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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Well that is more like it. LOL Only half that size? Well if I am ever lucky enough to be able to go visit Kathy, I think that I will most definately rent a hotel room and invite her to come visit me. Half that size, hugh..BG Sue Hi Sue The snake with the three people cuddling (?) it is not one of Kathy's. It is a full-grown one. Kathy's is *only* about 1/2 that size. Big enough for me to grant her lots of room though, even if she is a sweetie. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I do. Because they bite. :) Sue Hi Bill And the moral of the tale was that the young should not be out parking and engaging in exploration. I know that snakes are interesting because they lack appendages, etc so it is fascinating to see how they survive. Guess it is a 'girl' thing about snakes (oh jackie, how sexist of you VVBG). I really don't know why people tend to shy away from snakes. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: Thanks. I wonder if they will give her a second chance like they did the one in Washington? Sue Hi all Heard an update on the female teacher. She is still in jail. She is alleged to have had a 4 month relationships with the young man. She is also alleged to have had sexual relationships with two other young men--16 and 18, I believe. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: 2 is used only in certain studies, and I can't off hand tell you what they are. :( Sue Hi Sue I wasn't aware that they sometimes used 2 years and under. I knew about the 1 year cutoff and the 28 day cutoff for neonatal deaths, but this is new to me. Will have to make sure I check the data really carefully when comparing to make sure of the cutoffs are the same. Thanks for pointing out another problem with statistics. Oh those darn statistics. : ) jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L: I can't even begin to figure these things out. LOL I leave that up to people like you, Doc, and Bill. But this time I will see if I can. the answers always appear at the end of the next days one. Sue Sue posted the (riddle) about the truthtellers, the liars, and the in-be-tweeners. Ok, I thought and thought ... can we have a clue? :) LDMF. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Now that is what I would call a "control freak." Wonder how they would handle free association with Freud? G jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, There is also a type of dreaming (it has a name but I can't remember it now) where the person dreaming can actually control the dream and what happens. It's kind of like an internal virtual reality system. G Some people can actually go to sleep and plan a dream, then when they start dreaming will control the plot as if they are directing a movie. I feel I'm lucky if I can just avoid the bad dreams, or not remember them. Bill On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:30:56 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I have heard--gossip I guess--that most people don't dream in color. Also have heard that only a few dream textually (?)--feel the texture of things they are dreaming about. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:33:59 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-10 11:46:44 EST, you write: Yeah, if it happened more than once I'd be sure to at least mention it to the doctor. It's funny that I even remember the dream. Usually I don't. Bill The only time I remember a dream is on the rare occasion that I wake in the midst of one. Perhaps that's what happened -- something woke you before the dream was done. Doc Hi Doc, That's exactly what happened. I couldn't breathe! :) BTW, do you know if you dream in color? T hat's another thing I never remember, even when I can remember the dream. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I am getting a little apprehensive about some of the recent rulings of courts. It seems with our reactive type laws and policies, we forget the middle ground and swing from one side of the pendulum to the other. And, of course, there are some that will have the money again to fight any of these rulings so it just seems to increase the inequality in how justice is distributed. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Good points and I don't know the answer. :) I think that there are very strict rules about when this type of evidence can be accepted by the judge. But there has to be some situations where it should be accepted, IMO. For example, what if this kind of evidence is the only evidence showing that someone is an unfit parent and should not have custody of their children. Should it be ignored? I don't think so. But it IS a touchy issue and the big problem, IMO, is when prosecutors and/or judges might abuse the rules and accept these items of evidence when it is more prejudicial than probative. Bill On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:28:10 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill and Dr. L Here I go again--off the wall questions about things. It just occurred to me that if evidence such as diaries, computer files, etc. are admissible as evidence than is that going to affect one of the counseling tools that are often used to assist clients in coming to terms with their anger, past abuse issues, etc. Journaling, writing poetry or stories is a very effective and popular therapy tool. However, if courts are going to allow this type of material to enter as evidence--then what?? Just a thought. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hello Doctor, I know exactly what you mean. It's like reading a book and not wanting to look ahead to how the plot is resolved. You could always find the answer on the net somewhere, I'm sure, but it's probably more fun waiting to see how they covered it. I'm assuming this is on Court TV? Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:51:57 -0800 "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill - turns out that it is a January 1997 trial. Don't you love it when they raise a question, and if you have the time you can (that is, one can, since you yourself are probably not hooked) wait around three days to hear the matter come up again. I may never know if in California v. Bray and Ayers or Akers the computer files, like diaries, did come in or not (as 'state of mind' exception to hearsay, for example). The consolation is that whatever way the judge rules (here regarding possible plans to commit murder), it is interesting to hear the sides argued. Thx for the post! :-) LDMF. -William J. Foristal wrote:-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hello Doctor, I would think it would be identical to a tape recorded statement. Even if someone makes the tape and never plays if for anyone I would think it could be offered as evidence if it met the other criteria. Let us know what the judge rules. Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:31:08 -0800 "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is anyone watching the Court-tiv 'Murdered Mom' (Ayers trial) where they are arguing to a judge that what is input to a computer is not a statement unless and until published to someone? The judge is saying that a statement is justan oral or written expression sop computer files are admissible. Lawyer is arguing that its just a thought process, when someone types into a computer, unless and until it is published. Overall context is whether its a statement and under the evidence code can be admitted. Judge hasn't ruled yet (defense is saying its hearsay, if it is a statement at all). :) LDMF PS: commentator says its like a diary, not intended to be read but can be used against someone. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I was waiting for someone to catch that little remark--LOL. I thought of Kathy when I wrote it and laughed. I was a real tomboy (big time) and used to get furious when people would say that I shouldn't be doing those things or saying something because it was a "boy" thing. Can I use the "Lewis and Clark" quote--love it!! Much better than going to my place to see my etchings. The worst one in my book was the "Let's play doctor one." Now, no one in their right mind enjoys going to the doctor's so why would I enjoy playing at it?? Glad you like my phrasing--hmm, somehow that sounds "dirty" (hahah). I guess that is how us "girlies" (now that is a term I hated) learned to talk dirty in public back in the covered wagon days when I was a young. (Don't laugh, my students sometimes act like the 50s and 60s were the covered wagon days or ancient history). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, Hey, Kathy is a girl!!! G I thought the moral of that story was to be very careful about where you choose to park and engage in exploration. LOL..I love the way you phrase things sometimes. :) That would have been a great line to use, though. "Hey, you wanna go park and play like Lewis and Clark?" Much better than watching submarine races. BG Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:00:12 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill And the moral of the tale was that the young should not be out parking and engaging in exploration. I know that snakes are interesting because they lack appendages, etc so it is fascinating to see how they survive. Guess it is a 'girl' thing about snakes (oh jackie, how sexist of you VVBG). I really don't know why people tend to shy away from snakes. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:48:39 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Probably an urban myth--sort of like the cat and babies, I would imagine. May have happened that the snake was looking, but then the conclusion was that the snake was looking for dinner. However, I am not going to be the one to test this at all. Like Kaye, I have a healthy respect for snakes--I respect their privacy and I feel healthy about doing so. But, I do know there are people who enjoy them as pets, but as Kathy says--if you are going to have pets, you use common sense in the pet you choose. Urban myths are fun though as they really are "morality stories" in disguise. jackief Hi Jackie, Either morality stories or an attempt to frighten, gross out or shock. Remember the old stories like the one about the couple making out in the car and the one armed serial killer they hear a story about on the radio. He escaped from prison that night. Then they find the hook on the door handle of the car. LOL. I've never had a big problem with snakes, but I don't mess with them. I like to see them in the zoo, however. And I got to touch a python once when a guy brought him into work. You could feel the muscles under the skin and could just imagine how easily a snake of that size could squeeze a person to death. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I had forgotten about the chorinated pesticides. Really makes you wonder, especially after reading quite a while back that the U.S. was spraying cities with some chemical to check how far the wind would carry the stuff. I know Mpls was one of the sites they used. Didn't I hear that the site of the Love Canal still has people living on it or was that vice versa? jackief [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And we still don't know the long term effects of the use of chlorinated pesticides back in the 50's and 60's. Remember Love Canal? There were hundreds of sites like it that never got the publicity that Love Canal did. There are still large residues of PCB's, DDT, Chlordane, Lindane...etc. in our soil, water and fish, wildlife etc. Makes one wonder if the real effects are a few generations in the future. Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:21:59 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc The asbestos thing is probably as great a risk. They just removed the asbestos above the auditorium I was teaching in 4 years ago when I was still teaching in it and there were at least 200 students in each class. We still have asbestos removal going on. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: Or is that something planned by the aliens? G Bill Hi Bill Perhaps, they are leaking the information gradually so we will understand the complexity of the situation bbbg jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:06:27 EST, you write: Never heard of mind mapping. I do know we tend to learn aurally rather than visually or tactually -- or so they say, and I know it's true for me. I remember what I hear, verbatim and with all intonations intact, far longer than I remember what I've seen. What is mind mapping? Is it connected to that N factor that makes our minds more like a grid or a spider web than like the linear minds of the S's? Doc Hi Doc I have never heard of mind mapping? Think I will go surfing. I would imagine that the N factor would be the case as I think that is the abstract thinking vrs concrete thinking, isn't it. Had to go to my ole' alma mater yesterday and talked to one of my mentors--he is now dean of graduate studies and we started talking about this stuff. He is an NF too so you know how abstract we were getting. Poor Ed, he is an SF. The learning stuff I pulled from the net really picked up on the aural learning aspect of the NF personality. I should go back in and get the other three temperaments so I can compare them easily. The majority of my students last year in Psych were ESTJ's and were majoring in nursing or criminal justice. They tended to rank individual experience and visual aids as the most effective in learning new material. They really thought 'participant observation' assignments helped them most in learning. Hmm, I wonder. I wonder if this has a bearing on the problems in education to some degree. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc You were one of the "worthy" poor it seems. Funny how even in the helping professions, titles and looks account for so much. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:17:02 EST, you write: But the students learned what it was like to try to access the "helping?" organizations, to wonder where they would sleep or eat that night, and feel the contempt that others directed toward them. One thng I learned from experience during my "food stamps and Medicaid" days -- those helping organizations are much more willing to help you if you look and sound like you don't need it. Because I was well educated and had the remnants of a decent wardrobe, I was usually treated with reasonable respect. Those in line with me, often illiterate and not well laundered, were not. More than once I got scolded for helping some poor old man or woman fill out a form that was impossible for aged eyes to read or that was written in abstruse language that make the IRS look like clear speakers. As soon as I looked the scolding social worker straight in the eye and said something innocuous like "There but for the grace of God go you and I" she would back off, start calling me by my title and last name, and even say things like please and thank you. Image, it seems, is all. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc Thanks for clarifying. Somehow that sounds poetic in a way, much better than disease or even disorder. One of my teachers once said that the early writers in the social sciences wrote more colorfully and poetically and that is why she thought they were more enjoyable to read. She felt they used metaphors and painted pictures for the reader. Of course she studied in England and her dissertation tied Freud and Parson together, so that may account for some of her thoughts on this. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:53:52 EST, you write: Anything ending in "ology" means study of--that one throws me sometimes though--Doc what is pathology--the study of paths??? g You're not all that far off -- "pathos" is Greek for suffering, so Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Hi Bill and Doc It seems mind mapping is a new tool to teach creative thinking. One site with a pretty picture is www.aws.com.sg/mind.html. You start out with a subject--the central image You then map the main themes (main branches) which radiate from the central theme. Next you link minor thems to main themes All the branches are then connected froming a nodal structure. I attached the file--it is html though. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:24:34 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:06:27 EST, you write: BTW--off topic but us ENFPs have quite the learning style--Have you heard of Mind Mapping?? Says we would benefit from it--almost scared to know what it is G. I am having more fun with this stuff--who says research can't be fun!! jackief Never heard of mind mapping. I do know we tend to learn aurally rather than visually or tactually -- or so they say, and I know it's true for me. I remember what I hear, verbatim and with all intonations intact, far longer than I remember what I've seen. What is mind mapping? Is it connected to that N factor that makes our minds more like a grid or a spider web than like the linear minds of the S's? Doc HI Doc, I thought mind mapping was when they labeled each part of the brain that is responsible for a certain function. Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Title: AWS - Mind Mapping What is Mind Mapping? Mind Mapping is a powerful technique that allows you to make the best use of your brain power. Developed by Tony Buzan, the Mind Mapping technique harnesses the full range of your cortical skills, making you more productive and creative. A Mind Map uses words, lines, logic, colours and images to stimulate your brain. It has four important characteristics: (1)The subject is represented by a central image. (2)The main themes of the subject radiate from the central image as main branches. (3)Minor themes are linked to the main themes. (4)All the branches are connected forming a nodal structure. Here is an example of a Mind Map. Click on it to see how it was created. The Mind Mapping technique is like a Swiss-army knife of the brain. It can be used in many applications, from brainstorming to public speaking to studying. Through its radiating structure, a Mind Map lets you roam the infinite expanse of your mind, expanding and exploring ideas while maintaining a clear focus on the subject. Is Mind Mappingapplicable in working life? Mind Maps are used by millions of people around the world. Boeing Aircraft Corporation in Seattle condensed its Aircraft engineering into a 25-foot long Mind Map to enable a team of aeronautical engineers to learn in a few weeks what would have taken a few years. The result: an estimated saving of $10 million. In training, British Petroleum and Digital Equipment use the techniques extensively in their staff training programs. If you are looking for a short-cut to improving your performance at work, try a Mind Map. The Mind Mapping Workshop Unleash the full potential of your brainand gain a competitive edge! WORKSHOP OUTLINE DAY 1 DAY 2 RADIANT THINKING Brain Check Brain Skills Mind Mapping Lighting, Music, Breaks/Reviews Mind Mapping Applications RADIANT REMEMBERING The 12 principles of remembering Memory rhythms Memory systems RADIANT READING Reading Assessment The Eye Techniques to speed up reading Using Mind Maps for retention RADIANT SUCCESS Brain Principles Brain Habits Positive and Negative Thinking Programme for Success Dates:24-25 Jul 97, 21-22 Aug 97, 18-19 Sep 97 Venue:Golden Landmark Hotel390 Victoria StreetSingapore 188061 Fees:$398(Register 5 seats and get 1 FREE!) For registration or information on our workshops(including in-house workshops for companies), please contact Wong Peng WaiTel: 7356632E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mind Mapping™ is a trademark of The Buzan Organisation. HOME | Consulting | Software | Mind Mapping | Creative Thinking Send your feedback and enquiries to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Copyright 1997 AWS. Produced by Cyberville Technologies.
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: In the first trimester. I couldn't believe my eyes this morning. On our front page there is a story about how they have found out that Nitrates are getting into our water supply via diary runoff. Down further on the page is a story on how SIDs is increasing in the county. Now maybe I am pushing the envelope on this, but do you think that someone might just think there could be a relationship in these two stories? There they were together on the front page on todays newspaper. Sue Sue This is great. Saved it in my psych. folder. I would imagine if there is no genetic link that it would likely be a teratogen. Doesn't the brain stem develop early in the pregnancy if I remember right. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't the Arizona/Mexico border because in my looking I have noticed a larger percentage of these births than in any other stats I have seen. I am still trying to find out the name of the town. If I can find that I know that I will be able to find the story somewhere. I do know it is right on the border, American side though. Sue Hi Sue If we don't find something before I hit the chapter on prenatal development, it might make a good research assignment for the students. They would lynch me for sure. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L Oops--forgot to put the line dead sentence in quotes. Was merely a quip about what an Egyptian might think when his/her cat died. Have no idea the connection between eyebrows and cats for Egyptians. Oh dear, another surfing expedition. g. Weird thought: Wonder if this has any bearing on women plucking their eyebrows?? Bill, I promise I won't go on to the next link--women are called---(censored) G. This mind mapping is fun!! jackief Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff wrote: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie - is the line up again? What is the connection between cats demise and eyebrows? Tribute? Sacrifice? Other? Please come back on this. Rites and Rituals and their grounding or centering function, fascinating. :) LDMF. Jackie Fellows wrote:-- Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all Direct from the Pro/Con site. On what occasion did Egyptians shave off their eyebrows?? jackief--scroll down When their cat died. Cats were thought to be a link to heaven. Oops the line just went dead--a time of sadness. -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: That sounds like a wonderful idea. It wouldn't hurt anyone to find out what it is like to walk in anothers shoes for a while. Maybe there would be a little more tolerance and understanding for everyone if we all did this at least once. I have a friend who is now in his 80's who always told me that one should never forget where one came from. I try to remember that and have tried to teach my kids the same thing. It has helped them to be a little more understanding of things and a lot more tolerant of people and things that they can't understand. Sue Hi Doc You know I wish there was still a way for people to live the life for a week--maybe understanding would come more quickly. A prof. in Mankato I know used to be able to take a small class to a big city--give them $5 and turn them loose in the inner city. He taught a class on city problems--including the homeless. He had watchers that seen to it that no one got into impossible situations--this is no longer possible so he no longer does this. But the students learned what it was like to try to access the "helping?" organizations, to wonder where they would sleep or eat that night, and feel the contempt that others directed toward them. I talked to a few of his former students and it still made an impression on them. Many became social activists afterwards. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 01:34:54 EST, you write: Hmm, a ball in the back of my pajamas, eh? I'm in big trouble. I don't sleep in pajamas! G Bill Well, do you have a ball anywhere else, Bill? (You have to admit, you were wide open for that one.) Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:53:52 EST, you write: Anything ending in "ology" means study of--that one throws me sometimes though--Doc what is pathology--the study of paths??? g You're not all that far off -- "pathos" is Greek for suffering, so Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 12:38:05 EST, you write: Probably the same reaction as has been given to other stories, unless the person can provide more solid proof of the story. I think it's more revealing to consider why we haven't heard from highly intelligent and esteemed people being abducted by aliens. Or is that something planned by the aliens? G Do we really know we haven't heard this from highly intelligent people? I don't think I"ve ever heard anything about the IQ level of the people claiming to have been abducted. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 01:11:05 EST, you write: That's exactly what happened. I couldn't breathe! :) BTW, do you know if you dream in color? T hat's another thing I never remember, even when I can remember the dream. Bill No, I don't know. I've heard for years that we do, that we don't, that humans do but animals don't (now how did anyone figure that out I wonder?) -- all sorts of changes. My remembered dreams are usually more about plot than they are about picture. I think I did dream in color once, when I was a child -- at least when I woke I thought I remembered a bunch of colored balloons -- but??? Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: LOL I knew you were going to say that. Well we could just scotch tape it to your back. BG I don't think I have ever read anything in my dreams. But I have had dreams about things that I have read while awake. :) Sue HI Sue, LOL...I don't know the question. Have you ever dreamed that you were reading something but it was just gibberish and made no sense? That's what this was like. And all the while I was trying to tell him that I couldn't breathe. :) Hmm, a ball in the back of my pajamas, eh? I'm in big trouble. I don't sleep in pajamas! G Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, They would probably charge a fee for it. :) Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:25:28 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Now that is what I would call a "control freak." Wonder how they would handle free association with Freud? G jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:54:22 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: William J. Foristal wrote: Or is that something planned by the aliens? G Bill Hi Bill Perhaps, they are leaking the information gradually so we will understand the complexity of the situation bbbg jackief Hi Jackie, Wow, that means that they are REALLY a LOT more intelligent than we are. :) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, You know what they say..If you can't fix it, duct it! Bill On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:27:05 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: The ball is suppose to prevent a person from sleeping on their back. It is a thing that they use a lot for people who snore. In Bills case I think a little duct tape would solve the problem. LOL Hi Bill Maybe your wife could make you a pouch with straps or a belt to put the ball in. g. Of course that would depend on where the ball was suppose to be--between the shoulder blades, small of the back?? And of course the size of the ball. I wonder what the ball really does for a person? Sue, does it help if the person is elevated to a degree?? I know they are researching sleep apnea in Fargo at the PRACS institute--one of my students was involved in the study, but he never said what they were doing. His teachers all received a notice from the counseling office to alert us to his condition. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Yeah, and that becomes a separate issue. Most of the laws regarding the admissability of evidence are flexible enough so that it depends on the judge's ruling. And it makes sense that a highly skilled attorney will be able to make a more compelling argument in court as opposed to a less skilled attorney. So the defendant who has the most money has the best chance on winning these kind of issues. But I don't think laws can be written to be so rigid that the judge does not have the opportunity to consider the specifics of a case and rule accordingly. In summary, I don't have an answer to how to solve the problem. :) Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:22:57 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I am getting a little apprehensive about some of the recent rulings of courts. It seems with our reactive type laws and policies, we forget the middle ground and swing from one side of the pendulum to the other. And, of course, there are some that will have the money again to fight any of these rulings so it just seems to increase the inequality in how justice is distributed. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I have a recurring dream where I'm reading a newspaper or a book and I can't understand a word of what I'm reading. I think that in some dreams we are using a part of the brain that does not have access to another part needed to comprehend something. In fact, many dreams probably mimic the real life experience of people who have mental problems or physical brain damage. That's just a personal theory, though. Bill On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:42:19 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: LOL I knew you were going to say that. Well we could just scotch tape it to your back. BG I don't think I have ever read anything in my dreams. But I have had dreams about things that I have read while awake. :) Sue HI Sue, LOL...I don't know the question. Have you ever dreamed that you were reading something but it was just gibberish and made no sense? That's what this was like. And all the while I was trying to tell him that I couldn't breathe. :) Hmm, a ball in the back of my pajamas, eh? I'm in big trouble. I don't sleep in pajamas! G Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, There are those who claim that everyone can be taught to do this. This sounds made up, but I swear it's true. I still have a vivid memory of a dream I had when I was about 8 years old. I was dreaming I was a cowboy with some famous cowboy like Wild Bill Hickock or Hopalong Cassidy. Of course, I was one of the good guys and was the big hero in rescuing women and children from the bad guys, etc. etc. But the part that is funny and I clearly remember is how I woke up. I woke up hearing a voice that said "And now a word from our sponsor". LOL..I SWEAR that's what happened. I still remember how disappointed I was that the dream ended. I kept trying to get back into the dream by imagining the words. "And now back to our show". I was a weird kid. I guess you have guessed that by now. Bill On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:40:17 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: That sounds way too cool. BG I would love to be able to do that. Can a person learn how to do that, or is it something only certain people can do? Sue Hi Jackie, There is also a type of dreaming (it has a name but I can't remember it now) where the person dreaming can actually control the dream and what happens. It's kind of like an internal virtual reality system. G Some people can actually go to sleep and plan a dream, then when they start dreaming will control the plot as if they are directing a movie. I feel I'm lucky if I can just avoid the bad dreams, or not remember them. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:24:32 EST DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 01:34:54 EST, you write: Hmm, a ball in the back of my pajamas, eh? I'm in big trouble. I don't sleep in pajamas! G Bill Well, do you have a ball anywhere else, Bill? (You have to admit, you were wide open for that one.) Doc HI Doc, LOL...I resisted going down that path. Reminds me of the woman who got fired from the "Tickle Me Elmo" factory. She was in Quality Control and after getting instructions from her boss she went to the end of the production line to start her job. Soon the line was all backed up as the dolls piled up in front of the woman. Her boss went down there and saw the woman with a bag of walnuts, some cloth sacks and a spool of thread and a needle. She was putting two walnuts in a sack and sewing them onto the appropriate part of the doll's body. "No, no," the boss hollered, "I told you to give each doll TWO TEST TICKLES!!" :) Bill _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Boy the way we condition our children to develop the stereotypes of what a girl should be like and what a boy should be like is amazing. I like to observe people and their kids in areas like the park or a doctor's office. I'm sure the adults don't realize what they are doing, but it is so obvious. Even people who aren't the kids' parents do it. Sure, you can use the Lewis and Clark line. You can use anything I post here. G At your own risk, of course. And we DID use covered wagons in the 50's and 60's. They were Chevy's and Ford's however. And that was when gas was cheap. Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:38:43 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I was waiting for someone to catch that little remark--LOL. I thought of Kathy when I wrote it and laughed. I was a real tomboy (big time) and used to get furious when people would say that I shouldn't be doing those things or saying something because it was a "boy" thing. Can I use the "Lewis and Clark" quote--love it!! Much better than going to my place to see my etchings. The worst one in my book was the "Let's play doctor one." Now, no one in their right mind enjoys going to the doctor's so why would I enjoy playing at it?? Glad you like my phrasing--hmm, somehow that sounds "dirty" (hahah). I guess that is how us "girlies" (now that is a term I hated) learned to talk dirty in public back in the covered wagon days when I was a young. (Don't laugh, my students sometimes act like the 50s and 60s were the covered wagon days or ancient history). jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...you can wield that axe of cynicism pretty good. There was a great political cartoon in the paper. It showed two teachers at an inner city school expressing gratitude that they finally got computers so the students could surf the web. But then they discovered that there were no power outlets in the rooms. :) Bill On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:27:43 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill LOL! You might know, I forgot the main point of spending money on these investigations--wealth and fame for some. Here all along I believed that these investigations were done in the interests of the people in our country as those raking in the dollars and getting their faces plastered all over tv have been telling me--how silly of me. But, then think of the benefits we all gain from these costly investigations--some can live in horrendous conditions (which isn't immoral, right) , but they can go to sleep at night feeling good that our country is being run by a moral President. So those who live in poverty can be thankful that there are guardian angels from the other side looking out for their good. After all, what's a few million among friends for such a noble cause. Ooh, a little cynical this morning, I guess. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Bailey didn't have Starr after his butt either. :) Isn't there a statute of limitations on cases like this. That Whitewater thing happened 25 or so years ago. Sue HI Sue, Yeah, that was an ironic bit of timing, wasn't it? And I guess we shouldn't minimize the fact that she and her husband DID commit crimes and stole money from others. But I wouldn't have a problem with crediting her for timed served on the contempt charge. I've never heard of anyone held that long for contempt of court. Even Flea Bailey didn't get that kind of treatment. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: My son is taking a poli sci class and came home with something that I thought was interesting. He said that in all of history whenever a political party went after someone in the other party like this, they never won the WH in the next election. Sue Hi Jackie, Exactly! I think the truly emotional Clinton haters we've seen have done more to raise Clinton's overall popularity rating than anything he could have done. It's the old saying that you can judge someone quite accurately by looking at his enemies. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Seriously?? I didn't think that anyone was that far above the law. Sue HI Sue, I don't think Starr is affected by ANY statutes. :) Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-12 05:53:31 EST, you write: The learning stuff I pulled from the net really picked up on the aural learning aspect of the NF personality. I should go back in and get the other three temperaments so I can compare them easily. The majority of my students last year in Psych were ESTJ's and were majoring in nursing or criminal justice. They tended to rank individual experience and visual aids as the most effective in learning new material. They really thought 'participant observation' assignments helped them most in learning. Hmm, I wonder. I wonder if this has a bearing on the problems in education to some degree. jackief Oh I'm sure it does. You have to teach your students in the way they learn, whether or not that is your own "favorite" way. That does become difficult when you are dealing with an aural learner and trying to teach a visual subject like Pathology. Our Path faculty were really flummoxed until I suggested having the student "talk" him/herself through the slides. It's not perfect, but it helps. I know that if I want to remember something I see or read I have to hear myself say it (even silently). Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-12 11:24:02 EST, you write: Which digit does G represent?* The easiest would be zero, since then any product would be equal to zero. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-12 01:03:19 EST, you write: It really makes it hard on someone who wants to know all the facts before they render an opinion. :) Especially when there are points on both sides which make for a good argument on both sides of the issue. BG Sue Waiting for ALL the facts means one will never have an opinion at all. There are always more "facts" -- or at least factoids -- to consider. At some point one must drive it or park it. (Or, in slightly more salacious terms, shit or get off the pot.) Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue - I found a trial tracking of the case of California v. Bray and Ayers on the Courttv site, but I did not see the verdict (maybe it is right in front of me!) - in any case the site says 1996, but the program announcer says "January" from which I derive 1998 for the trial. Do you have a way to check this out, betcha do! :) LDMF http://www.courttv.com/verdicts/bray.html#pagetop Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc: Actually no facts have come out on this as far as I can tell. As for anyone sleeping with anyone else, IMO, so what, none of my business and I personally could care less. There have been six grand jury's called and nothing has come out of any of them, regarding the Clintons. If he lied or suborned perjury then he should be out. But so far nothing has come out about that at all. Now that they are calling the only two people who really know what happened maybe we will find out something. But I somehow doubt it. Waiting for ALL the facts means one will never have an opinion at all. There are always more "facts" -- or at least factoids -- to consider. At some point one must drive it or park it. (Or, in slightly more salacious terms, shit or get off the pot.) Doc -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Sue, Just finished work. Want to ask if you or anyone knows much about Win 98. Joan -- From: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LI Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 2:55 PM Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released NEW YORK (AP) -- The Justice Department likely will not stop Microsoft from releasing its Windows 98 software with an Internet browser, The Wall Street Journal reported today. Instead, the department's antitrust enforcers are expected to ask U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson to require Microsoft to also offer a Windows 98 version without Internet software, the Journal reported, citing sources close to the case. Microsoft already faces a Justice Department lawsuit alleging it violated a 1995 court order designed to prevent anti-competitive conduct. Department investigators are gathering evidence for a wider antitrust case against the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant, the newspaper said. Justice lawyers say Microsoft has leveraged its dominance to gain market share for its Internet browsers, which navigate around the World Wide Web. In January, Microsoft avoided a contempt-of-court citation by agreeing to let computer makers temporarily offer its latest version of Windows 95 without easy access to its Internet Explorer software. The company has appealed a December federal court order on the browser issue. The paper said Microsoft likely would fight a requirement for a browser-less Windows 98. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joan: I still can't run 95. :) But I did get something in the mail today talking about previews. You can find out more at http://www.microsoft.com/magazine/msxtreme/ or call 1-800-550-4300 they are having shows all over the country. What state are you in right now and I can give you what they say on this. It is on Saturday April 4 Sue Hello Sue, Just finished work. Want to ask if you or anyone knows much about Win 98. Joan -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill and Sue :) Just a slight correction here in case your not aware of it, there was another lady that spent 18mos in jail for contempt charges it was due to her that the law now limits the time of being held to 18mos for contempt. I can't remember her name but you most likely will remember the case, it was a child custody case concerning two Doctors. She claimed her daughter was being molested by her husband who is also a doctor, the daughter testified to this and so did other doctors testify to it. The husband had others testify the daughter and mother were making it up and it wasn't true, (IMHO it was especially since the little girl had gonorrhea and so did the father). Well the judge decided to give him unsupervised visitation, and he was to have the daughter on the weekends, the mother decided she couldn't allow this, so her mother and father went to Australia and they took the daughter, due to the fact the Australian courts also looked at this and believed the little girl was being molested they would not force her to be returned to her father. The mother was jailed here in the US, due to contempt, refusing to tell the judge where her daughter was. She was held indefinitely, it was in all the papers and even made into a movie of the week. Eventually enough people were outraged and it then hit the supreme court and it was then decided no one can be held in jail for longer than 18 months for contempt. The mother was eventually released, and as she said, she would do it all over again to protect her daughter. I commend her for that. Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Bailey didn't have Starr after his butt either. :) Isn't there a statute of limitations on cases like this. That Whitewater thing happened 25 or so years ago. Sue HI Sue, Yeah, that was an ironic bit of timing, wasn't it? And I guess we shouldn't minimize the fact that she and her husband DID commit crimes and stole money from others. But I wouldn't have a problem with crediting her for timed served on the contempt charge. I've never heard of anyone held that long for contempt of court. Even Flea Bailey didn't get that kind of treatment. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Microsoft hearings
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am glad to see I'm not the only that things I.E. is a piece of crap. I don't see why anyone uses it. I have tried it in all of it's various stages and keep finding myself going back to Communicator, at least with them I can control where my files go and I don't have a lot of useless crud taking up space on my hard drive. Leonard Booth wrote: Hello Dr. L.D. I've been following this for a while and find it very interesting. Hope they can finally cut Gates down to size on a couple of things. This Internet explorer he's trying to jam down everyone's throat is a peice of crap. Maybe he'll wake up soon. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Computers/Admissions/Dr L
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Teen suspect barred from slain mom's rites Hi Dr. L.: So far this is all that I can find on the trial. These two stories were in the SD Union Archives. I'm still out there looking. :) I couldn't find anything in the LA Times. Sue 25-Jan-1996 Thursday LOS ANGELES -- A court order allowing a jailed teen-ager to attend her slain mother's funeral yesterday was rescinded by a judge hours before the service. Amber Bray, 18, was charged with helping her boyfriend, Jeffrey Glenn Ayers, 22, kill Dixie Lee Hollier, 42, on Jan. 16 in Hollier's Burbank home. Prosecutors say the defendants plotted for months to kill the woman. Superior Court Judge James Bascue ruled Tuesday that the teen-ager could attend the mother's funeral at a Burbank church but not the burial at Forest Lawn Memorial Park, Hollywood Hills. But the judge changed his mind yesterday after the Sheriff's Department informed him that a deputy who gave permission for the trip didn't have the authority to do so, said a spokesman for the District Attorney's Office. - Couple jailed in slaying of Burbank woman 18-Jan-1996 Thursday BURBANK -- A woman allowed her boyfriend into her house and stood by as he shot, beat and stabbed her mother to death, police said yesterday. Jeffrey Glenn Ayers, 21, was still attacking Dixie Hollier, 42, when police arrived at the home early Tuesday, police said. Ayers surrendered and Hollier, a manager in the international division at Warner Bros. Records in Burbank, was pronounced dead at the scene. Ayers and the victim's daughter, Amber Merrie Bray, 18, were arrested and held without bail. Investigators said documents recovered from Ayers and Bray indicated that the two believed that some money would become available if the mother was dead. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Waste of Youth Crime was computers/Admissions Dr L
"Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue - you are magic. Don't know how you found this, but now we can look at the content. What a tragic waste all the way around. Every time one of these things happens we all lose (honors student going to prison, mother killed). A program called "Fight Crime - invest in kids" is airing right now on the Charles Grodin show (a repeat I think), discussing the need for funding to sponsor afterschool activities for younger kids, and alternative activities like early career starts for older kids at risk, all involving non-school hours (crime the highest). Kids - all too young in some ways, all too old in others. Sue Hartigan wrote:- Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I have found something. :) Woman Guilty of Killing Her Mother for Inheritance; Crime: Amber Bray, 20, could face life in prison for 1996 slaying. Second jury continues to weigh case against her boyfriend, her alleged accomplice.; -- A former high school honors student and cheerleader, accused of plotting with her boyfriend to kill her mother for a $310,000 inheritance, was found guilty Wednesday of conspiracy and first-degree murder. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: No Date Set for Lewinsky Testimony
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No Date Set for Lewinsky Testimony -- Monica Lewinsky's lawyer, saying her legal bills likely exceed $100,000, welcomed the possibility Wednesday that President Clinton might testify before the federal grand jury investigating the president-intern controversy. ``We welcome the truth, and we would do anything to get this over,'' attorney William Ginsburg said of reports that Clinton's advisers and Whitewater prosecutors have had preliminary talks about a possible presidential grand jury appearance. Ginsburg, however, said in an interview he cannot project when his own client might testify, as he and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr continue to battle in court over whether she should be given full immunity in exchange for testimony. Meanwhile, the grand jury investigating whether Ms. Lewinsky had a sexual relationship with the president and then tried to cover it up with Clinton's help appeared to spend Wednesday reviewing evidence. Clinton's personal secretary, Betty Currie, was scheduled to testify but that appearance was delayed until next week, officials said. One of the president's most trusted advisers, Bruce Lindsey, is expected to make a return appearance Thursday in what could precipitate a major showdown over executive privilege. In his first appearance before the grand jury last month, Lindsey declined to answer several prosecutors' questions on grounds his answers might violate the president's right to executive privilege, sources said. Since then, prosecutors and the White House have tried to avert a showdown over the issue, but officials have said those talks have made little or no progress. Ginsburg has argued that prosecutors made but then rescinded a deal to give his client full immunity in exchange for her cooperation. They deny it. Both sides spent an entire day in court last week arguing their cases in secret before the chief judge overseeing the grand jury. ``There's all sorts of things hanging it up,'' Ginsburg said. Asked if could win full immunity for his client, Ginsburg said he remains concerned about his prospects. ``A trial lawyer always run scared ... so I feel no confidence, no high level of elation. I feel concerned,'' he said. ``I always feel I have the ability to win because I have the facts and the law on my side. But that doesn't mean I'm not scared.'' Ginsburg said Ms. Lewinsky, 24, a former White House intern, is sometimes depressed by her plight, feeling trapped most times in her Watergate apartment by an intense news media following. ``She goes from being happy when we are out and having a good time to normally human-type depression when she is not be able to go out and call her friends,'' he said. Ginsburg said her unpaid legal bills already exceed six-figures. ``I would guess about $100,000 to $200,000 behind,'' he said. The lawyer also sharply disputed reports last week that during the secret court proceedings over Ms. Lewinsky's immunity offer, the judge chastised him for giving differing accounts of what Ms. Lewinsky might say if she ever testifies. ``It's not true. It's negative. The judge never even broached that subject. Not even close. It's just poor reporting on somebody's part,'' he said. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Budzyn: Closing arguments
