Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-13 Thread Judy
 Now Adelaide...that's another matter   A planned city, with nice
straight
 roads planned on a grid - impossible to get lost there!!


The town where I went to university is also on a grid system and I thought
it was the easiest place in the world to navigate,  until I dated a young
man who said he was always lost.I began to question his directional
abilities at that point because not only were the streets on a grid, the
east-west streets were numerical, and the north-south streets were
alphabetical!

And because the city was in the midst of a large agricultural area, the
major streets were generally a mile apart, based on the old section lines.
(A 'section' is one square mile or 640 acres.)  Even in the huge city where
I now live, the major streets in my suburbs are mostly one mile apart, again
because of the old section lines.  Where my house now sits was a rice field
less than 25 years ago.

Judy, waiting for the cold front in Houston
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[lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-12 Thread W N Lafferty
Joy Beeson writes
 Having grown up on graph paper, I'm rather surprised that I didn't have any
 trouble navigating 

You should try Canberra, which is built on circular roads.I was visiting a
doctor there recently, and wanted to visit a friend about a mile away to the
north of the surgery.   But as that involved a maze of roads, I opted for the
simpler route of turning south, and linking up with a major road that would
curve around to the east then back west and end up very close to where I
wanted to go.  According to the street directory, that is.

I never did find the major road, but some 10 minutes later I found myself 
at the intersection of the street where I wanted to get to, without ever having
been on the major loop road!  Since then, we've nicknamed my car the
Tardis!
 
I don't know how many times I've headed out there for somewhere new, and
found myself either suddenly in the heart of the city, or just travelling in
circles.   The place is just like the garden in Alice in Wonderland.  The only
way to get anywhere is to head off in the opposite direction!

Noelene in Cooma
About to tackle Canberra again today - good thing I actually know where 
I've got to get to.  A craft shop I only recently found my way to, way on the far
side of Canberra to Cooma, but which is about to close down!  Another craft
shop lost to us.
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[lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-11 Thread Jean Nathan
There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has on
the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that
programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across the
sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the
northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.

How do people  who have 'east/west' problems cope in US cities where streets
have names like East 54th Street?

Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-11 Thread Ruth Budge
I just replied privately to Jean saying that it is exactly this phenomena which
makes it hard for my DH to navigate in Britain.   I knew he complains that the
sun isn't in the right place as far as he's concerned, but had forgotten
exactly what the details of the displacement are!  Now I know that too!
(VBG)

Ruth Budge

 --- Linda Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Dear Jean, and
Lacemakers,
 
 
  There was a programme on TV the other night about the effect the moon has
 on
  the earth. It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that
  programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon travel across
 the
  sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it does in the
  northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.
  (snip)
 
  Jean in Poole
 
 
 No! No!  The television people have got things confused again.
 
 I asked my husband, who instructs in astronomy and gliding in his spare
 time, and he sent this message:-
 
 The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in the Southern
 hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South that seem to
 confuse people.
 
 I remember when I was with the WRC we had a young Australian guy working
 for
 us (some sort of holiday job IIRC) and he turned up hours late to a site in
 the
 Midlands. It emerged that he had got totally lost because the Sun
 was in the South, not the North.
 
 I've asked gliding people and they claim not to be bothered as the Sun is
 virtually overhead in SA and Oz, and they use GPS in any case.
 
 
 Think about it:  the Earth goes round as a whole sphere.  There would only
 be the effect of seeing the Sun going in opposite directions if the Earth
 were divided at the Equator and the Northern Hemisphere were going in the
 opposite direction to the Southern Hemisphere.
 
 However, if the Sun were, say, over the Equator, it would look as if it were
 in the North if you were below the Equator, and as if it were in the South
 if you were above the Equator.
 
 If you can remember the details of that television programme, I think you
 should send them a crisp feedback message!
 
 Best wishes,
 Linda Walton,
 (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
 where I can't see the Sun at all due to heavy fog,
 which makes me feel so disinclined to start the things I ought to be doing).
 
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Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-11 Thread Clay Blackwell
 It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that
programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon
travel across the
sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it
does in the
northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.  

REALLY?!  It has never occurred to me either, and my poor
befuddled brain just can't
get around it.  Could one of our scientific minds please
break this down for me!!

