Re: [Kicad-developers] Back annotate references from PCB

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-12-02 12:52 a.m., Alexander Shuklin wrote:

I would say, pin swapping is just will be an another tool (you
probably need some specific piece of GUI for that).


Be very careful about how pin swapping is handled. Many years ago someone 
made a board that could be plugged in to an Amiga 1000 to allow the use of a 
68020 CPU in place of the stock 68000.


The board editor swapped a few gates between packages to simplify routing. 
It didn't take in to account that it was swapping some gates between a 
regular LS part and an F part. As a result the final board would work 
properly if you installed one of the LS parts with a low enough propagation 
delay.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Python 3 now required

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On 2021-06-15 6:32 a.m., Marco Ciampa wrote:

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 12:22:42AM +0300, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:

[snip]

That's where cmake UIs come handy. Try ccmake or cmake-gui (they are

[snip]


Exactly, Kevin is right but using the cmake-gui command it was very easy
to figure out how to change the variables to make it compile for me.


I changed a symlink on my machine to make 'python' point to 'python3'. I 
also rm'ed the build directory. I seem to be over the problem with it 
finding the right version of Python when both 2.7 and 3.6 are installed.


Now it complains that it can't find wxPython/Phoenix. AFAICT, that means I 
need version 4 of wx. I only have 3 and the distro I'm using doesn't have 
version 4 available so I can no longer build KiCAD v6. At least I solved the 
previous problem. :)



//Build for Python 3 instead of 2 (default OFF).
KICAD_SCRIPTING_PYTHON3:BOOL=ON


Is this the new way of specifying whether a setting is enabled or not? You 
need to specify the setting type and not just whether it is on or off? In 
the past I just have just used =.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Python 3 now required

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-06-14 4:34 p.m., Marco Ciampa wrote:

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 03:43:54PM -0400, Jon Evans wrote:

You should be able to override what is found by CMake by defining the
PYTHON_EXECUTABLE variable in your cmake command line


Gosh, shame on me, it was so simple!


Not that simple. I tried passing -DPYTHON_EXECUTABLE=python3 and it still 
only finds 2.7. I tried it without the -D part. I have also tried it with 
and without a full path to python3. I even tried putting PYTHON_EXECUTABLE 
before 'cmake' on the line.


How do you tell cmake which version of python you want to use?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Python 3 now required

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-06-04 1:34 p.m., Seth Hillbrand wrote:

KiCad now officially only supports Python 3.

[snip]
The current minimum Python version is 3.7 (due to a module test call we use) 
but we are looking at potentially supporting Python 3.6 if we can handle 
dynamic reloads.


I have 2.7 and 3.6 installed. The build process only sees the 2.7 version of 
Python and not my 3.6 version of Python.


If 3.7 is required I won't be able to build it until I can update the 
version of distro I run. Not easy for me to update my distro as someone 
broke the update/upgrade process pretty much requiring a fresh install in order.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

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On 2021-05-18 11:15 a.m., Carsten Schoenert wrote:

you will need to have installed libocct-data-exchange-dev which will
probably pull in other OCC related packages as an dependency.


Thanks for the info. Good to know that libocct is the library I will need to 
install when the switch is made from OCE to OCC.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] OCE vs. OCC default build flag

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On 2021-05-17 8:19 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
How does this change affect our package devs?  I'm guessing they would have 
to make some package dependencies changes if OCC is going to be the 
default.  I would like to hear from them before we make OCC the default.


How will this affect those of us who build KiCad from source? I have liboce 
packages installed which provide OCE. If you change to OCC what package(s) 
will I need then? The distro I use (Linux Mint) has libocct (Open CASCADE 
Technology) packages. Is that what I will need or will I have to find 
another source (ie. a PPA) for the support libraries?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Contributing 3DMouse code to KiCAD

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-03-25 10:18 a.m., Markus Bonk wrote:
I am able to start contributing code to implement navigation in the 
3D-Viewer and pcbnew.


I am however already failing: I cannot create a branch on GitLab in the 
KICAD project to add the feature.


It has become more common with sites like GitHub and GitLab for you to fork 
the project, make your changes (to a branch), push the changes, then make a 
merge request.


I've not dealt with merge requests on a project. It makes me think the 
developers need to download a new copy of the source tree to find out the 
differences.


The older way of doing things was to file a bug report (or enhancement 
request in this case), and you can attach program patches to it that others 
can apply to their copies of the source tree.


IIRC, KiCAD is now in feature freeze. I build KiCAD from source. I recently 
upgraded from a Space Navigator to a Space Mouse Pro. If you generate patch 
files I could apply them to my copy of v6 to help with initial testing and 
feedback.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Can't show 3D models

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On 2021-03-06 12:09 p.m., Jonatan Liljedahl wrote:

Also, libTKVCAF and all its friends was copied into
$(CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX)/KiCad.app/Contents/Frameworks/
so they all exist there.

But still, no 3D models at all are shown.


I will have to assume you have built the program correctly with the support 
needed to work with 3D models. I don't use a Mac and I don't recognize the 
name of the library file you mentioned.


Just to avoid some possible basic oversight I have a couple of things for 
you to check. The most obvious thing is have you downloaded and installed 
the 3D model files? Not all footprints have model files associated with them 
by default so you may have to tell the program which model file you want to 
use. Check the file path(s) you are using in referencing the model files.


It may be something simple you have missed. I'm hoping the above might help 
you discover what that might be.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Code execution context

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-02-25 1:47 a.m., Markus Bonk wrote:
I am currently investigating adding support for 3D input devices to pcbnew. 


One other piece of information I forgot to include is that for development 
under Linux you can use the libspnav0(-dev) libraries. The description for 
the library is:


The spacenav project provides a free, compatible alternative to the
proprietary 3Dconnexion SDK for their 3D input devices (called "space
navigator", "space pilot", "space traveller", etc).

That eliminates the worry about needing to use proprietary drivers.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Code execution context

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-02-25 1:47 a.m., Markus Bonk wrote:
I am currently investigating adding support for 3D input devices to pcbnew. 
The plan is to use a websocket interface


I've long wanted to be able to use my 3DConnexion device when I'm in the 3D 
view of pcbnew. I thought about trying to implement it but I work mostly in 
C. I also have too many other projects. I build and run KiCAD from source so 
I will be happy to help with testing.