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Walter Budzyn's fate is now in the jury's hands as both the prosecution and defense gave their closing arguments yesterday. Prosecutor Douglas Baker's primary theme was this: Budzyn's testimony about his encounter with Malice Green was carefully contrived and made up to make it seem like he was not aware that Green was being beaten to death. Baker told the jury that Budzyn's story conveniently exonerates him from all awareness and responsibility in Green's death but ultimately does not make sense. "No one tells the same version of the incident that Walter Budzyn tells," Baker said. "Everybody's wrong...that's why I believe that his testimony is manufactured, made-up and the sign of a desperate man because that's what he's brought himself down to." "I'm not saying that Budzyn's version of the incident was physically impossible. Anything's impossible...he could have done cartwheels into the car to get Malice Green," Baker continued. "I don't want this case to come down to whether Budzyn's story is physically possible. The question is did it happen that way." Baker questioned why, if Green dropped a rock of cocaine in front of Budzyn as he had claimed, the defendant did not merely order him out of the car. He pointed out that Budzyn admitted on the stand that at that point, he had enough evidence to arrest Green and did not need to grab Green. Baker contended that the real story is that Budzyn grabbed Green before he had even seen what the victim held in his hand. The prosecutor also found it suspicious that, if Budzyn was dragged into the car backwards as he claimed, that he did not turn around at all to see the altercation between his partner Larry Nevers and Green. Budzyn heard the fracas, but allegedly did not see the fatal incident. And, Baker also asked, if the events transpired as Budzyn claimed, why didn't Nevers pull Budzyn out of the car to safety first? The prosecutor stressed that it seemed strange that a trained police officer would not immediately check on the welfare of his partner in the midst of an altercation during an attempted arrest. Prosecutor Baker called the altercation between Green and Nevers and Budzyn a "clear-cut case of murder" and characterized Budzyn and Nevers as "partners in the police force and partners in crime." Using a billboard depicting illustrated three monkeys, he said that Budzyn would like them to believe that he miraculously "saw no evil, heard no evil, and spoke no evil." Baker also noted that the position of the blood spatters found on the windshield within Green's car could only have come from inside the car. And since only Green and Budzyn were inside the car, the blows had to have been inflicted by Budzyn. In the defense's closing arguments, attorney James Howarth quickly pointed out that the testimony of previous prosecution witness Teresa Pace, whom he labeled as the state's "star witness," contradicted her testimony from Budzyn's first trial. In the 1993 trial, Pace claimed that she saw Green holding cocaine in his hand and did not see him kicking at the officers. Howarth also said that Pace's version of the motion in which the flashlights allegedly came down on Green differed from her testimony in the first trial. This, Howarth implied, damaged Pace's credibility. And Howarth claimed that although previous witness Ralph Fletcher claimed that he was closer to the scene of the incident that the other eyewitnesses, his testimony differed from Pace's account. Howarth also noted that during her testimony in this trial, Pace needed glasses to see some of video slides; this implied that Pace may have needed glasses during the incident and did not see the altercation as well as she thought. Howarth also noted that none of the EMS technicians who testified saw Budzyn strike Green; most of them said that they saw Nevers and Officer Robert Lessnau hitting Green. And if Budzyn had struck Green, he would have had blood on his clothes. Nevers, Howarth stressed, was the one who needed peroxide to clean his hands and clothes. During his rebuttal closings, Douglas Baker said that even without Teresa Pace, the prosecution would have enough evidence to convict Budzyn for the murder of Malice Green. He also noted that defense attorney did not focus on Budzyn's testimony in his closing arguments because of its various inconsistencies. The jury started deliberations today (Thursday) after Judge Thomas Jackson gave them their instructions on the charges facing Budzyn. Against the defense objections, the jury will be asked to consider both second-degree murder and manslaughter charges against Budzyn. (The defense wanted just second-degree murder, an all-or nothing strategy.) Second degree murder carries a maximum sentence of life with parole or any term of years. (Budzyn's first sentence was 8 -18 years; he served just under 4 years of that sentence.) Involuntary manslaughter carries
LI COTD: Haarman, Fritz
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Born October 25, 1879, in Hanover, Germany, Haarmann was the sixth child of a real-life odd couple. His father, a surly railroad fireman, was dubbed "Sulky Olle" by acquaintances; his mother, seven years her husband's senior, was an invalid. In early childhood, Fritz became his mother's pet and grew up hating his father, preferring dolls to the sports normally enjoyed by boys. Packed off to a military school at age sixteen, Haarmann was soon released when he showed symptoms of epilepsy. Back in Hanover, he was accused of molesting small children and was sent to an asylum for observation, but he escaped after six months in custody. Thereafter, Haarmann earned his way through petty crimes, molesting children for amusement, on the side. Turning over a new leaf in 1900, he became engaged to a local girl but abandoned her for the army when she became pregnant. Honorably discharged in 1903, he returned to Hanover and successfully avoided his father's efforts to have him certified insane. A series of arrests followed, for burglary, con games, and picking pockets, before Haarmann's father set him up as proprietor of a fish-and-chips shop. Fritz promptly stole the business blind, but he was less successful when he preyed on strangers. Convicted of a warehouse burglary in 1914, he was sentenced to five years in prison. Upon parole, in 1918, he joined a Hanover smuggling ring and prospered, simultaneously working for police as an informer. On occasion, he would introduce himself to strangers as "Detective Haarmann." Wartime Hanover was jammed with homeless refugees, and Haarmann had his pick of boys, enticing them with offers of a place to spend the night. Among the first was Friedel Rothe, age 17, whose parents learned that he had met "Detective Haarmann" just before he disappeared. Police searched Haarmann's flat, but came up empty. Six years later, he confessed that Friedel's head, wrapped in newspaper, was Iying on the floor behind his stove while officers poked through his drawers and cupboards. Late in 1918, Haarmann was sentenced to nine months in prison on charges of indecency with a minor. On release, he found new quarters for himself, falling into company with 24-year-old Hans Grans, a homosexual pimp and petty thief. They became lovers and business associates, Haarmann adding new lines of used clothing and black market meat to the stolen items he sold for a living. Together, Grans and Haarmann launched a wholesale scheme of homicide for fun and profit. Homeless boys were lured from the railway station, subsequently raped and killed by Haarmann (who informed police that his technique involved the biting of a victim's throat). The corpses were dismembered, sold as beef or