[lace] Pins
Because RA makes it uncomfortable to flick bobbins side to side, I move them by lifting so crossing and twisting is down above the pricking, not on it. That means my lace always rides up the pins, so even with torchon, I push the outside pins all the way in after I've work each inch or so to stop this happening. It keeps the work down even if it's wide. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Working covers
I found that I couldn't tell where the hole was in a transparent cover, so I made another, and stuck a circle of pale blue transparent film on the plastic before cutting the hole, leaving a thin pale blue rim around the edge of the hole. Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Thanks for thinking of us
To all my Arachne friends whether touched by this new terror, or not I didn't contact our Spanish Arachnes, but I have thought of you - and also of those Spanish friends from pre BL days with whom I've lost touch. I'm also thinking now of all you US (and other) arachnes touched by 9-11. The Madrid craziness has, I'm sure, brought all the pain back to the fore front of our thoughts - when I was hoping that time had at least started its healing magic and dulled our pain a little. I hope we can all unite and say Don't let the angry ones defeat us. I firmly believe in tolerance and acceptance for all opinions, races, creeds, colours and so on. We live in a beautiful world and must strive to celebrate our differences. Wouldn't it be a dreadful life if we were all the same? Let us always remember and strive in the hope that better times will come for us all. Viv -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Antje González Sent: 17 March 2004 12:57 To: Arachne Subject: [lace] Thanks for thinking of us To those arachneans who have sent their condolences Thank you very much for thinking of us in such a terrible moment for all Spain. You can't imagine how comforting it is to see that people with whom you share your most loved hobbies and/or job don't forget you, even though we live so far away from most of you. Although we luckily have not been affected directly, we are surrounded by friends and neighbours who have died or are fighting to survive. I can tell you that we all have very deep pain and sorrow, and we feel that nobody deserves this brutal action... it will take us ages to forget such nightmare. Thanks again for thinking of us Eva, from El Escorial (Madrid), Spain Carolina, from Barcelona, Spain Pepe, from Coria del Río (Sevilla), Spain Antje, from Guadalajara, Spain - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Circular grids
Thanks to all for help sorting out the number of repeats on the Jane Atkinson circular edge I am attempting. I found the circular grid much harder to work than I expected. After struggling for a day or so, I worked backwards and undid all 52 pairs, hung the pairs of bobbins on a bobbin tree to ease out the kinks, and drew the pattern up in my computer. Started again - still couldn't see curved diagonals. Undid again (much less this time) and reprinted the pattern complete with the grid. At last,I could see where I was going. I have almost done the first pattern section, but I found a curious thing - twice, at the end of trails, I have had to introduce an extra pair. I've been back to the computer, but can't for the life of me work out why I need the extra pairs! Ah well, perhaps it will sort itself out when I get to do it again for the first repeat. Maybe I'll have to throw them out somewhere. I have also discovered a new trick. The pillow I am using has moveable blocks (it's fan shaped, I made it myself) but it is still not big enough and bobbins hang over the edge. I have found an old lap tray with a bag of bean bag fill underneath it - they were quite popular some time ago to keep things steady on your lap. I turned it upside down, slipped the tray under my pillow, with the beans pushed to one side to support my hanging bobbins. Works like a charm! Last piece of news - was approached by a teenage girl (17 or 18, I think), lives on a property out of town, keen on sewing, who really wants to learn to make lace! I've got her started, and she is just charging ahead! It's such a thrill to pass the skill on to someone so young! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemaker with the bowler hat
Lori posted her site with the various examples of the lacemaker. I wonder what it is about the original picture that inspired so many versions and whether there is a lace version out there. I tried to copy and paste the address would today this dumb machine would not cooperate. When the bowler hat was first mentioned all I could envision was a woman wearing the bowler that my Grandad wore, kinda like Diane Keaton at the Oscars recently, this one is really a nice hat with bow trimmings. Janice Blair Crystal Lake where it snowed again for the third day running. When will it warm up? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Teachers and teaching