I would suggest you look at the code base for Blender to see how they 
implemented 3D mice support. Under Linux it uses the spacenavd daemon to get 
the 3D movement information. You could also look at the code base for the 
Phoenix/Firestorm viewer program (firestormviewer.org) used with 3D virtual 
worlds. It also uses spacenavd to provide 3D mouse (they call it joystick) 
support.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Build problem of current master tree

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2021-01-02 9:45 a.m., Jeff Young wrote:

Hi Carsten,

Known problem when building 5.99 in a tree that used to hold 5.1.

Try:

cd include
rm *_lexer.h


Another option would be to issue the command "git clean -x -df" to remove 
all files that are not part of the source tree.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Can't see references - V5.99 what am I doing wrong?

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2020-10-14 10:51 a.m., Jon Evans wrote:
"Footprint Text" off turns off all footprint text, including references and 
values.  This isn't new behavior but I worry that the simplified objects 
panel has made it more confusing than it was in 5.1


Perhaps it would help if the label said "All Footprint Text".

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Re: [Kicad-developers] What is this build error?

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2020-09-04 9:38 a.m., Dick Hollenbeck wrote:

There is no package name gtk+-3.0.  Any idea, in Fossa terms, what this missing 
library
set is named?  Or is there a compatibility issue on Fossa with the library 
search?


It is a useful error message for people who do a lot of programming and have 
worked with projects that use the gtk library. Look for the libgtk-3-dev 
package or one with a similar title. The exact name of the package may vary 
depending on which operating system you are using.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Downloads storage maintenance

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2020-08-17 3:58 a.m., Maciej Suminski wrote:

I have received a message saying that a virtual machine hosting the
downloads storage might be down on 7th September between 9:00 and 12:00.


Is that AM or PM and in which time zone?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] No hotkey for "Set Bus Entry Shape"

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2020-05-31 3:41 p.m., Andy Peters wrote:
All right, I just checked in 5.1.6, and the usual X and Y mirror and R 
rotate hotkeys work.

[snip]
And it’s still an annoyance that you can’t see the entry before you 
place it. One _can_ see a part symbol (ghosted) as you move the mouse prior 
to placement, so for consistency the bus entry should work the same way. 


It would be good to see the bus entry shape before it gets placed. It (used 
to?) remember the previous selected shape for future placement but if the 
wrong shape comes up you wind up having to move it after rotating it. Being 
able to rotate it before you placing the bus entry would save a step.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Poll: how does autocomplete filter?

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On 2020-05-30 10:50 a.m., Jeff Young wrote:

One strategy is to highlight the first match as you type, but leave the menu 
entries unchanged.

Another strategy is to remove the un-matched entries (so the selected on is 
always at the top).

[snip]> Which is more common?  Which are you used to?  Which do you like better?

I don't recall seeing a case of menu entries being highlighted as I type. 
I'm used to seeing a filtered list that only has the possible entries based 
on what I have typed in.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Legacy schematic and symbol library writing deprecated.

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On 2020-05-29 10:24 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

They also have all of the features planned for V6 which haven't been
implemented yet so they are actually ahead of the current file formats.
I don't know how motivated I am to rip out all of the new stuff and then
add it back in later.


Where the doc is ahead of what has been implemented just add a marker of 
some kind to say Future, or NIY (Not Implemented Yet). Add a note/warning at 
the start of the doc stating that areas of the doc so marked may or may not 
get implemented as documented and that the actual implemenation is subject 
to change.


While you are at it, would you please add in a revision date, file version 
number, and some mention of which version of Kicad is covered by the doc? It 
really helps those of us doing work on external projects related to Kicad.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1.6 Release Update

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On 2020-05-13 4:11 p.m., Rene Pöschl wrote:

You must pull the tagged commit otherwise you get whatever got merged last.


Ok, thank you. With the v6 libraries no longer compatible with v5 I was 
expecting to see a branch, not just a tag. Does this mean the v5 libraries 
are no longer being maintained or will they be branched later if a change is 
required to a v5 library?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1.6 Release Update

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On 2020-05-12 10:36 a.m., Nick Østergaard wrote:

The library is till on github:
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-templates
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-symbols
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-footprints
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-packages3D

The code, translation and docs are on gitlab:
https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad
https://gitlab.com/kicad/code/kicad-i18n
https://gitlab.com/kicad/services/kicad-doc


Are those links valid for both the 5.x and 6.x libraries as long as we pull 
from the right branch?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Cryptic characters in source

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On 2020-02-08 4:32 p.m., ja...@veith.net wrote:
My editor shows non ascii cryptic characters in master cpp source what I 
cannot see in the browser. Here it is underscore M

[snip]

Can anybody confirm this ?


Yes, I can confirm them. They are carriage return (ctrl-M) characters in the 
file.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] File format specifications, again (broken link)

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On 2020-02-07 12:41 p.m., jp charras wrote:

Attached, my latest version of file format documents.


Thanks for the PDF files. They appear to be the same docs I downloaded in 
February of 2017. I looked at a few of the files once again. They have no 
indication of when they were produced, what is the document revision, and 
there is no indication of which version of Kicad they document.


The docs still show the file version number as being "1". This also seems 
wrong as their have been some changes to the file formats for v6 (and v5?).


I realized I have a checkout of a kicad doc repo. When I went to update my 
checkout I found out that a ton of files were reported as modified. Could 
someone please add the following two lines to the .git attributes file in 
https://github.com/KiCad/kicad-doc.git


*.png binary
*.xcf binary

I also got a lot of errors in trying to build the docs in that repo. That 
might be due to a newer version of some program being required to build the 
docs but I couldn't tell from the error messages. It also means I can't tell 
if the file format information in the doc repo is more recent than the files 
I have.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] File format specifications, again (broken link)

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On 2020-02-07 3:41 a.m., Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:

Wayne gave this link recently:

https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stambaughw/kicad/doc-read-only/view/head:/doc/help/file_formats/file_formats.pdf

But it leads to a broken download


I found the actual PDF file at that site. It may not be the version you want 
as it is 6 years old.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] file_formats.pdf doc is gone

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On 2020-01-18 8:16 a.m., Michael Kavanagh wrote:

Here's the source files. I have no idea how old/out of date these are,


I've said it before that whoever maintains the format documents needs to 
include a revision number and/or date of publication in the file to allow 
someone to determine if they have the latest copy or not when comparing files.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Back annotate references from PCB

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On 2019-11-22 2:29 p.m., Brian wrote:
Can someone tell me an example use-case for a single schematic symbol 
corresponding to multiple board entities within a single project?


