[lace] Re: Bibliotheca Alexandria

2003-06-30 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Monday, Jun 30, 2003, at 06:35 US/Eastern, Margot Walker wrote:

The most famous historical library was the that of Alexandria, Egypt - 
one of the wonders of the ancient world.  It collected knowledge from 
what is now Europe and the Middle East,
I remember reading somewhere that Alexander (the Great, who founded it) 
used to say: "why should I bother to learn anything, when I can look it 
up in my library?" It's an attitude which has always had a great appeal 
for me although, in recent years, I'd be inclined to substitute 
"remember" for 'learn"... 

Here's my proposal:  artists, authors, collectors, publishers, and 
lovers of textiles, select a book or books about textiles or craft 
that you've either written or found influential and send it (or them) 
to the Bibliotheca Alexandria for their collection.
There's an obvious (?) problem here... If you're *not* an author of a 
book, but send one written by someone else, then they're likely to end 
up with multiple copies of the same book (esp in case of the ones 
published in the past 20 yrs)... Would they sell them off at a quarter 
a piece the way my library does?

And, of course, there's no guarantee that our "New Roman" doesn't go 
haring off to *Egypt* tracking terrorists, and that *this* library 
won't meet the same fate the first one did...

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[lace] Fw:lace,spice girls' vocal concert

2003-06-30 Thread blairj
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[lace] bobbin holder

2003-06-30 Thread Lorelei Halley
Candace
I've never actually seen instructions, but it is a strip of single crochet
with treble chain 1 treble worked in each single crochet.  At the end of the
row do several stitches into the end single crochet, and then treble 1,
chain 1 across the other side.  The end result is a strip thick in the
middle with largish holes near the top and bottom.  The size thread you use
affects which size bobbins fits through it.  Mine is Knit-Cro-Sheen and
works with Danish bobbins.
Lorelei
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[lace] beginners

2003-06-30 Thread Lorelei Halley
Karen and others,
I'll say this again, a little less patiently.  A beginner is a person I
value, who wants to learn bobbin lace.  A beginner doesn't know by looking
at a pattern or a lace, whether it is easy or difficult.  She is not likely
to know in what order various techniques should be learned, and may not
realize that there is, in fact, a reasonable order.  An expert understands
what parts of a lace are basic and exist in almost all designs for that
particular style.  An expert can look at a pricking or a lace and know how
much of that particular lace is strictly within the common mainstream of
what can be expected in that genre, and what elements may be unusual or
rare.  Obviously, it doesn't make sense for a beginner to start learning the
rare and unusual elements first.  Obviously it makes sense for her to start
with the most common techniques and elements that occur all the time.
People who take the enormous amount of trouble involved to write a book know
the difference between common and rare, and will organize their books with
the common elements first.  THAT is why beginners will learn best from one
of the good books.  Of course I am talking about a beginner who doesn't have
a live teacher to guide her.  I'm talking about someone who is trying to
learn in a vacuum with no echoes coming back to her.  When I learned in 1981
that was my condition.  I knew no other aspiring lacemakers.  There were a
few in Chicago at that time, but I had no idea where they were.  I learned
from Doris Southard's book, which is very very well organized and sensible,
putting the simple things first and the unusual things last.

If you have a live teacher you can disregard everything I've said because
your teacher, presumably, will guide you into learning in a reasonable order
so that you don't become frustrated.

I'm trying to advise beginners so as to help them avoid frustration.  IS
ANYBODY LISTENING?
Lorelei
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[lace] Re: IOLI competition/pattern instructions (wordy, wordy...)

2003-06-30 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Sunday, Jun 29, 2003, at 15:40 US/Eastern, Janice Blair wrote:

We all know how wordy Tamara can be ; I prefer to write as little 
as possible.
Yeah, well, so do I, actually :) My early patterns were lengthy, 
because I didn't know what a person might be *expected* to know, and 
because I was still re-inventing the wheel twice daily...  Now, the 
instructions are lengthy because, half of the time, I'm leaving the 
confines of tradition on purpose, and don't feel it's fair *not* to 
document it. But... When you break out of the box in a book, you can do 
it *once*, and make it apply to all the following patterns; when you do 
a single pattern, you have to state the "ground rules" *every time*, 
adding to the overall length.

