Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Jeriames]

No practical purpose?
 
For formal occasions, lappets or a lappet cap framed the face.   Think of 
them as a frame.  
 
It appears to me that even in Medieval times people wore  caps.  In part, 
because of the difficulty of caring for their hair,  usually uncut.  
Especially washing it.  Not everyone had  servants.  In portraits, we see them 
at 
their best.  Even photos of  19th C. lacemakers lined up in small villages for 
the camera show an effort to  look as nice as possible for posterity.  
But...
 
Think back just a little.  Special ways of braiding the hair and  tucking 
it under something pretty and clean was a solution.  People  did not have hot 
water delivered by showers until post-World War 2.  They  rarely bathed, by 
our standards.  Hair care was labor-intensive.   Ladies wore hats when they 
went out of the home well into the mid-20th  C.  A turban style could cover 
it all !
 
If you wish to re-establish the wearing of lace lappets, caps and hats  - 
lace designers have written books containing instructions for making  them.  
Sounds like fun.  Best of all, you will be wearing  lace. 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

In a message dated 2/7/2017 5:48:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
j...@zoominternet.net writes:
 
I  can't
figure any practical purpose for them with or without a hat. They  should be
honored for their longevity, if nothing else. What other  non-jewelry 
ornament
has remained stylish for so long? Were separate lace  collars and cuffs 
around
as long as lappets?

Jean  Reardon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[J Reardon]

>
> The lappet of tomorrow... What a great idea.

I'm very fond of lappets and find interesting the transition of their usage
throughout the centuries that they were popular. As time went on, they weren't
necessarily attached to caps, but just pinned to the hair on each side of the
head. If they hadn't gone extinct, maybe it wouldn't seem so weird. I can't
figure any practical purpose for them with or without a hat. They should be
honored for their longevity, if nothing else. What other non-jewelry ornament
has remained stylish for so long? Were separate lace collars and cuffs around
as long as lappets?

Jean Reardon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[lacel...@frontier.com]

In the modern world, the lappet becomes half a scarf.  Attach the two lappets
of a pair together in the middle, and wear it under the collar of your dress
coat/jacket with the ends hanging down the front.  I've done that many times
with the one I made.  Or it could be just wrapped around the neck and loosely
tied in front.  Or wrap around the neck with one end hanging in front and the
other end hanging in back.
I'm also known, at lace conferences, to wear antique lappets hanging from the
top of my head and usually down my back so they are out of the way for
working.The last time I did that at IOLI, by the end of the week, several
other brave soles were wearing lappets, also.
Some of the old patterns are really lovely, and we can figure out ways to
adapt them to modern use.
The lily pattern is very attractive, and would be interesting to make. 
However, I would not recognize it as a lappet.  Best wishes to anyone who
wants to make it.  The picture looks clear enough to use as a pattern.
Alice in Oregon -- where the last snow was just thick rain and didn't stick. 
It was just a degree or two too warm.  However, we set a rainfall record
during that storm. If it had been snow, it would have been a real mess.


On Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:15 AM, Adele Shaak 
wrote:


 Oh, Devon - what a good idea. I think we should all wear lappets.

Picture Venus & Serena Williams playing tennis with lappets streaming from
their hair. Women doctors in the operating room, lappets demurely tucked into
their scrubs. Women directing traffic, lappets peeking from underneath their
safety helmets. Ditto women on the construction site. Probably the men will
want to get in on the fun, too.

OK, I admit it. After far too much sleet and snow the sun has come out and
I’m feeling frisky.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


>  but if you were thinking of going
> about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment. 
😊
> Devon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Adele Shaak]

Oh, Devon - what a good idea. I think we should all wear lappets.

Picture Venus & Serena Williams playing tennis with lappets streaming from 
their hair. Women doctors in the operating room, lappets demurely tucked into 
their scrubs. Women directing traffic, lappets peeking from underneath their 
safety helmets. Ditto women on the construction site. Probably the men will 
want to get in on the fun, too. 

OK, I admit it. After far too much sleet and snow the sun has come out and I’m 
feeling frisky.

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


>  but if you were thinking of going
> about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment.  
> Devon

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RE: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[devonthein]

Dear Sue,
Far be it for me to question any challenging lace project. But, I am a little
curious about why you need a lappet. Also, it seems to me that as lappets go,
this one does not really fit the bill because it is not long and, shall I say,
lappet shaped.
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but if you were thinking of going
about in impressive cap streamers, this will probably be a disappointment. You
may have to use it as a purse ornament or something. 😊
Devon

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Sue Babbs]

Yes, I was thinking of it more as a purse front or wall-hanging or some such
thing – not being likely to wear a lappet!The flowers are so prettily
designed – we’ll all just have to wait and see what it develops into.

