Re: KR> 4-into-1 exhaust system help?

[John Bouyea via KRnet]

Mark,
Here's what I can share right off. If the Quickie exhaust system would work for 
you, lemme know.
http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/exhaust/Default.htm 

I also have another 4-into-1 for a TriGear but no photos of it tonight but I 
can have some for you tomorrow.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR@MMV Gathering CoHost

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KR> Flipping your plane over

[John Bouyea]

"I found a way to flip it all by my lonesome in a normal garage.?"

Don, I did the same and have photos here;
http://bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/flipomatic/index.htm


John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> More 2016 Gathering Photos...

[John Bouyea]

Larry Howell & Rob Schmitt sent photos to share with the group. You can see
them here;

http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/gathering2016.htm 



John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2/ OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> 2016 Gathering Web Page Updated

[John Bouyea]

Thanks to Larry & Paul for their call out for my efforts on the 2016
Gathering web pages and registration list. Hopefully I got your caps &
shirts counts correctly!
I missed the event as I was busy sealing up the aux fuel tanks in my wings.
12 gallons in the header tank just doesn't give much range when I have a
personal minimum 1 hour fuel reserve. Looking forward to getting my wings
back on today and getting off the ground again! Hopefully next year I can
fly it to the 2017 Gathering in Lee's Summit.
I updated the 2016 Gathering web page
(http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/gathering2016.htm) with what I've
gleaned from the KRNet email list and the photo Lee Van Dyke shared of the
forum. It looks like Larry's at the front of the room. Larry is also at the
front of the list for the most Gatherings he's hosted at KMVN. Nice job!
If you have photos you'd like to share on the 2016 Gathering page, email
them to me (kr2s at bouyea.net) and I'll post them.
Best wishes.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2/ OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> 2016 Gathering Attendees Page Updated

[John Bouyea]

I updated the Attendees page this afternoon. Now looking for 48! KR folks to
participate on Saturday alone. 
The Campers list is now showing at least 7 people camping down by the Lake.

Looking forward to a great Gathering!



John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> Gathering Campers

[John Bouyea]

I just found out the "I'm Camping" button on the Gathering registration form
wasn't working correctly. So if you ARE planning to camp at the Gathering,
please send a reply to kr2s at bouyea.net and let me know. I'll summarize the
count and pass it to Larry, our fearless Gathering host. Thanks guys!

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> 28 Days & Counting to the Gathering...

[John Bouyea]

Welcome to Charlie for his registration to the list of Gathering attendees.
Just 28 days to go until the biggest national KR event!



If you want to order any Gathering caps or shirts, you just have 3 more days
as Larry needs a cut-off on the 20th. If you DID order something, please
double-check your registration info and order to be sure I've captured it
correctly.  If you find an error, just reply to me and I'll get it
straightened out.



Thanks!

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> Here's Good News! 11 KRs Flying in to the Gathering!

[John Bouyea]

A bit behind in my updates but a big Welcome to Dean, Brad, Eric & Kevin,
the latest guys to register for the 2016 KR Gathering at Mt. Vernon! You can
see the entire list of 34 guys on the "Attendee List" 

And an expected 11 airplanes flying in at last count!

There's a bunch of KMVN specifics on the Airport Information page.

Finally, an At-A-Boy to Paul Visk for lining up so many sponsors. Check them
out on the Gathering webpage;

http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html 



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

[John Bouyea]

Hi Mark.
Can you tell us about which exhaust bung you welded into the manifold? I'm
wondering what size to order as I took the plunge like Chris...
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

... Bosch part number is 11027.  More on this is at
http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/o2meter/ . 

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Vacation Notice

[John Bouyea]

Guys, I'm headed out on vacation and the recent KR Gathering registrations
I've received will hold until I get back before I can post them to the
Attendees page. Don't worry about it, they aren't lost; just delayed until I
get back Sunday next. 



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> 85 Days until the 2016 KR Gathering

[John Bouyea]

http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html
I updated the registration/ roster this evening, catching up for a serious
delay in your messages. My apologies to David, Robert, Roger, Joe & Collin.
Welcome aboard guys!

I also updated the Fly-In Schedule page. As soon as Larry approves my edits
I'll get that posted too. Thank you.

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

KR> 19 year old KRnet "blast from the past"

[John Bouyea]

Glad somebody is having fun on http://www.sport-aircraft.org &.com & .net I've 
hosted those domains 12 years. I guess I should more actively promote the 
content...

Subject: Re: KR> 19 year old KRnet "blast from the past"
Wow!  A bunch of names in that thread that we haven't heard from in ages, and 
many I had forgotten. 
-Jeff Scott

I was doing a search for some plenum differential pressure measurements last 
night when I ran across this snippet of KRnet archive that rekindled some old 
memories. 
See http://www.sport-aircraft.org/digests/1997/197.txt if you have 10 minutes 
to kill, and still remember those earlier days on KRnet...
Mark Langford

KR> Older Revmaster 2180 questions

[John Bouyea]

Chris,
N5391M came with a Revmaster built for the run of Quickies in the early 80s.
Roberta told me they built a lot of engines then and maybe your engine is
part of that run. When I spoke to Joe about running the engine after it sat
for many years he told me to "change the oil and filter, start it up and see
what happens. You can always rebuild and maybe you don't have to right
away." Turns out to be working for me. I've had to replace one exhaust valve
and I always cut the filter open for inspection. Looking good so far. Your
results may vary. Good luck!
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

Chris,
I've had pretty good success with mine...
 Rob Schmitt
N1852Z
Web site www.robert7721.com

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Kayak Chris via KRnet 
wrote:

KR> revmaster for sale - Seattle

[John Bouyea]

On my way out the door to check the crank run out and hopefully bring it
home...

Subject: Re: KR> revmaster for sale - Seattle
I've looked at it, and it is fine. I've offered to help any KRer  with
shipping or hold it 'til they can get out this way. Peter

KR> 2016 KR Gathering Web Site Update

[John Bouyea]

Ok Paul,

*I updated the home page with our first sponsor, Wicks Aircraft. I sure
would like to give promotional exposure to other businesses who are willing
to support the 2016 KR Gathering!

*The Attendees list is also now updated with 8 people signed up already.
Builders/ flyers, if you haven't yet signed up
<http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering> , what are you waiting for?

Cheers!

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost



-Original Message-
From: Paul-Visk via KRnet
Subject: KR> 2016 KR Gathering Sponsors

I'm starting to get sponsors for the Gathering.  Do you know of a  company
that would like to contribute financially, with gift certificates  or with
promotional items ...

KR> KR2 landing video

[John Bouyea]

Thanks Chris. It WAS a pretty good morning! If I didn't have a head cold and
plugged up ears I'd be doing it again right now! Guess I'll have to ride the
mower instead... Have a great day.
JB

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Prata
via KRnet
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 7:49 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Chris Prata
Subject: Re: KR> KR2 landing video

john that vid is inspiring... 


> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 12:42:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2 landing video
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: john at bouyea.net
> 
> Mark, Nice view from inside the cockpit! Thanks for the inspiration!
> Last weekend, my buddy shot my takeoff as we departed my place for our 
> breakfast flight. You can see that here; 
> http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/Default.htm or here; 
> https://youtu.be/FNzZj-lIeTk For point of reference, Steve was 
> standing 750' from the end of our 2000'x80' grass strip where I live. 
> Life is good...
> 
> John Bouyea
> N5391M/ KR2
> OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
> 2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost
> 
> From: Mark Langford
> Subject: KR> KR2 landing video
> >>posted one to youtube last night, at https://youtu.be/y2PTrOBGAVU
> 
> 
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KR> For Sale: Complete Vacuum Gyro Setup and/ or Revmaster Vacuum Pump System

[John Bouyea]

It's Friday, so For Sale!

Complete set of vacuum equipment: Sigma-Tek artificial horizon and
directional gyros, suction regulator, filter and suction gauge, all from
Aircraft Spruce. This is New Old Stock stuff, sitting untouched in boxes for
many years. 

Also have the Revmaster Vacuum Pump System which includes the Airborne pump,
mount, pulley & belt.

If you are interested, please reply directly to me off the list; my email is
in the "To" field above. Thank you.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> I can get spoiled flying up here.

[John Bouyea]

Up hear or up here, we got you Paul. We ARE lucky and we recognize it! Just 
beautiful this morning; 8000 overcast, visibility unlimited, not a breath of 
wind and upper 50's 
Just got back from breakfast in the Cardinal. Now that I'm warmed up, it's time 
to take the KR out for its first flight since the condition inspection. Yee Haw 
pending...

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Paul Visk via KRnet  
wrote:
>...
> Gateway Arch. But up hear is something special. Dan P. and John B. and 
> everyone else who's up hear. You guys have it great up hear.
> : )
> Paul ViskBelleville Il 618 406 4705
>

KR> Fwd: Tail Addition and fuselage lengths

[John Bouyea]

Mine is 23" fwd & 98" aft to the TOP of the boat/ vertical stab spar
intersection. 
Standard KR2 engine mount @ 8.5" firewall to the Deihl accessory case.
Mine seems a bit tail heavy & needs a bit of nose down trim.
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of n357cj via
KRnet
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 4:23 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: n357cj
Subject: KR> Fwd: Tail Addition and fuselage lengths

Hey guys,
just poking around again to see if I can get any more fuselage dimensions as
requested in the post below. I only have about 12 right now and that does
not get a very good data base going. It is a bit warmer now in most parts so
take a tape measure with you to the hanger and do the best you can even it
is just to the closest inch.
Thanks,
Joe Horton

- Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: KR>  fuselage lengths

Morning Folks, 
?? I would like some more dimensions for the length of existing KR2 and KR2S
fuselages, (foreword face of main spar to back side of firewall and foreword
face of main spar to the intersection point of the tail post to fuselage
bottom) I have about 10 so far but I would like to get 3 or 4 times that
many to have a decent data base. ( I would like to hear from more of the
overseas guys... 
??

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KR> First flight

[John Bouyea]

Congratulations Robert! Your construction photos document your efforts very 
well. I hope your airplane flys as well. Please post details when you can share 
them.
John Bouyea
Hillsboro, OR
N5391M

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Pesak 
via KRnet
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 6:54 AM
To: KRnet at list krnet. org
Cc: Robert Pesak
Subject: KR> First flight



Hi everyone, I made my first flight yesterday and approximately 1:30 p.m. I 
guess now I can a log one takeoff and one landing.


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KR> 2016 KR Gathering location...MVN?

[John Bouyea]

Well, maybe one. Congratulations Terry Chizek!

-Original Message-
Cc: Dan Heath
Subject: Re: KR> 2016 KR Gathering location...MVN?

Having small local/regional meets will work great.  All YOU have to do is to
set it up and DO it.  As Larry has described, hosting a "Gathering" is a lot
of work.  I once set up a small meet in Florida, and I had the only KR
there.  You want it, DO it.  I keep reading about people wanting this, over
many years, and yet, NO ONE has DONE it.  There is nothing stopping you from
doing this.