Take this year's IOLI entry. 10 (different; some are mirrored, for a 
total of 17) elements, *mostly* Milanese. Where the braid had been 
documented before, I refer the lacemaker to the book where it can be 
found; it is, afterall, a *pattern*, not a *lacemaking course*. But, 
two of the braids are of my own invention, and one is so "varied" it 
was simpler to draw a diagram, than try to describe it. Hence the 3 
diagrams (4, if you count the mirrored image as a separate entity)... 
Some sewings are "side", some "top"... All are done one way or the 
other *on purpose*; the *how* is to be found in the books, but I need 
to "flag" them with every braid, because the photos aren't likely to 
show it... etc, etc. And that's just for a 2-colour (white and gold) 
"confection"; if I had to document the "technicolour" version I'm now 
working on, I'd have to produce something along the lines of Sandi 
Woods' "Special Effects in ML" (and go ga-ga in the process )...

Lorelei wrote:

I don't think it is reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic 
bobbin lace techniques from a pattern published in the bulletin.
Until fairly recently (the past 2-3 years), the (admittedly, 
*unconfirmed*) "scuttlebutt" among those who contributed with some 
regularity was that all BL patterns aimed for publication in IOLI were 
to be simple -- Torchon and basic tape (cloth and half stitch) for 
preference, with *geometric* Bucks for "desert". And as much in the way 
of instructions as you could cram, to broaden the appeal and "cover" 
the semi-beginners as well as the intermediates (presumably, there were 
no "advanced's" to be had). Which is why, for several years, I'd been 
sending the more complex patterns (which assume more knowledge of the 
basics) to Lace, rather than IOLI.

Things have changed; whether it's because I'd been mis-informed in the 
first place, or the general level of lacemaking standard in the US has 
risen, or because the editors were so "starved" for patterns they'd 
accept anything, I do not know. But, between the more ready acceptance 
of "not for beginners" and the colour, I'll be more likely to send 
*both* types of patterns to IOLI now that I had been 3 yrs ago

It seems to me that these contests serve to inspire lacemakers to add 
to the wealth of designs that all lacemakers can draw from.
We all have different points of view (thank goodness )... Since I'm 
a "rude mechanical" rather than an "artist", my first priority is to 
design patterns that other people might be tempted to reproduce and 
use, and to make it *possible* for them to do so. The patterns which 
"add to the wealth" but without the means to repeat/re-interpret are, 
for me, so much "eye candy".

Beginners should be working through a book aimed at beginners,
Or, with a teacher, yes. *To an extent*. I totally agree with Jane 
(Partridge) that, at least *some* of the patterns published in 
magazines should be an extension of the *beginner's* horizon, a "bait" 
*almost* within one's reach, rather than a beaten path of the "same 
old, same old, step by small step". And, if they want to stretch their 
wings a bit beyond what's provided by any particular book/teacher (same 
thing, in the long run), they should be helped, not hampered...

IMO (also not at all humble ), a magazine/newsletter/bulletin (a 
rose by any other name) which provides patterns of only one level of 
standard -- be it advanced or beginner -- is likely to be read by a 
very small group of people... Since "it" (mag, etc) is likely to be 
one's most important connection to a lace group/guild, and since it's 
likely to be the biggest (if not *only*, depending on the size of the 
country) "magnet" for joining, I think it should cater to *all*.

Of course, "elitism" was a dirty word in (communist) Poland of my 
childhood, so I have a skewed view of things... :)

Back to Janice:

I would also like some feedback after the competition on why a 
particular piece did not win.
I'd like to have feedback even if the piece *did* win :) Got it, in 
'91, but that was the only time (have entered twice since; this year's 
is the 3rd)

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[lace] Re: Instructions (individual patterns)

2003-06-30 Thread Tamara P. Duvall
On Sunday, Jun 29, 2003, at 22:04 US/Eastern, Dora Smith wrote:

Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace.
Advanced patterns really won't do it.  I haven't been able to find any 
in a
single fabric or craft shop.
Oh, Dora... :) No offence, honestly, but this was as good for a giggle 
as Vibeke's posting about the bone bobbins which got eaten before they 
were photographed...  Judging by your e-address, you're in Austin, 
Texas? The last time you could have found a lace *pattern* in a fabric 
or craft shop in the US was, probably, before WWI. *If* then. Crocheted 
and knitted lace-y stuff, yes, even now (just use finer needles, finer 
thread, and you're all set). Tatted, I'm told, up until the 50ties. 
But, with the more labour-intensive lace techniques (bobbin, needle, 
mixed) there aren't enough people who already know the basics to 
produce a market for individual patterns...

