Re: [lace] Christening gown
Hi Donna If you can get hold of a copy of Eeva Liisa Kortelahti's Nyplättyä Pitsiä / Bobbin Lace - which is no doubt out of print now as it was published in 1981 - there is a scale pattern for a christening gown which is nearly all straight lines to make a simple modern dress. The yoke and the front of the skirt are pointed and trimmed with lace edging with corners and several short pieces of edging with one corner are stitched over the front panel. Brenda On 11 Feb 2011, at 06:44, Dona Bushong wrote: I wondered if there was a sewing pattern that came with this lace pattern? Or if anyone has something similar they'd be willing to share with me. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What would YOU do?
Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience! Carol, I think the answer lies in that sentence. If you add to that all the years all the rest of us have demonstrated without having met such vile people, then you were extremely unlucky, and lightning rarely strikes twice. Yes, share your beautiful lace and bobbins with the world, but at the same time take a few more precautions. As you say many beautiful bobbins I assume they were spangled Midlands. How about using some invisible thread/fishing line through the spangles, knotted around a pin through every 10 or so pairs, so that first of all it is not obvious how they are held, and secondly it would be not so easy or quick for them to be released. They can then be spread out as if in work. Another thing is to make sure that it is not in a place where it could possibly be accidently knocked over, such as at the back of a larger display table that should solve that, as well as making it harder for it to be interfered with. Put it down to experience, and we have all learnt that if we should ever meet such unpleasant people, we need to be up on our feet quickly, quietly moving nearer to intervene. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] What would YOU do?
Hi Carol, I always take a simple piece with me when I am in any situation where I am likely to have people watch me work (i.e. lace fairs or lace days), although I make it a point that at least it is Maltese lace, especially for fairs abroad. It's true that a complicated piece will mean lots more Oohs and Aahs, but in those situations I won't be able to work much at all. I also feel that if anyone is in any way inclined to try our art, it would be far more beneficial for him/her to see a normal piece because a piece that is very complicated may put them off. The only time I worked in public on a complicated piece was when I wanted to impress because we were being filmed for local TV and it was an old Maltese pattern that I was working. Karen in Malta. -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Carol Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:12 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Unfortunately there do exist incredibly egregious people in the world. There are also axe and serial murderers. Fortunately we don't usually meet up with such people, they are, thank God, rare. Shame the woman didn't 'trip' over things. This pair, and what a pair they were, deserve our sympathy for not having been taught better. You were making a chalice cover. An appropriate prayer would involve a request that they they gain the ability to learn common decency and basic consideration for others. Fortunately, lacemaking does not attract such barbarians, and the likelihood of encountering their like is so small as to be non-existent. Just don't bring the chalice cover to demos. I am so sorry this happened to you. You certainly don't deserve it. But as we know, bad things do happen to good people. lrb -Original Message- From: Carol nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com Sent: Feb 12, 2011 5:12 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Carol - what a shame that happened to you. I hope you can get the rest of the 'mess' sorted out with no broken threads etc. I had an incident, but with no malicious intent, when I was making lace at an old heritage farm - 1850's houses with earth and straw floors. I had temporarily put my pillow on my chair while I stretched and had turned away to look at someone else's lace. There were no visitors in the farmhouse at the time. While my back was turned, a little boy of about 6 came in and walked over to look at my pillow. He put his hands on the front corners of the pillow and leaned over. Of course, the pillow flipped over and landed face down in the straw. The look on the kidlet's face was a picture of horror and alarm, especially as his mum came in just at that moment. I did Jacquie's trick of holding the pillow upside down while the bobbins untangle themselves and then carefully tipped it flat again. Luckily there were no broken bobbins or threads. Malvary in Ottawa where it is only -5c with windchill of -12c today. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
I am s sorry to hear about your experience. Look at it this way: once you have untangled the mess and finished the lace, it will represent even more than a memorial to your late husband. It will also represent your ability to rise above the obstacles that you meet in a gracious and successful way - you are a true lady! I, on the other hand, know that I would have responded differently. I would have immediately gone over to the pillow and told the brat not to touch. If her mother didn't get it, I would have stopped the girl and moved the pillow away from her. I would have asked them both to leave if they couldn't respect the property of others. And, in so doing, I would have given lacemakers a black eye, perhaps. When I demo, if I take a nice project (and I have been known to do that), I put it on a display table slightly out of reach to the public, but within my own reach and eyesight (just so my bobbins don't become souvenirs!). I was demonstrating once with a large pillow filled with beautiful bobbins (although the project was quite simple), and a woman came over with two brats who were eating dripping ice cream cones. The little girl reached into my pillow with a grubby hand and tried to pick up a bobbin. I caught her by the wrist (gently) and moved her hand away. She started screaming and throwing a tantrum, and her mother said, Oh why can't she have one? You have so many!. I asked the woman to please take the children out of the display area until they had finished their ice cream and had had a good wash of hands and face. She looked stunned, but did as I asked and left. They did not come back. Clay On 2/12/2011 5:12 AM, Carol wrote: As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: What would YOU do?
