KR> Mechanical Belly Board

[Steve G.]

The light aluminum one is in the original plans. I think we have parts to make 
more. 

We also have a newer style handle assembly. More robust. I guess I should try 
and get more photos on the website. I've attempted to attach a photo here but 
it may be too big and I'm sending off my phone. 

Steve Glover
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KR> Full Diehl gear schematic

[Steve G.]

Blah blah, blah blah blah. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash. 

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 13:58, Robert Benson via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve you are lying.  I ordered the gear through you over the phone  you told 
> me you had everything but the strut which had to be heat treated and would 
> done in 45 days.  I E-MAILED YOU;  I  PHONED YOU   numerous times.  you did 
> not reply to any of my phone calls;  e-mais; nor did you  tell me I needed to 
> order it on line.  A simple phone call would have resolved this issue.  If 
> you want to see an idiot LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
> 
> 
> 
> rebenson44 at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> ____
> From: KRnet  on behalf of Steve G. via KRnet 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2016 1:12 PM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Steve G.
> Subject: Re: KR> Full Diehl gear schematic
> 
> Bob you're an idiot!  There are zero orders in my system for gear. I told you 
> then if you wanted to place an order to go online and place it so we have a 
> record of it. I have 1 open order for Chris Pryce and an exchange on main 
> gear for Matt.  Since you do not leave messages and I do not have an email 
> from you, and you feel the need to come on here and complain about things 
> that are not quite true don't bother placing an order now because you will 
> get nothing from me.
> 
> Steve Glover
> 
> Sent from my electronic leash.
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:28, Robert Benson via KRnet  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried to get in touch with Steve.  I ordered the Diehl nose gear 
>> assembly from NVaero about 3 months  in inago.  I was suppose to be ready at 
>> that time.  He doesn't answer his phone or his e-mail.  like his buddy W. 
>> Wynn..  i would also like a copy of the nose gear;  i have given up on Steve.
>> 
>> Thank you in advance, if thereis a fee for schematic let me know.
>> 
>> Bob Benson
>> 
>> Phone#209 354 4823
>> 
>> 
>> rebenson44 at hotmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: KRnet  on behalf of Global 
>> Solutions via KRnet 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:14 AM
>> To: KRnet
>> Cc: Global Solutions
>> Subject: Re: KR> Full Diehl gear schematic
>> 
>> Can I also request a copy.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Stan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2016-11-01 10:37 AM, n357cj via KRnet wrote:
>>> Cody,
>>> I have to scan it , I can do that in the next day or so and email a zip 
>>> file to you of the full Diehl instalation instructions.
>>> Joe Horton,
>>> N357CJ
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "KRnet" 
>>> Subject: KR> Full Diehl gear schematic
>>> 
>>> Can anyone help me in my search of finding a blueprint showing the 
>>> installation details of the Diehl gear on my kr2? I have tried Steve at 
>>> nvaero multiple times but still no response by phone or by email. aNY help 
>>> would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>>> Cody CramerMiddleburg, FL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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KR> Full Diehl gear schematic

[Steve G.]

Bob you're an idiot!  There are zero orders in my system for gear. I told you 
then if you wanted to place an order to go online and place it so we have a 
record of it. I have 1 open order for Chris Pryce and an exchange on main gear 
for Matt.  Since you do not leave messages and I do not have an email from you, 
and you feel the need to come on here and complain about things that are not 
quite true don't bother placing an order now because you will get nothing from 
me.

Steve Glover

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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:28, Robert Benson via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I have tried to get in touch with Steve.  I ordered the Diehl nose gear 
> assembly from NVaero about 3 months  in inago.  I was suppose to be ready at 
> that time.  He doesn't answer his phone or his e-mail.  like his buddy W. 
> Wynn..  i would also like a copy of the nose gear;  i have given up on Steve.
> 
> Thank you in advance, if thereis a fee for schematic let me know.
> 
> Bob Benson
> 
> Phone#209 354 4823
> 
> 
> rebenson44 at hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> From: KRnet  on behalf of Global 
> Solutions via KRnet 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: KRnet
> Cc: Global Solutions
> Subject: Re: KR> Full Diehl gear schematic
> 
> Can I also request a copy.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Stan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2016-11-01 10:37 AM, n357cj via KRnet wrote:
>> Cody,
>> I have to scan it , I can do that in the next day or so and email a zip file 
>> to you of the full Diehl instalation instructions.
>> Joe Horton,
>> N357CJ
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "KRnet" 
>> Subject: KR> Full Diehl gear schematic
>> 
>> Can anyone help me in my search of finding a blueprint showing the 
>> installation details of the Diehl gear on my kr2? I have tried Steve at 
>> nvaero multiple times but still no response by phone or by email. aNY help 
>> would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>> Cody CramerMiddleburg, FL
>> 
>> 
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KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Steve G.]

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:51, Nerobro via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.
> 
> -Nero
> 
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet
>  wrote:
>> As Paul requested from the beginning, please respond to his request
>> OFF-NET!  That means, "DON'T SEND YOUR REPLY TO 800 PEOPLE!  He also
>> said "put the letter in the subject area".  That would make it easy on
>> him to sort and count them.  But n, why make it easy on the
>> guy
>> 
>> And I KNOW this is asking way too much of people that are apparently
>> smart enough to be building airplanes, but the list rules also ask that
>> you delete the vast majority of the previous post before replying, which
>> would mean (in this case) ALL of it, because the SUBJECT tells the whole
>> story.  But that would assume you'd actually READ the post before you
>> replied to 800 people!
>> 
>> I can't believe how incredibly dense some folks are.  It's a very simple
>> concept, and so rarely complied with
>> 
>> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
>> ML "at" N56ML.com
>> www.N56ML.com
>> 
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KR> Fwd: Re: RST Engineering

[Steve G.]

You're welcome. 

Steve Glover

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> On Aug 11, 2016, at 02:45, Justin Pate via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow, I was in the fence between the KR and the sonex. Thanks for making it
> an easy choice for me.
> 
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016, Doran Jaffas via KRnet  list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "Steve G." >
>> Date: Aug 10, 2016 4:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
>> To: "Doran Jaffas" >
>> Cc:
>> 
>> How about kiss my ass. That's swearing enough for you? I'm pretty sick of
>> all you want to bees thinking that you actually know something and want
>> everything for free.
>> 
>> Steve Glover
>> 
>> Sent from my electronic leash.
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2016, at 13:32, Doran Jaffas via KRnet > <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Cut the swearing and insults.
>>>> On Aug 10, 2016 3:03 PM, "Steve G. via KRnet" > <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Glover
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my electronic leash.
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet > <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> It must be a southern California thing. : )
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
>>>>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Original message 
>>>>> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet >
>>>>> Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00)
>>>>> To: KRnet >
>>>>> Cc: Doran Jaffas >
>>>>> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering
>>>>> 
>>>>> No issue and what you say makes sense.
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" > <javascript:;>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
>>>>>> Engineering
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind
>> you
>>>>>> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
>>>>>> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel
>>>> from
>>>>>> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
>>>>>> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up
>>>> the
>>>>>> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation
>> on
>>>>>> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight
>> after
>>>> the
>>>>>> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that
>> he
>>>>>> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was
>>>> shipped
>>>>>> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for
>>>> "Kitplanes"
>>>>>> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the
>>>> oshkosh
>>>>>> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
>>>>>> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of
>> his
>>>>>> busiest time of year.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing
>> business
>>>>>> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long
>>>> time
>>>>>> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will
>>>> probably
>>>>>> go a long ways.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Jeff Scott
>>>>>> Los Alamos, NM
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
>>>>>>> paid 3 weeks ago
>>>>>>> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
>>>>>>> never answered my emails
>>>>>>> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
>>>&g

KR> RST Engineering

[Steve G.]

He's in NorCal dumb ass. Thanks for the dig. 

Steve Glover

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> On Aug 10, 2016, at 11:35, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> It must be a southern California thing. : )
> 
> 
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Doran Jaffas via KRnet  
> Date: 08/10/2016  1:14 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: KRnet  
> Cc: Doran Jaffas  
> Subject: Re: KR> RST Engineering 
> 
> No issue and what you say makes sense.
> On Aug 10, 2016 2:13 PM, "Jeff Scott via KRnet" 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry, this post should have had the subject label changed to RST
>> Engineering
>> 
>> While I know you want to receive this stuff right away, keep in mind you
>> are dealing with a small business that is a one man show, and that you
>> ordered just as they were ramping up for Oshkosh, then had to travel from
>> California to Oshkosh (likely in a camper), then was at Oshkosh for at
>> least a week, then is traveling back home again and trying to pick up the
>> pieces. Maybe... Just maybe, he is throwing in a few days of vacation on
>> the way home from Oshkosh to try to get his head back on straight after the
>> rush of orders taken at Oshkosh. It's not a huge surprise to me that he
>> hasn't replied to an email, nor is it a surprise that nothing was shipped
>> in the last 3 weeks. Jim Weir also writes a monthly column for "Kitplanes"
>> and probably needs to get another column out the door to meet the oshkosh
>> show report deadline, so I don't think he has flown the coop. But I do
>> think he is a really busy man and you have caught him at the peak of his
>> busiest time of year.
>> 
>> I would guess he should be back home again this week and doing business
>> again. This is a one man show business that has been around for a long time
>> and is well known in the pilot community. A little patience will probably
>> go a long ways.
>> 
>> -Jeff Scott
>> Los Alamos, NM
>> 
>> 
>>> HI I am having trouble with buying a kit from rst engineering
>>> paid 3 weeks ago
>>> sent 2 emails about when it is to arrive
>>> never answered my emails
>>> paid with paypal so did a paypal item purchased not received
>>> still did not get any email from them
>>> they are in californa as I am
>>> paypal said they sent an email asking about this but i have not received
>>> the item nor have i every received any email
>>> makes me kinda wonder why not at least an email
>>> tom laudato
>> 
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KR> ferrite toroids

[Steve G.]

Knuckles from aeroelectric.com as well as Bob Archer have very good write ups/ 
instructions on how to build a good NAV antenna. Archer breaks down very 
specific way on how to create or build a Balun without using the ferrite 
toroids 

Steve Glover

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 17:59, Paul-Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I've got one of those as well.  Put the response public.   I'm sure other 
> people care too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ray_pilot
> 
> New Orleans 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ok, here is one of the responses I got off net.
> 
> Name has been removed to protect his smartness.
> 
> Paul,
> Receiving ONLY antennas do not need a RF choke, which is what  those 
> things really do when installed.   They are used on  transmitting coax to 
> keep reflected RF energy (standing waves) from feeding  back down the 
> coax into the transmitter and usually ruining the output  
> transistor(s).   Sort of like an electronic check  valve.
> 
> RST engineering is still in business, and they sell kits of stuff  to 
> make antennas - which included's  20 ferrite toroids.  Check it  out at
> 
> http://www.rst-engr.com/
> 
> I don't know what the diameter of  RG-400 is, so if you can tell me I 
> would appreciate it.
> 
> Have a good  4th weekend
> xxx
> 
> 
> Thanks for the response.
> The RG-400 diameter is .200"  
> What you said is my understanding. But on RST front page they have a  
> picture of a VHF Nav antana. It looks like it has toroids. This is were I'm  
> confused
> 
> Paul -
> 
> Right you are - I just looked and sure enough, there seem to  be toroids 
> in that picture.   Now I'm not sure whether he used the  wrong picture or 
> the wrong description, or whether he really does use  toroids on 
> receiving antennas.  I can see no reason to have them . .  .  but read on.
> 
> That pictured antenna is a dipole, and I have used  dipoles with no balun 
> in ham radio - and believe me, they receive fine for  VOI
> 
> CE reception.   Whether or not a NAV signal is that much  different I do 
> not know, or whether there is something about it that   would make a 
> difference.   I don't think so, but could sure be  wrong.   One thing  I 
> have noticed about NAV antennas (OMNI?)  on planes is that they are vee 
> shaped, usually pointing the open end of the  vee toward the front of the 
> plane, but sometimes toward the  rear.   Maybe that makes a difference as 
> well so there are not  blank spots in receiving  NAV  signals.
> 
> I guess I should not  really have commented without absolutely being 
> positive about the toroids on  NAV antennas, but for what it's worth, it 
> is true that for other uses  RECEIVING antennas do not need a balun or RF 
> choke to function  well.
> 
> Could you experiment on the ground with a temporary setup to prove  the 
> proper reception, or would it have to be done in the air to be able to  
> receive a signal where you are ?   I don't have a nav receiver and  
> indicator here to test with, or I would.  As I learned many, many years  
> ago with ham radio, experimenting in that field is as much fun and pain  
> as doing it with airplanes. :-)
> 
> If you find out what the answer to  the toroid question is, please let me 
> know sometime.  I can always  learn something new.
> 
> Thanks for the coax diameter info.  That helps  me.
> 
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KR> Ethanol

[Steve G.]

Build your own design and call it something else. 

