Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
As I am over 3 days behind on my emails this may have been covered - look for paintings by Peter de Hooch, Vermeer and Netscher As to Caspar Netscher's painting there is a fantastic version of it on line at the Wallace Collections website: http://www.wallacecollection.org/c/w_a/p_w_d/d_f/p/p237.htm Regards Liz Beecher I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A now - see what it's all about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
Of course, there is the large number of paintings on Lori Howe's lace fairy site of lacemakers, some of whom are 17th century. This site is www.lacefairy.com, click on lacemaking, go to the column on the right hand side, down at the bottom under graphics and right under that click on Lacemakers in Art. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
The heroine starts out as a down-trodden young woman who turns to a benevolent man who owns a lace shop. She has refined skills as a needle lacemaker and he hires her. From this beginning, she eventually marries extremely well, buys the lace shop, and invents bobbin lace. Seems a very unlikely scenario in those days... That's one of this astonishing things from the Northern Netherlands of that days, that women there had a strong possition. It was the only country in Europe at that time were women were allowed to held the husbands shop after his dead. And other things like this. So this scenario at that time at that place could have been possible. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
Hi Jay, I am so glad you noticed this problem -- I couldn't figure out the problem, myself. I went back to the orignial message, which had no breaks when sent out, but when I got it back, ,the breaks had been inserted. How infuriating. Carolyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Ekers Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland The URL is on more than one line. If you copy the separate lines into a text file; delete the carriage returns so that the URL is on one line; copy the one line; and put it in the address line of the web page, you will be immediately shown the enlarged picture of the painting. I know, I had your problem until I realised there was 'more to it than meets the eye' :) Jay, Sydney Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Lacemaker, 1665-60 Nicolaes Maes (Dutch, 1634-1693) The Friedsam Collection, Bequest of Michael Friedsam, 1931 (32.100.5) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp? dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =1item=32%2E100%2E5 The Lacemaker Bernhard Keil (Danish, 1624-1687) Bequest of Edward Fowles, 1971 (1971.115.2) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp? dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =4item=1971%2E115%2E2 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland computer links
Tamara and other dear web spinners, When I clicked on the link, the Madonna Child came up, but then I happened to notice that the end of the computer links were different, but the beginnings were the same... so the hyperlink (the part you click on) got you to the Modonna Child, but to see the lace paintings you either need to do some careful cutting and pasting, or copying the rest of the link. For me, the cut in the hyperlink happened after mark I needed to add the =1item=32%2E100%2E5 to see the first painting. Beth McCasland Metairie, Louisiana, USA where it's warm, humid, and might rain. [Original Message] From: Tamara P. Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2/28/04 8:53:22 PM Subject: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland On Feb 28, 2004, at 20:43, Carolyn Hastings wrote: I don't know if I'm off base here, but a friend and I spotted these paintings this summer, while we were visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art: The Lacemaker, 1665-60 Nicolaes Maes (Dutch, 1634-1693) The Friedsam Collection, Bequest of Michael Friedsam, 1931 (32.100.5) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =1item=32%2E100%2E5 The Lacemaker Bernhard Keil (Danish, 1624-1687) Bequest of Edward Fowles, 1971 (1971.115.2) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =4item=1971%2E115%2E2 Um... could you be more specific? I know the Maes painting, so decided to go and see the Keil one. But, when I clicked on the URL above, what I got was Berlinghiero's Madonna and Child (13th c), this being the first of 2290 paintings in the dept of Eropean Paintings.. And, when I clicked on the Maes URL (just for the heck of it), I got the same woeful lady, and the same sad message, even though the two URLs are not identical... Since I can't do a search to save my life (keyed in all the details into search and got no object found)... Could you tell me this: if I go for view 50 at a time option, which 50 will the Keil be in? - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
