[lace] learing lace
From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net Subject: Re: [lace] help to learn technique In response, it is my understanding, although I could easily be wrong, that in the time when lace was made professionally, a new pattern would be taught, In the past lace workers were not 'taught' a pattern. They referred to 'learning' a piece of lace but meant interpreting a pricking, working out the best and most time efficient way of making it. Then they would go ahead and make it by the yard. In some cases pattern drafts were produced by specialist designers then prickings were made and distributed by the lace dealers to the lacemakers and the lacemaker would have to interpret it herself. You only have to look throught the 'Lace Dealer's Pattern Book' available from Luton Museum to see how varied the interpretations can be. There are also Bedfordshire and Bucks point prickings that we now consider were produced for competition purposes, possibly the judges of the competitions were not lacemakers. The arrangement of pins required for these prickings to be worked successfully would look strange to a non-lacemker hence the competitor arranged them in the way she thought gave her the best chance of winning. I have seen at least 3 interpretations of one Bucks point pricking in which there are some very unusual goings on in order to make it. The method of teaching using coloured diagrams was devised following the 2nd World War in an effort to enable those starving in continental Europe to learn to make lace as fast as possible in order to earn a living. This method proved excellent for this purpose i.e. producing yardage from a very limited number of prickings, but it does not teach you how to look at a pricking and interpret it. This is can be accomplished by starting with simple patterns and progressing slowly, introducing only 2 or 3 new techniques in each new piece and working each until you are comfortable with making the new techniques without referring to any books or diagrams and can recognise how and where they are used. A lace worker would expect her student to make a yard of each design. As you say, after producing a long piece you now understand it. There are plenty of books now available that describe how and where different techniques are used these will help you understand your lace better than using coloured route maps. Learning to 'read' a pricking, i.e. how to look at a pricking and work from it, is not a quick fix. That's where the coloured route maps come in. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Fit for a Princess at The Lace Guild Convention.
If any of the UK Arachne's know any fashion or textiles students, you might like to steer them towards the Lace Guild website where Jean has posted the entry form for Fit for a Princess. Tell them to spread the word to their friends and colleges. This is a competition being run to stimulate the awareness and use of lace as part of an outfit, rather than just using lace yardage to make the clothes. It has an A4 presentation to keep the postage costs down for the entrants and for handling logistics at The Hollies (as early Contrasts entries may be arriving at the same time). The entries are to be judged and exhibited at Convention in Kidderminster (another good reason to come) and there is a first prize of £100.00! Look in the convention section of the website (www.laceguild.org) for the link to the entry form. If you do join us, remember that the over all theme for the weekend is Dressed to Kill. With so much lace being used on fashion at the moment, there is no excuse for anyone to be without a bit if lace somewhere in their outfit, even if they didn't make it themselves. Even my iPhone case has black Point Ground lace printed on it. Also, if you are entering Contrasts, remember that you can bring your entry to Convention or to Sunday in Stourbridge to save posting it one way. Best wishes to you all Jacquie in Lincolnshre - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: help to learn technique
Thank you for all the replies. I am very new to lace making, only tried some torchon. I'm a technical person so if knew the theory/technique it is easier and faster to learn. I don't have anyone nearby to learn from, nearest person maybe 125 miles. I will try some more lace to get better acquainted and when I am stuck I will email again. thanks again JJ On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 8:50 PM, c s cskn...@gmail.com wrote: HI Is there a book or written instructions somewhere that explain how to do a pricking without someone writing out the directions? What I mean, is if I find a pricking, that I could make the pattern with nothing but that pricking? I have how to books on bobbinlace, so have the instructions for cross / twist, but I need to undertand the process to have all this make sense to me. thanks JJ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Napoleonic POWs and lace making.
