RE: [lace] Jerri and other folks rants

[mouracreek]

You can count me as a leaver.  I'll hit send for this and then unsubscribe.  My
mother taught me that private correspondence was just that so not keeping it
private is just the end for me.  
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I hope these emails don't start another round of folks leaving the list! 

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[lace] Jeri's emails

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

To those missing out on Jeri's emails - perhaps think about switching to the
Digest form of Arachne. Jeri's emails are always there.

 

Thank you Jeri, for all your wonderful information that you give us on such
a variety of Lace subjects. You are a "fount of knowledge" and it is always
a delight to read your emails with all their knowledge and help in them.

 

I had a great day yesterday. We are away on holiday, - to our usual spot, -
and we took a long drive to the next town - over the State border, - and met
up with some other Lacemakers for lunch!  Lots of laughter, lots of lace
talk, and also some 'looking at lace' that they were making or had made!
Lacemakers are such a lovely group of supportive people, - various age
groups, and lifestyles, but brought together by our wonderful craft.

 

I am very distressed by the recent bickering and nasty comments here on
Arachne. Please, everyone,. - lets get back to Lacemaking, and Friendship,
and leave the nastiness well out of the way.  This is not the right place
for spiteful comments.

 

Liz in Mallacoota

lizl...@bigpond.com

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Re: [lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Jeri Ames]

Everyone, Yes I am phasing out my participation on Arachne.  I just will not
fight the battles with aol and gmail.  What I've been doing is bcc-ing Devon,
Sue Babbs and Lin Hudren (users of gmail) - all of whom complained they were
not getting what I wrote.  Now, I have learned that Kim Davis (who uses net)
is not getting my letters!  This is shocking to me, because I value the work
Kim does and am sometimes able to be of assistance to her in connection with
the volunteer work she does at The Lace Museum in Sunnyvale California.
 
When one of our very well-known lace leaders visited me for a week last
Summer, I asked her to look at how I manage my permanent aol files, and then
tell me if I should switch to gmail.  She advised against.  She has seen my
considerable paper files in the studio, slept in the library surrounded by
thousands of lace and embroidery books, is aware there are many periodicals
stored in what should be the guest bedroom, etc.  I am up to my ears in paper
copies, because so many of you have written about losing all your files to a
computer failure.  She knows a great deal about technology, and I trust her
judgement that I not go to gmail.
 
Please do not jump to the conclusion that I need another round of your advice.
 Many of you have written in the past, and I have digested what you
recommended.  I am well-aware that you love your personal arrangements.  I
like my aol filing system and do not wish to devote more time to it, which a
switch to gmail would require.  Further, the computer guru at the Senior
Center near me supports aol.  But not gmail.
 
Imagine how much time is spent writing for you and doing searches and research
and then triple what you think that might be.  Please realize there are other
things that I have identified as being of importance to lace.  I do not see
many people eager to take on my self-designated role (I did offer to train
apprentices a few years ago, and found that within a month the people I'd
spent so much time getting prepped were drawn away by family problems. I do
not process excuses of "my teenager has gotten into trouble" very well.
 
Lin Hudren is definitely correct.  Because of disappointment in my ability to
rally others to communicate on lace topics, I am gradually drifting away from
Arachne.
 
Here are 2 topics someone might write about this week:  1) Some governments
are confiscating rosewood bobbins (as if they were as endangered as ivory) and
2) DMC and Anchor's phasing out of some lace making threads - in the U.K., but
maybe elsewhere, too?  I read about these yesterday on the home page of
www.nelg.us .
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center 
 
In a message dated 12/6/2017 6:34:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
k...@wirelace.net writes:

 
I have found over the past year that I do not get most of Jeri's
postings. I have found out about them when someone else replies, or when
Devon posts them, but do not get them when Jeri posts them. As I recall,
there was some sort of issue with this for many people which was discussed
a few months back. I also feel I must have missed something. I
sincerely hope that we are not loosing her.

Kim

I think I must have missed an email. How are we losing Jeri?
> Liz, Raleigh, NC

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Re: [lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Liz Roberts]

I don't get Jeri's posts either. When someone mentions them, I have to go to 
the archives to read them unless someone else shares them. Isn't it something 
to do with AOL? I certainly appreciate any knowledge about lacemaking that 
others care to share.


