[lace] RE: IOLI convention

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

Elizabeth Correa  -- I look forward to meeting you at the IOLI convention.
We will be there a couple of days beforehand.   What class will you be in?
I am in the morning Tatting class - making the necklace shown on the IOLI
convention list of classes. ( class 514 I think).

It is always fun to meet up with others on this list, and I have made many
friends though the list, and meeting them at Convention.
 
I will have a husband tacking on!!  I hope there will be some other husbands
there, so he can find someone to talk to while I am busy learning tatting!!
The Husband he has made friens with for the last 2 conventions we have been
to, is unable to come this time, - so I hope he finds someone else to
befriend! Saves me worrying about him getting bored. :)

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz.
lizl...@bigpond.com

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Re: Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Louise in Central Virginia]

 As I said. being creative and thinking outside the box is characteristic of 
most lacemakers !
 
 
 Louise in Central Virginia

On 05/07/16, Clay Blackwell wrote:

Hi, Louise! LOL at your travel solution! I never heard that story before!

Fast forward (or backward) to 2010 when I went to Belgium. I was working a 
round mat, and wanted to use my German felt block pillow along with the round 
block that can be used in place of one 6" block. And of course the back (frame) 
of the German pillow did not fit in my luggage! 

So... Terry made me another base for the block pillow, and this had a piano 
hinge down the middle. It folded so that the base of the pillow was inside the 
fold, but the hinge allowed the pillow to sag in the middle. So... A few 
judiciously placed felt feet kept the middle on even keel, and a miniature 
brass latch on each end of the fold kept the sides even. 

To make life easier, I made a zip-up case for it. I would put the half and 
whole pillows on one side, cover with one half of the case, and then turn the 
whole thing over. Then I would put the remaining blocks (including the round 
one) on the other side, zip it up, and everything was tight. If security wanted 
to scan the case separately, no harm done.

On the return trip when the round block was filled with pins and attached to 
200+ Binche bobbins, I first took a picture of the block with bobbins, and 
printed it out. Then I carefully bundled the bobbins and used another block of 
shipping foam with a hole in the middle to surround the pins. This kept them 
safe, and then the whole bundle was wrapped to keep the bobbins stable. The 
picture, and an explanation, was attached with pins to the bundle.

Not a thread was broken! Not a bobbin disturbed! As a lacemaker, it pays to be 
OCD, because security knows we are some "special" individuals!!! LOL!

I have traveled with this pillow several times now, and it works like a charm!

I have flown to several IOLI conventions, and the organizers have always been 
careful to keep Airport Security aware of the impending influx of crazy ladies 
with massive supplies of pins and sticks! That is usually the best recourse!

Clay
Clay Blackwell
Lymchburg, VA


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> On May 7, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Louise in Central Virginia  
> wrote:
 > Being creative and thinking outside the box is character of most lacemakers

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Louise in Central Virginia]

 That is a great idea to provide cheep pillows for members who fly.


The one time I had to fly to IOLI Convention, I was taking 2 classes and needed 
20 inch pillows for both.  So I got creative and made a 20 inch foam block 
pillow, but instead of backing it with plyboard, I used artist's foam board 
which made it much lighter.  But my luggage was only 18 inches wide!  My 
solution was to make a cut about 8 inches from one edge of the pillow and then 
make a hinge with Duck Tape so I could fold the edge back and fit it into my 
luggage. To lock it into place when in use, I used a flat strip of wood (ie 
tongue depresser) between foam and board.  With an extra block  and extra cover 
cloth for 2nd class I was all set.


Being creative and thinking outside the box is character of most lacemakers!


Louise in Central Virginia

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

From a PR/mktg standpoint - a priority for many attending is vendors/shopping,
and socializing/camaraderie.  Of course people want to learn something, but
may not get into a class that they want to.  The lull that sustains is the
first two mentioned, and one has to consider if you will also lose vendors
traveling to two distant places (with increasing travel costs).  Some may feel
they have to choose, and that cuts into whatever slim profits they already
have.  We can't lose more lace suppliers who get over-stretched.  


Then if
you have 300 ct. attendees at one national event, there is a likelihood to get
less than half per when the venue is split, and it is twice the work.  It is
more economical to fly one person to teach 20 people, than to have 20 people
travel to the instructor, but if the passion is there, they will do it.

It
seems like it is dividing up the pieces of the pie a bit too scantly.  Then
again it could create competition so each tries to have better offerings.  I
think some get bored with attending in their own area over time, and prefer a
new place and sites to see.  With costs going up for transportation, people
likely are more focused on visiting a new place while there as more 'bang for
their buck,' as Alice shared.

Best,
Susan Reishus   

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[Dmt11home]

Alice has done a good job in answering your questions. One  aspect of the 
organization of the Lace conventions is that a local group hosts  the 
convention. This is a very charming thing, as the host group is always very  
gracious and eager to share the special things about their area with the  
attendees. One hears about lace history or enterprises that are known only  
locally, 
and one has the chance to experience local teachers. There was one case  
where a group that lived in Texas, but in a small town, hosted a convention in 
 San Antonio on the theory that more people would like to visit there than 
in  their town. 
You mention that in the Science Fiction community sometimes a  group is 
willing to organize an event in a different city. How does this work?  For our 
purposes, it seems like it would be very hard for a group to organize a  
convention in a city where they don't live, although actually, it is often the  
case that a group is so spread out that some of the members who take an 
active  role in the convention are rather far from its location. But 
presumably, members  of the group are visiting the hotel, counting and timing 
the 
elevators  :-) setting up tours, doing dry runs of tours, auditioning 
entertainment  and porting large quantities of items into the hotel from home, 
including slide  projectors, easels, items for sale, exhibit items that have 
been 
sent to them,  items for the competitions, etc. 
How did the Sci Fi group organize something in another  location? How far 
away would the location be? 
 
Devon

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[lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[lackam]

Meant to send this to the group but my computer was not co-operating so I am
sending it again:
?
I thing what everyone is ignoring here is that for those of us in the US, or
others near by, is the distance issue. As travel becomes more expensive it is
just not easy for someone to pick up and travel long distances. For me to go
to the convention this year would mean traveling almost two thousand miles
with all of its expenses before I even figure in the hotel and convention
costs. Maybe what we need here is to split the convention into two
conventions. With one for the eastern side and one for the western side you
could rotate classes and vendors every other year so everyone has a chance to
attend more often. They would end up being smaller conventions maybe but that
might make it easier also.

My other problem with the convention is the timing. For those of us
(admittedly not many) with children still in school it does present a problem
of timing. As our schools begin earlier and earlier, with the sports teams
starting even earlier, it makes it impossible to attend. Younger lacemakers do
have to take such things into consideration when planning to attend a lace
event. If you want to attact new, younger lacemakers you need to consider
this. Any high school/college age lacemaker would most likely not be able to
attend if they could afford it due to timing restrains from school. Everyone
wants to attract the new lacemakers so they can carry on the art but most of
your accomidations are centered on the older lace makers. How about we do both
when planning the next convention? Both groups could learn from each other.

Amber
Forest, VA

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[lynrbailey]

Amber wrote:
I thing what everyone is ignoring here is that for those of us in the US, or
others near by, is the distance issue. ... Maybe what we need here is to split 
the convention into two
conventions. .

