Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
When the new ClassLoader code is checked in, I shall work on a proper JSP solution. Until then, everything is just a temporary hack. If you want JSP compilation to work, you have to tell JBoss where the tools.jar is. We can't ship it with JBoss because it is part of the JDK. Jules --- Peter Fagerlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi!, 1. Have you got a warning instructing you to put tools.jar on your JBOSS_CLASSPATH? Yes I cam se it now ... 2. May I see your Stacktraces. Yes if You need to ... 3. What arch are you running on. Linux 2.4.* I try with the tools.jar and let You know ... Chris a lubega need to do the same ! ... this would go away with the new CL ? ... /peter_f Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
We could, but: 1. some architectures (One of my first beta testers is on MacOS X) do not seem to have the jar at all - it seems to have been collapsed into the rest of the runtime. 2. Many people will be running JBoss on a JRE not a JDK, and precompiling their JSPs during development. I am willing to work on run.sh to automatically add tools.jar to the classpath, if you will do the run.bat. I think the warning should remain though, although I don't like it, because people on JREs may not realize why their JSPs will not compile. What do you think ? Jules --- Peter Fagerlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the new ClassLoader code is checked in, I shall work on a proper JSP solution. Until then, everything is just a temporary hack. If you want JSP compilation to work, you have to tell JBoss where the tools.jar is. We can't ship it with JBoss because it is part of the JDK. Yes but can We not programatically add that classpath at runtime ? since We already have set a path:JAVA_HOME on our machines ? ... /peter_f Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Please move the demo-app discussion on the online forum, I have created a forum just for it, it is called J2EE design pattern but please move this over there as it really doesn't belong on this forum thanks View: http://jboss.org/forums/thread.jsp?forum=66thread=4941 ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 15.44, Julian Gosnell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. some architectures (One of my first beta testers is on MacOS X) do not seem to have the jar at all - it seems to have been collapsed into the rest of the runtime. ahhh . a special for OSX ... hmmm . 2. Many people will be running JBoss on a JRE not a JDK, and precompiling their JSPs during development. Yes - We should have a ex. sample walk throught of precomp ... I think the warning should remain though, although I don't like it, because people on JREs may not realize why their JSPs will not compile. Yes - Education throught docu on jboss3 binary/src distros ... I am willing to work on run.sh to automatically add tools.jar to the classpath, if you will do the run.bat. oki - I try ... I hate bat's but I will try ! ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 16.22, Peter Fagerlund at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Many people will be running JBoss on a JRE not a JDK, and precompiling their JSPs during development. Could We not just say clearly : SDK required - else If running under JRE please copy tools.jar here ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 15.56, marc fleury at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please move the demo-app discussion on the online forum, Yes very good - We still need to find a structur -here now : Scenario : I dload JBoss3.0 binary - it comes with a demo folder of deployable examples In dload JBoss3.0 src in testsuite/demo We could have a JUnit of JBOSS_HOME/demo would that structure work ? ... also in my binary dload i would like to use the demos as templates for my own thinkering and then have build scripts for each one of the demos ... what does this mean in terms of SDK/JRE Ant etc ?, packaging, so i could just run, deploy-demo, rebuild-demo, redeploy-demo ... or will that only be possible with a SDK-src instalation ? ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
FreeBay ! Jules --- Hicks, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Yess, but i want to known wath are doing, So what does have an auction application need, hmm, 1) goods: some things that are for sel (query,details) 2) calendar: what is for sell when (with notification) 3) users: some kind of user management. and security constraints (guest,user,admin) 4) views: support for multiple views (cocoon,struts) 5) transaction: some kind of payment system (maybe a fake fish money system) RFC, Tbone FreeBay ! Jules --- Hicks, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development Nokia 5510 looks weird sounds great. Go to http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/nokia/ discover and win it! The competition ends 16 th of December 2001. ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development - This mail sent through Tiscalinet Webmail (http://webmail.tiscali.be) ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 19:28, marc fleury wrote: hey, where would you guys see the link for petstore, I am drawing a blank on where it would fit on the current website, maybe under downloads? documentation? (just to make sure people can see it running) under success stories... I dont know any ideas? Will it still need to be distributed as a patch or is there a problem distributing a modified JPS? I have modifications for Postgres DAO support if anyone else finds Postgres support useful. -- _ Ean Schuessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brainfood, Inc. http://www.brainfood.com ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
hi, On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 18:57, Ean Schuessler wrote: I have modifications for Postgres DAO support if anyone else finds Postgres support useful. +1 christian p.s.: nice e-mail address :) msg14140/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
From reading all the emails, I think the majority of people would benefit from several small applications that each deal with a specific feature of JBoss 3.0. Do yall ( im texan ) think it is feasible to design these small independant applications so that in the end, a wrapper application could be developed to show developers how to tie all these features together? I guess we need to define a few features that are really the topic of discussion on the user list and start developing. Any suggestions? James Hicks -Original Message- From: Hicks, James Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