Steve Glover

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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 20:06, andrew via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Here goes the spoon feed ?Don?t use it?.
> 
> As I?m working on blue prints for the KRSuper1, and getting my outside 
> research done. I am settled on one huge taboo of the aviation community. This 
> bad boy is going to be tuned and built to run primarily on ethanol.
> 
> ?But Cessna and the big aviation companies says it?s horrible.? Hold on and 
> let me get some hand on acknowledge your way.
> 
> Dr. Maxwell Schauck has been flying on ethanol since the 1980?s, and flew 
> across the Atlantic in his Velocity back in 1989. While I was attending his 
> program at Baylor University I got to participate in his research for 4 
> years. In that four years I came to find out a few things.
> 
> 1. Ethanol is a superior fuel to 100LL.
> 2. Oil companies will do everything to keep it out of mainstream use
> 3. Ethanol has a natural octane of 113
> 4. Ethanol burns cooler, and will run smooth at 50 degrees past peak EGT
> 5. If you add water, you get a horsepower boost, AND you don?t have to worry 
> about it damaging your engine
> 6. Ethanol reduces engine vibrations by 50%.
> 7. Ethanol doesn?t react with oil in the same manor as 100ll or mogas
> 8. Ethanol will eat aluminum and natural rubber. Easily combated by anodizing 
> and using Teflon
> 9. If an engine is tuned to ethanol vs. 100LL, you get a significant 
> horsepower boost with minimal GPH increase.
> 
> This is all based on my personal experience working on our departments Pitts 
> S2B, Cessna 152, Cessna 172, Velocity, Piper Aztec, and Max Performance 
> Research aircraft prototype. We averaged a horsepower increase of roughly 
> 30-35% increase with ethanol vs. avgas, with no changes to the mechanical 
> tuning on the engine. To the point we had to order custom props for all our 
> aircraft, due to engine overspeed with the standard propellers. (The Pitts 
> S2B ran 300HP on 100LL and 350HP on ethanol).
> 
> We also did water in fuel testing for the FAA while getting our Cessna?s STCs 
> updated (yes, Dr. Schauck owns the STCs for 152s and 172s to be flown on 100% 
> ethanol in utility category). We were able to add 10% water to the fuel tanks 
> before reaching peak EGTs. Had we tuned the engine this percentage would have 
> gone up.
> 
> So why am I sharing; I plan on building the first KR that is designed to fly 
> on ethanol. And foreseeing the usual arguments I figured I would head off 
> most prior to having to repeat. 
> 
> So a Corvair with 100HP should obtain 130HP simply by tuning to run on the 
> 113 Octane ethanol. But we shall see when we get to that part of my build.
> 
> What are your thoughts on the matter?
> 
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KR> mia kr's

[Steve G.]

It is in my hangar undergoing a little TLC and then will be flying again 
shortly.

Steve Glover

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> On May 12, 2016, at 17:27, Chris Prata via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> speaking of which, I asked a while back about richard shirley's fast KR1, 
> anyone know his planes current status?
> 
>> Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 18:46:58 -0500
> I've often wondered what happened to several KRs I've 
>> seen in the past like Robert Muse's KR , the turbine KR seen at the 
>> Perry, Oklahoma KR Gathering in the late 90's, and the retractable 
>> gear KR owned by the Gathering host at Perry.
> 
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KR> Canopy Choices

[Steve G.]

FYI - we have the dragonfly canopy available on our website.  About $135 less 
than direct through ACW. 

Steve Glover

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KR> Odd wing tips...

[Steve G.]

Hi Mike,

I did and responded back to the net. See below. I didn't see it show up so 
maybe it didn't go through.

"Yes. We have 12 different KR cowls. Everything from Dan Diehl and all the rand 
molds for the 2 and 2S. We have splashes from Marty's, Dan D's, and Steve 
Alderman's 0200's as well."

Steve Glover

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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:42, Mike Arnold via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve did you get my inquiry on engine cowls for a KR2S?
>> On Apr 11, 2016 9:50 AM, "Steve G. via KRnet"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Joe,
>> 
>> Here is the plug for the new airfoil.  We would pull the mold from these.
>> The sweep is a little more subtle than what you currently have.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of n357cj via
>> KRnet
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:27 AM
>> To: KRnet
>> Cc: n357cj
>> Subject: Re: KR> Odd wing tips...
>> 
>> Steve,
>> Do you have any pictures of  the wing tips that might be available?
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Horton
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Steve G. via KRnet" 
>> To: "KRnet" 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: KR> Odd wing tips...
>> 
>> If you want them correct without much work we do have the Rand wing tip
>> molds. What a concept huh? Prefabbed components
>> 
>> Steve Glover
>> 
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KR> Odd wing tips...

[Steve G.]

Hi Joe,

Here is the plug for the new airfoil.  We would pull the mold from these.
The sweep is a little more subtle than what you currently have.

Steve

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KRnet
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:27 AM
To: KRnet
Cc: n357cj
Subject: Re: KR> Odd wing tips...

Steve,
Do you have any pictures of  the wing tips that might be available?
Thanks,
Joe Horton

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From: "Steve G. via KRnet" 
To: "KRnet" 

Subject: Re: KR> Odd wing tips...

If you want them correct without much work we do have the Rand wing tip
molds. What a concept huh? Prefabbed components 

Steve Glover

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KR> Odd wing tips...

[Steve G.]

Hi Paul,

On our Prefabbed skins they are built in similar to theDiehl airfoil with a 
slight swept tip. I imagine we could take a splash off of plugs and make just 
the tips. 

Steve Glover

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> On Apr 10, 2016, at 08:00, Paul Visk via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve,  Do you have the wing tips for the AS5046/ AS5048 airfoils? 
> Paul ViskBelleville Il 618 406 4705 
> 
> Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S? 6.
>  Original message ...
> If you want them correct without much work we do have the Rand wing tip 
> molds. What a concept huh? Prefabbed components 
> 
> Steve Glover
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KR> Odd wing tips...

[Steve G.]

If you want them correct without much work we do have the Rand wing tip molds. 
What a concept huh? Prefabbed components 

Steve Glover

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> On Apr 10, 2016, at 05:34, Robert7721 via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Owen,
> 
> 
> The only real comment in the KR manual on how to build the wing tips is to 
> "build them alike". If you plan to put lights on the ends, run the wiring 
> now.   Might not be easy later on. I flew mine for a year before I installed 
> the lights but they were wired during building.
> 
> 
> Photo of my wing construction is at;
> 
> 
> http://www.robert7721.com/wings.html
> 
> 
> I've seen lots of different options on KR wing tips, it really is just a 
> builder preference. 
> 
> 
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: svd via KRnet 
> To: krnet 
> Cc: svd 
> Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2016 2:02 am
> Subject: KR> Odd wing tips...
> 
> To the aerodynamically minded out there.I find the wingtips on my son?s  
> project more than a bit odd. It looks like the front edge is squared of 
> ~90deg to mount wingtip lights, and then failed back into the Hoerner 
> bevel.See bottom of:http://hugheskr2s.yolasite.com/progress.php 
> <http://hugheskr2s.yolasite.com/progress.php>Its hard to see from the images 
> but, but the "reverse fillet" is pretty dramatic.Any thoughts?  Should I cut 
> it off and maintain a standard Hoerner 
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KR> Fwd: Re: source of 65 HP aircraft engines and parts, and some airplanes for sale

[Steve G.]

Sorry guys. I meant that obviously for Mark. It's early in Cali and I haven't 
had my coffee. 

Steve Glover

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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 05:48, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> KRnetHeads,
> 
> Doug Steen would like to notify folks that if you're looking for an O-145 
> engine (65HP Lycoming) or parts for one, he knows where to find them.  One of 
> his airpark neighbors had a large cache of these and recently died, leaving 
> his wife with a shop full of engines and parts. See 
> http://www.krnet.org/misc/O145/ for photos and contact info (at the bottom).
> 
> Mark Langford
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> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
> 
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KR> Fwd: Re: source of 65 HP aircraft engines and parts, and some airplanes for sale

[Steve G.]

Hi Mark,

I hadn't looked at my new site for a few days and didn't know the domain 
finally expired. It was a domain I was going to use for the repair station but 
decided on something else. I found out when talking with Joe last night. He 
gave some good ideas on things to add. 

If you get a chance to take a look, the new temporary address is 
www.americansportplanes.com. Let me know if you can think of any additional 
content that might be good to have. I have added links for krnet, nvaero, flykr 
(which I'm changing into a hangar blog of things happening there), and your 
page. Joe suggested an upcoming events link so there is a placeholder for that 
also. All the old KR pages are pretty out of date. It's fine for people who 
have been around but I don't think it brings much excitement for anyone knew 
looking to see what it is about. That's one of the reasons I wanted a total 
overhaul to make it fresh and exciting when somebody comes to see what is going 
on. They don't just see a dead,antiquated design. 

Thanks,

Steve Glover

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> On Mar 26, 2016, at 05:48, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> KRnetHeads,
> 
> Doug Steen would like to notify folks that if you're looking for an O-145 
> engine (65HP Lycoming) or parts for one, he knows where to find them.  One of 
> his airpark neighbors had a large cache of these and recently died, leaving 
> his wife with a shop full of engines and parts. See 
> http://www.krnet.org/misc/O145/ for photos and contact info (at the bottom).
> 
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com
> 
> 
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KR> Wing Extensions

[Steve Goosic]

? I'm new to the KR scene, having acquired a stock KR2 a few months back, that 
about 90% completed. I'm looking to make a few modifications, such as 
increasing the length of the horizontal stabilizer for better pitch control 
and?extending the wings to?decrease the stall?speed, to meet the Sports Pilot 
requirements.??I've?read?comments in the archives about extending the wings, 
but I haven't found any specific?information on the correct way of doing this. 
Since my wings are already built (RAF48), do I extend?both wing?spars or is it 
possible to add additional foam to the existing wing?end and?shape to form?? 
Also, how much further?do the wings need to be extended? I'd be interested in 
hearing from any of you who know or?have done this.
Steve

KR> Search for an Ellision Carb Heat Box

[Steve G.]

Ellison never made a carb heat box to my knowledge. We have a air plenum but 
there is no provision for carburetor heat as the throttlebody is mounted to the 
plenum and then the plenum is mounted to the sump or intake. 

Steve Glover

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> On Feb 27, 2016, at 19:00, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Rene French wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have an Ellison TBI Carb Heat Box in their extra box of
> goodies that is for sale?
> 
> --
> 
> I don't have one for sale, but I can show you exactly how to build one 
> yourself, at http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/airbox/ .  I think this would 
> quality as "per the Ellison drawings", as far as entrance criteria for the 
> air goes.  It works great, as does the Ellison...
> Mark Langford
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KR> LANDING GEAR

[Steve G.]

We now have a gram and gear at $350 at sets. $425 at set if you want them Cut 
to shape. If you want them faced from 1 inch to three quarters add another $25. 
If you would prefer, we can leave them at 26 inches instead of 24.

Steve Glover

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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 09:31, tinyauto via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> I drug one home to cut on and see if it would work.  It cuts about as easy as 
> any thick fiberglass but the rubber bump stops are hard to get off.  Never 
> put it on a plane but I think it would work.
> 
> Kevin Golden
> Harrisonville MO
> Streak Shadow
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile.
> 
>  Original message From: ol' weirdo via KRnet 
>  Date:02/22/2016  10:17 AM  (GMT-06:00) 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: ol' weirdo  gmail.com> Subject: KR> LANDING GEAR 
> Has anyone used the "plastic" spring from a Pontiac van for landing 
> gear? I
> know it is pretty heavy to start with. Can it be cut?
> 
> Bill Weir
> 
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KR> fuel tank glassing

[Steve G.]

Joe,

We primarily only use vinyl-ester now on the tanks we provide unless
requested otherwise.  We have also used Jeffco Epoxy (now Rhino) with good
results. We have had a test sample sitting in Fuel with alcohol for several
years at Richard Shirley's with no deterioration. All my personal tanks have
been built using the Jeffco. They also have a coating that can be painted on
or sloshed during construction and is impervious to the alcohol. Lancair
recommends using it during the construction of their tanks. 

Steve Glover

KR> Re Archives

[Steve]

I would be glad to contribute via PayPal. ?We take so much for granted these 
days...don't even think about what takes place so we can do what we do!
The archives are priceless!
A sincere THANKS to all that keep KRNet going.

Steve

KR> KR 2 Parts

[Steve Bray]

I have a bunch of parts that are going to ruin if someone doesn't come get
them.
 You'll have been talking about spars and I have two complete built wings,
with attachment fittings I don't need. They are the first version.  Buy the
wings for $200 and I'll throw in two completed tails, one boat, canopy, two
header tanks and a bunch of hardware.
 None of this stuff is new or in great shape but some of it is usable and a
lot cheaper than what you would buy.
 This stuff is in Jackson Tennessee between Memphis and Nashville on I-40 .
Someone please come get this stuff.
 Ask Paul Visk, I'm easy to deal with.

KR> VW engines

[Steve G.]

Cost 

Steve Glover

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KR> Tail Addition

[Steve]

Mark , how much extra width would you recommend

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From: Mark Langford via KRnet  
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Date: 01/11/2016  6:48 PM  (GMT-09:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Mark Langford  
Subject: Re: KR> Tail Addition 

bjoenunley wrote:

> Does anyone see a problem with adding the white portion in the 
picture to the tail for more stability?

