Re: Saving/restore session
Hi, Thanks, unfortunately i havent mentioned that im using ion2 not ion3 so no ioncore.snapshot ... i think its time to move to ion3 Both versions save workspaces' layouts to lua files, when doing clean exits. IIRC both provide with a menu option to save / load workspaces in that file. ~/.ion2/default-session/workspaces.lua ~/.ion3/default-session--0/saved_layout.lua What I did was saving the layouts I like then removing write authorizations on that file with chmod so it wouldn't get overriden on exit. Happy tiling, -- Sylvain Abélard J’ai décidé d’être heureux, c’est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: FAILgasm
NOBODY, almost NOBODY, is actually interested in making stuff NOT suck. I am. Most guys on this ML are, they even acknowledge that not sucking greatly varies for each. Wrong place to preach. Did we perhaps forget somebody? Well, Tuomo has a far greater troll-power and writing talent. Sorry, fake Tuomo. -- Sylvain Abélard J’ai décidé d’être heureux, c’est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Name of the fork / Voting
Hi all, sorry for being late for the vote, I'd vote for nion and notion. With an existing Notion software, there's a small chance in having problems and a big chance not being googlable, and THAT is a bigger problem IMNSHO, just as panman wrote. We can probably solve it by using the name NotionWM instead of just Notion. I'm not particularly good with coming up with names. ThinWM? TinyParticle? TilingMadeSimple? Quirk? (Told you I was terrible.) If we're going to find new names, I'm no better, but the Wikipedia ion page is great for finding metaphors: * Aurora - sounds like a new, beautiful and exciting stuff Competing on Google is the concept plane. * NucleusWM - sounds nice and would carry the idea of a small WM, but there are many other uses for this word, even in software. * Faraday - he discovered and named the ions. There are a lot of fun metaphors we can find ^^ * Polyatomic - well, that's geeky :) Just my 2 cents, -- Sylvain Abélard J’ai décidé d’être heureux, c’est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Abandoning darcs
If only Apple wasn't so blur-fascist, and had 4:3 laptops with a nipple... And non-glossy screens for all configurations, not just for 2000€ ones. Although, I did try the _huge_ touchpad on one of the newer Apple laptops recently, and it was far better than most I've come across: no need to be skating back and forth, actually quite comfortable And the slide with two fingers scrolls whatever content you have is incredibly handy. Luckily this is being copied to more and more computers (netbooks). The rest is mostly candy for demoes, but the zoom and rotate features are cool and handy for the visual stuff. to move the cursor with it. But, still, it's in the way of typing -- can't rest your thumbs anywhere I'm testing this right now. That's not really a problem to keep your thumbs on the trackpad, even with the tap-mode activated. If they move a little, your mouse will flicker (thak God, it disappears when you're typing), but that's not really a big deal. The most painful is Window Management (missing ion so much) and that Spaces multi-desktop thing not well integrated, especially overriding some keyboard bindings (which are customisable with limited choices, all of them not satisfying). You may find yourself disappointed at their quite-non-standard keyboard layout and some other inconsistencies, but they're less painful. Apparently there are some external tools but they tend to break things more than they solve problems. -- Sylvain Abélard J’ai décidé d’être heureux, c’est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment
One thing I've been wondering is, whether a widescreen display on a laptop (not a dragtop!) is actually a bad idea too. And it's the trend. For most _sane_ documents, the height of the screen is more important than width. That is completely true. WS and X-black-shiny-crap have been forced upon us, nobody sane would like that, and we're pretty much fucked up. But maybe some guy will get it right someday. (The Modern Web counts as sheer lunacy. In a few years, given the trend, it will require triple-widescreen configurations for all the advertisements and other crap, yet still have a single 5cm text column in the middle.) The Web will not require a triple-wide screen since the trend seems precisely to get the content on a third of the width, two thirds being empty white (or styled) borders. And, preferably, long pages and large headers, so it's frequent not to be able to even read half of the latest post without scrolling. Just have a look at Blogger, Wordpress and DotClear default and most used themes. Yes, the Web has the exact inverse trend than the screens. I am still wondering about that too. Who can tell what crap the Web-for-phones-and-devices will give us next ? In fact, an approx A4 sized screen [...] could be quite nice on a laptop. That would be great, readable, and not to mention easier to fit in normal bags. -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Keyboard focus lost in Swing applications (ex: Netbeans) after changing to window