Here is another example use case.

I drew up the schematic for an LED sign panel. It has 10 8x8 LED blocks in 
two rows of 5 blocks. Each column pair of LED blocks has the same wiring 
with only the component references being different. I could have used a 
single schematic file showing the wiring 5 column pairs of LEDs. I didn't 
actually do that because I either didn't know the feature existed or didn't 
know how to make use of that feature at the time.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] GitLab migration

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On 2019-11-25 11:03 a.m., Seth Hillbrand wrote:
2FA would be using something like Google Authenticator on your phone, a 
YubiKey or SMS message code to verify your login on a computer in addition 
to the password.


It may not affect me as I'm a user of KiCad and occasional reporter of bugs. 
What gitlab activities would require 2FA? Reading the link supplied about 
2FA says it would send a message to a phone. I don't have, or want, a cell 
phone. How would requiring 2FA affect others without a cell phone who want 
to use the gitlab repo site?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Selection appearance options

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On 2019-11-21 11:01 a.m., Jonatan Liljedahl wrote:

Here comes two patches regarding the selection appearance.


I'm just curious as to what is the problem that the proposed patches are 
meant to address? (I may have missed the information in an earlier email).


Is the idea to provide a much more visible indicator of what has been 
selected than just reducing colour saturation, particularly when zoomed out?


One question about the proposed patches. Have they been tested with symbols 
containing the yellow infill?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Interpreting the ARC command

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On 2019-11-14 5:43 p.m., Brian wrote:

On 11/14/19 5:20 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
It is always possible to draw with four contraints if you were to use 
center point, radius, start angle, end angle.


There are different sets of constraints from which to pick.  The set of 
four you described are indeed immune from self-inconsistency problems, but 
as such they don't answer the question of >180 or <180 sweep


Good point. In that case I would change the fourth parameter to sweep angle. 
It would be a value between 0 and 360 and either positive or negative to 
indicate the extant of the arc and its direction of travel.


KiCad has a method for specifying the data for an arc so this is more just 
ideas of other ways it can be done.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Interpreting the ARC command

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On 2019-11-14 4:10 p.m., Brian wrote:
A midpoint makes the arc over-constrained and introduces the potential for a 
case where the arc descriptor is not self-consistent (e.g. one constraint is 
not on the same arc). ??An arc specified by three constraints is always 
possible to draw; one with four might be impossible.


It is always possible to draw with four contraints if you were to use center 
point, radius, start angle, end angle.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Interpreting the ARC command

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On 2019-11-11 7:14 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Take a look at the legacy footprint library file format documentation[1]

[snip]

[1]:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stambaughw/kicad/doc-read-only/download/head:/1115%4016bec504-3128-0410-b3e8-8e38c2123bca:trunk%252Fkicad-doc%252Fdoc%252Fhelp%252Ffile_formats%252Ffile_formats.pdf/file_formats.pdf


I would ask that the person who maintains that document provide some 
indication in the document (ie. a cover page) as to the version of the 
document or the date when it was last updated.


I have also been working on a side project that requires me to know the 
format of some of the KiCad files but I never know for sure if my copy of 
the doc is up to date with the PDF files I find online.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] fp-info-cache question

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On 2019-07-23 11:47 a.m., Seth Hillbrand wrote:
Could we write the global cache in the user's config directory next to where 
we write fp-lib-table?


If we cache global, we might not need project-based caching.


I'm not clear whether you are talking about caches of what items are 
available or a cache of what items are being used. If it is for what items 
are being used in a project then don't get rid of the local cache. Items 
used in a project may be in a global library but global libraries may 
change. I don't want changes in global libraries affecting the version of 
items I'm using in an existing project.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Arc Adjustment proposal

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On 2019-07-10 2:35 p.m., Brian wrote:
I'm not sure I'm convinced that start-mid-end is any more or less immune to 
invalidity than start-center-end.
Instead of start-center-end what about center-start-angle where angle is a 
positive or negative angle to indicate CW or CCW?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Strange program version numbering in KiCad

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On 2019-07-09 9:26 a.m., Steven A. Falco wrote:

I'd vote for the .99 approach, assuming I get a vote. :-)


Using .9 or .99 for the minor version number when the major version number 
is about to go up by 1 is a fairly common numbering system. Someone 
suggested using a tag instead. The problem with using a tag is that it only 
works when you are looking at the source code. The tag isn't visible in the 
top bar of a running program which is where I would like to see a number 
that makes me know for sure which version of code I'm using. It may be that 
I have both 5.1 and master running at the same time.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Strange program version numbering in KiCad

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-07-08 5:10 p.m., Dino Ghilardi wrote:

think about the linux kernel versioning number scheme: even subversion
number means stable release. Odd subversion number means
experimental/development branch.


The kernel used to follow the odd/even numbering scheme but they stopped 
doing that during the 2 series of kernels. It is possible they are doing it 
again. I haven't looked at kernel release numbering in quite a few years.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Strange program version numbering in KiCad

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On 2019-07-08 4:47 p.m., Nick ??stergaard wrote:

How is a number like 99 being any better than the latest release tag?


The release tag doesn't appear in the title bar of the running program.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Strange program version numbering in KiCad

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On 2019-07-08 2:38 p.m., Nick ??stergaard wrote:

@Kevin, And the version is not just the tag and number of commits, but
also the sha1.


That is true when reporting bugs. I don't care about the sha1 when I want to 
make sure I am running the right version of KiCad. That is particularly 
important now that the file formats are no longer compatible between 5.1 and 
master.


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[Kicad-developers] Strange program version numbering in KiCad

[Kevin Cozens]

Greetings, all.

I just ran across something odd with the version number shown by the KiCad 
program(s).


I compiled and installed git master. When I ran it the version number 
reported is 5.1.0.1195. As I also compile and run the 5.1 version I thought 
I had a mix up when I did the compile. When I checked my 5.1 install it has 
5.1.2.109 as the version number.


I would expect git master to report a version number higher than the 5.1 
branch. Perhaps 5.2, or even as high as 5.9 as it is going to be released as 
6 something, IIRC.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pcbnew file format

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On 2019-07-05 3:55 p.m., Jeff Young wrote:

No, thats just LaunchPad ???helping??? out. ??Heres a 
bitmap of it

ok, thanks Jeff.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pcbnew file format

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On 2019-07-05 2:05 p.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Looks good to me.  If no one else objects, I see no reason not not to
merge it.