I think you'd be trying to bite off too much too fast. An application that encompassed all of the extensive features of JBoss and J2EE would be very large and very complex. That's why I don't like the PetStore application. Many people look to it for development patterns with J2EE that don't fit their application very well. Others get frustrated because there's no CMP/BMP-hybrid EJB that joins 4 tables used by a stateful session EJB that's, in turn, called by a stateless session EJB to control transactional context. (Whew!) Anyway, you see what I mean, you'll be designing a bad application or poor examples. Design each example for its purpose and the rest will take care of itself. We'd get the work done quicker and with better quality. If, as it's coming along, we see parts that can make up a larger application, we can go from there. I think this is a great idea, though, James. I've long believed that the J2EE specification needed examples beyond the scope of a PetStore. Jesse -Original Message- From: Hicks, James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 3:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App From reading all the emails, I think the majority of people would benefit from several small applications that each deal with a specific feature of JBoss 3.0. Do yall ( im texan ) think it is feasible to design these small independant applications so that in the end, a wrapper application could be developed to show developers how to tie all these features together? I guess we need to define a few features that are really the topic of discussion on the user list and start developing. Any suggestions? James Hicks -Original Message- From: Hicks, James Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Hicks, James wrote: From reading all the emails, I think the majority of people would benefit from several small applications that each deal with a specific feature of JBoss 3.0. Do yall ( im texan ) think it is feasible to design these small independant applications so that in the end, a wrapper application could be developed to show developers how to tie all these features together? That would fairly rock. Depending on how fancy you want to be as an architectural example, it might not be too difficult to design the components that way. -danch ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Tilly, Jesse wrote: I think you'd be trying to bite off too much too fast. An application that encompassed all of the extensive features of JBoss and J2EE would be very large and very complex. That's why I don't like the PetStore application. Many people look to it for development patterns with J2EE that don't fit their application very well. Or are just bad ideas - see my earlier post on the user list. I think this is a great idea, though, James. I've long believed that the J2EE specification needed examples beyond the scope of a PetStore. Or the same thing implemented the way you really would in production. -danch ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Others get frustrated because there's no CMP/BMP-hybrid EJB that joins 4 tables used by a stateful session EJB that's, in turn, called by a stateless session EJB to control transactional context. (Whew!) Hopefully noone is calling sfsb from slsb :) But the point is still true. Al ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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Or are just bad ideas - see my earlier post on the user list. I agree there. Much of the petstore is poor quality coding also. Just take a look at all those querys in there. I dont even remember a preparedStatement one. Yet the queries happen over an over... a perfect place for PS over statement. Or the same thing implemented the way you really would in production. I think we can come up with some simple examples, that if we plan right can then be used in a larger application. Al ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Well, we need to move forward by listing several key features we want to start with. If somepeople will send a list of 3 to 5 features they want to see apps for, I will compile a list of what we will start with. James Hicks -Original Message- From: Hicks, James Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App From reading all the emails, I think the majority of people would benefit from several small applications that each deal with a specific feature of JBoss 3.0. Do yall ( im texan ) think it is feasible to design these small independant applications so that in the end, a wrapper application could be developed to show developers how to tie all these features together? I guess we need to define a few features that are really the topic of discussion on the user list and start developing. Any suggestions? James Hicks -Original Message- From: Hicks, James Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-05 22.44, Bill Burke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, and these examples should ship with the JBoss distribution. They should also be run with the nightly build so that we know whether or not they work. I think these examples are crucial now that the bulk of documentation will be for-pay. So do we : - create a demo folder ? ( jboss-all/demo, jboss-3.0.0alpha/demo ) ( have some deploy by default or from there be able to do manual deploy drops ) - and add a DemoUnitTestSuite ? I can think of two demos now : namely snoop.jsp and includeEJB.jsp that both are causing failiurs in the WebUnitTestSuite now ( well yesterday ;-) ) since they where not deployed ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 05.09, Peter Fagerlund at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can think of two demos now : namely snoop.jsp and includeEJB.jsp that both are causing failiurs in the WebUnitTestSuite now ( well yesterday ;-) ) since they where not deployed ... ahhh... my mistake WebUnitTestSuite are actually trying to deploy those two .jsp's but invocation fails due to the javac prob ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 07.01, Allen Fogleson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do we : - create a demo folder ? ( jboss-all/demo, jboss-3.0.0alpha/demo ) ( have some deploy by default or from there be able to do manual deploy drops ) That makes sense. actually I think they should all deploy on install. Anyone who wants to place something in the / context could just undeploy the demoapp.ear or whatever we call it. I would prefere separate war, sar, ear's to deploy - for simplicity in thinkering templated ... also a build script for each ? ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1-12-05 22.44, Bill Burke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do we : - create a demo folder ? ( jboss-all/demo, jboss-3.0.0alpha/demo ) ( have some deploy by default or from there be able to do manual deploy drops ) That makes sense. actually I think they should all deploy on install. Anyone who wants to place something in the / context could just undeploy the demoapp.ear or whatever we call it. - and add a DemoUnitTestSuite ? That makes sense too. So in my mind what is needed is: 1) some entity beans with CMR 2) MDB 3) MBean ??? Maybe... since there are so many in the system now does this even make sense? 