Re: [lace] Looking for books- Celtic Lace
> and all her books are listed on her own web site: > http://www.annmargaretkeller.com/pricing.htm I found the background > of this page a bit overpowering. > Jean in Poole What 'overpowered' me (some Japanese Websites are even more 'colorful') is that this is an Irish Website - - - without *any* mention of Irish Crochet Lace. How sad . . . and I'm not even Irish . . . Toni in Seattle - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Looking for books- Celtic Lace
> http://www.celticcafe.com/Dance/OliveHurley/Irish_Lace.htm > Jean in Poole Now there is *some 'big hair'* (on the little girl dancers) but beautiful !! Toni in Seattle - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] help maybe?(left hand tatter)
The booklet used when I took 1st tatting instructions had both right and left handed tatting. I cannot locate the booklet now, but it was something like "Aunt Ellen"s Tatting"and sold in craft store along with crochet and knitting books nead the counter where hooks, needles and shuttles are sold. It has illustrations of both right and left handed tatting. If you can't find a booklet like this, I suggest scanning illustrations you have and flipping them on the computer. Or sit opposite your teacher and do mirror movements. Louise in Central Virginia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Angela back on line
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >To Whomever Requested Angela Write to Chat Only: > >Why was Angela told she could not simply write to both lists? Steph Peters sent a very clear answer to this question to the list when Angela asked the question. Unlike those in the US, many have to pay per second for downloading messages, and some have limits on the amount of data they can receive. For those who subscribe to both lists, receiving long messages twice is irritating, and cross posting is therefore against the list "rules". Angela came up with a compromise - those who can subscribe to lace-chat (which is where anything without lace content belongs) - even temporarily - will be able to read the reports there. For those who are limited to receiving one list only (perhaps because they download at work) she is willing to forward to those people separately. This is a sensible suggestion from a very sensible Arachne. The choice of receiving such information is up to individuals as to which lists they subscribe to. If you want to receive chat messages, you should subscribe to chat - otherwise there was no point in separating the lists in the first place - the number of duplicate messages (not counting Jean's accidental triplicate [g]) has been rising again lately. Notifications like Angela's at least draw attention to the fact that there is something worth pricking your ears up to - even if it does mean subscribing to both lists for a few days. Traffic on chat isn't *that* heavy at the moment! -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Paris lace
Ruth I know of two authors who have written pattern instruction sets for Paris lace. L. Ceulemans & N. Andries PARIJSE KANT Vol I, II, III 1985-1988 Irma Neyrinck-Van Herck PARIJSE KANT (KANT TE TURNHOUT) no date, multiple volumes. Personally, I think the first is better. But both are sets of loose patterns with photographs and large scale diagrams, somewhat like the Kantcentrum pattern sets, only not in color. There is hardly any language at all in either. Happy hunting, Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Looking for books- Celtic Lace
the bobbins ann keller uses in the first website are beatifully painted. i hit the link for her catalogue website, but there are no pictures of the them available, only descriptions. i haven't seen any like them on any website. it is nice that a little painted design can be just as interesting to look at as the spangles and beads on the contnintals and midlands. i thought the websites were great. if you really want some good celtic designs to use for lace you should look for the celtic design books available for stenciling. they have some great ones. there are zoomorphs, crosses, and many other types of designs. if you make them into a lace piece, the mixture of the colored threads will make beatiful lace. --- Jean Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's reference to Ann Keller's Celtic lace book at least on: > > http://cooledgewebgraphics.com/sherry/bobbinlace.htm > > http://www.celticcafe.com/Dance/OliveHurley/Irish_Lace.htm > > and all her books are listed on her own web site: > > http://www.annmargaretkeller.com/pricing.htm I found the background > of this > page a bit overpowering. > > Jean in Poole > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the > line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] = from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bones for making bobbins