Java on Linux is pain But the MacOS JVM sucks, the Windows ecosystem makes Java not portable, the exotic platforms Java Editions lacks the libraries (not portable again), and Java for the web was stillborn, dead, resurrected and will keep being a zombie. Java is pain is enough. -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: [SEMI-OT] Applications in a typical ion3 desktop environment
If one can find an affordable notebook with a *matte* screen anymore, I share your hate of glossy screens. It's been a few harsh years. I happened to see a few matte-screen-laptops from Samsung recently, maybe you can finally find one. But then, it was quite a small-size (10 to 12) and probably widescreen resolution. I also heard you can find companies that replace MacBooks screens with matte ones for $100. FYI, the matte screen option is $100, only available on the biggest $2500 Mac. Of course, you probably hate the Mac's UI and its lack of possible customizations. It certainly lacks configuration possibilities, but the multitouch gestures make mac-WM less painful. GeekBind did much about this, but does not work on the latest MacOS versions. Maybe Nick has more MacOS WM-tricks, because I'm really new to Mac. Good luck, -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Disable automatic saving of workspace (frame layout)
How do I save workspace and frame layout? Ion does it automatically for you when you exit it cleanly. Can ion be configured not to do this? A long time ago, my hack was to remove the write rights to the saved-layout file. If there isn't a better way now, I hope it helps -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: maximizing
Flash in particular doesn't think it should be in FS mode if it doesn't have the focus. Flash has many defects, but is this one so bad ? I wouldn't like the ugly Flash ads on a web-page to make itself fullscreen without asking, nor would I like the warning hit escape to quit fullscreen screen to be disable-able. Flash is made for dummies. I mean, *real* dummies. Some of their limitations are features, not bugs or omissions. Be an early adopter! Beat the herd! Choose Windows today! Your troll-power is exceptional :D PS: would it be easy to fix this ML's reply-to? Is it possible, do we want to avoid it? -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Other/Proprietary License with Source
Ion . Other/Proprietary License with Source daemontools . Public Domain qmail ... Public Domain djbdns .. Freeware cdb . Freeware Yes, is it so?! I am not a champion in license discrimination and disputing, but I am skeptic a bit on the assignment: DJB's software as public domain or freeware (not even sure the latter are synonyms by the way). Freeware only means free as in free beer to use. ie no money required. A freeware license does not include source, or many of the OSS freedoms. I've seen this quite often: you can use it for freee, your friend can use it for free, but according ti the EULA you can't share it to your friends : the vendor demands they come and download it themselves from the institutional website. I don't really know aobout public domain. Guess it changes between countries. IIRC it means the intellectual property is public and you can use it. But it does not means the source is released (like, abandonware) neither the original product becomes totally free for all : in music, you are free to play Bach (even make money from it) without risking being sued, but you can't share MP3s because you still have to pay for the musicians and whatever. Anyway I've quite forgotten the details and IANAL. I find ... bizarre (bizarre rhetorically speaking) those *double-standards* (provided they are such--I apologize if I am mistaken). DJB's software getting a ... *green light*, so to speak, and Tuomo's software getting a *red light* (after all, seeing an Other/Proprietary License with Source is likely to scare away enough people). I agree, this can scare people, and license problems really are bothering distributions (which seems to be Tuomo's intent). For those reading this mailing list for a long time, however, and knowing the details of the license, I don't feel like my freedoms are hindered at all : it's LGPL with added clauses, and these clauses merely states that one should not seek support or hold Tuomo responsible for outdated versions nor unapproved patches. This has been put in rough terms all over the Net and distros MLs, but it seems to me that Tuomo only want to protect his free time from hassles of lusers and distro maintainers. As he is kind enough te develop and frely provid ion on his free time, and I'd rather see ion3 advance or ion4 be created, I can only agree with that. Finally, since ion still is at core an Open Source project, everyone is free to make a fork. I guess debian already does so, by copying ion and changing just the name and possibly some Xft/Xinerama patches (I may be wrong). Then Tuomo is then no longer responsible for this, never gets complaints, and everyone is happy. DISCLAIMER : That's just my view of things. I may recall wrongly. I made it simple, therefore it does not show every side of the debate. -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: 2.7 (=~e)