girl...about14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch...took offence...the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. Carol in Suffolk Here is where they say No good deed goes unpunished! You bring something to benefit and share, and someone thinks of only themselves. It reminds me of when taking a painting class, sometimes the instructor reaches in, sans permission, and adulterates the painting. Or someone invited for tea, thinks they can ask for (or take) a tour of your home. The world has changed, and entitlement seems to empower takers, taking a toll on givers. I have learned to try to not offer up things that are more important to me than whom I am considering sharing them with, whether that is to not give a lace shawl to someone who may throw it in the washer, or think about the possibility of loss when things are on display. (I worked in a store where the most beautiful needlework pieces, were often stolen.) The best I have found, is to say a prayer about the situation and them (including yourself), and ask God to handle it. Amazing things can result, but I pray that they create a new awareness about their effect on others. I call it the save myself $2, even if ti ends up costing you $200 or $2000 mentality. You are either a part of the problem, or the solution, which many are never taught to think of. You took care of your part in the situation, trying to benefit. Then as I would unfurl every twist or knot, I would see it as a blessing of removing any negativity from myself, and as a blessing of the love between my husband and myself and that our legacy of love, lives on in the piece. Just as your marriage and relationship always transformed negativity to love, so does it repeat itself in the actions of creating this beautiful piece of work. Best blessings to you! Susan Reishus - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Now THAT is a hubby to treasure!! From: The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com To: lace@arachne.com; Carol nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com Sent: Sat, February 12, 2011 8:09:38 AM Subject: Re: [lace] What would YOU do? BTW hubby has just come back and is still muttering about 'don't they understand the amount of work that goes into it ' Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ Here is my husband's horrified reply to your question. Actually you'd do nothing because you are too nice (believe me he's wrong - it would have ended with blood but ...). You would not have said anything but I would have. I know how much time and effort goes into your work and for them to have done that (and in muttering as he left room to get lunch . muttering continues as he comes back ) I'd have told them in no uncertain terms (muttering continues as he goes out back door). ... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Although I don't dispute that there are a lot of people out there that are so rude as to take your breath away, there are also people who are mentally ill, autistic, or have attention deficit disorder. Sometimes the people who are with them, rather than disclosing this information (and that can be risky if the disabled person is prone to anger) try to cover for them. I have to wonder if something like this is happening when the situation is that weird. And yes, what can you do to protect yourself from these situations, except leave things home. Devon who once visited a museum in Spain with someone who was having a schizophrenic break - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Whereas when I asked my hubby the same question the answer was you'd have called them everything from a pig to a dog and told them how long it had taken you to get that far!! If she had been a lacemaker she a. wouldn't have fiddled with it, and b. would have appreciated what she'd done!! Sue in East Yorks On 12 Feb 2011, at 13:09, The Lace Bee wrote: BTW hubby has just come back and is still muttering about 'don't they understand the amount of work that goes into it ' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Re: What Would YOU do?
Hi Everybody: An elderly lacemaker told me this story back in 1981. She was interviewed by a reporter for a special interest article on her lacemaking and had her biggest work-in-progress on display, a Beds piece with hundreds of bobbins attached. The pillow had to be moved for a photo, and she insisted she move it herself, explaining it was trickier to move than it looked. But she was old and looked frail and when it came time to move it back, the nice young reporter leapt up and grabbed it to move it for her. And of course he dumped it on the floor. Spurting apologies, he knelt down and quickly hauled it back up onto the table, tangling the bobbins even further. At which point the lacemaker spoke sharply to stop him, and then, so he would know exactly what kind of trouble he had caused, she made him sit down and watch as she fixed the entire pillow. I believe she said it took about two and a half hours. I admit I would not have had the nerve to insist that he sit there for hours on end, but I admire her for doing it. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage?