My other problem with the convention is the timing. For those of us
(admittedly not many) with children still in school it does present a problem
of timing.    If you want to attract new, younger lacemakers you need to 
consider
this. Any high school/college age lacemaker would most likely not be able to
attend if they could afford it due to timing restrains from school. Everyone
wants to attract the new lacemakers so they can carry on the art but most of
your accommodations are centered on the older lace makers. How about we do both
when planning the next convention? Both groups could learn from each other.

Dear Amber, et al,
I don't think there are that many people who attend IOLI every year.  The 
convention travels around the country, depending on the lace group presenting 
it.  I suspect, although I have no evidence, that those on either coast have 
more attendance because they are closer to more people, who would be more 
likely to come, but wherever it is, it draws the 'local' people.  

Would late July work better?  It may be that moving the date a bit in the 
summer would entice some who don't come to IOLI.  

One nice thing is that there is little complaint about the cost of the 
teachers.  They work very hard for not a whole lot of money.  Thank you 
teachers, you are a dedicated bunch, much more interested in passing on your 
knowledge than making money.

At issue is the cost of the other aspects of the IOLI convention. It would be 
very interesting to see if a change in venue, perhaps to a school, would result 
in more or different people coming.  Expensive conventions have had classes in 
bedrooms.  Even fancy hotel food will not please everyone.  Reduce the cost, 
and people have said they would be more likely to come.  What criteria can be 
dispensed with in order to reduce the price, and will this reduction increase 
attendance?  No one has the answer yet.  Let us always remember that nothing 
that is done will please everyone.  

Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA where I want spring to warm up.  

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Re: [lace] RE: IOLI Convention

[John Mead]

I'm not familiar with how IOLI rotates the annual conference. In the
science fiction fan community, Worldcon rotates between East
Coast/Midwest/West Coast, with bids from elsewhere in the world acceptable
at any time; Canada being considered part and parcel for the standard
rotation. Anyway, every three years Worldcon will be at
least theoretically close by, for certain values of close by [West Coast
tends to be in southern California, or so it seems, definitely not in
OR/WA/BC]. Next level down, at least for my part of the country, is
Westercon, which perambulates around the West Coast, and has made it to
Seattle, Portland, and other parts North, as well as Reno, Las Vegas, and
Phoenix. I've been to one worldcon, I was working in Chicago when it was
last held there, I've been to several Westercons, because they happened in
Portland while I was living there.

I guess what I'm wondering is if IOLI has any type of regional rotation on
where the convention occurs? I gather it's happened in Portland, OR, so it
can be hosted by upper mid-sized cities.  Are there areas that just will
never have a chance to see IOLI unless they travel mega miles? I'd guess
the upper mountain states are on their own, but is Minneapolis possible?
Calgary? Of course, this presumes a lace presence in the area, unless a
group formed which was willing to organize from afar, which has happened in
the science fiction community.

How bad is it, in regard to certain areas never being within daytrip range
of IOLI? What is the average attendance? I'm hearing the figures of 12 and
24 hours for classes, which I'm presuming are spread out over several days,
because I'm not up to 12 hour days any longer, and I'm only 52, so how many
hours/day are we looking at? Do people sign up for multiple classes, or
just one?  And are there smaller, regional conventions? What's the break
even point, in regard to attendance staying at the venue? And the
accessibility needs?

I guess, what are the differences from the SF fan conventions I attended
for many years, and also the SCA things I've been involved with, although
the latter aren't good comparisons, although more of them are happening in
hotels these days as certain events just get so big.

Yours,

John Mead
Tacoma, WA, but formerly Portland, OR, and Chicago, IL

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention registration

[Janice Blair]

Hi Rebecca,
No-one has been informed that they have the class of their choice yet.  If 
someone has been contacted by the Registrar, it is usually to ask what their 
second choice may be because their first choice class is full.  If they then 
assume they will get their second choice, they are probably correct.  Some 
members in the host group of Beehive Lacers may have been told by their 
committee that their registration is okay, but that is not official yet.  No 
decisions will be made about final placements until the end of May. 
 Registrations are still coming in, although slower than in the initial period 
and we are hoping to be able to provide as many classes as we offered in the 
Bulletin.

Please do not assume that classes are full or cancelled, take a chance and send 
in your registration and come and join us in Salt Lake City where we hope to 
provide everyone with great classes and another wonderful convention 
experience, 
plus the chance to see and hear the Tabernacle Choir rehearsal in the 
Tabernacle.

Janice

I was speaking to a fellow lacemaker a few days ago and she said she and her
sister already know what classes they are taking.  I sent in my registration
before Feb 1 and my check was cashed in February, but I have yet to hear about
the classes I will be taking.  When can I expect to find out?

Rebecca in Utah
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention registration

[Rebecca Mikkelsen]

I was speaking to a fellow lacemaker a few days ago and she said she and her
sister already know what classes they are taking.  I sent in my registration
before Feb 1 and my check was cashed in February, but I have yet to hear about
the classes I will be taking.  When can I expect to find out?

Rebecca in Utah

 I also want to take this opportunity to mention the upcoming IOLI
convention,
 and I hope I don't offend anyone by this.  Some classes are already filled
to
 capacity, such as those taught by Louise Colgan, Ulrike Voelker, and Allie
 Marguccio but we still have some spaces with Anny Noben Slegers, Jean
Leader,
 Holly van Sciver and many other teachers.  Don't think you are too late in
 registering as I am sure Brenda Glenn, Registrar, will be able to place you
in a
 class, and maybe one that you might have thought was already filled.

 For those of you who are waiting anxiously to know what your classes are, we
are
 still working hard on placements.  If your check has been cashed, you know
that
 it was received by Brenda.

 Janice Blair
 IOLI Teacher Coordinator

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to LA
several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling and
all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  
The same when I have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is
completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even answering
you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
Monaco, for instance.    

The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other which
escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to look
or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
beautiful people who do it.
Best,Susan Reishus
 
hallo to all

So we went to the USA
I finaly did not take knitting needles on the plane
because i all to well remember that custums and airportsecurity peolpe 
lac any kind of polite and frindly comprehensive caracter
i beleve they are specialy trained in beeing a  in the . it is 
at your own imagination to fill in the .
when i finaly was on that plane,
I a was happy not to have my knittigneedles
there is no place to move around my arms and elbows to knit..
not whitout hurting the co-passengers anyway
so no knitting

i fly a lot evry year in europe short cityhoppers  so in and out the plane
and it is always out of holliday periods
so i forgot how it is when you do travel in holidayperiods
what it is like to have very small, small and even bigger children on 
the plane
or the nonstop blond narative waterfall
or big dinosoruslike persons next to you or behind you
whom just fit in the chair and even beyond that chair
and were you have to dwell and survive for 8 painfully long hours evry 
airbreeding movement and other fysical  movements
were you feel the knees of that person al to we in your back
where you see and mostly hear the children of parents whom lost the 
parental battle against there own monsters a veryyy long time ago
boy o boy i still want children but that are the moments were you realy 
think twice
somehow you seem to not feel the dinosaur anymore
somehow you seem to not notice the little gremlins  anymore
somehow you seem to be able to dwell in a state of sleeping and not 
noticing all the rest

we survived the trip

and suddenly you are in Los Angeles
it was the first time we were in the USA
it realy is DIFFEREND
not in big ways but in small remarcable thinghs
the first thing we noticed was the imens amounts of traffic
and all those small busses for the hotels, and carparks etcetc
sooo many traffic
and soo big cars, driving monsters on 4 or more wheels
big bigger bigest shining metal monsters
we did not see any old cars
it was like a new presenting carshow

we took the ride to the hotel
settled down and asked at the concierge were we could find a supermarket
BIG MISTAKE..
he said only 10 minutes around the corner a bit further
welll those 10 minutes became 45 minutes of walking  real walking
in skin burning SUN and hot air
i felt like a vampire in the sun and  i was smimming in my own underware...
that was the first time we noticed the small distinct  other way of 
seeing distances
at that point were were awake for 28 hours, to give you a bit the 
feelling we had in our remainders of brain

we espacily go first to see supermarkets when we arrive in other countrys
for us it is like a contempary museum of the living culture or like 
the ambasy of lifestyl
what you see there is what you will get for the rest of the time beeing

so my remarks are
were do you find non sugar containing yogurt and when i say non sugar i 
do not want some kind of fake/synthetic sugar in it
like aspartaan or what ever   we could not find any natural non 
sugartasty yogurt  IMPOSSIBLE
and the more you see other products the more you notice that vertualy 
all is sugary, sweetend, honny.