Everyone knows the next great OS will be written in Javascript :) The One True OS is just a new name for The One True Editor. And as everyone knows, it's in Lisp ^^ Happy trolling :D -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: ion-3-20080207
. .. ... ... --- ... --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--.. -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: ion-3-20080207
--/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--.. At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-))) Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are not using The One True Editor :) http://xkcd.com/378/ (sorry for this geekiness) -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: ion-3-20080207
I'm using the other editor I wouldn't want to start a flame here (especially since I started it) so I'll just respect that ;) http://xkcd.com/378/ Thanks for link. I didn't knew this comic. Great stuff. :-) This comic is really impressive and loads of fun for geeks. Once you've browsed everything, you may be interested in reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xkcd#Life_imitates_xkcd http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/ http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/10/01/the-meetup/ just to be convinced this guy must be a mage of some kind. -- Sylvain Abélard J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé. -Voltaire
Re: Life, universe, and ION3
On 10/9/07, Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-10-09, Sylvain Abélard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Provided you bear with monoculture and software locks, why not. Sounds like where FOSS is heading. You don't find heroic Tuomo Valkonen's making your Windows usable. Yet. DotNet is YAMMHBE But F# and the recent DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime) looks really sexy ! -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: close only one window and leave the other son process
if i have 10 ooffice windows open and i want to close only one of it OpenOffice provides C-W and C-Q to respectively close one document and all documents. This is certainly not a ion problem. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: ion3 eyecandy - gnome-dock
It's called gnome-dock, you can find it at http://www.gnome-dock.org/, and it looks really great.. In gnome :-( I guess Tuomo's answer will look like that : RTFFAQ (item #4) : http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/faq/entries/Reporting_bugs.html Which means Gnome is such a pain to deal with that you'd better not even ask. RTFML : http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-general/2007-March/001786.html Even a non-Gnome-related requested feature would not have been implemented anyway. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: connect two windows
I've another question.. Is it somewhat possible to connect two windows in different frames (are they called frames btw?) . To make it a little clearer let's assume I have an instant messenger and the buddy list is in one frame, the actual conversation in another.. If I now switch to the messanger's buddy list in the first frame, I would like the conversation to appear automatically in the second frame. You can use winprops to attach your client windows in the frames you want. I'm not sure about what you want to do, but I must warn you that very few (if any) IM client correctly sets its winprops, ie. setting them in a usable manner (if setting them differently than the buddy list at all). But then, I didn't try the new version of GAIM or whatever they named it. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: ion-3rc-09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0.tar.gz
My impression is that, these days there is much less stupid questions on this list than there were three years ago, which makes me think that users tend to become less of lusers, no? I must diagree with this point. Luser questions on ion3's ML only means there are less lusers that use ion3 and bother to post stupid questions on the ML. I think a pure luser attitude is to be discouraged at the first difficulty, so they'd change to another WM before posting their lame questions. Most of them would not even try such a strange WM (or a using a non-mainstream OS) in the first place. But you're probably right if you meant there are less *ion* lusers now than before. I don't know about the user/lusers ratio, though I am pretty sure it is getting lower and lower over time (foldoc:// september that never ended). I mostly develop in Ruby and Rails, and the apparent ease to develop in such a language gathers many, many, many would-be developers (aged 14 to 18 most of the time) that does not have the slightest clue about what Object Oriented means, why MVC stands for, or even why is their commented code not working. Reading doc is so painful, when you feel anyone must give you the right answer and do the work for you. So yes, in my mind, lusers' number is growing. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: emulating xinerama?
