date:20150809

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and 
Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate 
gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be 
unavoidable.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I 
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that 
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like 
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in 
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning 
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
-- 
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Joseph Lee via Jfw

Hi,
Yes, you'll hear a sound when they appear.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Onwardbob via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:48 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Onwardbob onward...@roadrunner.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph, I haven't gone for W-10 yet. Is there an audio clue when one of
those notifications pops up?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:25 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Lmao! That was a good one!

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi Brad,

 Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10,  ask Cortana how you 
 would benefit from the upgrade!  LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL Take
care.
 Mike
 This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Jim Portillo
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine.  I upgraded another 
 one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine.  I totally 
 understand, Brad!

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Brad Martin
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I 
 wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user 
 account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
 Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can 
 play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good 
 Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that.
LOL.

 Brad

 On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
 Brad,

 One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have 
 not
 yet
 tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, 
 have separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this 
 feature is intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't 
 know, however,
 if
 it is accessible.

 Michal

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, 
 and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing
 that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
 should
 use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in 
 Windows
 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like 
 to
 know
 if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
 system
 that
 I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is 
 that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that

RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed by C
and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks.

Les

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra, 
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current view
group box, with a list of options, 
Cheers Kevin. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,

 

Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
view menu, nothing happens. It just says blank. I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says blank.

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Barbara

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

My good computer guy is coming over today to import my address, and I will
try to ask him about that extra desktop. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have not yet
tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, have
separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this feature is
intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't know, however, if
it is accessible.

Michal

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
Brad Martin
b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page where
I post online shopping coupons and deals: 
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Joseph Lee via Jfw

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Lmao! That was a good one!

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi Brad,

 Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10,  ask Cortana how you 
 would benefit from the upgrade!  LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL Take
care.
 Mike
 This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Jim Portillo
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


 Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine.  I upgraded another 
 one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine.  I totally 
 understand, Brad!


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Brad Martin
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I 
 wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user 
 account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc. 
 Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can 
 play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good 
 Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that.
LOL.

 Brad

 On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
 Brad,

 One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have 
 not
 yet
 tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, 
 have separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this 
 feature is intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't 
 know, however,
 if
 it is accessible.

 Michal

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, 
 and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing
 that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
 should
 use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in 
 Windows
 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like 
 to
 know
 if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
 system
 that
 I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is 
 that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
 should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, 
 If it ain't broke,
 don't
 fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users 
 in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if 
 it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if 
 it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in 
 mall?
 --
 Brad Martin
 b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page
 where
 I post online shopping coupons and deals:
 facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons
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RE: Installation of Windows 10

Thank you Joseph for all of your input, much appreciated. 
Cheers Kevin. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 7:16 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
And when you type something, does JAWS read results automatically? I and
other WinTen users observed it doesn't.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:09 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

When I bring up the start menu, JAWS says, Search Box.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 5:29 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
I was able to reproduce this on my brief testing with JAWS, so this isn't
unique to your system. I hope FS knows how to use UIA to resolve this...
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 3:19 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Pablo Morales
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

I have the same problem, I repaired jaws several times, but I can't read the
start menu, some times jaws says cortana, other timesjaws says start, but
anything else jaws is able to read. I know that my computer is a little bit
old, it has quad core,  that I bought in 2008. Originally this computer came
with windows vista, and I bought windows 7, and now I am trying to with
windows 10. Looks like this computer is working fine,  some times works a
little bit slow, but with jaws I can't read anything in the start menu, no
matter if I repair jaws.
My question is, it could be a hardware problem due to the age of this
computer?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 4:36 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi,
Yes, and there are other issues that should be fixed soon, some of which are
issues with somewhat fundamental Windows 10 features, which makes me wonder
if FS came out with a half-baked solution last month (I hope FS is doing
something these days to fix them and to support Edge).
Cheers,
Joseph
 - Original Message -
From: Nermin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com Date sent:
Sat, 8 Aug 2015 22:02:15 +0200
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

Hi all,

I upgraded my Win 8.1 to 10, but JAWS refuses to announce the start menu.
It will sometimes say Cortana, but other than that it stays pretty silent.
I've already uninstalled JAWS completely, restarted and reinstalled JAWS,
but the problem still persists.

Anyone ran into that on their path to Windows 10?
I am using a netbook with Win 10 32 bit on it, a Medion 98700.

Regards,
Nermin

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RE: Installation of Windows 10

Hi Maria,

You can find the tool, as well as other Windows 10 update info on the following 
FS page...

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Windows10Upgrade

HTH

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell 
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:05 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Maria Campbell luc...@ct.metrocast.net
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

That's very interesting.  Where does one find this tool?


On 8/9/2015 10:42 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
 FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all 
 versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
 via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
 Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

 Yes.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted 
 (CHFS DMS) via Jfw
 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
 Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

 Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should 
 cleanly and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

 Ted

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
 via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Michal Nowicki
 Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

 Mark and Joe,

 How did you know when to start Narrator?  Did you launch it before starting 
 the update?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness 
 via Jfw
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

 I did it all by myself.
 I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people 
 on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
 I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus 
 found it frustrating.

 In short you can do it by yourself.

 Mark
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this 
 topic.  However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed 
 or upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
 Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both?  I'm ready to install this but 
 don't know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make 
 sure I can do this with one or two screen readers.
 Any tips will be helpful.
 I've got my machine set and ready to go.
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I upgraded to Windows 10, and I don't plan to roll back to 8.1 because for
the most part, it works well for me.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:35 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: j Bron jb...@optonline.net
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

When I first read about windows 10 being a free download for a time it was
exciting.  Right now I think I'll stick with windows 7 until all the kinks
are worked out.  Judith

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 2:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What's worse, if you have Windows 10 Home, you won't be able to delay the
updates until JAWS figures out what to do with them. Ready or not, here
they come. Windows 10 Pro users will be able to delay updates to a point,
unspecified is how long you'll be able to delay them. I just read that
tonight. Fun fun fun.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
 Joseph,

 I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the bad part you refer to is that from time
to time, a refinement may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph 
 Lee via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Joseph Lee
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,
 There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements 
 will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
 Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps 
 together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple 
 desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By 
 default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops 
 opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop 
 (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This 
 isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two 
 user accounts and switch between them for various purposes).
 Cheers,
 Joseph

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian 
 Spratt via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers 
 to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time?
 I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) 
 and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear 
 within
the year.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Bill White
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
 Windows10 won't be free anymore.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, 
 and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail 
 program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm 
 doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF
documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like 
 to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new 
 operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only 
 benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January 
 of 2020, where Windows
 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should 
 cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it 
 ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to 
 know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial

question

2015-08-09 Thread j Bron via Jfw

How do I have an automatic response posted on my email saying to the effect
of, I am out of my office until.  John jones.  Thanks! 

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RE: removing jaws license

I'm glad this worked for you! :)

Cheers,

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:51 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Pablo Morales pablocmd2...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: removing jaws license

I just did a roll back from windows 10 to windows 7. I am happy again, I
didn't lose any program, file or any document.
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: removing jaws license

Hi,

I think you have 30 days from the date you updated to Windows 10 to roll
back to your previous operating system. I'm not sure if Jaws will still be
there when you roll back though. If it's not, FS gives you 3 activations of
Jaws, so, it depends on how many of those you have used. If you don't have
any activations left, you just need to contact FS and they will re-set your
count back to 3. If you are interested in rolling back to Windows 7, here
are the instructions...

How to downgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1

Introduction

So Windows 10 is finally here. You've taken your free upgrade, poked around
with the new flat design, Microsoft Edge, Cortana, and the whole shebang -
yet something isn't sitting right.

Whether you've run into issues with hardware, incompatible work apps, or
just plain don't like the direction Microsoft went with Windows 10, you may
want to consider rolling back to Windows 8.1 or 7. Thankfully, what may have
been a bit of a pain in the past is now a fairly simple process.

Because breaking up with Cortana can be hard to do, we've put together this
quick guide to help you make it through the emotional turmoil.

Some things to consider

There are a couple of things you should know before starting the rollback
process. The first is that you only have a month to decide whether you want
to stick with Microsoft's latest or ditch it for more familiar digs. Once
that month is up, you'll have to resort to recovery media that either came
with your computer or that you created yourself.

It's also unclear right now if users coming from Windows XP will be able to
roll back. So far, Microsoft has been quiet on that front, only mentioning
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1 as options.

Before you start

Now, with the fine print out of the way, you'll want to ensure your data is
safe and perform a quick check to make sure you can roll back. First, as
with any major system-wide change, we'd recommend backing up your important
files and pictures. Cloud storage offerings, like Dropbox and OneDrive, are
your friends here. However, if you have any sensitive files to back up, we'd
recommend doing so locally on an external hard drive.

