Re: KR> wheel alignment

[Gary via KRnet]

Thanks to all for the insight into wheel alignment specific to your KR 
handling.


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Re: KR> Melting lead

[Gary via KRnet]

I found it easy with a tin can and propane torch.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 28, 2017, at 1:06 AM, Ken Hurley via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> So when the wife takes cooking utensil and makes contact with skull you
> are now officially called a "pot head"!
> 
> On Jan 27, 2017 11:09 PM, "Bill Masquelier via KRnet" 
> wrote:
> 
>> I melt lead easily over an old Coleman camping stove in an old (junk) pot-
>> no problem
>> 
>> Bill Masquelier
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: KRnet  on behalf of Paul Visk via
>> KRnet 
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 7:26 PM
>> To: KR EMAIL BOARD
>> Cc: Paul Visk
>> Subject: KR> Melting lead
>> 
>> First a comment before my question.  In the book it says to use an old pot
>> to melt lead down for the aileron counter weight.  I'll give you some
>> advise. What you consider an old pot is might be different then what your
>> wife considers an old pot is. Be forewarned??
>> 
>> How do you melt a 5 lbs chunk of lead on the stove? I did an internet
>> search.  Lead melts at 621 degrees.  I'm not even getting close to that.
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Visk
>> 
>> Belleville Il.
>> 
>> 618-406-4705
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KR> wheel alignment

[Gary via KRnet]

Does anyone know of archive information or wish to share regarding wheel 
alignment for KR tail wheel configurations?


Wheels straight, toe in or out?  (In level attitude or all wheels 
down.)  And what about camber?


How is the handling for width of wheel base vs. length from mains to tail?

According to Bingelis, which ever school of thought you use, make it the 
same on both sides.  So what are the thoughts for the KR?


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KR> Deihl landing gear question...

[Gary]

On 12/15/2016 9:25 AM, Gary via KRnet wrote:
> Can anyone say what this angle is on the landing gear when not
> loaded by aircraft weight?
>
>
There was a sketch.  But I'm looking for the angle between axle and 
horizontal.

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KR> Deihl landing gear question...

[Gary]

Can anyone say what this angle is on the landing gear when not
loaded by aircraft weight?


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KR> For Sale

[Gary]

Selling a certified Cont O-200.  5 hours SMOH.  Includes accessories, 
carb, engine mount, SS exhaust with carb and cabin heat, Ed Sterba prop, 
spinner, and Grand Rapids EIS4000 engine monitor.  All for $18k.

Interested?  Call me 512-508-1729 or email gary769rv at verizon.net

Merry Christmas to all.

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KR> Diehl landing gear...

[Gary]

Is the Diehl landing gear glued and bolted to spar?  Do the bolts alone 
prevent any slip/movement between bracket and spar?
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KR> Fwd: for sale

[Gary]

I'm selling this project.  I built for experimental exercise but had 
enough.  It was fun and educational but no longer interested in putting 
more time into correcting wing/aileron design to make it fly right.  I 
had made two wild and crazy flights to determine full width outboard 
wing flaperons did not work as well as designed and maybe too much 
elevator.  It has completely rebuilt O-200 with 4.6 hours.  $32k 
invested.  If interested, take it off line to discuss.  See pictures on 
dropbox link: 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8dh89j0jjeznjtc/AACOjj5PHkpKIg9wKl7DcK46a?dl=0
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KR> First flight, Finally

[Gary]

On 11/1/2016 2:08 PM, Steven Bedford via KRnet wrote:
> Just curious, what type of tail wheel spring do you have. Wow everybody 
> flying but me.
>
>
> Steve Bedford
>
> Kr2s Builder
>
>
>
> Sent from my LG Mobile
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> -- Original message--
>
> From: Gary via KRnet
>
> Date: Sat, Oct 29, 2016 4:41 PM
>
> To: KRnet;
>
> Cc: Gary;
>
> Problem with tail wheel spring
>
> too light for it hit the bottom of my rudder. What a ride!
>
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Leaf spring, 1/4 inch x 1-3/4 from ez go golf cart.

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KR> First flight, Finally

[Gary]

*
*
*Today is historic here as well.  N769KR took to the air for first 
time.  I found the rudder and elevator was okay but ailerons highly 
sensitive.  Took off from ground like a bat out of h... I'm thinking 
STOL performance.  Maybe my imagination. Problem with tail wheel spring 
too light for it hit the bottom of my rudder. What a ride!
Happy flying.




Gary Hamilton
Georgetown,TX
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KR> Foreign KR fun.

[Gary Ainsworth]

Colin
I understood "TOILET" (plastic pee bottle) and "SPARE" ( as in spare 
tire) the rest was lost.
Thanks for the 'foreign fun' It's Friday (on our side -lol-)!! have a 
good one. (Canadian Thanksgiving on Monday woo-hoo !!)
Gary - Canada

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Subject: KR> Foreign KR fun.

A bit of foreign KR fun...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbUEH1dPXuY
Colin.

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KR> Insurance...

[Gary]

Getting serious...

Is there any consensuses regarding a preferred insurance carrier and 
cost?  I know this can be highly variable but I'm looking for some 
guideline.

I received one quote for a KR1, liability and hull coverage nearly twice 
the cost I had on my RV7. (over $3k)  What's with that?

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KR> WW Award

[Gary Ainsworth]

I have been following the Corvair ?authority? since 2003 and found this 
this morning. Looks good on him!
see:  
http://www.eaa.org/en/eaa/eaa-news-and-aviation-news/news/09-29-2016-homebuilders-major-achievement-award-presented-to-william-wynne?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTWpneE1XWTROV1l5TkRVMiIsInQiOiI4SGtEVHNUbzcxcGRDeEtybWJsQ1A2SHhWdWczcGZacDkrSzdQUVdDZ0pJbTZqdHhJMlhTM0Z3UGxWdVJUQnVNRDB5d1RvdHlBUm94bXEyQWZcL1kwXC8zYnp3YmsrZk9UdjlheExjN3gxQWJ3PSJ9



Gary ? Canada   
garyains?at?kwic.com

KR> new airfoil modifications

[Gary]

On 10/3/2016 5:58 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
> Kayak Chris wrote:
>
>> Dumb question, can I assume this suggestion applies to the kr1 kr1.5
>> etc (all kr variants) as well?
>
> Probably so.  Few people build KR1's anymore (it's usually a KR2S 
> that's narrowed a bit), so nobody's built a KR1 with the new airfoil, 
> but it is interchangeable with the RAF48, but with more efficient 
> performance.
>
> I shouldn't even have said "new KR2"having flown KR2S and the KR2 
> for hundreds of hours each, and the fact that building an S is almost 
> exactly the same labor and cost as a KR2, I think you'd be crazy to 
> build a new KR2 when the KR2S is so much better.
>
> See more on this kind of stuff at http://www.n56ml.com/kopinion.html ...
>
> Mark Langford
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> http://www.n56ml.com
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Eat those words.   I have just finished my KR1 with the 5048 airfoil.

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KR> Not trimming replies! - SOLUTION

[Gary Robison]

He's so cute when he's riled.

Then again he's absolutely right.

I hate scrubbing through the files looking for info
just to scroll and scroll and scroll through endless
undeleated email entrails. 

No time for anything more the t88 is setting up

forward spars are done working on the rear now.

GR.A learner 

Wish I could get to the Gathering but the wife is laid up
maybe next year.



If you ask me about this thread at the Gathering, you'd be well advised 
to hand me a beer first...

KR> KR2S gross weight question

[Gary Wold]

I've been researching this for a little while but am not finding any real
info.  What are KR2S builders using as their gross weight?  I'm looking at
tri-gear and Corvair engine.



Thanks





Gary Wold

Pilotgary at charter.net

KR> Smooth Prime problems

[Gary]

On 8/10/2016 7:53 PM, Pete Klapp via KRnet wrote:
> Netters
>
> Several weeks ago, Mike Sylvester posted an email about the problem he had 
> sanding the parts had previously primed. What form of Smooth Prime was he 
> referring to? The earlier version was a catalyzed formula and the present 
> version sold by Aircraft Spruce is in a water-borne formula. I'm about to use 
> some on my turtledeck, fwd deck and tail feathers. Any suggestions or pit 
> falls to be aware of with the water-borne variety?
>
> Pete Klapp, Canton, OH
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I found it good stuff.  Use credit card to squeegee first coat to fill 
holes.  Roll or spray several thin coats after that.  Like they say, a 
thick coat is a waist of time.

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KR> Camp Scholler

[Gary]

Early as possible is best. ?Won't run out of campsites but you could wind up 
way out from things


Gary Wold

 Original message 
From: Paul Visk via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 07/19/2016  11:37 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: EAA Group , KR EMAIL BOARD  
Cc: Paul Visk  
Subject: KR> Camp Scholler 


??? 
Tom and I are driving up to Oshkosh Sunday. ?Will be camping at Camp Schollet. 
?Is it better to arrive earlier than later on Sunday or does it matter??
Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
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KR> Fuselage sides vertical?

[Gary Wold]

KR> Fuselage sides vertical?

[Gary Hinkle]

I'm 5' 10" and 195lbs, and am in the process of covering mine to single place. 
Never liked the way it handled with 2 on board. It will be a lot more 
comfortable on long cross countries.


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From: Sid Wood via KRnet  
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Date: 06/01/2016  12:47  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: Sid Wood  
Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage sides vertical? 

Gary,
My KR-2 is built to stock plans.? The widest point for the cockpit is 34 
inches at the top rails.? That is way too narrow for me, much less two 
people.? Canopy height and curve for the stock RR bubble requires me to lean 
my head to the right to keep from bumping my headset.? The leaning to the 
right also messes with the sight picture for landing.? I am 5' 10" tall, 203 
pounds; leg length is just right.? My 6' 1" friend cannot get his knees 
under the stock RR instrument panel.? If I converted this KR-2 in the 
present configuration to single place and sat in the middle with the present 
single stick between my legs, the fit would be perfect with lots of elbow 
room.
Highly recommend you go for at least 40 inch wide cockpit for two-place 
seating.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA


I am planning to widen the KR2S fuselage 4" with widest point at the 
shoulders. Any known gotchas if I also make the sides vertical instead of an 
inward taper at the bottom??Unable to get to the archives for a day or two.
Thanks?

Gary Wold

? 



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KR> Fuselage sides vertical?

[Gary]

I am planning to widen the KR2S fuselage 4" with widest point at the shoulders. 
Any known gotchas if I also make the sides vertical instead of an inward taper 
at the bottom??Unable to get to the archives for a day or two.
Thanks?