[snip]

On 2019-07-05 09:46, Jeff Young wrote:

On 5 Jul 2019, at 12:19, Jeff Young  wrote:
(setup
(last_trace_width 0.25)
(trace_clearance 0.2)


No indenting to make it a little easier for humans to spot the start/end of 
blocks of settings?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Arc editing in LibEdit

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On 2019-07-01 7:21 a.m., Jeff Young wrote:

Its on master (and so is in nightlies).
Thanks, Jeff. The feature sounded experimental. I thought it might have been 
put in to a branch or made avaialable as a separate patch for testing.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Arc editing in LibEdit

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On 6/29/19 11:12 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

So Ive rewritten the LibEdit arc point handling to keep the end-points 
invariant when editing other points.


Which branch of code includes the changes to LibEdit?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH pcbnew half-rotate actions and shortcuts

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-06-10 6:35 p.m., Andrew Lutsenko wrote:
I like to keep rotation angle set to 90 because that covers 98% of cases and 
is it's faster to press R two or three times instead of 4 or 6 times (I 
frequently go the wrong way around since unfortunately R in pcbnew rotates 
ccw and R in eeschema rotates cw, that is something that should be made 
consistent).


Hm... I can't say I had really noticed that the rotation directions are 
opposite between the two. After a quick test I noticed that you can rotate 
something in the default direction but if you go too far you have to hit R 
more times to "back up".


It would be useful to have R to do rotations in one direction and either 
Ctrl+R or Shift+R to do rotations in the other.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pcbnew display origin transforms for v6

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On 2019-05-06 8:11 a.m., John Beard wrote:
* Tell people to use 3.9 or later (actually I don't know what options we 
have need what versions).
I recently found an online clang configuration tool as I'm thinking of 
adding in git hooks to force a developer to follow a coding style we've 
talked about.


The configuation tool I found lets you select which version of clang you 
want to use and then only shows you the valid options for that version.


Have a look at https://zed0.co.uk/clang-format-configurator/

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Re: [Kicad-developers] kicad_pcb, kicad_mod format change for daily build?

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On 2019-04-21 12:46 p.m., Jeff Young wrote:

KiCad will read them in either way (quoted or un-quoted).

KiCad has always written them out with quotes if they had spaces in them (so 
other tools have always needed to handle quotes).

Were just being more consistent now as theres no justification 
for ???saving a few characters??? in this day and age (and going 
forward it will make things easier).

[snip]

(layers
(0 F.Cu signal)
(31 B.Cu signal)

(layers
(0 "F.Cu" signal)
(31 "B.Cu" signal)


Thanks for the reply, Jeff. I'll check whether my Perl scripts include the 
quotes. I'm also going to bump the file format version I'm outputting to the 
files I generate and hope there aren't any undocumented changes that will 
give KiCad a problem when it tries to read the schematic and/or library file.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] eeSchema V6 - any thoughts as to tabbed schematics?

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On Fri, 3 May 2019 at 14:06, Brian Piccioni  wrote:

Currently you have to open another instance of eeSchema or click through
to sheets in order to see other sheets. Tabs would be more convenient
than clicking on a sheet (or multiple levels of sheets), backing out,
etc., at least in many circumstances.


That is an interesting idea. It could become an option in addition to the 
current sheet navigation system. A new option could be added which would be 
something like "Pin sheet to tab".


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Re: [Kicad-developers] eemodern branch

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On 2019-04-29 1:13 p.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

On 4/29/19 12:56 PM, Andy Peters wrote:


(And now the nattering nabobs of negativity on the EEVBlog forum will have one 
less thing about which to complain.)



I'm not holding my breath on that.


Naw... they will just find something else to complain about.

Being able to easily copy/paste between schematics will be a very welcome 
feature. Not too long ago I was telling someone on IRC how to do it using 
eeschema by running it separately from the top level KiCad program.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Project annuouncement.

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On 2019-04-27 2:05 p.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
For those you who haven't heard yet, I made the announcement yesterday at 
KiCon that I am now work for WIT and I will be working full time on KiCad.  
I really excited about the possibilities for KiCad going forward.


Congratulations, Wayne. I heard about the announcement from an EEVblog video 
I watched earlier today. Exciting times ahead.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] kicad_pcb, kicad_mod format change for daily build?

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On 15 Apr 2019, at 13:56, easyw  wrote:
recently I have noticed that both kicad_pcb and kicad_mod seems to have changed 
their format.
It have been introduced double quotes for layers pads etc.

[snip]

(layers
(0 F.Cu signal)
(31 B.Cu signal)

(layers
(0 "F.Cu" signal)
(31 "B.Cu" signal)


When I was asking about an updated file format document I was told "There 
have been virtually no changes to the file format other than how symbol 
library links are defined for a very long time."


I consider it a file format change if quotes weren't needed before but they 
are now. It is the type of information I need to be sure I'm generating 
files in the proper format to avoid possibly having to go through the 
migration process.


There may be other change(s) I may need to know about because the version 
number in the files has been bumped since the current file format doc was 
written. The files I'm generating are a version behind and have to go 
through a migration process when I try and open them. I don't fully trust 
the migration process.


I hope someone can update the docs after KiCon, or perhaps someone can point 
me to which file(s) generate the schematic files used by eeschema.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 release

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On 2019-03-10 5:39 p.m., Adam Wolf wrote:

Nick, is the docs tarball ready?


That is an interesting question. Who maintains the file format doc? The only 
version I can find is over 2 years old. I'm writing a script to convert the 
files from a schematic capture program I used to use in to a format that can 
be used by KiCad.


Currently the versions of the schematic parts library and schematic file I'm 
generating are each a version behind what KiCad is now using.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH 2/3] Fix line endings in pcb_calculator_frame_base.fbp

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-03-19 11:06 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

I wasn't aware we were converting all wxFormbuilder file line endings to
unix.  I was under the impression that git could handle either


Typical use is to use unix line endings in the repository and use the 
autocrlf feature of git to change the line endings to the native format on 
checkout. The line endings will be saved in unix standard on file checkin.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Option to not render 3D models for footprints

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2019-03-14 4:30 a.m., Oliver Walters wrote:
This has gone unresolved for a while now - if I put in some effort to rebase 
this, is there any likelihood it will be accepted?Â


This patchset does involve a file format change to the PCB file but it is 
backwards compatible and introduces a useful new feature.