4) JMX 5) A couple simple web apps (or one really) that just uses all this stuff. Which means some session beans, JSP's... yadda yadda. 6) ??? Since Jboss3 uses jetty 4 which is servlet 2.3 Compliant should we do any demos of servlet stuff like filters? By the way it (J4) works with the jakarta JSPTL. which is pretty cool. Im busy as heck this week finishing up an article for JavaWorld (coincidentally I am using Jboss 3 for my examples in the article (CMP 2 beans)) But I could potentially work on this by Friday. We should probably iron out just what we need. (above and beyond 1-5 above) I honestly dont see much sense in including things like javamail or such. Marc has anyone started working on dukes bank on Jboss 3? We could potentially deploy that also (in addition to the petstore) no? I can fit some work on that in this weekend if noone else is already looking at it. I can think of two demos now : namely snoop.jsp and includeEJB.jsp that both Yeap, those were the only errors in the jetty tests though on a positive note :) Al ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
on 1-12-06 07.01, Allen Fogleson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has anyone started working on dukes bank on Jboss 3? U mean the BanUnitTest ? ... It usually works just fine ... so how would We double some of the tests as demos ? or just use the Tests as the demos ? ... how can we combine ? that is -in a simple to understand and build / deploy phase for the demos ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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No dukes bank is the Sun J2EE demo for EJB2. Somewhere around here I have a copy of it. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1-12-06 07.01, Allen Fogleson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: has anyone started working on dukes bank on Jboss 3? U mean the BanUnitTest ? ... It usually works just fine ... so how would We double some of the tests as demos ? or just use the Tests as the demos ? ... how can we combine ? that is -in a simple to understand and build / deploy phase for the demos ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
We could do both. For new users I think it makes sense to have all of them available from one demoapp.ear really this is just a wrapper around the stuff. using my items you might have an index.html which contains each line item like so... 1) go to EJB cmp2 relations tutorial. This would have a quick start on CMP2 CMR and a link to the demo JSP/EJBS for it. and so on. for the other stuff we might have separate sars, and such. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1-12-06 07.01, Allen Fogleson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So do we : - create a demo folder ? ( jboss-all/demo, jboss-3.0.0alpha/demo ) ( have some deploy by default or from there be able to do manual deploy drops ) That makes sense. actually I think they should all deploy on install. Anyone who wants to place something in the / context could just undeploy the demoapp.ear or whatever we call it. I would prefere separate war, sar, ear's to deploy - for simplicity in thinkering templated ... also a build script for each ? ... /peter_f ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats examples webapp) . My thinking here is twofold. 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps fit in with the free docs part. 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic level) Jboss 3. I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some renumeration. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
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User developers. There are plenty of those around who just want a quickstart. Which about a week ago was what everyone was talking about I think. (the days blend together, it could have been 2 days ago, or yesterday even anymore) Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this meant for JBoss developers (those that contribute to JBoss) or for User developers (those that use JBoss to run there J2EE/JMX applications)? --jason On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Allen Fogleson wrote: The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats examples webapp) . My thinking here is twofold. 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps fit in with the free docs part. 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic level) Jboss 3. I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some renumeration. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Is this meant for JBoss developers (those that contribute to JBoss) or for User developers (those that use JBoss to run there J2EE/JMX applications)? --jason On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Allen Fogleson wrote: The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats examples webapp) . My thinking here is twofold. 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps fit in with the free docs part. 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic level) Jboss 3. I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some renumeration. Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a conclusion for a demo app. Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding application? James Hicks ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
hey, where would you guys see the link for petstore, I am drawing a blank on where it would fit on the current website, maybe under downloads? documentation? (just to make sure people can see it running) under success stories... I dont know any ideas? marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:03 PM |To: Allen Fogleson |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App | | |Is this meant for JBoss developers (those that contribute to JBoss) or for |User developers (those that use JBoss to run there J2EE/JMX applications)? | |--jason | | |On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Allen Fogleson wrote: | | The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers | how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those | asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on | Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a | full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better | spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats | examples webapp) . | | My thinking here is twofold. | | 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running | quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in | more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps | fit in with the free docs part. | | 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a | limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past | week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and | such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One | in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic | (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) | Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) | | Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I | think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind | of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along | the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic | level) Jboss 3. | | I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I | like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, | when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some |renumeration. | | Al | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a |conclusion for a demo | app. | | Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding | application? | | James Hicks | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