That will help, but the same material further aft on the ends of the 
stabilizer (leaving the elevator the same size) would be more effective, 
and easier to build, since it's simply an extension of the existing 
airfoil, and the existing h/s would act as your sanding template. I'd 
make it out of foam sanded to shape and covered in two layers of carbon 
fiber, personally.? It would be out of the prop stream and in smoother 
air, if that's even a consideration.

If you like that way that looks though, it will help.

Mark Langford
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KR> Lycoming O235c

[Steve G.]

The EFS-4 is too big for this new engine. You may not find it will operate to 
peak performance.

Steve Glover

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> On Nov 17, 2015, at 10:12, Craig Williams via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I am doing an O-235C on my hybrid S.  I am using a skyTec starter, GD 
> generator,
> EFS-4.  I am hoping for 225 lbs.   We will see.
> 
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
> 
> 
>> On November 17, 2015 at 11:14 AM Nerobro via KRnet 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I was coming in to make a flippant, hopefully humorous comment regarding
>> building a lawn dart due to nose weight.
>> 
>> Turns out... A standard O-200 (something that has been hung on a KR. I
>> think...) is 200-225lbs.  245 lbs isn't that much more.  Provided itt.org to
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KR> Type IV 2600 turbo

[Steve G.]

> Netters, 
> 
> I thought I would offer this to the net prior to posting on barnstormers. I 
> am considering letting go of a 2600cc type IV with a turbo. It was Great 
> Plains version massaged by Revmaster with their turbo and a few other 
> goodies. I would have to pull the receipts but I seem to remember a number 
> between 12 and $15,000 spent on this engine. Rev master ran it on they are 
> dyno at 119 hp. It is ready to run. Includes intake, carb, and exhaust. I may 
> even include the engine mount. It is currently mounted on my KR-2S. 
> 
> A super deal for somebody needing firewall forward for $5000.  I have a line 
> on a turbine engine I think I want for the KR-2S so need to sell this one 
> first. Located in Chino, Ca. 
> 
> Please contact off list if interested. 
> 
> Steve Glover
> n925sg at gmail.com
> 
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KR> First flight

[Steve G.]

Congratulations Robert!  A well deserved reward for your perseverance on a 
beautiful build!  Well, give us the details???

Regards,

Steve Glover

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> On Oct 12, 2015, at 06:53, Robert Pesak via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone, I made my first flight yesterday and approximately 1:30 p.m. I 
> guess now I can a log one takeoff and one landing.
> 
> 
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KR> why two gathering sites (one not working)

[Steve G.]

I left KR gathering.com so I could put the financial report there. For the 
gathering this year they wanted to take care of their own site. I haven't heard 
whether Larry wants to use the.com address or just continue to use the other.

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 14, 2015, at 10:11, Dj Merrill via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/14/2015 1:02 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
>> http://krgathering.com/   (Not Working))
>> 
>> http://bouyea.net/KRGathering   (Working)
>> 
>> I wonder if the broken one could be deleted, or redirected to the working 
>> one?
> 
> 
> Both of those sites work fine for me.
> 
> -Dj
> 
> 
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KR> Parts I don't need.

[Steve Bray]

I have some KR2 parts I need out of my way.
A set of wings, older airfoil, boat with the tail, turtle deck with a tail,
two header tanks and a canopy.
There is some hardware and probably other parts I've forgotten with this.
The parts are located in Jackson Tennessee and you have to come get them.
Make an offer, contact me off the KRnet, directly. Do Not respond on the
net.
Steve Bray, rsbray at hotmail.com

KR> KR Gathering

[Steve G.]

Yet again, nobody contacted me. 

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 11, 2015, at 05:40, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I received the following personal e-mail and felt it necessary to reply to 
> the group as I'm sure others have the same concern.  E-mail and reply are 
> below.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:29 PM 9/10/2015, you wrote:
>> Guys, is it really necessary/appropriate to be having this 'discussion' on a 
>> public forum?
> 
> 
> I felt it necessary to put the info on the net because of the situation it 
> created. In spite of Steve's comment "Your "situation" is a joke and created 
> by certain persons with their own agenda", his procrastination left Dan and 
> John with no idea what funds they had to work with until shortly before the 
> Gathering.  It left people thinking we were short of funds and generated 
> discussions at the Gathering about incorporating, having elected officers, 
> people feeling obligated to donate additional funds, etc.  I don't consider 
> that "situation" to be a joke and felt everyone concerned needed to know the 
> facts so we could make some rational decisions concerning future Gatherings.
> 
> And yes, at this point, if there are any future communications, they can be 
> handled off line.  As a member of the steering committee, I hope to have 
> open, honest, and timely communication for future Gatherings.
> 
> Larry Flesner
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KR> KR Gathering

[Steve G.]

Whatever makes you happy Larry. I left a phone message and email for contact 
but didn't get a response so was initially going to send it to Mark L. Ask him 
if you like. I found John's address so sent it to him as I had no follow up 
contact if there was any concern. He had it approx 30 days before the 
gathering.  I've already stated it could have been done sooner but I just 
didn't. It sat in the same lock box since the last gathering and until I could 
finish the last couple orders, "which I still have three hats that I paid for 
and not the gathering fund". Your "situation" is a joke and created by certain 
persons with their own agenda. I had spoken to Mark on several occasions about 
the fund and it certainly was not in question as to if it would be sent that I 
am aware of.  I mentioned to him more than once about trying to get a chance to 
finish it up. I did have to locate some receipts that were left in the hangar. 

I'm really not too broken up with your opinion of my maturity or 
responsibility.  

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash. 

> On Sep 10, 2015, at 21:12, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> At 09:31 PM 9/10/2015, you wrote:
>> Dan receive the funds in the same timeframe that I received it from you last 
>> year. I didn't receive the funds or ask for them for that matter until 
>> August of last year which is when the funds were actually needed to pay for 
>> items so if Dan is saying otherwise then that's his deal and frankly I 
>> really don't care.  Could I have sent them along sooner, probably so if I 
>> would've done the final breakdown sooner.
> 
> 
> ++
> 
> I informed you early in the year that the funds were available any time you 
> determined how much you needed.  You requested them on 7/12/2014 at 2:22PM.  
> I informed you two hours later (4:11PM) that the check would be in the mail 
> that weekend or on Monday.  You could have had the funds in March if you had 
> requested them.  It's my understanding that the same communications did not 
> take place between you and Dan and that a check showed up just weeks before 
> this years Gathering.  Waiting nearly a year to do a report of $4000 of 
> Gathering funds and mailing the check (as stated above) , seems less than 
> responsible.  I'm certainly not critical of you coming up a bit short, it 
> happens year to year.  My primary concern was your lack of communication with 
> the host of this years Gathering.  The situation created has the KR community 
> jumping through hoops suggesting solutions to problems I really don't think 
> the group has.  A bit of organizing and a healthy dose of responsibility is 
> all that is needed, IMHO.
> 
> 
> I regret having to call you out on the handling and reporting of the 
> Gathering funds but a more responsible approach on your part to that 
> responsibility would have avoided it ever becoming an issue.   I had hoped 
> that you would have handled the situation in a more mature manner, especially 
> when communicating with a group you hope to do business with, but I have no 
> control with that.  If I am wrong with any of the facts I have stated, please 
> advise and I will publicly apologize to you and to the group.  Until then I 
> stand by my post.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
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KR> KR Gathering

[Steve G.]

Dan receive the funds in the same timeframe that I received it from you last 
year. I didn't receive the funds or ask for them for that matter until August 
of last year which is when the funds were actually needed to pay for items so 
if Dan is saying otherwise then that's his deal and frankly I really don't 
care. Could I have sent them along sooner, probably so if I would've done the 
final breakdown sooner. Did it have any affect on the items needed for the 
gathering?  No. And as far as John's comment about "full accounting of the 
gathering funds", he can kiss my ass. The previous year at Mount Vernon lost 
money and most items there are donated so I'm really not interested in anybody 
crying about why we lost money. The breakdown is on the gathering.com website.

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 17:37, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I don't want Dan to end up in the hole on this, and I want to help build the 
>> funding for the next host, who-ever and where-ever that may be, so they 
>> don't start out in the hole.
> 
> +++
> 
> I had hoped that a lot of these posts with ideas and opinions for future 
> Gatherings would have been posted to Mark Langford's e-mail, as I had 
> requested in an earlier post,  to be considered by the Steering Committee.
> 
> As host of 9 of the last 12 Gatherings, I'll give my insight to hosting a 
> Gathering, stated factually and bluntly.  Had the Gathering funds from 2014 
> been forwarded in a timely manner, Dan should not have had any out of pocket 
> expenses.  I forwarded the remaining $1000 in the Gathering fund to Dan 
> earlier this year and, shortly before this years Gathering, he received 
> $3,300 from last years Gathering. For the 2014 Gathering, I had forwarded 
> $4000 to Steve as soon as he requested it with an amount he felt he needed.  
> 2014 Gathering funds should have been available months ago.  In my opinion, 
> it is not unreasonable to require a full accounting of funds within 30 to 45 
> days following the Gathering. With that being said, $4000 to $5000 should be 
> quite adequate up front to host a Gathering.  If it's not then we need to do 
> something different.  It is not my intent to cast aspersions on anyone but to 
> present the facts so we can make good decisions.  With that behind us, lets 
> move forward with good will and keep the Gathering a fun event that we can 
> all look forward to attending.
> 
> Prior to the 2004 Gathering, my first to host, I received $1800 from Steve 
> and Linda Bennett.  By initiating a "pre-registration" site, I was able to 
> know how many shirts/hats, with shirt sizes, to order and the approximate 
> number planning to attend the Gathering banquet.  Hats, shirts, banquet 
> deposit (if required) and awards are the biggest expenses to consider.  
> Anyone considering hosting should have an adequate facility with management 
> that welcomes our group without rental / fee demands.  Any rental / fee 
> demands should be extremely minimal or find another location.  Do in large 
> part to the generosity of the KR attendees, we were able to build the fund to 
> $5000 during the Mt.Vernon years without having to charge up front 
> registration fees, etc..  Passing the hat at the banquet was a tradition that 
> continued to support our efforts.  You may have noticed there was never an 
> accounting of income/expenses for the 2010 Gathering in Richmond , Kentucky, 
> hosted by Dana Overall, but Dana returned to me, nearly dollar for dollar, 
> the $5000 I forwarded to him.  That's all I can say on that matter.
> 
> Before we  move to set up Pay Pal accounts, consider legally incorporating 
> the group,  or other actions, let's see how the finances shake out this year 
> and move forward making sound decisions based on the "real" needs of the 
> group.
> 
> Anyone considering hosting a Gathering may contact me at  flesner at 
> frontier.com or (cell)  618 201 5958 and I will share a list of , in my 
> opinion, things you need to consider and needs you need to fill.
> 
> All opinions and suggestions are welcome at  " ML at N56ML.com " with subject 
> line " 2016 Gathering".
> 
> Larry Flesner
> Gathering host: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, , 2011, 2012, 2013
> 
> 
> 
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KR> 2015 Gathering pics, older pics web etc

[Steve G.]

They would be cast from 356 then machined. Steel would probably be fine too. 
Either way we would need to have them cast or laser cut. They both would need 
an additional process for either machining or welding. 

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 15:52, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Since material for aileron bell cranks is getting more difficult to find I 
>> am considering having them cast is a single piece like many of certified 
>> aircraft have.
> 
> +
> 
> Can they be made using a light weight, more readily available, steel?  Seems 
> to me the forces / stress on these bell cranks is extremely small.  In my 
> limited exposure I don't ever recall seeing a "cast aluminum" bell crank but 
> I have seen steel.
> 
> Larry Flesner
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KR> 2015 Gathering pics, older pics web etc

[Steve G.]

I haven't gone back to update the photos since it was decided to use a 
different site for the gathering this year. I will get it updated as soon as 
possible. Keep in mind I do work a regular job so I'm not in the office for 
orders or anything else. For the most part my office work is limited to 
weekends.

I have not found our nose gear pivots since Remodeling the hanger for Ellison 
fluid systems. I had to order a new batch which hopefully will be here soon.

FYI, I went to order a new set of gear legs and about fell over. The blank for 
a set of scotch ply for gear legs is now $800 cost. That is before any 
machining or cutting down. My last order earlier in the year was $550.

Since material for aileron bell cranks is getting more difficult to find I am 
considering having them cast is a single piece like many of certified aircraft 
have. How many out there would actually be interested in a one piece system? 
Like most other KR related components that we have made, I do not want to break 
a bunch of stuff and then get stuck with it. 