where are those lovly hard baked cookies biscuits and other delights?
it seems to be mostly half baked whatevers
i like them crunchy

what the HELL happend whit chocolate in the USA
why does all chocolate products taste like ... well i can not decribe it
must be some recycled wasteproduct of the pertochem industry
my god that is in the eys of us belgiums (and swiss) like  blasfamy
you shall not rape or violate the 

Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Clay Blackwell]

Wow, Susan - in defending LA, you surely slammed NYC!  I've been to the 
city many times, and I don't share your view of New Yorkers.


Clay


Susan Reishus wrote:

From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to LA
several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling and
all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  
The same when I have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is

completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even answering
you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
Monaco, for instance.


The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other which
escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to look
or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
beautiful people who do it.
Best,Susan Reishus
 
hallo to all


So we went to the USA
I finaly did not take knitting needles on the plane
because i all to well remember that custums and airportsecurity peolpe 
lac any kind of polite and frindly comprehensive caracter
i beleve they are specialy trained in beeing a  in the . it is 
at your own imagination to fill in the .

when i finaly was on that plane,
I a was happy not to have my knittigneedles
there is no place to move around my arms and elbows to knit..
not whitout hurting the co-passengers anyway
so no knitting

i fly a lot evry year in europe short cityhoppers  so in and out the plane
and it is always out of holliday periods
so i forgot how it is when you do travel in holidayperiods
what it is like to have very small, small and even bigger children on 
the plane

or the nonstop blond narative waterfall
or big dinosoruslike persons next to you or behind you
whom just fit in the chair and even beyond that chair
and were you have to dwell and survive for 8 painfully long hours evry 
airbreeding movement and other fysical  movements

were you feel the knees of that person al to we in your back
where you see and mostly hear the children of parents whom lost the 
parental battle against there own monsters a veryyy long time ago
boy o boy i still want children but that are the moments were you realy 
think twice

somehow you seem to not feel the dinosaur anymore
somehow you seem to not notice the little gremlins  anymore
somehow you seem to be able to dwell in a state of sleeping and not 
noticing all the rest


we survived the trip

and suddenly you are in Los Angeles
it was the first time we were in the USA
it realy is DIFFEREND
not in big ways but in small remarcable thinghs
the first thing we noticed was the imens amounts of traffic
and all those small busses for the hotels, and carparks etcetc
sooo many traffic
and soo big cars, driving monsters on 4 or more wheels
big bigger bigest shining metal monsters
we did not see any old cars
it was like a new presenting carshow

we took the ride to the hotel
settled down and asked at the concierge were we could find a supermarket
BIG MISTAKE..
he said only 10 minutes around the corner a bit further
welll those 10 minutes became 45 minutes of walking  real walking
in skin burning SUN and hot air
i felt like a vampire in the sun and  i was smimming in my own underware...
that was the first time we noticed the small distinct  other way of 
seeing distances
at that point were were awake for 28 hours, to give you a bit the 
feelling we had in our remainders of brain


we espacily go first to see supermarkets when we arrive in other countrys
for us it is like a contempary museum of the living culture or like 
the ambasy of lifestyl

what you see there is what you will get for the rest of the time beeing

so my remarks are
were do you find non sugar containing yogurt and when i say non sugar i 
do not want some kind of fake/synthetic sugar in it
like aspartaan or what ever   we could not find any natural non 
sugartasty yogurt  IMPOSSIBLE
and the more you see other products the more you notice that vertualy 
all is sugary, sweetend, honny.


where are those lovly hard baked cookies biscuits and other delights?
it seems to be mostly half baked whatevers
i like them crunchy

what the HELL happend whit chocolate in the USA
why does all chocolate products taste like ... well i can 

[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Susan Reishus]

Oh, I slammed it?  Not my intention, just comparisons.  I just think New
Yorkers can be very cool and rude, but I still like the city.  My ex was born
and raised in Manhattan, one of those prep school boys so biases me toward
even more endearment, but I have never been treated so badly (other than one
European city), and I went regularly  Perhaps some things have changed since
9/11.  
LA people aren't the same at all, compared to the former.  Of course if you
are near an airport or convention center that will attract a whole 'nother
attitude altogether, often non-reflective of a cities inhabitants.  I didn't
define some European cities, which can be extremely rude, even with  local
friends hosting me and as a buffer.
Oh well.  Odd how people read words differently than intended, but I was
frank, but not nearly as much so as Francis was.  smile 
Oddly, I don't find it funny as per other comments, as it is sad that Francis
had such a bad time and was so disappointed. There can be rotten apples in any
bunch, but there are patterns or tones that areas have.
Plain yogurt can be found in any supermarket I have been in, but is not
obvious as there are perhaps one or two brands, compared to dozens of sugared
or fake-sugared ones.
Best,Susan Reishus  
--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention
To: Susan Reishus elationrelat...@yahoo.com
Cc: post to Arachne lace@arachne.com
Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 2:07 PM

Wow, Susan - in defending LA, you surely slammed NYC!  I've been to the city
many times, and I don't share your view of New Yorkers.

Clay


Susan Reishus wrote:
 From: Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be
 Subject: [lace] our USA ioli adventure part 1
 I hope you don't think that Los Angeles, is representative of the US!  No
 disrespect to LA, but just like Europe, there are cities and farm fields,
 friendly and lots of not-so-friendly,  I used to travel to NYC all the time
 for business, and am always stymied at how rude people are.  I have been to
LA
 several times and though not as bad, there is a similar big city feeling
and
 all that that brings (though I live in a city elsewhere).  The same when I
have been to Europe.  How I am treated in a large city is
 completely different than a smaller town.  People vary from not even
answering
 you when you speak their language, to asking you home for dinner in Nice or
 Monaco, for instance.    
 The only non-sugar that I can think of is stevia, (sorgum, and one other
which
 escapes my mind).  All supermarkets have stevia, but you have to know to
look
 or just ask.  Now Cargill and Coca Cola have come out with their own brand
 name version, but again, stevia is available most anywhere except the most
 rural situations, and they probably have the branded version.
 Did you go to Rodeo Drive?  LOL
 I hope you found a plethora of wonderful people at the convention, at least
 all pre-bonded by their passion for creating beautiful things, and the
 beautiful people who do it.
 Best,Susan Reishus

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Ilske Thomsen]