Gary Wold

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Date: 05/30/2016  7:49 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Global Solutions  
Subject: KR> composite vacuum bagging? 

? What do you consider the best book on? vacuum bagging setups for dyi?

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KR> Split elevator & Gap Seals for elevator/rudder

[Gary]

On 5/30/2016 12:00 PM, Frank Hamelly via KRnet wrote:
> I want to use a split elevator on my KR and am wondering how to attach 
> the two halves in the middle to maintain structural integrity.  I've 
> seen that Steve Anderson's KR used a split elevator but how were the 
> two sides fused?
>
> Also, thinking about using gap seals between the horizontal and 
> vertical stabs and the elevator/rudder.  I have a 7/8" gap to fill 
> which seems like it would be much easier to use than building up the 
> bull nose on the leading edges while providing clear access to the 
> hinges.  I'm using the rod-end bearing hinge design, with 5 hinges 
> instead of 3.
>
> Thanks in advance for the advice.
>
> Frank Hamelly
>
>
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You can see my elevator horn, left and right sides bolt to the elevator 
spar(s) with one piece back up plate on rear side of spar(s)(not 
shown).  Wood spar sawed in the middle.

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KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

[Gary Robison]

I have a KR-1 Boat  hanging in my shop if your interested  ?

Building a KR-1.5 SS (super stretched) myself.

Also a VW engine mount an other things.



Gary Robison  
gr49 at comcast.net
724-45nine-eight nine four 1


Subject: Re: KR> what to look for when inspecting/buying a KR project

I do appreciate the replies. just to be clear what I'm after, I am ONLY 
interested in a KR1 single place, original style, less than 50% built. I know a 
lot of discussion takes place here and its easy to forget who is into what, but 
I have been talking about replicating Ken's original KR1 all along, except for 
some sensible improvements to enhance reliability/safety. And it will be 
tri-geared. To that goal, I have purchased a set of new KR1 plans.
If I can find a stock KR1 boat stage that would fantastic and they do 
occasionally come up. 
My question was what to look for in terms of construction detail that may 
indicate a poor build, especially indications that the woodwork cannot be used.

KR> parachutes

[Gary Hinkle]

To answer the spin question, DON'T DO IT ON PURPOSE! Not going to tell the 
story, but had about 100 feet when I recovered. Started at 3000 ft.And a 
parachute would not have helped. Wanted to add ?that before those comments 
started. Could not have gotten out.?


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From: jsellars--- via KRnet  
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Date: 05/11/2016  09:23  (GMT-05:00) 
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Cc: jsellars at sellarswealthmanagement.com 
Subject: Re: KR> parachutes 

Mark;
I agree completely with your assessment.? I have had three events
with my KR2 in the past and never was it the fault of the airframe.? Always
an engine event.? Jumping out was that last thing I would consider, as the
plane is a dream to fly!? It goes exactly where and how you ask it.? So
landing even in difficult conditions or terrain is doable. 
I have a question however, I have stalled the KR2 but I did not spin
it.? Does anyone have experience with spinning a KR2.? Seems the close
coupling would make that an interesting aviation experiment.? The tail is a
bit small so would it stop the rotation?? If you have any thought please
share.
Best
Jim

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via KRnet
Sent: May 10, 2016 11:22 PM
To: KRnet 
Cc: Mark Langford 
Subject: KR> parachutes

Regarding parachutes, it's worth mentioning that there's never been an
inflight structural failure of a KR (the all-composite one at high speed at
the Gathering doesn't count, in my mind), although there is a question of
elevator bellcrank failure in one plane, but it's possible it was crash
induced.? There may be others, but no spar or fuselage failure that I know
of.

So given that record and the many thousands of KR hours logged, what are the
chances that you're going to have to go down somewhere so inhospitable that
you can do some semblance of a landing somewhere? 
Even if it's in the tree tops, you'll likely survive it.? So assuming you
are still in control of a plane that's capable of gliding, I'd just stall it
in the tree tops somewhere.? John Schaffer did that in a flat spin from
8000', and survived.

And how much time do you spend over that kind of terrain in Missouri anyway?
Your chances are looking better already!? Jeff Scott probably doesn't like
what he sees out the window 75% of the time, but he doesn't wear a
parachute.

Jumping out of a spinning or otherwise disabled plane is not without its
risks as well...perhaps higher than sticking with the plane to put it on the
ground somewhere.? You could get whacked in the head by the horizontal
stabilizer, or your parachute might be a streamer, etc.? And what if your
plane crashes into a house and kills a family eating lunch? 
? That'd be bad.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you are so concerned about a structural
or control failure, you should probably start thinking twin engines and lot
of other redundancy.? Statistics are on your side though...if your plane
goes down, it'll likely be a fuel problem or a broken crankshaft, and then
you simply land in a field or on a road.? At least that way you still have a
plane that you can rebuild or scavenge for parts, or just maybe, it won't
have a scratch on it!? No need to carry 20 pounds around for years expecting
it to pay off someday, when it likely won't.

I have about 1400 hours of KR time, and I've had plenty of engine problems,
and zero structural problems.? With the plane 20 pounds lighter, and the
comfort of not being packed into my seat with a parachute, I've had some
pretty smooth and enjoyable flying so far.

And yes, I do know that the second engine is just there to get you to the
scene of the crash...

--
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KR> Lets try that again...

[Gary Hinkle]

I have spun my KR2. And it went flat. And it is a miracle that i am able to 
type this response.?


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From: colin hales via KRnet  
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Date: 05/11/2016  23:31  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: colin hales  
Subject: KR> Lets try that again... 

As I said, I
read what is written and mostly stay stub. That is until I read something that I
know myself is 100% factually incorrect and that might effect the decision of
someone trying to make a very personal choice. Then I just think it not proper
or correct that miss information is bantered around. I feel a need to put
things right. Therefore, if full
details are not known about the topic with 100% confidence, then you shouldn't
really say anything especially when safety matters and personal losses are
involved.



Gentlemen,? let us all agree that you
don?t have to look far before you read of many KR2 in flight failures. 



NTSB Identification: WPR11FA155?? quote : The rapid
descent was probably initiated by the separation of about half of the vertical
stabilizer as a result of severe turbulence while the airplane was near the
location of the final radar return. The departure of a portion of the vertical
stabilizer and pieces of the rudder would have resulted in the pilot?s inability
to control the airplane, followed by a rapid descent and subsequent in-flight
breakup.



KR2 G-BOLZ in
the UK, broke up in the air, admittedly after a mid air
collision that killed three of my friends.



But these are
extreme cases.? Anyway it doesn?t need to
be an inflight break up that causes you to want to get out and pull a string.



We all know
that the last reported radio transmissions from Ken Rand were, 



 At 3:45 Ken reported he was icing -- at 8,000 feet. At 3:53 the last 
transmission was received:
"I'm at three thousand and I'm going to hit!"



Another Kr pilot
carried out this unwise manoeuvres detailed below, 



 the
pilot initiated an intentional spin, throttling the engine to idle, pulling on
the carburetor heat, and increasing the nose up attitude of the airplane until
it stalled and entered a spin to the left. During the first few rotations the
engine quit, and the propeller stopped turning. After several rotations the
spin stabilized about 20 degrees nose down, and remained in the steady state
until impact. During the descent the pilot was observed attempting various
control inputs without effect.



A canopy latch
coming undone, is enough to open a sideways hinging canopy and have it detach
in flight. With the disturbed airflow over the tailplane, it makes the aircraft
very difficult to control.



So it does not
need to be structural failure of our beloved planes that makes one need to
think a little more. Had these four pilots been wearing a parachute, what would
have been the outcome and their actions? The structural integrity of the KR2 is
not in doubt, but sometimes, certain factors negate this. But lets all agree not
to say there have never been any known in flight failures of any kind, as its
just not true.



I come from a
gliding back ground. I have worn a parachute through all of my flying of
gliders, therefore I am biased. it is compulsory in some clubs to wear chutes, 
due to the close proximity to other
gliders in thermaling flight. I?d never be without one personally after seeing 
three mid airs when racing gliders. But lets try
and keep this to facts and nothing personal. There are on average 30 mid air
collisions a year throughout Europe. Not everyone needs to get out, next to no 
glider pilots are
professional sky divers yet the success rate for getting out is very very high. 
Different
countries quote different figures.



An ?air
experience? member of the public who had never flown a glider before was taking
a flight in a K21 glider in England in 2009. The glider was hit by
lightning and the rapid increase in temperature of the air within the wings
blew them apart and the melting of the control tubes meant that staying in the
glider was no longer a viable option. The paying passenger hadn?t even been
shown how to use the parachute, just how to open the cockpit and undo his
straps. He worked it all out and landed uninjured. The pilot in the back 
sprained his ankle. Our BBC
made a documentary about it.



Glider pilots
in Europe are taught that if you can not get out
of the aircraft because of high wind forces keeping you in or the glider is 
spinning or out of control or your legs are
trapped in the straps, or under the instrument panel, just lean forward or try 
to
stand up and simply pull the cord. On many designs, this fires out on a spring 
the primary chute that pulls out the main chute and the chute will inflate and 
pull you out
rapidly whether you are ready or not. The lowest known recorded height a glider 
emergency chute was open was 400ft. He
survived. Parargliders have emergency chutes on board that 

KR> parachutes

[Gary Hinkle]

Very well stated. Stay with the plane. Fires don't burn for more than seconds. 
Fuel should be turned off.?Engine failure is the most likely item. Other than 
IFR screwups, engines stopping is what brings them down. Not fires.


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From: Mark Langford via KRnet  
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Date: 05/10/2016  22:22  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Mark Langford  
Subject: KR> parachutes 

Regarding parachutes, it's worth mentioning that there's never been an 
inflight structural failure of a KR (the all-composite one at high speed 
at the Gathering doesn't count, in my mind), although there is a 
question of elevator bellcrank failure in one plane, but it's possible 
it was crash induced.? There may be others, but no spar or fuselage 
failure that I know of.

So given that record and the many thousands of KR hours logged, what are 
the chances that you're going to have to go down somewhere so 
inhospitable that you can do some semblance of a landing somewhere? 
Even if it's in the tree tops, you'll likely survive it.? So assuming 
you are still in control of a plane that's capable of gliding, I'd just 
stall it in the tree tops somewhere.? John Schaffer did that in a flat 
spin from 8000', and survived.

And how much time do you spend over that kind of terrain in Missouri 
anyway?? Your chances are looking better already!? Jeff Scott probably 
doesn't like what he sees out the window 75% of the time, but he doesn't 
wear a parachute.