I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable than me will Know what the traditional way of finishing off lace was. I'm only familiar with the fray check on braided or knotted pairs but surely there was a secure way of finishing before they came on the scene. Also are there any special steps to cutting into a length of yardage? I have gathered quite alot and would like to trim some items but I'm terrified to cut for fear of it all unraveling! What uses do you find for using trims Besides the usual? Kindest regards, L - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Good for you! Brenda On 12 Feb 2011, at 14:51, Clay Blackwell wrote: I asked the woman to please take the children out of the display area until they had finished their ice cream and had had a good wash of hands and face. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage?
Hello Lora and everyone I use scissors to cut the yardage ;) It doesn't unravel vigorously, and you would be confining the cut end within a stitched seam of some kind, yes? If the trim is hanging below the fabric, I would turn the end of the lace on itself, one or two pattern repeats, hand stitch the folded bit in place. On 2/12/11, Lora lorabutter...@btinternet.com wrote: Also are there any special steps to cutting into a length of yardage? I have gathered quite alot and would like to trim some items but I'm terrified to cut for fear of it all unraveling! -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage?
The message was: I'm only familiar with the fray check on braided or knotted pairs but surely there was a secure way of finishing before they came on the scene. My comment is: P l e a s e do not use fray check for bobbin lace or tatted pieces. In my experience, it will yellow your threads in a short amount of time. Susie Johnson Morris, Illinois Susie Johnson Morris, IL - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Fw: [lace] What would YOU do?
I think you showed great restraint. I think that to take beautiful lace for people to see and marvel at is good, but I think this particular piece is just too precious and priceless to be allowed near people without a real appreciation of the work skill and love that goes into that piece. I hope it is coming right for you, I only had to do this once and through my own fault in not making sure the pillow was completely flat on the table before I let go, so I have some idea of what you have to do. Good luck and please let us know when its all untangled and then maybe we can see a picture when its finished. Sue T Dorset UK Hi All, to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Show and Tell
Hello out there in lace land. I did a Milanese workshop with Jenny Macpherson today to work her beautiful pendant design. One of my fellow students was the lovely Pat Read who taught me to make lace in the first place. Anyway, I digress. I am so pleased with my lace that I thought I might share it with the world. If you are interested have a look here. http://bonitocraft.wordpress.com/ if not. Please feel free to ignore my ramblings. Claire Kent , UK Claire Allen www.bonitocrafts.co.uk Crafty stuff I want to show off. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage?
Just cut it. If it is cotton or linen it won't unravel any more than bought cotton lace. I assume if you are cutting it you are putting it into seams. If you are really worried, machine across the lace just inside the seam allowance where the stitches will be hidden. Don't forget that lace can/will shrink so it's a good idea to preshrink fabrics by washing them, and also shrink the lace by either washing and mangling (see the archives for details), or at the very least steam pressing. This will also help to 'set' the threads (just like Jello Malvary - private joke). Don't use fray check or similar as they go stiff and can discolour. If you are putting a ring of lace around the bottom or top of something and you are cutting it from yardage, as distinct from making it exactly the right size and doing sewings into the start, then you can sew a normal seam across before trimming one seam allowance a little smaller and tucking the ends of the longer allowance over it before catching the fold down flat on the wrong side (Google run and fell seam to get the equivalent in fabric). Or you can overlap the ends wrong side of one to the right side of the other, matching the pattern exactly, before oversewing either side of a pattern row and cutting the surplus from front and back in a similar way to the traditional Flanders or Binche join. If you look in some old needlework books it shows this sort of approach. A very high proportion of old lace was made and cut off the pillow, without disturbing the work in progress. Why would you want to waste time keep setting up the lace? Jacquie in the UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Carol