

[Brynn]

Well, the current manual has both TOC and Index.  While I sometimes get 
lost/confused with its TOC, the Index is fabulous and has never failed me!

I think it would be great to have Help files that go with Inkscape 
(offline).  That would allow people to learn Inkscape on their own, in 
perhaps a more traditional way (for software).  It seems to me that might 
serve users with more technical, engineering, math or industrial type 
backgrounds (who use the more technical kind of Inkscape features).

But for the artistic side of Inkscape, for people who use Inkscape for 
art/creative projects I'm not sure if that would be helpful.  It seems to me 
this is where the step by step/tutorial/manual approach is more helpful.

And not that I see a big wide dividing line between these.  They're 2 
extremes of a continuum, with everyone falling in their own unique place 
along it.

But now thinking about that makes me curious.  Wouldn't it be interesting to 
do even just a simple study or survey, to find out how Inkscape is being 
used?!  After all, Inkscape has something for almost everyone.  And such 
information could be helpful to this project in more ways than just deciding 
which type of documentation provide.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

All best,
brynn

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I think a regular Web Help file that is searchable and has an Index and TOC 
(via a Help Authoring Tool, aka, HAT) would be more useful than the 
book-like Help available now. I don’t have a HAT available but I bet the web 
pages that make up the Inkscape Manual could be easily imported (if they are 
available legally). Tutorials would be great but short of that a searchable 
Help file would be great.

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[Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I was just browsing around the website, and happened to notice some 
wording on the Next Release page that seems odd to me, and that I don't 
understand.

It will also introduce some breaking change in how Inkscape handles the 
resolution of images (don't worry, we will also supply tools to ease the 
transition!).

I don't know what breaking change means, and I worry that it might be 
giving a negative impression of breaking as in making it non-functional. 
I guess it's supposed to mean something like unprecedented or maybe 
dramatic or extreme change.  Or maybe it has a technical meaning that I've 
just never heard of?  I tried to get some clues from both the Roadmap for 
0.92 and Release Notes for 0.92, but neither makes any mention of dpi.
Does anyone know what that means?  Should we find a better way to 
phrase it?  Should some of the things mentioned in the Roadmap or Release 
Notes be mentioned too?

Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page

[Brynn]

Thanks Martin,
Oh, so it's more of a technical term then.  I would guess that a 
lot of Inkscape users don't know what that means.  If there is any 
importance for this page to be understandable by users, then I would suggest 
either leaving out the word breaking, or maybe a slightly different 
phrase, such as introduce some breaking change to introduce a change.
However, I wonder if maybe the general impression is that this page 
is more interesting to developers, who know what that term means.  If that's 
the case, then maybe no change in wording is needed.
Just a thought  :-)

All best,
brynn

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To: Brynn br...@frii.com
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] wording on Next Release page

 Hi Bynn,

 Breaking in this case means a break in the continuity of what the
 software will do when rendering sizes. Before it would do X, now it will
 do Y.

 Sometimes these breaks are required so the software can continue to
 develop along the standard way. For example svg viebox and default dpi
 in svg2.

 There's no loss in functionality, but there may be some images that
 print bigger (or is it smaller) than they used to if they're not
 converted.

 Martin,

 On Sun, 2015-07-05 at 01:25 -0600, Brynn wrote:
 Hi Friends,
 I was just browsing around the website, and happened to notice 
 some
 wording on the Next Release page that seems odd to me, and that I don't
 understand.

 It will also introduce some breaking change in how Inkscape handles the
 resolution of images (don't worry, we will also supply tools to ease the
 transition!).

 I don't know what breaking change means, and I worry that it might be
 giving a negative impression of breaking as in making it 
 non-functional.
 I guess it's supposed to mean something like unprecedented or maybe
 dramatic or extreme change.  Or maybe it has a technical meaning that 
 I've
 just never heard of?  I tried to get some clues from both the Roadmap for
 0.92 and Release Notes for 0.92, but neither makes any mention of dpi.
 Does anyone know what that means?  Should we find a better way to
 phrase it?  Should some of the things mentioned in the Roadmap or Release
 Notes be mentioned too?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren and all,
I think it's neither a book or a manual, so I have some concern 
about it being on that page.  The new FAQ item sounds great though!
I guess you must have a reason for not having it on the Learn page? 
I understand about not being in the menu.  I don't agree, but I understand. 
But to me, Learn page seems more appropriate.
Discuss?

Thanks,
brynn


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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

 Hi everyone,

 I would link them from 'Books and Manuals' and from the FAQ ('Where can
 I find a list of keyboard commands?' or similar), I wouldn't create an
 extra menu item for this, and those are the pages where I would look for
 this kind of info.

 I have just added the proposed links to those pages:

 https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/#Where_to_find_a_list_of_all_keyboard_shortcuts
 and
 https://inkscape.org/en/learn/books/

 Any improvement suggestions before I send this out to translators (and
 translate myself)?

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

[Brynn]

 Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?...

No, that page with 1 link makes no sense.  Yes, I was thinking a direct 
link - the menu goes directly to that page.  I have not looked into whether 
that's possible (without changing the url), but it seems like it should be. 
Although, read on

 - How about the more standard 'Documentation' or 'Docs and Literature'?
 But yes, that's essentially what I'd like most. It would collect things
 that belong together on one page, and make it quite clear what that page
 is about.

Yes, I like that!  (so putting it in the Learn menu can be forgotten, for 
me)

 I'm only a little hesitant about renaming the page, because other people
 may have linked to it...  *If* we change the name, we should create a
 redirect (so old links will still lead to the page), and also be very
 certain about the new name, so we won't change it another time (and need
 another redirect).

Would we have to change the link/URL?  Isn't it possible to change the text 
of the menu, without changing the page name?  I thought I did that 
somewhere, a while ago.  Yes, in the Learn menu, I changed Videos to 
Video Tutorials.  I had approval on that in an e mail thread, although it 
was quite a while ago.  (I might not even still have that thread.)

Maybe for the long term, that's not a very good idea.  But if the next new 
website is coming up within.let's say a year, maybe it wouldn't be so 
bad?

All best,
brynn


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Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 7:40 PM
To: Brynn br...@frii.com; Inkscape-Docs 
inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Donna Benjamin do...@kattekrab.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more prominent link to the key/mouse ref?

 Hi Brynn,

 I did not want to make this an extra menu item, because that menu item
 would then lead to a page with only a single link on it.
 This would not make too much sense, in my opinion.

 I don't understand that.  Why does it matter if the Keys and Mouse
 Reference only has 1 link on it?

 - Because we would make an extra menu entry for a page like this:
 http://staging.inkscape.org/en/keyboard-and-mouse-reference
 That menu entry would make the corresponding sub-menu longer, it creates
 an extra page which needs to be edited separately, and the resulting
 page is largely empty.  I think it's not worth all this 'extra', if we
 can find a home for that link somewhere else.
 Of course if we could directly include the reference on the page, then
 it would make a lot more sense...
 Oh no! Maybe that was what you meant all the time?...


 Why I would not want to put it on the main 'Learn' page is because I
 consider that page an overview of the sub-sections, which is supposed to
 help you find the right subsection.

 The Learn page happens to be that, an overview with links leading to
 the sub-pages.  But not all of the main menu pages are strictly an
 overview. For example, the Community page has content of its own, that
 does not have any sub-pages.  And there are sub-pages or sub-menu
 items which are not previewed on the main Community page.

 - Right :)
 I do not like the duplication of links too much for maintenance reasons.

 I don't understand what you mean about duplication of links.

 - The link would be on the Manual page *and* on the Learn page. That's
 two, because I'd want to keep it next to the manual in any case ;) (just
 as the tutorials are duplicates, and they are a pain to edit, when you
 need to find out their respective links for all those languages. Because
 of the plugin links, simple copy-paste doesn't work, either...)

 I guess I would not mind it being on Books and Manuals page, if it was
 re-named Books, Manuals, Reference, or something that indicates the
 Keys reference might be there  And I see that the command line ref is
 there too. I didn't realize that was there.  It must have been added
 since the last time I looked at that page.

 So if the menu item and page name indicates that references are there,
 it gives visitors a clue.  If I were an Inkscape user who hasn't
 figured out how to use the Help menu, I probably would not guess that
 I could find the Keys ref on the Books page.

 Books, Manuals and Refs is probably too long for the menu.  How about
 just Manuals and Reference.  Because books about Inkscape really are
 manuals anyway.  Or maybe Manuals, Reference?

 - How about the more standard 'Documentation' or 'Docs and Literature'?
 But yes, that's essentially what I'd like most. It would collect things
 that belong together on one page, and make it quite clear what that page
 is about.
 I'm only a little hesitant about renaming the page, because other people
 may have linked to it...  *If* we change the name, we should create a
 redirect (so old links will still lead to the page), and also be very
 certain about the new name, so we won't change it another time (and need
 another redirect).

 Probably

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Website Down

[Brynn]

Hi Everyone,
A couple of thoughts.
I think this message did not go to the User list, because of the s in the 
address, right before the @ 
(inkscape-us...@lists.sourceforge.netinkscape-us...@lists.sourceforge.net). 
At least I didn't receive it there.

This has been plaguing me, ever since I joined the list (not getting 
messages addressed to the user list, in my user list folder).  I thought the 
problem was I just can't seem to get my mail rules set properly.  I threw my 
hands up and finally gave up a couple of months ago.  Now I just noticed the 
extra s in Martin's message, and looked up the actual address (on SF, 
since site is still down) to confirm.

It looks like the real address does not contain that s and I wonder if 
other people have the address with the extra s?  Maybe that explains 
messages addressed to inkscape-users@sf not showing in my User List folder? 
Maybe other people have done that too?  ORdoes it somehow work both ways 
(and I still don't have my rules correct)?

Shall I announce in forums about the website being down info?  Or will going 
to User list be enough?

All best,
brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo

[Brynn]

>> What would you suggest?

Well I just wasn't sure  I wanted to know what everyone else thought.

Oh, but wait!   I just noticed he added an external link.  My instinct is 
this is spam.  Although it's certainly not that bad, as far as spam goes.

But architectural drawing is fully within Inkscape's purview.  So it still 
*could* be legit.  But my spam radar is going off.  I think this is one of 
those clever human spammers, that give us fits in forums.

I guess we don't have something like a flagging, or a watch list feature?  I 
don't mind keeping a list on my own.  Although I don't think I have the 
right kind of access to check for multiple accounts from the same IP/person.

Does the link change your mind?

All best,
brynn


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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery image is photo

> On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 21:13 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> saw it, too, but didn't suggest deletion as there was no hard reason -
>> like spamming, nudity, advertisement,... It might just be someone who
>> wanted to show his more or less artful creation to someone else and used
>> our website for it...
>>
>> What would you suggest?
>
> Brynn, Maren,
>
> One of the reasons we keep the per user files limit to 10MB is to limit
> the amount of resources used for random things. Putting a file on
> inkscape.org is way more work than getting 2GB of google storage and
> using that.
>
> So I say leave it be, it's not worth antagonising a potential user over
> something not really harmful. A difference would be if the user had
> multiple accounts.
>
> Martin,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] bad link in Extension Repository

[Brynn]

Uummm   I was just checking that the links worked today.  A few needed 
the links to be fixed (3 or 4).  And a few with non-working links I left 
there, because the error was either "can't find the server" or time-outs, 
which is different from "no such URL on this server".  The former (2 or 3) 
could become resolved on their own, but the latter (1 or 2) I thought were 
probably dead.

But for the other things you asked, I'm going to need a good deal of 
explaining.  What is this about moving the unit conversion functions?  What 
are unit conversion functions?  And how will I know that's why an extension 
doesn't work?

Maybe better to explain that off the list?  br...@inkscapecommunity.com

All best,
brynn

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> Thank you, Brynn, that's a good idea :D
>
> (if you ever encounter one that does no longer work with 0.91 - most
> probably because of moving the unit conversion functions - could you add
> that info there and notify either the author, or us? That specific error
> is very easy to fix, so we could make the extension accessible again -
> if the license allows it ;) )
>
> Maren
>
> Am 08.11.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi Maren,
>> Sure, I'll go and delete it now.
>> I don't think there probably are very many others like that.  I 
>> use
>> that page a lot, and this is the first one I've seen.  However, I don't 
>> mind
>> looking at each one, just to make sure.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
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>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] bad link in Extension Repository
>>
>>> Hi Brynn,
>>>
>>> I think it's safe to remove it. It won't be of help to anyone like this.
>>> Would you like to do that?
>>>
>>> (the page has not seen any larger overhaul since 2012, so I guess there
>>> will probably be many extensions on it that won't work anymore, or have
>>> dead links...)
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
>>> Am 07.11.2015 um 05:02 schrieb Brynn:
>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>> I've found an extension in the Repository with a not found url.
>>>> I'm
>>>> not sure who looks after this page, if anyone does.  Should it just be
>>>> left
>>>> alone until the extension author comes to fix it?  Or should it be
>>>> deleted?
>>>> Anyway, it's 1.39 Badge Renderer.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> brynn
>>>>
>>>>
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[Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions

[Brynn]

Hi Friends (Maren, Martin),
I've been wondering whether it might be a good idea to have a link 
to the guide to writing extensions, which recently was mentioned in a 
message on the dev list 
(https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe)
 
somewhere on the website.  Maybe either on the Develop page, or on the new 
Extensions page?
And since I just came across another less technical kind of guide: 
http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/,
 
I'm motivated to bring up the issue here.
Should they be listed/linked?  I think they both serve as simple 
examples, which potentially could help new extension-writers.  Or would they 
just be in that category of more links that are prone to bitrot?
Just a thought.  I'll be glad to make the edits, if everyone else 
agrees.