Jumping out of a spinning or otherwise disabled plane is not without its 
risks as well...perhaps higher than sticking with the plane to put it on 
the ground somewhere.? You could get whacked in the head by the 
horizontal stabilizer, or your parachute might be a streamer, etc.? And 
what if your plane crashes into a house and kills a family eating lunch? 
? That'd be bad.

I guess what I'm trying to say is if you are so concerned about a 
structural or control failure, you should probably start thinking twin 
engines and lot of other redundancy.? Statistics are on your side 
though...if your plane goes down, it'll likely be a fuel problem or a 
broken crankshaft, and then you simply land in a field or on a road.? At 
least that way you still have a plane that you can rebuild or scavenge 
for parts, or just maybe, it won't have a scratch on it!? No need to 
carry 20 pounds around for years expecting it to pay off someday, when 
it likely won't.

I have about 1400 hours of KR time, and I've had plenty of engine 
problems, and zero structural problems.? With the plane 20 pounds 
lighter, and the comfort of not being packed into my seat with a 
parachute, I've had some pretty smooth and enjoyable flying so far.

And yes, I do know that the second engine is just there to get you to 
the scene of the crash...

-- 
Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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KR> fibre frax

[Gary Hinkle]

Since when have chutes been mandatory? ?I got my Commercial Glider rating in 
the 80s and never heard of that.


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From: Chris Kinnaman via KRnet  
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Date: 05/10/2016  10:43  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Chris Kinnaman  
Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax 

Ask around amongst glider pilots which chute they would recommend for 
comfort. Chutes are mandatory for flying gliders. If you can find a few 
glider pilots close to your size, ask if you can try on their chutes to 
see how mobile you can be while wearing it.

Chris K

On 5/9/2016 11:34 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
> like I said? "make fun of me all u want..."
>
> but the chute is a couple extra inches on my back and will be the rear 
> cushion, planning on moving the seat back rearward the 2 inches I need. In 
> fact, the thing fiberglass seat in my avid was so comfortable, I once flew 
> for almost 12 hours (2 quick fuel turns) with zero soreness. I saved that 
> seat and plan to use it in the avid. moved rearward with only the bottom 
> upholstery, unless the geometry wont work.? there was also almost no legroom 
> in the avid, you fly with knees bent, which was also not a problem.
> not to mention lets face it, climbing out of a single place with chute on has 
> a certain coolness factor. at my increasing age I can use all of that I can 
> get!
> at this point of course this is all talk. the avid is not fully sold yet and 
> on the the kr project, I have only bought the plans from nvaero so far. 
> hoping to go forward and accumulate skins, canopy, etc etc nd of course the 
> wood fairly soon.
>
>


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KR> fibre frax

[Gary Hinkle]

Try putting a chute on and getting in the plane. You won't have room to fart. 
And if you did gas, you would pass out before you could get out of the plane.


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From: Chris Prata via KRnet  
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Date: 05/09/2016  03:34  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Chris Prata  
Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax 

I'm sure it will slow things down, but wouldnt an engine fire eventually (and 
quickly) burn around the edges and catch the wood behind the firewall that way?
make fun of me all u want but my KR1 will have a BRS and I wear a personal 
chute that way I can save the plane if possible, myself if necessary




> Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 16:32:23 -0500
> To: stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl; krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> fibre frax
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: Gary19521 at verizon.net
> 
> 
> 
> To me, fire in flight is probably the scariest thing that could happen. Short 
> of loosing tail or wing pieces.For the want of a 1/16th of an inch. Go with 
> 1/8th inch. But then what the hell do I know.
> Gary Hinkle, A, Comm pilot.
> 
> 

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KR> Removable Front Deck

[Gary Hinkle]

I made mine removable from the beginning. I was setting it up for IFR and was 
getting older and new the day wasn't far off that I wasn't going to be able to 
bend and twist to get under there. Last time I got behind the instrument panel 
(got lazy and didn't remove the deck), it took 20 minutes to get out. My wife 
got the biggest laugh out of it. She said I looked like something out of a 
Muppet movie with legs and arms flailing around. Funny now, wasn't then.MAKE IT 
REMOVABLE!?Gary Hinkle ?Old stiff A and Corp pilot.


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Date: 05/07/2016  18:16  (GMT-06:00) 
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Cc: brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com 
Subject: Re: KR> Removable Front Deck 

When I redid my first KR I removed the wings and engine and hung the
plane upside down in my garage so I could get access to the rudder pedal
area.? I was doing gear work and adding tanks in the stub wings from the
bottom also.

I thought about cutting off the top deck and fuel tank first, but that
was way before Mark did his removable top and proved it strong enough.


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Subject: Re: KR> Removable Front Deck
From: Mark Langford via KRnet 
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Date: Fri, May 06, 2016 4:41 am
To: "KRnet" 
Cc: ml at n56ml.com


Imagine trying to access your brake cylinders. First step is to climb
into the KR and lay down across the seat. Impossible? Yes, so you'll
have to lay across the seat with your butt up on the longeron and feet
dangling over the wing, while you finagle your shoulder through the 6"
slot formed between the panel and main spar. But your shoulder is all
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KR> Removable Front Deck

[Gary Shubert]

I have been considering making my front deck and the area under it removable as 
well

There is a discussion of the pros and cons of this on the Flybaby web site.  
The Flybaby boat is very similar to a KR

There was also a write up of an instrument panel rework where a portion of the 
cockpit floor was removable thus allowing you to stand in the cockpit with your 
feet on the ground and it made life much easier

Has anyone else considered this?

Gary

KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

[Gary Hinkle]

First time was a night run (3am) delivering parts, over mountains, in the 
winter. The oil congealed in the oil cooler. Outside temp was below -40 deg. 
Very high oil temp, very low pressure. It was so cold outside, could not heat 
cabin. ?Had frost on inside from my breath. Was close to having to shut down an 
engine. 2 other pilots I know, had the same thing happen that same night. 
Freaky cold.2nd time, I had an oil seal blow. Oil all over the plane. Pulled 
engine to idle and got down fast ( I was in a single engine plane). Airport was 
10 miles in front of me when it happened.Also lost an engine on takeoff due to 
carb ice. Just hasn't been my time to die I guess.The point I have been trying 
to make about the heads and oil topic was. We are pushing the engine beyond 
what was designed to do. It has been taken as far as it can go without a 
complete redesign. That would mean a new engine never on the ?market. 
Everything you do in one place, affects something else. ?And that "something 
else" is what will kill you.


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Date: 05/01/2016  11:32  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Brian C Wagner  
Subject: Re: KR> FW:  Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling 

There isn't much surface area on a sump, compared to the volume of oil it 
contains. Also, located on the bottom of the engine, the air flow is 
questionable. Sure, you lose a little heat with those piddly fins on there, but 
it's not its prime function. An oil cooler system with proper air flow is the 
only way you'll get rid of most oil heat in an air-cooled engine.

I'm not advocating a higher-volume oil pump. At least, not without addressing 
the oil system as a whole. Just dropping one in and expecting it will somehow 
"help" is just asking for trouble.

If you start losing oil out of an engine, it isn't going to make a difference 
what volume the oil pump is. When you lose oil *pressure*, it's just a matter 
of (not much) time before the engine seizes. Why did you lose engines twice?




From: Gary Hinkle 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:43 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Brian C Wagner
Subject: Re: KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

The sump is not the worst place to shed heat. Do the math and look at how many 
square inchs of surface there is. Why do you think there are fins on the sump? 
Not only that, the heat is wicked around the entire crank case. This is why the 
top of the case gets hot. The oil cools the crank, rods, pistons, valves,? and 
so on. The heads aren't the only path for heat transfer.
And yes, I use a cooler. Look up the amount of Btus that a cooler can shed per 
Sq in. You may be surprised how limited it is. I'm not trying to be a pain. But 
if someone is going to all the work to pump a large volume of oil into the 
heads, for which it was never designed to handle, they most likely could be 
landing when they don't want to due to engine failure. Have you ever flown an 
airplane with oil comming out of the engine at a high rate. I have, and you 
will have one heck of a pucker factor.
And I have lost engines in flight twice.
Pumping extra oil into the heads would be best be done in a test cell for many 
hours of running to get it right. If at all.



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From: Brian C Wagner via KRnet 
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Date: 04/30/2016 09:29 (GMT-05:00)
To: KRnet 
Cc: Brian C Wagner 
Subject: Re: KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

I'm sorry, but this is wrong. The sump is the worst place for cooling to 
happen. Heat is radiated away only at that relatively small amount of surface 
area, per volume of oil.
I'm not familiar with VW aircraft installations. Are you using an oil cooler of 
any type? A car installation includes the integral cooler that air is forced 
through. It is there, and throughout the engine's radiating surface, where heat 
is exchanged to the air.

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KRnet 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:52 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Gary Hinkle
Subject: Re: KR> FW:? Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

While everyone is toying with extra oil to cool the heads. Don't forget, you 
would pull more oil from the sump. Which would leave less to be cooled. Leading 
to hotter oil, hotter heads.This is a bad idea. Period! The engineering to 
fugure out the amount of oil needed in sump, out put of pump, thermal shed, and 
so on, is way beyond anything worth doing for the amount of return.Power = 
temperature. This little engine is pretty much putting out all it can, and 
still remain reliable. NASCAR doesn't use Detroit engines from production cars. 
They are specially designed just for that class car and special usage.I don't 
want to seem like a poop. It's just how it is.Gary Hinkle. Co

KR> O-200

[Gary]

Thanks to all respondents.  Another method I found on the WWW was to remove 
the oil filter and back fill from there.  With a little extra in the filter, 
I hand turned the prop until I had oil flow from the oil pressure line. 
With everything put back together, cranked the starter motor and bingo, 
plenty of oil pressure.  Installed spark plugs and had first engine start on 
Saturday.

Regards,
Gary

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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 6:31 AM
To: KRnet
Cc: bjoenunley
Subject: Re: KR> O-200



Gary said; "Any of you guys with O-200 engine have knowledge of how to start 
up after rebuild?  Is there a ?pre-oil? procedure?"
On the a65 we removed the oil cooler port plug, used vynal tubing and a 
funnel to gavity feed enough oil to prime the oil pump.
I hope that helps
Joe Nunley CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor Baker Florida
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KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

[Gary Hinkle]

The sump is not the worst place to shed heat. Do the math and look at how many 
square inchs of surface there is. Why do you think there are fins on the sump? 
Not only that, the heat is wicked around the entire crank case. This is why the 
top of the case gets hot. The oil cools the crank, rods, pistons, valves, ?and 
so on. The heads aren't the only path for heat transfer.And yes, I use a 
cooler. Look up the amount of Btus that a cooler can shed per Sq in. You may be 
surprised how limited it is. I'm not trying to be a pain. But if someone is 
going to all the work to pump a large volume of oil into the heads, for which 
it was never designed to handle, they most likely could be landing when they 
don't want to due to engine failure. Have you ever flown an airplane with oil 
comming out of the engine at a high rate. I have, and you will have one heck of 
a pucker factor.And I have lost engines in flight twice.Pumping extra oil into 
the heads would be best be done in a test cell for many hours of running to get 
it right. If at all.