So, it's all books, or workshops, or magazines...

For books -- on any technique (and for any and all other lace-related 
information, including special treatment of beginners) -- visit:
http://lace.lacefairy.com/

Workshops are often announced here, but you should also subscribe to 
IOLI:
http://www.internationaloldlacers.org/

In addition to the quarterly Bulletin (which provides patterns for 
different lace techniques, on different levels of development, among 
other things), you'll get a directory of members -- from there, you can 
find  lacemakers in your area who are always willing to welcome a new 
member and to help you start and continue. Some of those groups will 
have a publication of their own, though the range of patterns is likely 
to be smaller.

Depending on the depth of your pocketbook... All countries where 
lacemaking is alive will have at least one magazine devoted to the 
craft, and each will have some patterns in every issue.

Repeated visits to Michaels are not going to give you any joy, that's 
for sure :)

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[lace] Re: pins (digest VI #3662

2003-06-30 Thread LACEELAIN
In a message dated 6/29/2003 2:11:52 AM GMT Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> From Lace and Bobbins, T.L.Huetson 1973
>  "The making of pillow lace requires the use of pins, and when the art of 
>  making lace was brought to England these were very expensive.  
Consequently 
> the workers had to improvise their own, long thorns being used in the 
midlands 
> and fish bones in south Devon.  The lace-makers along the coast of Devon, 
where 
>  fishing was their livelihood, were in the ideal position of having plenty 
of 
> fish from which to choose good strong slender bones of suitable length."
>  
>  His bibliography includes Thomas Wright and Palliser, neither of which I 
>  have, so I can't follow it back.

I don't have Palliser in London, but I do have a nice old copy of Thomas 
Wright (1919) and this is what his book says on the subject of pins being used by 
lacemakers in England:
"Soon after the Flemish Exodus brass wire pins came into general use in this 
country.  Pins of a sort had been made here as early as 1347, but our brass 
wire pins date only from about 1530.  By the statute of 1543 entitled "An Act 
for the 
True making of Pynnes" the price was not to exceed 6/8 per 1000.  
Nevertheless until 1626, when John Tilsby established a manufactory in 
Gloucestershire, 
most of the pins used by English workers were imported from France. The 
Pinmakers Corporation of London was not established till 1636." (Page 36)

On page 122, the book continues:  The early brass pins made in England had a 
globular head of fine twisted wire made separately and secured to the shank by 
compression from a falling block and die.  Consequently the heads often came 
off.  It was not until 1849 that the kind with solid heads now universally in 
use appeared on the market.

The workers liked to use pins with red waxed or beaded heads for the Headside 
(or Turnside) of the lace, and gold wax or green beaded pins for the 
Footside.  Sometimes however, for these purposes they used pins on which were threaded 
six or more tiny beads of blue and white or red and white placed alternately. 
 In North Bucks these pins are called Limicks, in South Bucks Bugles, in Beds 
King Pins , and like the other coloured pins they added greatly to the beauty 
of the pillow. 
(page 122)
He continues with a discussion of other types of pins. Burheads ornamented 
with the seeds of goosef-grass, and a bit about two pins with bone heads, 
inscribed with the usual dotted fashion common to bobbins, with the names Ruth and 
Thomas." 
These are pictured on plate 21.  The shank of these pins look to be about the 
length of a Honiton bobbin...i.e. quite long!

Elaine Merritt
The Lace Museum
552 South Murphy Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
tel. (408) 730 4695
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[lace] thorns and horns and bones and things

2003-06-30 Thread A Thompson
When I was a child, about seven yers old, I remember my parents taking me to
Cardiff Museum in South Wales, England.  I was most interested in a display
of costume that showed a woman's cloak held together at the top by a very
large thorn.  (maybe hawthorne, I do not know).

I have a pair of horn bobbins made by a man in Bewdley, Worcestershire. This
little town was famous for items made from animal horn, including horn
buttons.