All best,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions

[Brynn]

Another: 
http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/parsing-and-setting-colors-inkscape-extensions/

>From here, I'll keep the list to myself, and share when I finish searching 
;-)

brynn

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> That sounds reasonable to me.  From what I recall of his message on the 
> list, it seems like he might be interested.
>
> However, I've just rediscovered another guide that I knew about a long 
> time ago, but had forgotten about.  http://sugarpillstudios.com/wp/?p=142
>
> So now with 3 potentially helpful, but "unofficial" guides, will it be 
> reasonable to ask all 3 authors to contribute to the website?  Or maybe I 
> will discover more?
>
> I certainly don't mind contacting them and asking...or inviting them to 
> help with the official guide (especially since I've been "pushing" to get 
> a guide written).  But I'm not sure if it would be appropriate.  Kind of 
> like making "cold calls" an old telemarketing term, meaning to sell 
> something to strangers who have no previous interest in the product.
>
> I'm guessing they might offer to let us quote from their guides, rather 
> than find the time to do it themselves.  I mean, I don't mind trying to 
> contact them, if that's what we decide to do.  Who knows?  Maybe they 
> would want to work together on it?
>
> Or maybe someone who is more familiar with writing extensions could use 
> the info from these 3 guides, to add to the official one?  It's all just a 
> little beyond my reach, to be able to do that myself.  When I read these 
> guides, I get through the first 3 or 4 paragraphs, and then I'm completely 
> lost.
>
> Anyone else with ideas?  (or offers :-))
>
> brynn
>
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> From: "Martin Owens" <docto...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 4:04 PM
> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>
> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> What would be a really good outreach is if you contact the author of the
>> medium.com article and ask him if he'd like to improve the inkscape.org
>> extension guide with the information he's written on his blog.
>>
>> that way we don't have to link to something that might disapear for
>> information we should certainly have the best of on our website and we
>> potentially invite a new contributor to help out on the official pages.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>> On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 15:22 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>>> Hi Friends (Maren, Martin),
>>> I've been wondering whether it might be a good idea to have a 
>>> link
>>> to the guide to writing extensions, which recently was mentioned in a
>>> message on the dev list
>>> (https://medium.com/@xaviju/inkscape-extensions-by-non-developers-for-non-developers-a-primer-b272dda360fe)
>>> somewhere on the website.  Maybe either on the Develop page, or on the 
>>> new
>>> Extensions page?
>>> And since I just came across another less technical kind of 
>>> guide:
>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/,
>>> I'm motivated to bring up the issue here.
>>> Should they be listed/linked?  I think they both serve as simple
>>> examples, which potentially could help new extension-writers.  Or would 
>>> they
>>> just be in that category of more links that are prone to bitrot?
>>> Just a thought.  I'll be glad to make the edits, if everyone 
>>> else
>>> agrees.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> brynn
>>>
>>>
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[Inkscape-docs] bad link in Extension Repository

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I've found an extension in the Repository with a not found url.  I'm 
not sure who looks after this page, if anyone does.  Should it just be left 
alone until the extension author comes to fix it?  Or should it be deleted?
Anyway, it's 1.39 Badge Renderer.

Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] bad link in Extension Repository

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
Sure, I'll go and delete it now.
I don't think there probably are very many others like that.  I use 
that page a lot, and this is the first one I've seen.  However, I don't mind 
looking at each one, just to make sure.

All best,
brynn

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> Hi Brynn,
>
> I think it's safe to remove it. It won't be of help to anyone like this.
> Would you like to do that?
>
> (the page has not seen any larger overhaul since 2012, so I guess there
> will probably be many extensions on it that won't work anymore, or have
> dead links...)
>
> Kind regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 07.11.2015 um 05:02 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi Friends,
>> I've found an extension in the Repository with a not found url. 
>> I'm
>> not sure who looks after this page, if anyone does.  Should it just be 
>> left
>> alone until the extension author comes to fix it?  Or should it be 
>> deleted?
>> Anyway, it's 1.39 Badge Renderer.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>>
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[Inkscape-docs] publish Community To-Do List page

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I was waiting to publish the new To-Do List page, because it sounded 
like Maren and I were going to add more items to it, related to removing 
user-facing pages from the wiki.  But that seems to be on hold, for some 
reason.
So I wonder if it should be published, so that other people can 
already start using it, to get their own projects listed?

Thanks,
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] key/mouse ref comment/question

[Brynn]

Thanks.  I made report: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-docs/+bug/1492650

All best,
brynn

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> Hi Brynn and Maren,
>
> Brynn <br...@frii.com> a écrit :
>> Well, like me, many less-tech-savvy Inkscape users don't know those
>> tricks.  Too bad it can't be edited like other pages.
>
> Changing how the links show should not be too difficult. Just a couple of 
> HTML and CSS changes.
> Don't hesitate to fill in a report, and I'll try to take a closer look.
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
Sounds like no problem for dual license:

"Hey, Brynn. Absolutely, those are fine. GPL 3+ and CC-BY-SA 3.0+

Jerry"

All best,
brynn

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>> Hi Maren,
>> Sure, I'll ask.  Just want to be clear what I'm asking.  Am I
>> asking
>> if we can give the text the 2nd license?  Or if he can give it that
>> license
>> for us?  Or if there's a better way to say it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>
> Hi Brynn,
>
> sorry - yes, please ask for a dual-licencing of his text, so anything we
> take from it will be compatible with the website's licencing (CC-By-SA +
> GPLv3+).
>
> Thanks again,
> Maren
>
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>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 5:12 AM
>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
>>
>>> Hi Brynn,
>>>
>>>
>>> good work :)
>>> Just a quick request: Could you ask Jerry for dual-licencing (GPLv3+ and
>>> CC-By-SA), please?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
>>> Am 12.11.2015 um 02:58 schrieb Brynn:
>>>> Hi again Everyone,
>>>> I've received a positive reply from the 1 article author (Jerry
>>>> Stratton) I was able to contact.  He says he doesn't feel qualified to
>>>> do
>>>> any of the writing himself, but says we can quote his articles.  Below
>>>> I've
>>>> quoted from his reply, so I don't get any details wrong about the
>>>> licensing,
>>>> etc.
>>>> So if Xavi, or whoever ends up working on it, maybe some of
>>>> Jerry's
>>>> articles will be helpful  :-)
>>>>
>>>> All best,
>>>> brynn
>>>>
>>>> "All of my Mimsy/hacks code is under the GPL v3, and you are hereby
>>>> officially allowed to use the text from the above-mentioned pages under
>>>> the
>>>> GPL v3 as well. If you need another license, let me know what you need,
>>>> and
>>>> Iâ?Tll take a look at it. As long as thereâ?Ts a link back, I expect it
>>>> will
>>>> be
>>>> fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/parsing-and-setting-colors-inkscape-extensions/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/
>>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/write-inkscape-extension-create-multiple-duplicates/updated-inkscape-extension/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/hacks/get-element-id-inkscape/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/
>>>> "After midnight, all things are possible.""
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 8:07 PM
>>>> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>
>>>> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] more on writing extensions
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2015-11-06 at 16:53 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>>>>>> who have no previous interest in the product.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think someone who writes a guide has probably used the 'product' ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing they might offer to let us quote from their guides,
>>>>>> rather than
>>>>>> find the time to do it themselves.  I mean, I don't mind trying to
>>>>>> contact
>>>>>> them, if that's what we decide to do.  Who knows?  Maybe they would
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> work together on it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please do. This kind of outreach is really important at bringing
>>>>> people
>>>>> together and your helpful interest in the page is a great reason to
>>>>> reach out.
&

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

[Brynn]

> About that TOC plugin, it seems you really didn't get it… even if we
> tried to explain.

Yes, I understand it now.  Apparently you and Maren and Martin can add new 
questions, as well as answers.  But I can't add new questions - only 
answers, because I can't edit the code.

The TOC is frustrating for me, because I originally typed/edited everything 
on the page (by writing the html directly, which I find enjoyable).  But 
like so many other parts of the website cms/django, it very much limits what 
I am able to do.  Now, except for minor edits, here and there, all I can 
contribute is comments about the website content.  By now, most of the 
website is controlled from a level that I don't have access to, and couldn't 
use it, even if I did.

> Okay, but then, how can you edit the plugins? This is the main problem.

When I first created that page, the only plugin available (to me) was Links. 
At first, I didn't use it at all, because it didn't work.  But later, we 
found the problem was one of my Firefox plugins that blocks the referrer 
header.  So then, I was able to fix all the links.

All best,
brynn


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> Le 03/06/2016 à 05:45, Brynn a écrit :
>>For #1, I brought this up a long time ago.  Well, something very
>> similar (I think it was the h3 style I wanted to tweak, or maybe
>> h4.). I think the text styling needs an overhaulor at least a
>> tweak.  Styles, and maybe even some classes or IDs, etc. too.  The reply
>> at that time was that we were considering a new website design in the
>> foreseeable future. Although it seems like it stays in the distant
>> future, and doesn't get closer.  But the response was let's talk about
>> it when we are getting a new design.
>
> Sure, we could have a better design… Currently pages' content is a bit
> blunt. I don't think it's the right moment as the focus is on the 0.92
> release. We could work on it in a few months if you want.
> I also have other work, such as translating that FLOSS manual…
>
>>There's a good chance that I put most of those empty paragraphs
>> in there.  The pages, and especially the pages with a lot of text, come
>> across as imposing -- the wall of text, as they say.  So I think they
>> are the best we can do currently.  I would not want to remove them until
>> we have a good replacement.  Do you think visitors to the site recognize
>> that it's an empty paragraph?  I don't see how they could know the
>> difference, unless maybe if they are website designers
>
> If they are a bit interested in style, typography or semantics like I
> am, they will notice that some headings have more space above them than
> others, and they will now that use of an empty paragraph to add more
> space in computer writing (most probably think it's a good use).
> They can also inspect the DOM (the document tree), of course.
>
>>Are the changes you suggest something that could be made easily?
>> I'll have to refresh my html, and dig in a little bit, to understand
>> specifically what you mention.  In general, I understand what you're
>> saying. But as far as the code itself, that's not in the front of my
>> memory.
>
> Yes, this is a very simple change, I can commit it within one minute.
> To understand what I meant, just right-click on a heading, and click the
> last menu item ‘Inspect element’. The inspector should appear, showing
> the document tree, and the tag/node for the heading you right-clicked
> will be selected. The styles that apply to the selected node are shown
> on the right.
> The style property I refer to is ‘margin’.
> In Firefox at least, you should see ‘main.css:line number’, indicating
> the place where the rule is defined. If you click on it, you'll go to
> the file.
>
>>If the changes can be easily inserted into the css, I'd say let's
>> do it.  But in this case, one change may lead to another and another.
>> So maybe better to wait until everyone is focused on the new design?  At
>> least that's what I like to call "my simple-minded thoughts".
>
> I think we can just do it because I'm very focused on the
> typography/semantics of the website and this is quite annoying…
>
>>((We (Sylvain and I) might not have had a formal introduction.
>> So just for general info  I do not have a local installation of

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

[Brynn]

Wow, can't you disable that in your browser.  I would tolerate that for 
about a half-second!  Is Chromium the same thing as Chrome?  It must be 
different.  But are they related?

Oh!  Doesn't django much have a find/replace?  I don't see it.  But if there 
is, you could search for , and search again for space , and 
 space, and replace with the correct thing.

Oh!!  You could take the html (souce) out to a text editor, and do it there. 
Then paste back in.  When I first started working with django, that was my 
workflow.  Because in the Very beginning, the source wasn't even formatted. 
The html just wrapped and wrapped.  So I pasted into a text editor to get 
some minimum formatting.

I still don't think it formats.  But at least it doesn't wrap anymore.  But 
if you do that, be sure to back up the page first.  Just in case :-) 
They're all outdated now, but for a while, I had 8 or 10 pages backed up 
locally.  I don't have the whole website, like Maren does (because I don't 
have any need or skills for it).  But I had a bunch of pages.

Why does the dashes bother you?  Because people use them too much?  In 
personal writing, I use them a lot.  But since it's not official, I guess it 
doesn't matter.  I think it's ok to use once in a while on the website.  I 
wouldn't use more than twice on the same page.  But only if I couldn't think 
of any other way.  Mostly I would only use once or not at all.

Yeah, in forums, people almost always call me "man" or refer to with "he". 
Even on the mailing list once or twice. I used to have a Celtic knot or 
endless knot for my forum avatar.  But I changed it to a flower, to try and 
appear more feminine.  It didn't help at all!  Maybe a sunflower is too 
masculine?  Maybe I need a more delicate flower?  What's a delicate flower? 
Rose?  Poppies are pretty delicatemaybe dahlia?  Dahlia would be a good 
username!  But I'm rambling

I'm not sure if that asterisk in front of her name means leader, or if it's 
just different username or account.  Maybe it is.  All the other teams 
either have only 1 person with asterisk, or none.  I'd say that's a good 
guess :-)

All best,
brynn


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> Le 02/06/2016 à 18:50, Brynn a écrit :
>> Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this 
>> way"
>> Maybe she gave up on it?  You know, I might not be the only one who has 
>> this
>> habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it.
>
> Indeed I thought you couldn't be the only one.
>
>> I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome.
>> Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age,
>> changing how I type isn't likely to happen.
>
> I would consider it as a bug.
> Then, if it can help other readers to skip this wondering, I'll correct
> that, even if I must use Chromium for it. That's true it is more
> difficult to distinguish sentences when ? and ! are followed by a single
> space… But I rarely seen the double-space rule elsewhere.
> Chromium has a recent strange graphic fact: hovering its buttons (in the
> toolbars or the ‘find’ interface) draws a square box, then activating it
> (clicking) morphes the square into a disc (which looks bigger, being
> circumscribed to the previous square). That's a bit disturbing.
> A problem is: when I erase one of this spaces, the remaining one is
> often a no-break space…
> Another typographic habit that bothers me is the use of narrow dashes
> ‘-’ or double-narrow dashes ‘-’. We're in the epoch of Unicode, we can
> put em dashes ‘—’ (or en dashes ‘–’ e.g. for intervals).
>
>> I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar 
>> with
>> German, or even European culture.  But the person behind the name is a
>> woman.  And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can 
>> be
>> male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.).
>
> To me, ‘Brynn’ looked like ‘Bryce’; but I noticed you were referred to
> as a woman. I was used to fully masculine teams in computer projects so
> having a woman as a team leader is a nice thing.
> I think the star on this page means ‘leader’:
> https://inkscape.org/en/*translator
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

[Brynn]

Hi Sylvain,
For #1, I brought this up a long time ago.  Well, something very 
similar (I think it was the h3 style I wanted to tweak, or maybe h4.). 
I think the text styling needs an overhaulor at least a tweak.  Styles, 
and maybe even some classes or IDs, etc. too.  The reply at that time was 
that we were considering a new website design in the foreseeable future. 
Although it seems like it stays in the distant future, and doesn't get 
closer.  But the response was let's talk about it when we are getting a new 
design.
There's a good chance that I put most of those empty paragraphs in 
there.  The pages, and especially the pages with a lot of text, come across 
as imposing -- the wall of text, as they say.  So I think they are the best 
we can do currently.  I would not want to remove them until we have a good 
replacement.  Do you think visitors to the site recognize that it's an empty 
paragraph?  I don't see how they could know the difference, unless maybe if 
they are website designers
Are the changes you suggest something that could be made easily? 
I'll have to refresh my html, and dig in a little bit, to understand 
specifically what you mention.  In general, I understand what you're saying. 
But as far as the code itself, that's not in the front of my memory.
If the changes can be easily inserted into the css, I'd say let's do 
it.  But in this case, one change may lead to another and another.  So maybe 
better to wait until everyone is focused on the new design?  At least that's 
what I like to call "my simple-minded thoughts".
((We (Sylvain and I) might not have had a formal introduction.  So 
just for general info  I do not have a local installation of the 
website.  The only code I know is simple html, and my understanding of how 
websites work is fairly general and non-technical.  (For example, this 
caching that's been mentioned so much lately -- I only understand the 
definition of "caching" and not what happens technically with the server.) 
I can add and edit the site content, using the django wysiwyg and/or the 
source/html.  And I can join discussions about the content.  But I hardly 
have any understanding of the programming side, with the trunks and commits 
and all.))
Maybe Martin and/or Maren can give updated and/or more technical 
answer for that?