Dear lacefriends,
Just back from a wonderful lace class full of new ideas but missing the 
time to realize them I had a very short look over my 125 mails and will 
answer this one.
The congresses of Deutscher Klöppel Verband are a bit in another way as 
those from IOLI. We search our hotels or holiday appartements or what 
ever ourselves and aren't all together in one hotel all the time. Over 
the years the participants has become more and more. We have more than 
4.000 members but we don't have what you call, if I remeber right, 
Chapter groups. So the congress is the event and for lots of us it is 
a family event. there are little lacedays all over the country, I 
should say all over Europe meanwhile but the IOLI_meeting and our 
congress are comparable. I never took care how many members has taken 
part but I think the last years more than 400. What I can tell you for 
sure is that for the congress 2005 61 vendors has promised to come (I 
couldn't caunt them because I was in the US at that time). Our members 
aren't only Germans they come from all of Europe and there are some US 
people also. And as in your country some lacemakers are in several 
associations, i myself still in 4.
For our competitions we have more than 24 participants, the booklet 
with the works from 2005 has 88 pages, ok there are perhaps sometimes 
details taken and then one piece needs two pages but for sure not 
allways. For sure I can tell you that in 1999 there were 102 pieces 
three of them out of competition and 12 weren't in the correct way. So 
we had 90 from 13 countries.
Hope this clears a bit the differences, sorry that it has become so 
long.

Greetings

ilske

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Ilske Thomsen]

Oh, sorry Lacefriends,
I was too quick. I still found some other dates. In 2003 the theme was 
Spiegelungen/ reflections, can I say so?In that year were only 53 but 
 4 not for competition s o only 49 from 7 countries.

You see it is different from year to year.
Greetings

Ilske

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[lace] Re: IOLI convention (and competitions)

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 7, 2005, at 15:35, Dagmar Machyckova wrote:

I couldn't possibly justify going to the entire convention and so I at 
least persuaded my newly-wed husband, that Colorado is the perfect 
place for Honeymoon.


Indeed! And congratulations on your powers of persuasion - the earlier 
you start training them, the better :)


We really enjoyed all the vendors, but were surprised at how few 
people there were. It seems that in Europe the lace days are much 
bigger.


Quite likely; there are more vendors in Europe than there are in 
Northern America (US and Canada). And for European vendors to come here 
and haul their stock is not especially profitable, especiallly with the 
dollar in the doldrums. Some of them do it if they can combine teaching 
and selling, but not many come just to sell.


Since this was my first IOLI convention I was wondering if this one 
was above or below average??. Is 25 pieces in the competition a lot? 
and how come if there is so many IOLI members there weren't more 
lacemakers willing to compete??


VBG 25 pieces in the competition is a very respectable number 
indeed... I remember submitting an entry in '91 and getting first in 
BL. Only after I stopped jumping up and down in glee (I had been making 
lace for 18 months when I submitted the piece) I looked at the number 
of competitors... I think I got first out of 4 or 5 entries, which 
neatly pricked my self-important balloon :) Though I never told DH that 
(like Carol and her won in the raffle g) - my ribbon was my 
passport to more time spent at the pillow without having to listen to 
the catalogue of un-done domestic chores... :)


And, speaking of competitions - now that y'all are homing back... I got 
an invitation to judge lace entries at the Virginia State Fair - again. 
And have accepted - again.


It's a 2.5-3hr trip (one way) for me, $20+ in gas, with a packed lunch 
gobbled hastily at a rest-stop... So, please, please send some entries? 
So that I don't have to spend 5-6 hours driving and 15 minutes judging? 
You don't even have to be a Virginia resident to participate...


details are available:
http://www.statefair.com/arts_and_crafts.asp

and entries are due Sept 2; just enough time to get your ducks in a row 
and finish that project which had been on your pillow for ages...



Hoping to be at the next convention for a whole week


Yeah, so was I, but I just heard that the hotel room is 180 Canadian 
dollars per night. At the current exchange rate it's (almost) 150 US 
bucks; much too rich for my blood...


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI convention update

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Aug 7, 2005, at 12:59, Alice Howell wrote:

Cathy had some of Tamara's variations to show us, and a picture of the 
techniques incorporated into a larger motif from South Africa.


The fish with the rose eye and roll scales was from Jeanette 
Fischer (also an Arachnean) and the most inventive way to use the 
Rosalibre technique I've seen so far. But, naturally, I'm more 
interested in my own stuff... :) Did y'all come up with a *name* for 
the 7? 'cause I'm almost ready to redo it as a 6-petalled one, which 
may not be as pretty (I agree with the Japanese that odd numbers are 
more pleasing visually), but is more likely to be biologically 
correct, as well as allowing for more colour play...


The Arachne luncheon drew many of us together.  I didn't count, but 
would guess we had  50-80  Arachnians present.


Since I didn't get that dizzy feeling while it was happening, I have to 
assume that not all of you lifted a glass for the absent friends, as 
requested :)


I too have used my convention time profitably (if unexpensively g) 
and the lace for the next IOLI Bulletin - earrings and pendant in wire, 
with earrings also made in metallic thread for comparison - is all 
done. Now to finish scribbling...

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention/Denver

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:47, Vasna Zago wrote:
That's a new - and very welcome - wrinkle; I can't remember 
receiving
one of those before (not that I've been to all that many Conventions
g), but I appreciate it.
Brilliant idea, Vasna, thanks! And thank the rest of the group; am
looking forward to be welcomed to Colorado in August :)
Actually, we stole the idea from the Keystone Lacers in Harrisburg 
from last
year.  Just want to give credit where credit is due.  :-
OK, I did not go there last year, so wouldn't have got the card. It was 
a hard choice... An IOLI Convention on the doorstep (or almost) was 
extremely tempting but, OIDFA in Prague (next door to Poland, allowing 
me to kill two birds with one transatlantic ticket g) was even more 
tempting. I've been to a couple of IOLI Conventions before and had 
hopes for attending more, but Prague was likely to be my one shot at 
attending an OIDFA Congress. And, needess to say, my purse wouldn't 
stretch far enough to cover both events...

And, we have about 65 registrations so far for the Arachne lunch, so 
all y'all
(western term meaning more than one you all)
y'all means more than one you Down South heah also. I think only 
the North  never got the idea, being so happy ridiculing/misusing it.

--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Mary L. Tod]

At 9:46 PM -0700 3/16/05, Vasna Zago wrote:
Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There 
are no extra
spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much less
renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing major
financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for an
outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, 
that option no
longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And, to
get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other 
professional
conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.
The Embroiderers' Guild of America, Inc., has smaller regional 
seminars in some years, and in my area (Mid-Atlantic), we used to 
hold these seminars on university campuses until the late 1990s. But 
after that time, they changed to being held at hotels. Why? Because 
the organizers found that the universities had started charging as 
much as convention-style hotels for definitely not convention-style 
accommodations. It seems that the universities had caught on to the 
fact that they could make some real money renting out their space for 
these types of activities. This may not be true everywhere, but it is 
a factor in this part of the country.
As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to 
do.  And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is not going
to like the arrangement.  They/we do the best we can and hope the majority of
people will be happy.

Although it does mean one extra night in the hotel, I think it is 
nice to have a one-day break in the middle, especially for a newbie 
to lace-making, so that her head doesn't just overflow with all the 
learning crammed in there from intensive workshops. Even if you 
choose not to take a trip but instead work on your lace, it's at a 
more relaxed pace, with no time restrictions on when you're doing it, 
and so allows one to perhaps clear the brain a little for the next 2 
days of lessons.