I'd have been yelling and swearing and using all sorts of animal epithets on the two of them. The kind of spite you describe is way beyond the category of normal behavior. Possibly the real motive was envy. They knew they couldn't match you so spite made them destroy something they couldn't equal. Possibly it is a good idea not to take something so special as your chalice cover to a demonstration. Non-lacemakers will be impressed even by a 12 pair lace in torchon. For reasons other than spiteful visitors (which you probably will not encounter again in your lifetime) it might be good to leave the really special ones home. I remember doing an outdoor demonstration with my local guild many years ago. When I got home I worked on the Cluny piece some more. After I had 2 more repeats done I noticed that the lace I had just made was not the same color as what I had done during the outdoor demo. The demo portion was definitely gray in color. Outdoor dust had blown onto my pillow and dirtied the lace. There was a steady breeze than day, but not high winds. The one time I had to untangle a mess that somebody else made of my pillow, it was my cat. I had left the pillow on the top of a bookcase where my cats never went. So I thought it was safe. It was a Bucks point workshop piece that I was finishing up, and used lots of fragile Bucks bobbins with glass beads. I came home from work and found it upside down on the floor, with a few broken bobbins and several broken beads. And, of course, a huge tangle. I rounded the corner from the living room into the dinning room, saw the catastrophe, stopped dead in my tracks, and started yelling. Since it was several hours since the disaster had happened, it was gone from their memories and they had no idea why I was yelling. It took me 2-3 hours to untangle the mess, put the threads onto unbroken bobbins. I can report that my cats remained unstrangled, but it was a near thing. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Show and Tell
Hello Claire and everyone What a fine way to spend a Saturday :) Your Milanese pendant is beautiful! I was a bit perplexed as to the size comparison, not having a British ten-p coin handy and I went a-googling. The 10p coin is 24.5 mm in diameter, so just less than an inch. That is a dainty jewel you have made, with a neat finish. Thank you for sharing! On 2/12/11, Claire Allen cla...@bonitocrafts.co.uk wrote: http://bonitocraft.wordpress.com/ -- Bev on a *very rainy* Saturday in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada (hunkering down, at my lace pillow: a Torchon bookmark, of honey coloured silk) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: What would YOU do?
I'm not sure what I would have done, but. As an adult with Attention Deficit Disorder, and a parent of 3 children with ADD, I must point out that ADD is not an excuse for bad behavior. Nor can it be considered a mental illness. Sometimes people will have other issues and ADD. One of the criteria looked at in the diagnosis is how many projects a person starts and doesn't complete! With many projects in the works, Cherry Knobloch Chesapeake, Va USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] RE: What would YOU do?
Thank you, Cherry! As a (former) Mental Health Therapist, I emphasized that with my patients. To do otherwise is an disservice to them. I also worked for quite a few years with persons with developmental disabilities, and only the most profoundly affected individuals were unable to understand rules. The caretakers (often parents) of persons who have debilitating conditions are usually well-trained in the methods used to modify and control behavior in public situations. For that reason, my conclusion is that the mother of the child who knew no boundaries was also a person who knew no boundaries, and she completely lacked the ability to recognize the needs of anyone beyond herself and her mini-me. While she may have serious social issues, she does not need the sympathy of the rest of us who are at her mercy. It is only when the consequences for her behavior become intolerable will she seek a way to improve her situation. Ok... hopping off my soap box now. Back to making Lace!!! Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA USA On 2/12/2011 5:05 PM, Cherry Knobloch wrote: I'm not sure what I would have done, but. As an adult with Attention Deficit Disorder, and a parent of 3 children with ADD, I must point out that ADD is not an excuse for bad behavior. Nor can it be considered a mental illness. Sometimes people will have other issues and ADD. One of the criteria looked at in the diagnosis is how many projects a person starts and doesn't complete! With many projects in the works, Cherry Knobloch Chesapeake, Va USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] What would YOU do?