KR> 2015 Gathering Preliminary Financials Posted

[John Bouyea]

PENDING FINAL TOTALS, the 2015 KR Gathering at McMinnville are now posted at
the http://bouyea.net/KRGathering site. Two major notes;

1.   Dan is still fielding orders for additional shirts & hats for a
final order. If you want anything, please contact him soon.

2.   As Jeff Scott pointed out, Dan & I forgot to pass the traditional
donation can around after the banquet. If you'd like you can still send a
donation to the dprich01 at comcast.net PayPal account Dan set up and he'll add
it to the amount forwarded to the next host. https://www.paypal.com/home 

When Dan processes the last orders, I'll update the "Cash Flow Report" page.
If you find a math error, please let me know directly. Hopefully this detail
will provide some guidance on the income & expense side of hosting a
Gathering. Thanks again to everyone.

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> two gathering sites

[John Bouyea]

I just went through the whole list of Gathering photos at
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering and found only 1990 & 2001 weren't working.
I'll get on that after I make some progress working on my KR today!
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott
via KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> two gathering sites
...  That's probably why those links are not functioning on John's Gathering
web site.  It is very tedious to download all photos individually to
recreate the site.  
-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM

KR> Gathering photos

[John Bouyea]

Hi Marc. I'll be glad to create & publish a 2014 Gathering Photos page. Can you 
pass them on to me? I wasn't there...

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Marc Baca via 
KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Gathering photos

Thanks Mike;
I noticed that there are no pictures of the 2014 Gathering.
I can forward the pictures from these two "quick and dirty"  slideshows that I 
put together immediately after each day of  the 2014 gathering should anyone be 
willing to post some of them on the web site.
Marc BacaEast Los Angeles
N13UG

KR> two gathering sites

[John Bouyea]

I spoke with Mark about being his backup. Since he has the KRNet.Org domain
name, it makes sense to have a backup admin. Mark, whenever you're ready I
can port the KRGathering stuff to the KRNet.Org site as a set of subpages.
Then accessing that collection will just be more pages on the same site. 
Going forward, I volunteer to admin the Gathering content or to pass the
keys to the then-current/ next year's host if they want to do it themselves.
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:16 AM
Subject: KR> two gathering sites
It won't be my call but, as a member of the steering committee, my
preference would be to have a site like Bob Lee maintained for us at
krgathering.org  where Gathering info, photos, and financial reports are all
on one conveniently located site.  I recall that Mark may have mentioned he
would do it but it would be nice if we had a volunteer to take this monkey
off his back.  It requires setting up a web page complete with photos and
Excell spread sheet.  Bob Lee did an outstanding job when he had the site
and I gave him a free hat and shirt each year for his efforts and cost.  All
I had to do was forward to him the info and it magically appeared on the web
page.  Amazing how that worked. Any takers?
Larry Flesner 

KR> Gathering photos

[John Bouyea]

KRNet Heads,
Mark & I must have been on the same page & both took most of the week off
after the Gathering. I just got home last night. It looks like there is a
lot of reading to catch up on... 

As to the Gathering web site, sorry for the delay on publishing pictures. I
didn't collect a ton of photos but what I have (including Kim & Roger
departing into the Sunday morning sunrise) are on the Gathering web page
referenced by the KRNet.Org web site;
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html or you can jump directly to it via;
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/gathering2015.htm 

If you want to see your images posted, please add to the collection. Email
your photos to me at (kr2s at bouyea.net) and I'll get them posted as soon
as I can. 

Thanks to everyone for making the 2015 Gathering a success!

John Bouyea/ 2015 Gathering Co-Host
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2015 6:46 PM
Cc: Mark Langford
Subject: Re: KR> Gathering photos
...
I took quite a few pictures...
... 
Mark Langford

KR> KR Gathering

[John Bouyea]

I'm gunning for Shortest Distance Flown; 22.5nm per SkyVector.com...
Looking forward to seeing everyone whether you travel by KR, airlines or
car. We've broken out of the hot days & should be in the low-mid 70s with
good VFR forecast.
Just finished fixing a few squawks and now it's time to put the Langford
tilt-forward canopy back on and fill it up for tomorrow's "big trip" to MMV.
Larry, can you give us a YeeHaw?
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:08 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Flesner
Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering

At 01:40 PM 9/2/2015, you wrote:
>What kind of Gathering is it when everyone is flying to it in damn 
>airliners???  Might as well be talking about a convention of people 
>attending a polar bear conference.
++

It's the difference between $700 for fuel or $400 for tickets, two partial
days travel instead of 4 or 5,  and for some, like me that are "sorta" still
employed "sometimes" it's less "no pay" days at work.  It would be a lot
more run and exciting to make the trip in the KR though.  I hope the flyers
living close bring their KR to drool over.  I'm guessing Jeff Scott will get
the "greatest distance flown" award as Langford might as well have tossed
out the possibility like excess ballast right before he planted his in the
bean field. :-(  I'm packed and leaving at 6:00 am tomorrow morning.

Larry Flesner 


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KR> 2015 KR Gathering Site Map Published

[John Bouyea]

Dan created a map of the site event. See it here:
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/krlodge.htm If it doesn't appear, be
sure to [Refresh] the web page.



East is at the top of the photo. Evergreen Air Museum is the largest and
most prominent feature you'll see as you approach MMV from the ground on
Highway 18, "East Salmon River Hwy." The airport entrance is on SE Cirrus
Ave, a bit East of the museum entrance.

Looking forward to seeing everyone. Safe travels!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

[ 97I - 282 - 5356] WORK cell number

KR> Reaming WAFs

[John Bouyea]

Don Reid wrote back in 2007 that the WAF bolts function better as a single
bolt in double shear top & bottom (2 total) than 2 on each fitting, forward
and aft, top & bottom (4 total). I know that KRs fly in both configurations.
My KR used 4 per side when I got it and (partially based upon Don's well
explained message) I have flown mine with 2 per side with a compression
spacer between the inner WAF sides. None have come apart at this location
that I am aware of anyway. 

From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Flesner via
KRnet
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2015 1:56 PM

I'm not an engineer but the following from the web would indicate that the
3/8" bolts (4 / each main spar attach) are a great deal more than adequate
for our application...
 

KR> 7 Days to the Gathering

[John Bouyea]

Just a week from today we're looking forward to seeing you arrive in
McMinnville! 



The initial shirt order is about ready to be picked up. Dan will have a few
extras at the event. We have an optional second order so if you missed out,
let us know you want one (or more) for a "refill" order that could take
place after the Gathering.

We're looking for some rain over the next few days so I'm keeping a
weather-eye out. 



I'll close the Pre-Registration Page later today. If you want to sign up,
please send an email to kr2s "at" bouyea.net and I'll make sure to get your
preferences about the banquet stored. 

Thanks.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Diehl nose gear spring locator tube.

[John Bouyea]

Jon,
I may have one you could have. I'll check tomorrow evening and reply
privately.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR



-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of jon kimmel
via KRnet
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 7:27 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: jon kimmel
Subject: KR> Diehl nose gear spring locator tube.

Going through the nose gear installation and determined I don't have the
nose gear spring locator tube.  If anyone knows a source, I would really
appreciate it.

https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/
https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
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KR> Less than 10 days to the Gathering!

[John Bouyea]

That's right; the 2015 KR Gathering at McMinnville just around the corner.

Quick update; 

*Dan stopped by this evening to pick up the check from Steve Glover
forwarding the funds remaining from the 2014 Chino Gathering @ $3266.12.
Hopefully there will be a full accounting to close those Gathering books.

*I flew Saturday morning before the wildfire smoke brought visibility to
less than the VFR 3 mile limitation. The rest of Saturday and all Sunday we
had vis from 1.5 to 2 miles. If you're flying in, please check both TFRs and
weather conditions before you launch.

*Dan says the banquet menu will feature chicken parm or flank steak so bring
your appetite! 

*I've got an air-to-air camera platform arranged for Mark L. to wield his
magic. Sure hope I get the chance for one of his signature photos!

*No promises but Dan's working on a mystery guest!



Looking forward to seeing you soon at McMinnville.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Only 16 days until the 2015 KR GATHERING!

[John Bouyea]

Can you give me a big ole' YeeHaaw!  Posting another Update.

Dan Prichard, Pete Gauthier and I met last Saturday morning for a review
session. Along with everything we've posted previously, here's the latest;



*The shirt order is going in soon so if you want apparel, please get your
order in soon at http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html 

*The awards will be ready for pick-up next week. 

*Jeff Scott offered to run a session on weight & balance and EAA Chapter 105
has scales. If anyone wants to use them, please reply to me privately.

*Mark Langford offered to do a session on composites. 

*Jeff Bertuleit from Props Inc will do a session on propellers and several
of the airplanes at the gathering use his props.

*Kurk from Dynon will be at the entire event so you have a great opportunity
to get some time with him.

*The "registration fee" is $82 and it includes your shirt, hat, the banquet
dinner and $25 towards defraying the cost of the event.

*The Evergreen Air Museum offers a "15-or-more person" group discount. If
you come to McMinnville & miss the museum, you'll kick yourself after. The
whole place is nicely air conditioned, so especially if it gets hot one
afternoon, it is strongly recommended a group of us walks across the street
as a side attraction!

*Aircraft Spruce, Wick Aircraft and Hegar Manufacturing have all made
contributions to the event. Please be sure to visit the tables where their
materials are on display!



A few other notes;

*If you haven't heard on the national news, there are a lot of wild fires
out west this summer. Be sure to check enroute visibility if you're flying
in. It hasn't been much of a problem at MMV or in Portland but it has been
hot & dry this summer with no major change forecast for Labor Day weekend.

*Thank you to Steve Glover for forwarding the Gathering Fund  balance from
the Chino event. 

*The airport doesn't permit open flames so no campfires this year. We expect
to have plenty of coolers for root beer and other beverages for hanging out.


*A big Thank You for all the assistance we've received from everyone on the
ground at MMV for their cooperation and support for this event.

*I just found out Collin Hales was camping at McMinnville last week on his
way to Alaska so the ground has already been blessed!



Looking forward to seeing you all!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Update: 28 Days Now Until MMV...

[John Bouyea]

Welcome to Dave Mullins and Allan Fink, the latest 2 pilots to register for
the 2015 KR Gathering at McMinnville.
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/index.html



You can sign up here
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html or, if you're
already registered, double-check your registration details on file.



We've had the driest summer anyone can recall in the Pacific Northwest. Our
long-range forecasts call for more dry weather so we're anticipating great
conditions for our Gathering. Hope to see you here!



Dan & John, Gathering Hosts



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Huh, 2 Twinked Off Valves in 1 Week?

[John Bouyea]

Thank you to Dave & Mark for their stories & photos of "dropping a valve" in
July. I worked as an aircooled VW mechanic for 3 years in the Sacramento
valley and worked on several hundred cars & engines over that time. I only
recall a few dropped valve heads like Dave & Mark photographed. While cars
don't pull the same power demands as do airplanes, they do run at very high
temps in the central California valley. Both of the shop owners were
insistent  upon one premise; any cylinder head that came apart for a valve
job always got new exhaust valves. We'd turn the intakes valves & reuse
those but we always installed new exhaust valves. If the customers allowed
it, we recommended and installed stainless valves. 