--
Mary, in Baltimore, MD
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location,

[Sue Babbs]

Some colleges do conferences, and some don't.  The Pacific Northwest (USA) 
regional conferences have been held at colleges.
Many mid-western colleges / universities would not hold summer conferences 
because they are not air-conditioned (and I can tell you that most of us 
wouldn't enjoy that experience! Round Chicago is it hot and humid in the 
summer) The semesters are arranged so that the students aren't there in the 
summer months for a good reason!

Sue Babbs
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[lace] Re: IOLI convention at schools

[Jeff and Lee Daly]

Hi Arachnes,
I agree with Vasna about using schools for classes. Either school is in 
session (most of the year) or it is not (potentially the summer) but at that 
time, the staff is gone. They do not have food, or many services. Yes, there 
would be classroom space, but we would need maintenance staff to move the 
desks out of the way. There are rarely elevators and there are great 
distances between buildings so the class schedule would have to be modified 
to allow for time between classes too. (I HATED walking to class at my New 
Jersey alma mater!)
The school would not do any of the registration, room assignments, 
individual payments for rooms... my list could go on.  Basically, it becomes 
more of a do-it-yourself project on all counts. A convention committee does 
a tremendous amount of work as it is - usually with excellent results, I 
might add.
Lee Daly
in sunny New Jersey 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Dmt11home]

In a message dated 3/16/2005 11:33:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There's  but a *single* obstacle (as far as I've heard) to organising 
IOLI  Conferences on U campuses: the elder membership (the majority of  
attendees) is disinclined to *walk* from one building to the next  
(bedroom-food-class sequence)... And some object to student fare vis  
food on the been there, done that 40 yrs before, and don't want to do  
it again principle (but you send your precious child into the same  
environment, without a second thought, no?). Unstated but understood is  
also the problem that some of the elder attendes would not *fit* in  
(on?) a single bed...



Having spent some time among the mobility impaired while still youthful,  I 
would like to offer the observation that the IOLI Convention is a vacation  
that, generally speaking, is one that you can do with limited mobility,  
especially if the hotel is well supplied with elevators. (Funny how sedentary  
hobbies attract people who don't walk too well.) Last year's convention in  
Harrisburg demonstrated the importance of a handicapped friendly environment.  
Although in some ways the layout was good, only two floors to the hotel. In  
other 
ways it was bad since there was a set of stairs at the entrance that must  be 
traversed with suitcases etc. Worst of all was that many of the activities  
took place in a two story lobby with a stair case. The banquet/sales room was 
on  
the bottom floor below the two story lobby, and was equipped with a  
cumbersome wheel chair lift rather than an elevator. One day I was present  
when a 
group of perhaps fifteen, including hotel employees, friends and  supporters of 
a 
wheel chair bound individual and curiosity seekers gathered to  assist in 
transporting the person down the stairs to the sales room. Meanwhile a  steady 
stream of people using canes, some of them red in the face and breathing  
laboriously were working their way up the other side of the steps crying out,  
I'm 
OK, I'm OK, really I am.
Undoubtedly all these people would have to stay home if they had to walk to  
cafeterias and classrooms in other parts of the campus, or else there would 
have  to be cadres of people transporting them in vans, etc. 
And sometimes after a day of extremely exhausting and painful transporting  
yourself around, you might want to splash out for room service! It is often 
said  that being disabled is expensive and in a sense the entire convention is 
bearing  the expense of being available to people who are not terribly mobile, 
but that  is a lot of our group. (Some of this impairment is invisible in the 
form of  heart problems.)
How did they handle handicapped people in Prague? When I visited Germany  
which is as far east in Europe as I have dared to go since becoming mobility  
impaired, I was amazed at the number of people I saw dragging themselves  
around 
on two canes, until I realized that they were building brand new  buildings 
with no elevators there, so wheel chairs were not very useful.  It was two 
canes, or stay home. It really weeded out the weaklings! (I  began to take my 
cane 
everywhere because, while in the US you can just operate  as a normal person 
using elevators and escalators, in Germany when you arrive  with a cane, 
sometimes, if you are lucky, word is sent to the back office and in  about ten 
minutes someone arrives with a key and unlocks a freight elevator for  you and 
conducts you up to the fourth floor. Of course, when it is time to  leave, that 
person is nowhere to be found.)
However this points out a basic problem that the accommodations very much  
determine who goes to conventions. The needs of younger people and the needs of 
 
older people are somewhat in conflict. Pity the poor organizers of  
conventions.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention at schools

[robinlace]

Some universities have stopped renting to conventions and some never did.  
However, there are still many that have a reduced enrollment during summer and 
use conventions to make the summer school more cost-effective.  I've been to 
many scientific meetings at universities, as recently as 2003 (didn't get to go 
last year).  The accomodations were a whole lot less expensive than when the 
same organization met at a hotel.  However, it was a case of getting what you 
paid for.  

When the meetings were too big for a university (they may have lecture halls, 
but not necessarily banquet rooms and rooms for sales), they met in good (but 
not 5-star) hotels.  The convention was contained in one building, so walking 
to class was easy and cool, the room was cleaned daily, and there was a 
restaurant on-site.  

At universities, the dorm rooms were smaller, less comfortable (a student desk, 
hard chair, and twin bed instead of a table and upholstered chairs), one 
bathroom shared with the whole wing of rooms, and often a long ways from the 
meeting rooms.  One meeting had shuttles because the dorms and meetings were 
almost a mile apart, but at least that one was flat--I've also attended 
meetings where the dorms were atop one mountain and the meetings were atop 
another.  And 25 or more people sharing one bathroom, even though there are 
multiple sinks/showers/toilets, can mean serious delay in getting through one's 
morning routine.  Some dorms had cafeterias, a nice thing for a 
quick-but-filling breakfast, but crowded, noisy, and mediocre food.  

All of these incoveniences are fine for college-aged kids, but as they get 
older, many people become less willing to put up with that sort of living 
condition.  Some local committees may be worried they'd lose a lot of patrons 
if they held their convention at a uni.  A lot of older scientists didn't go to 
those meetings that didn't have a nearby hotel (and shuttle) in addition to 
dorms.

As for elevators, most universities have had to install some for ADA compliance 
(Americans with Disabilities Act).  And, in my experience, the university dorm 
administration handled room assignments.  Granted, not all lace groups willing 
to organize an IOLI convention will have a uni nearby that meets all their 
needs, but that doesn't mean we couldn't have some of the conventions at a uni. 
 Not that I'm volunteering to put one on, mind you! G

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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 I agree with Vasna about using schools for classes. Either school 
 is in session (most of the year) or it is not (potentially the summer) 
 but at that time, the staff is gone. They do not have food, or many services. 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location x 3 - and price

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone
Yes, this is a most interesting thread - one should certainly never take
for granted the volunteer effort behind the lace
conventions/conferences/seminars/gathering-things.

The first task for any organizer is to identify the choices of 'where'
then eliminate by 'too' - such as too far from airport (or somesuch), too
small, too expensive, cheap but too uncomfortable, etc., and a biggy -
good but too booked :(

Most public places in NA have to be wheelchair accessible, ergo the less
ambulatory should be able to get around as well. If walking distance could
pose problems, it would do for the lace gathering organizer to keep in
mind a shuttle service from accommodation to classes, such as presented
itself for our PNWL conference at UVic last year (by the courtesy of one
very kind lacemaker and her husband).

Campus conference facilities can be very good - see if 'conferences
services' is listed in the links at a particular campus website. They will
list capacities, and services available and you'll know very soon if it
'too' is or isn't a possibility.