I haven't read it, but I think the novel by Jean Montupet called the Lacemaker is one of the few to actually deal with the lives of lacemakers. However, I believe they are French Needlelacers of the 18th century. Since the person asked for a depiction does she mean a book or a picture? At the Met last summer they had an engraving of a 17 century lacemaker by an artist whose name I always get wrong. It is something like Golthius, or Goltzius. Tamara wrote it down! The engraving was on loan from the Rijksmuseum. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
I have read Montupet's book, and it was quite fanciful. How accurate it is is hard to say. The heroine starts out as a down-trodden young woman who turns to a benevolent man who owns a lace shop. She has refined skills as a needle lacemaker and he hires her. From this beginning, she eventually marries extremely well, buys the lace shop, and invents bobbin lace. Seems a very unlikely scenario in those days... but it did make a good story. I suppose the conditions described could be accurate, in spite of what I considered a major flaw in the book (the scenario). Clay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland I haven't read it, but I think the novel by Jean Montupet called the Lacemaker is one of the few to actually deal with the lives of lacemakers. However, I believe they are French Needlelacers of the 18th century. Since the person asked for a depiction does she mean a book or a picture? At the Met last summer they had an engraving of a 17 century lacemaker by an artist whose name I always get wrong. It is something like Golthius, or Goltzius. Tamara wrote it down! The engraving was on loan from the Rijksmuseum. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
Hello Lacefriends, The art-world didn't know much of the private life of Vermeer that's why I didn't like this book. In this book he is shown as a fanatic which didn't care of other peoples feeling. And there is not much in about life in the Netherlands of 17.cent. If there is somebody who is searching for this I would say look in your library if there is an english version of the exhibition bookVon (From) Frans Hals (till) bis Vermeer. It was the book from the Gemäldegalerie Berlin for the exhibition they had in 1984. In this book you find a lot about life in 17.cent in the Netherlands especially about women, because they had a strong position at that time. One paragraph is about Textile workers. If it is not to find let me know and I will try to tell a summary in english but not immediately because I am very busy at the moment with other things. If I should do so privately or over the list it's up to the group. Greetings from sunny but still cold Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote: Since the person asked for a depiction does she mean a book or a picture? I have wondered about that myself... I think sightings of lacemaking in literature (mostly fiction, and mostly along the same lines of misunderstanding that the worst of your press-persons showed at the Hasbrouck Heights convention g) are somewhere on Lori-the-Lacefairy' webpage. As are many visual sightings which had been reported here over the years. At the Met last summer they had an engraving of a 17 century lacemaker by an artist whose name I always get wrong. It is something like Golthius, or Goltzius. Tamara wrote it down! The engraving was on loan from the Rijksmuseum. The *exhibition* was of (Hendrik?) Goltzius (now you have me wondering about the spelling of the name g) and most of the work was his, but the engraving in question was by a student of his, Jan Saenredam, one of the series called 4 seasons; there was nothing on the caption to say which of the seasons was depicted, but I'm guessing summer. I'm not sure how accurate it is for the 17th century, either. The dates given for Saenredam were: ca 1565-1607, and I don't remember any date given for the picture itself; it could have been done before 1600 (and, in any case, he didn't see *much* of the 17th c -- less than a decade...) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
I don't know if I'm off base here, but a friend and I spotted these paintings this summer, while we were visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art: The Lacemaker, 1665-60 Nicolaes Maes (Dutch, 1634-1693) The Friedsam Collection, Bequest of Michael Friedsam, 1931 (32.100.5) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =1item=32%2E100%2E5 The Lacemaker Bernhard Keil (Danish, 1624-1687) Bequest of Edward Fowles, 1971 (1971.115.2) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =4item=1971%2E115%2E2 Hope I'm not being redundant, as I've not read every response -- most of those I have read seem to relate to fictional accounts, this may give a different perspective (but maybe Devon has already given out this information!). Anyway, I love these paintings!! Best Regards, Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA : -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tamara P. Duvall Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:21 PM To: lace Arachne Subject: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote: Since the person asked for a depiction does she mean a book or a picture? I have wondered about that myself... I think sightings of lacemaking in literature (mostly fiction, and mostly along the same lines of misunderstanding that the worst of your press-persons showed at the Hasbrouck