I'm not sure what I'm seeing in Dave's photo. If that is a valve in the
right side combustion chamber, I've never seen one with shouldered head
faced onto a stem. The stem sure looks burned.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> 35 Days now...

[John Bouyea]

Another BIG WELCOME, this time to Kim Neibauer and Mr. YeeHaaw himself,
Larry Flesner!



I updated the roster online
http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html along with the
shirt & hat orders. If you see an error in your listing, please reply to me
privately. 



Thanks folks!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Just 37 Days now...

[John Bouyea]

Paul, 
Sorry I cannot answer that question; I don't have any access to last year's 
records. Maybe Steve G?
JB

-Original Message-
From: KRnet On Behalf Of Paul Visk via KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Just 37 Days now...

I'm curious, are we on track compared to last year at this time for sign ups?

Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Fly Now" the Movie Trailer: 
https://youtu.be/AkbCmDfHYak

KR> Just 37 Days now...

[John Bouyea]

To the 2015 Gathering! Welcome to Rodger Nicols & Roger Bulla, our latest
additions to the list of attendees. 



We've had a lot of sun and warmth so far this year. I don't expect any
change based upon the patterns we've experienced. Sounds like great weather
to have as many KRs show up in McMinnville as possible. We have 8 signed up
so far. We'd love to host your KR here too!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> bean field landing

[John Bouyea]

Mark,
Congratulations on a safe outcome. Another trip through the tulles and
you've made another great choice in where & when to put down. You kept a
clear head and flew it all the way to your stopping point. That's a lesson
for us all.

I expect you'll have a lot of gawkers  so I hope you have a safe trip home.
Looking forward to your write-up after the engine teardown. If you're seeing
big inside parts from the outside I will guess that there's a Corvair headed
for the front end of Jim's airplane in the future...

Hope we still see you in McMinnville. The offer for the museum stands!
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
Subject: KR> bean field landing
I had another adventure on my way back from AirVenture.  See
http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/flights/beanfield/ for details.  Not my proudest
moment, but the plane and I are OK and that's all that really matters...
--
Mark Langford

KR> Update3: 49 Days & Counting until 2015 KR Gathering at McMinnville

[John Bouyea]

Yes, Mark Jones, just 49 days remaining until the first attendees begin to
arrive...

Welcome to Al Hawkins and Joe Davis, the latest folks to sign up for the
2105 KR Gathering @ MMV! Looking forward to seeing you out here. If you
haven't yet registered, you can do so here: http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/
or here http://bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html 


On a personal note, I'm at 36.8 hours in N5391M and rapidly closing on the
magic 40! I sure have yelled out a lot of Yahoos!

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Nose Wheel Strut Security

[John Bouyea]

Hi Sid.
You describe the factory installation; I've had the pleasure of buying 2 of
them!

Second time around, I shimmed the tube inside the socket with some thin shim
stock. I forgot the size; might have been beer can...

Best wishes.
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2 36.8 hours and Oh so close to 40!
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Sid Wood via
KRnet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 10:00 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: Sid Wood
Subject: KR> Nose Wheel Strut Security

The Diehl nose wheel strut on my KR-2 is a bent pipe; that slides into a
pipe socket bolted to the firewall and engine mount.  The strut is pinned in
place with (2) 5/16-inch AN5 bolts and metal stop nuts.  The bolts are in
close fitting holes match drilled through the strut pipe and the mounting
socket per the Diehl installation instructions.  The AN5 bolts are
90-degrees cross and about 1-inch apart.  The strut pipe and socket are a
smooth sliding fit.
The strut has a very small wiggle in the socket even with the AN5 bolts very
tight.  With weight on the nose wheel and pushing on the front, there is a
rubbing sound due to the strut wiggling.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/expercraft/sidwood/37881126355a3ed7bdc73a.jpg
Does this indicate some wear action that may eventually cause major problems
later on?

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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KR> Update2: 2015 KR Gathering at McMinnville - 55 Days & Counting!

[John Bouyea]

We are extending a big WELCOME to Beverly "Evans" Simmons & Dennis Dyer,
both from Colorado! These folks are the latest to sign up for the 2015
Gathering. 



The roll showing all 22 people (so far) is on the PreRegistration page found
here; http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/ 



Note: If you cannot see the web links on the left of the page (no frame
support) try this link;
http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html 



Yes, Mark Jones, Just 55 Days Remaining to the Greatest KR Fly-In anywhere
this year! Make your plans to be there.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> 2015 KR Gathering @ McMinnville Web Pages Are Up

[John Bouyea]

Hi Pete.
Thanks for the plug! Don't worry, I have that info. (1 @ XL, 1 Banquet
ticket) I just didn't share those details on the publicly viewed
registration list. 

If you HAVEN'T yet signed up, please do so now! You can get to the KR
Gathering site here: www.http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering Just click the
Pre-Registration link and fill out the form. When you do, you'll get an
email confirming all the details of your registration, including your
clothing order. I'll update the list every few days and then you'll see
yourself on the Registration page:
http://www.bouyea.net/KRGathering/web_pages/pre-reg-form2.html 

Plan now to attend the first Northwest KR Gathering in McMinnville. We look
forward to hosting you and sharing our little slice of heaven!
John Bouyea
KR2/ N5391M
Hillsboro, Oregon

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Pete Klapp
via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 9:36 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Cc: Pete Klapp
Subject: Re: KR> 2015 KR Gathering @ McMinnville Web Pages Are Up


 John
Looks like you were able to salvage some or all of those who had previously
register. But I don't see any info on details for the shirts and hats that
were placed during the original registration. Should we re-enter that info?
Please advise.
Thanks, Pete Klapp

> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:29:48 -0700
> Subject: KR> 2015 KR Gathering @ McMinnville Web Pages Are Up
> From: krnet at list.krnet.org
> CC: john at bouyea.net
> 
> The prior KR Gathering web site isn't available any more. I 
> volunteered to get something running.  You'll notice what we have 
> again is the web site that Bob Lee created and Sheryl passed to Mark 
> Langford. Until Mark gets the KRNet.org link repointed, you can see 
> the 2015 KR Gathering @ MMV pages here; http://bouyea.net/KRGathering
> 
>  
> 
> I have most of the 2015 Gathering web pages ready;
> 
> . The Home, Airport Info, Lodging, Schedule, Contacts & Cash Flow
> pages are updated
> 
> . The Prior Gathering photos are available again. Thanks to those
> that said they were having a problem. It was on this end.
> 
> . Marc Bacca & Greg Skidgel sent photos from 2014 and I'll build a
> photo page for Chino that is missing in action. Thanks guys!
> 
> . Steve Glover said he'd get to the Cash Flow numbers soon
> 
>  
> 
> Please note: we lost our current list of attendees. As soon as I get 
> the Registration page working (hopefully tomorrow) I'll let you know 
> you can sign up again. Sorry about that. Going forward I'll update the 
> roster at least weekly.
> 
>  
> 
> If you have any constructive comments, please address them to me at 
> kr2s at bouyea.net Thanks for your patience guys!
> 
>  
> 
> John Bouyea
> 
> N5391M/ KR2
> 
> OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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KR> 2015 KR Gathering @ McMinnville Web Pages Are Up

[John Bouyea]

The prior KR Gathering web site isn't available any more. I volunteered to
get something running.  You'll notice what we have again is the web site
that Bob Lee created and Sheryl passed to Mark Langford. Until Mark gets the
KRNet.org link repointed, you can see the 2015 KR Gathering @ MMV pages
here; http://bouyea.net/KRGathering 



I have most of the 2015 Gathering web pages ready;

. The Home, Airport Info, Lodging, Schedule, Contacts & Cash Flow
pages are updated

. The Prior Gathering photos are available again. Thanks to those
that said they were having a problem. It was on this end.

. Marc Bacca & Greg Skidgel sent photos from 2014 and I'll build a
photo page for Chino that is missing in action. Thanks guys!

. Steve Glover said he'd get to the Cash Flow numbers soon



Please note: we lost our current list of attendees. As soon as I get the
Registration page working (hopefully tomorrow) I'll let you know you can
sign up again. Sorry about that. Going forward I'll update the roster at
least weekly.  



If you have any constructive comments, please address them to me at
kr2s at bouyea.net Thanks for your patience guys!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Call for Photos from 2014 Gathering

[John Bouyea]

Call For Photos:
If you have a few digital photos from 2014 Gathering @ Chino that you want
to share a 2014 web page, forward them to kr2s at bouyea.net. I'll add them to
the new 2014 Gathering page. If you include a description and your name I'll
add it as a credit. Thank you.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> 2015 KR Gathering

[John Bouyea]

To everyone; Hang on for just a bit longer and I'll get this resolved after
the weekend. I'm hosting a family gathering at my house and everyone goes
home Sunday. 
I got access permissions yesterday and sound be able to put it right Monday.
Sorry for the delay!

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

> >
> > The site at www.KRGathering.com is lacking because Steve doesn't 
> > have time to shave, much less keep that website up to date. He 
> > didn't have much to start with either, other than a website backup 
> > that I made a few months before Bob Lee's server went offline early last
year.
> >
> > John Bouyea is working on a McMinnville version that will be linked 
> > to www.KRnet.org when he's finished, and I'm sure it will answer all 
> > of the usual questions and more.  If there is a holdup, it's 
> > probably me, as I told John almost two weeks ago I'd send him the 
> > username/password and completely forgot to send it because a "fire" 
> > broke out at work that I've been working continuously ever since, 
> > with over 120 hours in the last two weeks.
> >

KR> Update 1: 2015 KR Gathering @ MMV

[John Bouyea]

Ok, it?s time for an update! Dan Prichard & I met over the weekend and he wants 
to share some news with everyone. 



First off; Mark September 3 ? 6, 2015 on your calendar to join us at the 2015 
KR Gathering @ MMV.



The Gathering web site is here: http://krgathering.com Click the link to jump 
onto the 2015 Registration pages. Please do so if you haven?t already. We want 
to get an idea on the number of attendees who are thinking about coming, at 
least at this point. This isn?t a commitment, just a roll call.



We have several people who volunteered to host seminars including;

-Weight & Balance by Jeff Scott. I hope to have a full set of scales available 
for those who want to go through the process to update your numbers.

-Props Inc. presentation by the owner Jeff Bertuleit & his business site is:  
http://www.propsinc.net 

-Composites Handling Techniques by Mark Langford

-Panther aircraft and Corvair engine 5th Bearing  by developer Dan Weseman & 
his business site is: http://flywithspa.com 

If there is something YOU?D like to do, let us know and we?ll get with you to 
work out the details and get you on the event roster.



Other activity ideas include;

-The Saturday Night Banquet (of course!)

-Swap Meet/ table space

-Air-to-Air photo opportunity

-Local Airports Tour (there are over 10 airports within 25 miles of MMV)

-Group tour of the Evergreen Museum, home of the Spruce Goose 
http://evergreenmuseum.org/the-museum/aircraft-exhibits 

While these are easy and close-by, there many other things to do & see within 
30/ 60/ 90 minutes. 



Let us know your ideas on how to make this one of the ?best ever? KR Gatherings!