On Mar 18, 2004, at 4:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz) wrote: It's interesting, as a trainer in my main life, we are always told that there is never anything wrong with the student - it's always the fault of the teacher. WRONG. There are some people who are impervious to any teaching. Surely not *any* teaching -- just in a particular subject? Unless they're total vegetables (with a flat line showing on the brain-activity machine)... With a strange look of surprise on my face I asked her that if she 'hated it' why was she coming to the lessons and she replied because she wanted to show her friend she could learn it when her friend couldn't. One-upmanship is a poor reason for trying to learn anything; it's not likely to provide enough motivation... g The lady would have had to *truly* hate her friend, to put her heart and soul into learning lacemaking which, apparently, wasn't the case. I was taught by a wonderful trainer that to actually master a skill it takes over 700 repetitions of the skill to do it. They say it takes 1000 talies to make them *dependably* good. *Then*, you learn a different way of making them, which takes another 1000. And *then*, you get to make them in *wire*, and all your cake is dough again... :) Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Teachers and teachings
Lynn, just in case Tamara's not on-line at present, I'll answer. A tally is a little woven decorative shape, usually (but not always) worked instead of a Ground Stitch. Two pairs of bobbins are used, with just one single thread being woven backwards and forwards through the others until the desired size and shape is achieved. Tallies have a reputation for being difficult because there is always the danger of pulling the tally out of shape by tugging too hard on the weaver thread. However, once you understand what happens when you pull on this or that thread, they're not nearly as frightening!! Tallies are also used to work the leaf shapes seen in some laces, such as Bedfordshire lace. I believe it was an English lace teacher who once said that you had to make a thousand tallies before you felt happy making them, although like everything else in lacemaking, some people find them difficult, and others do not. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello spiders, OK Tamara you are making me nervous. I am new to this lace making stuff :) What in the world is a tallie. Another stupid question. Lynn :) wildgun004smate Clarksburg, WV - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Teachers and teaching
But, Tamara, I find tallies in wire seem to be easier. Once I have set the edge it doesn't change. Lorri They say it takes 1000 talies to make them *dependably* good. *Then*, you learn a different way of making them, which takes another 1000. And *then*, you get to make them in *wire*, and all your cake is dough again... :) Tamara P Duvall - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tallies (was: teachers and teaching)
On Mar 18, 2004, at 23:21, Lorri Ferguson wrote: But, Tamara, I find tallies in wire seem to be easier. Once I have set the edge it doesn't change. *Too* true... g My own countless (leaf) tallies notwithstanding (I used to love Russian Tape above all techniques, and still marry it, sometimes, to Milanese. Just to be ornery; most people marry Milanese to Duchesse), they're still not *dependably* uniform or pleasing, not even in thread, where a pine cone can be re-touched if necessary... In wire??? Dante (Alighieri) must have had wire leaf-tallies in mind, when he wrote: abandon all hope, ye who enter here... :) I have developed a rhythm of tensioning leaf-tallies which works for me. *In thread*. Everything I *thought* I knew had to be abandoned, entirely, for wire. That our (two; each worth at least 2lbs of weight loss due to anxiety g) tallies were supposed to be s-shaped was just icing on the Inferno-made-torte g... *One day*, when I'm good and ready, I *may* try making leaf-tallies in wire again (but I'll make certain-sure to practice them *off* a project first)... Possibly, it'll happen the very same day Dante's Hell turns into a skating rink :) In the meantime, I'll use every trick in a book to by-pass them; a leaf-tally (or a square tally, or any other tally for that matter, including the raised, the raised-and-rolled, the quarter moon-shaped, etc) is, afterall, just two pairs travelling in one direction. It won't (can't) even come back to the point of origin, without either another tally or a plait. So, it can -- easily -- be substituted by any other mode of travel that two pairs are capable of... And I'm gonna make *danged sure* to use the alternate routes for as long as I need to, to get my courage up; I know *all* about the alternate routes 2 pairs can take (vide the 2-Pair Inventions -- all in *thread*; Paula Harten is doing a wire upgrade on them, and I hope she'll share with everyone soon, as they're better than in thread -- on the website; URL in the signature)... :) Wildgun004smate (Lynn, in WV) wrote: OK Tamara you are making me nervous. I am new to this lace making stuff :) What in the world is