I also posses several pairs of plain and decorated bone bobbins which are
quite unlike ivory bobbins. The bone bobbins have little streaks within
them.  I wish I could remember where I read instructions for making bone
bobbins, including how long you had to boil the shin bone (beef cattle) and
how long you had to keep it (or not) as the case may be. I do not know if
the bobbins were turned from the bone when it was soft, or hard.  In the
nineteenth century they used to dye the bone and colour the bobbins green as
decoration.

I am sure that  bobbins were made from any suitable material available.  I
do not use my glass bobbins, in case they break, but I know several
lace-makers who do, without damage.

Angela Thompson after a very successful and fine-day family Wedding, last
Saturday.

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[lace] Crochet bobbin holders

2003-06-30 Thread Jean Nathan
I understand that crochet stitches, although worked the same, have different
names in the US and UK. Don't know which system is used in other countries:

US
UK
single crochet (sc)
double crochet (dc)
half double crochet (hdc)
half treble (htr)
double crochet (dc)
treble (tr)
treble or triple crochet (tr)
double treble (dtr)
double treble (dtr)
triple treble (ttr)

Jean in Poole
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[lace] Margaret Hamer's Lace 1

2003-06-30 Thread A Thompson
Margaret Hamer's Lace. Part 1 - longish

Brief Summary for those who missed my original posting.
Last week I told you how Pauline and I were to choose a share of the lace
left by the late
Margeret Hamer, sister of Kathleen Waller. When we visited Kathleen she
brought out box
after box of lace, embroidered net, filet, crochet, Carrickmacross etc.
which we went through
quickly, but there was far too much to make any decisions there and then. I
hid the file-boxes
under the table in my workroom, and there they stayed unopened until after
my holiday. When
we opened them last week, Pauline and I had a wonderful day and did not
disagree about
anything and had only what was of interest to us personally.

I propose to take items one or two at a time, and tell you about them so
that you can share in
my pleasure, for Margaret was such a lovely lady and I owe her memory a deep
debt of
gratitude in many, many ways. She was an inspiration to so many lacemakers,
she will never be forgotten.

The black A4 size file-box is now in front of me. The first items lying on
top are two bonnets.
I did wash these very carefully as they looked rather sad and crushed when
first taken out.
The one is a baby-bonnet in a fine cotton lawn decorated with whitework
embroidery in
padded satin-stitch and minute eyelet holes.  The date is mid 19th century.
The tiny bonnet
crown, a circle 2 inches (5 centimetres) in diameter, is surrounded with the
traditional
scalloped border, edged with fine buttonhole stitchery.  Little dots of
raised satin-stitch cover
the ground fabric which is gathered into the crown at the back and has tucks
at the front.
Adjustment strings are threaded through these tucks and the front join.

There are three layers of lace frills at the front, one continuing round the
back. The lace is a
fine example of East Midlands lace, Bucks point style, 1 inch (2.5cm) in
width.  Any baby would look pretty in this!

At first I thought the second one was a baby bonnet, but it is far more
likely to be a Boudoir cap
of the 1920's.  The net fabric of the crown and deep surround is embroidered
by Schiffli
machine with a little flower-sprig pattern.  A single band of torchon lace
is sewn round the
outer edge, which is not gathered.  It is a delicate lace with diamonds
formed of groups of
four spiders separated by a mirror-rpeat of double triangles.  I am sure the
lady looked very
pretty too.

More to come.

Angela Thompson
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[lace] Madeira threads

2003-06-30 Thread Lynne Cumming
I had a phone call this pm in response to my email from a nice lady called
Linda at Madeira. It would appear that I have one reel each of old and new
stock. The colour change is down to the change of process used for the
metallic threads to come within EEC guidelines! She would have exchanged
both reels for two matching ones but the 'nicer' one will last for the
current project unless I get carried away(g) .

So hats off to Madeira for a prompt and helpful response to the query!!!

Lynne.

Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
pig."
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[lace] Pins in a Museum - England?

2003-06-30 Thread Jane Partridge
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
>Is there a needle museum in your country?  

Forge Needle Museum, Studley, near Redditch, Worcestershire.  (We passed
it yesterday, on the way to Coughton Court - home of the Throckmorton
Family - of Gunpowder Plot fame - though also on display is Edward
VIII's abdication letter - where the chemise Mary Queen of Scots wore
for her execution is on display - the edgings are needlelace).