And because you're rolling back to a previous install, this process will
obviously only work if you upgraded directly from Windows 7, 8, or 8.1. One
thing you'll want to look for is a folder called Windows.old in your C
directory. This contains the necessary files from your old Windows install,
and the rollback won't work without it.

It's go time

After you've backed up your important files and checked that you can indeed
roll back, the process is incredibly simple. To get started, click the start
menu and navigate to the settings app. Once it's open, you'll click through
to the section called Update  Security.

You'll be taken to the Windows Update page by default, but that isn't what
we're concerned with. In the left pane, there will be an option called
recovery, and that's where we'll be doing our work. You should now see
several recovery options, but the one that you'll want to go with is called
Go back to a previous version of Windows. Simply click the button to get
started, and Windows will do its thing.

A few odds and ends

Before Windows dives into the process of rolling everything back, you'll be
prompted to provide the reason you are rolling back. Consider doing
Microsoft a solid and leaving some feedback here. And don't worry: you won't
hurt their feelings.

You'll then go through a couple of screens telling you to keep your PC
plugged in and which files will be preserved in the transition. As a note,
you might need your old password when this is finished, so be sure to
consult your password stash for that.

After you click through the screens, Windows will ask you one last time if
you want to roll back. After clicking through, Windows will restart and
begin the process. This may take a while depending on a number of things, so
you may want to read a book or play some Angry Birds while you wait Welcome
back!

And with that, you should find yourself back to Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 once
Windows finishes doing its thing. There's a chance that you could be missing
some important files, but as long as you heeded our advice and backed things
up, it

RE: Installation of Windows 10

FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all 
versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS 
DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly 
and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator?  Did you launch it before starting the 
update?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via 
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people 
on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus 
found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com 
 wrote:

 Hi,

 I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic. 
  However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or 
 upgraded to Windows 10 independently.
 Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both?  I'm ready to install this but don't 
 know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I 
 can do this with one or two screen readers.
 Any tips will be helpful.
 I've got my machine set and ready to go.
 Jim

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Brad:

Your question here is an excellent one, and, I agree.  I also have to
believe that many others have this question in mind as well.

I will read the responses of others with interest.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

FS says that only the current release of JAWS 16 works with Windows 10. MS is 
making Win10 upgrades free for a year. It's a pity that FS doesn't have the 
resources to make a similar offer for a Win10-compatible version of JAWS.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of stintonjoe--- via 
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:41 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: stinton...@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

well I haven't upgraded myself and the main reason for that is my version 
with jaws came out when windows 7 came out  and I don't even know if it will 
even work with newer versions of windows, although I haven't looked in to 
it!! and I am in no position to pay for a upgrade yet.
so any way i will stick wiht windows 7 and jaws 12.0 for now. and will look 
in to upgrading when I am forced to do so, and at this moment I am not even 
sure  I will stay with windos any way.

well just my thoughts for what iss worth cheers Joe

cheers Joe

-Original Message- 
From: Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 4:09 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kimsan
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Sounds to me, as if it is personal preference and we have some on one side
of the tracks who likes to have the latest updates, other reasons could be
the OS will only be supported for a certain period of time, which we have
like 5 years for windows 7.

I'm not speaking for others, so nobody attack me, I just upgraded to see
what the big woop was.
Personally, you made some good points.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 7:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi, Adrian. I wasn't saying that Windows10 would be free until 2020. I was 
saying that, because it is free now, that is why some people are jumping on 
the band wagon. On the other hand, if people wait until 2020, when Windows7 
is no longer supported, they will have to pay for Windows10.

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to 
the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm 
waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's 
first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White 
via Jfw

Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
you

should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that
Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
see
is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
Windows

7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause
me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't
broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if 
JAWS

users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it
will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in 
mall?

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010


Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V,
be related to whether the Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your 
Default Configuration Menu?


This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under 
Miscellaneous is unchecked.

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010



Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed by 
C

and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks.

Les

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
Hourigan

via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current 
view

group box, with a list of options,
Cheers Kevin.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
Hansen

via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, 
alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on 
the

view menu, nothing happens. It just says blank. I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Daniel McBride via Jfw

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message -
From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and 
 I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
 you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that 
 now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
 know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
 system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
 see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
 Windows
 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should 
 cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it 
 ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to 
 know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in 
 the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning 
 computer to see if it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
 --
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 b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page 
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Dave Carlson via Jfw

Daniel,

That's nice for the deer. Is there a deeper meaning to the obvious?

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

- Original Message - 
From: Daniel McBride via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Daniel McBride dlm...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 07:04 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
 I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
 you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
 now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
 know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
 system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
 see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
 Windows
 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
 cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it
 ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to
 know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
 the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
 computer to see if it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
 --
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 b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Mario via Jfw

can the time to display of toast notifications be adjusted like in 
windows 7?



On 8/9/2015 10:25 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

Lmao! That was a good one!

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10,  ask Cortana how you
would benefit from the upgrade!  LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL Take

care.

Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Jim Portillo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine.  I upgraded another
one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine.  I totally
understand, Brad!


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that.

LOL.


Brad

On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:

Brad,

One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have
not

yet

tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
have separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this
feature is intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't
know, however,

if

it is accessible.

Michal

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
Martin via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm

doing

that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you

should

use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to

know

if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system

that

I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
If it ain't broke,

don't

fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users
in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if
it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if
it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in
mall?
--
Brad Martin
b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org My Facebook page

where

I post online shopping coupons and deals:
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Adrian,

I think it's more the age of the computer being updated than whether it's
Windows 7 or 8.1... I have an old Lenovo laptop... 10 years old, and I don't
think I'd like to update it to Windows 10... I had Windows 7 on it and
updated it to Windows 8.1 and was sorry because it ran so slow with Windows
8.1. 

If you have a relatively new laptop or desktop running Windows 7 I wouldn't
hesitate updating to Windows 10, if you're so inclined.

Cheers,

Russell
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I 
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that 
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like 
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in 
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning 
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
-- 
Brad Martin
b...@formyfriends.org mailto:b...@formyfriends.org
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facebook.com/ucoupons http://www.facebook.com/ucoupons
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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

I have the same problem with the Alt-V, C, V. 

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:07 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed by C
and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws speaks.

Les

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current view
group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin. 

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via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,

Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
view menu, nothing happens. It just says blank. I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says blank.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Barbara

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I wish that had been the case. I bought a Lenovo on sale. It has 12 gb RQAM
and 1 tb memory. My husband calls it a Hummer. I said on Facebook that it
set me back but was not a set back. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Dave Carlson dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Carolyn,

Do I understand that you can still receive a free copy of Windows 10 for an
XP installation? I thought it was only available to Windows 7 and Windows 8
installations.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I came from XP, and wow, am I glad that I did. I never had 7, so I can't
speak for that. I've just been working on mine for about 24 hours, and I do
like it!

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Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Yup, and that's exactly how Microsoft gets you in the end!

Don't you just love it?

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and 
 I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
 you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that 
 now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
 know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
 system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
 see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
 Windows
 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should 
 cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it 
 ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to 
 know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in 
 the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning 
 computer to see if it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I agree Maria. :)

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:24 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Maria Campbell luc...@ct.metrocast.net
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the 
introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser.  There's no getting around 
that, no matter if and when one upgrades.  And these two new features 
will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one 
deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the 
longer one waits.
That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:
 Russell,

 To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi Brad,

 I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running
Windows
 8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
 updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When
I
 press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows
7.
 If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which
is
 really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she
isn't
 able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
 search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
 the only choice.

 I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

 I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
 and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because
we
 use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if
my
 laptop wasn't fairly new.

 I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
 troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive
technology,
 so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

 For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
 starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

 Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

 Russell
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
 via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
 just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
 you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
 now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
 know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
 system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
 see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
 should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
 If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like
 to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
 the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
 computer to see if it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Joseph Lee via Jfw

Hi,
Yes - go to Settings (Windows+I)/Ease of Access/Other Options, then go to
Show Notifications For combo box. You can select between 5 seconds to 5
minutes (I may need to send a feedback regarding this control, as there is a
delay when changing them).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. Looks like I'm serving as Windows 10 Answer Man here...

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:57 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Mario mrb...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

can the time to display of toast notifications be adjusted like in windows
7?


On 8/9/2015 10:25 AM, Joseph Lee via Jfw wrote:
 Hi,
 Hmmm, how can I explain this...
 A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act
as
 such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
 actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
 ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
 them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
 Hope this helps.
 Cheers,
 Joseph

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via
Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
 that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I
must
 dismiss?

 On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Lmao! That was a good one!

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 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi Brad,

 Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10,  ask Cortana how you
 would benefit from the upgrade!  LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL Take
 care.
 Mike
 This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Jim Portillo
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


 Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine.  I upgraded another
 one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine.  I totally
 understand, Brad!


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Brad Martin
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I
 wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user
 account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
 Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can
 play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good
 Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for
that.
 LOL.