From: Brian Lemin brid...@bigpond.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: [lace] Napoleonic POWs and lace making. I am just researching in preparation for writing and article on the recent find of a âNelsonâ Bobbin which was sold on ebay with the claim that it was made the Napoleonic POWs in England. (A claim, which at this point in my research, seems to be quite reasonable) I came across this statement which was new to me, as I am very âone eyedâ (excuse the pun) about my research being âbobbins onlyâ and lace barely gets a look in! [sorry] Here it is: â There was even an instance where the officers became far too successful in business, whereby they were banned from lace making, as it was affecting the local trade!â To read the full article go to http://www.mqmagazine.co.uk/issue-16/p-34.php If anyone has a special interest in the Napoleonic POWs, their creative artifacts and indeed about lace which they were involved in, I would be pleased to hear from them Brian. PS Was any of our members the purchaser of this bobbin? I would like to ask them a few questions. The seller gave me all his pictures and permission to use them, but I have a couple of queries. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III remains
Devon and Martha (and the rest of us) would be interested in the DNA results for the Princes in the tower. Now they have positive identification for the remains of Richard, I suspect they might well now look into that. It made sense to go for the big one which they could easily justify. This will give them the leverage for continuing with the princes - I expect, like everything else, it comes down to money and who will pay. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
At 04:39 AM 5/02/2013, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? No you are definitely NOT alone in that desire. I've read a number of fiction based on fact novels about them and most don't put the blame on Richard III at all. I prefer Sharon Penman's Duke of Buckingham theory. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Fw: Bear Counting with Rick Mercer
This is well worth watching x Bear Counting - hilarious Absolutely delightful... you gotta watch it!!! Bear Counting in Canada. This is wonderful and the audio is hilarious! Enjoy. This clip is great for animal lovers and young children -- Momma Bear and her three very young cubs in the wild of northern Ontario, Canada. Humane wildlife experts taking a winter bear census right in their hibernation dens. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=vJRDpTUIrJIvq=medium To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Hi David and All, Josephine Tey seems to blame Henry VII. The book also mentions books by Buck in the seventeenth century, Horace Walpole in the 18th and Markham in the 19th century that claim Richard III didn't kill the Little Princes! Guess that's why I thought it was real! Very interesting! Jane in Vermont, USA Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
It's appeared on our news today that funding is now being sought to excavate a grave in a Winchester church to see if it contains the remains of Alfred the Great. He reigned from 871 to 899. They think there are five skulls and other bones in the grave, but it will be even more difficult to find a living descendant to provide a DNA sample for comparison. York Minster has written to the Queen to request that Richard III be reburied in York Minster because he was crowned there. his son is buried there and several other reasons, but permission was given to exhume the skeleton at Leicester on the proviso that it was reburied in Leicester and by August 2013. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
York Minster has written to the Queen to request that Richard III be reburied in York Minster because he was crowned there. his son is buried there and several other reasons, but permission was given to exhume the skeleton at Leicester on the proviso that it was reburied in Leicester and by August 2013. Could an ignorant colonial ask, Why not Westminster? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma Jill Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III burial
Jill wrote: One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma But Westminster Abbey was also Catholic prior to the Reformation, so where is the problem? From the website: Westminster Abbey is steeped in more than a thousand years of history. Benedictine monks first came to this site in the middle of the tenth century, establishing a tradition of daily worship which continues to this day. The Abbey has been the coronation church since 1066 and is the final resting place of seventeen monarchs. The present church, begun by Henry III in 1245, is one of the most important Gothic buildings in the country, with the medieval shrine of an Anglo-Saxon saint still at its heart. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
Actually all old churches and cathedrals in the UK were Catholic in pre Reformation days - and there are hundreds of them around. Basically (I think) Anglican and the majority of Church of Scotland (Presbyterian)churches were originally Catholic. The only ones you can assume weren't are those built post Reformation. Certainly the village Church of Scotland building I was christened in dates back to the 13th century (with bits of 11th century) and is known to have been Roman Catholic and was, in fact, a Collegiate church. Patricia in Wales To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