Heights convention g) are somewhere on Lori-the-Lacefairy' webpage. As are many visual sightings which had been reported here over the years. At the Met last summer they had an engraving of a 17 century lacemaker by an artist whose name I always get wrong. It is something like Golthius, or Goltzius. Tamara wrote it down! The engraving was on loan from the Rijksmuseum. The *exhibition* was of (Hendrik?) Goltzius (now you have me wondering about the spelling of the name g) and most of the work was his, but the engraving in question was by a student of his, Jan Saenredam, one of the series called 4 seasons; there was nothing on the caption to say which of the seasons was depicted, but I'm guessing summer. I'm not sure how accurate it is for the 17th century, either. The dates given for Saenredam were: ca 1565-1607, and I don't remember any date given for the picture itself; it could have been done before 1600 (and, in any case, he didn't see *much* of the 17th c -- less than a decade...) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
I don't know if I'm off base here, but a friend and I spotted these paintings this summer, while we were visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art: The Lacemaker, 1665-60 Nicolaes Maes (Dutch, 1634-1693) The Friedsam Collection, Bequest of Michael Friedsam, 1931 (32.100.5) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =1item=32%2E100%2E5 The Lacemaker Bernhard Keil (Danish, 1624-1687) Bequest of Edward Fowles, 1971 (1971.115.2) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp?dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =4item=1971%2E115%2E2 Hope I'm not being redundant, as I've not read every response -- most of those I have read seem to relate to fictional accounts, this may give a different perspective (but maybe Devon has already given out this information!). Anyway, I love these paintings!! Best Regards, Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA : -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tamara P. Duvall Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 7:21 PM To: lace Arachne Subject: [lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Devon) wrote: Since the person asked for a depiction does she mean a book or a picture? I have wondered about that myself... I think sightings of lacemaking in literature (mostly fiction, and mostly along the same lines of misunderstanding that the worst of your press-persons showed at the Hasbrouck Heights convention g) are somewhere on Lori-the-Lacefairy' webpage. As are many visual sightings which had been reported here over the years. At the Met last summer they had an engraving of a 17 century lacemaker by an artist whose name I always get wrong. It is something like Golthius, or Goltzius. Tamara wrote it down! The engraving was on loan from the Rijksmuseum. The *exhibition* was of (Hendrik?) Goltzius (now you have me wondering about the spelling of the name g) and most of the work was his, but the engraving in question was by a student of his, Jan Saenredam, one of the series called 4 seasons; there was nothing on the caption to say which of the seasons was depicted, but I'm guessing summer. I'm not sure how accurate it is for the 17th century, either. The dates given for Saenredam were: ca 1565-1607, and I don't remember any date given for the picture itself; it could have been done before 1600 (and, in any case, he didn't see *much* of the 17th c -- less than a decade...) - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
On Feb 28, 2004, at 20:43, Carolyn Hastings wrote: I don't know if I'm off base here, but a friend and I spotted these paintings this summer, while we were visiting the Metropolitan Museum of Art: The Lacemaker, 1665-60 Nicolaes Maes (Dutch, 1634-1693) The Friedsam Collection, Bequest of Michael Friedsam, 1931 (32.100.5) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp? dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =1item=32%2E100%2E5 The Lacemaker Bernhard Keil (Danish, 1624-1687) Bequest of Edward Fowles, 1971 (1971.115.2) http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/view1zoom.asp? dep=11zoom=0full=1mark =4item=1971%2E115%2E2 Um... could you be more specific? I know the Maes painting, so decided to go and see the Keil one. But, when I clicked on the URL above, what I got was Berlinghiero's Madonna and Child (13th c), this being the first of 2290 paintings in the dept of Eropean Paintings.. And, when I clicked on the Maes URL (just for the heck of it), I got the same woeful lady, and the same sad message, even though the two URLs are not identical... Since I can't do a search to save my life (keyed in all the details into search and got no object found)... Could you tell me this: if I go for view 50 at a time option, which 50 will the Keil be in? - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland
A lady from Australia emailed us asking for information on: The Depiction of Lace-makers in 17th century Holland As I didn't know of any sources - except maybe the book Girl With A Pearl Earring - I was wondering if any people here might be able to help her. Thank you Nathalie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
