Re: [lace] Re: Thinking person's lace - what about Binche?
Spiders, I've been thinking about the 'thinking' laces and I suppose that what I love about lace making is the fact that I can do it if I want to drift and make lace (simple tape or simple torchon) or I can become engrossed if I want to make lace (such as floral bucks et al). Other half asked, when we had only been together for a few months, why I had so many pillows and bobbins on the go and I simply replied that I ahve a piece of lace available for whatever mood or difficulty that I felt like doing. There were the practical reasons such as a smaller pillow for travelling and demonstrating, but the fun one's such as making on my 24 pillow or doing honiton. For me, honiton is not difficult - it is merely time consuming and requires concentration for the sewings. However, floral bucks is more demanding because of the need to watch and interpretate the pattern. Each piece has a different appeal and quite simply THAT'S WHY I MAKE LACE grin Regards Liz Beecher I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A now - see what it's all about In a message dated 09/09/2003 23:06:28 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: [lace] Re: Thinking person's lace - what about Binche? Date: 09/09/2003 23:06:28 GMT Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet Several of us seem agreed that many bobbin laces, certainly floral Beds, and some of us (at least me) floral Bucks, are for thinking persons, what about Binche? snipped [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Thinking person's lace - what about Binche?
In a message dated 10/09/2003 02:43:59 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it is my (considered g) opinion that *all* continuous laces are made in the same manner: you work a segment (be it 6 prs or 20), you come to a point when you can't work it any further, you push those pairs out of the way, and work on the next segment till parts of them meet. And form a new segment. yes, yes, yes - thank you - you know when you are demonstrating and someone says 'how do you know what to do' this is how I explain it - you work a bit, run out of bobbins so you work the bit you need to give you the bobbins. Thank you - I thought I was going mad as the only person to say that Regards Liz Beecher I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A now - see what it's all about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: Thinking person's lace - what about Binche?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you know when you are demonstrating and someone says 'how do you know what to do' this is how I explain it - you work a bit, run out of bobbins so you work the bit you need to give you the bobbins. The way I explain it is that I look for pinholes as far away from me as I can find, then find a pair to go to it from above and to the right, and a pair from above and to the left. They're the ones that have to interact at that pinhole. Of course, for demonstrations I'm working on (non-floral) Bucks or Torchon, something relatively straightforward. Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Thinking person's lace - what about Binche?
Several of us seem agreed that many bobbin laces, certainly floral Beds, and some of us (at least me) floral Bucks, are for thinking persons, what about Binche? It's generally thought the most complex now widely made, and I should have thought at least as much brain power goes into it. It seems different in that now at least the thinking is done in making the diagram [...] I work out which order to do bits in so that the bobbins are moved less [...] Indeed, in the fairly basic floral Beds and Bucks I've worked, I've been impressed by how well the designer/patternmaker has planned the pricking so this can be done. It's not that difficult to cope with nearly 100 pairs if you use no more than 20 of them at any time! Is it the same with Binche? Well, there's Binche and there's Binche. ;-) I have found that in many Binche patterns, you don't have very large or very logical segments. You can't work even the smallest motifs without having at least one pair that trundles all the way across the pattern from the furthest reaches, crosses your little bit of work, goes all the way to the other side and comes all the way back again, making you leave your little segment and move all across the pattern. These pairs, annoying as they are, have a structural significance - they tie your lace together and give it a soundness as a textile that I think would not otherwise exist. So, you can't divide your pattern into logical segments the way you can with simpler laces. Usually even the smallest motifs must be made in stages, interspersed with other stages of making other bits of other motifs. But the rule is the same - in order to avoid brain fever you make *as much as you can* in one spot before you move those 50 pairs to one side so you can go back to the other side for your next bit of a bit of a piece of the puzzle ... even when as much as you can is only a row or two. On a slightly different topic - I have to admit that I prefer the earlier Binche to the more modern patterns. Why? When I make the earlier patterns I feel that the shape of the design is paramount. The lacemaker did whatever was needed to realize the artistic design. Sometimes the threads travel in a rather bizarre manner that modern technicians wouldn't like, but they get the job done. I feel that modern patterns are almost mechanical - the threads travel as perfectly as possible, but some emotion is lost. It is difficult to explain, but here's an example - in the older patterns if there's a series of snowflakes around another element they would be evenly spaced with reference to that other element, even if it means taking them out of the straight lines of the snowflake ground. In the modern patterns, though, the snowflake ground marches across the lace in military fashion, each snowflake exactly spaced with reference to the next, but all of them ignoring the placement of other design elements. It is almost as though the ground and the other design elements were cut out of different pieces of lace and just glued into the puzzle, and the effect jars my aesthetic sense. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