 Brad

 On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
 Brad,

 One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have
 not
 yet
 tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance,
 have separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this
 feature is intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't
 know, however,
 if
 it is accessible.

 Michal

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
 and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing
 that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
 should
 use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in
 Windows
 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
 to
 know
 if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
 system
 that
 I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is
 that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
 should cause me to want

RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was
my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service
release this month).
As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm
slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised
some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as
Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before
the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases,
Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking
sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading,
Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed
for some screen reader users).
As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed
users until July 2016. Many would say, take advantage of Windows 10 now.
However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while
(especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade
until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't
support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix
this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor
virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not
announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may
need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not
tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)).
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak.
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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the bad part you refer to is that from time
to time, a refinement may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will
be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together
into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps
for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install
Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle
among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to
change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user
accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for
various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows

RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon? 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual
Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed 
 by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws 
 speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and 
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current 
 view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,

 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Maria Campbell via Jfw

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the 
introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser.  There's no getting around 
that, no matter if and when one upgrades.  And these two new features 
will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one 
deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the 
longer one waits.

That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and 
Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate 
gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be 
unavoidable.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?



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Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

 

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

 

Michal

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FW: repairing jaws

2015-08-09 Thread O.Addison Gethers via Jfw

-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: FW: repairing jaws

-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hello there,
I need to know how to repaired Jaws 16 ? I never know how to repaired jaws
and download from fs website but I have jaws 16 disc !! One of FS support
was trying to do it for me but when she try to jaws tandem she couldn't stay
connect because jaws crashed so she told me that I need to repaired jaws and
download from FS website ! Here what she say in e-mail below !!
Hi,

Here is what I was trying to say on the phone. It seems to me that your jaws
needs to be repaired. when I tried to do tandem while we were on the phone,
jaws stopped speaking and then the tandem crashed, and I could not stay
connected to your computer. it would be helpful if there was a sighted
person on hand to help do the repair since I cannot stay connected to your
computer through tandem. In order to repair jaws, we need to download jaws
from the freedom scientific web site, and then run a repair. 

Is it hard for me to repaired jaws without sighter help and I'm hard of
hearing ?
Addison 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I typed from the run dialog, jaws16 /type repair and only heard Jaws
Professional.  Can you provide the syntax again?  Thanks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mike and Jenna
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I am not sure if this  has been responded to or not but if you go to the run
box brous to ware you have your jaws.exe then hitand hit space and at the
end do /type repair and that will work as well.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Mark, I think if you run the jfw.exe file, you will eventually be given an
option to perform a repair of Jaws.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 6:52 AM
To: Jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Mark Furness
Subject: repairing jaws

Every time I start my computer, jaws keeps on saying there is 2 things that
are not installed correctly. I have tried a reboot as it suggested. But,
that did not fix the problem. It also suggested to do a repair. All I haave
is the downloaded filees. How then do I do a repair?

Thank you for getting me out of this mess!!!

Mark
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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra, 
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current view
group box, with a list of options, 
Cheers Kevin. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Hansen
via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,

 

Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion to
change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The suggestion, alt-V,
c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the ribbons menu and enter on the
view menu, nothing happens. It just says blank. I also tried arrowing
and tabbing and still says blank.

 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 

Barbara

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Onwardbob via Jfw

Joseph, I haven't gone for W-10 yet. Is there an audio clue when one of
those notifications pops up?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 7:25 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Hmmm, how can I explain this...
A toast notification is like a help balloon except it doesn't really act as
such. Once this appears, it'll go away after a few seconds, and you can
actually interact with it by pressing Windows+V while it is shown. You can
ignore them, and if you do, they'll live in Action Center until you clear
them all (pressing Windows+A will open Action Center).
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Aidan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 2:22 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Aidan aidan.smartt...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

So josef, if they don't have help balloons anymore but windows, then does
that mean that I will get a pop up window when something happens wich I must
dismiss?

On 09/08/2015, Kimsan via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:
 Lmao! That was a good one!

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 8:57 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Michael B. mb69ma...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi Brad,

 Well, I suppose you could upgrade to Windows10,  ask Cortana how you 
 would benefit from the upgrade!  LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL Take
care.
 Mike
 This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

 - Original Message -
 From: Jim Portillo via Jfw
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Jim Portillo
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:45 PM
 Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


 Oh, I still have my good working Windows machine.  I upgraded another 
 one I used when I had to fix my normal working machine.  I totally 
 understand, Brad!


 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:58 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
 Cc: Brad Martin
 Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Thanks for that. I'm not sure I see the usefulness in that. If I 
 wanted to have separate somethings, I'd just create a second user 
 account so I could have separate documents folders, downloads, etc.
 Still not convinced I need this. I may buy a cheap refurb so I can 
 play with Windows 10 when I get bored, but as far as working my good 
 Windows 7 machine over as an experiment? Ain't nobody got time for that.
LOL.

 Brad

 On 8/8/2015 9:46 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:
 Brad,

 One other feature Windows 10 introduces is virtual desktops.  I have 
 not
 yet
 tried it out, but if I understand correctly, you could, for instance, 
 have separate desktops for work and personal data.  I guess this 
 feature is intended to help users become and stay organized.  I don't 
 know, however,
 if
 it is accessible.

 Michal

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad 
 Martin via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, 
 and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing
 that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you
 should
 use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in 
 Windows
 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like 
 to
 know
 if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
 system
 that
 I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is 
 that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
 should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, 
 If it ain't broke,
 don't
 fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users 
 in particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if 
 it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if 
 it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana

RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I came from XP, and wow, am I glad that I did. I never had 7, so I can't
speak for that. I've just been working on mine for about 24 hours, and I do
like it! 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Russell,

I think you're right on several counts. Whether to update or not is a 
personal decision. My question was more a fact finding mission to 
understand what I'd be getting if I updated. I'm the same way before I 
buy anything--I want to know what it's going to do--either for me or to 
me--when I get it. I also think that if I were running Windows 8.1, I'd 
be more likely to update just to get back some of the Windows 7 feel and 
functionality I lost with Windows 8.1. But since I have Windows 7 
already, I think I'll just wait until I hear something compelling about 
10, or until July 29, 2016 when the upgrade ceases to be free.


Brad

On 8/9/2015 9:20 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?


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Re: stubborn remnances

Hi, Brad. Often, if you go to the Add/Remove and try to uninstall the dead 
entry, it will tell you that the program is not currently installed, and it 
will offer to remove it from the Add/Remove list.

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: stubborn remnances

It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove 
Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) 
folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just 
dead entries in the Programs  Features Control Panel? If they're just 
dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:
after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I 
checked the programs and features applett and found:

Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/ 2015 
10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/ 2012 
15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013 
35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013 
12.6.305.0

opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which 
also happens with the 14 talking installer:

The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK

The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel

The installation source for this product is not
available.  Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, 
so left those alone.

how to cleanly remove both talking installers?

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RE: stubborn remnances

If I were you, I'd send this query to FS Support.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: stubborn remnances

after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I 
checked the programs and features applett and found:

Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/ 2015 
10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/ 
2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 
2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013 
12.6.305.0

opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which 
also happens with the 14 talking installer:

The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK

The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel

The installation source for this product is not
available.  Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, 
so left those alone.

how to cleanly remove both talking installers?

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Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem

2015-08-09 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw

Hi,

Running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and latest JAWS 16.

When I go in to Windows Explorer and look at folders and files, it seems to 
hang on me.

I get the following message after receiving a dialog to Wait for program to 
resume or Exit the program. What does this mean, and what should I do next? 
Thanks.


explorer.exe
explorer.exe dialog
explorer.exe
The remote procedure call failed and did not execute.
OK



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RE: stubborn remnances

Probably failure on the part of the FS utility to remove program entries
after uninstalling the old software.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:53 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Mario mrb...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: stubborn remnances

I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay.
I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm...

On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
 It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove 
 Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) 
 folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those 
 just dead entries in the Programs  Features Control Panel? If they're 
 just dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt
anything.

 Brad

 On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:
 after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I 
 checked the programs and features applett and found:

 Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/
 2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004
 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/
 2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/
 2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
 Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013
 12.6.305.0

 opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following 
 which also happens with the 14 talking installer:

 The feature you are trying to use is on a network resource that is 
 unavailable.

 Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a folder 
 containing the installation package 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box 
 below.
 C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
 OK

 The path
 'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
 cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
 location and try again, or try to find the installation package 
 'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install the product 
 Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
 Cancel

 The installation source for this product is not available.  Verify 
 that the source exists and that you can access it.

 I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed 
 components, so left those alone.

 how to cleanly remove both talking installers?

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Of Barbara 
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010


To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open 
Miscellaneous.


Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this 
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.


To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter 
D as in dog.


Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down 
Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to 
be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If 
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press 
Enter to save these settings.