What feature is being added? AFAIK, you can control the display of 3D models 
in the dialog that lets you select a model and you can disable the display 
of 3D part models in the 3D viewer.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] V6 merge update

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On 2019-02-22 5:20 a.m., Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
At the minimum I would appreciate if clear notice is given when a new file 
format change is introduced and how it affects compatibility.
The mentions of upcoming file format changes raises the question of whether 
the file format document is up to date with all the changes. Will it also 
include information about upcoming changes to the format for v6 or would 
that information be placed in a separate version of the file format docs?


I'm mainly interested in the file format used by eeschema. Before I started 
using KiCad I used an old Windows based schematic capture program. I started 
writing some scripts to convert the schematic files created by that program 
in to files that will be compatible with KiCad.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [patch] GAL pixel alignment

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On 2019-02-10 5:26 p.m., Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:

The 3 attached patches add pixel alignment while drawing strokes in GAL
(both Cairo and OpenGL), resulting in sharp and uniform width lines
regardless of the zoom level and antialiasing settings.


Thank you, Tomasz. I just applied it to my copy of git master that I compile 
for Linux. Eeschema looks good once more. Before the patch I really didn't 
like how it looked at some of the zoom levels. The way it looked had me 
sticking to v5. Now I can start using v6 more.


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[Kicad-developers] A trivial bug in a displayed string

[Kevin Cozens]

Greetings.

For both the v5 and git master versions of Kicad in the file 
drc_erc_item.cpp on line 46 there is the string:

   Pin connected to some others pins but no pin to drive it

There should be no s on "others". The string might be better as:
   Pin connected to other pins but no pin to drive it

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Some of our symbols currently still have invisible power pins. We want to fix this but want to give you guys a chance for input first.

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On 2018-11-07 7:55 a.m., Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Am 2018-11-06 16:41, schrieb Rene Pöschl:

Sadly we did not come around to fix all symbols before the v5 release.

[snip]>> Do we need to do this during 5.1?  Or can it simply be done in the v6

branch of the libraries?

If we need to do this during 5.1, I guess I'd prefer option 2 for right
now as that is minimally disruptive.


I agree.  If we push this off to v6 then options 1 and 3 are in play.  I
would probably lean towards option 1 to avoid having multiple libraries
with essentially the same symbols.  The rescue feature should catch any
pin changes although we may want to test a symbol or two before we make
the changes to the library.


When I first read the options I was thinking that option 3 might be the best 
option long term.


How will not hiding pins affect IC's with multiple parts (e.g. a 7400)? Will 
each part have the power and ground pins?


If hidden power pins was supposed to have helped with auto-connection of 
power rails it seems it only worked with power rails with the same type. I 
have a schematic where I have had to manually tie VDD, VCC, and +5V together 
and also tied VSS and GND together.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Notice: GAL branch pushed to master

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On 2018-10-09 08:11 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Let the bug reports begin!  Maybe we should give some sort of prize to
the first person who complains that they like the old wxDC canvas better. ;)


The first comment I have about the change is that my preference settings 
were affected. When I opened a schematic for the first time after building 
git master this morning I had the schematic using lines for the grid instead 
of dots that I have been using since I started using KiCad.


I will have to see if there are any other noticeable changes.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] New version of net selector up

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On 2018-09-29 11:55 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

It already works that way.  (There’s an implied * at the start and at the end 
of the filter text.)

[snip]

On 29 Sep 2018, at 16:52, Kevin Cozens  wrote:
Will the filtering feature eventually find all nets containing the entered 
string rather than just nets that start with the entered text?


Hm... ok. That wasn't the impression I got from the video. I thought I saw 
some nets that should have been listed when text started to be entered but 
they weren't shown.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] New version of net selector up

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-09-29 10:37 AM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
Here's another screencast from 6.0.0-rc1-dev-644-g26838c680. Keys and mouse 
are captured with key-mon.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ce8_xBQpwVsCEReSu1cDDqio2SwNGMTd/view?usp=sharing

[snip]

3. Filtering takes and shows characters, but it doesn't work.


Will the filtering feature eventually find all nets containing the entered 
string rather than just nets that start with the entered text?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Code style autoformat

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On 2018-09-22 07:18 AM, Zoltan Gyarmati wrote:

As Seth (rightfully) pointed out, my patch didn't fully follow the coding
guidelines. Before i started to manually fix the issues, i looked whether
there is any infrastructure for autoformatting in the source tree, and i
found:
* a clang-format config file (_clang-format)
* an uncrustify config file (uncrustify.cfg)
* a script for checking code style in changed files (tools/checkcoding.py)

[snip]> So my questions are:

* Is there any canonized ruleset for autoformatting the code?


I don't know if there is any official ruleset for use with auto-formatting 
code. FWIW, there is one program that I've used to format (mostly C) code 
that wasn't mentioned. The program is called indent.


Out of the box indent may not format the code the way you want it to appear. 
It has a lot of options, that you can put in to a file, which allow you to 
customize how it will reformat code.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Ubuntu PPA for Kicad 5: unmet dependencies

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On 2018-09-12 12:18 PM, Kaspar Emanuel wrote:

Looks like the issue might be that libwxgtk3 is at 3.0.0 in 14.04
 and KiCad wants 3.0.2


Yes, that would be the problem. You will either need a PPA for a newer 
version of wx or you will have to build and install a newer version.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Ubuntu PPA for Kicad 5: unmet dependencies

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On 2018-09-12 08:06 AM, Kaspar Emanuel wrote:

I just tried switching to the new kicad-5 PPA fot that but I am running
into an installation error

[snip]

The following packages have unmet dependencies: kicad : Depends:
libwxbase3.0-0 (>= 3.0.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends:
libwxgtk3.0-0 (>= 3.0.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends:
python-wxgtk3.0 but it is not installable


Do you have wx 3.0 installed on your machine?
Do you have python-wxgtk3 installed?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Anything I can do for GALification?