 --
bye for now
Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Carol Adkinson]

Added to which, there are some husbands who don't play golf, and wouldn't
dream of spending that amount of money just on themselves, over however long
a period.   I know - I have one!But he has never begrudged me my
hobbies, and was always very supportive of me taking off for a weekend or
two every year, at a residential college, to indulge my hobbies!

Carol - in Suffolk UK.

  Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending
$1000
  for a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks
  playing golf?
  Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.

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Fwd: re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Diane Williams]

Spiders,

I meant to send the response below to the list, but
only sent it to Bev!

Diane

 Bev,
 
 I'll be the first to answer your survey.  I am
 attending my 3rd convention.  I'm 39, married, one
 7-year son, work full-time and burn one week of
 vacation for the convention.  Last year we took a
 family vacation to Gettysburg (historic battleground
 near Harrisburg) prior to the convention, the boys
 dropped me off and came home and I followed after
 the
 convention was over.  This year they are planning a
 fishing trip to coincide with the time that I am
 gone.
  Next year I may not go to convention because we are
 planning a family vacation to Disneyworld.
 
 Diane Williams
 Galena, Illinois USA
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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 16, 2005, at 19:50, Janice Blair wrote:
I have been to all conventions, except Puerto Rico, since the one held 
in Ann Arbor.  I have no recollection of staying at a 5 star hotel and 
some of them would be lucky to receive 3 stars!
$100 per night is sky-high for some of us, no matter how lousy the 
hotel really is. I agree with Weronika - and have been beating this 
same drum for years, like Cato and his Cartagina obsession - the lace 
get togethers ought to be set in (on?) a University campus environment; 
the last OIDFA, in Prague, was a *model* in that respect... And every 
city large enough to have a convention-friendly hotel is likely to 
have a U campus as well, so that's not an issue.

1) You have an option to share the - dorm - room (and are likely to 
share the bathroom with more than one person), or you can have a room 
to yourself if you're willing to pay extra. But, even if you share a 
*room*, you don't have to share a *bed* (something I personally dislike 
to the point of abhorrence; the more so, the older I grow) - the beds 
are singles, being aimed at students, not families.

2) You never run out of *proper* classroom space - something that 
happened both in Hasbrouck Heights and in Ithaca, where some people had 
to have classes in bedrooms or in suites, which were not really 
suitable as classrooms. Even if there *are* enough conference rooms 
in a hotel to accomodate 35 separate courses (I counted the Denver 
ones), the needs for quality light of businessmen on the one hand and 
stitchers on the other are not likely to be the same. Classrooms, 
unlike conference rooms are likely to be both large and well lit.

3) Universities may not have ballrooms, but they do have large halls - 
they need them for functions (graduations, etc)

4) The U cafeteria food may be unimaginative and a tad heavy on the 
starches, but it offers *some* choice and is *still* cheaper than the 
special of the day at *any* hotel large enough to have its own 
restaurant. And, in US, at least, fast-food places if not actually *on* 
campus (some universities have food courts on campus) are within less 
then spitting distance - students migh riot, if deprived of theit pizza 
:)

There's but a *single* obstacle (as far as I've heard) to organising 
IOLI Conferences on U campuses: the elder membership (the majority of 
attendees) is disinclined to *walk* from one building to the next 
(bedroom-food-class sequence)... And some object to student fare vis 
food on the been there, done that 40 yrs before, and don't want to do 
it again principle (but you send your precious child into the same 
environment, without a second thought, no?). Unstated but understood is 
also the problem that some of the elder attendes would not *fit* in 
(on?) a single bed...

The OIDFA/Prague organisers did - IMO - a brilliant job of marrying 
the divergent needs of have's and have not's... They booked places 
in surrounding (and superiour g) *little* hotels for those who 
couldn't stomach the U hoi-polloi as their daily fare. Those hotels 
were all within a short taxi-ride (1-3 bus stops) from the campus and 
the events. To be sure, it was a pain to collect them (and their 
complaints) on a trip day, but better than having them bitch abut low 
standards 24/7... And since all U meals were by choice, they could have 
theirs - better - elsewhere. Perfect.

When I attend IOLI (and other US) events, I try to stay at the hub. But 
I *do* resent -whether I'm flush or skint - having to spend a load of 
moolah (on top of a load of moolah spent on the air ticket), on hotel 
do-dads like environmentally-incorrect one-use shampoo bottles etc, 
only to be faced with having to work in a make-shift classroom...

Finding a hotel to have the convention
*Why* does it have to be a *hotel*???
Weronika, you will not be alone on Wednesday if you miss out on the 
trips.  I plan on working on my lace that day
So do I. But, like Weronika, I'd prefer to be able to opt-out of a trip 
at one *end* of the event, not in the middle of it. With the trip in 
the middle, whether I take it or not, I still have to pay for the hotel 
room for that night...

We can walk to the Super Walmart to stock up on cheap food.
Their advertisements don't always live up to their delivery - you have 
to watch your step carefully.

Wonder if they sell cheap plonk as well.
Ours does. *Very* cheap... barely a step above denatured alcohol, at 
least in 1liter bottles. The gallons might offer something drinkable :)

Weronika, plonk is Brit for cheap wine
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Vasna Zago]

 On Mar 16, 2005, at 19:50, Janice Blair wrote:

  I have been to all conventions, except Puerto Rico, since the one held
  in Ann Arbor.  I have no recollection of staying at a 5 star hotel and
  some of them would be lucky to receive 3 stars!

Tamara wrote:

 $100 per night is sky-high for some of us, no matter how lousy the
 hotel really is. I agree with Weronika - and have been beating this
 same drum for years, like Cato and his Cartagina obsession - the lace
 get togethers ought to be set in (on?) a University campus environment;
 the last OIDFA, in Prague, was a *model* in that respect... And every
 city large enough to have a convention-friendly hotel is likely to
 have a U campus as well, so that's not an issue.

(rest snipped.)

Geesh, Tamara, sometimes there's no making you happy, eh?  ;-

Anyway, I have a few comments.  One, is that it's impossible to find a decent
hotel room under $100/night these days.  Lots of my faculty go to conferences
all over and room rates are running about $150-$180 per night.  Secondly,
conference fees normally run in the $350 range, so IOLI convention registration
fees currently are dirt cheap.

Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There are no extra
spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much less
renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing major
financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for an
outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, that option no
longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And, to
get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other professional
conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.

As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to do.  And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is not going
to like the arrangement.  They/we do the best we can and hope the majority of
people will be happy.

Just my two cents, ma'am.

Vasna
In sunny Boulder, Colorado, where the crocuses got buried in the snow this week.

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Lorri Ferguson]

  Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences anymore.
  School runs year round.  Students are in the dorms all year. There are no
extra
  spaces, we barely have enough space for our own classes and staff, much
less
  renting precious classrooms out to conferences.  Universities are facing
major
  financial difficulties, and the times when one could rent a university for
an
  outside conference (at least here in the US) are long gone.  So, that option
no
  longer exists for IOLI convention planners.  It's a hotel or nothing.  And,
to
  get a hotel with any amount of classroom space means it's gonna cost the
  convention go-ers.  Them's the facts.  BUT, in comparison to other
professional
  conferences, IOLI is still a terrific bargain.