I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message - 
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010



Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White 
via

Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the 
Virtual

Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010



Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed
by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws
speaks.

Les

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current
view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just
says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Clarification of my question, and thank yous

Hi all,

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that anyone shouldn't upgrade to
Windows 10, or that I never would. I'm sure I will eventually--quite
possibly next year if it works well enough. The intent of my question
was that with all of the new features that are available but which we
can't use yet, I wasn't clear what I would gain by going through that
process today, right now, this week. I have a desktop that's not quite
two years old, but I've got lots of horsepower in it; it won't have any
trouble meeting the Windows 10 requirements. Then I have a cheap laptop
which is not quite a year and a half old, and it's pretty basic, but
should also function fine with Windows 10. Both are running Windows 7.
Both are doing very well for me. Nothing's slow. Everything I need for
home and work just works. It's really a blessing. So the goal of my
inquiry was to understand what great improvements I should expect from
upgrading to Windows 10 right now. To this point, I haven't heard
anything that's made me want to drop what I'm working on to upgrade my
perfectly functioning machines before I go to bed tonight. It does sound
like Windows 8.1 users may be very grateful to get back the Windows 7
functionality that Microsoft should never have taken away in the first
place, and I think if I had 8.1, I'd be thinking more seriously about
diving into the Windows 10 pool.

On a completely separate note, I thought an interesting item is the fact
that for a limited time, people who upgrade to Windows 10 will get a DVD
player for free to replace their current Windows Media Center; but later
adopters will have to pay separately for Microsoft's DVD player de jour.
This would be compelling if I hadn't abandoned Windows Media Player
years ago for the free VLC Media Player.

Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion. It has been
most helpful. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Brad
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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

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Re: Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem

2015-08-09 Thread Michael B. via Jfw

Hi Keith,

Try the following:

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.
Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the
following:
show preview handlers in preview payne.
This problem does not occur on every Win7 machine, but it has been found 
that
unchecking this option  has corrected the problem on several systems.
This crops up on some 32 and 64-bit systems.
HTH,

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem


Hi,

Running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and latest JAWS 16.

When I go in to Windows Explorer and look at folders and files, it seems to 
hang on me.

I get the following message after receiving a dialog to Wait for program to 
resume or Exit the program. What does this mean, and what should I do next? 
Thanks.


explorer.exe
explorer.exe dialog
explorer.exe
The remote procedure call failed and did not execute.
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RE: repairing jaws

2015-08-09 Thread Nicki keck via Jfw

I am not the one who tried to connect to his computer, but I did get him
afterward.  Whenever he calls in, we groan because honestly, the man cannot
hear what you say to him.  If you connect to him via tandem, the way you
have to give him the code is he will say,
1, 2, 3 and you stop him at the right number/letter.  H knows how many
letters and numbers, but still.  

When I got him, he asked me if it was hard to repair JAWS.  I told him it
might be or might not, as that is subjective, but I did think it would be
hard for me to try to explain to him how to do it.  I knew I'd never get
across to him how to do it with his hearing problems.  He didn't understand
and just kept asking if it is hard to repair JAWS.  I finally told him it
might or might not be depending on his computer abilities and I don't know
if he understood, but he hung up.  That is why whoever it was probably told
him he needed a sighted person because if she couldn't stay connected, then
trying to walk him through it would be impossible, and I am not
exaggerating.  Usually, if you try to explain something to him, he will
eventually try to get one of his family members on the phone and have you
explain it to them and then they will yell loudly to him and try to get him
to understand.  Usually they will tell him something bluntly like Addison
you can't do it or Addison you have to upgrade JAWS or whatever and tell him
they'll come over and help him later.  He doesn't necessarily need a sighted
person, but he does need someone who can hear.  Doubt anyone who could come
to help him would be blind and hearing so in that case a sighted person
would be necessary.  He is really hard to work with.  If you can get
connected via tandem, what Keith has done, and it was actually a good idea,
is to open his notepad and type to him what he wanted to say and then have
JAWS read it to him.  He seems to be able to understand JAWS better.  But he
needs to be using relay, and if there are connection problems with tandem
then it's hopless, literally.  I might have tried to help him with tandem
but he just kept asking is it hard to repair JAWS and I couldn't get
anything at all across to him.


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Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:08 PM
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Cc: O.Addison Gethers o.addisongeth...@gmail.com
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hello there,
I need to know how to repaired Jaws 16 ? I never know how to repaired jaws
and download from fs website but I have jaws 16 disc !! One of FS support
was trying to do it for me but when she try to jaws tandem she couldn't stay
connect because jaws crashed so she told me that I need to repaired jaws and
download from FS website ! Here what she say in e-mail below !!
Hi,

Here is what I was trying to say on the phone. It seems to me that your jaws
needs to be repaired. when I tried to do tandem while we were on the phone,
jaws stopped speaking and then the tandem crashed, and I could not stay
connected to your computer. it would be helpful if there was a sighted
person on hand to help do the repair since I cannot stay connected to your
computer through tandem. In order to repair jaws, we need to download jaws
from the freedom scientific web site, and then run a repair. 

Is it hard for me to repaired jaws without sighter help and I'm hard of
hearing ?
Addison 


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via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I typed from the run dialog, jaws16 /type repair and only heard Jaws
Professional.  Can you provide the syntax again?  Thanks.

Les

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via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:25 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mike and Jenna
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I am not sure if this  has been responded to or not but if you go to the run
box brous to ware you have your jaws.exe then hitand hit space and at the
end do /type repair and that will work as well.

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via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 6:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Mark, I think if you run the jfw.exe

RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Pablo Morales via Jfw

Russell, yes you are right. I installed on a old computer and it didn't work
well with any program, it took for ever to open outlook, or just to restart,
jaws wasn't able to read the start menu, and some times crashed. Now I have
on a ACER laptop windows 10 installed, and it is working perfectly. Now I am
installing windows 10 on a dell desktop with an i7 processor, and I will see
how it works, but I believe that the hardware too old, could be a problem on
windows 10, like in whatever operating system or software.



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Adrian,

I think it's more the age of the computer being updated than whether it's
Windows 7 or 8.1... I have an old Lenovo laptop... 10 years old, and I don't
think I'd like to update it to Windows 10... I had Windows 7 on it and
updated it to Windows 8.1 and was sorry because it ran so slow with Windows
8.1. 

If you have a relatively new laptop or desktop running Windows 7 I wouldn't
hesitate updating to Windows 10, if you're so inclined.

Cheers,

Russell
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

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Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
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Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and

stubborn remnances

2015-08-09 Thread Mario via Jfw

after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I 
checked the programs and features applett and found:


Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/ 2015 
10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/ 
2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 
2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013 
12.6.305.0



opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following which 
also happens with the 14 talking installer:


The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK


The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel


The installation source for this product is not
available.  Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed components, 
so left those alone.


how to cleanly remove both talking installers?

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It
just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

Can you provide the syntax for repairing Jaws from the command line?  I
tried the syntax provided on this ist, but all I heard was Jaws
Professional.  I did some troubleshooting with an FS rep last week and I was
able to type in Jaws16 followed by another syntax and that worked, so I
think Jaws16 is being seen.  Thanks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicki keck via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Nicki keck jesusgir...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

I am not the one who tried to connect to his computer, but I did get him
afterward.  Whenever he calls in, we groan because honestly, the man cannot
hear what you say to him.  If you connect to him via tandem, the way you
have to give him the code is he will say,
1, 2, 3 and you stop him at the right number/letter.  H knows how many
letters and numbers, but still.  

When I got him, he asked me if it was hard to repair JAWS.  I told him it
might be or might not, as that is subjective, but I did think it would be
hard for me to try to explain to him how to do it.  I knew I'd never get
across to him how to do it with his hearing problems.  He didn't understand
and just kept asking if it is hard to repair JAWS.  I finally told him it
might or might not be depending on his computer abilities and I don't know
if he understood, but he hung up.  That is why whoever it was probably told
him he needed a sighted person because if she couldn't stay connected, then
trying to walk him through it would be impossible, and I am not
exaggerating.  Usually, if you try to explain something to him, he will
eventually try to get one of his family members on the phone and have you
explain it to them and then they will yell loudly to him and try to get him
to understand.  Usually they will tell him something bluntly like Addison
you can't do it or Addison you have to upgrade JAWS or whatever and tell him
they'll come over and help him later.  He doesn't necessarily need a sighted
person, but he does need someone who can hear.  Doubt anyone who could come
to help him would be blind and hearing so in that case a sighted person
would be necessary.  He is really hard to work with.  If you can get
connected via tandem, what Keith has done, and it was actually a good idea,
is to open his notepad and type to him what he wanted to say and then have
JAWS read it to him.  He seems to be able to understand JAWS better.  But he
needs to be using relay, and if there are connection problems with tandem
then it's hopless, literally.  I might have tried to help him with tandem
but he just kept asking is it hard to repair JAWS and I couldn't get
anything at all across to him.