a tallie. Another stupid question. *No* question is stupid; it's people who don't ask questions who're silly (and remain happy in their ignorance; to each his/her own g) Ruth has already given you the definition, the basic principle of working a tally, and has warned you of the possible pitfalls (in *thread* g). For visual examples of various tallies... I can't quote URLs -- my browser seems to be having a bad-hair-day, and keeps coming up with all sorts of excuses *not* to show me what I want to see (including my own website, which has leaf-tallies up the kazoo in the 2-Pair Inventions section). But Lorelei Halley's website and Lori-the-lace-fairy's one are likely to have examples of *all* tally shapes known to lacemaking humankind... If Lori and Lorelei would -- kindly -- provide the URLs, you ought to bookmark them, and refer to the visuals as often as possible. Sooner or later, you'll find that, my crabby comments notwithstanding, there's *nothing* as pretty/useful as a tally in the right place :) PS. The leaf-shaped ones are also called Cluny leaves; in Honiton, they're called wheat-something; can't remember what. And leadwork is also one of the names used, at least in the English laces... Good luck hunting them up. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Arachnes at Tonder
In a message dated 3/16/2004 6:33:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, Irene Whitham, writes I too am going to the Tonder Lace Festival. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone! How will we know who's who? I would also like to see the exhibition in Copenhagen, could Avril please gives us the information again. I promise to write it down this time. Can't believe how forgetful I can get already It seems to me that one year, one of the suppliers --was it Barbara Fay? -- offered to keep a list of those Arachnes who registered there. We might be able to try to sit together at the dinner. Could someone make a sign ?? Just a thought. Elaine Merritt - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] early statistics for the OIDFA Congress
As of Thursday evening, March 18, 13 Arachnes have said they plan to attend the OIDFA Congress in Prague. Not everybody has mentioned whether or not they will be at the Banquet. Four said they were not going to come. Six said they were taking the tour. Elaine Merritt - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Arachnes at Tonder
On Mar 19, 2004, at 1:44, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that one year, one of the suppliers --was it Barbara Fay? -- offered to keep a list of those Arachnes who registered there. I've only been to *one* Tonder event -- in 2001 -- and it was Gabriela Kister-Schuler (Kloeppelkiste) then who made the sign, and sponsored the Arachne get-togethers over the whole time. As far as I know, the Fays have never joined Arachne (I still remember trying to convince Barbara that it would be ever so much easier if I could place my orders via e-mail, and her response was fax's sufficient. That was less than 6 months before they acquired an e-mail addres g). Hope y'all will have a grand time in Tonder, and will find one another (Carolina's spider ought to make things easy, and there's plenty of time still to make it). And, pretty please, *do* post your reports; I can't afford to take in both Tonder and OIDFA in one year (*especially not* on top of all the workshops I'd taken/hope to take in the US g), but I had a *splendid* time in Tonder in '01, and am sure everyone who goes this year will enjoy it also. PS; my Kniplebrevet arrived today; Aage's scarf is, indeed, lovely and tempting, but my head is still wired... g - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Positive attitude
Jane wrote: Positive attitude helps prevent grey hair too. At 61 I only have half a dozen grey hairs. My mother only had few when she died at 76. Both my brothers were white by the time they were 50. One of my ambitions is to have grey hair - dark brown hair and wrinkles don't go together. I swore I'd never dye my hair after I saw a woman standing in the rain with (obviously not permanent) black hair dye running down her face. Too embarassing for words! Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Poem
This has been around for a few years, but it bears repeating. When an elderly lady died in the geriatric ward of a small hospital near Dundee, Scotland, it was felt that she had,nothing left of any value. Later, when the nurses were going through her meager,possessions, they found this poem. Its quality and content so impressed the staff that copies were made and distributed to every nurse in the hospital. An Old Lady's Poem~ What do you see, nurses, what do you see? What are you thinking when you're looking at me? A crabbit old woman, not very wise, uncertain of habit, with faraway eyes? Who dribbles her food and makes no reply When you say in a loud voice, I do wish you'd try! Who seems not to notice the things that you do, and forever is losing a stocking or shoe. Who, resisting or not, lets you do as you