  Your university may not 'do' conferences but others do.  We held a
conference at a local U in 2001 and had great service.
  'Doing Conferences' is their summer business.  We plan to use it or another
one in 2-3 years when we host again.
  Lorri
  Washington State

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention -location, location, location - and price

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 16, 2005, at 23:46, Vasna Zago wrote:
Geesh, Tamara, sometimes there's no making you happy, eh?  ;-
On the contrary... I'm easy to please, as long as my pocket-snake 
(which bites whenever I dip im my pocket for cash) remains sleepy... :) 
Mild as milk and twice as bland - that's me :)

Anyway, I have a few comments.  One, is that it's impossible to find a 
decent
hotel room under $100/night these days.
Granted.
Lots of my faculty go to conferences all over and room rates are 
running about $150-$180 per night.
Some of those conference rooms are not paid by attendees, but by their 
firm. Less so in the case of teachers (who are less and less likely 
to go, even though the conferences might be vital to them), but for 
certain sure in the case of the big cheeses (currently on trials for 
fraud)... The hotels have beenn trimming their rates to people on 
business accounts for years, as have the airlines.

Secondly, conference fees normally run in the $350 range, so IOLI 
convention registration fees currently are dirt cheap.
I didn't even think of questioning the registration fee - I feel we get 
a heck of a lot for it (though I'd happily drop the goodie bag for a 
$25 discount) - but now that you mention it... :) The normal 
conferences you're talking about are for *professionals*; IOLI 
conference, in contrast, is for people pursuing a hobby. We are not 
attending a conference and the workshops because - armed with all we 
learn there - we hope to make big bucks in the future... We go for 
personal enrichment, yes, but it has a different face :)

Thirdly, I work at a university, and they don't do conferences 
anymore.
Like some other people have said - depends on the school. Washington 
and Lee (the local U, *mostly* undergraduate) started to promote 
summer activities some 20+ yrs ago, as a means of getting money; 
parts of the U *had* to be open all year round but most of the paying 
students (undergraduates) went home for 3 months.

I've never known them to do *business* conferences, but they do all 
sorts of stuff - Alumni College (older people - alumni and spouses - 
coming back for some mental reinvigoration) , Summer Scholars (kids in 
junior year of highschool thinking of going to college getting a taste 
of it), various sports camps (one to three week long), and Arts Fair 
(4 weeks of art classes for kids between 6 and 18; 4 hrs a day, no 
food, no lodging, just classroom space). Given an early-enough booking, 
they *might* be willing to put up a lace conference. It wouldn't be as 
good for them as the other enterprises - I don't think any of the 
faculty could be employed as teachers, for example. But lace is still 
culture, and qualifies as adding to the cachet :) And there ar other 
colleges (junior) around, with fewer resources and, therefore, fewer 
scruples...

BUT, in comparison to other professional conferences, IOLI is still a 
terrific bargain.
In comparison to (other) *professional* conferences, yes... But we *are 
not* professionals; we are housewives, dabbbling at a hobby... We are 
not sponsored - in any part - by our place of employment (if we're 
employed at all); we have to shell out of our own pocket, no taxpayer 
money involved...

As to when the tours happen (mid week, late week), the times and 
length of
classes, etc., it's all up to what the convention planners want to do. 
 And, as
we can tell from the messages, here, whatever one does, SOMEBODY is 
not going
to like the arrangement.
You can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people 
some of the time, but not both; sure. But the profile of workshops 
offered at the Conferences has changed over the 16 yrs I've been a 
member of IOLI; the 3hr and the 6hr workshops seem to have 
disappeared (RIP g), and the 12hr and the 24hr ones have become 
prominent. Presumably, because *intensive* was what most people wanted. 
So, who knows... If enough people object to paying for a night in a 
hotel room so that others can attend something totally unrelated to 
lace (a horse-shoe toss or whatever), then the attraction will also 
be moved in such a way as to accomodate the tourists but without 
putting the onus on the lacemakers.

Just my two cents, ma'am.
Heck, with the dollar in the dumps, I never bother with less than a 
quarter... Ma'am :)

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[lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Barbara Bulgarelli]

How do you Explaining to my husband why I want to spend $1000 on a lace 
conference... ?
Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending $1000 for 
a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks playing golf?
Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Sue Babbs]

How do you Explaining to my husband why I want to spend $1000 on a lace 
conference... ?
Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending $1000 
for a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks 
playing golf?
Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.
In this case they are both still students (I think) and only married last 
summer, so I expect $1000 will be a big issue for them both. We certainly 
couldn't have afforded that amount of money for a vacation for us both, let 
alone for one of us when we were just married (just after college)
Sue 

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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Weronika Patena]

Thanks to everyone for the encouragement!  Looks like I'm going!! 
At least if I get the classes I wanted. 

As for the husband issue, yep, we're students, but the money problem isn't that
bad - it's just that I am actually spending more on my hobbies than he is on
his, so I sort of feel bad about it.  But, he says it's OK.  

Weronika

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 08:41:11AM -0600, Sue Babbs wrote:
 How do you Explaining to my husband why I want to spend $1000 on a lace 
 conference... ?
 Does your husband play golf?  What's the difference between spending $1000 
 for a lace conference and spending $100 a week for at least 10 weeks 
 playing golf?
 Same goes for any other spouse hobbies.
 
 In this case they are both still students (I think) and only married last 
 summer, so I expect $1000 will be a big issue for them both. We certainly 
 couldn't have afforded that amount of money for a vacation for us both, let 
 alone for one of us when we were just married (just after college)
 Sue 
 
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re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone, and IOLI convention-goers

As a matter of interest - and I could answer it myself if I was able to go
to a convention year after year (I'd be like you, Lee-Ann, family in tent
back home...) vbg - on average, who attends the IOLI convention? All
ages (if so, many from any age group)? Mostly 'older' - 40 +, 50 + or 60 +
? Anybody's guess?

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bye for now
Bev, deep in daffodils, in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
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re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Alice Howell]

At 11:25 AM 3/15/2005, you wrote:
 on average, who attends the IOLI convention? All
ages (if so, many from any age group)? Mostly 'older' - 40 +, 50 + or 60 +
? Anybody's guess?

I can't speak for the whole attendance, but our group will include a 14 
year old, though I must admit that most of our group are retired.  Of the 
nine from my area, there's one under 30, 3 between 30 and 60, and 5 over 60 
(at my best guess because I didn't ask 
them). 

I, myself, could not attend until I retired.  IOLI was always the same week 
my supervisor took his vacation, and no one else could have that week 
off.  I would have given my eyeteeth to go some years.  I'm sure there are 
others with work restraints that would not permit attendance while 
working.  Because of this, probably the largest age group is the over 60's.

However, there is no age division in lacemaking.  The 14 year old and the 
80 year old can work side by side very contentedly.  We are all exploring a 
delightful art, and age becomes immaterial.

Looking forward,
Alice In Oregon
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI convention

[mimi23boyz]

Tamara wrote:But that's why I refuse to even think about booking the 
plane ticket until I know; the hotel room you can cancel without 
penalty, but not the ticket. 

Actually, I've booked my hotel room at the conference hotel, and the person I 
spoke with said that I could cancel up until 6:00 pm the first night.  However, 
the fine print says that they will charge one night's room rate for 
cancellations.  I wonder if that means cancellations after 6:00, or all 
cancellations?

Clay

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[lace] RE: IOLI convention

[purple lacer]

I'm looking forward to my very first IOLI convention this year!!!  Hopefully 
it will be the first of many.  I am so excited!  I'm looking forward to the 
Arachne lunch too.  I guess I better start doing more talking on the list 
so you won't say Who is she?  LOL!

