[lace] Storing Napkins
Joy wrote: I take a muslin sheet out of the linen closet, Bear in mind that 'muslin' has several definitions and can mean different things in different countries. In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. It can also be used for window drapes. This isn't what Joy uses for sheets.:-) Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Storing Napkins
On 17 Oct 2008, at 04:39, Jean Nathan wrote: In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. UK butter muslin = N.Am. cheesecloth UK calico = N.Am. muslin (I think) I don't know what the translation of the N.Am. calico is. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Margot Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On 17 Oct 2008, at 04:39, Jean Nathan wrote: In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. UK butter muslin = N.Am. cheesecloth UK calico = N.Am. muslin (I think) I don't know what the translation of the N.Am. calico is. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot Here is what Wikipedia says about muslin, with UK and US variations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslin and here is what it says about calico http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_(fabric)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_%28fabric%29, with a word about what it means in the US. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Christine Springett's beads
Lace folks collect all sorts of different things, however has anyone collected (or are collecting) actual beads that Christine mentions in her book Spangles and Superstitions ? I have been looking out for them for some time and have found it a rather difficult collection to build up. PS. I know that David's name is on the author credit, but I suspect that this would be mostly Christine's work. (?) I think the book is out of print now. I have only ever managed to get a photocopy of it. Brian and Jean from Cooranbong, Australia -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3249 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] dilema
Dear Friends, How about using simple flour paste -- flour and water (mix and cook one minute in the microwave). It dissolves in water if you want to loosen it. This paste is used to mount fans leaves to fan sticks so should work on your backing fabric. My Granny always added a little Methylated Spirits to that glue - she said it stopped it going off and smelling. She used an awful lot of it in her Papier Mache and I still have a couple of examples which are just fine, even though they are now over 70 years old. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Christine Springett's beads
Hello Jean and Brian I bought the book directly from Christine when I went to one of her classes in May this year, and she also sells it at lace fairs. Many of their books are now self-published, so perhaps you'd need to contact her if you want a copy. Let me know and I'll let you have her address off list. Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK Brian Lemin wrote: Lace folks collect all sorts of different things, however has anyone collected (or are collecting) actual beads that Christine mentions in her book Spangles and Superstitions ? I have been looking out for them for some time and have found it a rather difficult collection to build up. PS. I know that David's name is on the author credit, but I suspect that this would be mostly Christine's work. (?) I think the book is out of print now. I have only ever managed to get a photocopy of it. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Storing Napkins
When I went to convention in Rockford, I wanted to take some of my lace pieces with me - unfolded. So I got DH to cut me a section of PVC pipe the length I needed. I used the 2 pipe for these pieces, and used a piece of navy blue cotton which I had pre-washed. I cut it the same width as the pipe, serged the edges, and made a tube hem in one end which slipped over the pipe fairly snugly. The cotton was cut long enough to accommodate the pieces I wanted to take. The advantage, other than the small space it took in my luggage, was that once there, all I had to do was roll out the fabric, and the lace was nicely displayed against the blue background. I was pleased with this solution. But... I do wonder about the long-term effects of PVC, so am interested in Jeri's comments too. Clay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For something precious, it would be well to use an acid-free tube, or wrap the tube with buffered paper before wrapping it in muslin. The buffered-paper option is probably both cheaper and more reliable than looking for acid-free tubing.- Most home improvement stores sell PVC pipe. I'm pretty sure polyvinyl chloride is inert and neutral pH. Jeri can correct me if I'm wrong. The stuff is reasonably inexpensive and, with acid-free tissue or very clean muslin around it, should be very good for wrapping textiles around. Any comments, Jeri? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Storing Napkins