For #2, I created the vast majority of what we have on the FAQ page 
today.  (Well, the text anyway.  It used to be straight html with anchors, 
but Martin installed a TOC plugin a few months ago.  Now we can only edit 
the answers.  If we need to add a new question, we have to ask Martin to do 
it.)  I updated it from the old version, which I think is still existing in 
the wiki.  (I made an updated version for the developers on the wiki too, 
but they apparently weren't interested in updating it.  So it stays out of 
date.)  Anyway, at that time, I had the option to have it all on one text 
block, or divided over 2 or more.
For myself, it was better to have it all in one block.  Most of the 
time, I worked on it locally in a text editor, and then pasted back in to 
save/publish.  The text editor makes it so much easier, because it has the 
formatting, numbered lines, find/replace, etc.  Ssooo much easier!!
And so for myself, it's still better to have it in one block.  And I 
would be happy to take on the responsibility to edit that page, if folks 
send me the info.  However, on the other hand, I do understand that might 
not be the best scenario, logistically, for the project as a whole.  So if 
everyone wants to break it up, I certainly would not object.  I wonder if 
that can be done in a seamless way?  Wouldn't there be a gap between blocks?

I can't answer #3.

All best,
brynn

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Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

> Hi all,
>
> I have three questions concerning the website's content.
>
> 1. For more space and better reading, headings (h2) are often preceded
> by an empty paragraph, e.g. in:
> * https://inkscape.org/en/learn/animation/
> * https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/
> This is true that pages are harder to read without that space; see:
> * https://inkscape.org/en/develop/getting-started/
> * https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/
> However I have something against that practice of the empty paragraph; I
> feel it as wrong semantic. Couldn't we simply add more margin at the top
> of these headings? I suggest 4ex (it's currently 1.5ex).
> We could also increase the margin-top of 3rd-level headings (from 1.5ex
> to 2.5ex).

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

[Brynn]

Ok, thanks Maren.

> But first we'd have to make sure those styles will only be used for CMS
> pages.

I don't quite understand that part.  But I trust that you and Sylvain and 
Martin will do whatever is best  :-)

Thanks,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Questions concerning the website's content

> Hi Brynn,
>
> Am 05.06.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Well if we can make small changes, could we possibly make the h3
>> style to look like it's bigger than h4?  Just making it bold would be 
>> fine
>> with me.  Or make h4 not bold would work as well.
>> The reason for this is that I think h4 overtakes  h3  on a page, 
>> and
>> makes it hard to understand the intended organization of the page where 
>> it's
>> used.
>
> - Just turned this into a bug report:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1589280
>
>> Also, and I know this idea probably goes against current website
>> design styles (in general).  But would it be possible to have h4, h5 and 
>> h6
>> indented?  It's just the current left justification of Everything on a 
>> page
>> makes it hard to read - very imposing.
>
> - We could review the style of those while we take a look at the other
> headings. Added that to the report.
>
> But first we'd have to make sure those styles will only be used for CMS
> pages.
>
> Regards,
> Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

[Brynn]

I tried to look at the page, but I only get Page Not Found.  Yes, I'm logged 
in.

Those from my generation see a double-space after a period to be correct 
punctuation.  However, those who invented computers thought they could get 
by without it.  And so that very simple step, which makes reading large 
chunks of text much, much easier, is lost from the world.

I think it's actually considered to be a bug in django that the 2nd space is 
created.  Most of the rest of the internet ignores it.

I actually type the double-space automatically (old dogs and new tricks, you 
know).  But I'm pretty sure Maren has scoured the entire website, an 
eliminated any double-spaces.  Where do you see them?

All best,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

> Le 31/05/2016 à 19:14, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>> Am 31.05.2016 um 03:49 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
>>> Note that on this page (we should remember to edit it too):
>>> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/
>>> the hackfest is introduced as an annual event.
>>
>> - Yes, we'll also need to update the link on that page.
>
> I suggest a new text about the hackfests on this page:
> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/?edit
>
> I have this existential question which pollutes my mind since I started
> translation in the Inkscape project: is it so common to write two spaces
> between a full stop/period and the sentence that follows in English
> prose? Or is it the fault of shaking fingers with the use of the
> ‘double-space becomes period then space’ feature with a mobile touch
> keyboard? I often saw those two spaces on the Inkscape website, enough
> to be able to think it can be a wished rule. What is the reason?
>
>> @Brynn: would you have a look when you can and tell us if you would like
>> to see any changes to that page?
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

[Brynn]

I have it now.  The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter.  But I 
have it now.

One thing I don't get.  I thought the reason for this page was to explain 
about Hackfest, separate from asking for donations.  But it still is asking 
for donations.

What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest?  Will this page go back 
into the menu?  I'm confused.

In any case, I don't see any problems on that page.  Everything looks good.

All best,
brynn

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From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:59 PM
To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

> OK, here is a draft for the general page about the Hackfest:
> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/hackfest/?edit
> (Note that you must be connected to see it.)
>
> I barely wrote anything actually; mostly removed what was specific to
> this year and moved the sentences for something more generic. I only
> added two sentences with a list in the middle.
>
> Is it enough? I edited the French page symmetrically.
>
> Sylvain
>
> Le 30/05/2016 à 04:48, Brynn a écrit :
>> Oh ok.  Yeah, that seems like a good idea.  Where would this new page 
>> live?
>>
>> Yes, I can help with proofing.
>>
>> Idea (fwiw)
>> What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page?  Nothing 
>> fancy.
>> Just say when and where, how many hackers.  I like the idea of telling 
>> users
>> which issues were worked on.  Although in a different message thread, 
>> Martin
>> didn't think it was necessary.  For me, I think it could help drive
>> donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done.  It could 
>> be
>> very simplistic description.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>> --
>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>;
>> "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>
>>> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly 
>>>> what
>>>> it's about.  What problem is trying to be solved?  Or new feature
>>>> created?
>>>
>>> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
>>> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're
>>> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in
>>> general.
>>>
>>> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with
>>> proofreading?
>>>
>>> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is
>>> ready.
>>>
>>> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions
>>> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version
>>> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like
>>> these out...).
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> brynn
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM
>>>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>>>
>>>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>>>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
>>>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing.
>>>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we
>>>>>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be
>>>>>> inaccessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so sorry…
>>>>> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for
>>>>> the Hackfest page in English.
>>>>> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear
>>>>> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected
>

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

[Brynn]

Well yeah, there might be an extra space at "project. In this way" 
Maybe she gave up on it?  You know, I might not be the only one who has this 
habit, because a lot of that text with double-spaces, I didn't write it.

I guess you can just fix them when you find them, if they're bothersome. 
Better would be if Django just didn't put them in, because at my age, 
changing how I type isn't likely to happen.

I don't know if "Maren" is boy's or girl's name, since I'm not familiar with 
German, or even European culture.  But the person behind the name is a 
woman.  And me too (although I've been told that in Europe, "brynn" can be 
male or female name - like Chris, Tracy, Jessie, etc.).

All best,
brynn

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To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

> Le 01/06/2016 à 19:47, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>> Am 01.06.2016 um 07:16 schrieb Brynn:
>>> I have it now.  The original link Sylvain gave was missing 1 letter. 
>>> But I
>>> have it now.
>
> Sorry… That means I sent the link and pluralized the name of the page
> just after. Not really clever…
>
>>> What happens when it's time for the next Hackfest?  Will this page go 
>>> back
>>> into the menu?  I'm confused.
>>
>> - The page can be unpublished or moved, and we can make one for the
>> currently active Hackfest. And after that's over, we can dig the general
>> page out again and have it generate some donations (hopefully).
>> Or if the board decides it's not needed, we'll just take it out 
>> completely.
>
> I wasn't seeing it like that… My idea, when the next hackfest is coming,
> was simply to keep the general page, and to add an updated sentence
> telling ‘Next hackfest will be ………’, with a link to a news article
> giving more details, and possibly a link to the wiki if the news article
> does not itself contain such a link.
>
> Talking about the wiki, I wanted to link to it when writing the page
> about the hackfests, but all pages concerning them were linked to a
> specific year; there was no general one. Not even a Category:Hackfests
> (which I can't create myself since I haven't got an account on the wiki
> yet). It would be useful at least for the part ’You may consider
> attending yourself?’
>
>>> In any case, I don't see any problems on that page.  Everything looks 
>>> good.
>>
>> @Sylvain: Thanks for helping with the website updates!
>
> That means I can write English after all. Good.
>
>> I don't find any double-spaces on Funded Development page, or Hackfest
>> page either.  Not even using Find.  I could show screenshots.
>
> I was not talking about those pages themselves, but the small sections
> in the Support Us page:
> https://inkscape.org/en/support-us/
>
> I wrote a new version for the Hackfests sections so the double-spaces
> are gone, but look carefully between the two sentences in the Funded
> Development section.
>
> In the FAQ, there are many double-spaces (but not everywhere):
> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/faq/
> You should find them easily using your browser's text search feature;
> although there are some bugs in Firefox with it (the highlighted text is
> not always directly visible). In Chromium, it works better.
>
> Better examples:
> * https://inkscape.org/en/community/
> * https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/report-bugs/ (also many
> double-spaces around the links)
>
> Is it enough?
>
>> I wonder if there's some way that your browser is causing this?  Or
>> otherwise something on your end is causing the problem?  I don't see a
>> any double-spaces anywhere on the site.
>
> Really strange…
>
>> (This part is a little funny.  When I first found out about this, I
>> was purposely inserting a double-space after a period (and after a
>> colon too). From my point of view, it's proper punctuation.  At that
>> time, I was working on several different pages for the website.  I
>> would edit one day, and the next day, all my double-spaces were
>> gone.  It turns out Maren was going through right behind me, and
>> removing them.  Later, I tried to sneak one in, just to find out how
>> long it would take her to find it.  And the answer - just a few
>> hours!)
>
> Ow… But I still see some.
> ‘Maren’ is a girl's name? Those foreign names are really unclear. Just
> like the profile pictures.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest page

[Brynn]

"On Tue, 2016-05-31 at 23:41 -0600, Brynn wrote:
> To be  honest, I see it as sad (not to mention, a little bit
> illiterate).

I think there's more acceptance that English is a language of consensus
.
(the docs team might have different rules, but while I'm currently
acting web master, these are my thoughts on website content)"

Oh, well I'm not arguing that things should be different for the Inkscape 
project or website than they are for the rest of the internet.  My strength 
and energy for going against the flow is long past.

When I said "I see it as" I meant that's my opinion, and not that I think 
there should be any change.  Maybe I should have been more clear about that. 
I didn't mean to offend anyone.

All best,
brynn


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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page

[Brynn]

Oh ok.  Yeah, that seems like a good idea.  Where would this new page live?

Yes, I can help with proofing.

Idea (fwiw)
What about keeping kind of a Hackfest History on this page?  Nothing fancy. 
Just say when and where, how many hackers.  I like the idea of telling users 
which issues were worked on.  Although in a different message thread, Martin 
didn't think it was necessary.  For me, I think it could help drive 
donations, if users can see what kind of work was being done.  It could be 
very simplistic description.