Anita
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
midwest USA
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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention 2005

[Jeff and Lee Daly]

Wernika,
Please try to convince your husband to go to the convention. The convention 
in 1989 was the first one that my DH went to. We spent the weekend in the 
Rockies then proceeded to Denver. All the female chit-chat at registration 
sent him out of the room, but there were so many things he found to do 
during the day that he said he would be willing to go back another time 
because he had not done all the things he had wanted!

Lee Daly
in New Jersey USA where it is too cold to melt the snow but sunny at least
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Re: [lace] Re: IOLI Convention 2005

[Weronika Patena]

Don't worry - I very much doubt he'd be at all interested in that. 
It would be all different right now, but the conference is in the summer, when
we'll actually be living together again, so I don't think he'd want to leave
work for a week basically just to get to sleep with me g (since we'd be apart
all day for classes and stuff anyway). 

Weronika

On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 08:39:36PM -0500, Tamara P Duvall wrote:
 On Mar 14, 2005, at 13:47, Jeff and Lee Daly wrote:
 
 Weronika,
 
 Please try to convince your husband to go to the convention.
 
 No, no, no; bite your tongue! :) I want to room with her, so we can 
 practice our Polish (though neither of us knows much Polish for 
 lacemaking, and we'd love to have a third - non-Polish roomie - to keep 
 us on the straight and narrow). A tagging DH would throw a monkey 
 wrench into those plans... :)
 
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[lace] Re: IOLI convention

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Mar 13, 2005, at 19:11, Alice Howell wrote (in response to Weronika):
I'm going, along with 8 others from my immediate area.
Me too, I hope :)
Almost every major type of lace has a class, though the most popular 
fill up very fast.  That's why you have to choose several options.
This year, I gambled... On the one hand, I wanted to go - my step 
daughter lives nearby (Boulder) and I could stop with her for a few 
days afterwards; my very first American friend (and still beloved, even 
though I've not seen her for years) will be there... On the other hand, 
there weren't all that many classes I really wanted to take, and I 
can't excuse spending a lot of cash for a social occasion and a 
frustrating lace experience (been there, done that). So, I put down for 
only one class in the morning (Lenka's advanced wire) and one in the 
afternoon (Louise Colgan's advanced Milanese)... I get them, I go; I 
don't get them, I save the money for something else (maybe Ithaca in 
October again). But that's why I refuse to even think about booking the 
plane ticket until I know; the hotel room you can cancel without 
penalty, but not the ticket.

In that week you will have at least 50 hours of intense lace 
experiences -- and that comes to only $20 an hour for your $1000 
investment.Try getting your car fixed for that rate. Or hiring a 
lawyer. Or any other skilled work.
:) When I first started to learn needlepoint ('81? '82?), I was 
appalled at the initial costs; the book was a Christmas gift, but 
everything else (supplies) had to be bought... The owner of the 
needlework shop (we still had one, then) simply said: hour for hour, 
it's about a tenth of what the psychiatrist would charge. Which 
applies, in spades, to a *well chosen* workshop in congenial 
surroundings :) Like Alice said, being around other lacemakers for 
several days is a tonic, even without a teacher. But here, you also get 
a teacher who's likely to be the very best in her (and sometimes his) 
area... Worldwide, since IOLI always invites the teachers from 
all-over, and that's true this year also (might be the last time, 
though, if the dollar keeps plunging g).

Yes, a conference at a large commercial hotel is expensive.  It's 
difficult to find any other type of place that has enough classrooms, 
large meeting halls, and sleeping rooms for a lace conference.
I still think we don't explore the possibility of using university 
campuses aggressively enough. The lace events I've been to in Europe, 
which tend to take place at such, have been perfectly satisfactory vis 
food and lodging, and the classrooms *better* than anything a hotel can 
offer.

However,  sharing a room with one, two or three others will cut down 
that housing cost per each.  Use some creativity with the meals that 
are not part of the conference.  There's a Super Walmart just across 
the street -- so I've been told.  And some other eating places.  You 
don't need to eat every meal in the hotel dining room,
You don't need to sign up for all the extras, either... I've signed 
up for the Arachne lunch, but not for any of the tours or the dinner on 
Wednesday. I've seen a lot of Colorado on my previous visits, feel a 
bit like a fish out of water at most of the big, hearty gatherings, so 
opted to take only the ones which are included in the registration fee 
(one breakfast, one lunch and the banquet). I'll spend Wednesday either 
catching up on my classroom work, or taking an independent trip and 
eating on the cheap.

For a first timer, and especially if you are a new lacemaker, I would 
recommend taking only one class.  It gives you half a day to work on 
your lace and half a day with the teacher.
There, for once, I disagree... One class - yes, maybe, if it's a 24hr 
one on a single subject, especially for Weronika (who's 21, and has 
been going great guns for over a year). But that's what I meant by 
well chosen class. I've had some *most excellent* experiences in 
attending lace events, but I also had some sour ones, early on. The 
sour ones could - almost always - be traced directly to a wrong choice 
of workshop. Workshops is what I go for; the rest is but the icing on 
the cake. So you need to know yourself - your stamina, your ability to 
concentrate, your tolerance for being told (as opposed to figuring 
things out for yourself), as well as have some inkling of the teacher's 
methods before you commit yourself to a class.

Or, if you choose an all-day class, give yourself a break in the 
evenings and do not make lace all night.  Six hours a day is enough 
for the fingers and the brain.
Depends on the workshop and on personality... When it's something you 
have no clue about and you're starting from zero, or if your teacher is 
a stickler for doing things just so - which many, if not most non-US 
teachers are - six hours a day is plenty; there's but so much you can 
absorb all at once without undue stress. Took me a while to learn that 
lesson.

OTOH, when I took a class in 

[lace] Re: IOLI Convention/Carousel vest

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Aug 14, 2004, at 20:25, Jane Viking Swanson wrote:
I forgot to grab the woman with the
Carrickmacross vest with a Carousel and carousel animals -
including giraffes - on it.  I really wanted a closer look!
I bet that was Diane Zierold - a silent Arachenan. I shared the 
facilities in Prague with her and Linda Sheff (another Arachnean), the 
second part of my stay there. That piece... I don't even *make* needle 
lace and I, too, wanted a closer look at it. As in: take it off your 
back right now, and let me look at it in *my* room; you can make 
another one for yourself g Spectacular, as well as unusual.

I hope Diane doesn't wear it to the *Denver* Convention next year; 
Penny (Boston) is, I know, planning on attending that one. And she 
*collects* lace with animals in it... As she's a much stronger 
personality than I am, Diane's not going to be a match for *Penny's* 
greed... g

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[lace] Re: IOLI Convention

[Tamara P. Duvall]

On Jan 26, 2004, at 13:48, Angela Thompson wrote:

for I am coming to teach Romanian Point Lace, beginners and
Intermediate, and also Casalguidi Embroidery.   My daughter Jane is 
coming to
help in the teaching, yes the hours may seem long when you read about 
them,
but when the time comes, become all too short.
Not only that, but I've found that, after a good, *intensive* workshop, 
I remain energised for weeks afterwards.

Even though -- ordinarily -- I'm a late riser and generally lazy, after 
a workshop, I continue to get up at an hour that has my DH's jaw 
hanging open, gobble my breakfast fast, and settle to a pillow for an 
8-10 hour stretch (with short breaks for a smoke, of course, but I do 
that in class also). He usually likes it better when I get off the 
workshop high and fall back to my normal routine; being on a 
workshop schedule also means I don't cook... :)

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