It is worth going - in the same complex is Bordesley Abbey, and one of
the Sheldon tapestries (a panel about 15-18 inches square) was on
display in the Visitor Centre when we went (it is probably still there).
This tapestry has a border of silver (metal) lace - Spanish fan and
torchon ground if I remember correctly.  Dates to late 17th Century.

I have been a couple of times, and honestly can't remember many pins
amongst the display (though there were pincushions, following the
publication of Audrey Babbington's Pincushion Book a few years back) -
the processes for making them are different (needles are made in pairs,
the eyes punched in the centre of the rod before separating and
pointing).  I think there may have been a few to show the differing
heads (from lumps of wax? to the current flat type).

Being the gr gr gr granddaughter of a Bromsgrove nailer (Bromsgrove is
not very far from Studley) I suppose this is the sort of thing I should
know!  BTW, nailing is another industry we were supposed to have no clue
about until the Flemish refugees landed!

As you may gather, this area was famous for the production of needles
and nails - though sadly, no longer - but a short while back it was more
or less certain that any needle you held had been made in Studley.  Now
they are made in the far East, too.
-- 
Jane Partridge
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RE: [lace] Pins in a Museum - England?

2003-06-30 Thread BARRON
try this Jeri and see if it looks familiar

http://www.britainexpress.com/counties/worcestershire/museums/forge-hill.htm

jenny barron
Scotland

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Dear Lacemakers in England,

Is there a needle museum in your country?

Perhaps one of you is familiar with whether they display pins in this
museum?
   Perhaps there is a Web Site?

Perhaps they have published a booklet on the history of needles and pins?

Was this museum on the tour i/c/w last year's OIDFA meeting in Nottingham?
I
recall the reference, so it cannot be too far back.

(From one who retains less than 1% of all she reads!)

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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[lace] RE: Crocheted bobbin holders

2003-06-30 Thread beth
 Jay Ekers wrote:
It is easier to insert and remove the bobbins if wool thread is used
 because it has a little more give than cotton thread.
>
If you can get shirring elastic (a thin, round elastic) it makes wonderful 
bobbin holders when crocheted according to Jay's pattern.
Beth
in a very wet Cheshire,UK
 
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Re: [lace] collections/libraries

2003-06-30 Thread Toni Hawryluk
Margot, out of the kindness of her heart,
has asked for donations to the library
being rebuilt/restocked in Alexandria . . .

Jeri has collected, over a lifetime, an
'inheritance' for lace-makers, and also has
asked for suggestions on how to best
use/maintain it . . .
. . .

"Putting all one's eggs in one basket"
did not avail in Alexandria - nor in the
time when Hitler played god, nor,
most recently, in Iraq - due to the
'activities' of various forms of politics/
government/cultures . . .

and "Charity begins at home . . ."

I do not begrudge other countries
any assistance that may be offered
them, regardless of how this message
may be viewed - e-mail is notorious
for allowing whatever is in a reader's
background to 'color' one's perspective,
*as it has in mine*.
...
And mine says : Jeri already *has* a
collection worth preserving/adding to -
...
and, I might add, it is *located* (so far ?)
in a relatively stable, politically speaking,
country.

Please *think* about how to best use
your 'extra' time/energies/materials . . .

Toni in Seattle
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[lace] Pins in a Museum - England?

2003-06-30 Thread Jeriames
Dear Lacemakers in England,

Is there a needle museum in your country?  

Perhaps one of you is familiar with whether they display pins in this museum? 
   Perhaps there is a Web Site?

Perhaps they have published a booklet on the history of needles and pins?

Was this museum on the tour i/c/w last year's OIDFA meeting in Nottingham?  I 
recall the reference, so it cannot be too far back.  

(From one who retains less than 1% of all she reads!)

Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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[lace] RE: Crocheted bobbin holders

2003-06-30 Thread Jay Ekers
Candace asked:
>Does anyone out there have instructions for crocheting bobbin holders?
It looks simple enough, but I wonder if instructions were available
somewhere on the Web. Thanks.

I crocheted very simple ones from listening to a description. 
To hold a dozen bobbins:
Crochet 25 chain. One treble in the third chain from the hook; (one
chain then treble in the second chain) repeated to the end.