All best,
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To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; 
"Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page

> Am 28.05.2016 um 10:17 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>I'm coming late to this discussion, and I'm not sure exactly what
>> it's about.  What problem is trying to be solved?  Or new feature 
>> created?
>
> - No new feature, just talking about creating an all-year-round
> replacement of the Hackfest donation page, which can be shown when we're
> not collecting money for a specific hackfest, only for hackfests in
> general.
>
> If Sylvain writes the text, would you as a native speaker help him with
> proofreading?
>
> I'll take care of the menu and page moving when the replacement page is
> ready.
>
> There seems to be some caching involved, and maybe some permissions
> stuff. I can't test for the permissions on my local development version
> (and there's no staging area anymore, where we could try things like
> these out...).
>
> Does anyone have any objections against this proposed page?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Maren
>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>> --
>> From: "Sylvain Chiron" <chironsylv...@orange.fr>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 8:43 PM
>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Hackfest 2016 page
>>
>>> Le 27/05/2016 à 04:08, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>>>> - That's weird, my update scanner never had a problem accessing the
>>>> page, and the page's history doesn't say anything about unpublishing.
>>>> I hope you didn't find yet another bug... :/
>>>>
>>>> If something like that happens again, please notify the admins, so we
>>>> can try to find out what's going on. The page wasn't supposed to be
>>>> inaccessible.
>>>
>>> I'm so sorry…
>>> I looked at the pages on the admin interface, and saw a gray disc for
>>> the Hackfest page in English.
>>> I launched another browser for fresh user data (I always clear
>>> everything at closing, I'm crazy), and went on inkscape.org, selected
>>> English, then the Hackfest menu item. I got the 404 page.
>>>
>>>> - Thanks!!!
>>>
>>> No more 404.
>>>
>>>> - I think you should have the permissions (if it doesn't work, just 
>>>> ping
>>>> Martin or me to get them).
>>>>
>>>> Go to the 'pages' page in the admin interface, and make sure the page 
>>>> is
>>>> as wide as possible (hope you're using a 16:9 screen, on mine it's
>>>> really difficult. It doesn't seem to work correctly if I just zoom 
>>>> out -
>>>> the request for a scrollbar is already reported...). Then click on the
>>>> check icon in the 'Menu' column near the end to turn it into a 'no
>>>> entry' sign.
>>>
>>> I have two screens, 16:9 and 16:10. 3600 pixels from the left to the
>>> right of my computer desktop.
>>> I clicked and got the ‘no entry’ sign (a minus sign). But then, nothing…
>>> the menu entry is still there.
>>>
>>>> and we may publish a general page about the
>>>>> hackfest instead which would remain permanently accessible.
>>>>> So first, someone should do the move.
>>>>
>>>> - I think it's better to have the replacement ready first. It doesn't
>>>> need to be on the menu while it's being created, or even be published.
>>>
>>> The move I referred to is to put the Hackfest 2016 page out of the menu,
>>> then out of the ‘Home’ page node, as the Hackfest 2016 page is.
>>> Actually… I can do that move, that's just a drag'n'drop. But the menu
>>> entry is still here (and it appears next to ‘Support us’ after the move,
>>&g

Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Hackfest: Who will attend?

[Brynn]

Ok  :-)

Started writing forum posts, but realize there's nothing to link to on the 
website.  So this reply is also addressed to the Docs list.

Should there be a brief news item on the website?  Or like last 
yeariirc, there was a page under Support menu.

My preference would be for both a brief news item, and updated page under 
Support menu.  What do you all think?

Hhmmtrying for convenience, I might have just caused a problem.  I tried 
to reset my pw on the website, but I'm not receiving the new email, which I 
seem to recall, there might be a problem with.

Can someone please send me a new pw?

Then maybe I can update the old HF page and/or write a very short news 
item -- assuming everyone else agrees with those?

Thanks,
brynn

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> On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 14:46 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> Ok if I announce in forums?  Also maybe a note on the website?
>
> I think that would be OK... but please indicate that the date and place
> are tentative.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tav
>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 5:58 AM
>> To: "Inkscape-devel" <inkscape-de...@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Hackfest: Who will attend?
>>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > We are planning an Inkscape hackfest[1] in Leeds just before the
>> > Libre
>> > Graphics Meeting[2] in London. To help plan this event we need to
>> > have
>> > an idea of how many people would attend. Please reply here or send
>> > a
>> > private email to me if you are interested. As with last years
>> > hackfest[3], travel support will be offered to developers and
>> > others
>> > active in the Inkscape project ($500-$2000).
>> >
>> > Dates:
>> >   Hackfest: 11-13 April 2016 (tentative)
>> >   LGM: 15-18 April 2016
>> >
>> > Tav
>> >
>> > [1] http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2016
>> > [2] http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2016/
>> > [3] http://wiki.inkscape.org/wiki/index.php/Hackfest2015
>> >
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Hackfest: Who will attend?

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
Thanks for the info.

Oh, I didn't know about the change in plans for HF (since I'm not subbed to 
the Board list, of course).  I'll hold off on making new posts, until there 
is some new/confirmed info.  And may as well wait on new news item too.

If there now may be a charge for a new venue, maybe donation button would be 
more needed?  Or maybe that will not be very significant?  I'm just not very 
knowledgeable about that kind of things.

Even though donations may not be "needed" at the moment, HF still might 
represent a good opportunity to pick up donations for a time in the future 
when donations are more scarce.  Or maybe more donations would simply allow 
more people to attend?

If I recall the old donation page, money went into the Fund, so maybe could 
be used for other things, as well.

Bryce and/or others - What do you think about a Donations page for Hackfest, 
this year?

> The old hackfest page has been unpublished, and kept for this kind of
> purpose. But maybe you could just make a copy instead of updating it, so
> we still have the old one as a kind of archived version?

Ok yes, I'll do that.  But again, may as well wait for some confirmed info.

Thanks again  :-)

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Inkscape Hackfest: Who will 
attend?

> Hi Brynn,
>
> Am 28.01.2016 um 02:02 schrieb Brynn:
>> My preference would be for both a brief news item, and updated page under
>> Support menu.  What do you all think?
>
> - For the donation page we'd need a new button for paypal, I believe.
>
> You'd have to ask Bryce
> - if a new donation page is required/desired for this year's hackfest
> (there seems to be no pressure for more funding currently :D)
> - and if so, if we need a new donation button
> - and if so, if he'd ask Software Freedom Conservancy to procure one for
> that and pass it on to you to exchange it on the page.
>
> The old hackfest page has been unpublished, and kept for this kind of
> purpose. But maybe you could just make a copy instead of updating it, so
> we still have the old one as a kind of archived version?
>
> - For the news item:
> Is there already enough info we can give? We don't have a place
> (anymore), we don't have a date (anymore), no agenda nailed down yet...
> :/ See board mailing list for more details.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/inkscape-board/
>
> Maybe just writing that there are ongoing plans, and that we still need
> a venue...? If we ask for donations, that could be linked into the 
> article.
>
>> Hhmmtrying for convenience, I might have just caused a problem.  I 
>> tried
>> to reset my pw on the website, but I'm not receiving the new email, which 
>> I
>> seem to recall, there might be a problem with.
>
> - If you reset it via your user profile, then you are not going to get a
> confirmation email. You just enter the new password next time you log in
> instead of the old one.
> Or does the new password not work? Then I'll gladly set a new one for you.
>
> Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] staging site issues

[Brynn]

Hi Martin,
Ok, it seems to be working now.  Wow, look at all the new stuff!! 
Will take a while to explore  :-)
Thanks for everyone's great work on this!

All best,
brynn


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To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>
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> Hi Brynn,
>
> You hit an unintended bug which I fixed almost right away but staging
> didn't get updated.
>
> Please try again.
>
> Martin,
>
> On Sat, 2016-01-30 at 00:56 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> Hi Friends,
>> Trying to do the test in the last comment for this bug
>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1432911, but I'm having some issues with
>> staging site.
>>
>> First, 502 Bad Gateway shows after I log in.  After I refresh the page, I
>> see that I am logged in.  Not sure if it will persist yet, but I'll let 
>> you
>> know.
>>
>> 2nd, when I went to my profile page, I get a huge page full of errors and
>> codes.  The first 2 lines at the top are:
>>
>> "TypeError at /en/~brynn
>> coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, instancemethod found"
>>
>> And at the very bottom, it says
>>
>> "You're seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django
>> settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard 
>> 500
>> page"
>>
>> The problem is that I don't know where my Django settings file is.  Is it 
>> in
>> a preference file for staging site?  Or something on my local system? 
>> Maybe
>> Firefox?  A lot of Ff prefs are set like that -- true or false.
>>
>> Also, I'm not sure if I really want a "standard 500 page" unless that 
>> just
>> means to show the expected page.
>>
>> I could provide the page full of info, if you need it.  Or there's a 
>> smaller
>> section on a yellow background, at the top.
>>
>> Based on what little I can  understand, I don't think I have the right 
>> kind
>> of access to fix this.  But if I can, just tell me how  :-)
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>> brynn
>>
>> PS - I won't try to change my pw until this either is fixed, or you tell 
>> me
>> it's ok.  Hhmm...actually, I can't really get past this error page at 
>> all.
>> Yikes, this can't be good.the 2nd to last line says
>> " PROFANITIES_LIST /spaces/ u'' "  (programmers' 
>> sense
>> of humor?)
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] staging site issues

[Brynn]

Hi again,
Possibly another issue, I'm not sure.  On staging, in my profile, 
the SVG images do not display a thumbnail ("no preview available"). 
However, in the gallery, the thumbnails are showing.

Thanks,
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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] staging site issues

> Hi Martin,
>Ok, it seems to be working now.  Wow, look at all the new stuff!!
> Will take a while to explore  :-)
>    Thanks for everyone's great work on this!
>
> All best,
> brynn
>
>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 1:17 AM
> To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>
> Cc: "Inkscape-Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] staging site issues
>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> You hit an unintended bug which I fixed almost right away but staging
>> didn't get updated.
>>
>> Please try again.
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>> On Sat, 2016-01-30 at 00:56 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>>> Hi Friends,
>>> Trying to do the test in the last comment for this bug
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1432911, but I'm having some issues with
>>> staging site.
>>>
>>> First, 502 Bad Gateway shows after I log in.  After I refresh the page, 
>>> I
>>> see that I am logged in.  Not sure if it will persist yet, but I'll let
>>> you
>>> know.
>>>
>>> 2nd, when I went to my profile page, I get a huge page full of errors 
>>> and
>>> codes.  The first 2 lines at the top are:
>>>
>>> "TypeError at /en/~brynn
>>> coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, instancemethod found"
>>>
>>> And at the very bottom, it says
>>>
>>> "You're seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django
>>> settings file. Change that to False, and Django will display a standard
>>> 500
>>> page"
>>>
>>> The problem is that I don't know where my Django settings file is.  Is 
>>> it
>>> in
>>> a preference file for staging site?  Or something on my local system?
>>> Maybe
>>> Firefox?  A lot of Ff prefs are set like that -- true or false.
>>>
>>> Also, I'm not sure if I really want a "standard 500 page" unless that
>>> just
>>> means to show the expected page.
>>>
>>> I could provide the page full of info, if you need it.  Or there's a
>>> smaller
>>> section on a yellow background, at the top.
>>>
>>> Based on what little I can  understand, I don't think I have the right
>>> kind
>>> of access to fix this.  But if I can, just tell me how  :-)
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>> brynn
>>>
>>> PS - I won't try to change my pw until this either is fixed, or you tell
>>> me
>>> it's ok.  Hhmm...actually, I can't really get past this error page at
>>> all.
>>> Yikes, this can't be good.the 2nd to last line says
>>> " PROFANITIES_LIST /spaces/ u'' "  (programmers'
>>> sense
>>> of humor?)
>>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] non-Inkscape image in gallery

[Brynn]

My offer to moderate (that I made some months ago) still stands :-)

brynn

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> On Sun, 2016-02-21 at 14:09 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> Oh no, I didn't see anything malicious either.  But isn't this supposed 
>> to
>> be a gallery for Inkscape images?
>>
>> If any image is ok, as long as it's not malicious or advertising or 
>> nudity,
>> won't the gallery eventually lose its focus (along with its audience)?
>> (That cardboard castle image still annoys me.  It's less about Inkscape 
>> than
>> this one!  If this one actually has any connection.)
>>
>> Perhaps I'm missing something about this?  But especially with space
>> apparently coming at a premium (BG 4 times in the last hour), won't the
>> gallery and website be better off without random non-Inkscape images?
>
> We have no official policy on non-inkscape images. Part of the reason
> for having such a low quota (when it works) is to not have to mind so
> much about random images that aren't actually offensive. It's an attempt
> to reduce our workloads if you will.
>
> Martin,
> 

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] non-Inkscape image in gallery

[Brynn]

Oh no, I didn't see anything malicious either.  But isn't this supposed to 
be a gallery for Inkscape images?

If any image is ok, as long as it's not malicious or advertising or nudity, 
won't the gallery eventually lose its focus (along with its audience)? 
(That cardboard castle image still annoys me.  It's less about Inkscape than 
this one!  If this one actually has any connection.)

Perhaps I'm missing something about this?  But especially with space 
apparently coming at a premium (BG 4 times in the last hour), won't the 
gallery and website be better off without random non-Inkscape images?

brynn

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> Each user gets 10MB, there's nothing malicious I can see here (yet). I
> guess we'll just wait and see if this user does anything wrong.
>
> Martin,
>
> On Sun, 2016-02-21 at 04:29 -0700, Brynn wrote:
>> Hi Friends (website team),
>> I'm reporting images here, until the report system allows for
>> the
>> reporter to add comments.  (Maybe I should make a feature request for
>> that?)
>> https://inkscape.org/en/~UptownKas/%E2%98%85kas
>> The member may well have created the logo in Inkscape, but
>> it's a
>> photo of (probably) his kids (or her kids?).  It could be perfectly
>> innocent
>> misunderstanding.  But could also just be advertisingalthough
>> they
>> didn't make any outside links.  Should they be contacted?
>> Remind me how much space a regular member gets?
>
> 

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links

[Brynn]

I've been trying to keep this page up to date, ever since I first created it 
(from original wiki page) although it probably has been 6 months since my 
last update.  I'll fix them asap!

Thanks,
brynn

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> Hi Sylvain,
>
> Am 28.03.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
>> Some links have died in the « Around the Internet » list:
>> * Baked Babies
>> * cube hobo web comic
>> I couldn't find them on the Internet either. Should we remove them?
>>
>> Also, ‘PixelPalaces pressents:’, shouldn't it be ‘PixelPalaces
>> presents:’? (And it's a bit hard to find the comic sometimes.)
>>
>> Some sites listed on the same page have moved:
>> * Modelshop (.com → .fr)
>> * 17deg.com
>> * Gatonegro deseño
>> * Sune Donath
>> The links should be updated, shouldn't they?
>
> - Thanks for checking :) Don't hesitate to fix these, Sylvain. If you
> do, either tell us all exactly which changes you made, so other
> languages can be updated by their respective translators, or, if you
> have the time, you can also just correct / delete the entries in the
> other languages (for links, this shouldn't pose any language problems).
>
>> Also, in this section:
>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/#inkscape-testers
>> there are three links which lead nowhere. And the questions at the end
>> are a bit weird.
>> At the end of the introduction of the page, there was also a paragraph:
>> ‘? Follow up’; I didn't understand what it meant and I removed it.
>> This page is probably missing some finalization…
>
> - See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1308611 and
> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/
>
> If you can find someone who's knowledgeable enough to update the page
> and willing to do it, that would be great...
>
> For contents questions, please always include the docs mailing list, so
> editors are kept in the loop, too.
>
> Kind regards,
> Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code style example + FLOSS manual

[Brynn]

Hi Sylvain,
Sorry for delay in responding.  Because of the title, ("code style") 
I thought the message might be about something that I can't help with.  So I 
didn't read it right away and only just now read it.
Yes, I'd be very happy to help!  But what's the plan now?
Since the FLOSS manual is now editable, are we looking to that, for 
the creation of a more step by step (rather than theoretical) open manual? 
Or are we going to use a translation of the French introduction chapter as a 
starting point for a new and open manual?