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-08-27 03:43 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

But when I do a make install I’m getting:

[  1%] creating 'boost scratch repo' specifically for boost to track boost 
patches

make[2]: bzr: No such file or directory
make[2]: *** 
[../.downloads-by-cmake/boost_1_54_0/src/boost-stamp/boost-bzr_init_boost] 
Error 1

make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/boost.dir/all] Error 2

Is there something different about this repo, or did I perform some step on 
the main repo that I’ve now forgotten?


bzr is a program used for the Bazaar version control software. It might have 
been trying to use that to download the boost files from a remote code 
repository. Install the bzr package on your system.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Update doxygen logo

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-08-05 08:22 AM, John Beard wrote:

Eagle-eyed (is that an offensive slur on a KiCad list?) Nick noticed
that the doxygen header logo is actually slightly incorrect.
Presumably I used the wrong file for a source, not sure where it came
from!

Attached are the two versions: spot the difference!


I see the differences between the two. Which one is the correct one that 
will be used? The first or the second?


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [RFC] Op-amp symbol icons

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-07-26 06:00 AM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

Hmm, tough choice

[snip]
The reason I kept 6C is because the other icons might only look good in 1px 
body.


6D looks too close and 6B looks too far, so unless there's an intermediate 
that'll look good (doesn't matter if it's on the grid or not) then the 
concession has to be made towards one or the other based again on how the 
other icons might look.


the images are too small for me to tell which one I would prefer to see in a 
schematic. I would need to see them in context.


All I ask is that if someone is going to mess around with the symbol for one 
of the more commonly used schematic symbols that you keep the same size and 
position of the pins. This will avoid breaking existing schematics. The last 
time someone changed the R symbol it was made narrower and the two pins of 
the part no longer extended out far enough to meet up with the wires on my 
schematics. I had to adjust all the wires going to a resistor to reconnect them.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] 5.1 UI feedback

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On 2018-07-18 08:32 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Attached are the updated screen shots.


One minor point. In the first screen shot the icon with the books and 
magnifying glass is on the right side of the dialog the first time it 
appears but is just after the end of the entry field the second time it appears.


It would look a little better if they were in the same relative horizontal 
position.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Vacation

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On 2018-06-30 11:53 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
Tomorrow morning I will be leaving for vacation and out of the country 
all next week.

[snip]

I will be in Paris, France during this week.


Bonnes vacances.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Fix overbar drawing for non-italic text

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-06-22 10:35 AM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:
If you try to shorten the right side of the bar, for some characters it will 
look really bad, and in case of "I" it will turn into dot.

This is before patch:


Thanks for the detailed before and after images. They more clearly show the 
issues with the appearance of the bar.


The after does look better but there is a little more overhang on the left 
side than on the right. I may be picking nits but what bothers me is the 
inconsistent behaviour of the before. The bar starts at the left edge of the 
letter H but starts after the left edge of the V.


I would have expected the bar start position would be based on the left edge 
of the letter below it and extend to the right edge of the last letter. I am 
wondering if the patch covers up a more fundamental problem.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Save through hole pads color to config file

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On 2018-06-22 06:56 AM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:
From ebfb1d5cc9ebdeddaa518f14e7c86b7e5c1bbdaa Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 
From: Andrzej Wolski  Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018

01:35:05 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] Save through hole pads color to config
file


This seems like it changes the contents of an existing file. Is this a file
entry that is already documented? If not, someone needs to update the
documentation for the config file.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Fix overbar drawing for non-italic text

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-06-22 07:01 AM, Andrzej Wolski wrote:

This is an illustration of what this patch do:
https://imgur.com/a/GxIeLkA


Hm... did the patch go the wrong way with the change to the position and 
length of the bar over non-italicized text? Before the bar started at the 
left side of the letter and extends past the right side of the letter. After 
it starts before the letter and extends past the right side. Contrast that 
to italicized text where the bar starts and ends based on the left-most and 
right-most part of the drawn letter.


I think a patch should shorten the right-hand extent of the bar over 
non-italicized text so it is only over the letter.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] strange debug output

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On 2018-04-15 03:30 PM, Marco Ciampa wrote:

When I fire kicad->pcbnew from command line I see these strange messages:

15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'PNG file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'JPEG file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'TIFF file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'GIF file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'PNM file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'PCX file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'IFF file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'Windows icon file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'Windows cursor file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'Windows animated cursor 
file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'TGA file'
15:01:34: Debug: Adding duplicate image handler for 'XPM file'


I just updated my Kicad build and I see the same messages.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] New Footprint libs and wizard issues

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On 2018-04-09 10:21 AM, jp charras wrote:

It has an issue: if I try to enter a lowercase char, it is converted to the 
corresponding uppercase
char (as expected), but the cursor moves to the beginning of the text after the 
char is inserted.


The simplest solution is to do the conversion from lowercase letters to 
uppercase after the input field loses focus.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] New Footprint libs and wizard issues

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On 2018-04-07 06:42 PM, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:

Agreed, hereis a patch for that :)

- Kristoffer

On 2018-04-06 17:18, Kevin Cozens wrote:

[snip]
I added MYSYSMOD as a custom path ages ago. What I find odd about the 
dialog boxes that let you add paths is that they won't accept lower case 


Thanks for the patch, kristoffer. I haven't tested it yet. I did notice a 
couple of things when I had a look at the patch file. In one comment you had 
the word "lovercase" instead of "lowercase". The other is about code style. 
I don't know what the code style is for KiCad but it appears to me that you 
used tabs when indenting lines where the rest of the code is using spaces.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] New Footprint libs and wizard issues

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On 2018-04-06 06:30 AM, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
Attached is a patch that adds support for custom environment paths. 
Previously the wizard would only accept KISYSMOD, KIPRJMOD and the github one.


I added MYSYSMOD as a custom path ages ago. What I find odd about the dialog 
boxes that let you add paths is that they won't accept lower case letters in 
the name of the environment variable. If you type a lowercase letter nothing 
happens on the screen. If it doesn't want lowercase it should force what you 
entered to uppercase when you are done entering the variable name.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] rc2

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On 2018-04-02 06:42 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Things have quieted down quit a bit so we should be close to an rc2
release.  I saw a 3D viewer crash report but it looks like it might be a
video driver issue.  Are there any other outstanding issues we need to
fix before rc2 is tagged?


I am seeing a problem with CvPcb where it fails to show me any DIP package 
options when I select a 7400 IC on a board. I need to file a report about 
the problem.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] What is the purpose of multiple 3D models?

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On 2018-03-31 01:04 PM, jp charras wrote:

A TO3 package with its heat-sink needs six 3D shapes (for guys who really 
*like* realistic 3D views
of course...):
the TO3 package.
its heat-sink.
2 nuts.
2 bolts.


