[lace] Teaching and teaching skills
Hi Arachnids When I was chairman of the Education Sub-committee and working on the assessment schedules we worked on the presumption that the Advanced standard of the Lace Guild Assessments should be that suitable for a teacher. I then suggested that the Advanced certificate should include the words similar to the following. In the opinion of the Lace Guild this candidate has reached the standard in this subject required for teaching it. However, the Guild makes no claims as to the teaching ability of this candidate. It is possible that this may be accepted as a qualification in the subject. At the time I was working on it, in the 1980s, I was told it would have been acceptable. Blow the dust, lets make lace, I know there should be an apostrophe, what does one do in this case, can I use a question mark. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Michel Jourde patterns
Jenny, the Michel Jourde patterns came directly from him - I have bought several this year, I sent him my address and sent a cheque on receipt of the prickings. I gather from the blog that his children will continue the sales, but I should imagine it'll take some time before they can sort out the legal side - the French administration system knocks the wheels of God into a cocked hat! Michel Jourde will be greatly missed. He went on drawing until the end - his last creation on his site was dated 26th July. I shall be thinking of him during his funeral tomorrow, Tuesday, at 3pm. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace salamanders
I am also very sad to hear this piece of news. His patterns and his name are well known by me too. Now I have an extra desire to make the salamander: a kind of memorial to Michel Jourde. Thanks a lot to Susan who has so kindly sent me the pattern. Best regards. Antje González ww.vueltaycruz.es https://www.etsy.com/shop/TwistAndCross - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] Michel Jourde patterns
I am so glad I have a complete set of Lace Express - Michel Jourde is one of my favourite designers from that series. For anyone who is interested - - Michel Jourde, France 3/99, 2/00, 1/01, 3/01, Sp 01 Garden, 1/02, 2/02, 1/03, 2/03, 3/03, 4/03, 1/04, 2/04, 3/04, 1/05, 2/05, 3/05, 4/05, Sp 05 Garden II, 1/06, 4/06, 1/07, 4/07, Sp 07 Garden III, 3/08, 1/09, 2/09, 1/11, 2/11, 1/12, Special 12 Fashion II, 1/13, 2/13, 3/13, 4/13, Sp 13 Nature 2, 1/14, 2/14, Mary Carey - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] My thread confusion
I want to try out a pattern which I think might work in Finca thread (before I buy more to make one my projects in the coming months). I was quite confident that way back I picked up a spool of it in Hobbie Crafts at the same time as I bought the first block pillow for lace when I knew almost nothing about my new craft I had begun to learn. I hunted through my various boxes yesterday and didnât find it and checked the last of them this morning. Instead of Finca I found a thread called Filato per tombolo di cantu and looking at the label I think this is the one I bought new and the other two part spools I must have acquired via another lacemaker since, and yes i realise there is always so much more to learn and enjoy now. I know nothing about this thread but looking closer at the labels one say N 30, one N 40 and the other N 50 (am I right to think that is about thickness of thread?) On the ends of the plastic inner tube around which they are wound they all say GR25.Two of them look like white, not brilliant though and the other has a cream/ecru look to it. Having typed this out I have just got out Brendas magic book of threads and have the numbers listed in there and also checked out the Finca threads as well. What would we Lace makers do without this book? Can anyone who has used it advise me of how it works up and also I would love to know the kinds of lace you have used it for, even if you just used it for samples. I currently dont have enough hours in my day to personally try out all these things, so am hoping to benefit a little from the knowledge of you more experienced lace makers out there. Sue T Dorset Off to get some honey and lemon to sooth my cold symptoms [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of wlEmoticon-smile[1].png] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of wlEmoticon-sadsmile[1].png] - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] some Michel Jourde patterns for sale
I do not want to disturb the family for a pattern so am trying to find an alternate source for the Excalibur pattern by Michel Jourde and stumbled across this site that sells a lot of his patterns - not the sword unfortunately. http://www.ateliermb.ch/shops/dentelle/eu/contents/fr/d19.html Regards Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au mailto:je...@brandis.com.au www.brandis.com.au http://www.brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Michel Jourde patterns
One of my favourite designers too I am very sad to hear about his death Regards Carolina de la Guardia www.carolgallego.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] My thread confusion