Yes, but Westminster Abbey isn't in the running. Richard III was born in Yorkshire and funded building projects in York Minster - which was, at the time, a very important church - and is the largest gothic cathedral in northern Europe. Leicester Cathedral, on the other hand, though medieval, was just a parish church - it didn't become a cathedral until 1927. Many historians argue that Richard himself wished to be buried at York Minster. Tradition can go either way, and there are many traditions. You can be buried where you died or you can be buried where you were born or where your family is from or ... or ... I think York Minster has quite a good argument in its favour, but the permission to dig up the grave was only given on the understanding that he would be re-buried at Leicester. The whole question reminds me of one of Ellis Peters' excellent Brother Cadfael novels, wherein there was much jockeying by the abbeys to get hold of saint's relics or some other reason for people to visit the church - because visits meant donations and they wanted the money to aggrandize their church so they could get more visitors and more money and ... It will be interesting to see how it all works out. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) On 2013-02-05, at 11:06 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Jill wrote: One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma But Westminster Abbey was also Catholic prior to the Reformation, so where is the problem? From the website: Westminster Abbey is steeped in more than a thousand years of history. Benedictine monks first came to this site in the middle of the tenth century, establishing a tradition of daily worship which continues to this day. The Abbey has been the coronation church since 1066 and is the final resting place of seventeen monarchs. The present church, begun by Henry III in 1245, is one of the most important Gothic buildings in the country, with the medieval shrine of an Anglo-Saxon saint still at its heart. Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
And, I think you can assume that most of them were built on sacred springs that pre-dated Christian worship. Just sayin... From what it says about Westminster Abbey, it was built by Henry III, who was himself a Catholic and a Plantagenet! He's buried in Westminster Abbey. So, I am still a little confused about why the logical place for Richard III would not be Westminster Abbey. I am inclined to think that the Queen should step in and make a decision. It is totally unreasonable for tourists to have to travel all over England looking for Royal tombs. This must be resolved before they dig up King Alfred! Devon Actually all old churches and cathedrals in the UK were Catholic in pre Reformation days - /sets/ To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
The problem is that the condition for granting the exhumation was that the remains be buried in Leicester and by August 2013. Here at least you can't just go around digging up bones no matter how old they are - there are formalities that have to be gone through and permission has to be granted. Presumably whoever granted the permission for the exhumation would also have to agree to a change to the place of reburial and getting the Queen's permission might add weight to a request for a change, although he isn't one of her ancestors. He was the last king of the House of York (but isn't the same person as Richard of York; he was Richard III's father), and has no connection with Westminster. That's why York thinks they have a claim on the skeleton and I can see lengthy legal action by York Minster to get it changed which would be a shame to make it into a circus. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
A. I really don't see why the reburial of ancient bones should be determined by convenience to tourists and, as others have said, there are considerations which are really important. B. Actually, it would be good for tourists not to limit their visits to London (or Edinburgh or Cardiff, the three capitals) and see more of the country. The entire country is rich with history. Patricia in Wales And, I think you can assume that most of them were built on sacred springs that pre-dated Christian worship. Just sayin... From what it says about Westminster Abbey, it was built by Henry III, who was himself a Catholic and a Plantagenet! He's buried in Westminster Abbey. So, I am still a little confused about why the logical place for Richard III would not be Westminster Abbey. I am inclined to think that the Queen should step in and make a decision. It is totally unreasonable for tourists to have to travel all over England looking for Royal tombs. This must be resolved before they dig up King Alfred! Devon Actually all old churches and cathedrals in the UK were Catholic in pre Reformation days - /sets/ To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III facial reconstruction
There are several web sites which show the facial reconstruction, probably the best is: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/richard-iii-facial-reconstruction-shows-1586792 The portraits of him were discussed in the Channel 4 programme shown last night, and it was said that whoever commissioned a portrait would want him to appear as they wanted. As he had a reputation for being evil it would have been subtlely shown in the paintings by altering his features slightly without going as far as giving him a monobrow. The reconstruction has a neutral expression, but the features are close to those in portraits. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace-chat] Richard III burial
Patricia wrote: B. Actually, it would be good for tourists not to limit their visits to London (or Edinburgh or Cardiff, the three capitals) and see more of the country. The entire country is rich with history. Especially as the whole of England (excluding Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland - the other countries that make up the UK) is about the same size as either Louisiana or Alabama, and Texas is 5 times the area of England. We've got an awful lot of history and 56 million people crammed into that small space. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III burial
Actually, it would be good for tourists not to limit their visits to London (or Edinburgh or Cardiff, the three capitals) and see more of the country. The entire country is rich with history I guess I had better put little smiley faces whenever I am speaking facetiously... A lot of people don't seem to get my humor. Speaking from the standpoint of a person who has actually laid a white rose on the ruins of Barnard Castle, and visited Fontevraud Abbey, twice, I don't think I can be accused of taking the easy way out when it comes to English historical tourism :-) Devon who has actually walked over a thousand year old clapper bridge to pet a Dartmoor Pony in the county after which I was named To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