Steve Glover

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 09:18, Chris Prata via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> I just went to the krgathering.com web page and the 2015 pics are not up (it 
> just happened so...).  So I wanted to look at past ones and clicked on the 
> oldest two years.  The pics are broken links. I vaguely recall asking about 
> that months ago, offering my time to fix the links, and I very vaguely recall 
> they were then fixed.
> 
> But now they dont work.  Were they fixed, and either way what is the issue?  
> This is a simple, static page with some text and pics, so it shouldnt really 
> be that hard to have it work. Am I missing something here?
> 
> Those of us gearing to to (attempt) a building of one of these can benefit 
> from these resources being available for information and motivation.
> 
> I looked on nvaero for KR1 plans months ago and they werent listed so I 
> emailed Steve. He promptly replied he would get the item on there soon. 
> Yesterday I checked, still not there so I emailed him again and his quick 
> reply was that he would get them on there. I thanked him and asked about lead 
> times. Today, still no plans (he may be checking on availability, but a quick 
> email about that would be nice).  Not looking for amazon-like customer 
> service in our niche hobby and the web sites and nvaero are God-sends to us, 
> but stuff has to work for it to be useful.
> 
> The archive newsletters and Mark's stuff is always there and I value that 
> immensely, so a shout out to him.
> 
> 
> 
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KR> 2015 Gathering

[Steve G.]

The breakdown for last year is on krgathering.com if anyone would like to see 
what is costs for a new gathering location. This did not include the personal 
expenses incurred so bear that in mind when considering hosting. My. Vernon is 
great since so much is donated.  

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 10, 2015, at 07:57, Jeff Scott via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> It was my understanding the $25 registration fee was to help make this 
> gathering come close to breaking even (which it probably didn't) as the Chino 
> Gathering was expensive for Steve to host, so the funds passed forward to Dan 
> were minimal.  I don't want Dan to end up in the hole on this, and I want to 
> help build the funding for the next host, who-ever and where-ever that may 
> be, so they don't start out in the hole.  Someone has to foot the bill for 
> shirts and hats to be ordered BEFORE anyone ever buys a single one of them.  
> Someone foots the bill for the catering before anyone ever commits a penny to 
> attend the banquet.  I would rather not see the next host have to front that 
> money out of pocket as that would be a real disincentive to host a gathering. 
>  Towards that end, I made a substantial donation towards the Gathering via 
> Dan's PayPal account yesterday.  It's OK if you don't feel moved to pay it 
> forward for the gatherings.  But I felt compelled to do my part to support 
> future gatherings.
> 
> Perhaps Larry can comment about this since he has hosted a number of times, 
> with much of his first gathering fronted out of his pocket before he was able 
> to build sufficient funds to start supporting future gatherings.  
> 
> -Jeff Scott
> Los Alamos, NM
> 
> 
>> 
>> I have always made a generous contribution to the HAT, in the past.
>> However, I have never in the past paid fees to attend.  I prefer the "HAT",
>> but either way is good for me, but do we really need to pay fees and pass
>> the hat?
>> 
>> My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site
>> 
>> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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KR> WAS - Diehl nose gear spring locator tube.

[Steve G.]

Not quite a year but guilty.  The fork is machined.  I had one of my workers
clean the shop several months ago and haven't been able to find our box of
pivots since. I have yours and one more machined and ready to go once I find
the box.  I will try to find them this weekend.  Sorry for the delay.  You
did get the gear leg and the rest of the order though as you asked for, yes?

FYI, outstanding plans orders should be completed soon. We only have a few
items left before all parts and plans orders are current. I have been
spending more time in the hangar trying to make a transition from
construction to other endeavors. 

Carbs - Since purchasing Ellison Fluid Systems we have been busy with shop
renovations, servicing and overhauls. We have a batch of EFS-2's nearly
ready for assembly.  The bodies are back from the platers so they just need
assembly. We will have several on the shelf soon if anyone is interested. 

Steve Glover

KR> KR2s engine mount for Corvair??

[Steve G.]

No you're not. There probably in your mailbox today. They cleared customs on 
Friday.

Steve Glover

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> On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:02, Global Solutions via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Still waiting on my plans from Aero I ordered in February  so I thought id 
> ask the group if they had dimensions for an engine mount to fit a 110HP 
> corvair engine in a KR2S?
> I have welding and machine shop facilities.
> 
> Thanks
> Stan
> 
> 
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 205

[Steve Bennett]

Marty, at Great Plains Aircraft 402 493 6507 has the std KR mount available.

Steve Bennett

iflyavw at msn.com

KR> Nvaero plans/supplements

[Steve G.]

Can we please put this to rest. While there have been issues with plans and 
availability both on of our parts I cannot say that all of that was Jeanette. 
It is a 45 mile trip each way for me to get plans. I was only getting a few at 
a time which made it difficult especially with my work schedule. I took a break 
after the gathering last year because of all the BS and whining regarding KR 
stuff and needed a breather. 

Any current plans orders will be filled shortly. We are nearly caught up on 
parts orders so the wait times should not be as much as before. I am spending 
more time at the hanger since purchasing Ellison Fluid Systems and we are 
beginning to produce new carburetors as well as provide overhaul service. Keep 
in mind I still work a regular job. It is 8:40 pm my time and I am just getting 
off work and heading to the hanger.  I am voice writing this email as I drive.

Jeanette Rand is a great lady and has given most of her life's to the KR 
design.  While many may not have agreed with how she has done business, she has 
always been honest and provided what was ordered. I think any public bashing is 
not necessary or appreciated.

Anyone is free to bash away regarding me or nV Aero. As most know, I could give 
a rats ass. I will get people's orders as quickly as I can.  But again keep in 
mind I have to work a real job and this is typically about when I get off work 
every day after starting about 530 in the morning. The KR business has never 
paid for itself. It has always been out-of-pocket. I do it because I love the 
design and believe in having an affordable plane for the average guy.  If you 
have ordered parts they will come I can assure you. Hopefully things will come 
a bit sooner now.

Steve Glover

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> On Jun 16, 2015, at 20:26, Mike T via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> I was asking for the reason for the delay, not trying to blame Steve. It's
> obviously Jeanette Rand's fault.  Ken Rand died when the design of the KR
> was still evolving and the plans were little more than a first draft.  It's
> tragic  there was never anyone else at Rand-Robinson who was interested in
> correcting the errors in the plans and improving the KR's design.  (Of
> course many people here have done that, but you aren't the official
> supplier, so the defective plans keep getting sold and everyone has to
> rediscover the errors afresh).
> 
> If Ken had been a careful pilot and stuck around awhile, he could have
> been another Burt Rutan, and the KR could have been the first of many
> brilliant designs.  Instead Rand-Robinson became a printing shop
> that did little for 40 years but reprint and sell the same set of plans,
> and now they apparently can hardly even do that.
> 
> Mike Taglieri
> On Jun 16, 2015 10:33 PM, "Virgil N.Salisbury via KRnet" <
> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>Lighten up Mike. Walk in Steve's shoes for a while. If you want
>>to discourage some from building any KR, you are doing a bang
>>up job, Virg
>>Broad shoulders, Thick skin !
>> 
>> 
>>>On 6/16/2015 6:34 PM, Mike T via KRnet wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's the reason for these extraordinary delays?  Lots of older
>>> plansbuilt
>>> plane designs (some going back to the 1950s) have let Aircraft Spruce take
>>> over the printing and shipping of plans.  If nvaero isn't able to handle
>>> it, maybe they should consider that.  (Or are they getting the plans from
>>> Jeanette Rand?)  Whoever it is, this could make people give up before they
>>> even start.
>>> 
>>> Mike Taglieri
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:50 AM, Robert Dunleavy via KRnet <
>>> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I ordered my plans in early Feb. , Emailed nvaero about the status last
>>>> week, got a prompt reply which indicated the plans should be shipping out
>>>> soonrobert
>> 
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KR> Terrible accident at Oshkosh

[STEVE]

I haven't seen it mentioned on the Kr network this week.  Earlier this week, 
Jeremy Monnett and an Employee will killed in a crash at Oshkosh.  The service 
will be on Sunday.  If you go to sonex.com, it has all the details.  The 
employee was only 20 years old, Jeremy was 40 and leaves behind a wife and 2 
young children.   They will be missed!
Steve Bennett

iflyavw at msn.com

KR> Canopy hinge

[Steve G.]

A guy in Kansas bought it. We tried to find it to but it back but never got an 
answer. 

Steve Glover

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On May 12, 2015, at 12:59, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet  
wrote:

>> "I don't think rear sliding has been done or is practical for KR
> shape."
> 
> Steve Glover had one for sale a couple years ago (or less . . . time is
> becoming more fluid as I get older) that had a rear-sliding canopy that
> was really the cat's meow.  I kept pictures of it as it was one of the
> best looking KR's I've ever seen.  I must have asked Steve whatever
> happened to this KR but I don't remember what he said.  Pictures
> attached.  
> 
> Mike
> KSEE
> 
> 
> 
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KR> 2015 Gathering Web Page

[Steve G.]

Steve Glover

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> On Apr 8, 2015, at 18:19, Virgil N.Salisbury via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>Same here, Virg
> 
> 
>>On 4/8/2015 4:17 PM, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote:
>> great work! but (for me), the years before 2001 just show a row of generic 
>> thumbnails and no pictures...
> 
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KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 91

[Steve Bray]

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE CLEAN UP YOUR REPLYS.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 11:00 AM,  wrote:

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>1.  KR for sale (Kelly Lindblad)
>2. Re:  KR for sale (Gabriele Morino)
>3.  test (Mike Sylvester)
>4. Re:  test (Paul Visk)
>5.  Sid (Paul Visk)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 13:35:58 -0500
> From: "Kelly Lindblad" 
> To: , "Mark Langford" 
> Subject: KR> KR for sale
> Message-ID: <6C93EC9764DC4847865DC86A10BC0483 at UserHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> I have been trying to pass my Medical for about ten years, with no
> luck.
> I built this Kr2 many years ago, flew it.  The first time, only to have the
> kr landing gear collapse because I never got the bulletin to put bigger
> bolts in landing gear.  I rebuilt the plane using the same gear as John
> Shaffer-N 455JS.  The only difference is I made it electric hydraulic. This
> plane is powered with a Suburu  E81 engine and propelled with a Al Shouse
> wooden prop.  It has a 16 gallon Aluminum gas tank and hydraulic brakes.
> It
> has always been hangered and run about 4 times a year.  I feel I am not
> capable at 79 to fly this plane.  Also Ellason Throttle body carb.
>
> This plane is located in Benson,Mn.  I can be reached at 1-320-843-4525 or
> my cell 1-612-720-9216 or E-mail   cjijlin at charter.net
>
> Thank You,
> Kelly Lindblad,
> 311-16th St. So.,
> Benson, Mn. 56215
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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>1. Re:  Selecting an airport to be based at (Sid Wood)
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>3. Re:  Selecting an airport to be based at (Dave Acklam)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:06:07 -0400
> From: "Sid Wood" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: KR> Selecting an airport to be based at
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> Maybe it is because airplane have vented tanks and quick drains while cars
> have closed fuel systems.  Most gas cans also have tight fitting caps.
>
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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>
>
> Same logic that my homeowners insurance used when they could care less
> if my garage attached to my house and next to my bedroom had two cars
> and a riding mower with gas and all the gas cans I wanted, but they
> refused to insure my hanger separate from the house because it contained
> an airplane.  Makes no difference that the cars can be 50 years old with
> rusting steel tanks and the plane is inspected regularly to FAA
> standards.
>
> 
> 
> So, that begs the question, why is 200 gallons of fuel stored in the
> tanks
> of an airplane more save than 20 gallons of fuel stored in approved
> containers that are completely sealed?
>
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---
>
> I rented my second one to a guy with a Cessna 210. He told me one day
> that
> he'd lost 19 gallons of 100LL out of the wing tank and onto the floor of
> the
> hangar about a week earlier. Apparently his petcock failed somehow and
> drained one wing tank.
>
> ___
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 19:17:12 -0600
> From: budz 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: Re: KR> Adelaide visit
> Message-ID: <55208D18.40904 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
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>
>
> I am visiting my son in Adelaide 

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 77

[Steve Bray]

>
>
>
>I started flying in 1957 at a SAC aero club at Davis Monthan AFB in
> Tucson, AZ. We paid $4.00 per hour for a J-3 and a Champ 7AC. $5.00 per
> hour
> for a Tripacer and $8.00 for a T-34. Time was free if you were flying to
> get
> parts or to break in an engine overhaul. For $300.00 I accumulated 84 hours
> of flying .
>
> Patrick Driscoll
> Saint Paul, MN
> patrick36 at usfamily.net
> www.pensbypat.com
> If you can read this, Thank a teacher
> If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran
>
>
> What a rip off.
>
 After only 25 years the AF aero club had increased their prices by 33%.
I had to pay %12 per hr. wet fro a Navion, Mooney or T-34. Image, paying
that much for a retract high performance complex FUN aircraft. Being old
has its good parts. I flew up my entire G I bill having fun supposedly
working on my commercial that I didn't want any.
 When I got out Memphis NAS was selling their T-34's for $10K each, a whole
row of them, you pick .
 Back in the real world I could not afford to fly and didn't for another
twenty years. I messed up,or got lucky and got a ride and it all started
again I traded a truck for a VolksPlane.

Steve Bray
Uncompleted KR2
1941 Piper J-5A.

KR> FW: Rotec TBI MKII Info

[Steve G.]