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> finishing up

[John Bouyea]

Robert, 
Congratulations on your beautiful work! Looks like an award winner!
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
 Hi everyone,I've been working every day trying to get everything ready for the 
DAR, he has got me set up for the end of April. I received my registration two 
week ago and I painted N863RK on the tail. 863 is my EAA chapter in Lebanon ,Tn 
and the RK is Robert & Kathy.

http://s449.photobucket.com/user/rkpsk1/library/

KR> testing 1..3

[John Bouyea]

Hi Roger. Looks interesting and tidy. Do you envision needing to replace fuses/ 
reset breakers in-flight?

-Original Message-
...For access, the panel swings out, hinged on the right side adjacent to the 
glove box. Fuse/ relay panel is behind, and it also swings out to access 
contactor, volt regulator and wirebundle...
Roger Baalman

KR> Looking for Bob Johnson

[John Bouyea]

We lost Bob Johnson a few year back. He was a good friend of a guy I know
who passed the news along to me.  Wish tail winds for him.
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
Subject: KR> Looking for Bob Johnson
I am looking to talk to Bob Johnson that built the KR2SSW.  Please email me
so I can ask you some questions about some of your construction.  I am
thinking I want to use some of your ideas.
Thanks
Earl Klinker

KR> The 2015 KR Gathering @ MMV

[John Bouyea]

Hi Dan and everybody.
RE: The 2015 KR Gathering @  MMV
I volunteered to build a web page to distribute info. I haven't built it yet
and hope to do so this week. I'll get lodging and other data from Dan and
share it soon. There as just been too much really good flying weather in the
Pacific Northwest this winter and I'm spent my spare time flying, not on the
computer...
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
I have a question for you Dan, do you know when we will expect information
on lodging for the Gathering?
Also, will there be a KRGathering web site?
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KR> Radios

[John Bouyea]

Hi Dan.
I didn't research the matter but I think there is something about
"non-permanently installed equipment"; that's how the first EFBs entered the
market. My Icom A5 failed (ok, I fried it) and I'm now using an A6 with
success. 
Heading out of here for a few landings @ MMV...
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 9:22 AM
Are com radios required to have a 8130 for experimental aircraft as long as
they are not on the FAAs banned list?
Dan Prichard

KR> Touchdown speed

[John Bouyea]

Rob,
This data is very helpful to me, thanks. I see the same thing; especially
pitch stability decreasing rapidly with slower indicated airspeed.

Question: If you cross the numbers @ 80, what distance passes from the
numbers to your touchdown point? 

John Bouyea/ N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR is 2000' grass...

-Original Message-
From: KRnet/Rob Schmitt
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:04 AM
...
I use 80 mph over the numbers, and then flare. I really am not exactly sure
the exact landing speed, but it is probably closer to 70, then 60. This is
how I was taught by Terry Chezik and it works well. If you run below that
speed, the airplane get more unstable and is harder to control. It works
well for me on my Trigear. 
...
Over 620 hours now. No crashes, replaced landing gear, or other damage to me
or airplane. I don't think I'm going to change anything I'm doing now.
Rob Schmitt

KR> taxi testing

[John Bouyea]

Somehow my earlier post didn't. Resubmitting...

> On February 4, 2015 at 11:19 AM Jeff Scott via KRnet
 wrote: 
... I suspect a lot of people on this list simply can't afford to get time
in a similar handling plane with a similar configuration, or access to a
similar plane simply may not be available.  So you may have to learn your
plane somewhat on the ground while you work up the courage to fly it.
That's not the best method, but sometimes may be the only method
available... 


Jeff, You nailed this one on the head. Just try being 6'2", 200# and fitting
into someone else's KR to get some stick time. It doesn't happen. We've beat
the "what's similar" topic to death. There is nothing out there commonly
available that you can rent with an instructor comes even remotely close to
the stick sensitivity in a "plans-built" KR control system. At least that
what I have found out. From my own experience, trying to learn my airplane
and getting the courage up to fly did happen at the same time. I totally
agree with your description of "it may be the only method available." I
almost appealed to the list to see if I could get some stick time anywhere
in the US before my first flight.  

My first landing ended up with a bent nose gear. My second takeoff had PIO
that was very uncomfortable. Luckily, so far since then my learning curve
has been successful. I expect we would have more successful (and less
pucker-inducing) first flights in KRs if we had a training and transition
method. It is available in RVs but they are cookie-cutter airplanes. This
could be a strike against our "none of our KRs come from the same mold." 

I don't know how to solve the issue. Any ideas on improving our
first-flights? 

John Bouyea/ N5391M/ OR81, just 25 nm away from KMMV...

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott
via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 8:20 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> taxi testing

>  
> 
>  >>Do your high-speed taxi training after your plane has flown with a
"genius" pilot.
> 
> 
> 
>
>  Mark;
>  Very thoughtful response. Thanks. I am an A and a commercial pilot, so
this question comes up every time we do a repair or modification on an
aircraft...who should test-fly the plane? Who is paying me to take another
risk in another beater Cessna 150? Which reminds me of a story...

>  When I was young and inexperienced in flying, I found myself in a
gyrocopter at the end of a country airstrip, planning a high-speed taxi run
to "get the feel" of my new ship. I had been running up and down the strip
with partial throttle, learning to power up the rotor by gradually feeding
in pitch as I advanced the throttle bit by bit. It was clear to me that I
had good directional control, and I could feel the kinetic energy being
stored in the rotor, so the next step was to gradually transfer weight from
the wheels to the rotor with a little back pressure on the stick. What I
didn't know, was what the very-brave and very-human pilot would do when the
plane rocketed upwards at very low groundspeed with a fully spooled rotor.
What a view as I lifted off! What an unforgettable experience! What an
expensive, valuable lesson! I never did find my glasses or shoe ( wear laced
shoes, not loafers, oh! and a helmet, not a baseball cap). Learn from
other's, or relearn on your own...I was very lucky. Will you be?
>  

Good Story Peter.  I had an identical situation with an identical machine.
The end result was that I paid to rebuild a gyrocopter and lost about an
inch in stature with 5 fractures in my lower back.  I survived thanks to a
stout 5 point harness and good helmet.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but will anyway.  Just my opinion
here.  After about 3 runs down the runway with partial throttle, the
airplane has already told you everything it's going to tell you.  It sounds
like we have lots of folks on here to want to learn to fly by doing repeated
crow hops on the runway.  If that's the case, you may want to seriously
consider finding a test pilot for your aircraft and developing your skills a
bit further with an aircraft with better known qualities.  The repeated crow
hops are more about developing pilot skills than learning the aircraft
itself.  Here's where reality sets in.  I suspect a lot of people on this
list simply can't afford to get time in a similar handling plane with a
similar configuration, or access to a similar plane simply may not be
available.  So you may have to learn your plane somewhat on the ground while
you work up the courage to fly it.  That's not the best method, but
sometimes may be the only method available.

Ask yourselves this question.  During WWII when the military was doing
minimal training of pilots with Stearmans, T-6's, and at around 200 hours,
putting them into a single seat fighter planes,

KR> 900' Landing Rollout

[John Bouyea]

I got my KR back home today at my home strip. I floated more than I expected
but I got stopped in 900' even with our wet grass today and minimal braking
effectiveness. That's a good thing; our strip is 2000' with a ditch at the
over-run end.



Anyway, 14 landings at the big airport and I feel somewhat competent now.
Finally it is tucked away safely back at my home workshop/ hangar again. Let
the improvements continue!



MAJOR thanks to my neighbor Ken Melvin for letting me borrow his deluxe
hangar at Hillsboro (KHIO) while I learned to operate this rascal. Sure am
having fun now! 



Flying is SO much better than building!

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> today's flight, LED nav lights?

[John Bouyea]

Nice going Mark! That sure beats my flying around the patch today as I only got 
.6 and 1 landing. I need to tweak my RevFlow; it's running way too rich.

-Original Message-
Subject: KR> today's flight, LED nav lights?

...[but I ran out of time and decided to just fly around the patch, 
literally]...
--
Mark Langford

KR> First flight of the year

[John Bouyea]

At the risk of a "me too" I got 30 minutes in the Cardinal and an hour in
N5391M today, practiced some slow flight, approaching the full stall break
and just 1 landing to tuck it away safely. Hoping to get out again tomorrow.
Clear winter days in Oregon are a wonderful thing.

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 8:04 PM
Subject: KR> First flight of the year

Well, since Mark Jones didn't pipe up with "first flight of the year" 
news, I guess I should take up his slack.  I flew 1.8 hours today, doing ...
Mark Langford

KR> Touchdown Speeds?

[John Bouyea]

Thanks for the input everyone. I appreciate you all sharing experience of
your thousands of KR landings versus my grand total of 5. I know I'm going
too fast on final and my PIOs just before touchdown prove it. I've got the
new belly brake down and I'm still trying to learn the delicate touch
required to transition from keeping it just off the runway to greasing it
on, just like Jim Faughn's How to Land a KR
<http://www.krnet.org/faq/chapter11/faughn/perfect_landing.html>  says. I've
not yet touched down as smoothly as Jones demonstrates it IS possible. More
flights and more landings to get it sorted out.



I guess why I'm confused is doesn't Joe Weber fly from a 1300' grass strip?
It makes me think slow flight is closely related or is it another thread? 



(Sorry if this topic is too many words; I'm seeking safer flying) Slow
flight... I know most builders aren't working towards the slow end of the
flight regime but the range from slow to fast is what makes every airplane
more useful. Van calls it "total performance." If the practical range of
operations is 70 - 165 mph (+/-) that's an awesome range and it makes me
think 50 - 165 is even more awesome. Slow controlled flight leads to safer
transitions from flight to landing/ rollouts. Van's site says: "In the event
of an unavoidable crash landing, (engine failure over rough terrain, for
instance) their low landing speed has been a real lifesaver. A crash at 50
mph is 70% more survivable than one at 65 mph."
https://www.vansaircraft.com/public/rv-design.htm 



Flying MCA (minimal controllable airspeed) at altitude lets us dial in pitch
attitude, speed and power to come up with what works to maintain level
flight. 



We did plenty of MCA training before solo. We also "dragged the runway"
(level flight about 2 - 3 feet off the ground for close to 2000') as
pre-landing practice. That's what my primary instructor wanted to see while
dragging the runway; if 1500 rpm, full flaps and (what was it in a C150?) 48
mph indicated level flight, a tiny bit less than that would be a gentle
descent (i.e. landing) onto the runway. You can see where I'm going, right?



I guess the question is this: does anyone out there do MCA practice
(maintaining MCA for minutes at a time, including 30 degree banked 360
degree turns in both directions) as a regular training aide? I still do it
in the Cardinal at least every 5th flight. Or did my primary instructor just
brainwash me? 



Thanks guys.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR





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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
via KRnet
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 7:32 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Touchdown Speeds?



Larry Flesner wrote:



> With 500+ hours I could not tell you what my actual touch down speed  >is.
The last time I look at the ASI on approach is when I cross the  >numbers.



I pretty much do the same, but also make an effort to gather data such as
this to pass on to others, as questions like this come up often.  I can't
afford to pay much attention to the GPS on my short and narrow runway, but
on a calm day when I'm doing touch and goes at somewhere like KFYM that's a
lot more forgiving, I'll watch the GPS and take my time waiting for it to
gently settle.  So much of what I read on the web regarding KR landing and
stall speeds is physically impossible, and I do my best to report very
accurate information without any wishful thinking added in.