The main advantage of dual monitor support We've already been discussing that on this ML, I think everything that had to be said has been said. Tuomo only says three things which are in essence, these : - I won't support Xinerama - Development on ion3 is coming to an end anyway - I won't answer to questions that I am not responsible for However he certainly is OK with people using ion3 for whatever purpose they want and any hacks in the code they want (support of antialiasing or Xinerama for instance) provided you don't bother him with that. agree'd. i have given up on using the gimp under ion a long time ago, tho (prefer shotophop under vmware anyways). GIMP/Photoshop is a matter of personal preference (and money), but using Gimp under ion3 is really fantastic. That's also a matter of presonal preference but I think : - combinating GIMP's shortcuts if you know/like them, and ion's shortcuts for window management, is super-comfortable - using winprops to position this annoying GIMP tool preferences away from your drawing frame is cool - switching from windowed to fullscreen mode is easy Which in the end makes your mouse used only for the graphic art stuff and eliminates useless and time-eating movements back and forth the applications' options. Priceless :) -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: Tutorial vs. help screen [Was: Re: If it is still unclear to someone...]
At risk of starting a flamewar, I personally dislike all the ctrl-k I also disabled F3/F5/F6, because many apps use [...] I agree, I've done the same ;) But there's no point in eradicating C-K in the default bindings, that only pushed me to make my own scheme (base on Win+arrows most of the time). I've seen many people feeling the need to reconfigure their bindings to fit their habits or their language, they wouldn't have done this effort if at some point they did not find something really irritating. But overall, the defaults are not so 'impossible' anyway. for find next, F5 for reload, and F6 for highlight location bar You mean C-R and C-L (and its friend C-K) ? In Firefox / IE at least ;) I also agree with Joerg, but having a keyboard full of MOD+single_key combos would probably be really strange. There is a high probability of a newbie being scared by a window split when mistakenly hitting alt-S or Win-S instead of his often-used C-S. I do not aim at being interface nazi but ion is about taking back control, so why not incitate users to do so ? Anyone here added some bindings or looked in the documentation for a rarely-used function he needed, that's perfect ! You know your config, you are not surprised and you are efficient (if not, you change again). The MS-Windows alt-shift combination for changing keyboard input (FR-US) is often mistakenly typed and a non-computer-literate person could really freak out (imagine what it could have been if you installed dvorak...) In short : force users to change their bindings ! They'll be happy ever after :) ion3 users are not the casual user anyway, they won't be (so) scared. Just my 2 cents. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: Tutorial vs. help screen [Was: Re: If it is still unclear to someone...]
I was commenting on the idea of having a help screen, not any particular choice of bindings. It would be great if the help screen could take into account rebinding. Yeah I already said that, sorry for going into the (announced) flamebait ;) I still dont know if that's technically and easily feasible, but that's what some games do (Prince of Persia 3/4) and for some friends that like dvorak, it really was welcome when it bound four keys in the right place (e, o and...) instead of just looking for the famous WASD (which must be pretty much scattered everywhere). Just looking for those four keys are a pain on an azerty (fr) keyboard when you can't change the config can be quite disturbing. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: If it is still unclear to someone...
OK, no one yet. I really lack time but I sure am interested ! I'd also like to make ion's french translation, but at the moment I am stuck in a J2EE project that bit-rots every day -_-; I had not even been able to boot Linux since a few months (windows forced at work/school, too lazy to finish my install at home) and did not even test the latest ion3. I did not really understand the fuss of showing a tutorial (technically speaking) at first ion3 launch since I recall having something popping up the 1st time (or was it ion2 only ?). I think only the message which to display in this dialog needs to be thought about. How about replying to me with a list of concepts or tasks you think the tutorial should introduce? I'll do the writing and possibly the code, but let's start with what are we teaching? Now the concepts I'd like to see in this tutorial are pretty simple, and the man was quite good enough. First, let's reassure the user by saying how to get help (MOD1..F1), how to get out (F12 menu). We want to tell him that we are going to present defaults keybindings and that he can change them by editing some files. It could be nice if we can tell him dynamically which binding to use, according even his own config (what is MOD1, where are his distrib's files if no ~/.ion3 is found, and give him the keybindings he has defined if he already started to play with his config.) We need to make this intro as short and friendly as possible : everyone MUST fully read this, and they must find every vital information. For the rest, if he's hooked he'll read the manpage. Then, explain how to Create-Destroy-Navigate-Modify frames, workspaces, scratchpad. We want to show him many shortcuts, and both keyboard and mouse ways if possible. At last, we just show him (or point to files or URLs) advanced stuff such as the dock, statusbar, create your own menus and position your windows automatically with winprops. These were my 2 cents. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: Feature freeze imminent
