Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Larry, I was able to use OmniPage, that came free with my scanner, to scan a bunch of documents. I didn't go digging around in the program, just got it to scan and dump stuff to a text file. I was using JAWS 9. I didn't find any specific issues with using it. The menu structure was self explanatory, and very accessible. -- Blue skies. Dan Rossi Carnegie Mellon University. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel:(412) 268-9081 Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
I have been doing some reading on both Abby Finereader and a program called Text Cloner Pro and they both look like good candidates. I know there was some discussion about jaws and Omni Page however, I am still not sure which OCR package work best with Jaws. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Well, sometimes the OCR will take quite a while, particularly if the pdf file is large. I know that FineReader on its own can do this: and there are versions 15 and more recently 16 of Omnipage. (I made the point mainly for the consideration of others for whom Open Book or Kurzweil 1000 are to expensive. I would guess, however, that accessibility to pdf's without the benefit of K1000 or OB might be problematic. I have Kurzweil 1000 myself.) - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Actually I tried to run a pdf file scanned without OCR recognition (which jaws identifies as empty document) with OP14 and it did not work. The program starts to load the image file, but as soon as the recognition process begins, it stops and I get a blank screen; OP does not seem to detect the underlying text if OCR is not used from the beginning. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If OCR hadn't been turned on in the beginning of the process, Omnipage by itself could probably OCR the image files if needed: then you could read the PDF's with JAWS, although the OCR mightn't be as good. - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
I've got an employee at work using Abby Fine with JAWS, and he loves it. I've used Text Cloner Pro and found it was great for handling what I needed at home, so the price was right. At work we also have a number of people who use OpenBook and Kurzweil. You just need to look at the features you need, and how much money you want to spend. HTH, Annette -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 9:14 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty I have been doing some reading on both Abby Finereader and a program called Text Cloner Pro and they both look like good candidates. I know there was some discussion about jaws and Omni Page however, I am still not sure which OCR package work best with Jaws. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 6:42 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Well, sometimes the OCR will take quite a while, particularly if the pdf file is large. I know that FineReader on its own can do this: and there are versions 15 and more recently 16 of Omnipage. (I made the point mainly for the consideration of others for whom Open Book or Kurzweil 1000 are to expensive. I would guess, however, that accessibility to pdf's without the benefit of K1000 or OB might be problematic. I have Kurzweil 1000 myself.) - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Actually I tried to run a pdf file scanned without OCR recognition (which jaws identifies as empty document) with OP14 and it did not work. The program starts to load the image file, but as soon as the recognition process begins, it stops and I get a blank screen; OP does not seem to detect the underlying text if OCR is not used from the beginning. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If OCR hadn't been turned on in the beginning of the process, Omnipage by itself could probably OCR the image files if needed: then you could read the PDF's with JAWS, although the OCR mightn't be as good. - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Well, sometimes the OCR will take quite a while, particularly if the pdf file is large. I know that FineReader on its own can do this: and there are versions 15 and more recently 16 of Omnipage. (I made the point mainly for the consideration of others for whom Open Book or Kurzweil 1000 are to expensive. I would guess, however, that accessibility to pdf's without the benefit of K1000 or OB might be problematic. I have Kurzweil 1000 myself.) - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Actually I tried to run a pdf file scanned without OCR recognition (which jaws identifies as empty document) with OP14 and it did not work. The program starts to load the image file, but as soon as the recognition process begins, it stops and I get a blank screen; OP does not seem to detect the underlying text if OCR is not used from the beginning. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If OCR hadn't been turned on in the beginning of the process, Omnipage by itself could probably OCR the image files if needed: then you could read the PDF's with JAWS, although the OCR mightn't be as good. - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Actually I tried to run a pdf file scanned without OCR recognition (which jaws identifies as empty document) with OP14 and it did not work. The program starts to load the image file, but as soon as the recognition process begins, it stops and I get a blank screen; OP does not seem to detect the underlying text if OCR is not used from the beginning. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flor Lynch Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If OCR hadn't been turned on in the beginning of the process, Omnipage by itself could probably OCR the image files if needed: then you could read the PDF's with JAWS, although the OCR mightn't be as good. - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
If OCR hadn't been turned on in the beginning of the process, Omnipage by itself could probably OCR the image files if needed: then you could read the PDF's with JAWS, although the OCR mightn't be as good. - Original Message - From: S Farwaneh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 220963841) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Our department purchased an HP copier model 9055 (I think) with a scanning package added; the copier/scanner is connected to all computers in the dept and I have OmniPage on my computer; but JAWS reads pdf without further OCR process if the recognize text with OCR is turned on; in other words, OP is not needed. Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 5:21 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 220963841) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from