I was assuming that Devonia planned that 2 would be made and attached to the
ends of a scarf to make the lappet.


Sue

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Sue Babbs]

Thank you all for your helpful comments.  Now I'm home and at a printer, 
I've been able to print it the photo off, and it comes out quite clearly. 
I've added it to my collection of lace to make at some point .  Grin!



Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com


I spotted a lovely piece of lace on page 4 of the Honiton Lace book on 
“the professor’s site” 
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/archive_032.pdf




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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Adele Shaak]

Ah! Yes, it is on p. 39 in my book. Maybe this is an example of the difference 
between British and North American usage; I would certainly not call this a 
vest, but perhaps a Brit would. I think I would tend to call this a plastron, 
or possibly a "collar-and-dress-front-all-together-thingy" ;-)

The method of joining the motives together looks much better than in the bolero 
vest I mentioned before.

Adele

> 
> My copy of Louisa Tebbs book is a modern reprint but it doesn't say who 
> published it. Odd. I'd not noticed it until just now. The piece I like so 
> well is on page 39, in addition to the cover, called a Vest in Guipure de 
> Flandre. It could more accurately be called a stomacher. I think it could be 
> a useful addition to a wardrobe to wear under a jacket, over an undershirt of 
> some sort, of course. The picture of it is not a good quality. I think it may 
> have the same unsupported braids as the bolero. At least the lily lappet 
> photo is good enough you might be able to make a pricking from it. 
> 
> Looking at this book makes me appreciate all the wonderful graphic 
> instructions we have in our books now. So much easier to follow.
> 
> Jean Reardon,
> Pennsylvania

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RE: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[J R]

My copy of Louisa Tebbs book is a modern reprint but it doesn't say who 
published it. Odd. I'd not noticed it until just now. The piece I like so well 
is on page 39, in addition to the cover, called a Vest in Guipure de Flandre. 
It could more accurately be called a stomacher. I think it could be a useful 
addition to a wardrobe to wear under a jacket, over an undershirt of some sort, 
of course. The picture of it is not a good quality. I think it may have the 
same unsupported braids as the bolero. At least the lily lappet photo is good 
enough you might be able to make a pricking from it. 

Looking at this book makes me appreciate all the wonderful graphic instructions 
we have in our books now. So much easier to follow.

Jean Reardon,
Pennsylvania

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RE: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[J R]

..."The other books I had were this one (Honiton Lace by Devonia), Margaret 
Maidment’s book, and Louisa Tebbs’ “Art of Bobbin Lace”, all of which were very 
old and quite unhelpful. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC"

Speaking of Louisa Tebbs, I sure wish I had a pricking or full sized pattern 
for the "vest" that is on the cover. I don't know if I have the skills to make 
it, but I sure think it's gorgeous. 
Jean Reardon
Pennsylvania, where we are having a rare sunny day

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[jviking]

Hi, In the back it shows how to order a pricking.  Unfortunately the book
looks circa 1900 to me so no chance in getting one now!

Making your own from the illustration is all I can suggest.  I do it with
Battenberg lace patterns but I think the lovely lily lappet would be a
little more complicated than patterns I have tried. However if you want a
challenge the lappet looks like one!

Jane in Vermont, USA having another warmish day (anything over freezing)
jvik...@sover.net

> I spotted a lovely piece of lace on page 4 of the Honiton Lace book on
> “the
> professor’s site”
> https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/archive_032.pdf
>
> Does anyone know if there is a pattern or pricking available for this
> piece
> anywhere?
>
> Sue
>

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Re: [lace] lily lappet - pattern?

[Adele Shaak]

Hi Sue:

Judging from the lack of anybody chiming in, I don’t think there is, Sue. The 
book wasn’t originally published with patterns, so if you did find one it would 
be a pattern that a lacemaker made from the line drawing in the book - and you 
already have the drawing. Anyone who thoroughly understood Honiton could 
probably replicate this lace from the photograph - just draw lines where the 
pins would go, adjust the size to your thread, and make it from that. 

Sorry, I know I haven’t been very helpful, but most of the early books were 
this way. I was lucky to start making lace right around the time Doris 
Southard’s “Bobbin Lacemaking” was published; it was the only useful book in my 
library. The other books I had were this one (Honiton Lace by Devonia), 
Margaret Maidment’s book, and Louisa Tebbs’ “Art of Bobbin Lace”, all of which 
were very old and quite unhelpful. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC

> I spotted a lovely piece of lace on page 4 of the Honiton Lace book on “the
> professor’s site”
> https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/archive_032.pdf
> 
> Does anyone know if there is a pattern or pricking available for this piece
> anywhere?
> 
> Sue
> 

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