A case in point is as Larry pointed out, a case of air speed indicator error
at the low end, which is fairly common.  Jim Faughn wrote the definitive
work on landing a KR, but he mentions seeing speeds as low as

40 mph at touchdown.  Now that I've pulled the panel out and replaced it
with something semi-"calibratable", verfied against GPS on a calm day (at
altitude), I can clarify that 40 mph is an Indicated Airspeed, not a True
Airspeed.  To be fair, GPS didn't exist when he wrote that, so error is
understandable.  Having said that, no discussion on landings is complete
without a read of Jim's excellent work at
<http://jfaughn.com/other/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_landing.html>
http://jfaughn.com/other/kr/uniquepartsofmykr/kr_landing.html.  I'm not sure
I'd change a word of it today except for the low speed part.  But there's
certainly no doubt that he was a lot better at landing N891JF than I am!



On that topic, my wonder-wife read my mind and bought a GoPro-like Sony
HDR-AS100V Action Cam for me for Christmas, which I'm in the process of
mounting in N891JF, which should help nail down some performance numbers
while the camera looks at the iEFIS and iFly720 during the landing.  The
camera even has it's own GPS built in, with a speed display option. I look
forward to the information I can gain from this, as well as the critique of
my landings and other antics.  And maybe I'll capture a few more sunset

KR> Gear Legs

[John Bouyea]

Hi Pete. I don't have dimensions at hand so I'll try to get measurements
when I get out to HIO this afternoon/ evening. There is a straight edge and
an edge with a joggle dimension. Here's the process I went through to fit
them to my tri-gear.
http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/newlgear/index.htm 

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Gear Legs

This thread started as a request for the dimensions for the Diehl legs.  ...
BUT I have no idea because I don't know the dimensions of the  Diehl gear.
Does anyone have a set they can measure?  I will really appreciate knowing
shape and size of the Diehl leg.

Legless in Oregon.
AKA Pete Gauthier

KR> Learnings from My First Flight

[John Bouyea]

I promised some feedback after I digested my first few flights so here is
what I have to offer. Please take it for what it costs you; just the time to
read it. I'm open for clarifications or, as noted below, a good critique.



1.   Don't underestimate the value of a long runway for your taxi tests.
I figured I could get the information and testing I needed with my 2000'
grass strip. That helped but it proved to be not enough data for me. I did
get the engine running well & the alignment of the nose gear figured out.
That's great but as several of you have mentioned the value of the crow hops
and re-lands was helpful. I didn't get that benefit and, after 2 takeoffs at
McMinnville (MMV), I still had some PIO and resulting pucker. I think more
runs, both up and down a longer runway and crow hops might have allowed me
to "hop up" and let back down right away. That might have stabilized my
first takeoff.

2.   About the PIO and center stick; I figured I could rest or at least
stabilize my arm by holding my elbow against the outside of my thigh. That
didn't work well when close to the ground. 10' - 30' vertical excursions
1000' off the ground aren't any deal at all. Close to the runway it's
another matter, right? "Luckily" for me, nobody was running a video camera
of my first attempts. I'm sure it would have been very enlightening but
probably a little concerning as well. At least it looked a little dicey from
inside the cockpit. So I've made a wooden box-type arm rest that I'll
install prior to another flight. Maybe everyone doesn't, but I guess I need
that help. 

3.   If you can have someone trusted fly alongside your first flights,
it was a comforting feeling knowing I had eyes outside the airplane. It's
nice to know there isn't oil leaking out, parts flapping around or whatever.
It's also quite nice to have someone on the ground when you do make your
first landing. I enjoy a good, honest critique especially when their efforts
help you realize you really did float the first 1500' of the runway and it
DID look like you were going pretty fast on short final. The airplane
wouldn't have dropped out of the sky and I put a little too much credibility
in the numbers shown on my Dynon & backed up by the "steam gauge." They
agreed and, according to the manometer, they didn't leak. That still doesn't
mean they are accurate.

4.   MORE SLOW FLIGHT. My flight test plan, derived from Rick Junkin &
Zipper Goodman (where is Dave anyway?), said the first 2 flights are all
about getting confidence in the engine running and the controls moving the
airframe appropriately. Yes, the engine ran and runs just fine. The stick
and rudder make the airplane move in the right directions. Ok that's fine.
Flying slow is how we have safer landings. I know the first flights aren't
to set the record for how a stall series will be documented. Dang nabbit,
ENOUGH SLOW FLIGHT just didn't happen on my first 3 flights and as a result
I don't have the confidence to know how it performs when going slow,
especially when close to the ground (see #2 above!) I promise to myself to
figure that out on the next 3 flights. 

5.   I would loved to flown in a KR2 prior to my first flight (maybe
with somebody at a Gathering.) I'm 6'2' & 205# and just too big to get a
ride, I guess. Knowing what I know now, I would even have paid for a
commercial flight to visit the location of a willing KR-tutor. I thank my
neighbors, especially the 1.7 hours I got in Jerry VansGrunven's RV12,
N612RV. We pretended I couldn't see the instruments and he made me fly it by
how it felt. Now after 1.7 hours in N5391M I realize the RV12 doesn't feel
anything like the KR. That's ok; it still feels different than the 800-some
hours in my Cardinal and that was a big help. 



That's enough rambling from me. I hope this might help somebody getting
ready for THEIR first flight. Cheers.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Stick imbalance

[John Bouyea]

Jeff, Thanks again for your reply. I found even better photos of your wedges
on the 2004 Gathering page. http://krnet.org/mvn2004/040929462.jpg That's
when we met! Anyway the simple tab I added seems to be working. Next up is
an armrest. I need one... Thanks again for your help.  
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott
via KRnet
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 8:19 PM
To: krnet
Subject: Re: KR> Stick imbalance

Congratulations John!

If your W is correct, the most likely culprit is going to be the incidence
of the horizontal stab.  I had the same issue (except mine wanted to dive at
the ground).  I flew for several years with some rather large trim wedges
glued to the trailing edge of the elevator to correct the stick pressures
and allow my trim tab to do it's job.  That was eventually fixed when I
built the new tail and corrected the incidence.

If you look at the air to air photos of my KR from the 2002 Red Oak
Gathering, the photo of me rolling away from the photo plane (over half way
down the page) shows the wedges on the bottom of the elevator.

Congrats again.

Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM


> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 at 8:42 PM
> From: "John Bouyea via KRnet" 
> To: KRnet 
> Subject: KR> Stick imbalance
>
> During my entire flight today, I had to hold forward pressure on the
stick.
> This made my takeoff more exciting than it needed to be while I 
> figured that issue out. Landing became more an issue of reducing some 
> forward pressure as opposed to increasing back pressure. I'll head 
> into published readings about this imbalance and specifically how to cure
it.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm pretty sure my weight and balance is correct and with pilot and 
> fuel loaded, I'm 3.5" aft of the forward-most CG. That leaves the trim 
> tab "neutral position" is set incorrectly or it's just too darn small. 
> I'm taking tools to MMV tomorrow to make what adjustments I can before 
> further flight.
> 
>  
> 
> Can anyone comment on facing & curing the same problem in their KR? 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> John Bouyea
> 
> N5391M/ KR2
> 
> OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

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KR> Stick imbalance

[John Bouyea]

Thank you to everyone for their replies and suggestions on fixing the stick
forces. I added a fixed tab as everyone described and I guess I got lucky.
It measures 5? wide by 1 ?? beyond the trailing edge. I bent it up about 30
degrees. Voila! That was enough help to the existing trim tab that so t now
operates effectively. Hard to believe as minor a modification could have
such a great impact on overall results. It?s ugly but very secure and now
?officially flight tested!? I?ll make a bunch of appearance improvements
after I get comfortable with its operation but for now I?m flying with a
working trim system. Gentlemen, Thank you.



Yes, about the same as Jeff reported.  I glued a piece of bent aluminum,
guessing at the amount of bend needed.  When I got it right, I riveted the
aluminum piece to the trailing edge of the elevator and
filled/sanded/painted and you can hardly tell it is there.



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KR> "First" Flight Report

[John Bouyea]

Hi Tony.

Congrats on getting your KR into the air.  

Thank you, I?m still quite excited about it! And sorry for the delay in 
answering your query. I?ve been having too much fun flying since I got off the 
ground. C177A, KR2, RV8A, and a RV9A all in the last 48 hours. YeeHaww Larry!



I'm interested that you're operating from a 2,000 ft grass strip.
Let me clarify that point.

Our strip OR81 (http://airnav.com/airport/OR81) hosts about 15 airplanes 
ranging from RV?s (4, 6, 8 & 12) using about 1/3 of it to a Beech 36 who uses 
about ? of it. Most of the pilots here have flown from here many years and it?s 
what we just know and use. I actually land my Cardinal in less than factory 
book numbers when I?m really on top of it. I can get down and stopped in under 
600?. There?s not a lot of room for variance in speeds. There is something 
about only having so much available and just making it work. It?s a whole 
separate topic but ?Slow Flight? and being comfortable operating close to MCA 
has a big impact on being successful. In the Cardinal, I have more fun going 
slow than trying to go fast.



Did you have any concerns about your KR operating from your strip?  Is it the 
takeoff or the landing that uses the most real estate?  

Yes. I?m afraid it?s going to be the landing part that is the issue here. My 
first takeoff I was off the ground in about 800? no problem. That doesn?t leave 
much/ any room for putting it back down if there is a problem but that?s a 
given here. Friday, I launched from here and flew to MMV 
(http://airnav.com/airport/MMV) for my first landings. Having a mile of runway 
in front of me made that almost a non-event. My first landing at MMV I floated 
above the runway almost 1500? according to Jerry VanGrunsven. That simply isn?t 
going to work at home. My plan is to learn/ teach myself how to slow fly this 
thing. I don?t know who said it but Dan Pritchard reminded me he read that 5 
knots extra on landing could equate to 500? more landing distance. So to answer 
your question, landing takes more than takeoff.



What are the characteristics of your KR (engine, weight, flaps, etc.) that 
might affect takeoff and landing performance?
I?m learning to fly a KR2 ?kinda S? as it has an extra bay in the back but no 
2? extension in front of the mail spar.
Revmaster 2100, Great Plains 4-into-1 exhaust header (and I DO think it makes a 
difference)
About 630# and I want to reweigh it after the trim incident (separate message 
coming on that)
Belly brake ala Heath/ Jones/ Langford variety (long overdue updates coming to 
my KR web page soon)

Great big 5.00x5 main tires running at 20psi and Deihl nose gear without any 
fairing yet



Once again, congratulations.

Thanks again! 
John Bouyea ? no longer a virgin
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Stick imbalance

[John Bouyea]

During my entire flight today, I had to hold forward pressure on the stick.
This made my takeoff more exciting than it needed to be while I figured that
issue out. Landing became more an issue of reducing some forward pressure as
opposed to increasing back pressure. I'll head into published readings about
this imbalance and specifically how to cure it. 