will, with bathing and feeding, the long day to fill Is that what you're thinking? Is that what you see? Then open your eyes, nurse; you're not looking at me. I'll tell you who I am as I sit here so still, as I do at your bidding, as I eat at your will. I'm a small child of ten with a father and mother, brothers and sisters, who love one another. A young girl of sixteen, with wings on her feet, dreaming that soon now a lover she'll meet. A bride soon at twenty -- my heart gives a leap, remembering the vows that I promised to keep. At twenty-five now, I have young of my own, who need me to guide and a secure happy home. A woman of thirty, my young now grown fast, bound to each other with ties that should last. At forty, my young sons have grown and are gone, but my man's beside me to see I don't mourn. At fifty once more, babies play round my knee, again we know children, my loved one and me. Dark days are upon me, my husband is dead; I look at the future, I shudder with dread. For my young are all rearing young of their own, and I think of the years and the love that I've known. I'm now an old woman and nature is cruel; 'Tis jest to make old age look like a fool. The body, it crumbles, grace and vigor depart, there is now a stone where I once had a heart. But inside this old carcass a young girl still dwells, and now and again, my battered heart swells. I remember the joys, I remember the pain, and I'm loving and living life over again. I think of the years all too few, gone too fast, and accept the stark fact that nothing can last. So open your eyes, people, open and see, not a crabbit old woman; look closer .see ME!! ~*~ Remember this poem when you next meet an old person who you might brush aside without looking at the young soul within We will one day be there, too! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Breast lump 2
Vicki, I'm so glad that your problem turned out OK in the end. I'm sure that sharing these experiences with the extended family of Arachne is comforting and encouraging both to the person with the problem and to others who might encounter it later. There's nothing worse than ignoring something until it's too late. So much can be done nowadays. On a lighter note, I've just been listening to a vet on local radio talking about neutering dogs and bitches. It appears that if a bitch has a hysterectomy before her third menstrual cycle, the risk of breast cancer becomes almost zero. So there's something to think about. :-D Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Grey Hair
Jean, I've never had children to worry about, but white hair runs in my family, so you get it whether or not. My grandfather was nicknamed Snowy at school, because his hair was already white when he was eight years old. Linda Walton. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Grey Hair
H. Muth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 41, my hair is well beyond 'salt and pepper'... even though an 82 year old woman told me just last week that I look 'no more than 55'! My answer to that kind of remark is always that 'my hair is much older than my body'. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Grey Hair
At the age of 28, I went to our local off licence (which I visited regularly with the children) to buy a bottle of cider. It was the first time I was asked and it had been legal for me to buy alcohol for 10 years. I had nothing with me to prove my age, but managed to purchase the cider anyway - probably more the result of my shocked response that I was 28 than anything. Don't think it would be a problem now, as at 38 I am definately going grey - and my husband just cannot understand why I don't want to dye it. Age is notoriously difficult to estimate. I once worked in a library, where senior citizens (as they were then called) were entitled to waived fines on overdue books and we had to check their library tickets for eligibility. The number of times I had to apologise for asking to see the library ticket of those who were under the age limit. At least apologising to those where I had underestimated the age and asked for the money was easier. It wasn't just me that had the problem either. Karen, in Coventry Ruth wrote: Then I was very small and skinny when I was a young adult - and was so annoyed when people thought I was still a teenager when in fact I was in my twenties and married!! The crowning indignity was when, with a toddler by the hand and the newest baby on my hip, I went into the local butcher's shop to be asked: what can I do for you, girlie?? To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Grey hair