Filato per tombolo di cantu is wonderful thread. My teacher when I learned to make lace highly recommended it. It makes excellent Torchon lace which holds its shape well, and it behaves beautifully while you are working with it. It is also available in brilliant white. I have used it for bookmarks, collars, cuffs (including a Lester pair in class with Holly van Sciver) Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com -Original Message- - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] My thread confusion
I have used Filato per tombolo di Cantu, both for making Cantu and for other things. As you have Brenda's book you can work out what size pattern it works with. I find that it is quite firm when worked and makes up very well. I used it for one of my samples for my Lace Guild Assessment. The GR25 is 25 grams and comes, if I'm not mistaken in bleached (white), half bleached (off white-beige) and unbleached (ecru). My first reel was bought when I did Cantu with Mary McPeek many years ago at the Finger Lakes Lace Weekend. When I got to class (early), I already had all my bobbins wound as I'd contacted Mary early and bought the thread from Holly van Sciver. As others were busy winding their bobbins, I decided to have a couple of minutes in the sales room. When I got back to class, several ladies were rewinding my bobbins with some thread that Mary McPeek had given them as they hadn't planned ahead. Class started almost immediately after so I didn't have time to put MY thread back on the bobbins and had to make do with the very old stuff provided. The bobbins were would every which way but up, some one way, some the other. The hitches ranged from single to double to a dreadful knot that took ages to loosen. I may sound calm, writing about it now, but I was SOOO angry that they would interfere with someone else's things. If my bobbins weren't wound I could perhaps understand that they were being helpful. I kept myself to myself for the rest of the weekend and didn't talk to any of my classmates because I thought I'd be very rude if I did. The other side of it was that I finished up the thread on the bobbins and only had the corner done and no thread to finish it. Another frustration and feeling of anger against all those who interfered. At Lace convention if there are part reels, I usually buy them, as I enjoy using the thread and have got over my earlier feelings. I also enjoy doing Cantu and like Sue wish there were more hours in the day to do more of what I enjoy. Malvary in Ottawa (the Nation's capital) where it is sunny and warm again and I'm off lawn bowling. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Michel Jourde
Sad news about Michel Jourde I am at present working the dragon he designed for Lace Express and as I have also been working on several other projects I'm sorry to say my dragon rather got pushed to the rear, so now I will get him down again and finish him in Michel's honour. Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] re: Lace teaching
I have followed the teacher evaluation and qualification thread with great interest, both as a student and as a teacher. Janice, I think it is a good idea to provide the evaluation form beforehand to IOLI teachers - especially the new ones - and also give guidelines to teachers as to how to deal with students who are either under and over qualified for a class, and those who demand much more than their fair share of class time. Maybe a short session at the Teachers Meeting? No matter how well a class is described by the teacher, different students will interpret it to mean different things. What does beginner, intermediate and advanced really mean? It varies from one lace maker to the next how they perceive their skills. More illustrations might help, and that is now possible on the websites. But even illustrations are open to interpretation. Some teachers who plan to write a book on their subject might be reluctant to give out written material, as it will be copied and distributed by students. It probably comes down to whether one teaches to share the love and knowledge of lace or as a business. Others might argue that one learns more from taking notes than receiving a handout, which may or may not make sense. I am personally in favor of clearly illustrated hand-outs. We all teach and learn in different ways. As a teacher I always learn something from my students while teaching. I have been very fortunate during my many years teaching lace making to have met a lot of wonderful people, and it always pleases me tremendously when I see my former students enjoy lace making, advance to a new technique, entering a contest, teaching, etc. That to me is the real payment for teaching. Karen in Washington, DC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