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What make and model of scanner and what scanning software are you using? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Farwaneh Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:35 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 220963841) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=220963841m=9ab83ed785bec=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
The reason JAWS reads it as a blank document is because whoever scanned the document forgot to turn on the 'recognize text with OCR button. When I want a hard copy scanned as pdf, I give my student worker the following instructions: 1. place copy on scanner 2. open Adobe Acrobat 3. go to file menu (alt f) 4. down arrow to create pdf submenu and then right arrow 5. choose the source of scan, in this case choose from scanner 6. you are in a dialog box with combo boxes and radio buttons: a. choose scanner b. choose front or both sides c. check recognize text with OCR (default setting but sometimes other users may turn it off) d. settings choose the settings you want e. check the button that says add tags improves accessibility for disabled users. f. press enter on the scan button. The resulting PDF file should be readable with JAWS. Best, Samira -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 588 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
This usually means that the document is simply a scanned image. no screen reader will be able to read it in that form. One thing you can try is to run it through an OCR program like K1000 or Open Book. Your results will vary. You may have to ask the person who sent it to you to send it in another format such as an MS Word document. Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Stansifer Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:02 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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With respect: Graphical images have to be scanned and recognized with OCR, rather like print on paper, which OpenBook, now an FS product, does. It would be nice if screen readers could also recognize writing on paper; but nobody's asking for them to do that - yet. Get Omnipage or FineReader for a good deal less than OB or K1000 if cost is the issue. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Dale, It is extremely frustrating when the brain trust at fs seems to have more interest in some kind of mindless auto forms mode or a gazillion different ways to rip and remake music tracks. After all, Ted Henter's original vision for JAWS was Job Access with Speech. With the professional version of JFW running near a grand per copy one would hope that the boys at FS would wake up and smell the demand. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If you look at the document in Windows Explorer with View/Details selected and it has a byte count of significantly more than 0 then you have the file in all probability. It is most likely a graphic, that is, a picture of text. What you are observing is that there is no text for NotePad or Adobe Reader to display. If you have Kurzweil or OpenBook or some other OCR programme you might be able to get them to open the document and scan it to recognize text. This is not usually all that satisfactory partly because the image may not be so clear or well scanned and the software can't discriminate the text in it all that well either. Sometimes you can print the file to a good printer then scan that into a programme like K1000 or OpenBook and get reasonable intelligence that way. You probably have the full document, just not in a form you can use. Frustrating isn't it. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 219561584) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post
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Dale, It is extremely frustrating when the brain trust at fs seems to have more interest in some kind of mindless auto forms mode or a gazillion different ways to rip and remake music tracks. After all, Ted Henter's original vision for JAWS was Job Access with Speech. With the professional version of JFW running near a grand per copy one would hope that the boys at FS would wake up and smell the demand. TNX Larry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:23 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty If you look at the document in Windows Explorer with View/Details selected and it has a byte count of significantly more than 0 then you have the file in all probability. It is most likely a graphic, that is, a picture of text. What you are observing is that there is no text for NotePad or Adobe Reader to display. If you have Kurzweil or OpenBook or some other OCR programme you might be able to get them to open the document and scan it to recognize text. This is not usually all that satisfactory partly because the image may not be so clear or well scanned and the software can't discriminate the text in it all that well either. Sometimes you can print the file to a good printer then scan that into a programme like K1000 or OpenBook and get reasonable intelligence that way. You probably have the full document, just not in a form you can use. Frustrating isn't it. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach InfoWest Spam Trap if this mail (ID 219561584) is spam: Spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=s Not spam: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=n Forget vote: https://spamtrap.infowest.com/canit/b.php?i=219561584m=b4f1997a773cc=f REMEMBER: Never give out your account information, password, or other personal information over e-mail. -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Well this time we cannot lay the blame at the feet of Freedom Scientific. This it a technology, maybe like auto racing which is just not amenable to access by the blind. Access is to some extent vicarious or by proxy. Jaws can't help us look at pictures or images when Web shopping and frequently the text descriptions offered are inadequate. I was just shopping for a winter jacket at Sears.ca. Of interest to me are things like good deep pockets for my folded cane, length, does it cover my behind from those north winds and things like that. I am offered descriptions like stylish, retro tailored, looks equally good on the ski slopes and in the urban environment. While this is someone's idea of what I need to know to make a decision it isn't my requirement. The confusion rests with that a PDF document can be an image. If it was a .GIF or a .MPG we would understand that it is a picture and wouldn't expect to be able to read it wit our technology. Sighted people would only notice the difference