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Date: 04/30/2016  09:29  (GMT-05:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Brian C Wagner  
Subject: Re: KR> FW:  Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling 

I'm sorry, but this is wrong. The sump is the worst place for cooling to 
happen. Heat is radiated away only at that relatively small amount of surface 
area, per volume of oil. 
I'm not familiar with VW aircraft installations. Are you using an oil cooler of 
any type? A car installation includes the integral cooler that air is forced 
through. It is there, and throughout the engine's radiating surface, where heat 
is exchanged to the air.


From: KRnet  on behalf of Gary Hinkle via 
KRnet 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 9:52 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Gary Hinkle
Subject: Re: KR> FW:? Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

While everyone is toying with extra oil to cool the heads. Don't forget, you 
would pull more oil from the sump. Which would leave less to be cooled. Leading 
to hotter oil, hotter heads.This is a bad idea. Period! The engineering to 
fugure out the amount of oil needed in sump, out put of pump, thermal shed, and 
so on, is way beyond anything worth doing for the amount of return.Power = 
temperature. This little engine is pretty much putting out all it can, and 
still remain reliable. NASCAR doesn't use Detroit engines from production cars. 
They are specially designed just for that class car and special usage.I don't 
want to seem like a poop. It's just how it is.Gary Hinkle. Corp, Cargo pilot, 
and seems like forever A


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From: Chris Prata via KRnet 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/27/2016? 02:40? (GMT-05:00)
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: Chris Prata 
Subject: KR> FW:? Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

thats an interesting angle. your oil post also reminded me I was going to ask 
about *additional* oil to cool the heads, as in a high vol oil pump, and an oil 
line to each head spraying oil on the hottest area (between the valves?).
would that almost make them "liquid cooled heads"?

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Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:28:29 -0500
Subject: Re: KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads
From: lrffrench at gmail.com
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
CC: chrisprata at live.com



Hi KR league,? of all the discussions that are so important about controlling 
heat, I am surprised that so little discussion of oil happens. This is a big 
decision. My research for my 1835 vw and oil has led me to Quaker State DEFY.? 
I am running the 10w30 and the API-SL class. This is a semi- synthetic with 
boosted zinc for anti-friction. In aircraft we can't use a full synthetic 
because lead in av-gas will destroy the anti-friction adds in the pure 
synthetics. Even if we plan to use mogas primarily, there may be the need to 
use av-gas all of which have high lead.? The molecule size in synthetics, even 
the blends, is smaller and is known to run cooler. Note:? Quaker State DEFY is 
in almost identical containers with API-SN class oil. (Strange).? SN doesn't 
have the boosted Zinc. You have to read the small print to get API-SL. The SN 
class has been made for the auto engines with catalytic converters because the 
high zinc has been known to ruin the catalytic converters. Since aviation
 does use them (yet), we can benefit from the zinc friction reduction. Hope 
this isn't noise on many of the great signals I read everyday from you 
pros.Cheers,Rene Ffrench N44774. Austin, Texas


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KR> O-200

[Gary Hamilton]

OK. Thank you.  Now to find the oil cooler port plug.

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> On Apr 30, 2016, at 6:31 AM, bjoenunley via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Gary said; "Any of you guys with O-200 engine have knowledge of how to start 
> up after rebuild?  Is there a ?pre-oil? procedure?"
> On the a65 we removed the oil cooler port plug, used vynal tubing and a 
> funnel to gavity feed enough oil to prime the oil pump.
> I hope that helps 
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KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

[Gary Hinkle]

While everyone is toying with extra oil to cool the heads. Don't forget, you 
would pull more oil from the sump. Which would leave less to be cooled. Leading 
to hotter oil, hotter heads.This is a bad idea. Period! The engineering to 
fugure out the amount of oil needed in sump, out put of pump, thermal shed, and 
so on, is way beyond anything worth doing for the amount of return.Power = 
temperature. This little engine is pretty much putting out all it can, and 
still remain reliable. NASCAR doesn't use Detroit engines from production cars. 
They are specially designed just for that class car and special usage.I don't 
want to seem like a poop. It's just how it is.Gary Hinkle. Corp, Cargo pilot, 
and seems like forever A


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From: Chris Prata via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 04/27/2016  02:40  (GMT-05:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: Chris Prata  
Subject: KR> FW:  Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling 

thats an interesting angle. your oil post also reminded me I was going to ask 
about *additional* oil to cool the heads, as in a high vol oil pump, and an oil 
line to each head spraying oil on the hottest area (between the valves?).
would that almost make them "liquid cooled heads"?

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:28:29 -0500
Subject: Re: KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads
From: lrffrench at gmail.com
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
CC: chrisprata at live.com


??? 
Hi KR league,? of all the discussions that are so important about controlling 
heat, I am surprised that so little discussion of oil happens. This is a big 
decision. My research for my 1835 vw and oil has led me to Quaker State DEFY.? 
I am running the 10w30 and the API-SL class. This is a semi- synthetic with 
boosted zinc for anti-friction. In aircraft we can't use a full synthetic 
because lead in av-gas will destroy the anti-friction adds in the pure 
synthetics. Even if we plan to use mogas primarily, there may be the need to 
use av-gas all of which have high lead.? The molecule size in synthetics, even 
the blends, is smaller and is known to run cooler. Note:? Quaker State DEFY is 
in almost identical containers with API-SN class oil. (Strange).? SN doesn't 
have the boosted Zinc. You have to read the small print to get API-SL. The SN 
class has been made for the auto engines with catalytic converters because the 
high zinc has been known to ruin the catalytic converters. Since aviation
 does use them (yet), we can benefit from the zinc friction reduction. Hope 
this isn't noise on many of the great signals I read everyday from you 
pros.Cheers,Rene Ffrench N44774. Austin, Texas

??  ??  ??  
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KR> O-200

[Gary]

Any of you guys with O-200 engine have knowledge of how to start up after 
rebuild?  Is there a ?pre-oil? procedure?

Thanks,
Gary

KR> FW: Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling

[Gary Hinkle]

Increased oil flow would help. But where are you going to get the oil from? The 
liquid cooled heads are cooled from within. To pump a lot of oil into the 
rocker covers could cause problems. Plus all that oil.has to get back into the 
crank case. Oil provides 30 to 40 percent of engine cooling by drawing heat 
away from components. That heat is then shead while in the oil pan. Control 
temperature of the oil first. Oil breaks down fast the hotter it gets.Engine 
baffling is very important. Stop and think about it. A lot of VW engines have 
been out flying with no problems over the years. ENGINE/POWER MANAGEMENT. One 
of the first things you learn when flying big engines. Power and temps go hand 
in hand.Gary Hinkle ?Ex Corp pilot and A


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Date: 04/27/2016  02:40  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: KR> FW:  Type 1 Cylinder Heads - cooling 

thats an interesting angle. your oil post also reminded me I was going to ask 
about *additional* oil to cool the heads, as in a high vol oil pump, and an oil 
line to each head spraying oil on the hottest area (between the valves?).
would that almost make them "liquid cooled heads"?

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Subject: Re: KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads
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??? 
Hi KR league,? of all the discussions that are so important about controlling 
heat, I am surprised that so little discussion of oil happens. This is a big 
decision. My research for my 1835 vw and oil has led me to Quaker State DEFY.? 
I am running the 10w30 and the API-SL class. This is a semi- synthetic with 
boosted zinc for anti-friction. In aircraft we can't use a full synthetic 
because lead in av-gas will destroy the anti-friction adds in the pure 
synthetics. Even if we plan to use mogas primarily, there may be the need to 
use av-gas all of which have high lead.? The molecule size in synthetics, even 
the blends, is smaller and is known to run cooler. Note:? Quaker State DEFY is 
in almost identical containers with API-SN class oil. (Strange).? SN doesn't 
have the boosted Zinc. You have to read the small print to get API-SL. The SN 
class has been made for the auto engines with catalytic converters because the 
high zinc has been known to ruin the catalytic converters. Since aviation
 does use them (yet), we can benefit from the zinc friction reduction. Hope 
this isn't noise on many of the great signals I read everyday from you 
pros.Cheers,Rene Ffrench N44774. Austin, Texas

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KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads

[Gary Hinkle]

I don't agree with the idea of synthetic oil causing problems. My 2180 has used 
Mobile 1, 15-50 since day one. Over 500 hrs on it now. Did one tear down around 
200 hrs due to a prop strike, and the inside was like the day I had assembled 
it.Also used synthetic in my GO300 for over 1000hrs running avgas. Never a 
problem. The condition of the engine can lend itself to lots of oil related 
problems. One of the biggest being blow by from worn rings. That dumps a lot of 
impurities into the oil. It would take too much space to write all the issues 
that can arise. The oil.must be kept cool no matter what. Oil breaks down fast 
with heat. Oil can be worthless in as little as an hour if too hot. No more 
protection for the engine. You might as well use pissed in the engine. Under 
stand oil, and you prevent a lot of failures.Gary Hinkle. 40 yr A ?piston and 
jet?


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Subject: Re: KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads 


??? 
Hi KR league, ?of all the discussions that are so important about controlling 
heat, I am surprised that so little discussion of oil happens. This is a big 
decision. My research for my 1835 vw and oil has led me to Quaker State DEFY. 
?I am running the 10w30 and the API-SL class. This is a semi- synthetic with 
boosted zinc for anti-friction. In aircraft we can't use a full synthetic 
because lead in av-gas will destroy the anti-friction adds in the pure 
synthetics. Even if we plan to use mogas primarily, there may be the need to 
use av-gas all of which have high lead. ?The molecule size in synthetics, even 
the blends, is smaller and is known to run cooler. Note: ?Quaker State DEFY is 
in almost identical containers with API-SN class oil. (Strange). ?SN doesn't 
have the boosted Zinc. You have to read the small print to get API-SL. The SN 
class has been made for the auto engines with catalytic converters because the 
high zinc has been known to ruin the catalytic converters. Since aviation does 
use them (yet), we can benefit from the zinc friction reduction.?Hope this 
isn't noise on many of the great signals I read everyday from you 
pros.Cheers,Rene Ffrench?N44774. Austin, Texas


Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S?4, an AT 4G LTE smartphone

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Subject: Re: KR> Type 1 Cylinder Heads 

thanks for the replies. looks like whenever I get to FWF (2 years from now???) 
and if going with a Type 1, it will be important above all, to keep the heads 
cool.
Secondary to that, buy the best heads/valves etc and make sure the machining is 
right.
The other issue is to use the best forged crankshaft, hub and front bearing 
choice and make sure that is installed properly as well.