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Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:08 PM
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Cc: O.Addison Gethers o.addisongeth...@gmail.com
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hello there,
I need to know how to repaired Jaws 16 ? I never know how to repaired jaws
and download from fs website but I have jaws 16 disc !! One of FS support
was trying to do it for me but when she try to jaws tandem she couldn't stay
connect because jaws crashed so she told me that I need to repaired jaws and
download from FS website ! Here what she say in e-mail below !!
Hi,

Here is what I was trying to say on the phone. It seems to me that your jaws
needs to be repaired. when I tried to do tandem while we were on the phone,
jaws stopped speaking and then the tandem crashed, and I could not stay
connected to your computer. it would be helpful if there was a sighted
person on hand to help do the repair since I cannot stay connected to your
computer through tandem. In order to repair jaws, we need to download jaws
from the freedom scientific web site, and then run a repair. 

Is it hard for me to repaired jaws without sighter help and I'm hard of
hearing ?
Addison 


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I typed from the run dialog, jaws16 /type repair and only heard Jaws
Professional.  Can you provide the syntax again?  Thanks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike and Jenna
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 10:25 PM
To:

RE: repairing jaws

2015-08-09 Thread O.Addison Gethers via Jfw

Hello Nicki,
All I wanted to know if there is hard for me to repaired jaws 16? I would
like to repaired jaws 16 sometime my sister doesn't have time to helped me
to repaired jaws because she will get back home when FS support will closed
in 15 minute!! If someone send me the instruction step by steph to tell me
how to repaired jaws and download from FS website or use jaws 16 disc to
download and installed jaws from there !! 


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nicki keck via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Nicki keck
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

I am not the one who tried to connect to his computer, but I did get him
afterward.  Whenever he calls in, we groan because honestly, the man cannot
hear what you say to him.  If you connect to him via tandem, the way you
have to give him the code is he will say, 1, 2, 3 and you stop him at the
right number/letter.  H knows how many letters and numbers, but still.  

When I got him, he asked me if it was hard to repair JAWS.  I told him it
might be or might not, as that is subjective, but I did think it would be
hard for me to try to explain to him how to do it.  I knew I'd never get
across to him how to do it with his hearing problems.  He didn't understand
and just kept asking if it is hard to repair JAWS.  I finally told him it
might or might not be depending on his computer abilities and I don't know
if he understood, but he hung up.  That is why whoever it was probably told
him he needed a sighted person because if she couldn't stay connected, then
trying to walk him through it would be impossible, and I am not
exaggerating.  Usually, if you try to explain something to him, he will
eventually try to get one of his family members on the phone and have you
explain it to them and then they will yell loudly to him and try to get him
to understand.  Usually they will tell him something bluntly like Addison
you can't do it or Addison you have to upgrade JAWS or whatever and tell him
they'll come over and help him later.  He doesn't necessarily need a sighted
person, but he does need someone who can hear.  Doubt anyone who could come
to help him would be blind and hearing so in that case a sighted person
would be necessary.  He is really hard to work with.  If you can get
connected via tandem, what Keith has done, and it was actually a good idea,
is to open his notepad and type to him what he wanted to say and then have
JAWS read it to him.  He seems to be able to understand JAWS better.  But he
needs to be using relay, and if there are connection problems with tandem
then it's hopless, literally.  I might have tried to help him with tandem
but he just kept asking is it hard to repair JAWS and I couldn't get
anything at all across to him.


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of O.Addison
Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:08 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: O.Addison Gethers o.addisongeth...@gmail.com
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:13 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: FW: repairing jaws



-Original Message-
From: O.Addison Gethers [mailto:o.addisongeth...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:47 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hello there,
I need to know how to repaired Jaws 16 ? I never know how to repaired jaws
and download from fs website but I have jaws 16 disc !! One of FS support
was trying to do it for me but when she try to jaws tandem she couldn't stay
connect because jaws crashed so she told me that I need to repaired jaws and
download from FS website ! Here what she say in e-mail below !!
Hi,

Here is what I was trying to say on the phone. It seems to me that your jaws
needs to be repaired. when I tried to do tandem while we were on the phone,
jaws stopped speaking and then the tandem crashed, and I could not stay
connected to your computer. it would be helpful if there was a sighted
person on hand to help do the repair since I cannot stay connected to your
computer through tandem. In order to repair jaws, we need to download jaws
from the freedom scientific web site, and then run a repair. 

Is it hard for me to repaired jaws without sighter help and I'm hard of
hearing ?
Addison 


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 11:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Les Kriegler
Subject: RE: repairing jaws

Hi,

I typed from the run dialog, jaws16 /type repair and only heard Jaws
Professional.  Can you provide the syntax again?  Thanks.

Les

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Recall: repairing jaws

2015-08-09 Thread Nicki keck via Jfw

Nicki keck would like to recall the message, repairing jaws.
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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It
just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

Michal

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RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

That's not what I meant.  WindowEyes does not read all results
automatically, only the one that has focus.  That is how JAWS behaved in
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:10 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

Michal

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just
says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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Re: stubborn remnances

2015-08-09 Thread Mario via Jfw


I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay.
I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there? hmm...


On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:

It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove
Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86)
folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just
dead entries in the Programs  Features Control Panel? If they're just
dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:

after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I
checked the programs and features applett and found:

Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/
2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/
2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/
2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013
12.6.305.0


opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following
which also happens with the 14 talking installer:

The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK


The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel


The installation source for this product is not
available.  Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed
components, so left those alone.

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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

I haven't had to use Zendesk in a couple of years. When I used to use it
for work, I don't remember having any problems; but they could've redone
their interface since then. I may have access to a Zendesk product at
work. (Our vendor uses Zendesk, but we usually just interact with it by
Email, so I haven't tried the other way.) If you don't get a
satisfactory answer by tomorrow, shoot me an Email to my work address

bmar...@uwswa.org
and I'll see if I can replicate the problem.

Brad Martin

On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:

I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use
JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't
get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any
link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me
on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of
sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Yes, but some people may want to stay with the virtual ribbon, which is the FS 
attempt to make ribbon navigation easier for visually impaired users. 
Personally, I stayed with the regular ribbon, which is fine once you get used 
to it. All I'm saying is that people considering unchecking this option need to 
be aware of the consequences.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:07 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

To check your settings for the Virtual Ribbon Menu in JAWS:

Press JAWS KEY plus F2. Arrow down to Settings Center and press Enter.
Press the letter M until it says Miscellaneous. Press Right Arrow to Open 
Miscellaneous.

Arrow down to Virtual Ribbon Menu. It will probably tell you that this 
setting is unavailable except in the default configuration of JAWS.

To load the default configuration: Press Shift plus Control plus the letter 
D as in dog.

Once your default configuration is loaded, you can Press the Up and Down 
Arrow to see if your Virtual Ribbon Menu is checked or not. You want it to 
be unchecked if you want all of the keyboard shortcuts to work properly. If 
it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and press 
Enter to save these settings.

I hope this helps you.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message - 
From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White 
 via
 Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
 ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the 
 Virtual
 Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

 This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
 Miscellaneous is unchecked.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed
 by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws
 speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current
 view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,

 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
 blank.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Barbara

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Re: stubborn remnances

It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove 
Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86) 
folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just 
dead entries in the Programs  Features Control Panel? If they're just 
dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything.


Brad

On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:
after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I 
checked the programs and features applett and found:


Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific  7/ 13/ 
2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 28/ 
2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 
2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific  8/ 27/ 2013 
12.6.305.0



opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following 
which also happens with the 14 talking installer:


The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK


The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel


The installation source for this product is not
available.  Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed 
components, so left those alone.


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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

2015-08-09 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw

.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
 Barbara Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the 
 suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. 
 The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up 
 the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It 
 just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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Re: stubborn remnances

It's just registry entries that didn't get cleaned out by the uninstall
process.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 5:53 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:

I didn't find any actual files, so I guess the ghosts will stay.
I wonder what causes them to show up if there isn't anything there?
hmm...

On 8/9/2015 3:59 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:

It sounds like they're gone; the entries are just listed in Add/Remove
Programs? If you look in your Program Files (Or Program Files x86)
folders, can you find the actual programs themselves, or are those just
dead entries in the Programs Features Control Panel? If they're just
dead entries, they're annoying to look at but shouldn't hurt anything.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 2:42 PM, Mario via Jfw wrote:

after running the tool from fs to remove prior versions of JAWS, I
checked the programs and features applett and found:

Freedom Scientific Synthesizer Eloquence Freedom Scientific 7/ 13/
2015 10.9 MB 6.1.004
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 28/
2012 15.3 MB 13.0.1006.400
Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 14.0 Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/
2013 35.2 MB 14.0.6005.400
Freedom Scientific Video Intercept Freedom Scientific 8/ 27/ 2013
12.6.305.0

opting to uninstall the 13 talking installer, I got the following
which also happens with the 14 talking installer:

The feature you are trying to use is on a
network resource that is unavailable.