On 2/22/07, Roman Cheplyaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Tuomo Valkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-02-22 15:18:01+] I'm tired of working on the project. Very sad to read this. Thanks for your work. Yes. Sorry for saying such common things, but ion is a great window manager, and we all thank you for making our computer-using lives better. Isn't there a way to send you beers or something so we can subtly try to get your motivation up ? ;) -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
Re: Are title-bars/tabs necessary? (was Re: Possible? Toggle statusbar)
The main problem usually is that *terminals* (which are the majority of client windows on my system) don't really tell you in the the window title what you were busy with on them... although probably this is a problem that could be solved. Any good suggestions on a better management without title bars are welcome. :) I don't think this can be solved. Some programs do think about you and print their status on the term's titlebar, such as Gentoo's emerge command. This is made by the guys who code their app, you can't ask for every console program and script to do that. This is just like asking every graphical app developer to follow ICCCM and to set the 'role' winprop cleverly so that you could organize them well in ion. I especially think of IM programs and their chat windows, which is one of the things I tried to automagically tidy in my ion3. I am not on an unix right now and I can't test what I'm about to say, but even if I'm not right on every point, I'm positive at least some of them are true : For a console app, what you could do would recode the term (that's without me, pal) to print on its titlebar either the program in action or the pwd when not told otherwise. That could help, but I'm sure you'll find cases in which this is still not the perfect solution. For example, when executing a shellscript, maybe you want to print only the name or $0, or every arg. Perhaps you want it to describe changes to the cwd, and every command it's using, perhaps not. And you may not want anything to change your terminal window's title, so you can do funky stuff with ion and not having to bother to write a cleverest parsing in Lua to recognize your original window. -- Sylvain Abelard, Railer Rubyist. Epita MTI 2008.
[WINPROPS] name ?
Hello all,
As most of you do, I use some IMs clients to chat with some friends. I
would like the IM's main window (with my contact list) to go in a
particular WFrame and chat windows in another. The problem is that both
main window and chat windows have the same 'class' and 'instance'
xprops.
I was wondering if a name winprop was available in ion3, or better,
if we could identify a window out of its window tile (xprop 'name')
regexp. Apparently this does not work and is not in the documentation
but ion didn't scold me when I wrote
defwinprop {
name = My_IM_Main_Window_Title,
target = MainIMTarget,
}in cfg_kludges.lua.
Would it be possible ? Is it already here and working, and I missed something ?
Have you ever wanted to do that, and how did you cope with that ?
Thanks,
-- Sylvain Abelard,Epita promo 2008
Re: Possible? Maximized Window + statusbar
Is it possible to maximize windows and to see the statusbar all the time? I want windows to use all available space (like in fullscreen) except the place for the statusbar. It should be always visible. This should help you (cfg_bindings.lua) : bdoc(Maximize the frame horizontally/vertically.), kpress(MOD1..H, WFrame.maximize_horiz(_)), kpress(MOD1..V, WFrame.maximize_vert(_)), These are my bindings, I don't remember if they appear in standard bindings. -- Sylvain Abelard, Epita promo 2008
Re: Ion logo?
http://200.171.162.89/ion-brainstorm-1.png The second brainstorm looks like power on button and that's fun, but I prefer brainstorm 1, for both the same as Kathryn (I*n) and the only one you've drawn in a square (I^3*n). You should put some names or number so we don't have to explain which one we like :) If we would like to respect chemistry models, the grayed purple circle should be centered on the O of ion, but I don't know if it will look better, and that would be hard to make a 16*16 icon out of it. -- Sylvain Abelard, Epita promo 2008
[BUG] Popups
Hello, When using zlock, if there are some popup windows (xmms error message, new dialog in IM chat), this new window overrides Zlock andleaves my account fully open to others :/ I encountered this bug with ion 2-20040729, on WIonWS (it works correctly with WFloatWS but I never use these), maybe a new version fixes this bug, but my school sticks to this version. Sorry if that has already been debated, I searched the mail-list archive and found nothing relevant about this. I may have searched too quickly, if that's the case, sorry, and just let me know. I also tried to compile the last version on my account, which required darcs to be compiled, but it fails because it does not find some header files of Lua. I installed Lua (though it works fine) to get those .h files, but they weren't found anyway. Thanks, -- Sylvain Abelard, Epita promo 2008 Looking forward to emjoying those new scripts and enhancements...