And finally, run the engine properly, richen to keep cool when under higher 
power.
I have nt seen as much issues with ignition system, carb, etc.
One issue I wonder about is the new aerovee turbo option, since these heads and 
their temps are a key issue, one wonders about pushing that much more thermally 
with the use of a turbocharger (and no intercooler). We all know that turbo 
will compress the air charge increasing the temperature, and the added power 
adds heat from inside the cylinder too. Under boost, those heads are taking 
substantial additional heat from both sides as far as I can see.



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KR> weight and balance

[Gary]

>From my plans, the CG is 15% to 40% of the wing chord.  That was the old wing.

Is it the same with to AS5048 wing?








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KR> LSA Operation

[Gary]

Quick answer on Google says: "The maximum penalty for flying in command as a 
pilot without being certified is up to three years in prison and a $250,000 
fine."
Gary

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What if? "Theoretical  of course" in a land far away... you grew up 
flying and have been flying under the radar so to speak. Ramp check and no 
license. What is the absolute worst thing that could happen?Thanks.Bill 
Jacobs


-- Original message--From: Randall Smith via KRnetDate: Thu, Mar 17, 
2016 2:15 PMTo: Ronald Wright;KRnet;Cc: Randall Smith;Subject:Re: KR> LSA 
OperationI have a friend that had an accident with his maule in Alaska. He 
has not had a physical for eight years. Can't pass one. Told the FAA he has 
been flying light sport. They explained to him the maule was not light 
sport. (Like he didn't know.)When everything was settled they gave him a 30 
day suspension. Unless you do something that hurts somebody else they really 
don't do much.Sent from my iPhone> On Mar 17, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Ronald 
Wright via KRnet  wrote:> > Why does a ramp check scare you?  Normally they 
just ask to see your license and aircraft registration/paperwork.  No big 
deal.  Visual inspection of the plane from the outside only as they are not 
supposed to be able to enter your plane.  The odds of it happening are a 
million to one.  Treat it as a nice check with someone who just might like 
to look at your neat toy..  Above all, be nice and smile!> > Ron> > 
 > > On Thu, 3/17/16, n357cj via 
KRnet  wrote:> > Subject: Re: KR> LSA Operation> To: "KRnet" > Cc: "n357cj" 
 > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2016, 12:37 PM> > Sid,> What> prompted the ramp 
check This is the only thing that> scares me about flying...> Joe 
Horton> > - Original Message -> From: "Sid Wood via KRnet" > >> My 
hangar partner has a> Pulsar XP with a 80 hp Rotex engine. >> > After 
operating for four years without a medical, he has >> had one ramp check 
without any further> problem.>> Your results may vary.> > Sid Wood> > 
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KR> for sale Friday

[Gary]

What is the condition of the Corvair core? Size?
How much would you like for the core?
Thanks?

Gary Wold

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Subject: KR> for sale Friday 

Hey Folks,
I am trying to clean up a bit. I have a 2S manufactured turtle deck (a little 
damage and a little cutting) $100 pick up (will check shipping if someone 
wants), matco tail wheel new $75 + shipping, A new EIS system from a boat 
manufacture that I won't be using but would work $100 + shipping. I do have 
several corvair cores also yet.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA
n357cj at pdt.net

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KR> KR2 S for sale - status?

[Gary Ainsworth]

I don't know if this has been shown on the KRnet or not. I saw this ad 
in the 'Classified' section of Kitplanes. Some prospective buyers may
not be members of Kitplanes and won't have access to it so the 
advertisement reads:
   KR2 S for sale,2180 Great Plains (reverse engine) with zero time 
on the engine and fuze.  No photo
   ph. 1 440 237 0724  Henry
   This is the whole ad and that's all the info.
 Reverse look-up shows (Oct 2015) Contact Henry Koennecke, Owner - 
located North Royalton, OH USA ?
 Telephone: 4402370724 ? Posted October ...  Barnstormers in June 
(currently not listed...maybe sold)
anyone know the status?

   Gary - Canada

KR> Preparing for KR2S build - again

[Gary Wold]

Thanks for all of the input to my question regarding KR2S modifications.  I am, 
however, a little confused (doesn't take much) about adding length to the KR2S 
plans fuselage and could use help with some clarity.



Joe Horton said:   ?I am flying my first KR2S and it is longer than a KR2 and 
mine is 1 1/2" longer than the KR2S plans?



Larry Flesner said:   "Starting over I'd go with the standard KR2S length..., 
and the two inches forward of the spar"



Robert Pesak said:  "I added 3 inches forward of my main spar and 14 inches aft 
of the main spar, and it flies just fine with a 0200 continental."



Wayne DeLisle said:  " the KR2S already has an extra 2" added in the cowl area. 
No need to add more."



Mark Jones said:  " is exactly the way my KR2S is built. Two inches forward 
of spar."



>From Mark Langford's KR2S fuselage website:  ?What would I do differently 
>given the opportunity? I'd probably use all of the 14 feet of longeron 
>material that Wicks Aircraft sent me, by adding 2.75" to each of the seven 
>bays AFT of the aft spars, yielding a plane 19.25" longer. Another option is 
>to add another bay back there, with the same dimensions as the others.?





I realize this is not an exact science but from the 'average' of this 
experienced input, it sounds like the better way to go would be to add another 
2? forward of the main spar and leave the aft portion per the KR2S plans.  
This, with using a Corvair engine, tricycle gear, and the ?stock? horiz stab 
length (with new airfoil) would work out okay.  Am I missing something?



Thanks   







Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime member

Eagle Scout 



"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your 
eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you will always long 
to return."   - Leonardo da Vinci

KR> Preparing for KR2S build - again

[Gary Wold]

I'm near La Crosse, WI


Gary Wold
EAA Lifetime member
Eagle Scout 

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eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you will always
long to return."   - Leonardo da Vinci

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of PatS via
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Gary where are you located?

PatS
Seminary, MS


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KR> Preparing for KR2S build - again

[Gary Wold]

I'm planning to build with tricycle gear.  I'll probably hear some comments
about this but taildragger flying makes me nervous.  All my flying has been
in tricycle gear planes.


Gary Wold
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eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you will always
long to return."   - Leonardo da Vinci


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I would also go with longer then the Diehl 24 inch gear legs.  Mine are 30
inch ( https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/002.jpg ) but 28 inch
would probably work well on a stock KR2S.  You'll have to make your own as
the 30 inch legs are probably not available for purchase.  Jeff Scott and I
have the only two sets that Dan Diehl ever sold.  I'd also go with my
Aviation Products lightweight single fork tailwheel assembly modified to
accept the 6 inch Matco  wheel and pneumatic tire.  The noise level over a
solid wheel is night and day.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Preparing for KR2S build - again

[Gary Wold]

I feel like I am almost starting over with the KR2S.  With the end of my
caregiving responsibilities, I now have some time to get into the build.  



Just started going back through the information on the KR website and the
plans to reacquaint myself with the wealth of information.  While I am doing
this, I want to send for an updated quote for the spruce and plywood with
the idea of getting it ordered by the end of the month.  I could, however,
use some help with the recommended/suggested modifications before ordering
material.  Following is what I am currently planning: 

-   Add 4" to fuselage width 

-   Move widest point to the shoulder area

-   Lengthen the fuselage adding an additional bay per Mark's suggestion

-   Use the stock horizontal stab (per comments at OSH2015 forum)

-   Increase the vertical stab height - 4" maybe

-   Use the newer airfoil - wing and stab

-   Front hinge canopy

-   Belly board 

-   Wing tanks (only)



Anything else you would suggest?



Itching to get started.



Thanks







Gary Wold

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Eagle Scout 



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eyes turned skywards, for there you have been, and there you will always
long to return."   - Leonardo da Vinci

KR> Manifold vacuum

[Gary Hinkle]

The theory is good. But it takes too much power to spin a vacuum pump to the 
rpm required to operate in the proper range. The weight of the electric motor 
required to produce enough power to spin a pump, and the amps required, is not 
worth it.?There are electric vacuum pumps on the market for certified aircraft. 
They are used as backup systems to get you on the ground. Heavy, high amps, 
expensive. The only reliable ways to power instruments is venturi, dry or wet 
vacuum pump, or electrical instruments.?I'm an A, ex corporate, cargo, 
charter pilot. And I do think outside the box most of the time. Have had my KR2 
going for 20 years.?


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Date: 01/25/2016  19:39  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Re: KR> Manifold vacuum 

I encountered an interesting 'option' on a car a bought that I had "doubts"
about - electric power steering. The pump is driven by an electric motor
powered by the electrical system (battery) and has always worked, although
the car is relatively new. Why not tie the vacuum pump into the electrical
system? You may be able to tie in a low draw motor and rotary pump to drive
the vacuum gages/instruments - most that I've seen don't need a lot of
vacuum, so why not?

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Subject: Re: KR> Manifold vacuum

<--- not a pilot...??? Yet...

Manifold vacuum isn't something I'd depend on.? As engine load goes up,
manifold vacuum goes down.? I'd worry about instruments getting good vacuum
on climbout.? If the engine cuts out, your manifold vacuum will drop as well
(even if the prop windmills).? Using exhaust to produce vacuum is
interesting too, I bet it would work, but I doubt you'd get good vacuum with
the engine windmilling.

I suppose i'm making the argument for a vacuum horn, or an engine driven
vacuum pump, and am assuming the engine will windmill.

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KR> Manifold vacuum

[Gary Hinkle]

Since I use a distributor instead of a mag, I installed a vacuum pump were the 
mag mounts. Made a drive that bolted on. Has worked for over 500hrs with no 
issues.


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Subject: Re: KR> Manifold vacuum 

> 
> It was a very long time ago.? The engine was a Type 1 VW, and the carb was
> probably a POSA.? If there was any mixture control, it had to be manual.
> 
Thank you Dan !
I got a full set of vaccum instruments from a very friendly aircraft mechanic 
and I am exploring the best way to supply them, preferably without the use of 
draggy and icing-prone external venturi.
I may try to use some sort of combined manifold vacuum/exhaust venturi to 
create enough vacuum in all flight conditions.