Click OK to try again, or enter an alternate path to a
folder containing the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in the box below.
C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\
OK

The path
'C:\Users\Mario\AppData\Local\Temp\RuntimeJAWS.msi'
cannot be found. Verify that you have access to this
location and try again, or try to find the installation package
'RuntimeJAWS.msi' in a folder from which you can install
the product Freedom Scientific Talking Installer 13.0.
Cancel

The installation source for this product is not
available. Verify that the source exists and that you
can access it.

I figure the Eloquence driver and Video Intercept are needed
components, so left those alone.

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FW: Possibly Off Topic: Strange Outlook 2010 problem

Just re-sending this in case it didn't go through the first time.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: Tom Behler [mailto:tombeh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:51 PM
To: Jaws users list (jaws-users-l...@jaws-users.com); 'The Jaws for Windows
support list.'
Subject: Possibly Off Topic: Strange Outlook 2010 problem

 

Hello, everyone.

 

I have a strange Outlook 2010 problem on my work laptop that I could use
some help with.  It is a Windows  7 laptop with Jaws 16.0.4350.

 

To give a bit of background, I have Outlook 2010 running with two e-mail
accounts.  One is my work e-mail account, and the other is my personal
g-mail account for which I use the IMAP interface.

 

Most of the time, when I write an e-mail in my g-mail IMAP account, two
copies of my note end up in my sent file.  I have always thought this to be
a bit strange, but never worried about it too much since most of my e-mails
are simple text messages that don't take up much space.  Recently, I have
noticed that sometimes, when I write an e-mail in my personal g-mail
account, one copy of the message goes into my sent file, but the other copy
winds  up in the sent file for my work account.  I know that the e-mails go
out, but I'm  just not sure why this is happening.  Furthermore, I can't
find a consistent explanation  for, or patterning to this behavior.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

If this quiry is considered to be off topic for this list, feel free to
respond to me at:

 

tombeh...@gmail.com

 

Thank you!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

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Possibly Off Topic: Strange Outlook 2010 problem

Hello, everyone.

I have a strange Outlook 2010 problem on my work laptop that I could use
some help with. It is a Windows 7 laptop with Jaws 16.0.4350.

To give a bit of background, I have Outlook 2010 running with two e-mail
accounts. One is my work e-mail account, and the other is my personal
g-mail account for which I use the IMAP interface.

Most of the time, when I write an e-mail in my g-mail IMAP account, two
copies of my note end up in my sent file. I have always thought this to be
a bit strange, but never worried about it too much since most of my e-mails
are simple text messages that don't take up much space. Recently, I have
noticed that sometimes, when I write an e-mail in my personal g-mail
account, one copy of the message goes into my sent file, but the other copy
winds up in the sent file for my work account. I know that the e-mails go
out, but I'm just not sure why this is happening. Furthermore, I can't
find a consistent explanation for, or patterning to this behavior.

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

If this quiry is considered to be off topic for this list, feel free to
respond to me at:

tombeh...@gmail.com

Thank you!

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
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submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

2015-08-09 Thread Brent Harding via Jfw

I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether I use 
JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with iOS, I can't 
get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They don't identify as any 
link or combo box for me to use them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me 
on the wrong category most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of 
sites that use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just
says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

2015-08-09 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw

 under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V
 followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area
 which Jaws speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013,
 and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
 Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
 Barbara Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the
 suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this.
 The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up
 the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It
 just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010



Hi,

I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V
followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area
which Jaws speaks.

Les

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Hourigan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kevin Hourigan
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hello Barbra,
I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and
pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up
Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of
Barbara Hansen via Jfw
Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi List friends,



Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion
to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The
suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the
ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just
says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says
blank.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Barbara

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

If you are using the virtual ribbon, you can press alt, left or right arrow
to view, and then tab around until you come across the current view. 
Cheers Kevin. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 11:30 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon? 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual
Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed 
 by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws 
 speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and 
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current 
 view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,

 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Barbara

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RE: Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem

2015-08-09 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw

Thanks, Mike.

Found it. Did it. Keeping fingers crossed.

Keith

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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 6:23 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Re: Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem

Hi Keith,

Try the following:

While in Windows Explorer, go to Tools and then folder options.
Next, move to the view tab, and then the tree-view, and uncheck the
following:
show preview handlers in preview payne.
This problem does not occur on every Win7 machine, but it has been found that 
unchecking this option  has corrected the problem on several systems.
This crops up on some 32 and 64-bit systems.
HTH,

Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 3:29 PM
Subject: Help with recurring Windows Explorer problem

Hi,

Running Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and latest JAWS 16.

When I go in to Windows Explorer and look at folders and files, it seems to 
hang on me.

I get the following message after receiving a dialog to Wait for program to 
resume or Exit the program. What does this mean, and what should I do next? 
Thanks.

explorer.exe
explorer.exe dialog
explorer.exe
The remote procedure call failed and did not execute.
OK

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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

Brent,

I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous
message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I
needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses
Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit
field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for
the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse
button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a
submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The
last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories
to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have
access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a
move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks
accessibility.

Sorry not to be of more help.

Brad

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RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

2015-08-09 Thread Debbie April Yuille via Jfw

Are you saying that JAWS does read the start search entries. I was under the
impression that it didn't read them.

Thanks
Debbie

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

Michal

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 is working great for me... I don't mind the fact that Jaws
doesn't automatically read search results, as it's usually not the first
result I am looking for, so must arrow down the list anyway. Mostly Jaws is
quite responsive and all my programs open very quickly.

Cheers,

Russell

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was
my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service
release this month).
As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm
slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised
some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as
Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before
the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases,
Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking
sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading,
Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed
for some screen reader users).
As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed
users until July 2016. Many would say, take advantage of Windows 10 now.
However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while
(especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade
until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't
support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix
this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor
virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not
announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may
need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not
tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)).
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak.
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the bad part you refer to is that from time
to time, a refinement may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will
be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together
into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps
for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install
Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle
among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to
change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user
accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for
various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm waiting
for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent:

RE: Outlook 2013 Question

Hello Les, 
I find I need to go slow when I first open Outlook, but after I have opened
the first letter it hums along fine. 
Cheers Kevin. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 7:45 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Subject: Outlook 2013 Question

Hi All,

I just started using Outlook 2013 today with the latest version of Jaws.
Most of the time, when I launch Outlook, Jaws is losing focus rather than
landing in the Inbox of Outlook 2013.  I never experienced this with 2010.
Has anyone experienced this behavior, and if so, can this be rectified?
Thanks.

Les

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and 
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up 
 Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

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 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Gary King via Jfw

The free feed is to lure the deer into the killing ground.  I don't think 
the free Windows 10 upgrade offer is quite that sinister though.  Just good 
old Microsoft's way of trying to keep it's dominant position.


Gary King
w4...@bellsouth.net
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From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:06 AM
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


Are you saying Win10 smells? Hard to make out the meaning of this, um, 
adage.


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Daniel 
McBride via Jfw

Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:05 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Daniel McBride
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

As I pointed out earlier, a deer gets free feed at his local deer stand
feeder.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian 
Spratt

via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers to 
the
end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time? I'm 
waiting

for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one) and FS's first
rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within the year.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White 
via

Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?



Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and
I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it
ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in 
mall?

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Gary King via Jfw


Bill,
I don't think I'll be upgrading my current Windows 7 computer to Windows 10 
in 2020.  It will be 9 years old by then if it's still running.  I'll just 
buy a shiny new computer with Windows 10, or whatever is the latest 
operating system, already installed.  If I had a relatively new computer 
running Windows 8 or 8.1 though, I would probably take advantage of the free 
Windows 10 upgrade.


Gary King
w4...@bellsouth.net
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To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade, 
Windows10 won't be free anymore.

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?



Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I 
just have a question (with a lot of background first):


So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now 
in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. (I'm 
doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate that 
Cortana is iffy at best.


So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If 
it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to 
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in the 
upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning computer 
to see if it will still function.


P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in 
mall?

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hey Brad,

For sure, that makes total sense. If therrre's some great new functionality
with Edge when Jaws is able to support it, I'll let the list know.

Cheers,

Russell
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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:52 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

I think you're right on several counts. Whether to update or not is a 
personal decision. My question was more a fact finding mission to 
understand what I'd be getting if I updated. I'm the same way before I 
buy anything--I want to know what it's going to do--either for me or to 
me--when I get it. I also think that if I were running Windows 8.1, I'd 
be more likely to update just to get back some of the Windows 7 feel and 
functionality I lost with Windows 8.1. But since I have Windows 7 
already, I think I'll just wait until I hear something compelling about 
10, or until July 29, 2016 when the upgrade ceases to be free.