I'm pretty sure my weight and balance is correct and with pilot and fuel
loaded, I'm 3.5" aft of the forward-most CG. That leaves the trim tab
"neutral position" is set incorrectly or it's just too darn small. I'm
taking tools to MMV tomorrow to make what adjustments I can before further
flight.



Can anyone comment on facing & curing the same problem in their KR? Thank
you.



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> "First" Flight Report

[John Bouyea]

Well, it finally came together for me. N5391M made its second flight this
afternoon. I'm not counting the "other" first flight a few years ago because
the landing wasn't so good. Anyway after 2 PIO excursions on takeoff, I had
a pretty nice .9 hour ride from my 2000' grass strip OR81 to MMV, site of
the 2015 KR Gathering. I had to do a go-around on my first approach but the
second approach was reasonable and lead to a safe landing. I tucked it into
a hanger and caught a ride home with Jerry Van Grunsven in his RV8A, 1 of my
2 chase planes. I now really understand Flesner's YeeHaws! I belted out 2 of
those and it sure added to the fun.



Right now I want to digest a few things more fully before I post what I've
learned. Until then, I want to express my deep gratitude to everyone on the
list and especially, Mark Langford, Dan Heath and Oscar Zuniga  for their
ongoing support for my efforts. 



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> Additional pilot now allowed on homebuilt first flights

[John Bouyea]

Eric,
Thanks for passing on notice of this AC 
http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_90-116.pdf 

 I read only part of it and stopped where it says;
" 8. DETERMINING AIRCRAFT ELIGIBILITY. Eligible aircraft must meet all of the 
following requirements detailed below:
a. Experimental Certificate. Experimental certificate issued under ? 21.191(g), 
Operating amateur-built aircraft, or ? 21.191(i)(2), Operating light-sport 
aircraft.
b. Kit-Built Aircraft. Currently the FAA is limiting aircraft eligibility to 
those aircraft built from a kit. These aircraft have the highest population and 
consistency from aircraft to aircraft. Plans-built aircraft will not be 
considered at this time."

The FAA kit list is here; 
http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/kits/media/amateur_built_kit_listing.pdf
 

So our "plans-built" KR's don't qualify. Bummer. My first flight ended in an 
incident the inspector termed "hard contact with runway" Talking with Zipper, 
another pilot aboard might have prevented this incident. Maybe the FAA & EAA 
will extend the program to include plans-built aircraft in the future. I hope 
so.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Eric James 
Pitts via KRnet
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 10:26 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: KR> Additional pilot now allowed on homebuilt first flights

Additional pilot now allowed on homebuilt first flights October 2, 2014 by 
General Aviation News Staff 

KR> KR-2 in "Aftermath"

[John Bouyea]

If you are having problems find this via Google; 
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20130820X12942=WPR13FA380=1

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Scott 
via KRnet
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:19 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 in "Aftermath"

The plans built KR-2 is a notoriously aft CG airplane, which is why those of us 
flying KRs have been beating the drum about CG for the last 15 years or so 
since the inception of the KRNet.  The other thing is that no 2 KRs are built 
the same.  There are a host of wings, tail feathers, engines, control 
configurations and CGs that are used, so no two are going to fly exactly the 
same.  

So, I could spout on here about how I've spun my KR and the recovery is 
nominal, but that is absolutely meaningless drivel unless your plane is built 
with the same wing, same tail feathers and same CG as mine.  To the best of my 
knowledge, there aren't any other KRs in the same configuration as mine, so my 
test data is of little use to any other KR pilot.  In each case, we are test 
pilots.  That sounds cool to some people, but the fact is that test piloting 
brings an element of risk with it, and should not be taken lightly.

The NTSB did not speculate on why the aircraft would not recover from the spin. 
 In my opinion, the original plans built KR lacked sufficient horizontal and 
vertical stabilizers, rudder and elevator.  But would still recover if the CG 
was within reasonable range (which does not include all of the published CG 
range).  But if the CG is aft, recovery is unlikely.

Even though the NTSB cites the engine failure as partial cause, I doubt the 
engine not running impeded recovery as I never add power until the aircraft is 
already recovering.  Going to full power in a spin is a great way to convert a 
normal spin into a flat spin which makes life even more interesting.  The video 
recorder gives a host of information.  The one thing that really stands out to 
me is that the aircraft was stable at roughly 20? nose down and continued in 
that attitude until impact.  That just screams out AFT CG causing the spin to 
go flat.  In a flat spin, there is less air moving over the controls, so you 
have even less control than a normal spin.  The aircraft stayed stable at 20? 
nose down regardless of control input says not enough air moving over the 
controls to even affect the attitude and/or not enough controls to catch 
sufficient air to affect the attitude.  Add it all up.  Small tail.  Aft in the 
CG range.  Either can kill you.  It seems quite likely he was fighting both.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM



> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 at 10:43 PM
> From: "Mike T via KRnet" 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> KR-2 in "Aftermath"
>
> Flying Magazine's column "Aftermath" is a detailed monthly analysis of 
> an accident in the NTSB database. October's column is about a KR-2 
> that went into an unrecoverable spin in August, 2013. A great deal of 
> info is available, because he was running a video camera that recorded 
> the whole thing (and kept running long after his death).
> 
> The analysis is good, but someone here who spins his KR may want to 
> reply to it. I'm mentioning this because Flying Magazine has almost no 
> nothing in it useful to homebuilders, so people here may not have seen 
> this. (BTW, I'm not recommending that anyone else subscribe to Flying 
> Magazine. They offered me a subscription practically free, so I took 
> it, but I don't plan to renew).
> 
> Mike Taglieri

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KR> FW: Tri-gear Wheel Location

[John Bouyea]

http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/newlgear/index.htm

Here's how mine worked out...
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Sid Wood via
KRnet
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:43 PM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> Tri-gear Wheel Location

Thanks to Jon Kimmel and Larry Flesner for gear strut drilling advice.  May
be some time before I get the new struts.
As I said in the previous post: Trying not to tear the stub wing apart to do
the new installation.  I want to avoid patching fiberglass and painting.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA






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KR> KR Webinar tonight

[John Bouyea]

Mark, 
Super effort and such a good opportunity to spread the "KR Gospel." Thank
you for sharing your knowledge with us and everyone else.

John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

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Matheson via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 6:43 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> KR Webinar tonight

Mark.

Great talk, thank very much.

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Flesner
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 9:48 AM
To: Phillip Matheson
Subject: Re: KR> KR Webinar tonight 

At 06:39 PM 7/9/2014, you wrote:
>I am all hooked up, coffee in hand, waiting for the start.


Got an extra cup?  I'll join you. :-)

Larry Flesner 


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KR> Anyone going to Arlington FlyIn?

[John Bouyea]

http://www.arlingtonflyin.org 
It starts Thursday and runs through Saturday afternoon. We've gathered at
the fire ring in the past on Saturday mornings around 10 or so.



Is anyone planning on going? 



John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2

OR81/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> another 2.5 hours and ten more landings

[John Bouyea]

Maybe I should retitle this thread; "Real numbers for KR's"

The "factory spec sheet" http://fly-kr.com/kr2.htm says;
Take off distance   350 ft.
Landing distance900 ft.
Stall Speed 52 mph

Anyone ever see these numbers?

John Bouyea
KR2/ OR81-Olinger Airpark/ Hillsboro, OR

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
via KRnet
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 3:29 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> another 2.5 hours and ten more landings

John Bouyea wrote:

> I have 2000x80 turf and would like to know more about your pattern, 
> approach and touchdown numbers. Thank you.
> John

As Larry said, I don't normally fly out of Moontown, but M38 instead, which
is 2600'.  I can't verify landing speeds at the low end yet, as I have not
done a four-way GPS calibration that close to stall speed. Landing speed is
likely in the low- to mid- fifties though, considering the weight and wing 
area.   "Half the runway" might have been misleading, as I dropped it right 
on the end of the runway with a headwind.

 The patterns I do are pretty tight "military" patterns, with a 180 degree
semi-circle on both ends rather than the more standard squared-off  affair
that I was taught.  I just seems smarter to do a gradual turn than to do two
sharp turns at low speed like that...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> another 2.5 hours and ten more landings

[John Bouyea]

Hi Larry, Thanks for your correction to Mark's field. 

The KR is 603# with a Revmaster 2180. I have a prop from Tommy W that is
giving me about 3150 static on the ground. No deployable drag now and I've
thought about that for a while. I've never landed it here but the takeoff
used about 1000' and was fine (landed at a much longer field.) Still think
this is "do-able" for my field?

In my C177A Cardinal I use about 1000 for takeoff & 600-800 for landings.
Thanks again.
John 

-Original Message-
From: Flesner [mailto:flesner at frontier.com] 
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 3:33 PM
To: John Bouyea; KRnet
Subject: another 2.5 hours and ten more landings


>
>I looked up Moontown; http://www.airnav.com/airport/3M5 2160x160 turf 
>and you're using 1/2 of it? Nice!
>I have 2000x80 turf and would like to know more about your pattern, 
>approach and touchdown numbers. Thank you.
>John Bouyea
+++

I thing Mark flies out of M38 (Hazel Green) which is 2600 hard surface.  He
did once fly out of Moon Town but that was long ago.

If you are looking to fly out of 2000 foot turf you'll definitely want some
type of deployable drag, i.e., speed brake or effective flaps.  What do you
expect the empty weight of your KR to be and what engine are you using?
Nice looking residential air park where you live.  2000 feet, no
obstructions, near sea level, should be a piece of cake.

Larry Flesner 

KR> another 2.5 hours and ten more landings

[John Bouyea]

Mark, Thank you for your report. I'm sure Jim is going to be thrilled with
the improvements you've made to his airplane.

I looked up Moontown; http://www.airnav.com/airport/3M5 2160x160 turf and
you're using 1/2 of it? Nice! It seems you're landing right on the numbers
of what Rand advertised with their spec sheets "back in the day." That's one
of the things that got me interested in the KR in the first place.

I have 2000x80 turf and would like to know more about your pattern, approach
and touchdown numbers. Thank you.
John Bouyea
OR81/ KR2/ N5391M
Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:04 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> another 2.5 hours and ten more landings

I've been thwarted three days in a row in my attempts to fly N891JF, after a
two week hiatus due to a rare vacation.  But at least I did manage to get
the wheel pants back on it yesterday.  Today it was quite sorted out and
ready to run when I arrived at the airport, despite the 94F temp and reports
of "thunderstorms and lightning in the area" on the AWOS.  I figured the
storms would be done by sunset, so off I went.  I managed to get over 2.5
hours and another 10 full stop landings in, and I really got a handle on how
to control it with the tailwheel down (finally!).   I practiced on a nearby
runway that's twice as wide and twice as long as mine, but I only used the
left half and the first half of it.  That yielded a lot of confidence, and a
pretty decent landing back at my airport's short narrow strip.  I even
practiced some botched landings where I slipped it in the lose a lot of
altitude in a hurry, and even some "re-lands", and never used half the
runway at KFYM.  My landing back home barely used half the runway, so I feel
a lot better now.  