Stefan
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KR> Supplier of aircraft wood

[Gary Ainsworth]

If you are buying from 'Spruce' get ready for sticker shock. Spar 
stock could be ...wait for it...60$ a foot! I hope you have your spar 
stock already, 'cause us "CANUCKS" are really in a US /CAN $ crunch right 
now as well as aircraft grade sitka spruce, etc. shortage.
Fewer people are making wood framed aircraft. At Gilbert Aircraft in 
Brantford Ontario, next door to Aircraft Spruce there is a $50 transport 
charge involved as well. A possible figure explained to me from 'Gilbert' 
that 80$/ Can / foot could be the price right now. However there is a 
company in Cambridge ON. that supplies aircraft grade milled Douglas Fir 
that is much cheaper and in CAN funds - don't know the cost of it or 
shipping to B.C..
WICKS sounds good if transport isn't too expensive
Email me  off line if this interests you in your quest for wood 
garyains 'at'kwic.com
   Gary Canada


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Subject: Re: KR> Supplier of aircraft wood

I went to Wicks. They have a complete kit, all the spruce, in the needed 
lengths, width and thickness to complete a KR-2S. The longeron material 
comes in 14' length which allows you to lengthen a KR to it's best 
configuration. See Mark Langford's site as to best lengthening layout. 

KR> Piston rings

[Gary Hinkle]

If you get "Trade-a-plane" there are lots of places to get rings. Never had a 
problem finding any thing needed for engines or airframes in 45 years of 
working on aircraft.Last time I ordered bushings, I think I used Chief.?Gary 
Hinkle. ?KR2 N46778. 1978 vintage


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Subject: Re: KR> Piston rings 

Bob,


Aircraft Spruce and Speciality will probably have both parts as suggested.


Great Plains Aircraft Supply carries the rubber Lycoming engine mount bushings 
as well.


Regards


Chris Gardiner 

KR2S C-GKRZ






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Cc: BOB ROBERT





This is a shot in the dark
I am in need of piston rings for a 4 ring 0290 Lycoming
Also engine mount rubber bushings
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KR> KITPLANES

[Gary Ainsworth]

Bill
Got mine today.
They are shipped to Mississauga and then sent throughout Canada from there 
(I think)
So however long it takes to get from there to you is the wait. Should be any 
day now unless you live in Labrador -lol-
Gary -  Canada

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Subject: KR> KITPLANES

When did you receive this month's [January] Kitplanes. mine hasn't come
yet. I have the impression that they are dragging their feet in Canada.

Bill Weir
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KR> kR2S model

[Gary Wold]

I'll add a twisthow about  a 'desk' model or one for self-assembly?  I'd
like to have one to look at and, hence, dream about.

Thanks


Gary Wold
EAA Lifetime member
Eagle Scout 

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I think seeing one of these models on a 3d printer would be pretty cool


Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705

 Original message From: Global Solutions via KRnet
 Date: 10/14/2015  5:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
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Re:
KR> kR2S model 3d model as in 3d cad file such as but not limited to solid
works, inventor,solid edge etc hens the reason I said 3d :) Thanks Stan


On 2015-10-14 6:31 PM, mfreeman2--- via KRnet wrote:
> What kind of model? Computer, wood, AC3D or what?
> I have one for X-Plane flight sim and I have one on my desk.
>
>  Global Solutions via KRnet  wrote:
>> Does anyone on the list have a 3d model of the Kr2S or the kr2 or the
Kr1?
>> Thanks
>> Stan
>>
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KR> KR2S model for flight simulation

[Gary]

Thanks, Rob


Gary Wold

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From: Robert7721  
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Date: 08/12/2015  12:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
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Cc: pilotgary at charter.net 
Subject: Re: KR> KR2S model for flight simulation 

Gary,




There is a link to one on my web site for X-Plane. It is for my specific 
airplane, so the performance is not "terrific". You are welcome to use/modify 
it as you like using X-Planes designer. You can change out the 70 hp VW and put 
a 180 hp engine on it and she will fly pretty awesomely. She will be tough to 
slow down for landing, so you might want to put flaps or a belly board on her 
as well.?





http://www.robert7721.com/





Thanks,





Rob Schmitt

N1852Z












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From: Gary Wold via KRnet 

To: krnet 

Cc: Gary Wold 

Sent: Wed, Aug 12, 2015 11:05 am

Subject: KR> KR2S model for flight simulation







Anyone know if there is a decent KR2S model available for either the
Flight
Simulator or X-Plane simulator programs?  I found one for X-Plane but
the
comments I saw indicated it has a prop strike when brakes are
applied
(couple years old though). 



I have an old version of MS Flight
Sim that I want to upgrade but would
prefer an application for which there is a
decent KR2S.



Thanks





Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime
member

Eagle Scout 




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KR> KR2S model for flight simulation

[Gary Wold]

Anyone know if there is a decent KR2S model available for either the Flight
Simulator or X-Plane simulator programs?  I found one for X-Plane but the
comments I saw indicated it has a prop strike when brakes are applied
(couple years old though). 



I have an old version of MS Flight Sim that I want to upgrade but would
prefer an application for which there is a decent KR2S.



Thanks





Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime member

Eagle Scout 

KR> Build space for KR2S

[Gary Wold]

How much space is needed to build the KR2S?  I realize more is always better
but I find I am faced with limited space in the garage for the time being.
I mocked up a 4'x14' work table which makes things a little tight but
factoring in space for back-bench and tools, it's going to get quite tight.



Someone mentioned that a 4'x12' table would suffice but I figure I still
need to have the additional 2' space for the longerons to hang over.



Any KR2S experience and wisdom would be appreciated.  In particular, what
would be the minimum recommended space for, the fuselage build, and then for
the fuselage/wing center-section build?



Thanks





Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime member

Eagle Scout 

KR> Rudder Stops

[Gary Shubert]

The 150/152 rudder stops on the rudder horn was in response to loss of control 
issues during training specifically spin training

The original stops were much smaller and could jump over the adjustment stop 
resulting in jammed rudder and several deaths

Regarding stress on cables as a former 152 owner I put enough stress on the 
rudder stop once In a cross wind landing I should not have attempted that I 
bent a pulley bracket

The A stated the cable was fine and just repaired the bracket

Looking back on it now maybe he did not want to rerun the rudder

That was my experience 

Gary

KR> AS number for Mouldless Composite Sandwich 3rd ed

[Gary Ainsworth]

What is the Aircraft Spruce number for this book ? (or a dimensioned drawing 
of the work platform)
Thanks
Gary - Canada  garyains "at" kwic.com

-Original Message- 
From: Lawrence Bell via KRnet
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 4:44 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Lawrence Bell
Subject: Re: KR> Min Size of Build Space question

Chris,
 I had the same problem. A 8x20 ft trailer is more than I had. First
there is a manual titled "Moldless Composite Sandwich 3rd Edition" sold by
Aircraft Spruce. In there they have you build a " work platform" instead of 
a
large bench. change options .. 

KR> Halon

[Gary Ainsworth]

Look in the engine bilge of most larger boats and you will find a self 
energizing halon extinguisher aboard...maybe two of them.
I am curious if these cylinders are good/recognized for aircraft use. Some 
are large due to the volume of the installed engine(s)
Most are small, weighing a couple of pounds and easy to install, using the 
automatic/heat sensitive valve or a manual switch.
Since a KR area is small compared to an inboard marine installation, a large 
halon cylinder need not be necessary.
They are fairly cheap (somewhat) for boats Experimental eh?
Gary - Canada


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Gardner via KRnet
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 6:28 PM
To: Chris Gardner ; KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Halon

Also details on Halon are here:

http://www.municipalaffairs.alberta.ca/documents/ss/STANDATA/fire/Halon.pdf

It is legal in aircraft applications only.

Regards

Chris G
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, Chris Gardner via KRnet  
> wrote:
>
> Are you sure on those facts about Halon?
> Check out : H3rcleanagents.com.  Site for Halon myths.
> No mention of poisonous gas ? Only that it was discontinued in 1994 
> because it is a CFC and depletes the ozone layer.
> I'm still using a Halon fire extinguisher in my a Canadian amateur built 
> KR2.
> Chris G
> 

KR> Plywood orientation

[Gary Wold]

I am putting my KR2S spruce and plywood list together in order to get a
quote from Wicks.  Looking at the plywood on their website, I see that there
are mahogany plywood orientations (angle) of 45 degree and 90 degree.  The
plans are not clear as to which to use and I did not find anything in the
archive.



Also, any suggestion as to the amount of T-88 I should order?



Thanks





Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime member

Eagle Boy Scout 

KR> KR2S spruce kit

[Gary]

What is the best way to order the spruce for the KR2S?

?The materials list with the supplement has a line stating 160' 5/8 square 
random to 48". Not sure how to order that. Is it best to order the actual 
spruce kit or figure out the individual lengths needed? ?If the latter, has 
someone already put a list together? Can't find anything in the archives

Thanks


Gary Wold

KR> Laser level recommendation needed

[Gary Ainsworth]

Did I miss something on the video or should  I assume the washout has been 
included on the level line before the epoxy sets?
Gary - Canada
Hi all,

On this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzF50wHhlnc two laser
levelers are used to set up vertical and horizontal reference lines during
a wing alignment. 

KR> Joe Horton please contact me

[Gary Wold]

Joe Horton, please contact me off list (pilotgary at charter.net).  I have a
simple request regarding your plane.



Thanks



Gary Wold

EAA Lifetime member

Eagle Boy Scout 

KR> Hours to build?

[Gary Ainsworth]

One of the builders a few years ago built a KR2S in less than a year. Guess 
what? He bought a partial with boat complete and some other work done. I was 
interested but he got it first! - around 2 Gs) His claim, which found it's 
way to OSH was 1 year and 10 grand! Bill's efforts are shown on the kr 
website (the one with the sharks teeth.) He turned off the internet, and 
shut off his phone (or at least didn't answer cuz' there were a few people 
wanting to talk to him at that time and after  :-)  ... an experienced 
aircraft person as well - not a newwby.
Gary - Canada

KR> Hours to build?

[Gary]

hour & $$$

Chris Prata via KRnet  wrote:

Min 1500 hours, $29k and counting but with new o200 & glass panel.

Gary


Here's another noob question. How many hours does a KR1 take to build? I know 
it can really vary, but I'm hoping a few answers will come through and give me 
a ball park.
Magazines used to say you could build one for $400, in about 40 hours, and it 
would go supersonic. But now we have almost 50 years on the design (can you 
BELIEVE that!) so realistic numbers are avail.
OH, what kind of $$$ have builders spent in recent build?
KR2 info ok too, they are prob similar ballpark $ and time. ?? ? 
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KR> EAA Corvair Building

[Gary Ainsworth]

A nice youtube from EAA on building the Corvair. Those of you who fly 
Corvairs or had Corvairs may see some people you know.
It was nice to see the EAA show something that represented the 
"Experimental" part of our associaton
go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvXAX0C2q5c=youtu.be

KR> KR2S supplement

[Gary]

Done. ?I'm out.