> Hi, > > According to David Springette's Bobbin Turning book, the back leg thigh bone > of a beef animal, the older the better, is best. He suggests that you buy > the bone blanks already cleaned and prepared.But he does give > instructions on how to cook in a pressure cooker and go about preparing the > bone. He goes into a lot of detail on turning bone bobbins and different > kinds of decorations for them. This book is a very good instruction and > information book on turning all kinds of wood and bone and horn, etc. I > found that the Dremel lathe is worthless for turning bobbins. Get a little > larger lathe such as the one made by the Klein's in Oregon. They also sell > (I'm not sure if they make them) the smaller size tools for turning the > bobbins. It's been a long, long time since I played with trying to turn > bobbins. I no longer know names or addresses so please don't ask. > > Patsy A. Goodman > > - Original Message - > > > << What sort of bone would one use to make bobbins from? Regular beef > bones, > > or maybe lamb since the leg bone is convenient? Would it work on a dremel > > lathe? > > >> > > > > > > It seems logical to me that the true world expert on bone bobbins is David > > Springett, and he may give source recommendations for the bones in his > book, > > "Turning Lace Bobbins". The book is available in the U.S. from Holly Van > Sciver > > at $30, and in the U.K. from Linda Fountain for about 13 pounds. > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Angela back on line
In a message dated 6/19/03 2:49:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As requested, I will send the Mountain Adventure to Lace-Chat only and anyone else on Lace who wants it separately. >> --- To Whomever Requested Angela Write to Chat Only: Why was Angela told she could not simply write to both lists? Sometimes I wonder we are an International group, and Angela is recognized in many countries as a textile expert. Her writings can be found in books she has authored and in numerous needlework publications. She has been writing and lecturing for a long time, and her account of her travels in Poland stimulated interesting correspondence on Arachne. I realize that Angela's most recent trip was to a place where there is thought to be no lace, but if we understand the cultures of these places, then we understand why there is no lace. Some would think that of no use, but I was prompted by correspondence on this list about four years ago to expand my book collecting focus and research to - and beyond - the Middle East. I am seeking evidence of lace in the traditional costumes of Asia, and I expect to eventually find it - if given enough time. Since the finest of textiles originated in the Orient, I believe we will eventually receive reports of ancient laces being excavated in places we cannot, today, imagine. It is acknowledged that there are many treasures buried in China, but the tombs have not been opened, because of a lack of funds and a lack of Chinese archeologists. Some embroideries that have surfaced are extraordinary and could not have been imagined. Textiles "evaporate" in alien environmental conditions. That does not mean they did not exist. When I went on an embroidery tour of China 20 years ago (a year after it became possible for Americans to travel in China for the first time in decades) I was surprised to see that the Ming Tombs (plural) may well be there, but at the time, only one was open. You can see large mounds where other tombs are located, but can only speculate as to what they might contain. Years ago, a complete body covering (like a body suit) of thin flat square jade stones was excavated in China. It was a burial garment. This toured museums throughout the world. Who would have imagined such a thing? It helps understanding to be exposed to "possibilities" and if Angela went to see a culture that has not been well-studied by the rest of us, she was probably partially motivated by her interest in textiles, costumes, embroidery, beads and lace. What the women in a remote region weave and make to wear is of interest. It ties in with my comments yesterday on the too general subject of "Arab Lace" - and why it does not appear to exist. Continents have shifted, the icecaps of the world expanded and melted, deserts suddenly appeared and conquered great jungles. What was oceans became land. What was land became oceans. We need to understand the lace "have nots" as well as the lace "haves". And then, we need to think of what "might have been" and "may be found". Dearest Angela: Did you wear any lace-trimmed garments during your travels? Obviously, I mean the machine laces that trim our clothes. And, if you did, were they something that could be seen? Any reactions? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Looking for books- Celtic Lace
There's reference to Ann Keller's Celtic lace book at least on: http://cooledgewebgraphics.com/sherry/bobbinlace.htm http://www.celticcafe.com/Dance/OliveHurley/Irish_Lace.htm and all her books are listed on her own web site: http://www.annmargaretkeller.com/pricing.htm I found the background of this page a bit overpowering. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemakers from Beyond the U.S. Coming to IOLI?