Very interesting they did an "exact copy" of the Ellison now per their
website.  They say on the website there was no vapor lock issues with their
Mk1.  I know of least two around here that has had it on more than one
occasion. Simply, the separate regulator did not benefit from the cooling of
the throttle body while air is passing through. Cooling air or a blast tube
is needed to keep it operating properly. That is why they copied the Ellison
exactly. 

While the idea of the built in "primer" and vapor lock release looks like a
good idea, I would caution against it.  Think about this...the primer is a
lever or button that presses on the diaphragm to allow fuel to flow, or
release any trapped air from the vapor lock. Depending on your installation,
the fuel may not stay in the carb. But that is a completely separate issue.
There are others I won't get into as well. Ideally a primer will send fuel
directly into the intake near the head or valves for best efficiency, and
separately from your fuel delivery system. The least amount of failure
points as possible should be the goal with fuel delivery. A quick look at
the NTSB reports reveal a high number of accidents are fuel related.

With the type of fuel delivery system on the Ellison and Rotec, the pressure
on the diaphragm opens the fuel inlet valve which allows the fuel to flow.
With their design you have a penetration through the pressure side of the
chamber, which requires some type of seal to maintain the pressure for the
opening of the valve. If that seal seeps or fails, you lose the pressure
required to provide fuel flow.  Not a good thing in flight.  Granted, they
make a good looking product. But in my opinion, this primer idea is an
accident waiting to happen. 

All the new EFS carbs will be CNC'd with some enhancements. The cost will
not be as much as in the past but more than the Rotec. We are making most
parts in house but for others it just does not make sense to purchase a
several thousand dollar multi axis CNC, especially when we are in the meca
of commercial and military aviation here in Southern California. The reason
they have one in house is from their engine facility. There is nowhere near
enough margin in these to justify the expense for just the carb
manufacturing. 

Steve Glover

KR> Great Plains

[STEVE]

Steve is not the youngest kid on the block anymore.  An opportunity came along 
to sell Great Plains to Marty Roberts that was good for both of us.  Linda and 
our son Scott will continue to do the landing gear, wheels, brakes, tires and 
tubes (OKeefeAero.com).  Linda and I both have a desire to do a little sight 
seeing around the US with our F350 and 5th wheel, and the sale of Great Plains 
to Marty will allow us to do that.

Marty is pretty well up and running.  He has all the parts for direct drive 
engines and most of the parts for flywheel drive engines (not to be confused 
with rear drive where we had the housing and dampener).  He only has to have 
some hubs made for the flywheel drive. He has all the individual engine parts, 
bearings, cases, heads, Force One Hub kits, dual ignition, etc... and of course 
the Diehl Accessory Case Components.  All the parts that Linda and I carried - 
Marty has or will have them also.

In October of 2014, we sold all of our Sonerai parts to Fred Keip.  Fred has 
been the Sonerai Newsletter Editor for many years and has built and flown his 
Sonerai II for well over 1000 hours, VW powered of course.
Fred has the same products that we sold for the Sonerai Family of aircraft, so 
it was a smooth transition also.

Linda is updating the Great Plains catalog and it will be back on line in a 
couple of weeks.  It was out of date - price wise and did not match the 
shopping cart prices.

Linda and I are in the background, helping Marty and Ellen (Marty's wife) do as 
smooth of a transition as possible.

Our goal was to transition the parts to individuals that would continue to 
support the homebuilt community.  Too many times when a sport aircraft company 
is sold, the new owners fail and leaves many homebuilders without support of 
the product/s they purchased from the company.  We did/do not want that to 
happen.

Steve Bennett

KR> Great Planes ???

[Steve G.]

Steve has retired.  After A few decades of supporting crazy people they've had 
enough.

Marty Roberts of KR fame has bought the company and is ramping up operations. I 
spoke with him today and he said he will be producing the rear drive system for 
anyone who is interested. The original Great Plains phone number dials directly 
into Marty if you have any questions.

Steve Glover

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KR> Ellison Throttle Body carbs

[Steve G.]

Stay tuned, we are currently tooling up and getting our CAD files in order to 
start producing them. I have been in contact with Ben and working closely with 
him on the transition. For liability purposes it will be called something 
different and have a few minor upgrades. One of the major hurdles was some 
internal parts that are no longer available. We now have that dialed in so 
hopefully will be producing the full line of carburetors in the not-too-distant 
future.

Steve Glover

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> On Jan 28, 2015, at 12:31, Chris Kinnaman via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> That's too bad. I wonder if they tried to sell the biz before deciding to 
> close?
> 
> Chris
> 
>> On 1/28/2015 1:19 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote:
>> I just found out Ellison is shutting down!  What a shame.
>> 
>> They will be supporting the various carbs indefinitely with parts and
>> service, but no new sales after the current inventory of EFS-3A and EFS-4
>> carbs are gone.  They have about five of each left.  The 3A is perfect
>> for the Corvair.  It's a thousand bucks plus change.  Rotec wants
>> significantly more and I'm not sure it's as good.
>> 
>> Mike
>> KSEE
>> 
>> 
>> How Old Men Tighten Skin
>> 63 Year Old Man Shares DIY Skin Tightening Method You Can Do From Home
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54c94498cc32044980214st02vuc
>> 
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KR> Tail wheel spring

[Steve G.]

The only spring we have at the moment is old stock of the original plans 
spring. It is marginal at best unless used on very light KR's. 

I haven't been in the office or at the hangar since I turned the website back 
on. Thought I was going to have a few weeks to catch up but had construction 
projects that needed to begin before planned. 

Steve Glover

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> On Jan 28, 2015, at 05:02, Mark Langford via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Phil Matheson wrote:
> 
>> I have the Matco tail wheel that needs a 1 1/2 inch spring, what is the
> length you are using?
> 
> I've seen tail springs that were 4" long, and some that were probably 18"
> long.  Apparently they both work.  Somewhere around 14"-16" seems to work
> well, at least on my plane.  Length is a factor in determining the thickness
> as well.  Most of us try a quarter inch thick, and if that' not enough, add
> a reinforcing layer of 1/8" 4130  or something...a "built up" spring. 
> 
> If width is your concern, as with the Aviation Products tail wheel, it's
> easily ground down on the width where it interfaces with the tail spring
> (see http://www.n56ml.com/kgear.html for a photo of that).  
> 
> Does nvAero even sell a tail spring?
> 
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML at N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Gear Legs

[STEVE]

Gear Legs:  We made a set of aluminum gear legs for Steve Glover (NVAERO) 
before he called it quits.  They are made from 2024t351 x .750" T.  They were 
cut the same tapered shape I assume that the Diehl Legs are.   I don't know if 
he ever got a chance to try them out.  
I think they are less than the Diehl gear legs are, retailing for about $375.00 
for a pair with the pre-welded axles (3/4" diameter).  The gear legs are bent 
close to the bottom to eliminate the need for the casting at the axle.

Steve Bennett

Great Plains Aircraft

iflyavw at msn.com

KR> KR-2 in "Aftermath"

[Steve G.]

We are not allowed to make any plans changes. We've tried. 

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 25, 2014, at 23:54, Mike T via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> (hit "send" too soon)
> 
> If they got a good lawyer, he'd kept telling the jury  "twenty-seven YEARS
> they knew about this deadly design, and they HID it from the public!"  The
> fact that Rand died in the prototype would also look good in the tabloids,
> even though that had nothing to do with spins.  ("The Death Plane started
> by killing its own designer, and it's been killing people ever since!!!)
> 
> I know this is all nonsense, but do you think a jury of non-homebuilders
> wouldn't buy it, especially with this guy's grieving widow and children
> blubbering in the courtroom every day?
> 
> Fortunately, I doubt RR has enough money to be worth suing at this point,
> which may be what saved them in 2013.   But if I were NVaero, I'd send out
> a few "MANDATORY DESIGN CHANGES" of my own, just to be on the safe side.
> 
> Mike Taglieri
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Mike T  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with DJ, and I think other kitplane makers do too.  Recently the
>> designer of the CX4 (an aluminum single-seat design about 10 years old),
>> discovered the cable attachment method on the rudder was causing fatigue
>> cracks in the rudder cables of his prototype.  So he redesigned the part
>> and emailed it as a "MANDATORY DESIGN CHANGE" in big letters to all
>> registered builders.  Larger kitplane makers like RV make similar
>> improvements in their plans all the time.
>> 
>> According to some KR-Net posts, Neil Bingham's design review talking about
>> the unsafe aft CG limit appeared in Sport Aviation in 1986 and also in the
>> KR Newsletter.  Even if Rand-Robinson claimed they never heard of Sport
>> Aviation, they can hardly claim they didn't know about the Newsletter
>> because they occasionally made contributions to it.
>> 
>> So if the family of the dead pilot in this tragedy wanted to sue
>> Rand-Robinson, they could say Jeanette Rand found out 27 years earlier that
>> the aft CG limit in the plans was an error that could kill people, but RR
>> never bothered to change the plans or even mention the problem.
>> 
>> I'm not saying I'm worried about this.  The family probably doesn't want
>> to sue, and if they did they'd have to prove that the original builder
>> didn't vary from the plans in this area, which would be tricky.  But if
>> they got a good lawyer, he'd kept telling the jury  "twenty-seven YEARS
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet <
>> krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On 09/25/2014 02:32 PM, Sid Wood via KRnet wrote:
>>>> The principle that will be invoked is: You new something was wrong with
>>>> your design because you made a change. Therefore, you are now admitting
>>>> to some liability and must pay for your mistake(s).
>>> 
>>> The flip side to this is that you knew that something was wrong with
>>> your design, and you didn't release an update therefore you were
>>> endangering everyone using your faulty design.  Better to own up and
>>> release an update for free rather than take the chance on getting sued
>>> if/when people start getting hurt.
>>> 
>>> -Dj
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
>>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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KR> KR-2 in "Aftermath"

[Steve G.]

If this is the crash I'm thinking of, the NTSB contacted me with questions 
about the aircraft. I was told it had a lycoming 360 stuffed in it. 

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 25, 2014, at 23:41, Mike T via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> I agree with DJ, and I think other kitplane makers do too.  Recently the
> designer of the CX4 (an aluminum single-seat design about 10 years old),
> discovered the cable attachment method on the rudder was causing fatigue
> cracks in the rudder cables of his prototype.  So he redesigned the part
> and emailed it as a "MANDATORY DESIGN CHANGE" in big letters to all
> registered builders.  Larger kitplane makers like RV make similar
> improvements in their plans all the time.
> 
> According to some KR-Net posts, Neil Bingham's design review talking about
> the unsafe aft CG limit appeared in Sport Aviation in 1986 and also in the
> KR Newsletter.  Even if Rand-Robinson claimed they never heard of Sport
> Aviation, they can hardly claim they didn't know about the Newsletter
> because they occasionally made contributions to it.
> 
> So if the family of the dead pilot in this tragedy wanted to sue
> Rand-Robinson, they could say Jeanette Rand found out 27 years earlier that
> the aft CG limit in the plans was an error that could kill people, but RR
> never bothered to change the plans or even mention the problem.
> 
> I'm not saying I'm worried about this.  The family probably doesn't want to
> sue, and if they did they'd have to prove that the original builder didn't
> vary from the plans in this area, which would be tricky.  But if they got a
> good lawyer, he'd kept telling the jury  "twenty-seven YEARS
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet  list.krnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>>> On 09/25/2014 02:32 PM, Sid Wood via KRnet wrote:
>>> The principle that will be invoked is: You new something was wrong with
>>> your design because you made a change. Therefore, you are now admitting
>>> to some liability and must pay for your mistake(s).
>> 
>> The flip side to this is that you knew that something was wrong with
>> your design, and you didn't release an update therefore you were
>> endangering everyone using your faulty design.  Better to own up and
>> release an update for free rather than take the chance on getting sued
>> if/when people start getting hurt.
>> 
>> -Dj
>> 
>> --
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>> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
>> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
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KR> Gathering Funds

[Steve G.]

Larry Wrote:

The last 3 years were pretty much "break even" on expenses / income.  Hat /
shirt sales generally have sales covering expenses.  The banquet was a bit
of a money maker, maybe $250 to $300 or so.  Awards were all expenses, no
income.  The funds were able to grow over the years mainly through the
generosity of the attendees with donations at the banquet when we "passed
the hat".  The best year as I recall was in the $700 dollar range.
Attendance was down at Mt.Vernon the last few years but the fund held it's
own at the
$5000 dollar mark, going up and down by several hundred dollars each year.
We were fortunate at Mt.Vernon to not have a lot of operating expenses and
great support from the airport and restaurant.  Not every location has that
kind of backing.  I have the financial statement for the last three years,
2011, 2012, 2013, that I'll send to Steve.  He can post it on the Gathering
site for your review.

I'm sure Steve will make a full report when he finds time to rap things up.
We'll see how it shakes out this year.

Larry Flesner

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I am fortunate enough to have Kiku to take care of all the bookkeeping for
me.  This is what we does for a living and so I am happy for her to take on
this task. After a few of the shirt and hat orders are completed I will be
able to post the outcome.  Larry is right. Having a facility that provides
nearly all of your logistical support is huge.  We had to rent tables and
chairs, banquet was more than I expected with a few extras added in plus tax
and gratuity.  Awards add up quick as well.  We won't make money this year
given the location and items required but it shouldn't too bad either. Some
additional expenses we incurred this year was buying a new domain for the
Gathering website and a form site for the registration process. After
spending a ton of time trying to fix what we had I just started from scratch
to streamline the registration process. It made things much easier with my
time constraints.   