All best,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Code style example + FLOSS manual

>> - Seems that was a CMS plugin that was lost along the way.
>>
>> CMS Pygments plugin - color coded code example.
>> I've rescued these 4 from my cms backups now, it must have been one of
>> the following code bits (I think it's the second one, as I remember the
>> code you're asking about contained Krzysztof's name.)
>
> Yeah, it's certainly this one as it contains the parts evoked in the
> corresponding section.
>
>> Could you convert the formatting back to unicode, Sylvain, so it will
>> look alright and insert as  into the correct place?
>
> I don't know how to convert efficiently; I re-formatted at hand with a
> text editor and a Find tool.
> You mean, insert as ? I did it on the French version.
>
>> I don't know where the other three are missing - if you can figure that
>> out, we can reinsert those into their corresponding places, too.
>
> Probably on the same page: they demonstrate other elements of the coding
> style.
> I put the codes on the page:
> https://inkscape.org/fr/developper/style-du-code-source/
> Please check everything's good and copy it to the English version.
> The codes look a bit big; we could reduce the font size, or put them in
> a fixed-height block with a scrollbar…
>
>>> Also, I see on the TODO-list:
>>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/
>>> ‘French-to-English translation: A group of French speaking community
>>> members wrote a new "Introduction to Inkscape" manual. To enable further
>>> translations, we need an English translation of this user centered
>>> manual first.’
>>> I am not a good English speaker or writer (I let you judge) but we could
>>> do that in two steps: I could start an approximate translation to
>>> English and someone could then make a real English text of it (ow, what
>>> a tedious work…).
>>> Are you okay? Brynn, would you do that?
>>> (In any case, I think I am a better translator than Google for French ⇒
>>> English.)
>
> I am still waiting for my answer (but I might start before you give it
> to me).
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[Inkscape-docs] gallery upload quota

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
An Inkscape user I know (Lazur) has created a number of resources 
and made them available for download.  (document templates in the past, and 
more recently, filters)  He usually uses Open Clipart for that, but I 
suggested putting them on the Inkscape website.
Good idea, right?  But his reply was a concern about his quota for 
the gallery.  He's not near his quota, but doesn't want the filter files to 
affect it.  So I'm wondering if there might already be a way to address this 
situation, through some way I haven't heard about.  I suspect that website 
admins have individually increased the quota for certain members 
(jabiertxof, e.g.).
Or do we need to regard this as a new issue for discussion (feature 
request "bug" report)?  It seems like people who want to create Inkscape 
resources to share) (non-Artwork resources), should be able to upload them, 
without worrying about their quota.

Thanks for your help :-)
brynn



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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website: News plugin revamped

[Brynn]

Looks good!  Thanks Martin!

I don't see any issues.

brynn

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> Dear fellow website translators and editors,
>
> Martin has spent quite some time on revamping the website's news plugin,
> to improve the workflow for editors and translators, fix the current
> bugs which prevented us from editing/translating/creating news, and to
> make editing the news more comfortable.
>
> I really like how it has turned out, but look for yourself!
>
> These are the highlights:
>
> - News can now be created / edited / translated by accessing an extra
> menu item in the cms toolbar at the top of the page: It's labelled:
> "News" ;) (see screenshot)
>
> - Excerpts can now contain links, and other formatted content.
>
> - The editing interface allows you to use the WYSIWYG editor instead of
> needing to type in plain html. You can now add links by selecting text,
> then clicking on the link symbol, and style the text. Images or videos
> must be inserted via source mode, just like before.
>
> - Missing news translations are filled in by their English counterparts
>
>
> There's one known issue, due to a bug in the editor:
>
> - double-clicking to edit links will give you a dialog that doesn't
> allow you to edit anything. It also doesn't allow you to click on any
> close buttons in the dialog.
> -> To not loose your changes, just click on 'Save' for the parent
> dialog, and open it again after that.
>
> Instead of double-clicking, you can use one of the following options:
> - right-click on a link, select 'Edit Link' from the context menu
> - place the cursor somewhere in the link, then click on the link icon
> - or, lastly, switch to source mode and edit the
> http://example.com;>link text element in plain html.
>
> And one small inconvenience:
>
> After publishing a translation for the first time, you'll get a 404
> (page not found) error. You can just remove the wrong (english) slug
> from the url, and hit enter, then you get to a day archive for your
> language that shows the article you just translated.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Maren
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery upload quota

[Brynn]

Ok, thanks Maren :-)

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> Hi Brynn,
>
>> Do you mean that Lazur already asked for higher quota?  This is
>
> Your previous message:
>> But his reply was a concern about his quota for
>> the gallery.
>
> I took this as a request, so he needn't worry anymore. Thanks for the
> link to his profile.
>
>>> What I think is that else, spammers will soon find out that they can
>>> upload anything into a certain category, and we'll have bad Inkscape
>>> extensions, keyboard files, filters etc. that don't belong, and a
>>> website that doesn't have the capacity to save them all.
>>
>>I don't quite understand that.  I think you took a couple of
>> steps in your logic, and only wrote the result.  So I'm not sure what
>> you mean.
>
> - The quota exists to prevent people we don't know, and who may
> potentially upload malware or use inkscape.org as their own little
> 'cloud service' from uploading too much.
>
> The space on the server is limited.
>
> If we allow some categories to be exempt from the limitation, people
> will notice. Which is, of course, an encouragement for the 'good'
> uploads we want to have, but also one for those we do not want.
>
> And those files can then pool up in the categories that are, in some
> way, special, as they are meant not only for looking and admiring, but
> also for downloading to people's computers.
>
> We neither want those categories to be full of files people upload there
> because they don't have any space left, nor do we want to loose control
> over the disk space.
>
> If we give people we trust more space on request, no problem.
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>>
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>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:40 AM
>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery upload quota
>>
>>> Hi Brynn,
>>>
>>> currently, I think it's best if they just ask for a raise of the quota
>>> (like Lazur did - can you give us a link to his profile so we can do
>>> this for the correct user?)
>>>
>>> What I think is that else, spammers will soon find out that they can
>>> upload anything into a certain category, and we'll have bad Inkscape
>>> extensions, keyboard files, filters etc. that don't belong, and a
>>> website that doesn't have the capacity to save them all.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Maren
>>>
>>> Am 20.03.2016 um 18:34 schrieb Brynn:
>>>> Hi Friends,
>>>> An Inkscape user I know (Lazur) has created a number of
>>>> resources
>>>> and made them available for download.  (document templates in the
>>>> past, and
>>>> more recently, filters)  He usually uses Open Clipart for that, but I
>>>> suggested putting them on the Inkscape website.
>>>> Good idea, right?  But his reply was a concern about his
>>>> quota for
>>>> the gallery.  He's not near his quota, but doesn't want the filter
>>>> files to
>>>> affect it.  So I'm wondering if there might already be a way to
>>>> address this
>>>> situation, through some way I haven't heard about.  I suspect that
>>>> website
>>>> admins have individually increased the quota for certain members
>>>> (jabiertxof, e.g.).
>>>> Or do we need to regard this as a new issue for discussion
>>>> (feature
>>>> request "bug" report)?  It seems like people who want to create 
>>>> Inkscape
>>>> resources to share) (non-Artwork resources), should be able to upload
>>>> them,
>>>> without worrying about their quota.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help :-)
>>>> brynn
>>>>
>>>>
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[Inkscape-docs] new gallery spam

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
Regarding recent discussions about spam in the gallery, I would 
identify this as something that needs to be removed, because they made a 
link to their website.

https://inkscape.global.ssl.fastly.net/media/resources/file/sgd570_beauty_shot_0.jpg

Note that it's the 3rd non-Inkscape-related image on the first page. 
The other 2 don't have links (at least not so far).

Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] gallery upload quota

[Brynn]

Hi Maren,
Do you mean that Lazur already asked for higher quota?  This is his 
profile:  https://inkscape.org/en/~Lazur

> What I think is that else, spammers will soon find out that they can
> upload anything into a certain category, and we'll have bad Inkscape
> extensions, keyboard files, filters etc. that don't belong, and a
> website that doesn't have the capacity to save them all.

I don't quite understand that.  I think you took a couple of steps 
in your logic, and only wrote the result.  So I'm not sure what you mean.

Thanks,
brynn

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> Hi Brynn,
>
> currently, I think it's best if they just ask for a raise of the quota
> (like Lazur did - can you give us a link to his profile so we can do
> this for the correct user?)
>
> What I think is that else, spammers will soon find out that they can
> upload anything into a certain category, and we'll have bad Inkscape
> extensions, keyboard files, filters etc. that don't belong, and a
> website that doesn't have the capacity to save them all.
>
> Kind regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 20.03.2016 um 18:34 schrieb Brynn:
>> Hi Friends,
>> An Inkscape user I know (Lazur) has created a number of resources
>> and made them available for download.  (document templates in the past, 
>> and
>> more recently, filters)  He usually uses Open Clipart for that, but I
>> suggested putting them on the Inkscape website.
>> Good idea, right?  But his reply was a concern about his quota 
>> for
>> the gallery.  He's not near his quota, but doesn't want the filter files 
>> to
>> affect it.  So I'm wondering if there might already be a way to address 
>> this
>> situation, through some way I haven't heard about.  I suspect that 
>> website
>> admins have individually increased the quota for certain members
>> (jabiertxof, e.g.).
>> Or do we need to regard this as a new issue for discussion 
>> (feature
>> request "bug" report)?  It seems like people who want to create Inkscape
>> resources to share) (non-Artwork resources), should be able to upload 
>> them,
>> without worrying about their quota.
>>
>> Thanks for your help :-)
>> brynn
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] report of difficulty uploading to gallery

[Brynn]

Ask and you shall receive!

Thanks, Martin.

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> Fixing this wasn't easy, but I've committed (not released yet) code that
> replaces the License widget with the new FilterSelect widget, this gets
> the information about what categories their tied to and passes it to
> jquery. A jquery piece then disables options not allowed.
>
> The message returned to users is also improved, it now says what
> licenses are allowed (this is for people with disable js)
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Sun, 2016-04-03 at 22:38 +0200, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>> Am 03.04.2016 um 21:06 schrieb Brynn:
>> > Hi Friends,
>> > Lazur mentioned to me that he's trying to upload a new filter 
>> > set to
>> > the gallery.  If I understand correctly, it won't upload, and the 
>> > license
>> > area becomes red.  I've guessed it's because he needs to use a certain
>> > license for a filter set, but I'm not sure specifically which one. 
>> > (Also
>> > not sure if that's a correct guess.)  He had tried to use Public 
>> > Domain.
>> > (See the Chatbox on the index page of Inkscape Community, for details.)
>>
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> Yes, you're guessing correctly. The valid licences for Inkscape files
>> (i.e. those that potentially could be distributed with the program) are
>> set to GPL, LGPL and AGPL.
>> I'd also have added Public Domain and other free licences - but my
>> question about that topic has probably been lost.
>>
>> I also find it frustrating to upload something, and to have to re-select
>> the file when the licence doesn't match (I think it should at least give
>> feedback on which ones are allowed when submission fails).
>>
>> Would you like to make a bug report for this? (I don't know if that's
>> possible with django forms or if this needs some additional js. The
>> greying out would need AJAX to update the form when you switch the
>> category.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>  Kind regards,
>>  Maren
>>
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > brynn
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-translator] Dead links

[Brynn]

Ok, here's the rundown, if anyone is interested.

Removed because either the site is gone, or it's no longer about Inkscape or 
SVG or vector graphics:
-- baked babies
-- cube hoboes
-- 17 deg

For all the others, this page originally came from a wiki page, where anyone 
who wanted to join the mailing list, to ask for edit creds, could get them. 
So a large percentage of these were posted by the artist themselves.

For all the cases where the URL has changed, the artist has provided 
redirects, so that the content still shows up.  I never would have known the 
address had changed, if it hadn't been pointed out.   I'm kind of feeling 
like if the artist is caring enough, they can ask for the link to be 
updated.  But I'll change them, if that's what everyone wants.  Or anyone 
else edit, as well.

I don't know though.  Perhaps since the paradigm has kind of changed, to 
where "the website team" is doing the editing, there should be some 
mechanism for deciding which sites deserve to be there?

Maybe something like "If you'd like to see your site listed here, please 
contact" at the bottom.  Or maybe even at the top?  Although that might 
have to include "please notify us when the URL changes, so we can keep the 
page current".  Just a thought?

For the misspelling of "presents" - it's likely the artist misspelled it to 
begin with.  I honestly can't remember if I retyped, or simply copy/pasted 
(although if I had to guess, I would say I copied it, and just didn't notice 
the misspelling).  After perusing the site (which is not easy to navigate 
and I find very confusing), it appears the SVG content only appears in the 
archive.  Now he's apparently using videos to tell the story of his comic. 
Perhaps it's not even worth keeping, I'm not sure.  Or maybe should just 
link to the archive?

Anyway, that's the current situation.

brynn

PS - Maren, you can notify translators -- basically just 3 lines to delete.