I also did some wide open runs, stalls, all that stuff, and it appears as
though I have a solid 170 mph airplane now, although I think there's at
least another 5 mph hiding in the cowling and some other details.  The
engine runs great at 3250 rpm wide open, so after some calm-air testing, I
will swap some props around to see what else I can get out of it.  The funny
thing about this installation is that the engine cools best at almost
wide-open-throttle!  After the engine is broken in, I'll do some plenums
like N56ML has for a real-world comparison, although I already know that
it'll run cooler that way.  I'm ready for OSH now!

Life is good again...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com


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KR> Most heavy engine

[John Bouyea via KRnet]

Henni,
I'm sure someone else will point out that engine is ok for a KR360 but not a
KR2. See about 1/3 down on  http://www.krnet.org/redoak2002 

John Bouyea
Hillsboro, OR

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Hennie van
Rooyen [HQP Alloystream] via KRnet
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 7:19 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Most heavy engine

Hi again,

I just want to clarify the reason for my question. I have advertised our
Vulcan Nomad 1500 tourer bike to swop for an ultralight.  To my amazement,
today someone offered to swop me for this engine, log books up to date,
complete & in a good running condition. This sounds like a very good deal to
me. I just need to know beforehand if this engine would be of any use to me
before I consider in earnest.

Keep well all,

Henni
This e-mail is confidential and is for the addressee only. 
Please refer to http://www.exxaro.com/content/main/disclaimer.asp
for important disclaimers.

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KR> KR Newsletters

[John Bouyea via KRnet]

Mark and all,
Shazaam, there IS a problem with opening the big newsletter pdf file 1 - 87
as mentioned. I downloaded it directly and it seems to open correctly.

I'll look into what's wrong & post back to the group. I <> appreciate
knowing you had a problem with it!
John Bouyea
N5391M - It's ready!


-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark Langford
via KRnet
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 3:56 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> KR Newsletters

KRnetHeads, 
 For those who haven't seen them, Mark Lougheed's 1-87 have been  at
http://www.bouyea.net/digests/kr01-87.pdf  for many years now, although I am
unable to open it at the moment.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> Firewall material

[John Bouyea]

Thanks for digging up the reference Ken! I'll see what I can do. 

Right off the bat, the existing plans method for constructing our aircraft
with .005 stainless doesn't meet Part 23 requirements in any regard...

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth B.
Jones
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:14 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Firewall material

On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:18 PM, John Bouyea wrote:
>  Anyone make a reference as to what heat level/ temprature and duration is
"approved" as a test?
> 

2000 degrees F for 15 minutes, per part 23.
?23.1191   Firewalls.
(a) Each engine, auxiliary power unit, fuel burning heater, and other
combustion equipment, must be isolated from the rest of the airplane by
firewalls, shrouds, or equivalent means.
(b) Each firewall or shroud must be constructed so that no hazardous
quantity of liquid, gas, or flame can pass from the compartment created by
the firewall or shroud to other parts of the airplane.
(c) Each opening in the firewall or shroud must be sealed with close
fitting, fireproof grommets, bushings, or firewall fittings.
(d) [Reserved]
(e) Each firewall and shroud must be fireproof and protected against
corrosion.
(f) Compliance with the criteria for fireproof materials or components must
be shown as follows:
(1) The flame to which the materials or components are subjected must be
2,000 ?150 ?F.
(2) Sheet materials approximately 10 inches square must be subjected to the
flame from a suitable burner.
(3) The flame must be large enough to maintain the required test temperature
over an area approximately five inches square.
(g) Firewall materials and fittings must resist flame penetration for at
least 15 minutes.
(h) The following materials may be used in firewalls or shrouds without
being tested as required by this section:
(1) Stainless steel sheet, 0.015 inch thick.
(2) Mild steel sheet (coated with aluminum or otherwise protected against
corrosion) 0.018 inch thick.
(3) Terne plate, 0.018 inch thick.
(4) Monel metal, 0.018 inch thick.
(5) Steel or copper base alloy firewall fittings.
(6) Titanium sheet, 0.016 inch thick.

KR> The need for Dr. Dean hinges

[John Bouyea]

See Mark's description... http://www.n56ml.com/koilite.html
John Bouyea

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of
Robert7721 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 6:10 AM
To: krnet at list.krnet.org
Subject: Re: KR> The need for Dr. Dean hinges

I have had no issues with the original U channel hinges. Over 500 hours now
on my KR2S. I inspect regularly and don't see why anything more is needed. 
 People have talked about sloppy fitting, but that is probably due to the
builder, not the design.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z
_www.robert7721.com_ (http://www.robert7721.com) 



In a message dated 12/14/2013 5:24:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
PPaulVsk at aol.com writes:


I'm  probably going with  Dr. Dean hinges on my tail because that's what
everyone is doing now.  But, has anyone heard of the one of the  original U
channel hinges  failing or wearing out and had to be  changed?  The price
for one hinge set  up is about $11.00 at  Wicks. Times nine hinges or so.
You could buy a  lot of U  channel for that price.

Paul  Visk 
Belleville   Il.
618-406-4705
http://www.mykitlog.com/PaulVisk/   
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KR> Swing-over to front hinged Canopy Conversion

[John Bouyea]

Larry,
Thanks for looking it over! Are you looking at the very early photos, before
I installed the Fibrefrax and metal? I know there are some of those pictures
posted on my site...

John Bouyea/ N5391M/ KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Bell
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:05 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Swing-over to front hinged Canopy Conversion

John, I took a look at your engine pictures which look good. I noticed you
have a major firewall problem. You have to have stainless in front of the
wood. An engine fire would get you faster than you would think and even the
heat from the engine could be enough to light it off. The plans call for
.040 asbestos and .005 stainless. You are spending a lot of money and have a
nice looking airplane, be safe.
Larry Bell


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:18 PM, John Bouyea  wrote:

> Mark Langford designed a conversion for Jim's plane he is fixing up. 
> My side-mount hinges were shot so I thought I'd follow along. Indeed, 
> it was easier than I originally thought. I documented what I saw 
> through the process as a supplement to what Mark taught us all on the
first go-round.
> Anyhow, here's my take on the work. Thank you is due to Mark for 
> solving my problem!
>
> John Bouyea
>
> N5391M/ KR2/ Hillsboro, OR
>
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KR> Swing-over to front hinged Canopy Conversion

[John Bouyea]

I guess it would help if I included the link. Sorry folks, it's the link on
the top of the page...
http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m/default.htm
JB

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of John Bouyea
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 5:18 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Swing-over to front hinged Canopy Conversion

Mark Langford designed a conversion for Jim's plane he is fixing up. My
side-mount hinges were shot so I thought I'd follow along. Indeed, it was
easier than I originally thought. I documented what I saw through the
process as a supplement to what Mark taught us all on the first go-round.
Anyhow, here's my take on the work. Thank you is due to Mark for solving my
problem!

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

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KR> Swing-over to front hinged Canopy Conversion

[John Bouyea]

Mark Langford designed a conversion for Jim's plane he is fixing up. My
side-mount hinges were shot so I thought I'd follow along. Indeed, it was
easier than I originally thought. I documented what I saw through the
process as a supplement to what Mark taught us all on the first go-round.
Anyhow, here's my take on the work. Thank you is due to Mark for solving my
problem!

John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> front-hinging a side-hinged canopy how-to

[John Bouyea]

Hey Rob,
I'm headed there pretty soon so I can let you know. I doubt I'll have as
good of photos as Langford but I'll try...
John Bouyea
N5391M KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message-
From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Schmitt
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 7:54 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> front-hinging a side-hinged canopy how-to

Pretty impressive Mark! Probably a little tougher to do for the rest of us
than you let on.

Rob Schmitt 

On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:51 PM, "Mark Langford"  wrote:

> KRNetHeads,
> 
> See http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/canopyhinge/ for details on converting a
side-hinged canopy to front-hinged.  It's fairly straight-forward and
involves no rocket-science...
> 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
> 
> 
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KR> No Serious Damage

[John Bouyea]

Dan,
Your initial report was good but this is better to hear! Congrats on taking
the work to fully inspect. You'll be in the air in no time; fully reassured
and improved to boot. Congrats!
John Bouyea

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From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Heath
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 4:26 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Cc: 'CorvAircraft'
Subject: KR> No Serious Damage

After a thorough inspection I have concluded that the worst damage that was
caused to the Black Bird is me cutting open the wing to inspect the spar and
gear leg on the passenger side.  I am certain that there is no damage to the
spar, but would have to remove the gear leg to be absolutely sure that it is
not cracked.  My conclusion is that if it were cracked, it could not hold up
a 750# aircraft.  The hole in the wing will be repaired this week and I will
be back in the air as soon as the Skyview is installed.



The Dynon Skyview and modules are in the works but I don't have a ship or
delivery date yet.  I am planning the panel and will soon remove the one in
the Black Bird so I can be ready to install the new stuff when it arrives.
As soon as I finish this latest upgrade to the Black Bird, all the units
that have been removed and not sold by then, will go on Barnstormers and
EBay.



See N64KR at  <http://krbuilder.org/> http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

See you Oct. 4 and 5, 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 

Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC







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KR> RE: > torque tube control of ailerons

[John Bouyea]

Craig, I don't like the look of the screws on that bell crank assembly and
suggest you confirm you want to bet your life on that hardware.

<< http://www.kr2seafury.com/4.html Once I start building them I will have a
better idea of location and size of the components. >>

KR> Roy Marsh

[John Bouyea]

I visited Roy while he was building. He told me a lot about the project. It
was shoehorned into his garage next to his wife's Alfa Romeo. His son was
(is) an aeronautical designer. They changed the airfoil to something close
to what was on the P51 he drove in the military. Roy told me they expected
the stall speed to increase quite a bit. He wasn't too concerned about it; a
sure sign of his confidence in his piloting skills. I recall his workmanship
approaching an art form.

I took several rolls of film that day; I have the paper photos around here
somewhere. If I recover those, it would be fun to scan and post them for the
group to see.

Best wishes,
John Bouyea/ Hillsboro, OR
N5391M KR2 in test program
KR2S progress suspended (for now)

--
From: laser...@juno.com
Subject: KR> Roy Marsh

I flew up to Santa Maria last fall to do a prop balance job and was told
by Paul Lipps that Roy still comes out to the occasional EAA meeting and
other aviation get-togethers in that area.  His plane had a new Revmaster
turbo when it was sold three or four years ago.  Somebody in Oregon
restored it and had it for sale . . . I remember talking to the person on
the phone.  Time flies . . . it may have been longer ago than that.   The
plane still looked like new in the sale pictures.  

Mike
KSEE

KR> RE: nvaero?

[John Bouyea]

RE: nvaero? (Jose Fuentes)

Hi Jose.
It is up for me at; http://www.nvaero.com/

John Bouyea
N5391M KR2
Hillsboro, OR

KR> Sun 'N Fun Hammered by Storms

[John Bouyea]

I?m sending a wish, hope & prayer that everyone at S is ok.  Many aircraft
are damaged by the storms passing through the area today.



If you hear from anyone, the list subscribers would appreciate an update
from Florida.



Be safe everyone!



John Bouyea

KR> Radio Check (ignore)

[John Bouyea]

Test, test, 1 - 2 - 3, 3 - 2 - 1

John Bouyea 

KR>Flying KR-2 cheap!