Liz Roberts in Missouri where it has turned cold.





-Original Message-
From: Kim Davis 

I have found over the past year that I do not get most of Jeri's
postings.  I have found out about them when someone else replies, or when
Devon posts them, but do not get them when Jeri posts them. 

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Re: [lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Kim Davis]

​I have found over the past year that I do not get most of Jeri's
postings.  I have found out about them when someone else replies, or when
Devon posts them, but do not get them when Jeri posts them.  As I recall,
there was some sort of issue with this for many people which was discussed
a few months back.   ​I also feel I must have missed something.  I
sincerely hope that  we are not loosing her.

Kim

I think I must have missed an email.  How are we losing Jeri?
> Liz, Raleigh, NC
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Re: [lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Lin Hudren]

Daphne Martin
2:14 PM (12 minutes ago)
to me
I nearly choked at this!!

is this bad?

Yes I think so. The way you have treated Janet is not a Christian way to be
and its upset me immensly

i am sorry that you feel that way.  Janet kicked Amber in the tush 4 years
ago and you didn't respond.  so your being hurt on her behalf is
admirable.  your loyalty is awesome.  i did not do anything to Janet.  she
disappointed the group when she took over.  she didn't honor requests for
the exchanges.  she paired up partners that were paired even at the last
exchange.  she ignored other exchanged partners.  she has not honored the
group's wishes individually.  she, nor you. have been involved in the group
with communication for at least the last year.  your kicking me in the tush
and hurting the group has a lot to be considered.  do you care about the
group in your isolated environment?  your animosity isn't geared to the
group's well being and growth. you have a personal grudge that caused a
riff in the group because you think you are above the members.  i feel very
sorry for you.  of course, i would appreciate your support as adamant as
you are.  but, Daphne, you are a riot creator and not a supporter of having
things work to the good of those who wish to share and care.  you are not a
participant gear to more other than to hurt others.

i do not wish you ill.  i think you are a lonely and lonesome person who
has nothing else to do but hurt others. i am sorry that you chose to kick
me in the teeth when i only wish to gift the group activity and growth for
those who participate in the open. you are a sneaky hurtful person and that
isn't in the best interest of the group as a trying to learn and share.  i
am so sorry for you and our hurtful efforts.  as you open the Christian
effort.  so you think hurting other hurting is Christian?  you have hurt
the group.  doing elisting others to do your dirty work was hurtful.  Jenny
denied her gifting to the group for your kicking me in the tight was a
major hurt to the group.

i hope you will rethink your animosity and will be blessed in the after
life because you denied and hurt others because you have instigated others
(Jenny) to do your dirty work.  i don't think you should be a part of this
group. you do not contribute, you just instigate unrest.




Hugs, Lin and the Mali



On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:14 PM, Daphne Martin  wrote:

> Yes I think so. The way you have treated Janet is not a Christian way to
> be and its upset me immensly.
>
> Regards
> Daphne xx🌹
>
> Sent from my IPad
>
> On 6 Dec 2017, at 21:58, Lin Hudren  wrote:
>
> is this bad?
>
>
> Hugs, Lin and the Mali
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Daphne Martin  wrote:
>
>> I nearly choked at this!!
>>
>> Love
>> Daphne xx🌹
>>
>> Sent from my IPad
>>
>> On 6 Dec 2017, at 21:19, Lin Hudren  wrote:
>>
>> We are in the throes of losing this most cherished gift.  Jeri has
>> dedicated herself to knowing historical, practical and knowledgeable lace
>> information.  i think as a group we need to encourage her to keep letting
>> us know that her knowledge shared with us is worthy.  i don't see much
>> feedback to her for her sharing with us.  if you are doing it off line as
>> i
>> do, that is good but i do not think sufficient.  please take the time to
>> gift her with appreciation.  i have gained much from her missives.  is
>> there anyone out there who does not learn something from her work?
>>
>> this is a group of sharing and caring.  please help me to encourage her to
>> continue sharing with us the knowledge she has gained for many years of
>> research and collection of information which she willingly gifts to us.
>> thank you.
>>
>> Hugs, Lin and the Mali
>>
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Re: [lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Lbuyred]

I think I must have missed an email.  How are we losing Jeri?
Liz, Raleigh, NC

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Lin Hudren  wrote:
> 
> We are in the throes of losing this most cherished gift.  Jeri has
> dedicated herself to knowing historical, practical and knowledgeable lace
> information. 