Brad

On 8/9/2015 9:20 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:
 Hi Brad,

 I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running
Windows
 8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
 updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When
I
 press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows
7.
 If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which
is
 really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she
isn't
 able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
 search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
 the only choice.

 I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

 I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
 and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because
we
 use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if
my
 laptop wasn't fairly new.

 I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
 troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive
technology,
 so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

 For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
 starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

 Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

 Russell
 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
 via Jfw
 Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
 Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

 Hi,

 I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
 just have a question (with a lot of background first):

 So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
 doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
 you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
 now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
 (I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
 indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

 So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
 know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
 system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
 see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
 Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
 should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
 If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like
 to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
 the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
 computer to see if it will still function.

 P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Same here:  all my programs open quickly and are running smoothly.  If I
hadn't done the upgrade myself, I would have thought my computer was built
for Windows 10.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 9:20 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk rsolowon...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 is working great for me... I don't mind the fact that Jaws
doesn't automatically read search results, as it's usually not the first
result I am looking for, so must arrow down the list anyway. Mostly Jaws is
quite responsive and all my programs open very quickly.

Cheers,

Russell

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:55 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I definitely agree with waiting until around the first of the year. That was
my initial intention until my programs began to die on me one at a time. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Joseph Lee joseph.lee22...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
Correct (Gabriel Aul from Microsoft tweeted that there will be a service
release this month).
As for bad side of continuous refinements and updates, that's one thing I'm
slightly worried about: accessibility issues. For this reason, I advised
some knowledgeable blind people (including some JAWS users here) to stay as
Windows Insiders to help Microsoft iron out accessibility problems before
the general public receives updates. But as with any software releases,
Windows 10 will have flaws (a trending topic on various social networking
sites and newspaper articles is privacy concerns, and for screen reading,
Microsoft did something with UIA where performance degradation was observed
for some screen reader users).
As for upgrade period: yes, Windows 10 will be free for properly licensed
users until July 2016. Many would say, take advantage of Windows 10 now.
However, I and others would like to advise you to hold off for a while
(especially for screen reader users; for JAWS users, please don't upgrade
until JAWS 17 comes out; there are certain things JAWS 16.0.4350 doesn't
support, including not reading Start search results automatically (to fix
this, JAWS may need to listen to a specific UIA event), no forms mode nor
virtual cursor in Edge (Microsoft Edge is filled with UIA) and not
announcing Action Center notifications for some users (to fix this, FS may
need to refine which controls are toasts, and toasts in Windows 10 are not
tool tips anymore, rather they are actual windows)).
Cheers,
Joseph P.S. Let me know if I spoke too much geekspeak.
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first
refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the bad part you refer to is that from time
to time, a refinement may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements will
be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps together
into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple desktops with apps
for different purposes opened in each desktop. By default, when you install
Windows 10 and with multiple desktops opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle
among apps on the current desktop (go to Settings/System/Multitasking to
change this behavior). This isn't the same as having two or more user
accounts (I for one use two user accounts and switch between them for
various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 want all of the keyboard shortcuts to 
 work
 properly.
 If
 it is checked, press the Space Bar to uncheck it. Then Tab to OK and 
 press Enter to save these settings.

 I hope this helps you.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Carolyn Arnold via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:29 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon?

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill 
 White via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
 To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
 ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the 
 Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration 
 Menu?

 This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option 
 under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V 
 followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area 
 which Jaws speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, 
 and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up 
 Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
 Barbara Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the 
 suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. 
 The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up 
 the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It 
 just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

I have no idea if we're talking about the same thing or not. I just went 
to support.apple.com to see if I could find what your issue might be. 
Keep in mind I have no Apple products, so I couldn't go too far. I am 
using Firefox 39.0.3 and JAWS 15. But I said I wanted to contact 
support, and I then had to choose Get Started. There were a list of 
buttons to choose from. I chose Mac, and that gave me subcategories. I 
chose Desktop. I selected each by pressing the Spacebar on them. Then it 
gave me a whole new screen. I said my question was about Mail, so I 
pressed spacebar on Mail. Then another screen opened, and I really 
didn't know what I was trying to do since I don't have a question, so I 
closed the window. Is that of any help? Try spacebar to select an option 
if that's your problem. Sorry not to be more helpful.


Brad


On 8/9/2015 9:46 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:
Uber and Apple are two instances with categories. It isn't even 
accessible on iOS either, but I bet if I didn't have broken arrow keys 
that are remapped to unused keys in Windows, Safari probably works 
perfectly with it on OSX. I could be wrong about that though.


- Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw 
jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites



Brent,

I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my 
previous message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could 
access what I needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor 
that uses Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. 
There's an edit field for Subject, and edit field for Description, 
and an edit field for the name of the organization for which we work. 
Then there's a browse button in case we need to attach any files to 
the request, and then a submit button. So apparently the vendor 
doesn't use any categories. The last time I used Zendesk with a 
different vendor, we did have categories to select, but it wasn't a 
problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have access to that instance of 
Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a move to a mobile friendly 
platform for Zendesk, which often breaks accessibility.


Sorry not to be of more help.

Brad



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I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, 
whether I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my 
phone with iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the 
category. They don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use 
them, and turning virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category 
most of the time. Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that 
use this. How can I get my ticket submitted?


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Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites

2015-08-09 Thread Brent Harding via Jfw

This issue they're having is with properly linking to a podcast feed so 
iTunes opens. I just wanted to submit a ticket here

here
https://itunespodcasts.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
to see if it is possible to make a link on a website that opens iTunes to 
the reviews page of their podcast. I've emailed Apple's accessibility, but 
this link isn't a site they control directly.
Right after it says choose a topic is a line of dashes which will probably 
speak silent, depending on how punctuation is set. The virtual cursor off 
way might let me submit it in the wrong category, but it probably goes in 
other.
I've seen this setup on Uber's site also, but at least they let you email 
supp...@uber.com, but Apple doesn't have a podcast support email address.




- Original Message - 
From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites


I have no idea if we're talking about the same thing or not. I just went to 
support.apple.com to see if I could find what your issue might be. Keep in 
mind I have no Apple products, so I couldn't go too far. I am using Firefox 
39.0.3 and JAWS 15. But I said I wanted to contact support, and I then had 
to choose Get Started. There were a list of buttons to choose from. I chose 
Mac, and that gave me subcategories. I chose Desktop. I selected each by 
pressing the Spacebar on them. Then it gave me a whole new screen. I said 
my question was about Mail, so I pressed spacebar on Mail. Then another 
screen opened, and I really didn't know what I was trying to do since I 
don't have a question, so I closed the window. Is that of any help? Try 
spacebar to select an option if that's your problem. Sorry not to be more 
helpful.


Brad


On 8/9/2015 9:46 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:
Uber and Apple are two instances with categories. It isn't even 
accessible on iOS either, but I bet if I didn't have broken arrow keys 
that are remapped to unused keys in Windows, Safari probably works 
perfectly with it on OSX. I could be wrong about that though.


- Original Message - From: Brad Martin via Jfw 
jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: submitting tickets to Zendesk sites



Brent,

I'm afraid I'm not going to be any help to you. After I sent my previous 
message, it occurred to me (derf dederf derf) that I could access what I 
needed at home as easily as at work. We do use a vendor that uses 
Zendesk, but there are no dropdowns on their portal. There's an edit 
field for Subject, and edit field for Description, and an edit field for 
the name of the organization for which we work. Then there's a browse 
button in case we need to attach any files to the request, and then a 
submit button. So apparently the vendor doesn't use any categories. The 
last time I used Zendesk with a different vendor, we did have categories 
to select, but it wasn't a problem in 2011-2012. But I no longer have 
access to that instance of Zendesk. I suspect you're suffering from a 
move to a mobile friendly platform for Zendesk, which often breaks 
accessibility.


Sorry not to be of more help.

Brad



On 8/9/2015 3:39 PM, Brent Harding via Jfw wrote:
I need to submit a ticket to a site that uses Zendesk. However, whether 
I use JFW with Chrome or Firefox, or even try to do it on my phone with 
iOS, I can't get past the drop down boxes to select the category. They 
don't identify as any link or combo box for me to use them, and turning 
virtual cursor off lands me on the wrong category most of the time. 
Apple and Uber are just two examples of sites that use this. How can I 
get my ticket submitted?


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RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

And, I meant I like down arrowing to read the results.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 3:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

That's not what I meant.  WindowEyes does not read all results
automatically, only the one that has focus.  That is how JAWS behaved in
Windows 7, 8, and 8.1.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 5:10 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

 

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

 

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 with pressing:
 ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the 
 Virtual Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration 
 Menu?

