Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Ilske Thomsen 
Devon, 
after my knowledge what you describe is named Point de Venice à relief.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Carolina de la Guardia 
Devon, I understand that Point of Venice would be a an appropriate term, as
a generic term.


Yesterday I was reading from the ipad so I could not access easily to the
information. Now from my desktop here there are other links:

Gros Point of Venice 17th. cent
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=2

Point Plat of Venice  20th. cent.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_scheda.php?idc=175

Point of Venice
http://www.museodelmerletto.it/001-Merletti-Italiani/001-Venezia-e-Burano/007-punto_venezia.html

This is a Point of Venice slightly raised, dated about 17th. cent.
http://chambredescouleurs.france-i.com/8542

Regards from Barcelona.


Carolina de la Guardia
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2017-03-02 14:17 GMT+01:00 :

>  But as this piece is dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de
> Venise be appropriate? Is Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a
> date as well?
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> A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual
> lace, would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
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RE: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread devonthein 
Carolina and Jean are suggesting that Point Plat is the correct term. Gon says
that she would call it Point de Venise a relief, “because there is a small
relief around the motives. In the Point de Venise Plat there is no relief at
all.”
Gon echoes a feeling that I have about it. I think of Point Plat as a rather
rare lace. The lack of a finished edge around the motifs is very noticeable.
In fact, it may be rather hard to achieve. But in this piece There is a
buttonholed relief around the edges of the motifs. The relief around the
motifs seems more like what you would see in what I would call Point de Venise
such as was being made in the late 19th early 20th century for table linens.
As such this structure is a very common one, not rare. But as this piece is
dated to the 17th century, would the term Point de Venise be appropriate? Is
Point de Venise a generic term or does it imply a date as well?
A concern that I have is that people looking for Point Plat, an unusual lace,
would be disappointed to be directed to this lace.
Devon

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Gon Homburg 
Hello Devon,

I think you get all kind of possibilities. I would call it Point de Venise à 
relief, because there is a small relief around the motives. In the Point de 
Venise plat there is no relief at all. Of course the reliefs in the Point de 
Venise a gros relief the reliefs around the motive are really thick.


Gon Homburg in a windy and rainy Amsterdam, The Netherlands



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>> If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
>> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.
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> I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
> https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html
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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-02 Thread Jean Leader 
On 1 Mar 2017, at 21:46, devonth...@gmail.com wrote:

>  If this is not Gros Point, what would you call it, or
> what would you be searching if you were looking for it.

Devon,

I would call it Point Plat - see at the bottom of the page on my website at 
https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/venice.html

Jean in sunny Glasgow

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Re: [lace] What constitutes Gros Point?

2017-03-01 Thread cadega2 
I understand that it is which in Italian is called "punto piatto de Venice",
it could be translated as Flat Point of Venice.
Museo Arnold Caprai, has some illustrating examples and could be seen the
differences between Gros Point and Flat Point.
http://www.museocaprai.it/collezione_ricerca.php?epoca==1=1
7=6

Greetings from Barcelona

Carolina de la Guardia


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