Clay



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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:31 AM
Subject: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south


 There was a programme on TV the other night about the
effect the moon has on
 the earth. It had never occured to me until it was
mentioned in that
 programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon
travel across the
 sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it
does in the
 northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.

 How do people  who have 'east/west' problems cope in US
cities where streets
 have names like East 54th Street?

 Jean in Poole

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Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-11 Thread Clay Blackwell
Whew!  Thanks, Linda! My immediate reaction was that our
earth is a big marble, and  we all spin on the same axis...
so how did the sun do that trick of coming up in the west
down under?

Breathing at a regular rate again...

Clay

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From: Linda Walton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lace Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south


 Dear Jean, and Lacemakers,


  There was a programme on TV the other night about the
effect the moon has
 on
  the earth. It had never occured to me until it was
mentioned in that
  programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and
moon travel across
 the
  sky from right to left instead of from left to right as
it does in the
  northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.
  (snip)
 
  Jean in Poole
 

 No! No!  The television people have got things confused
again.

 I asked my husband, who instructs in astronomy and gliding
in his spare
 time, and he sent this message:-

 The Sun still rises in the East and sets in the West in
the Southern
 hemisphere, it is that it is in the North, not the South
that seem to
 confuse people.

 I remember when I was with the WRC we had a young
Australian guy working
 for
 us (some sort of holiday job IIRC) and he turned up hours
late to a site in
 the
 Midlands. It emerged that he had got totally lost because
the Sun
 was in the South, not the North.

 I've asked gliding people and they claim not to be
bothered as the Sun is
 virtually overhead in SA and Oz, and they use GPS in any
case.


 Think about it:  the Earth goes round as a whole sphere.
There would only
 be the effect of seeing the Sun going in opposite
directions if the Earth
 were divided at the Equator and the Northern Hemisphere
were going in the
 opposite direction to the Southern Hemisphere.

 However, if the Sun were, say, over the Equator, it would
look as if it were
 in the North if you were below the Equator, and as if it
were in the South
 if you were above the Equator.

 If you can remember the details of that television
programme, I think you
 should send them a crisp feedback message!

 Best wishes,
 Linda Walton,
 (in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
 where I can't see the Sun at all due to heavy fog,
 which makes me feel so disinclined to start the things I
ought to be doing).

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Fw: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south

2003-11-11 Thread cearbhael
Sorry Clay, I iintended to send this to the whole list. (never get that
reply/reply all button stuff figured out)

Cearbhael
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Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south


 First off, it is doesn't need a scientist to break it down. The sun comes
up
 in the east and goes down in the West. The only time there is a left or
 right depends on what direction YOUR standing. Actually if I face east in
 the morning (and wouldn't matter what hemisphere you are in) it will come
up
 straight in front of you and travel up and over behind you. If your facing
 west, you won't see it come up and won't see it until it is noon when you
 can look straight up at it. Then you can watch it move away from you and
 down. If your facing North. (any hemisphere) the sun will go from right to
 left. If you facing south then it will move from left to right.
So...unless
 your exactly positive what direction your facing, it is easier to remember
 that in the morning it is in the east. Around noon it is pretty much
 overhead, and in the afternoon it is in the western sky. So it makes more
 sense to be aware of what time of day it is and then look where the sun is
 and figure out what direction your going. You can also look at your
shadow.
 They always point away from the sun.

 So where the sun is concerned, left and right is a very relative term and
 not very reliable.

 Cearbhael
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 From: Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Chat
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south


   It had never occured to me until it was mentioned in that
  programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon
  travel across the
  sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it
  does in the
  northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.  
 
  REALLY?!  It has never occurred to me either, and my poor
  befuddled brain just can't
  get around it.  Could one of our scientific minds please
  break this down for me!!
 
  Clay
 
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:31 AM
  Subject: [lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
 
 
   There was a programme on TV the other night about the
  effect the moon has on
   the earth. It had never occured to me until it was
  mentioned in that
   programme that in the southern hemisphere the sun and moon
  travel across the
   sky from right to left instead of from left to right as it
  does in the
   northern hemisphere. I'd find that very disorientating.
  
   How do people  who have 'east/west' problems cope in US
  cities where streets
   have names like East 54th Street?
  
   Jean in Poole
  
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