Lord, what a pair! People are just getting more and more spoiled, and typically, the adults are more badly spoiled than the kids! Yours, Villandra Thorsdottir Austin, Texas - Original Message - From: Carol nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 4:12 AM Subject: [lace] What would YOU do? Hi All, I am just looking at the lace pillow I spent all yesterday afternoon/evening attempting to untangle - I haven't touched it for several months since the 'accident' happened., but will have to sit and work at it again today, and until it is OK again. To explain.I was demonstrating with several 'Have-a-Go' pillows, and others on display, and with this one displayed, but with elastic across the bobbins, so that it couldn't be disturbed. However, I was sitting with one little girl, with the snake, when I noticed that another girl - probably about 14/15 - had undone the elastic, and was fiddling with the bobbins. I asked her not to touch, when the accompanying lady told me that the girl was very accomplished, had won prizes at school for handwork, and could only help me to finish the lace. I again asked her not to touch it, as it was quite special to me.I was very restrained, and polite, as I again told them it was a special piece, being a chalice cover I was making in memory of my late husband, but the lady took offence, as did the girl, and, as they turned away making impolite remarks, the woman 'accidentally' knocked the pillow and table, whereupon the pillow fell. The resulting tangle is what I am still attempting to remedy. In all the years I have demonstrated, I have never before had such an experience!Which explains the subject line - I was (and still am ) horrified that anyone could do such a thing, and although it has never happened before, it does make me wonder whether I will ever take pillows with complicated work, and many beautiful bobbins, to a display again. As I said - what woud you do? Carol - in Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] bobbins
Thank you, Brian, for posting that Ebay number for the Abbott bobbins,. As soon as I saw them I realized I had a similar one, - had a look for it, - and Yes! I have one!! So now I can add the makers name to it!! It is fairly slim, and I see I have spangled it, so it came down from Grandma without its original spangle. - Nevertheless, it works well!! - as do most of my old bobbins. I have one bone bobbin put away in the safe, as it has a damaged head which snags threads, but I use all the others. On another question, - I have the Digest form of Lace, and I have started getting messages (in this digest - 2 messages) that are total gobbledygook - from helene3...@yahoo.com Subject: [lace] OMG! did you block me on Yahoo? Are others getting it like this too? They scroll down quite a way, so take up a lot of the digest. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] bobbins
Yes, this is the second time this has happened. Maybe, there is somerthing wrong with her e-mail server. Sallie --Original Message-- From: Elizabeth Ligeti Sender: owner-l...@arachne.com To: arachne lacing ReplyTo: Elizabeth Ligeti Subject: [lace] bobbins Sent: Feb 12, 2011 17:55 Thank you, Brian, for posting that Ebay number for the Abbott bobbins,. As soon as I saw them I realized I had a similar one, - had a look for it, - and Yes! I have one!! So now I can add the makers name to it!! It is fairly slim, and I see I have spangled it, so it came down from Grandma without its original spangle. - Nevertheless, it works well!! - as do most of my old bobbins. I have one bone bobbin put away in the safe, as it has a damaged head which snags threads, but I use all the others. On another question, - I have the Digest form of Lace, and I have started getting messages (in this digest - 2 messages) that are total gobbledygook - from helene3...@yahoo.com Subject: [lace] OMG! did you block me on Yahoo? Are others getting it like this too? They scroll down quite a way, so take up a lot of the digest. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage?
I have a piece of lace on my travel pillow that every few metres I have cut and given away. As the others have said, I allow extra in the length for shrinkage and always roll it up and tack it then gentle wet, wash and dry so it shrinks. I also pre wash the material it's going with to make sure neither is going to shrink and the lace pucker. If the piece is being put into a seam (so the ends are invisible) then I would and have finished the end off with super glue (cheaper than fray check) so it's secure whilst I sew it in. And, standard super glue fails under heat and water so it will disappear in the first wash. If I want to join the ends then I would be tempted to actually make the piece from scratch rather than cut a lenght from an ongoing piece. Then I could make a sewing join from the end to the beginning. On my first piece of lace the teacher told me to cut the bobbins off after I sewed and knotted each pair about 3 inches from the knots. Then to roll the dangly bits of thread together and over sew them. I'd spent months making a beautiful piece of extremely find torchon only to completely ruin it in the finish. These days I do an invisible join - I make a sewing back into the first pin hole, cut the threads to about 5 inches then with a needle take each thread and sewing into the actual lace. It really does work and give a beautiful invisible join. L Kind Regards Liz Baker thelace...@btinternet.com My chronicle of my bobbins can be found at my website: http://thelacebee.weebly.com/ --- On Sat, 12/2/11, Lora lorabutter...@btinternet.com wrote: From: Lora lorabutter...@btinternet.com Subject: [lace] Finishing off traditionally and cutting yardage? To: lace@arachne.com Date: Saturday, 12 February, 2011, 19:48 I'm sure someone far more knowledgeable than me will Know what the traditional way of finishing off lace was. I'm only familiar with the fray check on braided or knotted pairs but surely there was a secure way of finishing before they came on the scene. Also are there any special steps to cutting into a length of yardage? I have gathered quite alot and would like to trim some items but I'm terrified to cut for fear of it all unraveling! What uses do you find for using trims Besides the usual? Kindest regards, L - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] bobbins/weird message
Hi everyone - not about bobbins, but the weird message is spam of some kind. Delete it. A shame it has to clutter the digests though :( On 2/12/11, bertra...@gmail.com bertra...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, this is the second time this has happened. ... On another question, - I have the Digest form of Lace, and I have started getting messages (in this digest - 2 messages) that are total gobbledygook - -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] What would YOU do?