Karen brings up a good topic regarding whether one is a beginner, intermediate or advanced. A unified understanding of those terms might be a good idea in order to avoid people signing up for the wrong class. In NJ there were a lot of people who thought they were beginners, and did not have the courage to take a course calling for intermediate skills when I thought they probably were intermediates. I think of a beginner class as one where people are still learning to wind bobbins, make weaver's knots, learn half stitch, linen stitch and whole stitch (CTCT), possibly the rudiments of a torchon ground, and how to make a sewing edge. In NJ, I would have said that after the first three patterns people were probably in the intermediate level. How would others describe an intermediate? I don't have a ready definition for where intermediate passes into advanced, possibly it would include having experience with more than one bobbin lace discipline, like torchon plus point ground. What do others think? It would be nice if we could provide general guidelines for convention classes, or failing that, if the teacher could be specific about what skills the entering students were expected to have. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
I like the idea of an international lacemaking standard to remind Lacemakers that they are actually rather good. Too many people suffer from what we call here in the UK 'oh, that old thing' syndrome. You might not have known it had a name but you or someone you know probably suffers from it. You know, you buy an expensive dress, get your hair done, new shoes, best make up and when DH or OH compliment you as you leave for the evening you reply 'What? This old thing'. Admit it, we've all done it at sometime or for our gentlemen Lacemakers your OH has dine it to you. I have had the pleasure to meet some fantastic Lacemakers over the years but most will put down their abilities. Others who will with patience help you with a problem and then tell you that they couldn't teach someone yet when you get to know them you realise that they have training skills from work - they are normally the person who has to write the instruction book or trains new members of staff. One girl I met claimed that she wasn't really experienced because she only produced 1 item of lace every two years. She was making binche. Of course she was slower than the friend making torchon. Such lists should not be prescriptive. I can make tallies, I just hate them so I rarely make them but I can make them. At work we agree the content of our training (syllabus) with the customer and then break it down into what they will learn in which order and what day. The learner knows exactly what they will achieve and what competences they will learn. We work using Blooms Taxonomy which sounds very posh but boils down to teaching skills, knowledge and attitude. Bloom out forward that you assess the learner as to what level they are and you can through a learning exercise raise them one level at a time (or as a colleague one said, you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear). If you can't identify where someone is on the scale then you can't raise them.in other words you have to quantify what you want to do. Another colleague said that she didn't like a learner's attitude. When we asked what exactly needed to be addressed she said 'we'll I don't like the way she looks at me'. Not very quantifiable. It's relatively simple to say what a beginner should be able to demonstrate for learning as it is all the things to make lace, just as Devon said; Wind bobbins, set up a simple pattern, angle pins correctly, whole half stitch (or local names) and Understand twists are right over left for threads. In addition I would say understand tension - at least know if it right or not. You might want to add in weaver knots as Devon said and for me little tips like being able to shorten a thread using a pin to roll up but that depends on the teacher's knowledge A competent beginner I would expect to be able to; Combine whole half stitches into a footsie and head side, add a gimp, add in extra thread as needed and make a sewing. If the learner can combine whole and half stitch then they can read a pattern book have a go at any stitch they fancy. I also agree again with Devon (I sound like her fan club here) that at this stage there are a number of patterns that a learner could complete at intermediate level that would be straight forward to do but would look complex on completion. And again, advanced would be someone who feels that they have gained competence in two or so lace styles or had worked through one style to complex levels. L Sent from my iPad On 25 Aug 2014, at 18:12, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: In NJ there were a lot of people who thought they were beginners, and did not have the courage to take a course calling for intermediate skills when I thought they probably were intermediates. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
I was stunned to read this and work out my position in your class structure. If someone asked me i would have said not a beginner but not an intermediate, but reading this puts me in the advanced class. I thought I needed to ask too many questions for that to be the case even with over 500 pieces of lace under my belt. If I took a class in a type of lace I have only worked once in my time I would again consider myself not quite a beginner as I understand winding bobbins and working patterns etc so quite a complicated business to pitch yourself and courses. Sue T Dorset UK I think of a beginner class as one where people are still learning to wind bobbins, make weaver's knots, learn half stitch, linen stitch and whole stitch (CTCT), possibly the rudiments of a torchon ground, and how to make a sewing edge. In NJ, I would have said that after the first three patterns people were probably in the intermediate level. How would others describe an intermediate? I don't have a ready definition for where intermediate passes into advanced, possibly it would include having experience with more than one bobbin lace discipline, like torchon plus point ground. What do others think? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