 This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option 
 under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V 
 followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area 
 which Jaws speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, 
 and pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up 
 Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
 Barbara Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the 
 suggestion to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. 
 The suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up 
 the ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It 
 just says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Well, I'm glad it's working for you on your newer laptop, and hope it does
the same on your desktop! :)

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:42 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Pablo Morales pablocmd2...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell, yes you are right. I installed on a old computer and it didn't work
well with any program, it took for ever to open outlook, or just to restart,
jaws wasn't able to read the start menu, and some times crashed. Now I have
on a ACER laptop windows 10 installed, and it is working perfectly. Now I am
installing windows 10 on a dell desktop with an i7 processor, and I will see
how it works, but I believe that the hardware too old, could be a problem on
windows 10, like in whatever operating system or software.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 1:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Adrian,

I think it's more the age of the computer being updated than whether it's
Windows 7 or 8.1... I have an old Lenovo laptop... 10 years old, and I don't
think I'd like to update it to Windows 10... I had Windows 7 on it and
updated it to Windows 8.1 and was sorry because it ran so slow with Windows
8.1. 

If you have a relatively new laptop or desktop running Windows 7 I wouldn't
hesitate updating to Windows 10, if you're so inclined.

Cheers,

Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 9:03 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8
and Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any
immediate gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to
Win10 will be unavoidable.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will

RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

It does, but not automatically as you type your search term; you have to use
the arrow keys to get JAWS to read them.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Debbie April
Yuille via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 8:38 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Debbie April Yuille debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Are you saying that JAWS does read the start search entries. I was under the
impression that it didn't read them.

Thanks
Debbie

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015 8:10 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

I down arrow to list the results.
I think it would be annoying if jaws read hundreds of results
automatically...

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 11:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: Accessing Windows 10 Start Menu Search Results

Dear List,

 

I wanted to let you all know that the latest version of WindowEyes (9.2.1)
does read search results automatically in Windows 10.  So, if you have
Office 2010 or later, you can take advantage of this by installing
WindowEyes for Office users, at least until FS releases a fix.

 

Michal

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RE: notes

Kevin:
Lol.  I'm still working on thawing my brain out, I seriously thought under
the view menue, which I've toyed around with btw, it would produce the
result.

However, in 2013, in the legal note I wrote, I just wrote down the time and
day, as in Sunday but not the date as in august 8th, 2015.
If anyone has 2010, could they muc up their view in the notes folder and see
if it will work?


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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:32 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kevin Hourigan kevinthouri...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: notes

Hello Kimsan, 
It is too bad your brain is frozen; it looks like your memory is the only
one with that info, lol. 
Cheers Kevin. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 4:07 PM
To: jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kimsan kimsans...@gmail.com
Subject: notes

I'm having a brain freeze at the moment, but,  when writing a note in
outlook 2013, since I'm using outlook 2013, if I was dumb enough to not
input when I wrote it is there a setting to have jaws echo that information?

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 if the Virtual Ribbon option 
 under Miscellaneous is unchecked.
 Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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 From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010


 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V 
 followed by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area 
 which Jaws speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and 
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up 
 Current view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
 Barbara Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,



 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.



 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



 Barbara

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RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Thanks. That is what I've been doing, seems maybe a little slow, a little
clumsy, but probably the more I do it, the more I'll get used to it. 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Hourigan
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 7:44 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kevin Hourigan kevinthouri...@gmail.com
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

If you are using the virtual ribbon, you can press alt, left or right arrow
to view, and then tab around until you come across the current view. 
Cheers Kevin. 

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: August-09-15 11:30 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

Where is it that you go to check about the virtual ribbon? 

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 1:33 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Subject: Re: changing the view in outlook 2010

Hi, Les and Barbara. Could this problem with pressing:
ALT plus V, followed by C, followed by V, be related to whether the Virtual
Ribbon is checked or unchecked in your Default Configuration Menu?

This keyboard shortcut may work only if the Virtual Ribbon option under
Miscellaneous is unchecked.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Les Kriegler via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Les Kriegler krieg...@nycap.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi,

 I'm having the same problem Barbara is having.  I press Alt-V followed 
 by C and V and hear nothing.  Tabbing yields a blank area which Jaws 
 speaks.

 Les

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
 Hourigan via Jfw
 Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:01 PM
 To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
 Cc: Kevin Hourigan
 Subject: RE: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hello Barbra,
 I am using Windows 7, 64 bit, Jaws 16.0. 4350, and Outlook 2013, and 
 pressing alt V, C, V, while in the inbox of Outlook brings up Current 
 view group box, with a list of options, Cheers Kevin.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Barbara 
 Hansen via Jfw
 Sent: August-08-15 12:33 PM
 To: Jfw lists jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
 Cc: Barbara Hansen the2skibe...@embarqmail.com
 Subject: changing the view in outlook 2010

 Hi List friends,

 Regarding the info on losing messages in outlook, and the suggestion 
 to change the view menu, I need to know how to do this. The 
 suggestion, alt-V, c, v, did not work for me. When I bring up the 
 ribbons menu and enter on the view menu, nothing happens. It just 
 says blank. I also tried arrowing and tabbing and still says 
 blank.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Barbara

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Melissa Stott via Jfw

Judith, I totally agree with you.

-Original Message- 
From: j Bron via Jfw

Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 8:34 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: j Bron
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

When I first read about windows 10 being a free download for a time it was
exciting.  Right now I think I'll stick with windows 7 until all the kinks
are worked out.  Judith

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 2:17 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Brad Martin
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What's worse, if you have Windows 10 Home, you won't be able to delay the
updates until JAWS figures out what to do with them. Ready or not, here
they come. Windows 10 Pro users will be able to delay updates to a point,
unspecified is how long you'll be able to delay them. I just read that
tonight. Fun fun fun.

Brad

On 8/8/2015 11:42 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

Joseph,

I understand your point about continuous refinements, but the first

refinements will amount to a service pack even if not given that name. I'll
be content to wait. I assume the bad part you refer to is that from time
to time, a refinement may disrupt accessibility because screenreader
developers may find it hard to keep up. I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 12:14 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Joseph Lee
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,
There will be no service packs as in the past. Continuous refinements
will be the norm from now on, which are good thing and a bad thing.
Virtual desktops (called Task View) are a way to group running apps
together into workspaces. In other words, you can open multiple
desktops with apps for different purposes opened in each desktop. By
default, when you install Windows 10 and with multiple desktops
opened, pressing Alt+TAB will cycle among apps on the current desktop
(go to Settings/System/Multitasking to change this behavior). This
isn't the same as having two or more user accounts (I for one use two
user accounts and switch between them for various purposes).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 9:05 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Adrian Spratt adr...@adrianspratt.com
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Windows 10 won't be free after a year. I believe the 2020 date refers
to the end up MS support. But for now, as Brad says, who has the time?
I'm waiting for the first service pack (MS always comes out with one)
and FS's first rounds of fixes, all of which I expect will appear within

the year.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill
White via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 11:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bill White
Subject: Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

What you gain is that, in 2020, when you finally decide to upgrade,
Windows10 won't be free anymore.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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From: Brad Martin via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 7:03 PM
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest,
and I just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail
program; you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF

documents.

(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like
to know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new
operating system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only
benefit I can see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January
of 2020, where Windows
7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should
cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it
ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to
know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in

mall?

--
Brad Martin
b...@formyfriends.org

RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I 
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm 
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; 
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that 
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to 
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to 
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating 
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can 
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where 
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that 
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, 
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like 
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in 
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning 
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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Re: Installation of Windows 10

2015-08-09 Thread Maria Campbell via Jfw


That's very interesting.  Where does one find this tool?


On 8/9/2015 10:42 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:

FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all 
versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS 
DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly 
and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator?  Did you launch it before starting the 
update?

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via 
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
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Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people 
on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus 
found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark

On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic.  
However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded 
to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both?  I'm ready to install this but don't 
know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can 
do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Allen Childs via Jfw

Also using Windows 10 here, with JAWS and loving it.

Allen

I use to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2015 12:47 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

I came from XP, and wow, am I glad that I did. I never had 7, so I can't
speak for that. I've just been working on mine for about 24 hours, and I do
like it! 

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via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents. 
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
--
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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

2015-08-09 Thread Dave Carlson via Jfw

Carolyn,

Do I understand that you can still receive a free copy of Windows 10 for an 
XP installation? I thought it was only available to Windows 7 and Windows 8 
installations.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and pioneer

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Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?


I came from XP, and wow, am I glad that I did. I never had 7, so I can't
speak for that. I've just been working on mine for about 24 hours, and I do
like it!

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
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Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2015 10:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm doing
that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program; you should
use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that now in Windows
7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to indicate
that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to know
if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating system that
I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can see is that
Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where Windows 7 will
not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that should cause me to
want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying, If it ain't broke, don't
fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like to know if JAWS users in
particular are finding anything beneficial in the upgrade, or if it's just
something fun to do to your functioning computer to see if it will still
function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?
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