Use thick thread for large bobbins, thinner thread for small bobbins. It
is easier to insert and remove the bobbins if wool thread is used
because it has a little more give than cotton thread.

Jay in Sydney where winter has again returned. 
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Re: [lace] yet abothr "lace" tool

2003-06-30 Thread Barb E TX
Brian that sounds right.  I thought it looks like it was made to be inserted
in a stand or something, but did not know hwo to describe it clearly enough
to respond.  BarbE

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> Jean raised this one with us.
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3231264061&category=33
>
> I cant find anything that totally resembles this "winder" in any of my
> reference books.
>
> So here goes with a guess.
>
> I does seem to be a winder and I suspect that it was once part of a
"winder
> tree".  What it would have done is to fit into a pair of vertical holes so
> that it could be removed, the cotton wound on and then replaced.  This
> winder would then revolve as the cotton was taken off.
>
>
>
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3231264061&category=33
>
>
> Brian from Cooranbong, Australia
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[lace] crocheted bobbin holders

2003-06-30 Thread candace
Hi all,

Does anyone out there have instructions for crocheting bobbin holders? It looks simple 
enough, but I wonder if instructions were available somewhere on the Web. Thanks.

Candace in central Pennsylvania (USA)
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Re: [lace] Horn bobbin on ebay

2003-06-30 Thread candace
At 07:47 AM 6/27/2003, Brian wrote:
>I would suggest that it is certainly a horn bobbin.  I this that
>translucence that you associate with such material.
>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2330136997&category=193

I was the one who bought this bobbin. I have other horn bobbins, and I was pretty 
confident that it was "real." Plus, I've bought from Tony before and he is a reliable 
seller (although anyone could be mistaken).

Once I get it, I'll compare to my other horn bobbins, but all the ones I own are 
translucent and have a greenish or tannish color to them. I love the way these bobbin 
feel.

Candace in central PA
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[lace] Bibliotheca Alexandria (long)

2003-06-30 Thread Margot Walker
I subscribe to the magazine 'Piecework' and the latest issue has a blurb 
that I think would be of interest to lacemakers who have extra books to 
give away.  Many, many years ago, when I was studying to be a Librarian, 
one of the compulsory courses was about the history of libraries.  The 
most famous historical library was the that of Alexandria, Egypt - one 
of the wonders of the ancient world.  It collected knowledge from what 
is now Europe and the Middle East, and when it was sacked and burnt by 
the Romans, it was reputed to have a collection of over 500,000 books or 
the equivalent.  It has now been rebuilt and they are now starting to 
build the collection.  Here is text of the blurb in Piecework.  [I have 
the permission of the author to reprint it anywhere and everywhere :-) 
and I think it would be a worthy project for Arachneans.

-Books for the Bibliotheca Alexandria-
Seventeen hundred years after its fabled predecessor vanished, a new 
library in Alexandria, Egypt, was opened a year ago.  By all reports, 
the building is beautiful, and the library's aim, to house a monument to 
human knowledge across national boundaries and cultures, is noble.  But 
the library sorely needs books to fill its shelves.

Frustrated with the world situation and wondering what a single 
individual can do to help the Bibliotheca Alexandria, I thought about my 
experience of teaching embroidery and design in other countries.  I 
remembered that even with no language in common, there is joy in 
communicating with our hands, threads, and a shared history and love of 
craft.  I thought about how I honor libraries and books, learning from 
pictures as well as works.

Here's my proposal:  artists, authors, collectors, publishers, and 
lovers of textiles, select a book or books about textiles or craft that 
you've either written or found influential and send it (or them) to the 
Bibliotheca Alexandria for their collection.  I have arranged for your 
donations to be part of the Hand to Hand Project established for the 
library.  I am hopeful that this modest effort by each of us will help 
to establish common ties, reweave, stitch up, and knit together some of 
the world that seems to be unraveling as we watch.

Please send your gift before Sept. 1, 2003, to:  Gift to the Bibliotheca 
Alexandria, Hand to Hand Project, El Shatby, Alexandria 21526, Egypt.  
Include your name and address and any message on a separate sheet of 
paper placed inside the book.  Authors should feel free to sign their 
books.

After you have mailed the package, e-mail me at 
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and author(s) of the book(s) you sent.  I will keep a running list and 
send it to the Donations Committee at the library as a cross-check.  
Barbar Lee Smith, Piecework, July/Aug. 2003, p. 10-11.



Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada
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[lace] RE: lace-digest V1 #3664

2003-06-30 Thread Lynne Cumming
<>

Definitely the same number (280) and the one I like (VBG) is as on the shade
card. Even DH took one look and said they're totally different! As long as I
don't use them together I'll be OK but it really makes me wonder. As the
labels have identical info but are different typefaces I can only presume
that something has changed. I've emailed Madeira. If I get a response I'll
let you know!!

Lynne.
Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk where it's raining ++ and I don't think I'll rush
the Monday morning washing! May just have to make lace until it stops!
Shame!

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
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[lace] Re Instructions

2003-06-30 Thread Karen Butler
Jane wrote:
"How many times I
have heard a lacemaker say "but I'm only a beginner.." as if the
magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of
whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach.  This is, and
should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published
are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners
should be working through books it makes me wonder!"


As a beginner in Honiton, I can honestly say that The Lace Guild's Lace is
invaluable.  I may not be able to work many of the patterns included, but I
can still learn from them.  I have worked through Suzanne Thompson's Intro
to Honiton Lace, and am currently working through her subsequent book,
Further Steps in Honiton Lace.  In between working the patterns from these,
I have also taken time to work other patterns using the skills I have
learnt, with minimal instructions rather than the step by step approach.

I may not have worked any pattern yet with no instructions at all - but they
are still of use, as I can look and try and work out a working order and the
techniques needed to complete the pattern.  With some, I may only be able to
work out how to handle part of the design.  For some patterns, I can look
and see different ways of working the design too.  Similarly, I find
studying patterns in other books helpful and pictures of lace itself without
the pricking.

My aim is to become as independent of the instructions as possible, as
having to look things up slows me down and restricts what I can work.  With
many things I am now at the stage where if I have to look it up, it is to
double check my thoughts, and where I cannot remember all the details, I can
make myself a working diagram or brief directions to avoid having to search
through masses of text for the details I am finding hard to remember.

Karen
In Coventry, England, where the weather has changed to rain.
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Re: [lace] Instructions

2003-06-30 Thread Jean Barrett
Good morning All,
To Dora and others who have been talking about beginners instructions 
for bobbin lace, some of the best and least expensive instruction books 
 fro the various lace techniques are those published by the Lace Guild 
in UK. You do not have to be a member of the Guild to buy them. Some, 
like Jean Leaders book on Bucks Point are compilations of a series from 
the magazine. Others were specially commissioned. Even for a fairly 
experienced lace maker they are very handy to check up on a particular 
point, if you haven't made that lace for a while. See the Lace Guild 
web site at
www.thelaceguild.org
Jean in Cleveland U.K.
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On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 03:04 AM, Dora Smith wrote:

Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace.
Advanced patterns really won't do it.  I haven't been able to find any 
in a
single fabric or craft shop.

Dora

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lorelei 
Halley
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
I don't think it is
reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace 
techniques
from a pattern published in the bulletin.

 Beginners should be
working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can 
master
the
basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn.
I hope I am reading this wrong.  As a teacher, I introduce my students
to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will
subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating
(usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members.  How many 
times I
have heard a lacemaker say "but I'm only a beginner.." as if the
magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of
whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach.  This is, and
should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published
are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners
should be working through books it makes me wonder!  Books which often
too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through
the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one
reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what
they see as "what they get in return for their subscription" is way
above their standard, they are put off joining.

I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace
Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns
suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns
are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones -
and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking 
that
they need most support.  Maybe they are not learning new techniques 
from
the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further
practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have
successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series 
on
Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very
solid example).  Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live
lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline.

One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that 
it
is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile!

--
Jane Partridge
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[lace] yet abothr "lace" tool

2003-06-30 Thread Brian
Jean raised this one with us.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3231264061&category=33

I cant find anything that totally resembles this "winder" in any of my
reference books.

So here goes with a guess.

I does seem to be a winder and I suspect that it was once part of a "winder
tree".  What it would have done is to fit into a pair of vertical holes so
that it could be removed, the cotton wound on and then replaced.  This
winder would then revolve as the cotton was taken off.





http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3231264061&category=33


Brian from Cooranbong, Australia
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