I have seen class descriptions that refer to confident beginners and I like that description. Even with the basic skill levels Devon mentions, there is a difference between the student who needs to have the teacher coach them every step of the way, and the student who can make the same pattern with only occasional questions. The change into intermediate, I think, would come when the student could take a pattern they've never been coached through and choose their threads, wind their bobbins, start it and make it without help. Terms like sewing edge, footside, and the different grounds do give me pause, though. Many lacemakers are self-taught, and they may do some very ambitious work and yet not know something other people consider quite simple. It would be annoying to be branded a beginner because you didn't know what make a sewing edge meant when you've just finished turning out your second bridal veil. That sort of thing can easily happen when you're self-taught. As to intermediate versus advanced - that, I think, is a little more difficult. You may look at something like Binche, for example, and think it is very advanced because the thread diagram looks demented, but if you know your basics there isn't anything in Binche you haven't done already, and if you've got a thread diagram it's just a matter of plugging away at it. When I think of advanced lacemakers (and I know very few of them) I think of somebody who could make an intermediate lace from a pricking alone - without having a thread diagram. One more thing - we started this discussion with a view to helping people sign up for classes that are appropriate for them. I'd just like to say that for many years my policy has been that when I go to a convention I sign up for a class that is a little bit easier than my maximum capabilities. That way I don't find it incredibly difficult, I'm not missing anything because I have to stay in my room and work on my lace just to catch up, and I don't go home with a big headache and 1/8 of lace on my pillow. I have seen a lot of people over the years (I attended my first convention in 1981) who said to themselves something like well, I've finished the introductory Bucks Point pattern, now to take Bucks Point again, and I'll tackle that pretty one at the back of the book with 110 pairs. I think it's much nicer when you cut yourself some slack, and do the pattern that's just a little bit up from where you were. Adele West Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) On 2014-08-25, at 10:12 AM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Karen brings up a good topic regarding whether one is a beginner, intermediate or advanced. A unified understanding of those terms might be a good idea in order to avoid people signing up for the wrong class. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
Hello Devon and everyone I like the term improver which as I understand it, means a person knows what to do but would like more practice, especially after the beginning steps. or even having tried more than one style of lace, would like the kind of beginner-type approach. Definitely specifics as to skill expectations could be in your guidelines for convention classes! How would others describe an intermediate? . It would be nice if we could provide general guidelines for convention classes, or failing that, if the teacher could be specific about what skills the entering students were expected to have. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Beginner-intermediate-advanced
I think Devon's suggestion is a good one. My opinion (for whatever it is worth): I agree that a beginner class involves winding bobbins, making a hitch that holds, weaver's knot, half stitch, cloth stitch, ctct, various footsides, torchon ground, braids/plaits. If a student has to learn these things I would call him or her an absolute beginner. But I wouldn't put the transition to intermediate half way through a torchon course. Knowing only one form of bobbin lace I would call a beginner with some experience. I wouldn't describe someone as intermediate until he or she had learned 2 forms of bobbin lace. The reason is that reaching this point means that you understand that there are sets of rules, sets of working methods. What works in torchon doesn't work in Flanders or tape lace. And most important, what works in torchon does absolutely not work in tape lace or Honiton. I think the intermediate designation implies an understanding of the difference between straight lace and part lace (held together by sewings). As to the boundary between intermediate and advanced -- I think that for teaching purposes that applies mostly to a class in something like Bedfordshire, Honiton, Binche. Advanced in this context means the student has mastered all the basics of that form and can work a great many designs on her own without help. But the class is for pushing the boundaries of her knowledge and learning floral Beds, for instance, or raised work in Honiton. So, for instance, I would call myself an intermediate in Beds. I can do trails and subsidiary trails, but haven't attempted floral designs yet. But I'm a beginner in Binche. I have made 4 simple edgings, but I'm still on pattern 2 in the first Verbeke-Billiet syllabus. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] new needle lace