Add one more if the TO-3 is in a socket. :)

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Re: [Kicad-developers] crash on last commits running cvpcb...

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On 2018-03-25 07:54 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

Fix committed.

If someone on Linux could try it out that would be great….


CvPcb no longer crashes on startup on my Linux based machine.

I still can't use it to assign a footprint from Package_DIP to a 7400 IC on 
my board but that is another problem.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pushed change

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On 2018-03-12 05:03 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

Well, my build is still running so I can’t confirm the fixes yet, but since I 
already broke the build for some I went ahead and pushed “fixes”.


My build with latest hash code of f32f14dc8 completed without error.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pushed change

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On 2018-03-12 03:19 PM, Jeff Young wrote:

I just pushed a change which removes a bunch of unnecessary boilerplate.

But it occurs to me that maybe it’s necessary with pickier compilers?  
Anyway, if someone could try it on Windows and/or Unix that would be great.
Oops. Something broke. I'm using g++ (Ubuntu 5.4.0-6ubuntu1~16.04.9) 5.4.0 
20160609 under Linux Mint 18.3



/home/user/Projects/Kicad/kicad/cvpcb/cvpcb_mainframe.cpp: In member 
function ‘void CVPCB_MAINFRAME::UpdateTitle()’:
/home/user/Projects/Kicad/kicad/cvpcb/cvpcb_mainframe.cpp:740:43: error: 
operands to ?: have different types ‘const wxChar* {aka const wchar_t*}’ and 
‘const wxString’
   fn.IsFileWritable() ? wxEmptyString : _( " [Read 
Only]" ) );

   ^
/home/user/Projects/Kicad/kicad/cvpcb/cvpcb_mainframe.cpp:740:43: note: 
and each type can be converted to the other
cvpcb/CMakeFiles/cvpcb_kiface.dir/build.make:326: recipe for target 
'cvpcb/CMakeFiles/cvpcb_kiface.dir/cvpcb_mainframe.cpp.o' failed

make[2]: *** [cvpcb/CMakeFiles/cvpcb_kiface.dir/cvpcb_mainframe.cpp.o] Error 1
CMakeFiles/Makefile2:817: recipe for target 
'cvpcb/CMakeFiles/cvpcb_kiface.dir/all' failed

make[1]: *** [cvpcb/CMakeFiles/cvpcb_kiface.dir/all] Error 2
Makefile:149: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Git noob question

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On 2018-03-11 11:52 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
That sounds a bit risky. Using the stash and popping can make you lose your 
local changes if you decide to abort a potential merge conflict. IIRC. 
Commiting changes are generally safer. Or you could use git stash apply instead.


The risk of lose comes from how you try to resolve the merge conflict that 
arises from trying to apply the stashed changes whether you use pop or 
apply. When applying stashed changes triggers a merge conflict the stashed 
changes stay stashed. If you try to abort a merge git will say there is no 
merge in progress. If you tell git to reset the source tree it will tell you 
that there is a merge in progress so it won't reset the tree.


You then have code in a Heisenberg box situation. The code is simultaneously 
in the middle of a merge and not in the middle of a merge. The only really 
safe way to protect against potential merge conflict when you go to apply 
the stashed changes is to save the output of a "git diff" before you stash 
changes not yet commited.


Subversion was much better about dealing with conflicts. It would tell you 
there is a conflict but apply changes to files so you could see the before 
and after. You then had to manually fix the conflicts. No loss of changes 
and no being unable to access what the changes were. I've had no success 
trying to save stashed changes as a file so I could manually fix a merge 
conflict.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Git noob question

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-03-03 03:50 PM, Maciej Suminski wrote:
If we are speaking about git tips - I think 'git pull --rebase' is even 
simpler in this case.


I have a script I call "gitpull" that does that but it also does a "git 
stash" before the pull and a "git stash pop" after the pull.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Potential issue with 49486b83

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On 2018-03-06 02:19 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
I’m going to merge a conditional compilation fix for this (I agree that we 
don’t want to chase anyone away from the debug versions).


I'll test the patch on my machine when you have it ready. Thanks, Jeff.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Potential issue with 49486b83

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On 2018-03-06 01:40 PM, Steven A. Falco wrote:

I just finished building 49486b83 for Linux (Fedora 27) and immediately upon 
starting eechema from the main kicad window, I get an assert in 
src/gtk/scrolwin.cpp at line 213.


I ran across the same problem yesterday and filed a bug report.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753592

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Git noob question

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On 2018-03-02 03:28 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
Before I go and make a hash of everything, can someone please validate the 
following.


I have a bunch of 6.0 work on my master.

I have a 5.0stable branch that I use for 5.0.

If I want to push changes for RC2, I’d do:

git push origin 5.0stable:master


I don't like git. I only use it because I have no choice when working with 
some Open Source projects. I try to keep my use of git simple. In the case 
you describe I would have multiple copies of Kicad in different directories.


For example, kicad-master, kicad-5.0, and kicad-6 (or named based on which 
version you are working on). In those directories I use git gui to create a 
branch that tracks an upstream branch. By doing that I only need to use the 
standard "git push" command to push changes and the changes go to the proper 
branch. I don't need to specify things like "origin" or a branch name.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] PPA: KiCad 5.0

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On 2018-02-26 05:15 AM, Maciej Sumiński wrote:

Does it mean there are no more documentation updates for 5.0
foreseen/accepted?

Have the file format docs been updated to reflect the recent changes?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] IPC-2581

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On 2018-02-20 11:19 AM, Ouabache Designworks wrote:

Does Kicad have anyone working with these folks?

[snip]


http://www.ipc2581.com/articles-and-blogs/


I took a look at the website. It sounds interesting but they don't have a 
lot of information available on the site. Part of what I see is what I 
consider one of those typical industry things where you need to join the 
organization in order to gain access to the information. I suspect that to 
get a copy of the actual standard you will have to give them some money at 
some point.


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[Kicad-developers] Update needed for AUTHORS.txt file

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Greetings.

Some time ago one of the messages to this mailing list made me look at the 
AUTHORS.txt file. It says "See also CHANGELOG.txt for contributors." but 
there is no such file.


The most recent changelog file is the CHANGELOG-2012.txt file. The comment 
about where to look for the names of contributors not listed in the AUTHORS 
file needs a change in wording.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] building without ngspice?

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On 2018-02-13 10:50 AM, Adam Wolf wrote:

I am trying to build from master, but even with -DKICAD_SPICE=OFF, I'm getting:

CMake Error: The following variables are used in this project, but
they are set to NOTFOUND.