Many of the expenses I incurred personally were due to my not planning
properly for the workshops and last minute requirements the county placed on
me. I didn't feel these expenses should come from the Gathering fund since I
offered up the location.  Next time I will know better of what to expect. 

Steve Glover

KR> Jack's home

[Steve G.]

Received a call from Jack Daugherty this afternoon. He has made it home safely. 
Spent the night last night in Hobbs New Mexico. Said he encountered some pretty 
good winds around Demming. Looks like everyone is home safe.

See you all next year.

Steve Glover

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KR> rudder pedals

[Steve G.]

The plans rudder pedals were .035. They were upgraded to .049 with hydraulic 
brakes but was still problematic. We make all of ours from . 058. Not much 
weight gain but much safer/ stronger. 

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 10, 2014, at 15:01, Flesner via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> At 02:25 PM 9/10/2014, you wrote:
>> What Sparky doesn't mention is that in trying to "keep it light," he lost
>> his rudder because the tubing he and Murray used to fabricate the rudder
>> pedals broke at a critical moment when he was caught by a gust on
>> landing.
> +++
> 
> I had my right pedal on the pilots side break several years ago and cautioned 
> the KR community to reinforce the pedals with a gusset at the 90 degree weld 
> on the horizontal to vertical tube.  Mine is the standard RR supplied pedals. 
>  The right pedal is susceptible to the greatest amount of flexing from the 
> pilots right pedal to the cable attach on the right side of the cockpit.
> 
> Larry Flesner 
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KR> All gone.

[Steve G.]

The last gathering KR just departed Chino. Jack Daugherty is headed back to 
Oklahoma after a little head work on his engine. 

Interestingly, jacks KR has an 1834cc VW. That's quite a trek with a smaller 
engine. 

Steve Glover

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KR> Antennae

[Steve G.]

Uh, that's toroids.  I guess the voice activated email doesn't know that one.

Steve Glover

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> On Sep 8, 2014, at 14:31, "Steve G. via KRnet"  
> wrote:
> 
> Somebody left their antenna in the hanger. Whoever it was did not do the 
> other and where the tour Roy's are installed. Please let me know who it so I 
> can get it to you. If you like I can finish setting it up.
> 
> Steve Glover
> 
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KR> Antennae

[Steve G.]

Somebody left their antenna in the hanger. Whoever it was did not do the other 
and where the tour Roy's are installed. Please let me know who it so I can get 
it to you. If you like I can finish setting it up.

Steve Glover

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KR> They're off!

[Steve G.]

Everyone left this morning at first light before the tower open. What a fine 
bunch of KR's we had here this year. Jack Daugherty is the last to leave but he 
will stay a couple days due to an engine problem.  Collin Hales is headed to 
the Reno air races to continue his adventure

I think we had a great time. The usual camaraderie and some educational 
workshops. Joe Horvaths from RevMaster Aviation gave a presentation on the new 
R2300 engine. If you have the Revflow carburetor they just came out with a 
stepped needle. It is said to even out the operation of the carburetor. 

Another one for the record books. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

KR> ./ Update..

[Steve G.]

First KR to arrive, Jack Daugherty. !

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2014, at 14:21, Rob Schmitt via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Rob Schmitt, Terry Chizek, and Paul Russell have made it to Jeff's.
> 
> My Kr is running fine considering the altitude.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Flesner via KRnet  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I just got off the phone with Mark Langford and he has his problem resolved 
>> and intends to head to California, making it to the first fuel stop this 
>> evening.  Good luck Mark.
>> 
>> Joe made it to the second fuel stop and hopes to be in Los Alamos this 
>> evening.  Winds were so bad for Joe he had to shut off the engine and hand 
>> pull the KR to the fuel pump.  I checked the weather history at that stop 
>> and winds had continuos steady winds of 25+ /gusts to 38 mph .  Glad it 
>> worked out.
>> 
>> Larry Flesner
>> 
>> 
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KR> Nvaero

[Steve G.]

You know. I don't think we want you as a builder. I will be refunding you money 
and be canceling your order. 

Steve Glover

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> On Aug 29, 2014, at 10:51, Kyle Gonterwitz via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I ordered KR2s plans from nvaero about three weeks ago, paid, and have
> heard nothing back yet.  My order status is "waiting to be fulfilled".
> 
> Please advise if this was the appropriate way to obtain official plans and
> if this is a  trustworthy company.  How long should I expect to wait for a
> response or order fulfillment before I contact my attorney general?
> 
> Kyle
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KR> VICTORY!

[Steve G.]

Netter's,

It has been a tough battle but we have prevailed with the county. We are good 
to go for camping at the airport park area. I am on my way to pick up the 
approval permit now.

Woo hoo!

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

KR> Gathering Awards

[Steve G.]

Netter's,



The 2014 KR Gathering awards are now on the website at
http://krgathering.com/proshop.htm for those interested.  I'm still not
happy with the thread choice and details on the shirts but we are getting
closer. 



Regards,



Steve Glover

KR> Hotel Reservations

[Steve G.]

If you have not made your hotel reservations for the gathering you should do so 
before the end of this week. The hotel is cutting off our block rate by Friday.

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

KR> FW: Gathering Workshops

[Steve G.]

Netter's,



The registration form is now online for the workshops at the
www.krgathering.com website.  If you would like hands on experience in one
of the areas listed we need to have you sign up.  There is a fee for each
workshops for materials. In two of the three workshops you will actually be
taking parts home with you. 



We still have a couple spots left for forum or workshop ideas.  If there is
anyone interested in giving a forum please let me know. We do have scales if
anyone is in need of a new weight and balance also. 



Lastly, we could use another volunteer or two for various items. Nothing
that would take too much of your time at the event. We also need one more
person to assist in judging the aircraft. 



Thanks!

Steve Glover

KR> One stick or two - Example online

[Steve G.]

Netter's,

I uploaded a photo to our website www.nvaero.com of our new dual stick
assembly.  We have had it for awhile but I haven't been able to spend much
time at home or working on the website.  

With Gathering duties and my real job keeping me away much of the time,
there isn't much time for anything else except filling parts orders or
working on my house. I have two nose gear assemblies and Chris Pryce's main
gear we are trying to finish up and a few other odds and ends.  Not much
sleep for me... :)

Steve Glover

KR> Gathering

[Steve G.]

Hello Ray and Netter's,

We were wondering how to address this.  I wasn't sure anyone would be
interested in this type of option but I am more than willing to accommodate.
Our goal for this year's Gathering is to have as much "Hands on" experience
as possible.  I believe we have some great stuff planned and should be a
great time. In addition to the listed Fly-In Schedule on the KRGathering.com
web page, we do have scales here if anyone is in need, or wants to do a
fresh weight and balance. 

If each person in the group would like to build their own grounding buss I
can have the needed materials on hand and ready. We are still planning our
fiberglass workshop but if anyone is in need of a specific part or has an
idea of what they would like to make we can take a look and see if it
feasible. Even if it is making some small practice parts this should be
worthwhile. The same goes for the antennae workshop. If anyone is at that
point where they want to learn how, or needs one of their own we can do the
logistics on parts and supplies. This is a prime opportunity to get help on
some of the unknowns for builders and be able to take something home with
you. 

With the rudder pedal retrofit forum we could convert to a workshop and have
the parts ready to go for assembly and maybe some light fabrication as well.

We haven't received much response in the way of volunteers for judging KR's
or forum presentation. We certainly could use the help.  Please let me know
if you are willing to assist in any area from registration, setting out
food, forums, or judging.  Thanks!

I like the idea of doing the continental breakfast and lunch on Friday and
Saturday.  I am willing to set this and the workshops up if we have enough
interest. Anyone willing to participate in these items for a reasonable fee
please let me know by the end of the weekend please.  I will calculate what
I think it will take material and food wise and throw a number out there. If
it seems there is enough interest I will create a separate workshop
registration page which will also have a breakfast/ lunch option with a
paypal option so I can pick up supplies and have it ready to go.

What say Ye???

Regards,
Steve 
Glover


Hey Steve,
I did finally register and I am looking forward to coming out to Chino.  My
only other trip in that area was a 5 hour layover in L.A.  So, this will be
all new.
Just saw the agenda as to what you have proposed for the Gathering.  I have
several comments.
1.  Thank you for making most of the seminars "hands on".  I find those so
much more informative and useful than a lecture.  Please let me know what
the cost of the materials will be for the seminars.  I don't expect you guys
to actually have to buy materials for me to have and I intend to attend all
of them.  So to be clear, this means I will be leaving with an actual
grounding buss that is designed specifically for the KR2S and that I can
just bolt into my project?
2. As for the fiberglassing seminar, I still consider myself a newbie but I
have been doing some glassing on a 66' Corvair coupe.  And I have been
surprised at how easy it is and how well it has worked out.  Of course, it's
for a car so I didn't care about weight.  So I look forward to learning how
to fiberglass properly on my KR2S.  And I know all of my supplies have not
been cheap but that's probably because I wasted a lot.
hopefully you'll show me how to stop doing that.
3. The tour Saturday morning should be a blast.  Very much look forward to
that.  Will there be enough seats to accommodate people who fly in via
Southwest?  Can you see if the local FBO might make you a deal on a rental
and you just charge anybody interested (I am) what the seat costs?  if not,
are there two other guys coming who might want to split a rental with me?
4.  I even really want to make my own antenna.  And I can take it home with
me and use it?  Too cool.

No offense to Larry, but this might be the best Gathering I've attended.
And I'm sending this to the KRnet because of the following.

May I make a suggestion?  I've been to four separate Corvair colleges and I
have had a great time at all of them.  They were all hands on all the time.
Even when all I did was help someone else I still had fun - getting
experience and knowledge.  One of the things they did was have a fee up
front for whatever the costs were - primarily food.  All the other stuff WW
just sold flat out.  And I sure you will be selling whatever items you carry
to whoever wants them.  At least it'll save the shipping cost.
And in looking at what you are proposing, I know there is a cost for the
materials you will need to buy that you will be giving out.  I don't have a
problem paying for that but I didn't see the fee anywhere.  However, I do
ask that you consider setting up the breakfast and lunches as part of the
cost just like at the Corvair colleges.  That way no one doesn't have to
really stop what they're doing.  No one will have to leave the

KR> KR Gathering Registration is Online!

[Steve G.]

Ok.  After a few tweaks it seems all is well and I am receiving registration
confirmations.  Please commence the registration.  If I have you on the list
but you did not register, please do so if you are attending the banquet or
want hats/ shirts.



www.KRGathering.com



Thanks!



Steve

KR> KR 2014 Gathering Registration

[Steve G.]

I finally have a functional registration page.  If you plan on attending the
2014 KR Gathering please register as soon as possible.  It would be greatly
appreciated.  After registering.  Check back on the site to ensure your name
appears on the spreadsheet.  This part has to be updated manually.  If you
are not there after a few days please let me know.



The site is still not complete as I have been buried with my day job. I will
have photos of the shirts and hats as soon as I am able.



Thanks



Steve Glover

KR> 2014 Gathering

[Steve G.]

They do not have a shuttle. 

KR> KR Forum-gear placement

[Steve G.]

The TD version still has the straight leading edge and rear taper. Tri gear is 
tapered on both sides. 

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 12:12, Mark Jones via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message - 
>> The Diehl gear has two separate leg assemblies for conventional or
>> tricycle. The tricycle gear legs have angles on both sides. The
>> conventional gear legs are straight on one side.
>> 
>> Chris Pryce
> 
> I was going to dispute this statement since I went to nvAero web site and 
> looked at the Diehl landing gear there now for sale and it is only tapered on 
> one side. But, then I pulled out my construction photos from back when I was 
> installing my gear and back then the tri-gear mains were tapered on both 
> sides and followed the shape of the aluminum mounting brackets exactly. It 
> appears that today the same mains are used for both type gear. Both Larry 
> Howell and Chris are correct. Regardless of which type leg you actually have, 
> on either set up, the angled side must be inward against the bracket flange.
> 
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Stevens Point, WI
> E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net
> Web: www.flykr2s.com
> 
> 
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KR> (no subject)

[Steve G.]

We have the videos at www.nvaero.com

Steve Glover

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2014, at 6:15, "Teate, Stephen via KRnet"  
> wrote:
> 
> "Hi guys can anyone tell me if the Diehl wing skins for a 2 will fit an S? I 
> may have a chance at some with other parts thanks Mark"
> 
> 
> They work just fine. If possible get the instructions and even the video, yes 
> video if the original owner still has them. If not let me know and I will see 
> if I can find mine. If you don't have any experience with them it is 
> important that you really study the instructions. I made a mistake on mine by 
> not removing enough of my aft spar. I should have noticed it during a test 
> fit but thought it was good. The result was more filler than I would have 
> needed if done properly and more time spent sanding. If you don't know 
> already you will have plenty of that!
> 
> Stephen Teate
> Paradise, Texas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. 
> If you are not an intended recipient, you should delete this message. 
> Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized, and any disclosure, 
> copying, distribution or action taken or omitted in reliance on it is 
> prohibited 
> and may be unlawful. 
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KR> KR Gathering 2014 Update!