You said, in the original message, that the lady said the girl did a lot of handcrafts - Well, I wonder about that! If she had done so much, she should have known that things take a lot of time to finish, and therefore should have been even more aware of the fine work you were doing on the pillow. That makes the whole thing even Worse, to my mind. If she never did any handcrafts, then perhaps there was an excuse for fiddling with the pretty bobbins, - but if she was as knowledgeable as the lady with her said, - then even more reason that she should have known better. I do hope you have got it sorted out now, but that will cast a bit of a shadow over the whole piece. I am so sorry. That Milanese pendant is beautiful. Well done. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Individual help required by Brian
I am going through a bad time realizing how much I do not know and how handicapped I am by not being a lace maker :( I have a special area of need that for a few reasons I am troubled about. It is probably best if a knowledgeable person and patient (very!) person who thinks that they can talk to me in idiot language, emails me personally. I need to get clear in my mind the historical use of (in simple, general terms) the following types of bobbins. I will need to know their use in geographical areas of England (Devon to east Midland) of the following types of bobbins ( I emphasize in general as I am sure I am asking a huge question) 1. Trailer and or trolly bobbins (Probably the the same) 2. Gimp bobbins 3. Tally bobbins and any other special bobbins on or near the pillow!. It might involve the type of lace even... who knows? I do know about quills and Yaks. (that at least is something!) Also you can assume that I know how to recognize these bobbins (I.e. 1,2,3) as a collector. Your very confused bobbin friend. Brian Brian and Jean From Cooranbong. Australia You can read my bobbin stuff on: http://tiny.cc/egb85 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Spanier arbeit
Dear spiders, I received an email from someone in NY who wanted to know whether I knew of anyone who makes Spanier arbeit today. Here's an article, if you're not sure what it is: http://www.thejewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=17496 The person who emailed me contacted David Farkas, mentioned in the article, but he wasn't interested in helping him. I was approached because he found this photo I took in the Israel Museum: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr/5076972597/in/photostream/ Best wishes, Avital -- Blog: http://apinnick.wordpress.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spindexr - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] RE: What would YOU do?
...One of the criteria looked at in the diagnosis is how many projects a person starts and doesn't complete! Cherry Knobloch Oh dear, this just confirms my suspicions - I have ADD but definitely NOT ADHD :-) Actually my daughter and 4 of my grandchildren have been diagnosed with ADD and I fear it stems from both my DH and I having mild doses that double whammies the descendants. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
RE: [lace] What Would YOU do?
-Original Message- From: On Behalf Of Adele Shaak she made him sit down and watch as she fixed the entire pillow. I believe she said it took about two and a half hours I love it ! Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] bobbins
Yes I've received two as well. Diana in Northants - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Ligeti lizl...@bigpond.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:55 PM Subject: [lace] bobbins Thank you, Brian, for posting that Ebay number for the Abbott bobbins,. As soon as I saw them I realized I had a similar one, - had a look for it, - and Yes! I have one!! So now I can add the makers name to it!! It is fairly slim, and I see I have spangled it, so it came down from Grandma without its original spangle. - Nevertheless, it works well!! - as do most of my old bobbins. I have one bone bobbin put away in the safe, as it has a damaged head which snags threads, but I use all the others. On another question, - I have the Digest form of Lace, and I have started getting messages (in this digest - 2 messages) that are total gobbledygook - from helene3...@yahoo.com Subject: [lace] OMG! did you block me on Yahoo? Are others getting it like this too? They scroll down quite a way, so take up a lot of the digest. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