[John Bouyea]

Jim is trying to sell one of his 2 KRs.  He forgot to mention photos are
available here; http://www.bouyea.net/classifieds/index.htm

John Bouyea
HIO/ KR2 "getting close!"



From: "Jim Sellars" jsell...@keybase.com
Subject: RE: KR>Flying KR-2 cheap!

Friends;
I need to sell one of two KR-2s in my hanger. They are both flying airplanes
and I will accept any reasonable offer.
1. KR-2 Subaru powered, this is a purpose built engine with 10.5 hours on a
tail dragger with radio VFR instruments, and GPS. Cheap, like $10,500. or
any reasonable offer. We will ship!
2. KR-2 Saturn powered with Radio VFR instruments, GPS and Mode "C", cheap,
Make and offer and get a flying version of the popular little bird. 

KR> Jim Sellars KR2 Airplanes for Sale

[John Bouyea]

Jim listed these 2 KR2 airplanes for sale before and didn't have a way to
post photos.  I built a classified ad
<http://www.bouyea.net/classifieds/index.htm>  for Jim on my KR2 web site
<http://www.bouyea.net/index.htm> 



Take a look, the airplanes are in Moncton, New Brunswick, a bit East of
Maine.







John Bouyea

N5391M/ KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

http://www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/n5391m

KR> Joe Beyer's Gathering Photos

[John Bouyea]

Hi Sal.

I posted Joe Beyer's photos here; http://www.bouyea.net
<http://www.bouyea.net/>  Click the 2009 Gathering Photos link on the left
side.



Cheers.

John Bouyea

KR2/ KR2S 

Hillsboro, Oregon



Sal Leone writes

Are there any more photos of the 2009 KR MVN Gathering other than Glenda
Mcelwee's. Thank You

Subject: KR> Heat in the cabin

[John Bouyea]

Hey Dan,
What did you change in the cockpit or under the cowl that brought about so
much heat?  I doubt "Ol' Blue" got all those hours with such a problem.  Hot
pedals are going to be the least of your worries if the master cylinders
overheat.  Please run down and fix the cause before further flight!

John Bouyea
Hillsboro, OR
KR2 rebuild moving up on the priority list...


RE: Subject: KR> Heat in the cabin
... and the pedals got so hot that I couldn't put my feet on
them for more than a second or two ...

KR> EBay Fraudulent KR2S Plans DVD (again...)

[John Bouyea]

If you want to speak up, another bozo is ripping off Jeannette.  I posted a
"theft of intellectual property" notice with EBay.  You may want to do the
same.



Item number: 150328872126



Keep building.



John Bouyea

KR2 - Hillsboro, OR

KR> ELT in restored kr-2

[John Bouyea]

John,

Your situation sounds similar to mine.  

The HIO FSDO showed me the Temporary Airworthiness Certificate expired 12
months after initial issue.  You might check the original Operating
Limitations letter.

The FSDO also told me the extent of the Major Modifications would require at
the very least a re-inspection, essentially a new airworthiness.  I hoped to
complete the prior owner's 22 hours permitting to gain full privileges after
18 hours of additional flight-testing.  No dice.

As to the ELT, if you do not own one, you can go with either type now or at
the end of the test period.  The 121.5 is less expensive but the 406 is
supposed to give a more localized search area.  Is that what you want? 

John Bouyea 

N5391M/ KR2 in rebuild mode

Hillsboro, Oregon

(not that far from you!)





Re: KR> ELT in restored kr-2



Hi,

My kr-2 got it's airworthiness cert, and operating limitations back in the
1980's.



Now with a new motor, canopy, foredeck and cowl, I am sure they will want me
to fly off 40 hours in addition to the 22 already logged.



What about the ELT?  It has none now. No mention of one in the logs. What do
I have to do?  Old style, new style, exempt via operating limitations, then
get one later? what?



thanks

jg

N611GB





John Bouyea

john_0...@bouyea.net

(503) 640-5186 home

(503) 341-9628 cell

KR> Report: New EBay posting for counterfeit plans

[John Bouyea]

Item number: 320314745829

I noticed the Intellectual Property thief resurfaced.  I reported this as a
repost from a previously banned item/ seller.  Builders with protective
tendencies for Jeannette's interests may want to report it also.

Cheers.
John Bouyea
KR2/ Hillsboro, OR

KR> VFR operations ionto IMC

[John Bouyea]

Note: this is not KR specific

I recognize the writer is offering guidance on what worked for him.  My
next-door neighbor (2000TT, IFR rated flying a C185 with a full panel of
gyros and radios) died when he let down through an overcast and ran into a
mountain.  Unanticipated funerals suck.  His wife misses him.  So do I.  

NTSB report http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20040524X00649
<http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20040524X00649=1> =1 

Crash image respectfully submitted in his memory
http://www.bouyea.net/images/040519plane_wreckage_422.jpg 



My thoughts about this topic;
1. Do some research and determine for yourself how many VFR rated pilots die
after entering the clouds.  The numbers are sobering.
2. You have the opportunity (right now) to get some instruction BEFORE you
operate above a solid cloud deck.  Ask the instructor to put you under the
hood and try what you are reading about attempting a letdown without visual
reference to the ground.  This will give you an idea of the level of
difficulty you are considering.

3. I too have received assistance from ATC finding a place to escape from a
solidifying layer under me.  They will help you as much as possible; nobody
wants you to become an unsuccessful statistic.  Be prepared to receive a
letter from the FAA after the event.  Talk to an aviation law specialist
before responding.  Don't ask me how I know.

4. The only other pilots that are operating in the clouds have training and
a rating to be there.  They and ATC do not expect you to be there.  IF you
go there, talk to ATC first so they can help you and be sure you don't run
into someone else.



Fly safe folks.

John Bouyea

KR2 Hillsboro, Oregon

KR> VFR operations ionto IMC

[John Bouyea]

Dana,

Sorry, I didn't intend to flame your comments.  I understand you are
offering a technique that works for you.  I know you ARE instrument trained,
rated, and experienced.  Some (maybe even most) of the people reading this
mail list do not have your level of training and experience.  My concern is
that VFR pilots might go away from our discussions with the idea they have a
trick in their bag to let them escape from poor planning.  (I do flight
planning as an occupation and have spoken to literally one hundred pilots
who don't do any pre-flight planning.)  



Randy Powell's comments (referenced below) about getting training echo my
exact recommendation.  That is my whole point and the only point.  



Your point about running out of gas is the ultimate truth; no matter the
endurance, we all have to come down eventually.



My best regards,

John Bouyea 





[Quoted]

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:08:29 -0500

From: "Dana Overall" <bo12...@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: KR> VFR operations ionto IMC

To: kr...@mylist.net



>From: "John Bouyea" <john...@speakeasy.net>

>My thoughts about this topic;

>2. You have the opportunity (right now) to get some instruction BEFORE you

>operate above a solid cloud deck.  Ask the instructor to put you under the

>hood and try what you are reading about attempting a letdown without visual

>reference to the ground.  This will give you an idea of the level of

>difficulty you are considering.



OK, forget it, didn't mean to mention it.  Doesn't work for me, won't work 

for you, too difficult so don't try it.  Just stay up there until you run 

out of gas then make a descent on the airplanes terms, not yours.  When will


I learn to keep my mouth shut.



Dana Overall

1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host

Richmond, KY i39

RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"

O 360 A1A, C/S C2YK-1BF/F7666A4

http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackwing1.jpg

http://rvflying.tripod.com <http://rvflying.tripod.com/> 

do not archive



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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:54:12 -0500

From: "Randy Powell" <randywpow...@verizon.net>

Subject: Re: KR> VFR operations

To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>



All pilots should for their own safety, acquire a few hours of instrument 

training,  at least enough to feel confident in controlling the aircraft in 

basic maneuvers in clouds.  I do not have, nor plan to go after an 

instrument ticket, but the small amount of money I paid for this peace of 

mind has already saved my hide once when I did something dumb.   Sooner or 

later you will get your money's worth.My flight instructor would not 

sign me off to go for my check ride until I took his advice and took the 

training,  even though I insisted I would never use it.   He was right and I


WAS WRONG.   I was lucky I had a stubborn instructor.  I owe him !.



Randy Powell

Wachapreague Va.

randywpow...@verizon.net

KR> Aileron trailing edge question

[John Bouyea]

I have a question about the thickness of the tailing edge section.  This
photo of Richard Shirley's trailing edge shows a blunt profile.
http://www.bouyea.net/gathering2004/P1002293.jpg  



The Cirrus people told me this is done to improve the feel at higher rates
of speed.  (Interestingly, both Cirrus and Richard have aluminum ailerons.)
Most of the KRs I have seen have very thin (i.e. sharp) trailing edge
sections.



Does anyone know definitively about what this type of change might do to the
standard RAF airfoil?



John Bouyea

KR2/ Hillsboro, Oregon

http://www.bouyea.net <http://www.bouyea.net/> 

KR> KR2 Conventional to Tricycle gear conversion

[John Bouyea]

List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:16:10 -0600

From: "Brian G. Douglas" <bgd...@vvm.com>

Hi robert!

  I converted mine to tri gear and that was the best thing that I could have


done.  I used the diel main and nose gear system.  If I had to do it over I 

would have used the diel nose gear and the grove mains but...



Brian G. Douglas

N8575C  KR2 with a training wheel ;-)

Killeen Texas



Hi Robert.

I would echo Brian's opinion.  The Grove gear would make a simpler
installation.  The Deihl mains move the wheels further apart (more stable)
but require cutting into the stub wings, rerouting aileron cables, and
fiberglass work not required if installing Grove gear.



John Bouyea/ KR2

Hillsboro, Oregon

www.bouyea.net <http://www.bouyea.net/> 

KR> KR1 Quoted in EAA Newsletter

[John Bouyea]

Directly "reprinted" from the latest weekly EAA Email newsletter;

HALLMARKS OF HOMEBUILDING -

KEN RAND'S COMPOSITE AIRPLANE, THE KR-1

Among the most talked about airplanes at the 1972 Oshkosh EAA Convention and
Fly-In was the Rand Robinson KR-1 created by Ken Rand of EAA Chapter 92 in
Huntington Beach, California. Not so much the airplane, which was so small
that some EAAers figured it had to be either a large RC model or some
over-indulgent father's taxiing toy for his child. What made the airplane
special-and what now accords it "Hallmark" status-is how it was put together
and what it was made out of.
http://www.airventure.org/2006/events/hallmarks_rand5.html



John Bouyea

KR2/ Hillsboro, Oregon

KR> GPS Software

[John Bouyea]

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I do not make pitches for our company's software (unless I'm working the
phones or at the trade show booth.)  However, it is Friday (!) and this
topic has appeared a least twice over the last few months.  Disclaimer: I
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I am glad to see this topic as many of us are building or flying
cross-country airplanes.  Long trips make the requirement for easy access to
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* KRNet is not the place for software sales and/ or support!

* I am glad to handle product-specific questions, but PLEASE address them
to: sa...@flightprep.com  



John Bouyea
KR2 & KR2S in Hillsboro, Oregon