Gary Wold

 Original message 

KR> KR2S supplement

[Gary]

I wasnt going to bring this up on the list but now feel I need to provide 
clarification. ?I ordered my plans August 6. After a couple notes with Steve 
and Mark Langford I learned of the challenges Steve must deal with to get the 
plans. Also learned about Steve's schedule challenge with settings up the 
Gathering. ?As a result I backed off.

About the time of the gathering Steve told me he had my plans and would get 
then in the mail the next week. I've been patiently waiting since then. 
?Finally came to the conclusion I was not going to get them so requested Steve 
cancel my order.

I guess if this makes me an ass then so be it.


Gary Wold

 Original message 

KR> KR2S supplement

[Gary]

Would anyone be willing to send me a scan of the KR2S supplement? ?

After more than 2 months of waiting for the plans and a couple notes from 
Nvaero saying my order was going to sent I came to the conclusion that Nvaero 
is for whatever reason not interested in doing business with me. I requested 
they cancel my order and refund the price paid. Guess I'll find something else 
to build.

I would just like to have a glimpse at what could have been.

Thanks


Gary Wold

KR> In support of Steve and NVAero

[Gary Wold]

I agree that it is time to put this thread to bed but I am hoping the
moderator will grant me one more comment on the subject.



I can no longer just sit on my thumbs here.  In support to of Steve, I need
to share my recent experience.



First, I am one of those people who have been waiting for plans  (ordered
Aug 6) and I am embarrassed to say that I 'jumped' Steve via e-mail a week
after ordering.  Having had some personal pressures the past few months that
put my stress level sky high inappropriately added fuel to the situation but
were in no way any fault of  Steve's.  Since that time I have apologized
multiple times and I am very thankful Steve did not choose to not do
business with me.  If the roles were reversed I'm not so sure I would have
been that kind.



Guys, I really believe that if anyone having a concern with an order were to
contact Steve directly they would quickly find as I did that he is a
stand-up guy.  From Steve and Mark Langford I learned the back story of what
Steve must and is going  through to get plans and parts out.  How it is he
continues to do this business I do not know but I can tell you that a lesser
person would have thrown in the towel a long time ago.  While I am not sure
that it is my place to share the details, I can tell you that I would never
have imagined it.



I think all of us should be thankful we have a person willing to serve the
KR community as Steve does.  Let's give the poor guy some slack already!
I'm sure we will all receive our orders when Steve is able to get them out
but let's not drive him over the edge in the meantime.



Thanks





Gary Wold

KR> KR2 to KR2S conversion?

[Gary Wold]

I'm a new member to the KR list.  I was building a Cozy Mk 4 but recently
decided my new retirement budget could not support such a project so selling
the materials this week.  Very difficult decision.



I've followed the KR2 since 1980 and decided to build the KR2S after Mark's
EAA webinar and the forum at Oshkosh.  Along this line, I have a question
for the group..I have a set of KR2 plans from 1981 and am wondering if it is
possible - or even reasonable - to modify these plans to a KR2S?



I searched the archive for any related information but got no hits so if
this has previously been discussed, I apologize for the question but would
appreciate suggestions as to where I might find the info.



Thanks



Gary Wold

KR> OSH camping - thank you

[Gary Ainsworth]

We're back from Osh, and I would like to take this opportunity to thank all 
who offered advice on the Osh camping. We were able to sneak around the rain 
and weather on Sunday (RV9A) and arrived just after the rain to join the 
Marines Osprey rotor wings in for landings on 26R & 26L. (Their demo was 
awesome!)
The high winds and rain on Tuesday night was rough and wet! A non- pegged 
tent would have flown, a bad porpoise landing did a prop and
crank on Tuesday as well a tough way to land at Osh. I got a photo from 
Friars waiting area, of the beginning of a Tornado forming up - Glad it 
didn't take shape or another Sun N' Fun debacle I am sure would have 
resulted (I was there at S N' F!)
Monday's KR seminar was the best I have witnessed and well done and well 
prepared. (Mark and 'techy' Larry) Good questions were attended to by the KR 
vets and a good turnout.
Thanks again to the KR net for your advice and helpful hints, as this was my 
4th visit in 14 years and one of the best AirVentures for me (Got a smile 
and a wave from Bob Hoover and a the new Alternative Engines Volume 4 
(colour) just off the press from Pat Panzera (Contact Magazine)
and some other good stuff.
Gary - Canada
-Original Message- 

From: Phillip Matheson via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:19 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> OSH camping info

They used to also have camping at the YMCA.
-

Correct. I stayed there the entire week in 2010, great place, YES ice in the
hocky ring. You can camp on the indoor grass football field, NO TENT PEGS so
you need a free standing tent.
Phil Matheson

KR> OSH camping info

[Gary Ainsworth]

This is a ?ask for info? message due to the possibility of weather forcing us 
out of flying to Osh this year. If we get weathered out, the only other option 
is (ugh) driving. With a 2 man tent and my car, what is the best place to camp 
at Osh that won?t be way out there or in the low country? We are not 
accomplished campers and would like the amenities to be the best for us as 
possible. eg Close to the action, showers and washrooms within easy reach and 
easy walking to the stuff you would normally want to se. In the past we always 
flew and stayed on the north 40 but it appears that the other end may be our 
lodging point.
Any help from those who have camped with a tent and have some advice speak 
out. or email me!
Thanks
Gary ? Canada
garyains ?at? kwic.com

KR> RV-1 CANOPY

[Gary Robison]

Wanted


RV-1 canopy

If you know of anyone who has one for sale
email me below


djgarylynn at verizon.net

Gary
N49GR

KR> Test

[Gary Robison]

Thanks mike

I sent an email yesterday answering Larry about my
spar length and must have miss sent it someplace??

Reason for test !

Gary


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Carter" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Test


> Test OK
>
> -Original Message-
> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Robison
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:27 PM
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> Test
>
> TEST
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KR> SPARS and extended wing span

[Gary Robison]

Larry here is a picture of my spar caps and the
2 foot pieces scarfied on.

1 foot for the 2s 1 foot extended

With the scarfs running in opposite directions and
the spruce ply web covering both sides I think
this will be plenty strong. The original use foam
and a couple of layer of glass.

As for the center section spars, along with the
AS5048 airfoil being much thicker when I made
up my spar caps the wood I used was  1/4
thicker than called for in the plans (2" top and bottom)
mine is 2.25" instead of sawing it off I incorporated
into the spar for strength (and a little extra weight)
and then shortened the vertical pieces to maintain the
8.19" over all spar height.

I think it would hold up a tank or at least a Microbus!

Gary 




- Original Message - > 
>>  This is
>>a KR 1.5 Ss with a 28' span.
> 
> ++++
> 
> Gary,
> 
> The 28 foot wing span on your project caught my eye.
> Larry Flesner
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KR> Test

[Gary Robison]

TEST

KR> VW timing printout Mark Langford

[Gary Robison]

Hey Mark can you share the printout for the VW timing
wheel I see on your website??

Gary 
N49GR

KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen

[Gary Ainsworth]

Go to the site: (copy and paste) or Google 'Sea Era airplane'
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com/forums/bush-float-flying/11534-paul-weston-sea-era.html

and you will see that the stall crash of the Sea Era and the reasons why 
(right wing drop on stall, low time pilot etc ) follow the input at the 
bottom and it makes an interesting read - especially by the engineer who 
helped on this aircraft. Which however, is not available to buy/build/
Otherwise a dead duck!  (living close to Lake Erie it sparks my marine 
surveyor's eye as a Sea Doo with a wing!)
No comparison to a KR, and yes Dan, an ignorant/stupid statement!
Gary - Canada
-Original Message- 
From: Dan Heath
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 10:53 AM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> The KR2 or Sonerai 2 is a funeral waiting to happen

Ignorant comment.  I think most who have ever flown either will agree.
Really stupid.

KR> Pressure testing my wing tanks

[Gary Ainsworth]

Gas molecules are smaller than water molecules. Water testing for leaks
is inconclusive.  I like the below statement.
Gary

While waiting for the gauge to drop spray all the seems with soapy
water. if you don't find a leak but the gauge has dropped repeat the
process.



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KR> new site?

[Gary Ainsworth]

I saw this site mentioned and thought it might turn into something worthwhile. 
It?s a new start-up for homebuilts:
SkySwapper.com   
There is an Ellison AFS-2 for sale for $150 that might be useful and 
it sounds cheap to me for a VW based engine and I think, are very hard to get.

Gary ? Canada

KR> Epoxy

[Gary Ainsworth]

Brian et al
I use West System on most of my projects exclusively, as they are marine 
related and the boat store is a 1 mile away. However, what you state about 
the West is true and now that the Canadian Aircraft Spruce is only a 1/2 
hour away I will try some EZ and T-88.
 How do you get around 'post curing' when the application is large - and 
you don't have hot outside weather to post cure?
 Is it still strong enough without the post cure for KR work?
What would be the better choice for large lay-ups (KR wings etc) that 
can't be 'post cured'?
   Gary - Canada

-Original Message- 
From: brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:12 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy

I have found and reprinted my epoxy comparison below.  I think I did one
with Aeropoxy also at some point, but could not find it.  Surprising to
me that nobody else has ever reported a comparison or commented on mine.
I really would like to hear comments from others that have used
different epoxies.  I guess most people use what they use and don't see
a need to try something different.

KR> No support group

[Gary Robison]

To All,

My mother in-law is failing so we must return to the homestead.
There  is no support group for this, sorry Mark.

Luv you people, have a great time. learn lots, and make
new life time friends.

I have questions on questions that need answers but
life calls. I will be thinking about you everyone..

My friend Ivan, who is a X2 cancer survivor was going to
fly me out in his new Glasair was understanding.
This was going to be "OUR great adventure."

No Mustard butter, dogs, kraut

Gary

Have a root beer for me
There is always next year

Larry remove Gary and Ivan from PA
Thank you

KR> Mustard Butter

[Gary Robison]

The mustard butter,dogs and kraut are packed 

I am ready !

Gary

KR> nylon tube fittings

[Gary H]

check your local Lowes hardware store.