Mine began to go silver-grey in my late forties - and for a while I had a spot on one side near the top about an inch across that was totally grey, while all the rest was still medium-brown. People would ask me why I didn't dye it, and I'd look them straight in the eyeball and say, People pay EXTRA for this! Why should I try to get rid of it? Now I'm all grey - but not that snowy white, it looks more like dew-retted flax, sort of beige-silver. It's down past my waist, a definite no-no to my mother (if you are over 25 your hair ought to be cut shorter or pinned up)... but it's inexpensive and easy to maintain. I trim the split ends out, and occasionally nip a bit off the end by holding the tail over the top of my head till it's in front of my eyes. Alas, it isn't very thick, so braids just don't do well. -- -- Martha Krieg [EMAIL PROTECTED] in Michigan To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Grey hair
I got my first white hairs as a teenager. My aunt would cut my hair, and pull out the white hairs. My mother had pure white hair in her early thirties. She always claimed that it was because of having us children, so we caused it. When mine started turning so early, I thought I would get that white hair. Nope!!It just had white mixed with the brown until my fifties. It was mostly white for several years until I started taking vitamins with minerals. Some hair started coming in very dark. Now it's more salt-and-pepper than the pretty white I had 10 years ago. PS -- my mother started getting black hair mixed with the white after getting some medications in her last years. While I have grey hair, my brothers are getting NO hair. At least, I'm not bald! They have learned to wear hats to keep their heads warm, or protect from sunburn. Alice in Oregon -- where our spring weather has turned frosty. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace talks
Greetings, I just had two lace presentations. Last week it was a program for a Kiwanis club. I guessed that no one in the group really knew anything about lace. The program chairman was just eager to get 'anyone' to be a speaker. The talk featured the history of lace, and the lace industry about 300 years ago. I was guessing that these business people would relate to that part of lace. I received several pleased comments afterwards. Today I spoke to a church women's group. For this talk, I featured the styles of lace with the changing fashions over the years. Also -- the threads then and now. These were all retired ladies, but they were a very attentive audience. At each talk, I had a display of the lace I've made, and a table of antique laces of different styles. A couple small, old pieces of lace were basted to a colored fabric for easier handling, and passed around with magnifying glasses so they could see the find threads, and fine needlelace stitches. Samples of different threads were attached at the top of one fabric. Now I have the job of putting all those pieces of lace away. Sigh. Why does it always take longer to put in away than to take it out Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Grey Hair
Have been enjoying this thread... :) My father was salt and pepper ever since I can remember (which would put him around 40), and my my mother wasn't fully salt even when she died (at *about* 80 -- nobody ever knew her exact birth-year), despite my being a difficult child; I waited with baited breath to see whose genes I inherited, and it seems my mother wins; at 54.5, I still have *no* silver enhancing my mouse-colured head... Like Ruth, I too used to be small and young-looking until about 30 (after that, I was just small; *my* woes came out in the face, not on top of my head g). My Mother used to ket a kick (and embarassed me no end -- that's where I got the idea of how to embarass my own offspring g) out of taking me with her to the cinema, and refusing to show the proof I *was* of age to see a film (As her mother, I'll take the responsibility for her possible demoralisation, she'd say to the stodgy ticket-takers). I used to *writhe*, when not only I, but all the people with me as well, were evicted from a caffee/wine cellar for lack of age -- there were times when I was refused even *coffee* -- never mind a beer -- and I was 21; 3 yrs past the official drinking age... But my two most memorable triumphs(?) came after I came to US... 1) I was almost 29, when my DH asked me to buy a sixpack (of beer) for him at a drugstore. I was told to take a hike (the toddler on my hip? These days, children have children; it's no proof was the response), and he ended up buying his beer himself, as I had nothing to prove my age (didn't learn to drive till I was 40, so had no license) 2) I was -- almost g -- picked up by a teenager on a beach. Since Danek was about 5 then, I must have been 32 or so. We were looking for interesting shells, when a male person, of about 16, came up from behind, and tried to chat me up... I turned around, and he re-thought (but didn't *faint*; perfect manners to the bitter end; must have been Virginia born-and-bred g)... In Poland, we used to have a saying which described the situation precisely: z tylu: liceum; z przodu: muzeum (from the back: a high school; from the front: a museum). Given that my DH (Danek's father) is 25yrs my *senior*, that encounter had me in whoops for *weeks* (though I did my best to immitate a VA born-and-bred person myself, and *did not* laugh in the poor boy's face) g - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