Re: Can tabs be numbered?
It's not possible at the moment. It would be quite easy to add such numbering, but I'm not so sure it is the best possible solution, and certainly it's a very cluttering one. This would be fairly disturbing when using mod_query query_attachclient and query_gotoclient, since those need the exact clientwindow name. If they were able to grep or glob what you type in this wouldn't be a problem (ie. if I only type Firef, this would give me my Firefox and whatever web address I'm visiting) but you'll have to handle problems when there are more than one possibility (ie. I have several Firefoxes managed by Ion). In fact, those two functions, or using the windowlist menu, may be a much cleaner solution to the source problem Yojuancho was speaking about : quick switching between apps. Since in the default binding for numbered frame switching is 'Mod1+K n', it might be better to display number tags after Mod1+K has been pressed. Of course this won't work if the bindings have been moved outside the submap, and sometimes it may annoying that the tags appear when hitting another unrelated key in the submap. Of course, hacking Ion to support this is a much more work and the solution not necessary so clean. Well I agree THAT would be dirty. One another possibility would of course be just a key/function to display those tags until next keypress or something. Why not. Maybe you can add a function that toggles tab enumerating, instead of just displaying these a short time, but I don't know if it would be hard to manage enumeration when killing/moving/creating clientwindows in each tab. -- Sylvain Abelard,
Re: howto disable all functions in ION but a few ones?
Hello, I must use the mouse.. You don't. One never does. Just say you prefer to. so..wanna release all of the F* keys and combinations from ion functions, but a few ones.. so now, the ones I want to keep: What you want is not disabling Ion's functionalities (who would ever want that ?), what you want is to change bindings. Just edit ~/.ion3/cfg_bindings.lua I'll post my ready-to-use config soon if you want, there are no bindings conflicting with any other apps, and the philosophy is quite different from the default one. I don't use multiple frames nor workspaces.. But why use a WM then ? So.. how can I do that? -to release *all* of the combinations and special keys but the 3 ones above mentioned- You need to understand that Ion is configurable, and that a key binding is different from the functionality attached to it by default. Ion has loads of nice stuff for you, and using it efficiently requires a bit of work, such as reading base documentation. It takes a little time at the beginning, but it saves you lots of time and pain later. See you soon, I'll post my config somewhere and explain it. -- Sylvain Abelard,
Re: French introduction to Ion3
As I really like the program, I decided to try to write a little document introducing Ion3 to beginners. Unfortunately, it is only available in my native language, i.e. french. As it has been written by a beginner, it only covers real basic manipulation and configuration, and may contain errors. But I am open to any suggestion. Hello, I did a bit of work myself about making Ion available in french, and began to work on the fr.po file (I'm not attaching it right now because my computer had some problems and I'm taking time to rework everything). I wanted to translate guided tour of ion 2 but you did this before me, so I suggest we should work in co-op somehow, not to do every work twice. I'll mail Julien personnally, if anyone is interested in this, please mail us or the ML, we'll contact you ! Thanks again for every great work made on Ion, -- Sylvain Abelard,
Re: xfce4-panel
Is there any way to use xfce4-panel with ion ? Is there any stuff xfce4panel does that ION3 is not already doing (and better) ? Command : just type F3 or any stuff you defined in your bindings Menu : look for cfg_menus.lua and define a binding for your menu Clock/Mail : ION has already its statusbar If you still want to use that, I suppose you can launch the binary as you would normally do, either in a frame you've made for that or in the scratchpad (you'll have to add it in your base config 'cause it's not here by default). You may find useful stuff to place your window as you like using xprop and cfg_kludges.lua using ION2 Guided tour and adapting if for ION3. http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/misc/guidedtour.html -- Sylvain Abelard.