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> I've been trying to keep this page up to date, ever since I first created 
> it
> (from original wiki page) although it probably has been 6 months since my
> last update.  I'll fix them asap!
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
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>
>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> Am 28.03.2016 um 23:15 schrieb Sylvain Chiron:
>>> Some links have died in the « Around the Internet » list:
>>> * Baked Babies
>>> * cube hobo web comic
>>> I couldn't find them on the Internet either. Should we remove them?
>>>
>>> Also, ‘PixelPalaces pressents:’, shouldn't it be ‘PixelPalaces
>>> presents:’? (And it's a bit hard to find the comic sometimes.)
>>>
>>> Some sites listed on the same page have moved:
>>> * Modelshop (.com → .fr)
>>> * 17deg.com
>>> * Gatonegro deseño
>>> * Sune Donath
>>> The links should be updated, shouldn't they?
>>
>> - Thanks for checking :) Don't hesitate to fix these, Sylvain. If you
>> do, either tell us all exactly which changes you made, so other
>> languages can be updated by their respective translators, or, if you
>> have the time, you can also just correct / delete the entries in the
>> other languages (for links, this shouldn't pose any language problems).
>>
>>> Also, in this section:
>>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/testing/#inkscape-testers
>>> there are three links which lead nowhere. And the questions at the end
>>> are a bit weird.
>>> At the end of the introduction of the page, there was also a paragraph:
>>> ‘? Follow up’; I didn't understand what it meant and I removed it.
>>> This page is probably missing some finalization…
>>
>> - See https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1308611 and
>> https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/to-do-list/
>>
>> If you can find someone who's knowledgeable enough to update the page
>> and willing to do it, that would be great...
>>
>> For contents questions, please always include the docs mailing list, so
>> editors are kept in the loop, too.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Maren

Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)

[Brynn]

Thanks guys  :-)
Hah, that's a nice new description someone added!

I really came to discover this page while explaining about the gallery to 
someone who will need a new place to show their images after IF disappears. 
So I'm looking at it from the perspective of an artist who wonders if this 
will be a good place to start a gallery.

Replying to both Martin's and Maren's at the same time.  Well yes, they are 
nearly the same answers anyway.

Regarding the title of the gallery.  Because I chose such a generic title, I 
wasn't sure if it was using the name I chose, or if it was automatically 
adding the username in front of " 's gallery".

So no, I don't need to change it, at least not right now.  But for example, 
if I were to add a new gallery, I would probably want to change the name. 
(When I first started my gallery, I had no idea it was possible to have more 
than 1 album/gallery.  So that's why I gave it such a generic name.) 
(Actually a lot of people might be in this same boat.)

And many artists probably would like the ability to move images from one 
gallery to another, change the titles, change the descriptions and choose 
the thumbnails.

I will make a bug report for editing personal galleries.  And another for 
the proportions of the thumbnail.

Also, I'll make a mockup to show what I'm thinking.  Unless I run in to a 
problem, I'll post it shortly.

All best,
brynn

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> Hi Brynn,
>
> you chose the name 'brynn's gallery' yourself when you created that
> subgallery ;) Would you like me to change the name for that subgallery?
>
> It's like a folder inside your main gallery (but the main gallery always
> shows every file, also those in the subgalleries).
>
>>  Since it says
>> "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a way to
>> add a description?
>
> The 'None' is indeed the empty description, which probably shouldn't
> show when there isn't one (fix committed).
>
> Adding that description is currently not possible via the website (or
> rather, only possible if you have access to the admin interface).
>
>> In the future, will there be a way to change the title, such as
>> change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)?
>
> Changing a gallery's name doesn't seem to be possible at the moment (at
> least not by just clicking around on the website).
>
> We could make feature requests for those above two issues (summarized as
> 'Editing a gallery needs to be implemented'). I think it once was
> possible, but got lost...
>
>> Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct proportions.  It's
>> distorted.
>
> For the distorted thumbnail, we'd need a separate bug report.
>
>> How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail?
>> I think that's the first image I uploaded
>
> - It will go through all the images you uploaded into that gallery and
> pick the first one that is published, yes. Admins can set an image
> explicitly. You could add that to the 'Editing a gallery' feature request.
>
>> And finally.  It's not easy to find this page, and it seems like it
>> should be more easily accessible.  I don't understand why it goes from my
>> profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/) where I
>> have to click on "All  Uploads" 
>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/).
>> And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery"
>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>> It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of
>> https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile page.
>> The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery page
>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>> I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads" page.  But
>> having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages), seems
>> unnecessary.  I think the galleries should be linked directly from the
>> profile.
>
> - How would you do that? (in terms of 'where would you like them to show
> up?) Can you make a mockup?
>
> Thanks for the gallery usage feedback!
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)

[Brynn]

Ok, here's a simple mockup:

http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/gal3.png

Now I'll make the bug reports.

All best,
brynn

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> LOL, seems we've almost written the same things, Martin :)
>
> Maren
>
> Am 23.05.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Martin Owens:
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>>> will there be a way to change the title, such as
>>> change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)?  Since
>>> it says
>>> "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a
>>> way to
>>> add a description?  Or maybe there already is, and I haven't found it
>>> yet?
>>
>> There's supposed to be, but it's not there in the new design. So that's
>> a bug.
>>
>>> How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail?  I
>>> think
>>> that's the first image I uploaded.  But it would be nice to be able
>>> to
>>> choose.  Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct
>>> proportions.  It's
>>> distorted.
>>
>> That's also a bug report. There is a way to select the thumbnail, but
>> it's not restrictive enough for general use since you can at the moment
>> pick /any/ work ever uploaded.
>>
>>> And finally.  It's not easy to find this page, and it seems
>>> like it
>>> should be more easily accessible.  I don't understand why it goes
>>> from my
>>> profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/)
>>> where I
>>> have to click on "All  Uploads"
>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/).
>>
>>
>>
>>> And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery"
>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>>> It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of
>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile
>>> page.
>>
>> How would you lay it out?
>>
>>>
>>> The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery
>>> page
>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>>
>> I deliberately took out the extra filters for the gallery pages. I want
>> to make the gallery pages seem less like the normal "all works" pages.
>>
>>> I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads"
>>> page.  But
>>> having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages),
>>> seems
>>> unnecessary.  I think the galleries should be linked directly from
>>> the
>>> profile.
>>
>> This would need a spot of UI work, how would they link, what would the
>> link look like?
>>
>>> Let me know if any of these should be written in a new bug
>>> report.
>>> I'll be glad to create one.  But otherwise, just having those
>>> questions
>>> answered would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks brynn, this is a good review of the gallery pages.
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)

[Brynn]

Ok, no problem.  Yes, that's why I post to the list first, because often 
what I think is a bug isn't, or a feature request that's already in the 
works.

All best,
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 3:32 PM
To: "Brynn" <br...@frii.com>; <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>; "Martin 
Owens" <docto...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)

> Am 23.05.2016 um 21:47 schrieb Brynn:
>> Ok, here's a simple mockup:
>>
>> http://inkscapecommunity.com/jd/ss/gal3.png
>>
>> Now I'll make the bug reports.
>
> Brynn, would you add the mockup in a bug report/feature request, too?
> (Sorry, I think we weren't clear about that...). On the mailing list,
> it's much more difficult to keep track of your suggestions, this would
> make it easier for us to not loose any good info.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Maren
>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
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>> From: "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>
>> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 11:36 AM
>> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] user gallery (InkSpace)
>>
>>> LOL, seems we've almost written the same things, Martin :)
>>>
>>> Maren
>>>
>>> Am 23.05.2016 um 19:09 schrieb Martin Owens:
>>>> Hi Brynn,
>>>>
>>>>> will there be a way to change the title, such as
>>>>> change "brynn's gallery" to "brynn's artwork" (or whatever)?  Since
>>>>> it says
>>>>> "None" underneath the title, does that mean there is going to be a
>>>>> way to
>>>>> add a description?  Or maybe there already is, and I haven't found it
>>>>> yet?
>>>>
>>>> There's supposed to be, but it's not there in the new design. So that's
>>>> a bug.
>>>>
>>>>> How does it decide which image to use for the thumbnail?  I
>>>>> think
>>>>> that's the first image I uploaded.  But it would be nice to be able
>>>>> to
>>>>> choose.  Also that thumbnail doesn't have the correct
>>>>> proportions.  It's
>>>>> distorted.
>>>>
>>>> That's also a bug report. There is a way to select the thumbnail, but
>>>> it's not restrictive enough for general use since you can at the moment
>>>> pick /any/ work ever uploaded.
>>>>
>>>>> And finally.  It's not easy to find this page, and it seems
>>>>> like it
>>>>> should be more easily accessible.  I don't understand why it goes
>>>>> from my
>>>>> profile (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/)
>>>>> where I
>>>>> have to click on "All  Uploads"
>>>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And then from there, click on "brynn's gallery"
>>>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>>>>> It seems like the Galleries menu (bottom-right of
>>>>> https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/) should be on the profile
>>>>> page.
>>>>
>>>> How would you lay it out?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Media Category and License menus could go on brynn's gallery
>>>>> page
>>>>> (https://inkscape.org/en/~brynn/gallery/brynns-gallery/).
>>>>
>>>> I deliberately took out the extra filters for the gallery pages. I want
>>>> to make the gallery pages seem less like the normal "all works" pages.
>>>>
>>>>> I can see how it's helpful to have an "all uploads"
>>>>> page.  But
>>>>> having to click through it, to find the gallery page (or pages),
>>>>> seems
>>>>> unnecessary.  I think the galleries should be linked directly from
>>>>> the
>>>>> profile.
>>>>
>>>> This would need a spot of UI work, how would they link, what would the
>>>> link look like?
>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if any of these should be written in a new bug
>>>>> report.
>>>>> I'll be glad to create one.  But otherwise, just having those
>>>>> questions
>&

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Thanks!

[Brynn]

Oopsmaybe only partially fixed?  I just saw the new icon beside Message 
icon.  If I click "My Galleries" the issue is fixed.  But if I go to my My 
Profile, still not fixed.

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> Just wanted to say Thanks! for fixing the SVG display in the InkSpaces!
>
> All best  :-D
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Help please?

[Brynn]

It it possible to upload an html file.  But what shows up in the gallery is 
the html code, not the page.  So I think you'd have to make it an image 
file.

This is part of the problem I think I might have mentioned to you in either 
another message or the forum.  I'm trying to figure out how to make 
tutorials for the website, with links.  It can't be a PNG and have a link in 
it.  It almost would have to be an SVG file.  Or maybe PDF.

But anyway, to put your tutorials in the  InkSpace Tutorials section, it 
can't be an html file.

Sorry, I wish I had a good answer for you.

All best,
brynn

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From: ugajin
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 3:13 PM
To: Brynn
Cc: ma...@goos-habermann.de ; inkscape-docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Help please?


Hi Brynn

I do not want to include exercises.html and tutorial.html with the zip 
download. The (extension) zip will include a readMe.html file. If I upload 
the tutorial.html and/or exercises.html to the tutorial category, won't they 
still be downloadable?

I would like the tutorial, and ecercises to be readable, not downloadable.

I hope this makes sense.

Kind regards

-u




 On Sun, 24 Jul 2016 16:41:05 + Brynn<br...@frii.com> wrote  

Hi ugajin,
I'm not quite following what your concerns are. You want the html
pages to be available for users, but you don't want the users to download
them?
I guess you could upload the tutorial to the InkSpace Tutorial
category. And then I think it's fairly typical to have a readme file
together with an extension or any other program. Maybe the readme file
could have a link to the tutorial?

All best,
brynn

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From: ugajin
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 4:11 AM
To: ma...@goos-habermann.de
Cc: inkscape-docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Help please?


Hi Maren,

Yes, I am referring to the html documentation; specifically the
'tutorial.html and 'examples.html' pages. The viewBox... extension files,
together with the readMe file will be downloadable. The structure that I
have made, seems to work OK, and I would like to keep links in the
readMe.html file for the example.html and tutorial.html pages, so ideally
these pages need to be hosted, but not by me.

I have considered building a local structure, and adding the said supporting
docs to the zip file. Indeed, this had been my initial approach, but as the
supporting documentation grew, I began to have doubts, and to ask, why do it
this way? Including them in the zip file would no doubt 'work', but it is
not the approach that I would like to take.

Further, why should anyone have, or want to download files that a) they may
not want, and/or b) simply in order to access, and/or peruse them? I am not
against anyone downloading them per-se (e.g. if they chose to do so) and, I
am less worried about users breaking any relative links. I guess, I am
simply not intending the supporting documents to be downloadable.

I don't think requesting more space is an answer.

Thanks for considering matters.

Kind regards.

-u


 On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:59:28 + <ma...@goos-habermann.de> wrote  

Hi u,

I'm not entirely sure which specific documents you are referring to.

If you mean external documents, that you don't control (the manual, for
example), then you could just add a link into the README file and / or
into the description text for the extension.

If you mean your own html documents, why don't you just add them to the
zip file? You could make a subfolder 'documentation' or similar, if you
like.

If you need more space for uploading everything, this list is the place to
request it.

Kind Regards,
Maren

>
> I have been working on a new extension called viewBox..., which is
> awaiting upload to the Inkscape addons gallery. It is available for
> preview here:
> http://ugajin.co.uk/sketchbooks/viewBox/viewBox/viewBox.html, with a bunch
> of supporting documents.
>
> The problem is what to do with the supporting documents (I do not want to
> host them on ugajin.co.uk). Whilst, I may upload the extension files,
> without the supporting documents and/or providing a link to them, this
> seems to me to be the wrong approach.
>
> The viewBox and its sibling attributes are one of those things, which are
> not be easily accessed in Inkscape, and those cutting their teeth writing
> SVG using Inkscape may benefit from the supporting documentation.
>
> Thank you for considering matters.
>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc

[Brynn]

Well the page won't need a style sheet.  Once the page is added to the 
website, it will use the style sheet of the website.

Thanks for your proposal!  See my comments in the bug report.

All best,
brynn
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From: ugajin
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 7:15 AM
To: ugajin
Cc: Brynn ; Sylvain Chiron ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc


I uploaded screenshot: 
https://inkscape.org/en/~ugajin/★vector-bitmap-screen-shot-2016-08-02-at-125800

-u



 On Tue, 02 Aug 2016 11:26:28 + ugajin <uga...@zoho.com> wrote  

By tempate, I meant an html template and style sheet.
I have looking at the various ''Learn' pages, none of which contain images, 
save for a few in-line images in the FAQ page.