[Steve G.]

Ok, it seems that copy and paste is not working.  I have had offers of
fixing the submit button on the page to send me the info.  I found that the
page was made in Front Page or Pagemaker.  I may have an old copy somewhere
so will try that first. If not I will be soliciting the help from those who
offered.  Thank you for stepping up! :)

I have received some registration emails and will add you to the list.
Other than those who specifically listed their preferences, I didn't get
specifics from anyone. I will be in touch with a few of you today.

Thanks for your patience while I muddle through this.

Steve Glover

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 153

[Steve Bray]

All those parts are sold and have been for a while, sorry. That was a
repeat on the for sale post and I don't know why. Wish I had had that much
interest then.

> I think I found a way to trim the content of the old message but it's a
> lot more trouble now for some reason.
>
>
>
>

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 149

[Steve Bray]

The message I posted about KR parts was posted March 22. I have no Idea why
it showed up again.
 I sold everything to one person. he may be willing to sell the parts or
part of the parts. I haven't ask him so I'm not giveing his name but will
forward all inquiries to him.
 I hope this entire KR message isn't attached to my reply but I don't see a
way to clean it up.
Steve


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>1. Re:  Condition Inspection (brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com)
>2. Re:  Wing Dihedral-AS5046_KR2S (Mark Langford)
>3.  K R Parts (rsbray)
>4. Re:  K R Parts (Phillip Matheson)
>5. Re:  K R Parts (samantha toner)
>6.  Weight & Balance (Sid Wood)
>7. Re:  Weight & Balance (=?utf-8?B?cHBhdWx2c2tAYW9sLmNvbQ==?=)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:38:06 -0700
> From: 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Subject: Re: KR> Condition Inspection
> Message-ID:
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>
> As already answered, any A can do the condition inspection.  I am just
> an A and I have done many condition inspections for my planes that I
> don't have the repairman cert for and for others.
>
> One other common question that comes up a lot and many people don't
> understand is that when you have an experimental that you do not have
> the repairman cert on you can still do all of the maintenance and
> alterations yourself without having to get an A or IA to sign it off.
>
> It is surprising how many people have it in their head that they don't
> want to buy an experimental that somebody else built because they think
> they will spend a lot to have somebody else do the maintenance.  I have
> done condition inspections on others' experimentals for $200-$500
> depending on the complexity of the plane with the owner removing the
> cowl, inspection plates, etc.  It really is a small savings when you do
> them yourself and the added benefit of a second set of experienced eyes
> is worth the small cost in my view.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: KR> Condition Inspection
> From: Russell Barnett via KRnet 
> Date: Tue, June 10, 2014 11:41 am
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
>
> Can a condition inspection be done by an A or does it have to
> be an IA?
> Thanks
> Russ
> N8227 KR-2
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:01:05 -0500
> From: "Mark Langford" 
> To: ,  "KRnet" 
> Subject: Re: KR> Wing Dihedral-AS5046_KR2S
> Message-ID: <83C5B9DAB31D4A45A277EBEE3448CD5D at atgd620>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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>
> Joe Cruz wrote:
>
> >Is more dihedral a more advantage in my case or not?
>
> N56ML is just a little too willing to drift off center and start a slow
> roll
> to either left or right, and most other KR pilots I've talked to tell me
> theirs is the same.  Willie Wilson told me he'd never flown one that didn't
> exhibit that behavior, but mine was better than any other he'd flown in
> that
> regard.  So I've decided my next plane will have more dihedral. Your KR is
> a
> different animal, but a little more dihedral probably wouldn't hurt it
> either...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website at http://www.N56ML.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 20:13:48 -0500
> From: rsbray 
> To: krnet at list.krnet.org
> Subject: KR> K R Parts
> Message-ID: <6DA525AA-9593-4DEA-AEAC-F273EB0FED3E at

KR> C-65 for sale.

[Steve Bray via KRnet]

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee...PLEASE REMOVE! All email addresses before you forward and 
use the B.C.C.






I heard about this today and thought someone out there might be 
interested.Theres a man in Dyersburg Tn. that has a C65 with some logs but no 
accessories and880 hrs from a Champ for $1200. His name is Joe McMillen, 
901-481-6219, jmcmillan at cable1.net
 A VW conversion will cost more than that. An IA told me you can stamp EX on 
the #plate and BINGO, you've got an experimental engine. I think I would check 
that out further before I did that.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee...PLEASE REMOVE! All email addresses before you forward and 
use the B.C.C.  
   

KR> K R Parts

[Steve Bray]

I bought a lot of stuff today to get something I needed.
One boat with center spar.
Two wings with good spar and what I think are pre-make skins.
Two tails and on after cover.
A set of flaps.
Two pre-made fuel tanks, header.
A canopy and frame.
All this stuff needs repair. 
The wing skins will have to be removed and reattached.
There is a lot of hardware here. The tanks, canopy, spars and flaps can be used 
for sure 
and the boat looks pretty good.
 If you have any use for this stuff please call or write.
I have around $300 and a day invested. I?ll sell, trade or make some kind of 
deal.
 I don?t want to scrap or burn this stuff if you can use it.
Steve Bray, Jackson, Tn.
731-444-0163.Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee...PLEASE REMOVE! All email addresses before you forward and 
use the B.C.C. 

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 70

[Steve Bray]

0200 Motor mount.I'm in need of a motor mount, 0200 to KR2I know I can buy one 
and I know I can make one but if anyone has one their not going to use I can.
Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee

KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 1, Issue 79

[Steve Bray]

Still cant get Brian's emailswhat am I doing wrong ?

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee...PLEASE REMOVE! All email addresses before you forward and 
use the B.C.C.

KR> KR Parts for Sale

[Steve and Janet Henderson]

Hello,

I have not been on this list for a few years, but I am back to sell some 
parts that I have. I will be posting a web page tomorrow with pictures 
of what I have for sale, and I have included a list of some of the parts 
for sale below. I have more parts in my shed, and will be getting more 
out this weekend and adding it to the web page, assuming the weather 
doesn't get bad. Most of these parts are new and still in the box. I 
have sold the plane and engine.

Diehl landing gear for tail dragger
Diehl upper and lower fairings for landing gear
Diehl wheel pants
Tail wheel spring
Tail wheel assembly with wheel
KR stick assembly
VW engine stand
Rudder pedals with cylinders for hydraulic brakes
Wing attach fittings
Wheels and tires
Hydraulic Brakes
Axles


Thanks,
Steve Henderson
St. Louis, MO
(636) 465-3185

KR> Rotec

[STEVE bennett]

Just a small note, the Rotec carb, is not a fuel injection system, nor fuel 
injector when compared to what a modern day automotive fuel injection system 
is.  It is a knock off of the Ellison series of carburetors.  Their web site 
does say " fuel injection", if you read down the page a bit.  When Monnett came 
out with his AeroCarb, a POSA knock off, is killed the sales of the EFS-2, so 
Ben Ellison ceased production of that particular carb.  Ellison Fluid Systems 
still manufacutrers all the other carbs.

http://www.rotecradialengines.com/TBI/TBI.htm

http://ellison-fluid-systems.com/injectors.shtml

Steve Bennett

KR> VW crank failures

[STEVE bennett]

Hi Mark, if your referring to a VW  hub/crank failure from WI, the only one I 
am aware of this late summer  is Bret T.  If so, it is a 2180 from a competitor 
of ours that still uses a shrink fit hub on stroked engines.  The engine is 
currently in our shop being rebuilt with an American Forged and Machined 
crankshaft and our Force One Prop Hub and Main Bearing Assembly.  Had all of 
about 50 hours on it.  We sent the crank out to METCO (a metal testing lab) to 
see what it was made of and if it was a forging or not.  The material is E4340 
and it is a forged crankshaft.  The material had a lot of extra sulfpher in it 
as well as many other impurities. It was a classic break on a stroker 
crankshaft using a shrink fit hub.  Started at back of small keyway, went 
around the crank until it met the back of the hole where the 20mm x 1.5 thread 
bottoms out. The subject crankshaft is made By/for CB Performance and this one 
was just a standard 8 dowel 82mm automotive crankshaft.
A little 1835 or 1915 does 80 some ft lbs of torque.  The 2180 generates 125 
ish lbs of torque.  So when using a shrink fit hub on a stroker crankshaft, the 
engine has to transmit that torque through the same small area on the nose of 
the crankshaft, just about a 50% increase in torqe!!  Works some times but not 
always!  On the stock 69mm crankshaft, the shrink fit hub or tapered short hub 
works very well.  I don't really know of any failures unless one has a prop 
strike, buddy says dial the prop hub, a new prop is installed and then they go 
fly. And then the crankshaft breaks because the crack was already started.  The 
other scenario of failure is if the hubs are over torqued.  The big bolt 20mm x 
1.5 really only needs about 40 lbs to key all in place as its in compression, 
working just like the prop bolts do.
Sincerelyh
Steve Bennett

ifly...@msn.com

KR> (no subject)

[STEVE bennett]

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=7026G
Steve Bennett
Great Plains Aircraft
ifly...@msn.com

KR> (no subject)

[STEVE bennett]

IDENTIFICATION
  Regis#: 7026GMake/Model: EXP   Description: KR-2
  Date: 10/06/2011 Time: 1710

  Event Type: Accident   Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: NMissing: N
  Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
  City: WYTHEVILLE   State: VA   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
  AIRCRAFT CRASHED IN A FIELD NEAR THE AIRPORT, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS 
  FATALLY INJURED, WYTHEVILLE, VA

INJURY DATA  Total Fatal:   1
 # Crew:   1 Fat:   1 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Pass:   0 Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Grnd: Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:

WEATHER: 061655Z AUTO 10006KT 10SM CLR 21/11 A3049

OTHER DATA
  Activity: Unknown  Phase: Unknown  Operation: OTHER


  FAA FSDO: RICHMOND, VA  (EA21)  Entry date: 10/07/2011 



Steve Bennett

ifly...@msn.com

KR> Missing??

[Steve Glover]

I gave it to Chris, the airport mgr.  You left it in the hangar.  
--Original Message--
From: Gary Robison
Sender: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
To: KR Net
ReplyTo: KR Net
Subject: KR> Missing??
Sent: Sep 20, 2011 20:08

Did anyone happen to see-pickup my bill of materials and invoice at the 
hangar?

Gary 


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KR> Flight suits

[Steve Bray]

I plan to bring a dozen flight suits to the Gathering for sale .I know I 
dropped the ball in Jan. on them but this looks like it will work.I should have 
four 32L's and one each 42R, 36S, 36R, 40S, 44R, 44L 46R, and 48L.Price will be 
$35 or less depending on condition, I haven't seen them yet.For those that I've 
talked to in Jan. and are not going to make the Gathering email me and we will 
try to work something out.

Steve Bray
Jackson, Tennessee

KR> static rpm

[STEVE bennett]

If your pulling 28 something MP at WOT, one would suspect that the prop is 
limiting the engine from turning a higher rpm.  

On another subject, typically Warp Drive props and the VW engine have not made 
for a great long term marriage.

Steve Bennett

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 216

[Steve Rice]

I've been thinking, this plane can NEVER fly again, but this does pose a
great opprotunity, if someone is interested. Even though the plane is junk,
if someone wanted to do a wing load test to destruction, this would a a
great plane to do it with. It is in horrible shape, but could still give
some good information. If anyone would like to do this, I will gladly give
you the plane to destroy. Just throwing out the idea.
steve...@gmail.com

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>   2. Re:  KR-1 (Larry Flesner)
>   3. Re:  KR-1 (Marty Martin)
>   4. Re:  KR-1 (David Rayburn)
>   5.  Judges (Bob Glidden)
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Steve Rice <steve...@gmail.com>
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:06:41 -0700
> Subject: KR> KR-1
> Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever. It was
> however,
> in far worse shape than I had thought that it was. I firgure that it is
> repairable, but I am in the process of calculating how much time and money
> it will take. Upon investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
> main center spar has the grain running horizontal. Looking at the manual,
> it
> shows that the grain is to be verticle. I am just learning about wood
> structure airplanes, so help here is REALLY needed. There are some big RED
> flags that I see in the construction of this plane. Am I correct in
> thinking
> that having the sheer web grain in the wrong direction is a really bad
> thing? I have some grave concerns now about restoring this plane.
> Thanks for any help
> steve...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Have a good day -- Steve
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Larry Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:07:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1
> At 11:06 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>> Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever.  Upon
>> investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
>> main center spar has the grain running horizontal.
>>
> ++**++**
> ++**+
>
> That was a good spot.  I'm not sure how many folks would have caught that
> error.  Is the center section spar installed in the fuselage already?  Have
> the spars run through a planer and remove the ply, check the woodwork and
> rebuild.
>
> If you have "grave concerns"about the airplane you may never really be
> comfortable with it.  Getting a second or third opinion after a close
> inspection may change your mind or you may want to spend your time on a
> project more to your liking.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Marty Martin <martygmar...@gmail.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:48:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1
> Look to see just what the top and bottom spar material is.  As long as it
> is
> Stica Spruce or Clear Doug Fur.  You will be fine.  You can use a power
> hand
> planner and remove the web on both sides.  As l have done this very same
> thing but only to one side and just at the end.  So I just used a power
> hand
> planner and removed the web.  The smaller the cut the more control you
> have.  Don't get in a hurry.
>
> Of coarse, this is only the case as long as any other webbing on the
> project
> (fuselage) is correct.  don't think  you can correct the fuselage by
> glassing it.  That is just no good and it adds unneeded weight.  So if the
> fuselage is wrong, it will be good fire wood this winter.  But check out
> any
> other installed webbing to see that it is installed correctly before
> thinking you have something that can be worked.
>
> Marty Martin
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Larry Flesner
> <fles...@frontier.com>wrote:
>
> > At 11:06 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote:
> > >Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever.  Upon
> > >investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
> > >main center spar has the grain running horizont

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 216

[Steve Rice]

I did some research on the N number. Apparently the plane was built in '75,
test flown and then NOTHING ever since. I knew that my firend had it, I had
seen it several years ago, while it was covered. HOWEVER, apparently at
somepoint it was left uncovered. Too much of the wood is rotted out.
Propable could have been fixed, but after seing that the plane was built
wrong to begin with, I feel that there is no reason to spend time fixing a
basket case. The plane was free, so I am at no loss. If someone wants the
landing gear or engine, they are welcome to come get it. I could pull that
stuff off and ship it, but the cost of shipping would probably be more than
the value of the parts. Thanks to all for your helpful thoughts and
suggestions. I I am afraid that this is one plane that will be
scraped...never to flown again...its just not safe.