You have to see this, made by Teri Dow of NEEDLELACETALK. http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/the-completed-cobweb Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
I would like to add that lace groups?hosting?conventions?should ensure that their registrar understands the differences between various lace types and their associated difficulty/requirements. I am aware of a situation of a relatively new lacemaker whose first class choice (Milanese) was full and she was offered Floral Bucks as an alternative by the registrar. (She had only ever made Torchon and some fairly simple Milanese.) Thankfully, she asked my opinion and I saved her (and her instructor, no doubt) some torment as I know she would have been very unhappy trying to struggle with the Floral Bucks, having never done any point ground or other fine laces.? Many classes merely show the prerequisite of 'basic bobbin lace skills', which can mean different things to different people. I completely agree that more specific prerequisites would be valuable to many, especially those who do not live in places where they have the opportunity to meet often with other lacemakers with whom they can compare their skills.? I would also add to the description of intermediate and/or advanced skills the ability to read and follow diagrams. Vicki in Maryland? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] some Michel Jourde patterns
Dear Jenny, Janice and others, Have had a glance through my filing system for Lace Express and did not find Excalibur, does not mean it is not there, I just did not see it. Still have a squirrel on a pillow from Michel's first appearance in Lace Express in 3/1999. Born in 1955 so under 60 - too young. Michel's dragon 1/99 and rooster 2/11 are the most colourful. The tiger 2/00 I would like to do some day. His mats, table centres and edgings are also inspiring. Hope some of the complementary comments filter through to his family. DID find a sunflower pattern by Jean-Claude Marie-Antoinette in Issue 3/04. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Fwd: Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced
I believe Jenny meant this for the list in general and not just to me. -Original Message- From: Jenny Brandis lt;je...@brandis.com.augt; To: Vicki Bradford lt;twohappyb...@aol.comgt; Sent: Mon, Aug 25, 2014 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [lace] Beginner-Intermediate-Advanced Speaking for myself, I have attended three bobbin lace classes with teachers in the 9 1/2 years since I began but the vast majority of my learning has come from NON teachers - simply my peers showing me how something is done. I consider myself to be in the transition from Beginner to Intermediate level in torchon and beginner level in Beds, tatting, Point Ground and Free lace, intermediate level in knitted and crochet lace. I was ( and did not realise ) extremely lucky that the two ladies who started me off did not tell me that reading a torchon pattern was hard, in fact it was one of the first things shown so that I would understand that these marks show where you make spider, trail etc. even now I explain a torchon pattern based on the elements that make it. It was stressed that the trail, block, chevron, lozenge and fan could be half st or cloth st, and therefore whatever I chose was right. I was encouraged to experiment as to what looked best to me. Most of my learning is self paced based on the pricking I want to use so that has meant that I may choose a pattern that I am not ready for, the Galleon pattern by Jane Atkinson comes to mind as I tried that too early in my learning LOL Back to my original reason for writing, A list of prerequisite knowledge would be a good guide as if there is something on the list I did not know, I could learn before the class. This would be beneficial to all as I would not then hold the class back while I learnt and the teacher could then spend more time on what we were there to learn. Even better, I would have entered the class knowing that my fellow classmates are also my peers. Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] new needle lace
On 8/25/2014 3:52 PM, Lorelei Halley wrote: You have to see this, made by Teri Dow of NEEDLELACETALK. Wow that is just amazing. -- Shell in Central PA “A half finished shawl left on the coffee table isn't a mess; it's an object of art.” ― Stephanie Pearl-McPhee - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] My thread confusion
Sue, I use Finca thread most of the time - for both bobbin and needlelaces, and I am happy with it. I also use Brok sometimes, but as finca is the easiest to get locally, I use that most of the time. I have various thicknesses of it, and the reels last a long time, and are not too expensive. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
