Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
Thanks to all who answered/explained. It does make more sense once you know why there is a difference. I will try the different way of doing things, at least while I am working through this book. In the meantime I've also learned about a few other books on Chantilly lace. Books on Chantilly lace seem to be scarce, and even Lia's book is now out of print. I am in the process of ordering one out of Holland, and will order the other one from I think our only lace stuff supplier in Canada (that I know of) Trillium lace. Lace books sure seem to go out of print rather quickly, and since they are so expensive, it becomes hard to buy them before they disappear from the market. Like, I just realized that Devon trolly lace is another point ground type lace, and I'd like to try them all, I see now that the first book is already out of print... i just can't keep up. Achim, the temperatures here are very high as well, we've had 39-41 C a week ago, which is 10-15 degrees above normal, and it's getting up there again this weekend. We usually don't get those temperatures until sometime in August. And it has been super dry the last few months, the drought in California is spreading northward, so forest fires are proliferating, specially with people being stupid enough to throw burning cigarette butts out of car windows. And we've had quite a few thunderstorms as well, which bring lightning, and yes rain, sometimes excessive, but because the ground is so dry, it causes flooding and disappears very quickly after doing a lot of damage. *Marianne* Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca threadsnminis.blogspot.ca - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lacemaking methods
Thanks Antje. This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand , the how and why teachers make things in one or another way. In this case for practical reasons according with used pillows. Carolina de la Guardia Sent from my ipad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] needle lace fillings
Take a quick gander at www.needlenthread.com today. Mary Corbet posted a whitework piece with some very lovely needle lace. Susan Hottle - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Linen colour
Agree with Alex and Brenda. I grow flax for handspinning. Have done so for six years. Environmental conditions do affect color as does retting process, be it dew retting, pond retting, or my method baby pool retting. I believe the flax seed variety also gives subtle color differences at least in my experience. Sue M. Exhausted having passed my master handspinning certificate exam. On Jul 3, 2015, at 04:35, Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com wrote: I agree with what Alex has written but I have also read somewhere that the soil and growing conditions has some effect on the colour of unbleached flax/linen. Where the soil is rich in iron and has a reddish colour the flax fibres will absorb some of that colouring. There is a lot of detailed info about flax retting here. http://www.astm.org/SNEWS/SEPTEMBER_2005/akin_sep05.html Brenda When flax is prepared to make linen thread it gores through a process called retting. Traditionally flax stems are allowed to start rotting in order to free the fibres either by leaving the cut stems outside so that dew forms on them or by leaving them in water. One of these processes results in grey fibres, the other ecru. So the colour of the unbleached linen is the result of the retting process used and also the weather at the time and the time that has been allowed for the process. Being a natural product the colour will depend on the growing season and how the retting process in managed and will vary from year to year. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
I have this book coming in my next shipment. I ordered it from van Sciver, but she was out of stock last month. And I have also ordered some of the threads used in this book. Oh my, 25,000 pins per repeat or 250 pairs? That is a lot of pins as well as bobbins. But I am starting to get there with the bobbins, slowly, ordering a few dozen every time I place any lace supply order. I don't know how many I have right now, but it is nowhere near 500 bobbins, at least not midlands ones, and I have trouble with unspangled bobbins rolling too much and end up having thread drift apart. I can use them if I am doing something with heavier thread, like for Torchon, but with the finer threads like for Bucks I really seem to need spangled ones. And I like the finer thread laced more than the heavier ones, though I have been doing some Milanese, and want to try some Idrija as well. And I see that Ulrike has a new book out on the Barjac Ombree, which I am going to order in the near future as well, it looks interesting. Ugh, them dollar signs are starting to add up again. *Marianne* Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca threadsnminis.blogspot.ca On 03/07/2015 9:06 AM, Achim Siebert wrote: If youd like a really nice book with beautiful Chantilly patterns (including Ombrée) I highly recommend Ulrike Voelckers Schwarzarbeit Band 2. It has meticulously drawn diagrams showing every pair of bobbins, so even complex patterns are rather easy to follow. It has 69 patterns in total, so theres something for everyone, including a pattern with about 25.000 pinholes per repeat (!), needing about 250 pairs of bobbins, so it might be the one and only pattern youll ever work on ;-). Its written in German and English. None of my other books come closer to what I prefer in lace: Art Nouveau / Art Deco style, flowing lines and wonderful shading. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] needle lace resources