My wife uses a similar arrangement for her small patchwork projects but she uses a Post Office posting tube, made of cardboard. The one she uses is about 18 inches long and about 2 inches in diameter. - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Storing Napkins When I went to convention in Rockford, I wanted to take some of my lace pieces with me - unfolded. So I got DH to cut me a section of PVC pipe the length I needed. I used the 2 pipe for these pieces, and used a piece of navy blue cotton which I had pre-washed. I cut it the same width as the pipe, serged the edges, and made a tube hem in one end which slipped over the pipe fairly snugly. The cotton was cut long enough to accommodate the pieces I wanted to take. The advantage, other than the small space it took in my luggage, was that once there, all I had to do was roll out the fabric, and the lace was nicely displayed against the blue background. I was pleased with this solution. But... I do wonder about the long-term effects of PVC, so am interested in Jeri's comments too. Clay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For something precious, it would be well to use an acid-free tube, or wrap the tube with buffered paper before wrapping it in muslin. The buffered-paper option is probably both cheaper and more reliable than looking for acid-free tubing.- Most home improvement stores sell PVC pipe. I'm pretty sure polyvinyl chloride is inert and neutral pH. Jeri can correct me if I'm wrong. The stuff is reasonably inexpensive and, with acid-free tissue or very clean muslin around it, should be very good for wrapping textiles around. Any comments, Jeri? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 3531 (20081017) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3258 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Harry Armstrong's cottage industry and the Springett's bead book
I have the edition of Spangles and Superstitions that was published in 1987. It was published by CD Springett, and there is an interesting story at the very end of the book about the possible end of Harry Armstrong's equipment...someone told the Springett's that when space was needed for storage during WWII, that ten truckloads of equipment were removed and dumped in some nearby sandpits! (another person says they were burned). The different recollections in the story were about an event that had happened just about 40 years earlier. (Write down your memories!) Would love to know what happened to all those patterns and bobbins! (as well as the pillow, pillow horse, and bobbins that the lad threw into the pond in the illustration in Romance of the Lace Pillow) I wonder if they were special bobbins, like mother babes, or if they were utilitarian type bobbins, just to keep lacemakers supplied with something if they needed it. I remember Lia Baumeister was given some bobbins that had been discovered when they were digging during work in Amsterdam. Maybe one day, someone will discover a treaure trove of similar English bobbins that have survived at the bottom of a dried up pond or a sand pit... sigh Debbie in Florida [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Fabric
Could someone tell me of a fabric supplier that sells a printed fabric called Lace lady??? Or if anyone has a piece I could buy. DaphneNorfolk England _ See the most popular videos on the web - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] (no subject)
Hi Debbie I have the same edition. I don't know whether the booklet was ever reprinted in a different version. Over the original printer's details (Apex Printers Ltd.) is a nameaddress sticker of the Springetts. As regards the lace items that were dumped, you have got me interested in what happened to the place where they were dumped. Most likely by now there'll be houses or a shopping complex on top of them. I actually visited the Cottage in Olney last year with some other lace makers, but I had not read the booklet at that time. Just had a look at Google maps, and it looks like the new town of Milton Keynes is built on top of most of the sand pits. Agnes - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] dilema
If you have enough thread length to sew in, but not enough to thread a needle, you could try using a thread loop to weave it in, i.e. folding a fine thread in half and feeding the loop through the eye of a needle as has been described here for doing sewings or adding beads. I've used this method for weaving in short threads in lace and in my other needlework. Lisa Thompson in Plano, Texas USA Rhiannon wrote: I have some ends from sewing out which have come undone from their knot ... I am trying to sew these out through some fabric backing but very short now! Does any one know of a miracle to solve this issue? fray check from the other side of fabric? I'm sure as always someone will have a cunning plan! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins on Tube
Dear Lace Friends, On the subject of rolling napkins for storage, I really liked Alice's advice. But then, more comments and questions arose. I have been to quite a few museum-sponsored conservation lectures and never heard PVC pipe mentioned in the lectures as a good choice for delicate textiles, so cannot make a recommendation on that. It may be perfectly OK, but I hesitate to absolutely endorse. Following is the most streamlined and lightweight solution I can suggest for those who are storage-space challenged Take a clean cardboard tube that has little glue (a bug attractant) and roll heavy duty quality aluminum foil (the kind used in your kitchen - brand names will differ in different countries) around the tube to more than completely cover and seal the tube, including closing off the open ends by pinching or twisting the ends to avoid wood pulp off-gasing from inside the tube out the two ends -- this is why you should not roll up textiles and put them inside tubes, which I believe one correspondent mentioned. Being sealed by the aluminum should deter bugs. As I write this, I realize that using foil around PVC would also work to prevent any problems I cannot imagine at this time. If you are going to travel and exhibit something rolled like this, then do as Clay suggests and