-Original Message- 
From: Dan Heath
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2013 6:21 AM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> nylon tube fittings

Anybody know where you can get 1/8 pipe to 1/8 OD nylon tube, Nylon
Fittings?  Why not use 1/8 tube for pitot static?  I have the brass
compression type, but would prefer the Nylon, if I could find them.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
See you Oct. 4 and 5, 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC



-Original Message-

I was looking for an elbow for 1/4" OD nylon tubing for the pitot/static
system in my Air Camper.  I had it in my mind to get the standard brass
compression type of fitting,


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KR> Broke My Plane, a little

[Gary Robison]

I Just love this image


I have talked to Mark about this and it makes me feel just great !!!
with my primal attempts EE Haa. Just get on with it
Life is t short. Now days Mark could win a spot landing contest.
Prop stopped out of air out of energyHe learned well...





>> On approach to landing, be sure that your mixture control is on its 
>> optimum rich setting.
>
> Glad you didn't do any serious damage.  After watching that spar breaking 
> test at the Gathering a few years ago, I doubt you hurt the spar at all.
>
> I learned some similar wisdom on my first flight in N56ML.  I was about to 
> "drop it in" from about 6 feet up, and stuffed the throttle from idle to 
> wide open in about a nanosecond.  The prop quit instantly, and I dropped 
> it in anyway, putting 5.5 g's on the g-meter!  See the bottom photo at ML 
> at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>  
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KR> TEST

[Gary Robison]

TEST

KR> Glass cloth

[Gary Robison]

1 SQ Foot X 9 will get you there


> Jim L. wrote:
>
>> One has 18 threads per inch and is .008" thick.
>> The other is 15 threads per inch and is .013" thick.
>> Can anyone confirm that either is suitable for use on the KR?
>
> The .008" sounds like what is called for in the KR plans.  It's probably 
> 5.85 oz/yd, and the other is likely 9 oz/yd or so.  I've used various 
> kinds over the years, including both of what you likely have, depending on 
> application.
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
> 
>
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KR> flying stories ?

[Gary Robison]

WOW.

Glad to hear your OK Mark...

I am just finishing up my new man cave and as you know
the wood "kit" was pick up during the last KR gathering.

I have gathered up three Corvair engines but I will await the
out come of this latest event before moving forward with them.


Mark, keep us informed about the crank  failure and about your
thoughts on your new project.



- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
>
> I've got a flying story for you, but I'm not sure if it'll be 
> inspirational!
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com

KR> comm antenna 1/4 wave length

[Gary Robison]

Pete I have always used 2808/freq. in MHz = 1/4 wave in inches

Gary


Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance 
in the rain


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete Klapp" <pke...@hotmail.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
>
> Mark /Netters
>
> On your web site, you list the length of each leg of your dipole at 20.3". 
> I went to an online site that will calculate the needed length ,
> www.onlineconversion.com/frequency_wavelength.htm. 

KR> Missing??

[Gary Robison]

Thanks Steve

Gary

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Glover" <n92...@cox.net>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Missing??


>I gave it to Chris, the airport mgr.  You left it in the hangar.  
> --Original Message--
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> Subject: KR> Missing??
> Sent: Sep 20, 2011 20:08
> 
> Did anyone happen to see-pickup my bill of materials and invoice at the 
> hangar?
> 
> Gary 
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KR> Missing??

[Gary Robison]

Thanks Steve...

Gary


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From: "Steve Glover" <n92...@cox.net>
To: "KR Net" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Missing??


>I gave it to Chris, the airport mgr.  You left it in the hangar.  
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> 
> Did anyone happen to see-pickup my bill of materials and invoice at the 
> hangar?
> 
> Gary 
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KR> Missing??

[Gary Robison]

Did anyone happen to see-pickup my bill of materials and invoice at the 
hangar?

Gary 

KR> KR Mustard Receipe

[Gary Robison]

As promised !!


2 cups vinegar
32 0z. yellow mustard
3 cups sugar
1 tlbs salt
1/3 cup fine chopped japaleno peppers 


Mix all ingredients bring to boil for 5 mins stirring
Add   1/2 to 1 cup flour to thicken
Stirring boil 5 more mins

place in sterilized jars
hot water bath for 10 mins


Enjoy

Gary Robison

KR> WICKS ARRIVING ABOUT 09:30 Friday morning at the Gathering

[Gary Robison]

I should have added 
WICKS ARRIVING ABOUT 09:30 Friday morning at the Gathering

KR> WICKS ARRIVING ABOUT 09:30 Friday morning

[Gary Robison]

WICKS ARRIVING ABOUT 09:30 Friday morning

With my spruce !!

 I feel like a kid waiting on Christmas morning



Gary Robison

KR> Wick's at KR Gathering

[Gary Robison]

I will be picking up my wood for my KR
on the 19th after the Gathering been waiting for this
for 8 years finally "A TIME TO BUILD"

perhaps he could bring it along I'll email him

Gary Robison


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To: <fles...@frontier.com>; <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:39 PM
Subject: KR> Wick's at KR Gathering


> Hey Guys,This got thought about a little to late but I spoke with Scott 
> Wick today about them coming to the KR Gathering this weekend and to be 
> able to bring along any orders folks may have. He was going to call me 
> back when He found someone to drive in for us and as of 4:30 pm Eastern I 
> have not heard back. Maybe if you have an order you were going to place 
> with Wick's anyway you could place the order and  in special instructions 
> mark to be delivered to the KR Gathering in care of Mount Veron Il. This 
> Saturday. If he gets more than my order it may help get them to 
> attend.Thanks,Joe Horton,Coopersburg, PA.
> 
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KR> Well Here Go's

[Gary Robison]

I hate to clutter up the KRnet with this but I just have
to announce it.

I retired this year on May 1st

I have under construction a 24 X 40 heated/air conditioned 
"MANCAVE" to be completed in time for the gathering.

Today I called and gave up my credit card number for a pile
of spruce and plywood. 

Eight years I have be looking at the KR

Four years ago I bought the plans.

Two years ago I collected 3 Corvair engines.

Let the gluing and sanding begin.

Gary

.001% done 120% to go.

KR> third time is a charm???

[Gary Robison]

Larry just tell me what you want me to do

We can do welding(gas/tigg), wood work, engine tear down (in a hanger)
glass/carbon fiber(small scale), vacuum bagging(small again) Hot wire
foam cutting (shapes with a weller iron), Rust removal (Electrolysis)
I can organize one or two forums. Then I want to have fun also!
The need to learn from others is why I like the KR group always
sharing. Good or bad. We need to know the mistakes too!

email me off here @


djgaryl...@verizon.net

Gary

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@frontier.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: KR> third time is a charm???


>
>
> (THIS IS THE THIRD POST OF THE SAME E-MAIL.  I SENT THE ORIGINAL THIS
> MORNING BUT NEVER GOT IT BACK.  I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO MISS AN
> OPPORTUNITY. :-) )
>
>
>
> With only 210 day left till the 2011 KR Gathering I thought I'd
> better get started with the planning.  Several of you have indicated
> a willingness to help but I hesitate to appoint anyone to a duty
> without them knowing what is involved.  So, I'll post here the areas
> of need and the responsibilities and let anyone that is willing to
> take on the responsibility for that area step forward.
>
> Forums:
> Assume complete responsibility for forums to be conducted to include
> acquiring speakers, setting schedule, determine forum subjects, etc.
> Minimum number of forums would be two, one on engines and one on
> airframe.   Local support provided will be the room and P.A. system.
>
> Awards:
> Assume complete responsibility for Gathering awards to include:
> securing judges to judge KR's, determine categories, determine
> winners based on judging results, design and purchase the awards.  Budget= 
> $225
>
> I currently have a volunteer to do the name tags and help to try to
> streamline the registration.  Chris Collins and crew have pretty much
> said they will take care of the registration table as in the past but
> I'm sure they could use an extra hand or two the days of the Gathering.
>
> I am currently in communications with the Holiday Inn and info should
> be coming out soon on that.  At this point I will assume
> responsibility for the hats and shirts as well as the banquet.  If
> additional needs develop I will ask for additional support.  I will
> be available to anyone who volunteers to answer questions and help
> you with your plans.
>
> For those of you that have attended past Gathering at Mt.Vernon, you
> know what a great facility they have and the great local
> support.  Well, it's getting even better this year.  The airport is
> in the finishing stages of a new 11,800 square foot hangar, complete
> with bathrooms and shower to be used by Gathering campers.  That will
> be in addition to facilities already in place.  Chris and crew are
> looking forward to the Gathering like kids to Christmas.
>
> It won't be long now.  Start making your plans..
>
> Thanks..
>
> Larry Flesner
>
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KR> Re:Gathering date change

[Gary Robison]

Look people

This is the way it is if you wish to manage the event,,, next
year you can,,, this year it's Larry's next year
then you run it I have been doing this type of thing for years for
different groups all good people but!!!
not everyone can be accommodated that's life who ever said it was fair

Larry  is doing the best he can... a fine job at that,,, just do your part
that is,,, come if you can,,, if not wish everyone who can change their
schedule,,, the best of times... it's like a scrubbed approach just go 
around

Larry I am retiring in April if you need help let me know (anything)

Gary

(I had the guitar at the last gathering )





- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" <fles...@frontier.com>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:09 PM
Subject: KR> Re:Gathering date change


> At 08:29 AM 1/27/2011, you wrote:
>>Larry,
>>The date change really scrambles my plans.  How many KR types would
>>have a conflct with actually going to the AOPA spam can happening?
>>Sid Wood
> +++
>
> I've received several e-mails, some good, some disappointing, like
> the one from Sid.  I'm sorry the date change has messed up the plans
> of some of the attendees.  I'll try to make the reason for change a
> bit more clear.
>


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KR> Foam cutting large scale

[Gary Robison]

Mark

No, not too crazy!!!

Don't you have to be on edge to
do this anyway?

Besides with your flair for the new and untried
an easier way to sculpt your airfoil is in there.

That is one reason I pick the KR. So much
you can do to your own music

My dihedral will start inside the fuselage and
I want to cut/sand it all at one time if I can get
away with it. I just do not want to ruin allot of
foam. End up patching and filling.

Having to wait until spring to start my barn/garage to build in,
and with holes wearing through my plans from leafing,
ones mind wanders. Besides, I think it will work out, plus
others could borrow the machine. It would scale easily.




- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Foam cutting large scale


> Don't go too crazy guys.  With some 36 grit sandpaper glued to an aluminum
> angle, you can probably sand both wings completely to shape in 2-3 hours.
> That's probably less time than we've killed dreaming up a "better" way to 
> do
> it.  I thought of a "better" way to do it with the internal fiberglass 
> skin,
> and I spent a lot of time doing itbut I'm not sure it was worth the
> extra time.  Do what's worked for others and get on with the job...