Thanks Rita, indeed Beeton is on gutenberg available to all. Lorelei, you have hit the nail on the head. No wonder I wasn't finding much other than tape lace when I initially searched for needle lace online! Point de gaz(e) wouldn't have been made by amateurs. Ironically, that fact brought the most enlightenment at our lace demonstration. By showing them the basic beginner pattern that I was working, then flipping to the exquisite example in the Lace app, patrons could get a handle on the skills needed to produce such an item--even though some stitches were identical. So thanks for pointing me in the right direction Santa for bringing me an iPad! Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
Hello Marianne, Like, I just realized that Devon trolly lace is another point ground type lace, and I'd like to try them all, I see now that the first book is already out of print... i just can't keep up. You wont miss much there IMHO - its not different from Bucks point and the patterns in that book are nothing really special. Though it has a quite interesting historical part. If youd like a really nice book with beautiful Chantilly patterns (including Ombrée) I highly recommend Ulrike Voelckers Schwarzarbeit Band 2. It has meticulously drawn diagrams showing every pair of bobbins, so even complex patterns are rather easy to follow. It has 69 patterns in total, so theres something for everyone, including a pattern with about 25.000 pinholes per repeat (!), needing about 250 pairs of bobbins, so it might be the one and only pattern youll ever work on ;-). Its written in German and English. None of my other books come closer to what I prefer in lace: Art Nouveau / Art Deco style, flowing lines and wonderful shading. And its still available (e.g. here: http://www.barbara-fay.de/j2/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/bobbin-lace/sc hwarzarbeit-2-detail?Itemid=0 http://www.barbara-fay.de/j2/index.php/en/component/virtuemart/bobbin-lace/s chwarzarbeit-2-detail?Itemid=0). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace timeline
First, let me thank all who wrote with suggestions resources! That's quite a reading list I'd better get started before I'm in the urn. Second, I don't think my effort will be particularly scholarly so perhaps I won't offend those who are more detail oriented. If I can identify the major laces by quarter century, that would be a place to start. I do think it will help me have a better understanding of the hows whys by comparing my lace timeline to other historical events. When I found that my taste in music art shared a timeline, it was an epiphany. Lorelei, your many wonderful examples/explanations on your website are very helpful. Unfortunately, I'm not a member of Pinterest so can't view anything using your link so will use your regular site. Linda, thanks for mentioning genealogy as some laces might better relate to a lace tree. Devon, Adele Agnes, I will ask the library to track down the Gwynne Dictionary. It will give them something to do besides ! requesting James Patterson novels DVDs. Plus it's always good to try before you buy. Brian, thanks for the Honiton reference. One can never know enough about this charming technique! Last but not least, it would seem like I could cross reference some of the entries in the Lace app. It's moments like this that make me wish I could remember how to use Excel--fill in the cells sort by category! Egad. Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Erie, PA USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] pinterest
Susan Thank you for your kinds words about my website. For what its worth, I have collected over 5900 photographs on my pinterest boards, and nearly all of them are lace, sorted by type. I have done this as an aid to lace identification. It might be worthwhile to start a pinterest account, just so you can see them. They are mostly from FACEBOOK and PICASA (a google photo sharing site), plus a few other sources. When I first started collecting them I was in a hurry and didn't always attach the photographer's or lace maker's name. But the more recent ones have the individual's name attached. (Some of the names are online nicknames, rather than actual names.) Lorelei https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Colour of linen
Hi Brenda Re: . but I have also read somewhere that the soil and growing conditions has some effect on the colour of unbleached flax/linen. Where the soil is rich in iron and has a reddish colour the flax fibres will absorb some of that colouring. That also sounds feasible. If busy lizzie flower stems are placed in red ink they will absorb the colour into the flowers, absorbing iron sounds much the same. Any botanists out there who can give a definitive answer? Blow the dust, let,s make lace. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Something different on the OIDFA Lace Translator
This is David using Jean’s address to announce that another language has just been added to the Lace Translator on the OIDFA website (http://www.oidfa.com/translate.html) making 17 in all. This one is Hebrew, and it’s different for a couple of reasons. First it’s a right-to-left language, which not only required new coding to accommodate, but was a real pain manipulating on the computer when mixed with Roman (left to right) characters like simple parentheses. The second is that it’s a language which does not have its own words for certain lace terms, and so a term had to be transliterated or invented. Yael Kaplan, who was responsible for the translation therefore added short explanations, which I have inserted below the image. This latter is something that could be applied to terms in certain other languages — Japanese comes to mind, but even in European languages there will be styles that are not common in the region where the language is spoken. So the moral is that if you think an explanation is required from something already listed, please contact us, and if you were thinking of offering, say Chinese, don’t be put off by the absence of some terms in your language. Oh, and if you happen to speak one of the mainstream lace European languages that we still lack - Portuguese and Maltese come to mind - do give it a go (Brazilian-flavoured Portuguese is OK with me). David Leader (OIDFA Webmaster) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Linen colour