if they tried to edit the document, to them a picture of text is about the same as digital representation of text characters. Sort of the reverse of a nod being as good as a wink. Adobe doesn't even get it right most of the time. I have often saved a .PDF document as a text document using the selection in the FILE menu of the Adobe Reader application to look at it in NotePad. Sometimes the lay-out is columnar or otherwise wrapped and hard to follow in Adobe. The text document though often isn't better, sometimes worse. So, there are still areas where we don't and won't have direct access to the things we want to do. Someone is in the passenger seat experiencing the ride directly guiding, instructing, actively controlling while we experience the activity indirectly, responding and reacting to the events and circumstances. There are aspects of this technology, like most every technology which we will be able to participate in fully and there will always be aspects where we will not. I guess it comes back to the words in that Cheryl Crow song It's not having what you want. It's wanting what you've got. I would be much happier if the entire Adobe technology would disappear. Where I work they have an imaging device for creating and sending fax's, some bright a**holes are now using it to image documents, sending them to their computers, then sending them as attachments to e-mails. One example is someone who tears a page off of a calendar, marks checkmarks and comments as to when they will be at which facility, scans, attaches and sends it around. Now for a sighted person I suppose clicking on the attachment and looking at this in an Adobe window isn't much. For me, I open the message, open the attachments list, agree to open the file, wait for Adobe Reader to examine it only to discover it is a empty document then close it all back to the message. I suppose they also expect to print the page and stick it to the wall. We have millions of dollars worth of technology which is as useless to me in that application as the original paper they used to photocopy and drop in my mail box. On the other hand, most people still send a simple e-mail around with the information which gives me much better access and information than ever I had before, agenda, minutes, loads of stuff I never could keep and access at my leisure. So, while not independent in the driver's seat I can at least operate most of the climate controls so to speak. For now Larry you will still have to be content to have someone with sight interpret the image document for you. With luck it is an image of text so there shouldn't be too much interpretation if they read the words faithfully. Have you ever noticed how some people can't seem to read beginning at the top of the page sequentially to the bottom? People who seem to feel the need to even interpret meaning that doesn't need interpretation! Even the human interface can be frustrating and unreliable. On my XP computer at work there is a Microsoft Imaging application on the Desktop which will scan a paper with a scanner and it has an OCR option. I haven't used it so I don't know how well it works, I use K1000 and it often doesn't work very well either directly on the PDF or a scanned copy of the printed document I suspect because the original image is a little dark or light or otherwise less than ideal. If you have this application it might be a cheap way of trying to get at the document. Good luck and my sympathies align with yours. Just not the fault of Jaws is all. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Dale, It is extremely frustrating when the brain trust at fs seems to have more interest in some kind of mindless auto forms mode or a gazillion different ways to rip and remake
[JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
I have encountered the same problem with some PDF documents. The document is not empty. It was scanned as an image. Therefore, JAWS is unable to recognize it as text. I have yet to find a solution for this problem though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
If you look at the document in Windows Explorer with View/Details selected and it has a byte count of significantly more than 0 then you have the file in all probability. It is most likely a graphic, that is, a picture of text. What you are observing is that there is no text for NotePad or Adobe Reader to display. If you have Kurzweil or OpenBook or some other OCR programme you might be able to get them to open the document and scan it to recognize text. This is not usually all that satisfactory partly because the image may not be so clear or well scanned and the software can't discriminate the text in it all that well either. Sometimes you can print the file to a good printer then scan that into a programme like K1000 or OpenBook and get reasonable intelligence that way. You probably have the full document, just not in a form you can use. Frustrating isn't it. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty
Hi About the only thing a person might be able to do is print the document and scan it back in to the computer using OCR software. God bless, Mark -- Currently in Pendleton, Eastern Oregon Regional At Pendleton, Oregon Mostly Cloudy, 54.0°F Wind:ENE-060° at 7mph - Original Message - From: Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty I have encountered the same problem with some PDF documents. The document is not empty. It was scanned as an image. Therefore, JAWS is unable to recognize it as text. I have yet to find a solution for this problem though. - Original Message - From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:01 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Alert document is empty Hi folks, I recently received a PDF document and when I attempted to open it I received the following message: Alert document is empty. Undaunted by Jaws inability to recognize certain PDF formatting I proceeded to open it in note pad as a TXT file and received a blank screen with Jaws simply sounding top and bottom alert. Would it be safe to assume that because I receive no information using either file format that the document is in fact empty and I need to have the document resent? TNX Larry Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: http://www.jaws-users.com Visit the Blind Computing home page at: http://www.blind-computing.com Address for the list archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To post to this group, send email to jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject or body of a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use the following address in order to contact the management team [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