Dear Lacemakers, This is not official IOLI business. It is personal, and your participation is optional. I have not heard of any plans similar to what is offered below. I have started to make a list of lacemakers from beyond the U.S. coming to the August IOLI Convention. To date, my list has lacemakers from Germany, Hungary and Scotland. This is very encouraging, because it reinforces the word "International" in the IOLI name. It is interesting to see what classes these lacemakers have selected. If you'd like to be on Jeri's list, please write to me, personally -- not to the 1,000 people on Arachne. Be sure to use the subject line, so I will know it is not spam (junk mail). If you have a friend coming, who is not on Arachne and does not have a computer, it will be fine to send information about her to me. Just explain and allow me to communicate through you. Some people like to keep future travel plans private for security reasons, and I will respect that. The list of teachers coming from other countries is information available to all. And the vendors will probably let their customers know they will be at IOLI (the Sales Room will be wonderful, so plan on hours of happy shopping). I am taking only morning classes and I wish to meet and greet you early in the week. I will be checking into the hotel a day early, and if your travel plans made it necessary for you to come early, please let me know. That way, maybe we can find something special to do. The hotel is isolated from all the things women enjoy when they travel -- it is at the crossroads of several large highways, and the area is not pedestrian-friendly. This offer is about you recognizing a familiar American face in the crowd of approximately 350 lacemakers at the hotel. It is because I appreciate the many lacemakers who have welcomed me in my travels overseas. It is a good time to reciprocate and be sure not to miss a personal conversation with you. It is about having someone you know (at least by name) who is willing to join you if you have an emergency. Last month, I drove to New Jersey to visit and to look at the hotel for my own personal reasons. It appears to be lovely, and the staff was pleasant and helpful in answering questions. If you have any special dietary requirements, be sure that you have given that information to the organizers. Alternative eating facilities are NOT near the hotel. Be sure your hotel reservation has been confirmed. Kind regards, Jeri Ames in Maine USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Angela back on line
My son loaded new anit-virus software for me last weekend and forgot to re-connect the phone line. It has taken me all this time to sort out the spaghetti mess of cables under the workbench to find what had happened. I have to catch up on Digests now, so will not be posting till next week. As requested, I will send the Mountain Adventure to Lace-Chat only and anyone else on Lace who wants it separately. Angela Thompson in hot and sunny Worcestershire UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:ivory or bone?
In a message dated 06/19/2003 12:31:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The dust is quite annoying and very smelly so we always use a mask and air filter to keep the dust under control. >> The dust is not only annoying but is very dangerous. Bone dust will embed itself into the lung tissues and does not dissipate. Anyone planning to turn bone should wear a serious mask. David Springett uses a respirator mask with a fan built in which blows air downward over the face. They are quite expensive costing between $300 and $500 USbut at the very least, wear a dust mask. It is also very advisable to have a dust extraction system behind your lathe which will capture an large portion of the dangerous dust. And while on the subject of turning, many woods can also be toxic so the dust collection/protection is important with wood as well. Vicki in Maryland who has been most fortunate to host the Springetts and benefit from instruction from both in bobbin turning and Beds...and is anxiously awaiting their return next winter! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Sorry
Sorry. Somehow the version of my email I was working on sent itself, plus 2 of the finished one. I only sent one of the finished version. Sorry again. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bones for making bobbins
I love bone bobbins, but the expression of my enthusiasm was curbed by a vegetarian member of my lace class, who will not consider using or collecting any bone items. Until then it hadn't occurred to me that anyone could have an objection to bone in general or even to bone from particular animals. Naturally I respect anyone who holds this view. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bones for making bobbins
I love bone bobbins, but the expression of my enthusiasm was curbed by a vegetarian member of my lace class, who will not consider using or collecting any bone items. Until then it hadn't occurred to me that anyone could have an objection to bone in general or even to bone from particular animals. Naturally I respect anyone's views on this. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Bones for making bobbins
I love bone bobbins, but the expression of my enthusiasm was curbed by a vegetarian member of my lace class, who will not consider using or collecting any bone items. Until then it hadn't occurred to me that anyone could have an objection to bone in general or even to bone from particular animals. Naturally I respect anyone who holds this view. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Bones for making bobbins