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>   4. Re:  KR-1 (David Rayburn)
>   5.  Judges (Bob Glidden)
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Steve Rice <steve...@gmail.com>
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:06:41 -0700
> Subject: KR> KR-1
> Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever. It was
> however,
> in far worse shape than I had thought that it was. I firgure that it is
> repairable, but I am in the process of calculating how much time and money
> it will take. Upon investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
> main center spar has the grain running horizontal. Looking at the manual,
> it
> shows that the grain is to be verticle. I am just learning about wood
> structure airplanes, so help here is REALLY needed. There are some big RED
> flags that I see in the construction of this plane. Am I correct in
> thinking
> that having the sheer web grain in the wrong direction is a really bad
> thing? I have some grave concerns now about restoring this plane.
> Thanks for any help
> steve...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Have a good day -- Steve
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Larry Flesner <fles...@frontier.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:07:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1
> At 11:06 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote:
>
>> Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever.  Upon
>> investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
>> main center spar has the grain running horizontal.
>>
> ++**++**
> ++**+
>
> That was a good spot.  I'm not sure how many folks would have caught that
> error.  Is the center section spar installed in the fuselage already?  Have
> the spars run through a planer and remove the ply, check the woodwork and
> rebuild.
>
> If you have "grave concerns"about the airplane you may never really be
> comfortable with it.  Getting a second or third opinion after a close
> inspection may change your mind or you may want to spend your time on a
> project more to your liking.
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Marty Martin <martygmar...@gmail.com>
> To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:48:26 -0700
> Subject: Re: KR> KR-1
> Look to see just what the top and bottom spar material is.  As long as it
> is
> Stica Spruce or Clear Doug Fur.  You will be fine.  You can use a power
> hand
> planner and remove the web on both sides.  As l have done this very same
> thing but only to one side and just at the end.  So I just used a power
> hand
> planner and removed the web.  The smaller the cut the more control you
> have.  Don't get in a hurry.
>
> Of coarse, this is only the case as long as any other webbing on the
> project
> (fuselage) is correct.  don't think  you can correct the fuselage by
> glassing it.  That is just no good and it adds unneeded weight.  So if the
> fuselage is wrong, it will be good fire wood this winter.  But check out
> any
> other installed webbing to see that it is installed correctly 

KR> KR-1

[Steve Rice]

Ok, I got the KR-1 form a friend that had it stored forever. It was however,
in far worse shape than I had thought that it was. I firgure that it is
repairable, but I am in the process of calculating how much time and money
it will take. Upon investigation, I discovered that the sheer web of the
main center spar has the grain running horizontal. Looking at the manual, it
shows that the grain is to be verticle. I am just learning about wood
structure airplanes, so help here is REALLY needed. There are some big RED
flags that I see in the construction of this plane. Am I correct in thinking
that having the sheer web grain in the wrong direction is a really bad
thing? I have some grave concerns now about restoring this plane.
Thanks for any help
steve...@gmail.com

-- 
Have a good day -- Steve

KR> KR incident minor

[STEVE bennett]

IDENTIFICATION
  Regis#: 7786LMake/Model: EXP   Description: KR2
  Date: 05/14/2011 Time: 1800

  Event Type: Incident   Highest Injury: None Mid Air: NMissing: N
  Damage: Minor

LOCATION
  City: OCEANO   State: CA   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
  AIRCRAFT ON LANDING, VEERED OFF THE SIDE OF THE RUNWAY AND THE NOSE GEAR 
  COLLAPSED, OCEANO, CA

INJURY DATA  Total Fatal:   0
 # Crew:   1 Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Pass:   0 Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Grnd: Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:

WEATHER: NOT REPORTED

OTHER DATA
  Activity: Pleasure  Phase: Landing  Operation: OTHER


  FAA FSDO: SAN JOSE, CA  (WP15)  Entry date: 05/16/2011 




Steve Bennett
Great Plains Aircraft
ifly...@msn.com

KR> Gascolators

[STEVE bennett]

Not all gascolators are not rated for fuel pressure, as many are gravity feed 
only. Aircraft Spruce carries 3 or 4 that are rated to handle fuel presssure.  
They usually screw together and have a fuel rated "O" ring in the top.

Steve Bennett
Great Plains Aircraft
ifly...@msn.com

KR> (no subject)

[STEVE bennett]

It has done nothing but rain since yesterday afternoon here in FL.  Today we 
had a severe storm, possibly a F1 tornado that came through the airport.  Many 
tent booths down, all of Zenith aircraft destroyed, two AirCams destroyed and 
about 20 homebuilts flipped over and most likely destroyed.  Numerous campers 
damaged, trees and limbs down everywhere.  On the north side of our bidg A, 
Airparts tent and ECI tent was blown away.  Jimmy Tubbs from ECI suffered a 
head injury from a flying tent pole.  WW Corvair tent was down, food tents 
down, the GEICO  ins salesman was injured also.  Bill Clapp and company are ok. 
 Bldg A which we are in shook a little during the wind and hail.  Some roof 
vents were removed an let lots of rain in.  The police declared it a disaster 
area and closed down all the blgs and did not let any other attendees in after 
4 pm.  Sun and Fun's web site will have details but I am sure you can find a 
lot more photos and info elsewhere on the web.  
Safe in FL.

Steve Bennett

Great Plains Aircraft

ifly...@msn.com

KR> KR2 accident

[STEVE bennett]

  Damage: Destroyed

LOCATION
  City: LUDLOW   State: CA   Country: US

DESCRIPTION
  AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, THE 1 PERSON ON BOARD WAS 
  FATALLY INJURED, AIRCRAFT WAS THE SUBJECT OF AN ALERT NOTICE, WRECKAGE 
  LOCATED 2 MILES FROM HECTOR NEAR LUDLOW, CA

INJURY DATA  Total Fatal:   1
 # Crew:   1 Fat:   1 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Pass:   0 Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:
 # Grnd: Fat:   0 Ser:   0 Min:   0 Unk:


OTHER DATA
  Activity: Pleasure  Phase: Unknown  Operation: OTHER


  FAA FSDO: RIVERSIDE, CA  (WP21) Entry date: 03/10/2011 

Preliminary data on KR2 crash.

Steve Bennett

ifly...@msn.com

KR> sliding canopy

[Steve Glover]

Netters, 

 have a KR2 with a Revmaster 2100, widened 2", fixed tail dragger set up as a 
single seater, and has a sliding canopy. Aluminum fixed gear.  It is a flying 
plane and is for sale for $11,500 to the right person. I can send pics next 
week and will have a full spec sheet. I am going through the plane now checking 
it over. 

Steve Glover 

--Original Message--
From: Craig Williams
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To: KR Net
ReplyTo: KR Net
Subject: KR> sliding canopy
Sent: Feb 25, 2011 20:49

Anyone done a sliding canopy?  Love to see some pics.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com




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KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

[Steve Glover]

I had help moving out of Corona from Mr Incredible. :)

--Original Message--
From: Lee Van Dyke
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To: KR Net
ReplyTo: KR Net
Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version
Sent: Feb 12, 2011 08:40


-Original Message-

I'm sure Steve will chime in on that
when California wakes up.

-END-

How did you do with the move Steve?  Did you have any help?  just kidding, 
glad to see that RR is getting you some plans to sell.  How about the molds? 
how are they doing?

Lee Van Dyke 


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KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

[Steve Glover]

By the way. That is from any legitsmate source, to include RR. 

Steve
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-Original Message-
From: "joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com" <joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com>
Sender: krnet-boun...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:57:25 
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: Fw: RE: KR> KR2 Plans - nV Aero Version

OK Steve - That is a mouth full but does this mean that no plans are currently 
avaiable? (and would not be until an agreement is reached?)Just trying to get 
the important part to the average guy.Hope things are getting better for 
you.Joe Horton



-Original Message-

I'm sure Steve will chime in on that 
when California wakes up.

-END-


Good Morning Netter's,

I have been reluctant to address this as I didn't want create a big uproar
on the net.  Here's the deal.  Our original agreement with RR was we would
distribute plans to ensure they would be delivered in a timely manner and
that there was some form of direct contact for builders.  Initially we
didn't get a break and it was costing us.  Eventually we were getting a
little break so with that and shipping we could cover our costs and make
about 7 - 10 bucks.  Toward the end of the year a couple things occurred.

A.  Our hangar was flooded out at Corona with about 9' of water.  Ultimately
we couldn't get back in for 3 weeks to get tings cleaned up and moved out.
We relocated to Chino where we do not have to be concerned with flooding
again and have been working long hours to build out the facility.  In
addition we are building/ rebuilding tooling, making parts for two large and
several small orders and are attempting to get organized and productive
again.

B.  Some things transpired while Jeanette was away for the holidays that
changed plans availability.  I have been in touch with her and we are
working on a resolution.  It may be that we will now hold the plans and
production rights to facilitate easier production and delivery.  We should
have all this worked out soon.  There will be some eventual changes if/ when
this occurs.  As of now KR-2S plans and builders manuals are shipped with a
complete set of KR-2 plans and drawings as well.  This will no longer be the
case as the plans and builders manual will be updated and consolidated to
include only either the -2 or 2S drawings, whichever is applicable.


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KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

[Steve Glover]

And KR-1 that is at EAA OSH. 
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-Original Message-
From: Virgil Salisbury 
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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 22:46:26 
To: KRnet
Reply-To: KRnet 
Subject: Re: KR> To Turbo or not to Turbo that is the Question

 Ken Rand turboed his KR-2, Virg


 On 1/2/2011 12:46 PM, Jeff Scott wrote:
> Joe, You have to know that you aren't the first to go down this path.  I 
> would suggest that you take a good look at Orma Robbins web 
> site, then do a search in the KRNet 
> Archives for Orma's comments and problems with regards to his turbo 
> installation on his Type 4 engine.  Orma is a long time A/IA, so is far 
> from new at this, but I think eventually, he found that the problems with the 
> turbo on the type 4 were much more than he wanted to deal with.  Your mileage 
> may vary, but you may learn the most by looking at the history and failures 
> of one that has been down that road before. -Jeff ScottN1213W  -- 
> Original Message --
>
>
>


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KR> wings

[STEVE bennett]

I bet one could build a set of wood KR wings, constant cord would be easier, 
but tapered cord doable.  About 8 ribs in outer panel - all wood.  skinned with 
1/6" 45 degree mohogany plywood. GP4 uses similar construction but uses 3/32 45 
degree ply on top and bottom of wings.  It of course has a cruise speed that is 
a little higher than a KR.  Would not be surprised if they would be lighter 
than foam and fiberglass, and a whole lot less sanding.

Steve Bennett
Great Plains Aircraft
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KR> VE layup

[Steve Glover]

The MEKP eats it. It does the same thing to blue foam. 

Steve
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-Original Message-
From: "Dan Heath" <da...@windstream.net>
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List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 12:38:41 
To: 'KRnet'<kr...@mylist.net>
Reply-To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Subject: KR> VE layup

I learned to use plastic sheet when doing a glass layup.  Today, for the
first time, I used that method with Vinyl Ester.  What a mess.  The sheet
reacts to the VE and curls.  I don't recommend this method when using VE.



All but the one large hole in the bottom of the wings are now patched and
the tops of both wings are ready for finish work and painting.  I start leak
testing the tanks today.



Daniel R. Heath

da...@windstream.net

See N64KR at  <http://krbuilder.org/> http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
the pics 

See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN







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