I ran across the same problem. If you run cmake without setting the SPICE 
setting to OFF you need to remove the CMakeCache.txt file and run cmake 
again with -DKICAD_SPICE=OFF.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Stable branch update

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On 2018-02-12 12:52 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

Obviously I did not get the stable 5 branch created over the weekend.  I
was busy patch reviewing and merging.

[snip]> I should be able to get v5 branched this weekend so going forward we

have a few bugs tagged for rc2 which I'm hoping take less than a month
to complete.


Text rotation in pcbnew is another item that needs to be looked at (again). 
I provided a patch to allow R to rotate text to any multiple of 90 degrees. 
Since the patch was accepted in to the code base some other code change has 
limited the rotations of text to 0 or 90 degrees once again. Half the text 
on a PCB of mine is now upside down.


I've been busy on a couple of projects so I haven't yet filed a bug report 
about this regression. I will file a report asap.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pads front and F.Cu visibility, possible bugs?

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On 2018-02-08 07:02 AM, kristoffer Ödmark wrote:
for example, disbling rendering of front footprints disables all the F.Silk, 
F.Fab, adhesive and many more.


Disabling the rendering of Text on the front only disables text belonging to 
a footprint, no other. Basically the Render tab does not do what it says at 
all.


A lot of this seems to because of what is set in pcb_draw_panel_gal.cpp:417

There is a lot of SetRequired-> (layer, layer)

And that implementation seems broken, could someone shed some light on the 
purpose there?
Is turning layers on and off being done partly through some automatic 
feature of GAL? If so, and it appears it can't handle all the situations 
possible when turning on/off layers in the right-hand side options extra 
code could be added to turn on/off appropriate layers or features based 
after a change is made to the layer/feature visibility options.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pads front and F.Cu visibility, possible bugs?

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On 2018-02-07 04:25 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

If you use legacy renderer then turn off Pads Front and Pads Back under
the Render tab on the right the pads disappear. If you are in GAL mode
they remain visible.



Given that the legacy canvas will hopefully be removed in the v6
development cycle, I guess this issue will go away.


True, but I wanted to point out that as far as I was concerned it hasn't 
always been this way. I would still expect the pads to disappear if I turn 
off display of front and back pads.


[Oops. Sending again as I meant to send it to the list.]

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Pads front and F.Cu visibility, possible bugs?

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On 2018-02-07 04:04 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:

I agree with you on this.  I don't know why the layer setting is ignored
and the pads are shown anyway but it's always been this way.  I would
rather the logic be to respect the layer setting.


If you use legacy renderer then turn off Pads Front and Pads Back under the 
Render tab on the right the pads disappear. If you are in GAL mode they 
remain visible.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] KiCad talk at FOSDEM

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On 2018-02-05 01:24 AM, Andrey Kuznetsov wrote:

The talk is now up!


Thanks for the heads up. I watched the video talk. As I have been using git 
master for quite a while now I knew about most of the new features 
mentioned. I didn't know about the node highlighting until I heard Wayne 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] Dealing with multifunction pins (Symbol)

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On 2018-02-04 05:53 AM, Simon Richter wrote:

On 30.01.2018 16:01, Augusto Fraga Giachero wrote:


I've been designing schematics with some stm32 parts using the standard
Kicad libraries, and a lot of these microcontrollers has 10+ functions
multiplexed in each I/O pin.

[snip]

That is one of the reasons why I started on the pin table.


Support for multifunction pins would be nice to have. I have seen a similar 
problem with the ATMEL AVR parts in the libraries. The symbols are very wide 
so that all the pin functions can be listed for each pin.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] GUI garbage...?

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On 2018-02-02 03:24 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:

https://misc.c4757p.com/kicad-is-very-broken.png

Anyone have any idea what could possibly cause this...?


What are we supposed to see in that image? Which operating system are you using?

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Is this OSX-specific or not?

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On 2018-01-26 09:59 AM, Jeff Young wrote:

I’m trying to see if a bug is OSX-specific or not.

Open board in pcbnew.
Open Plot dialog.
Click on the Run DRC button at the bottom.
Click on Cancel in the DRC dialog.

Can you now close the Plot dialog?


I'm using Linux and I am able to close the Plot dialog box.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] Any devs using Linux / Mint able to reproduce 1706457?

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-01-22 03:52 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
It’s a crash bug that has been reported by a couple of users: 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1706457 .


Can we reproduce it?


I had something similar happen to me after I had applied an update to my 
video card drivers. I needed to reboot the machine in order to make the 
problem go away.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] [PATCH] Fix for 3D model offset

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-01-10 09:05 AM, Jörg Hermann wrote:

Wayne disapproves the introduction of a version number. While I see the benefit 
- data format is always crystal clear, it makes parsers more complex all the 
time. From a maintenance pov I agree with Wayne, not introducing a version 
number.


With all the changes people will see in the latest version of Kicad adding 
in a version number now would be worthwhile, even if it isn't used within Kicad.


There may be some 3rd party tools that would be able to use the existance 
(or not) of a version number to know what units were used for the 3D model 
offset.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Libedit and Modedit Icons

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-01-09 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
(I can't tell you how often i clicked load symbol instead 
of update symbol while working on the reorganization of the official lib.)


Pop up tooltips when the mouse is over the icons can also help with that 
problem.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] Default Canvas for v5

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-12-31 12:35 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:

We could also write about this in the release notes.


That would be a good idea. +1

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Re: [Kicad-developers] small heads-up...

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-12-29 09:50 AM, Marco Ciampa wrote:

Open and see for yourself...

eeschema/dialogs/dialog_bom_editor.cpp:263: warning: unterminated string literal


I don't immediately see why it would say that. I do see that the line has a 
typo. The string in line 262 starts with "Symbo Table" instead of "Symbol 
Table".


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Re: [Kicad-developers] "Won't Fix" candidates

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2017-12-28 02:41 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
The bug database is a bit on the unwieldy side.  I think we should clean out 
those bugs that we aren’t ever going to fix.


You don't want to delete bugs that you won't ever fix. Close them and mark 
them as "won't fix". If someone else tries to report the same bug in the 
future they will (possibly) see the old report and see that it is something 
that won't be fixed so they won't bother to file a new report.


That assumes they properly check for an old/existing bug report before 
filing a new report.


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