In a message dated 6/19/03 11:33:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << What sort of bone would one use to make bobbins from? Regular beef bones, or maybe lamb since the leg bone is convenient? Would it work on a dremel lathe? >> Dear Lacemakers, I have changed the subject line, because the questions asked are getting away from the original conversation about bone bobbins being sold as "ivory". It seems logical to me that the true world expert on bone bobbins is David Springett, and he may give source recommendations for the bones in his book, "Turning Lace Bobbins". The book is available in the U.S. from Holly Van Sciver at $30, and in the U.K. from Linda Fountain for about 13 pounds. I seem to recall that bones for this purpose are obtained from a slaughter house. In Linda Fountain's current catalog (which I cannot lay my hands on "this minute"), I remember a statement to the effect that the bones from which their bobbins are made are not from a U.K. source. Perhaps this is because of cattle disease in the U.K. One of my friends purchased bone bobbin blanks and turned them on her lathe. She informed me that it is best to do this outdoors, and the odor is unpleasant. I'm afraid I have not given you very specific answers, but from these comments perhaps someone else can go to the Springett book or their catalogs and give more details. By the way, modern bone bobbins are absolutely beautiful and costly. They are a soft ivory color. Some bone bobbins have beautiful floral designs painted on them. Others are intricately carved in the way that old ivory was, with inserts of colored tinsel, and a resemblance to lace. Others have colored brass wires wound around them in decorative patterns. A full pillow of spangled ivory bobbins is true "eye candy" -- it looks like a display of fine jewelry. For those on Arachne who are not bobbin lacemakers or have not seen bone bobbins, treat yourself - go to the website of a lace supplier and look around. Yummy! Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:ivory or bone?
Liz, The bone used for most bobbins is from beef/cow. You need to have sections of bone that are straight and at least 4" (10mm) long and at least 1/4" (6mm) in thickness along the entire length. So the bone needs to come from an animal larger than lamb. I get bone from the pet store in the dog food section and have to be very selective in order to get pieces that are straight and thick enough to use. It is easy to turn so you should be able to do it on any small lathe. It does dulls the tools faster than wood so you need to make sure to keep them sharp and it is more brittle than wood so a light touch is required. The dust is quite annoying and very smelly so we always use a mask and air filter to keep the dust under control. We recently added bone bobbins, water buffalo horn and a new wood, bloodwood, to our website at www.BeeUtahful.com/store/newitems.html. Jim Stavast Arache 8th Anniversary commemorative bobbin supplier. www.BeeUtahful.com. On 19 Jun 2003 at 11:32, Liz S. Reynolds wrote: > I've got a few implements, crochet hooks and the like, that all appear to > be bone. A tatting shuttle that was sold to me as "ivory" is actually celluloid > (didn't > exactly fool me). I have some ivory beads that are recent (bought through > legal channels around 15 years ago) and the difference is striking. The > bone items all have deep grooves, sort of like the obvious grain in > oak. The ivory is much smoother and satiny as well as being more > beautiful. Perhaps there is poorer quality ivory and higher quality bone > that would be harder to tell apart. > > What sort of bone would one use to make bobbins from? Regular beef bones, > or maybe lamb since the leg bone is convenient? Would it work on a dremel lathe? > > -Liz > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 06:48:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 6/12/2003 2:31:51 AM GMT Daylight Time, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > I for one would be most upset if I had secured a bid for what I thought > > > would be an ivory bobbin and found it to be bone! > > > > I recognize Christine and David Springett as the experts on > > bobbins..certainly on English bobbins anyway, and They say that it is unusual to > > find an > > English bobbin made from ivory. In my collection of at least 100 antique bobbins, > > I > > have one highly carved bobbin that was probably made in India, and 'might' be > > ivory. It could have been made when lace was being taught in India by > > missionaries. > > All the rest are bone. > > > > > > Elaine Merritt > > The Lace Museum > > 552 South Murphy Avenue > > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > > tel. (408) 730 4695 > > - > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jim Stavast ShopSite QA [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Looking for Books
Hello Ruth, I have a folder of instructions/patterns for Paris lace which is very good. It has a pale blue cover and is entitled Parijse Kant, Patronen en technische tekeningen, by L. Ceulemans and N. Andries. I think that it came from the Kantcentrum in Belgium. It is quite old now, 1986 but if it is one of theirs they do tend to kep things in print for quite a while. It would be worth checking their web site to see. It has very clear drawings to explain everything with minimal words in english as well as flemish, german and french and all of the patterns are printed on heavy card stock. Jean in Cleveland U.K. On Thursday, June 19, 2003, at 02:57 AM, Ruth Hickman wrote: Hello Spiders: I am looking for books, one is the Celtic Bobbin Lace book, and where to order it. ( I hope that is the name) The others, I would like to know if there are any books out on Paris Lace other that the one by Vera Cockuyt. They don't have to be in English as long as the diagrams are good. I have looked in all the obvious places that I know of. Thank you for your help = Ruth Hickman Nacogdoches, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re:ivory or bone?