I agree with what Alex has written but I have also read somewhere that the soil and growing conditions has some effect on the colour of unbleached flax/linen. Where the soil is rich in iron and has a reddish colour the flax fibres will absorb some of that colouring. There is a lot of detailed info about flax retting here. http://www.astm.org/SNEWS/SEPTEMBER_2005/akin_sep05.html Brenda When flax is prepared to make linen thread it gores through a process called retting. Traditionally flax stems are allowed to start rotting in order to free the fibres either by leaving the cut stems outside so that dew forms on them or by leaving them in water. One of these processes results in grey fibres, the other ecru. So the colour of the unbleached linen is the result of the retting process used and also the weather at the time and the time that has been allowed for the process. Being a natural product the colour will depend on the growing season and how the retting process in managed and will vary from year to year. Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Linen colour
Re: I think your choice of words is appropriate. I would use white = bleached, cream = half bleached, ecru = 1/4 bleached, natural (or gray) = unbleached. For linen the term gray is often used to mean unbleached, although the color is like a dark ecru. Lorelei When flax is prepared to make linen thread it gores through a process called retting. Traditionally flax stems are allowed to start rotting in order to free the fibres either by leaving the cut stems outside so that dew forms on them or by leaving them in water. One of these processes results in grey fibres, the other ecru. So the colour of the unbleached linen is the result of the retting process used and also the weather at the time and the time that has been allowed for the process. Being a natural product the colour will depend on the growing season and how the retting process in managed and will vary from year to year. Blow the dust, letâs make lace Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
Hello Marianne, Adele has already given you a perfect explanation. I agree that you should always follow the instructions and method used by the teacher or the book. When buying books or magazines, we must always make sure which method is using the writer. So it is convenient to get used to reading and understanding both methods, as that is what we are going to find when we are trying different teachers and books. It is really a good advantage to be able to read both languages. Originally, the method used depended on the lace pillow used and the type of lace worked. If the bobbins hang from the pins (as happens with our Spanish vertical pillows or with bolster pillows) the open method is used, as the bobbins get tangled anyway and you have to check the twists before starting a new stitch. But in round pillows (or block pillows or similar), where the bobbins lay in horizontal and stay there, the closed method is used. With one method you start with the twists and with the other you end with them. But the same stitch is made and the result is exactly the same. So, best wishes and keep telling us about your experience! Antje González â, from Spain, with a too unpleasant heat wave!â www.vueltaycruz.es - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand , the how and why teachers make things in one or another way. In this case for practical reasons according with used pillows. Thanks Carolina de la Guardia Sent from my ipad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] lace methods
This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand , the how and why teachers make things in one or another way. In this case for practical reasons according with used pillows. Thanks Carolina de la Guardia Sent from my ipad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] question about Chantilly lace
Chantilly is different in some minor respects - you’ll find out working through Lia’s examples. Then again: if you don’t want/need to work in a historically correct way, you could simply work the pieces as you are used to for Bucks (you could even mirror the pattern to have the edge on the other side - but this shouldn’t be necessary if you already did some bookmarks - there you have worked both sides anyway). Though bundling threads to go with the gimp for a while doesn’t occur in Bucks as far as I remember (too lazy to get out my books now, it’s too hot here …). As others said before: it doesn’t really matter if you work open (ending with twists) or closed (ending with cross). Antje’s description describes what I do: work closed on flemish pillows, where the bobbins don’t dangle and wont get in a different order easily, and work open on the German bolster pillows. Once you get to understand what’s really happening with your threads, you’ll see that the result is the same and you’ll even be able to switch methods in the middle of work - even if you’ll come back to your pillow much later, you’ll see at a glance if you already did the twists or not. Anyway: have fun with your Chantilly. After seeing some gorgeous pieces in the Normandy a few weeks ago, I still think it’s my favourite type of lace (and Blonde, a variant made in Caen, and interestingly also in Barcelona). Best from Berlin, where it’s going to be nearly as hot as in Spain (39 °C expected for Sunday). I’d rather be in Catalunya right now, though - the heat is much more bearable at the sea and I love Spanish food and the people (hoping no Catalán is reading this, it’s actually different from the rest of Spain, even the language). Achim. Now I am wondering if this is just a quirk of Lia's or if Chantilly lace is really done different from Bucks. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