Yesterday, I tried to attach a grab of a graphic that I had made, but it got 
snared by the moderator bot as it was too big, and it seems to have got 
stuck pending a decision.  I thought it might serve as a starting point, or 
something.  Also, I made a start on a draft accompanying text, which I would 
be glad to post somewhere, so that others may comment and/or contribute.

-u

 On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 19:19:54 + Brynn <br...@frii.com> wrote  

Comment #25 in this bug report:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1258842

contains a list of the main points that we think the image should
illustrate. That's about all we have that's concrete.

I was just trying out some ideas earlier today -- I've thought about writing
sort of a sample script, to make it easier for artists to build on. But I
didn't have much time, and didn't get very far.

However, I have no doubt that eventually we'll be successful, and have a
nice graphic (or "infographic") for the website.

All best,
brynn



From: ugajin
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:35 PM
To: Maren Hachmann
Cc: Brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net ; jeremy@gmail.com ;
Sylvain Chiron
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc


Is there a page template?

-u


 On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:05:23 + Maren
Hachmann<ma...@goos-habermann.de> wrote  

Am 07.07.2016 um 04:38 schrieb Brynn:
> OH!! Idea :-)
> Once we get the forum issues settled, maybe this could be the first
> official competition for the new official forum?

- I like that, Brynn! Jeremy, what do you think about helping with this?

@Sylvain: The purpose of the page is not of encyclopedic nature. People
could use Wikipedia for that or just google it.

We are specifically looking for something that will help us in our
day-to-day support-giving work.

The requirements for that are: easy, quick read / quick view,
nice-looking, engaging, fitting to the Inkscape project (maybe with
Inkscape mascot, not comparing to other specific software, stress on
things people will wonder about when using Inkscape for the first time),
translatable.

Kind Regards,
Maren

> All best,
> brynn
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:38 AM
> To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Bitmap/Vector doc
>
>> Hi Jeremy,
>>
>> thanks for your offer to help :)
>>
>> Am 05.07.2016 um 12:34 schrieb Jeremy G:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks to Sylvain, I saw on an french task list (1) that a clear
>>> explanation of the difference between a bitmap/raster file and a vector
>>> one was wanted for the website. I also read a part of the conversation
>>> on the bug report page (2) (not everything as the discussion is quite
>>> long :) ).
>>
>> - Yes, the main intention was to have an info graphic explaining the
>> differences and to have a short text that accompanies the picture, if
>> needed.
>>
>> It seems to be a bit difficult, though, to find someone to draw such a
>> graphic for us. Brynn had the idea to make this some sort of contest, or
>> to just ask on social media for someone who could draw up such a thing.
>>
>> Could you also imagine to help with something like that (I don't mean
>> drawing yourself - unless you want to, but helping to organize this)?
>>
>> But, as this has already been taking so long, I also wouldn't mind if
>> this just became a nice, concise, easy article, with a few small example
>> pictures.
>>
>> *Easy* is a key point, because the people who need this explanation
>> usually don't know anything about vector graphics. It should also not be
>> a long read (hence the info graphic idea), but something that you jump
>> to, read, and return to what you've been previously doing (because we
>> would like to point people to it

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals

[Brynn]

> By the way, aren't there more books about Inkscape? On Packt
> Publishing's website, I see there are at least 4 books:
> https://www.packtpub.com/all?search=inkscape
> One of them is evoked in an old news article on the Inkscape website:
> https://inkscape.org/en/news/2011/04/30/inkscape-048-illustrators-cookbook-available-now/
> Maybe we should have a single heading for all books on Packt Publishing

I had actually had that exact link listed on that page, at one time.  But 
was told that we don't want to advertise the publisher, so it was removed.

There are a lot of books about Inkscape, but I think the problem is that if 
none of us have reviewed, or even seen them, it's hard to justify promoting 
them.

We had a looong discussion about where to put the Keyboard Ref and Command 
Line Ref, because they are neither books or manuals.  Then we had a loong 
discussion about changing the name of the page.  None of the discussions 
produced a result that we all found acceptable, so everything was left as it 
is.

I do think the underlines could be dropped from the 2 Refs.  It probably 
didn't not look quite as imposing as it does now, since we changed the h3 
style.

All best,
brynn

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To: "Inkscape Docs" <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined 
manuals

> Hi all,
>
> Two things have questioned me for a while in the ‘Learn’ part of the
> website.
>
> The first is, why are the tutorials in a different order from the
> Inkscape program tutorial submenu's?
> I guess they're ordered by publication date on the website, but this
> detail is quite obsolete now; so could I reorder the tutorials on the
> website to match the order in Inkscape's ‘Tutorials’ submenu, which is a
> bit more logical?
>
> Second thing: why are all 3rd-level headings on the ‘Books and Manuals’
> page underlined? Here, my thought is that it was initially decided to
> underline the books' titles. But the keyboard shortcut and command line
> references are not really books bound to an author…
> I would also recommend that we use italic, as those thick lines have a
> look which is a bit hard.
> Then we would have Tav's manual and the book in italic.
>
> By the way, aren't there more books about Inkscape? On Packt
> Publishing's website, I see there are at least 4 books:
> https://www.packtpub.com/all?search=inkscape
> One of them is evoked in an old news article on the Inkscape website:
> https://inkscape.org/en/news/2011/04/30/inkscape-048-illustrators-cookbook-available-now/
> Maybe we should have a single heading for all books on Packt Publishing
> to avoid promoting it. Let me see… Among the 4, 3 are by Bethany Hiitola
> and list her (or his?) book with bullets. We could also have a
> subsection for Bethany and another for the cookbook. What do you prefer?
>
> For my two things, I'll deal with all languages (unless anybody wants to
> help). For the books, I'll call the help of translators as the text will
> change.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and underlined manuals

[Brynn]

Maren:
">> - There are. There are *a lot* more books. And they are 
language-specific.
>> And I wouldn't want to have them all listed there (or rather, I wouldn't
>> want to have hundreds of links to amazon or some publishing house)."

Sylvain:
"> We could have different books for each language on the page. I don't
> think a French person will be really interested in books written in
> English if books in French also exist and are good. We could specify
> that one should visit the page in another language to get a list of
> books in that language."
>

Maren:
">> I'd rather like to promote books by people who have a connection to the
>> Inkscape community, so if you want to ask around on the Inkscape mailing
>> lists, and gather a few current ones that were written by people who
>> answer, that would make a nicer list."

I like that idea of having books in certain languages showing on certain 
translation pages.  However, I'm afraid some people are in such a hurry, 
they might not find the translation for their language, and they're 
stumbling along in English.

I think it might work if the English translation has all the books in all 
the languagesthen for the rest:  French only shows French books, Spanish 
only shows Spanish books, etc.

This reminds me of an idea that seems to recycle itself in my mind every few 
months.  The idea of a sort of more or less regular Inkscape Users' article 
on the website.  Realistically, twice a year is about the most I could 
imagine, especially since we would be out there, sort of fishing for people 
to write them (if not writing ourselves).  But it could be something like a 
manual review, or a presentation of a really cool project someone has done 
with Inkscape.  Or interview a developer, maybe??  Just a way to have 
something on the website that could help bring more interest for users.

Well anyway, just a thought  :-)

All best,
brynn

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To: <inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Website, ‘Learn’: Ordered tutorials and 
underlined manuals

> Le 14/07/2016 à 01:31, ma...@goos-habermann.de a écrit :
>> - It was just a style decision made by the editor at the time. No 
>> specific
>> reason. I like it as it is, but of course there are many ways to display
>> something.
>
> You're right… The same underlining is used on the Download pages. But
> HTML for styling is bad.
>
>> - There are. There are *a lot* more books. And they are 
>> language-specific.
>> And I wouldn't want to have them all listed there (or rather, I wouldn't
>> want to have hundreds of links to amazon or some publishing house).
>
> We could have different books for each language on the page. I don't
> think a French person will be really interested in books written in
> English if books in French also exist and are good. We could specify
> that one should visit the page in another language to get a list of
> books in that language.
>
>> I'd rather like to promote books by people who have a connection to the
>> Inkscape community, so if you want to ask around on the Inkscape mailing
>> lists, and gather a few current ones that were written by people who
>> answer, that would make a nicer list.
>
> You're right, that would be great.
>
>> I think we once tried something like
>> this - maybe with some research you will find the discussion, I don't
>> remember every part of it now.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/inkscape/mailman/search/?q=books
> I browsed a bit, useful information seems hard to find.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think I'm the more appropriate person to ask on
> mailing lists — I don't feel ease at it. I fear looking demanding with
> all my remarks: ‘your software is buggy’, ‘your texts are full of
> mistakes’, ‘your wiki was organized and coded with feet and bottom’,
> ‘there's that little problem hard to correct but which really annoys me
> in this or that reference’ — and now ‘hey, I'm new and I wonder why you
> left your Books page empty like that’, while my work has not been of
> high value till now, it might be too much. I'll wait.
>
>> - That's fine. It would be nice to only do that when the 'project' of
>> getting new books on the page is finished, so translators don't have to
>> translate it in many steps, but only in one.
>
> Yes, of course.
>
>> I had actually had that exact link listed on that page, at one time.
>> But was told that we don't want to advertise the publisher, so it was
>> removed.
>
> I understand it's a problem. I already found Packt Publishing in the
> news sev

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Yet another tutorial for Inkscape

[Brynn]

Hi Roy, Sylvain, Maren and all,
I think the general philosophy about which tutorials to include on 
the Tutorials page, is not to have many 3rd party tutorials.  In general, 
the project wants to avoid using a lot of bitrot-able links.  I think there 
are only 4 or 5 third party links on that page, and I would hesitate to put 
more.
On my site, Inkscape Community 
(http://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php) I've curated what I think are 
all the best tutorials around the internet.  (I review and update all the 
links twice each year.)  I'll be more than happy to review the tutorials, 
and potentially include them on that page.  Are you willing to receive tips 
for improving them?  Or are you just making them available as is?
Recently I had the idea to use my list of known tutorials in much 
the same way we're using the list of extensions I've made. 
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1580783)  I made a new bug 
report as a proposal:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1603669. 
Briefly, this will be an attempt to have as many tutorials as possible, 
available for download (or just viewing) on the website.
Of course, Roy would be welcome to upload those tutorials already! 
The first step is to register an account for the website, and then it should 
be relatively easy to figure out from there.  Although we'll be glad to 
help, if you get stuck.
I don't have the registration link available, but it should be 
readily visible when you visit the website:  https://inkscape.org/  Or maybe 
someone else has it handy?

All best,
brynn

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> Hi Roy, Brynn and Sylvain,
>
>> Maybe we could include:
>> https://roy-torley.github.io/Inkscape_Tutorial/Inkscape_Tutorial_Contents.html
>> in the Tutorial list page:
>> https://inkscape.org/en/learn/tutorials/
>> But I don't know the policy for including tutorials there.
>
> - They need to be good :) and useful for many people. I can't currently
> take a close look at Roy's tuts, but if Sylvain and Brynn agree that these
> are nice, then, of course, they can be included. Or, maybe, they could be
> uploaded into the 'Tutorials' section of the gallery, even as links only -
> that would allow Roy to change and update the info about his tutorials
> himself and to tag them, to add a licence, etc.
>
>> Maren's
>> tutorials seem not to be included for example.
>
> - I'm not a lot into self-promotion (but I'm happy that Brynn included
> them into the list at her forum).
>
> Regards,
> Maren
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Features + FAQ

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>
> ‘GIMP’ does not refer to itself with ‘the’:
> http://www.gimp.org/
>

Oh, I was not aware of that!  I thought it was called The GNU Image 
Manipulation Program.  When I first was aware of gimp, their website and 
manual and forums, and everything associated with the program, called it 
"The GIMP".  I do realize that most people refer to it as GIMP, but from 
everything I knew, the proper name is The GIMP.  Perhaps that has changed in 
recent years?

All best,
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> Le 19/06/2016 à 00:49, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
>> Am 18.06.2016 um 11:20 schrieb Brynn:
>>> I did wonder why the extra anchor or question was made.  I would have
>>> just added a couple of extra sentences to the answer for FAQ #1.5.
>
> That's because I love organization… But well, this was not correctly
> organized.
>
>> - Didn't look too closely at the organization, but I agree with you,
>> Brynn - I think it could work like this:
>>
>> "Inkscape can natively import most raster formats (JPEG, PNG, GIF, etc.)
>> as bitmap images, but it can only export PNG bitmaps.
>>
>> Inkscape does not intend to export other raster formats than PNG as this
>> is currently the most suited format for vector graphics: it uses
>> lossless compression and is supported by typically all graphics or
>> rendering software.
>>
>> If you really need to get your vector in another raster format (e.g.
>> because your document contains bitmaps and the PNG file size is large or
>> if you want to use your vector on a platform which only accepts JPEG),
>> you will have to convert the exported PNG with another software (such as
>> the GIMP or ImageMagick) or an extension, for example, this one.
>
> ‘GIMP’ does not refer to itself with ‘the’:
> http://www.gimp.org/
>
>> Inkscape can save as SVG, SVGZ, PDF, Postscript/EPS/EPSi, LaTeX (*.tex),
>> POVRay (*.pov), HPGL, and MANY others. Starting with version 0.91,
>> Inkscape can save as: FXG (Flash XML Graphics), SIF (Synfig Animation
>> Studio), HTML5 Canvas, and there are improvements for XAML export.
>> Please see “Exporting Other File Types” section of the Exporting Files
>> chapter of the manual, for more details.
>>
>> If you need another export format that Inkscape currently does not
>> offer, you can make a suggestion to add it to Inkscape in the Inkscape
>> bug tracker."
>
> I had written an ironical ‘try’ as Martin said he already received the
> request for JPEG but won't allow that export — :).
>
> I changed the text.
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[Inkscape-docs] 504 and 502 gateway errors

[brynn]

Hi Friends,
I know there are issues with the website not having enough space 
lately. 
But just to document.  Or maybe this wasn't related to that?  I was trying to 
get to:

https://inkscape.org/en/contribute/contributors/

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[Inkscape-docs] server errors in gallery

[brynn]

Hi Friends, Martin,
I'm getting server errors when I try to open resources in the gallery 
that I've never opened before.  If I've opened them before, they open as normal.
I want to keep testing and try to gather info for you, but the error 
message says that it's generating an email.  So I don't want to flood you.
But let me know if I can help.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

[brynn]

Done!