I've got a few implements, crochet hooks and the like, that all appear to be bone. A tatting shuttle that was sold to me as "ivory" is actually celluloid (didn't exactly fool me). I have some ivory beads that are recent (bought through legal channels around 15 years ago) and the difference is striking. The bone items all have deep grooves, sort of like the obvious grain in oak. The ivory is much smoother and satiny as well as being more beautiful. Perhaps there is poorer quality ivory and higher quality bone that would be harder to tell apart. What sort of bone would one use to make bobbins from? Regular beef bones, or maybe lamb since the leg bone is convenient? Would it work on a dremel lathe? -Liz On Mon, Jun 16, 2003 at 06:48:03PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 6/12/2003 2:31:51 AM GMT Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I for one would be most upset if I had secured a bid for what I thought > > would be an ivory bobbin and found it to be bone! > > I recognize Christine and David Springett as the experts on > bobbins..certainly on English bobbins anyway, and They say that it is unusual to > find an > English bobbin made from ivory. In my collection of at least 100 antique bobbins, I > have one highly carved bobbin that was probably made in India, and 'might' be > ivory. It could have been made when lace was being taught in India by > missionaries. > All the rest are bone. > > > Elaine Merritt > The Lace Museum > 552 South Murphy Avenue > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > tel. (408) 730 4695 > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Eng. footside on left
On Wednesday, June 18, 2003, at 03:48 AM, Devon wrote: I wonder if there is any way to tell from a piece of lace if it was made with the footside on the right or on the left. I would think this would be particularly hard with the Bucks type laces that these were. In a private e-mal someone has told me that Downton lace was made with the foot side on the left. Many years ago a lacemaking friend, who had learned her lacemaking from an elderly relative, said that she had been told that Bucks lace *does* have a right and a wrong side. The right side is face up as it is worked and the gimps are more prominent on the right side. So if you have a design which has gimps which start and finish so that you can determine the direction in which it was worked *and* if the lace hasn't been washed to reduce the prominence of the gimps on the right side, then theoretically you can determine on which side the foot edge was made. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Pattern on my website
I have changed the pattern on my website - it's now the Beds-Maltese flower trellis edging. Actually it wass changed last week but the pattern file got a bit corrupted so I didn't announce it until I'd got it fixed. The trellis edging received 26 votes, the rose hankie got 19 and the random bookmarks 14 votes. Thanks everyone for voting and I look forward to receiving another lot of votes. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Pattern booklet raffle
I have been doing a bit of spring cleaning !! and have unearthed a couple of my pattern booklets from about 10 years ago "Computer Lace Patterns; Candy Stripes; Set 1". (There never was a set 2 as set 1 didn't sell and half were given away at the time) Anyway, it's one simple torchon edging with nine different computer manipulations to make wavy, circular, square and oval edgings. The basic design is the one used for the rainbow mat in my website lace gallery, but only one set of blocks wide. If anyone is interested please email me by next Friday, 27th June, and I'll ask my granddaughter to draw two names from the hat on Saturday. I'm happy to send them anywhere in the world. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