roll your display cloth right along with your lace. If your lace needs a little padding in the roll, then use an appropriate white or ecru cloth. The original letter was about red napkins with lace. I presume the napkins were pre-washed before the lace was sewn on, and there was absolutely no dye running. In a damp climate this is important. A bit of white cloth or acid-free tissue rolled along with the napkins will show stains if they develop, and you can react to what is happening. Another suggestion: Do not iron fold creases. Over time, and in some climates, fabrics weaken along ironed creases. Therefore, seek a tube that is long enough to not need to fold napkins before rolling. And another: Do not starch before storing. Starch and iron them when you are ready to use. Stored items containing starch can discolor. In giving this advice, I am aware there are many different starch formulas used in our world, and some react over time differently than others. I try to write to Arachne suggestions that will not cause harm no matter where you are. Store your tubes of lace in a clean/dry place, and unroll them a couple times a year to check their condition. Put the unroll and check dates on your calendar, so you won't forget. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/17/2008 12:20:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For something precious, it would be well to use an acid-free tube, or wrap the tube with buffered paper before wrapping it in muslin. The buffered-paper option is probably both cheaper and more reliable than looking for acid-free tubing.- Most home improvement stores sell PVC pipe. I'm pretty sure polyvinyl chloride is inert and neutral pH. Jeri can correct me if I'm wrong. The stuff is reasonably inexpensive and, with acid-free tissue or very clean muslin around it, should be very good for wrapping textiles around. Any comments, Jeri? Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins
Margot, I would define N.Am calico as a N.Am muslin weight fabric with a flowered print. N.Am muslin is a plain light weight fabric of 'natural' or white color. Lorri On 17 Oct 2008, at 04:39, Jean Nathan wrote: In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. UK butter muslin = N.Am. cheesecloth UK calico = N.Am. muslin (I think) I don't know what the translation of the N.Am. calico is. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbothttp://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins on Tube
Thank you all very much. I have had a few helpful emails about this now, some are now clearer after reading this one Jeri. My lace is ruby coloured on prewashed ruby fabric, pressed not needing to be starched. (I had some excellent help with this earlier in the year when finishing the napkins). As I am expecting to use these napkins from time to time following this proceedure should work very well, store, use, clean and return until the next time. What a great idea. I have saved this email to remind myself of all the essential information. What a wonderful mine of information and help you all are. Thank you very much. Sue T, in sunny but chilly Dorset UK. Dear Lace Friends, On the subject of rolling napkins for storage, I really liked Alice's advice. But then, more comments and questions arose. I have been to quite a few museum-sponsored conservation lectures and never heard PVC pipe mentioned in the lectures as a good choice for delicate textiles, so cannot make a recommendation on that. It may be perfectly OK, but I hesitate to absolutely endorse. Following is the most streamlined and lightweight solution I can suggest for those who are storage-space challenged Take a clean cardboard tube that has little glue (a bug attractant) and roll heavy duty quality aluminum foil (the kind used in your kitchen - brand names will differ in different countries) around the tube to more than completely cover and seal the tube, including closing off the open ends by pinching or twisting the ends to avoid wood pulp off-gasing from inside the tube out the two ends -- this is why you should not roll up textiles and put them inside tubes, which I believe one correspondent mentioned. Being sealed by the aluminum should deter bugs. As I write this, I realize that using foil around PVC would also work to prevent any problems I cannot imagine at this time. If you are going to travel and exhibit something rolled like this, then do as Clay suggests and roll your display cloth right along with your lace. If your lace needs a little padding in the roll, then use an appropriate white or ecru cloth. The original letter was about red napkins with lace. I presume the napkins were pre-washed before the lace was sewn on, and there was absolutely no dye running. In a damp climate this is important. A bit of white cloth or acid-free tissue rolled along with the napkins will show stains if they develop, and you can react to what is happening. Another suggestion: Do not iron fold creases. Over time, and in some climates, fabrics weaken along ironed creases. Therefore, seek a tube that is long enough to not need to fold napkins before rolling. And another: Do not starch before storing. Starch and iron them when you are ready to use. Stored items containing starch can discolor. In giving this advice, I am aware there are many different starch formulas used in our world, and some react over time differently than others. I try to write to Arachne suggestions that will not cause harm no matter where you are. Store your tubes of lace in a clean/dry place, and unroll them a couple times a year to check their condition. Put the unroll and check dates on your calendar, so you won't forget. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/17/2008 12:20:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For something precious, it would be well to use an acid-free tube, or wrap the tube with buffered paper before wrapping it in muslin. The buffered-paper option is probably both cheaper and more reliable than looking for acid-free tubing.- Most home improvement stores sell PVC pipe. I'm pretty sure polyvinyl chloride is inert and neutral pH. Jeri can correct me if I'm wrong. The stuff is reasonably inexpensive and, with acid-free tissue or very clean muslin around it, should be very good for wrapping textiles around. Any comments, Jeri? Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins
As I have made clothing for our living history camping for a number of years I do have a lightweight natural calico fabric in my stash. My husbands shirts are always made out of that, plus a few drawer string bags for totting stuff about and for hiding plastics:-) I will need to go hunting. Sue T, dorset UK I would define N.Am calico as a N.Am muslin weight fabric with a flowered print. N.Am muslin is a plain light weight fabric of 'natural' or white color. Lorri On 17 Oct 2008, at 04:39, Jean Nathan wrote: In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. UK butter muslin = N.Am. cheesecloth UK calico = N.Am. muslin (I think) I don't know what the translation of the N.Am. calico is. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbothttp://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Storing Napkins
On 10/17/08 3:39 AM, Jean Nathan wrote: In the UK the word muslin usually refers to butter muslin which is a very fine, see-through, loosely woven cotton which is useful for steaming and straining in the kitchen,and was used to cover meat in a butchers - a light-weight gauze. It can also be used for window drapes. This isn't what Joy uses for sheets.:-) It is, in fact, scenery muslin: http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/3624-AA.shtml?lnav=fabric_cotton.html If I ever wear my muslin sheets out, I'll buy something a bit lighter in weight -- when I bought them, quilt lining, which wears out almost instantly, was the only alternative. Which is the main reason my sheets have lasted so long: expecting them to wear out promptly, I bought enough muslin to make two sets of three even though I already had two muslin sheets, then I got tired of the fabric for the second set cluttering my stash and moved it into the linen closet. It take a long time for a sheet to work its way to the top of the stack. But I've made one thinning sheet into pillowcases, tore another into a pair of sofa-bed sheets, and started keeping one sheet in the quilt box. Another five years and I should need to make new sheets! The muslin protecting my embroidery is thinner, but still sheeting weight. Butter muslin would be hopelessly unsuitable. I suspect that butter muslin is a particularly fine variety of cheesecloth -- such cheesecloth as I've seen had rather large holes between the threads. It's mostly found in the form of dust rags. (I presume that better cheesecloth was available when Aunt Lois made her own cottage cheese.) (I use a stainless-steel steamer when I want to drain yogurt to make dip.) I think that only quilters say calico in North America now, and use it to mean tiny sprigged prints that are supposed to look old fashioned. I believe that calico used to mean what we called cotton print in my youth, and now call quilter's cottons. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where it's a lovely fall day and house painters are walking around on my roof. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Antique Dutch Bobbins/ Lia Baumeister
Dear Debbie and Bobbin Collectors, The subject line title above has been changed from Harry Armstrong's cottage industry and the Springett's bead book, to correspond with the part of Debbie's memo about antique Dutch bobbins (text at bottom of this letter). I took the lace tour in connection with the Groningen OIDFA Congress this past Summer. We went to the Rembrandt House in Amsterdam, and Lia Baumeister was in the kitchen area with 3 lacemaker-demonstrators. There was a display case showing original old Dutch bobbins. The story, as I understood it, was that a bobbin was found in the house's cess pit (outdoor privy) at the back of the property, the contents being dated to about the first quarter of 1600's, whereas Rembrandt lived in the house for about 20 years, starting in 1639. From this found bobbin, historians have determined that lacemakers probably lived in the house in the early 1600's Similar, but not exactly the same, bobbins can be seen in OIDFA Number 4, 2007, page 27. I think there was an article by Lia about the Rembrandt house laces, and if someone can find it in a bulletin, it may have a picture of the actual found bobbin. Reproduction wooden bobbins are available in the gift shop of the house. They are rather slender, 3 1/2 in length, with a round bead-shaped bulb (about 5/8 in diameter) to add weight, and cost 5.95 Euros each in July 2008. Finish is either light or dark. I chose the dark because it looked more antique. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/17/2008 9:19:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I remember Lia Baumeister was given some bobbins that had been discovered when they were digging during work in Amsterdam. Maybe one day, someone will discover a treaure trove of similar English bobbins that have survived at the bottom of a dried up pond or a sand pit... sigh **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