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 10:01 AM
To: brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Cc: Martin Owens
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

Yes, please do. The article is so far from what I would have had in mind
that I'd only be tempted to write one / to criticize (and I want neither).

Regards,
Maren

Am 18.02.2017 um 10:17 schrieb brynn:
> Thanks guys.  I figured everything out, and finished it.  Sometimes I
> call out for support before I've explored everything that I should.  I
> have my email set for plain text only, so that's what happened.
>
> Bryce suggested a proofread by Maren.  If you don't want to, I'll do
> another proof myself, then go ahead and publish.
>
> Thanks again,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:49 AM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing
>
> Yes, definitely. Copying directly from an email breaks it, if the email
> client has support for some kind of (html) formatting (happened with the
> other unpublished article, too, when Martin copied from his email
> client...).
>
> Anything that is copied into the website into a field that uses some
> kind of formatting with an extra editor (WYSIWYG), needs to be copied
> from a pure text handling instance, like notepad, kate, gedit, or even
> the search or address bar in the browser (that's usually the fastest way
> to remove formatting), unless you *want* monospace fonts, or a text that
> is difficult to edit ;-)
>
> Maren
>
> Am 17.02.2017 um 06:10 schrieb Martin Owens:
>> Hi Brynn,
>>
>> Not sure why that's going wrong for you.
>>
>> Pop the editor into HTML mode and check the code directly. Maybe the
>> paste caused some weird tags that's confusing the editor.
>>
>> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>> On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 20:44 -0700, brynn wrote:
>>> Hi Martin and/or Maren,
>>> I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1
>>> announcement.
>>> I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading.  I highlight
>>> those 2
>>> words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown
>>> menu.  But it
>>> keeps changing the entire page to h4!
>>> Is there something new about the editor that I haven't
>>> learned about
>>> yet?
>>> Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from
>>> email, and
>>> pasted directly into the editor?  Maybe I need to type it in
>>> fresh?  At least I
>>> already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes.
>>> Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly,
>>> until I hear
>>> from one of you (it's getting late for family households).
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> brynn
>>>
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[Inkscape-docs] website issue

[brynn]

Something weird is happening with the website.  I'm not quite sure how to 
explain it.  Images are missing (except in the gallery) and all links, even 
text 
links, are blue spheres.

Just in case you didn't notice yet.  I waited half an hour, to make sure it 
wasn't a momentary glitch.

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[Inkscape-docs] news editing

[brynn]

Hi Martin and/or Maren,
I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1 announcement. 
I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading.  I highlight those 2 
words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown menu.  But it 
keeps changing the entire page to h4!
Is there something new about the editor that I haven't learned about 
yet?
Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from email, and 
pasted directly into the editor?  Maybe I need to type it in fresh?  At least I 
already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes.
Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly, until I 
hear 
from one of you (it's getting late for family households).

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

[brynn]

Nevermind.  I think it was something about copying out of the email.  But I've 
got it all reformatted now.

Thanks anyway,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: brynn
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 8:44 PM
To: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

Hi Martin and/or Maren,
I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1 announcement.
I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading.  I highlight those 2
words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown menu.  But it
keeps changing the entire page to h4!
Is there something new about the editor that I haven't learned about
yet?
Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from email, and
pasted directly into the editor?  Maybe I need to type it in fresh?  At least I
already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes.
Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly, until I hear
from one of you (it's getting late for family households).

Thanks,
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

[brynn]

Thanks guys.  I figured everything out, and finished it.  Sometimes I call out 
for support before I've explored everything that I should.  I have my email set 
for plain text only, so that's what happened.

Bryce suggested a proofread by Maren.  If you don't want to, I'll do another 
proof myself, then go ahead and publish.

Thanks again,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:49 AM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] news editing

Yes, definitely. Copying directly from an email breaks it, if the email
client has support for some kind of (html) formatting (happened with the
other unpublished article, too, when Martin copied from his email
client...).

Anything that is copied into the website into a field that uses some
kind of formatting with an extra editor (WYSIWYG), needs to be copied
from a pure text handling instance, like notepad, kate, gedit, or even
the search or address bar in the browser (that's usually the fastest way
to remove formatting), unless you *want* monospace fonts, or a text that
is difficult to edit ;-)

Maren

Am 17.02.2017 um 06:10 schrieb Martin Owens:
> Hi Brynn,
>
> Not sure why that's going wrong for you.
>
> Pop the editor into HTML mode and check the code directly. Maybe the
> paste caused some weird tags that's confusing the editor.
>
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
>
> On Thu, 2017-02-16 at 20:44 -0700, brynn wrote:
>> Hi Martin and/or Maren,
>> I'm trying to make a quick News item using Bryce's 0.92.1
>> announcement.
>> I'm trying to make "Regression Fixes" into h4 heading.  I highlight
>> those 2
>> words, and choose h4 heading from the Paragraph Format dropdown
>> menu.  But it
>> keeps changing the entire page to h4!
>> Is there something new about the editor that I haven't
>> learned about
>> yet?
>> Maybe it has something to do with having been copied from
>> email, and
>> pasted directly into the editor?  Maybe I need to type it in
>> fresh?  At least I
>> already know I have to re-do the links, so they use the proper codes.
>> Well, I'll be limping along, by changing the html directly,
>> until I hear
>> from one of you (it's getting late for family households).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] full size image/outside link

[Brynn]

Thanks Sylvain,
I thought that was for the link in the bottom-right area of the 
image page.  For example, this one:
https://inkscape.org/en/~Neon22/%E2%98%85lasercut-tabbed-box
has an external link in the bottom-right area, but when you click on the 
image, it's a link to a zip file (download).

TA  :-)

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> Le 03/09/2016 à 12:31, Brynn a écrit :
>> https://inkscape.org/en/~pacogarcia/%E2%98%85inkscape-to-povray-exporter
>>
>> How did he make the outside link, when you click on the image?
>
> Using the External Link field?
> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/
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[Inkscape-docs] full size image/outside link

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I was just looking at a new exension that's been uploaded to the 
website:

https://inkscape.org/en/~pacogarcia/%E2%98%85inkscape-to-povray-exporter

How did he make the outside link, when you click on the image?  All 
the other extensions that I've looked at, when you click on the image, 
either you're offered the file (usually zip file) to be downloaded or you 
see the full size image.  I mean, I realize that the link goes to his site, 
where the file can be downloaded.  I just can't figure out how he made that 
link.
Nothing urgent.   Just curious  :-)

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] bad gateway

[Brynn]

Well, I could look it up.  And if a very specific time was needed, I would. 
But I thought just a general idea would be ok for this.

Out of curiosity, this must be a code for something?  $ date --utc

(I would guess that most people here, I mean all people, not just internet 
users, don't even know what UTC is.  Although if you explained it, they 
would probably say they vaguely remember about learning in school.  Internet 
users are probably more aware than non-users.)

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> Right, the website is down for me too, 10:15 UTC (now).
> https://inkscape.org/
>
> I don't know Mountain Daylight time… Why don't people use UTC there?
> $ date --utc
>
> Sylvain
>
> Le 27/08/2016 à 12:09, Brynn a écrit :
>> Hi Friends,
>> Just to report 502 Bad Gateway around 4:15 am Mountain Daylight
>> Time.  Not resolved with multiple refresh/reloads.  I don't have any 
>> urgent
>> need, but just reporting it  :-)
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
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[Inkscape-docs] bad gateway

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
Just to report 502 Bad Gateway around 4:15 am Mountain Daylight 
Time.  Not resolved with multiple refresh/reloads.  I don't have any urgent 
need, but just reporting it  :-)

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[Inkscape-docs] prevent email address as username on website?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I was just looking at the gallery today, and noticed a new image 
that's been uploaded.  And I happened to notice that the user name is an 
email address.  Is there any way to prevent that?
It seems like this has been briefly discussed before, but I don't 
remember which solution was proposed, if any.
Or is it not considered to be a problem?  To me, the use of email 
addresses for username is just another way for spammers to harvest 
addresses.  So it just seems prudent not to contribute to that problem.  (Or 
if nothing else, not to have a lot of spammer traffic).

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[Inkscape-docs] about screen InkSpace description

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
I was just looking at the About Screen Contest InkSpace page:

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/

after Martin asked on the User list if people would test uploading on this 
page:

https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/about-test-contest/

And I noticed the description on the first page, which is:

"When the Inkscape team and community is winding down development and 
preparing to release the next version we invite our artist users to help us 
make Inkscape stand out by drawing an About Screen. Our goal is to show off 
what the new version of Inkscape can do in an artistic manner. We don't have 
a particular theme, but it should be smart, attractive and show off the best 
you can do in Inkscape."

I think the tone reinforces a separation between the user and 
development communities, so I suggested the following change.  However, I 
would also welcome others to tweak on it, since I'm sure it could be 
improved even further.
(And of course I can't actually perform the edit, because I don't 
have the right kind of access for that.)

"Long time Inkscape users may have noticed that the About screen (Help menu 
 > About) is different for each major version of Inkscape.  Traditionally, 
when development is winding down, and just before each new version is 
released, the community celebrates by holding a contest to choose a new 
image for the About screen.  The goal is to show off what the new version 
can do, in an artistic manner, as well as to announce the release (with 
flair???).  Please see [link] for more information."

So I eliminated any mentioning of separate communities, explained 
what the About screen is, and about the contest.  I dropped that part about 
the theme, because it seems to belong more in the instructions for the 
contest.  I don't actually know where the instructions are yet.  But if this 
is where they are supposed to be, then of course it needs a lot more 
editing!  And I added a link to the instructions or other additional info.

Please tweak away  :-)

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] about screen InkSpace description

[Brynn]

 >> We're pushing the about screen contest out today,
So I've drafted out an update which you can see here:
https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=about-screen-contest/
It can still be amended, but I think it's fairly good for now.

So it's time for posting announcements in forums?  Did I see someone 
(Maren?) was going to make a quick News article about it?  Oh I see, it was 
about pre2beta.  Do we need a brief News item for the About screen contest?

Regarding the description, the last sentence:

"See below in the Galleries list on the left for a list of contests to join 
in."

I think it should be on the right, rather than left?

All best,
brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest

[Brynn]

Awesome!  Thanks for the tweaks and thanks for publishing - I really thought 
I might need to put the image off to the side.  But I couldn't find a way to 
view the saved page, outside of the editor.  (Not that it necessarily needs 
to be fixed.  I'm just glad to be able to write new news now, because for a 
while there, the proper links weren't showing up for me.)

Wow, 56 entries?  I've been wondering if that's a record participation, but 
we probably don't keep those statistics.

Thanks again  :-)

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> Hi Brynn,
>
> thanks for writing that up. I've only fixed the number of entries in the
> summary part and will now tell translators about the new article.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Maren
>
> Am 28.11.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Brynn:
>> Ok, so I wrote a rough first draft, which probably needs some
>> polishingor at least a proof read.  I was thinking to insert the 
>> winning
>> image into the article, and  I did insert the SVG, but I could always 
>> export
>> a PNG if that would be better.
>>
>> It's not published yet.  Title is "About Screen Contest 0.92 Winner!"
>>
>> Please feel free to tweak and edit if necessary.  I'm thinking publishing 
>> by
>> Monday afternoon would be reasonable.
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> brynn
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>>> News article announcing winner, needed?  I haven't seen Maren for a 
>>> couple
>>> of days, and I think she's been on top of the news articles recently.  I
>>> could write something brief, if it's needed.  Althoughwell, it
>>> looks
>>> like I do have access to create a new news item now.  If I click News in
>>> the
>>> top menu, then New news, it opens the Django editor.  If that's the
>>> correct
>>> way to do it, I could get started.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> brynn
>>>
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest

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News article announcing winner, needed?  I haven't seen Maren for a couple 
of days, and I think she's been on top of the news articles recently.  I 
could write something brief, if it's needed.  Althoughwell, it looks 
like I do have access to create a new news item now.  If I click News in the 
top menu, then New news, it opens the Django editor.  If that's the correct 
way to do it, I could get started.

All best,
brynn

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest

[Brynn]

Ok, so I wrote a rough first draft, which probably needs some 
polishingor at least a proof read.  I was thinking to insert the winning 
image into the article, and  I did insert the SVG, but I could always export 
a PNG if that would be better.

It's not published yet.  Title is "About Screen Contest 0.92 Winner!"

Please feel free to tweak and edit if necessary.  I'm thinking publishing by 
Monday afternoon would be reasonable.

Thanks for your help,
brynn

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Subject: Re: [Inkscape-devel] Winner: About screen contest

> News article announcing winner, needed?  I haven't seen Maren for a couple
> of days, and I think she's been on top of the news articles recently.  I
> could write something brief, if it's needed.  Althoughwell, it 
> looks
> like I do have access to create a new news item now.  If I click News in 
> the
> top menu, then New news, it opens the Django editor.  If that's the 
> correct
> way to do it, I could get started.
>
> All best,
> brynn
>
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[Inkscape-docs] about contest entry excluded?

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
Just catching up on gallery postings since I've been under the 
weather last week.  I noticed this image:

https://inkscape.org/en/~rognu/%E2%98%85inkscape-092

which is not in the contest gallery, but obviously seems to be meant to be 
in the contest.   Awesome image, I probably would have voted for it.
Is there some reason it's not in the contest gallery?  Submitted too 
late?  Does anyone know the story?

Thanks,
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[Inkscape-docs] contest deadline

[Brynn]

Hi Friends,
Nov 13th is the date being circulated as the deadline for the About 
Screen Contest.  For some reason, I thought it was the 8th.  I'm thinking it 
would be good to have the deadline date mentioned on the instructions page. 
And I would do it myself, except I'm not 100% positive that it's the 13th.
If we can confirm the date, I'll add it to the page  :-)

Thanks,
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