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[lace] Re: [lace] Buck’s pricking

[Karen Thompson]

I have tried working without the pins in the ground, and find it hard to
keep the right tension, but I am sure with practice it would be fine. It
certainly would be much faster and cheaper.

Karen
On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:

>
> Karen, have you tried working it without the pins?
> Devon
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[lace] RE: Bucks Prickings

[Annette Meldrum]

Jane,

unfortunately, I was only given the prickings.

This is an interesting idea? 

Annette

From: Jane Partridge 

Were any of the prickings shown alongside lace made from them?

 

pricking alternate pinholes, and second rows not being complete, could
result in the pricking for a different ground to what we know as point
ground? 

 

there is a ground of honeycomb stitch (CTTpCTT) referred to as Spanish
Ground, and wondered whether this, or Kat Stitch, could have resulted from
misreading of an incomplete pricking.

 

Jane Partridge 

 

  _  

From: f Annette Meldrum  >

 They are designed for a triangular mantilla, with the borders heavily
worked and the ground worked in strips with flowers at intervals. Pins were
expensive, so they only used every second hole and it is evident that only
every second row is fully pricked. 



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[lace] Jeri's Narratives

[Lin Hudren]

We are in the throes of losing this most cherished gift.  Jeri has
dedicated herself to knowing historical, practical and knowledgeable lace
information.  i think as a group we need to encourage her to keep letting
us know that her knowledge shared with us is worthy.  i don't see much
feedback to her for her sharing with us.  if you are doing it off line as i
do, that is good but i do not think sufficient.  please take the time to
gift her with appreciation.  i have gained much from her missives.  is
there anyone out there who does not learn something from her work?

this is a group of sharing and caring.  please help me to encourage her to
continue sharing with us the knowledge she has gained for many years of
research and collection of information which she willingly gifts to us.
thank you.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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[lace] Santina Levey tribute, National Trust info & NT Autumn 2017 Bulletin

[Susan]

Thank you Jeri!  What a lovely tribute to Ms. Levey for her lifetime commitment 
to textile resources.  Yowza—the National Trust Bulletin articles are packed 
with historical details & the site is a treasure trove.   Early Christmas 
indeed!  Thanks for sharing—I would have missed this without your links.  
Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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[lace] Re: [lace] Buck’s pricking

[Devon Thein]

Karen, have you tried working it without the pins?
Devon

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[lace] Buck’s pricking

[Karen]

In the Smithsonian Museum collection in Washington DC there is a well used 
Bucks pricking without holes pricked for the ground. It was used in the 1860s 
by a lacemaker who had made lace in Ipswich during the late 1780s and early 
1790s. She used very fine threads for the simple Bucks edging. I have 
reconstructed it. 

-Karen in sunny but cold Washington DC

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[lace] Point ground

[Alex Stillwell]

Hi Annette

I have found this discussion very interesting, especially only pricking
alternate holes. I can see how this would work, I must try it. However, it
still does not give proof that the point lace was made without any pins
supporting the ground. Surely no lace worker would go to the trouble, or
expense, of having all the ground pricked if she was not going to use the
holes. I work the stitches without setting up pins as I go and then set them
up later. This does not mean I am making the ground without pins, I use all
the pinholes. I have yet to see a point lace pricking without pinholes for the
ground. Is there anyone out there who has one? If so I would be very
interested to see it.

Blow the dust, let’s make lace

Alex

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[lace] Re: Bucks Prickings

[Jane Partridge]

Were any of the prickings shown alongside lace made from them?


I'm just curious because what is being described as pricking alternate
pinholes, and second rows not being complete, could result in the pricking for
a different ground to what we know as point ground? In one of the books (I
can't remember which, possibly Judith Gwynne's dictionary, if not Alex's)
there is a ground of honeycomb stitch (CTTpCTT) referred to as Spanish Ground,
and wondered whether this, or Kat Stitch, could have resulted from misreading
of an incomplete pricking.


Jane Partridge



From: f Annette Meldrum 

 They are designed for a triangular mantilla, with the borders heavily worked
and the ground worked in strips with flowers at intervals. Pins were
expensive, so they only used every second hole and it is evident that only
every second row is fully pricked.

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