How about from the home page, under resources place a Jboss-Petstore link? Im sort of at a loss myself in this case. It doesnt fit in on the binary page really... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey, where would you guys see the link for petstore, I am drawing a blank on where it would fit on the current website, maybe under downloads? documentation? (just to make sure people can see it running) under success stories... I dont know any ideas? marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:03 PM |To: Allen Fogleson |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App | | |Is this meant for JBoss developers (those that contribute to JBoss) or for |User developers (those that use JBoss to run there J2EE/JMX applications)? | |--jason | | |On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Allen Fogleson wrote: | | The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers | how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those | asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on | Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a | full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better | spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats | examples webapp) . | | My thinking here is twofold. | | 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running | quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in | more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps | fit in with the free docs part. | | 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a | limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past | week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and | such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One | in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic | (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) | Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) | | Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I | think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind | of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along | the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic | level) Jboss 3. | | I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I | like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, | when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some |renumeration. | | Al | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a |conclusion for a demo | app. | | Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding | application? | | James Hicks | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
RE: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App
Perhaps a new sub-section on the users site for Demos. --jason On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, marc fleury wrote: hey, where would you guys see the link for petstore, I am drawing a blank on where it would fit on the current website, maybe under downloads? documentation? (just to make sure people can see it running) under success stories... I dont know any ideas? marcf |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason |Dillon |Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 8:03 PM |To: Allen Fogleson |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] JBoss 3.0 Demo App | | |Is this meant for JBoss developers (those that contribute to JBoss) or for |User developers (those that use JBoss to run there J2EE/JMX applications)? | |--jason | | |On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Allen Fogleson wrote: | | The problem here is that the quickstart is meant to show developers | how to get started fast. I believe this was the first concern of those | asking for the demo apps. There is already the petstore app running on | Jboss to show full E-Commerce style abilities. Im not against donating a | full app mind you, I just think that the work behind it could be better | spent developing several smaller apps (in the spirit of tomcats | examples webapp) . | | My thinking here is twofold. | | 1) the purpose of a quickstart is to get developers up and running | quickly. A full blown application wont really do this. Plus it fits in | more to the model of the inexpensive documentation. Where the small apps | fit in with the free docs part. | | 2) A full app would only assist some places in selling Jboss to a | limited audience. I had meetings with 2 prospective clients in the past | week and both have asked ME about Jboss. Granted it is on my resume and | such as a technology I have used, but these people knew what it was. One | in fact wondered why they didnt use jboss instead of weblogic | (Especially after I told him about the features that will be in 3.0) | Sorry BEA, you guys might lose that one :) | | Im not against helping out on a full application as I said before, but I | think the initial thrust should be in the direction of a quickstart kind | of thing. These are not really intensely documented apps, but more along | the lines of little examples that show how to use (at least at a basic | level) Jboss 3. | | I actually like the model Marc is using now. It makes sense to me. I | like the idea that even though I am willing to submit stuff for free, | when it comes to the more advanced stuff there might be some |renumeration. | | Al | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I've been doing a few hours of thinking and came to a |conclusion for a demo | app. | | Would anyone like to assist me in creating an E-Bay style bidding | application? | | James Hicks | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | | | ___ | Jboss-development mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development | | | |___ |Jboss-development mailing list |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development ___ Jboss-development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