pork, incriminating portions dropped into the River Leine. Grans took his pick of the discarded clothing prior to selling off the rest; one victim was reportedly disposed of after Grans expressed a wish to own his trousers. Hanover police were strangely blind to Haarmann's murderous activities. On one occasion, a suspicious customer delivered some of Haarmann's meat to the authorities for testing, and the "experts" wrote it off as pork. "Detective Haarmann" further called attention to himself by visiting the parents of a boy named Keimes, found strangled in a Hanover canal, and subsequently told police that Grans had done the murder. Since the pimp was then incarcerated on another charge, police dismissed the tale and never bothered checking Haarnnann's interest in the case. On May 17, 1924, a human skull was found beside the Leine; another was unearthed May 29, two more on June 13, but Hanover authorities dismissed the matter as a "practical joke." Their attitude changed on July 24, when some children discovered a sack filled with human bones, including another skull, on the riverbank. Panic erupted, with newspapers reporting some 600 teenage boys missing in the past year alone. Dragging the Leine, police recovered more than 500 bones, accounting for an estimated twenty-seven victims. By coincidence, Fritz Haarmann was arrested during this period and charged with another count of public indecency. A routine search of his flat revealed copious bloodstains, initially dismissed as a result of his unlicensed butcher's operation. Homicide detectives found their first hard evidence when parents of a missing boy identified a coat, now owned by the son of Haarmann's landlady. In custody, the suspect suddenly decided to confess his crimes in gory detail. Asked the number of his victims, Fritz replied, "Thirty or forty, I don't remember exactly." Haarmann's trial opened on December 4 and lasted for two weeks, the defendant grandly puffing on cigars, complaining that there were too many women in the courtroom. Convicted of twenty-four murders and sentenced to die, Haarmann was decapitated on April 15, 1925. Grans, his accomplice, received a sentence of twelve years in prison. -- Kathy E "I
LI BrainBenderz: Equal Products
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -=Today's Puzzle: A D B G E C F Each of seven digits from 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 is: 1) Represented by a different letter in the figure above. 2) Positioned in the figure above so that A x B x C, B x G x E, and D x E x F are equal. Which digit does G represent?* -=Yesterday's Answer: Who Is Lying? - B cannot be the Nororean as claimed, because that would be the truth, and a Nororean cannot speak truthfully. B cannot be the Sororean as the statement would be false, and a Sororean cannot speak falsely. Therefore, B is the Midrorean; A is the Sororean; and C, both of whose statements are false, is the Nororean. - Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released NEW YORK (AP) -- The Justice Department likely will not stop Microsoft from releasing its Windows 98 software with an Internet browser, The Wall Street Journal reported today. Instead, the department's antitrust enforcers are expected to ask U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson to require Microsoft to also offer a Windows 98 version without Internet software, the Journal reported, citing sources close to the case. Microsoft already faces a Justice Department lawsuit alleging it violated a 1995 court order designed to prevent anti-competitive conduct. Department investigators are gathering evidence for a wider antitrust case against the Redmond, Wash.-based software giant, the newspaper said. Justice lawyers say Microsoft has leveraged its dominance to gain market share for its Internet browsers, which navigate around the World Wide Web. In January, Microsoft avoided a contempt-of-court citation by agreeing to let computer makers temporarily offer its latest version of Windows 95 without easy access to its Internet Explorer software. The company has appealed a December federal court order on the browser issue. The paper said Microsoft likely would fight a requirement for a browser-less Windows 98. -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Louise Woodward
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Boston Globe: MARBLEHEAD - Add this to Louise Woodward's law troubles: She's not allowed to work at the local dog pound. Woodward volunteered to help out at the Animal Control Division in Marblehead, where she lives with one of her lawyers while awaiting a ruling in the appeal of her manslaughter conviction in the death of 8-month-old Matthew Eappen. But working at the pound requires the approval of Police Chief John B. Palmer and he said ''such approval would not be in the best interests of the Marblehead Police Department.'' Woodward's visa has been revoked and she is unable to work or attend school. She wanted to help at the pound ''to make good use of her time,'' said her lawyer, Elaine Whitfield Sharp, adding that Woodward was ''was very hurt'' by Palmer's letter. (AP) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Anti-batterer custody bill OK constitutionally, SJC rules
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In Massachusetts... (From Boston Globe) The Supreme Judicial Court yesterday removed several legal hurdles to the passage of a bill that would make it more difficult for parents implicated in spousal abuse to gain custody of their children. Vehemently opposed by several fathers' groups, the measure in recent years has cleared the House but repeatedly stalled in the Senate. The bill would create a rebuttable presumption that a parent who has engaged in a ''pattern or serious incident of abuse'' should not get custody or visitation rights with their children. It has won the backing of a broad range of groups concerned with domestic violence, child protection, women's issues and law enforcement, and it appeared to be on the verge of passage last November when the Senate gave its preliminary approval to the measure by a vote of 36 to 1. But Senator Edward J. Clancy Jr. (D-Lynn), the lone dissenting vote, who had succeeded in past years in killing the measure, persuaded his colleagues to ask the SJC for its opinion on the constitutionality of the measure. Yesterday, the SJC said that while parents have a constitutionally protected interest in their relationship with their children, when domestic violence has been a significant factor in the home, it may be in the child's best interests to limit parents' rights. The court addressed the issue of one parent making false allegations of domestic abuse against the other, a key concern of fathers' groups opposing the legislation. In the decision, the justices said most parents would not lie about abuse because if the lie were found out, they would risk losing custody of their children. The SJC said the bill is proposing nothing extraordinary. ''There is a growing national awareness that children who witness or experience domestic violence suffer deep and profound harms,'' the court said. ''To better protect children, many states have adopted legislation making it more difficult for an abusive parent to obtain custody of a child in a divorce proceeding.'' Proponents were elated. Beth Boland, president-elect of the Massachusetts Women's Bar Association, said, ''It really is clarifying that the psychological well-being of children in abusive homes really trumps the interests of the allegedly abusive parent.'' Senator Cheryl A. Jacques (D-Needham), a lead sponsor of the bill, said the SJC opinion ''has cleared the way for passage of this important legislation,'' which ''will go a long way toward breaking the cycle of domestic abuse.'' Clancy could not be reached for comment, but the opinion rankled fathers' groups. John Maguire of Boston-based Fathers and Families said, ''Most children would crawl on their hands and knees for a chance to see either parent. This decision is a sad mistake because it will ensure that thousands of children will lose all-important contact with their fathers.'' -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Vampire Slaying case
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think most of us remember when this case happened and watching the extradition proceedings for the various teens involved, here is a complete summary of the case from beginning to end for you. Enjoy! :) = On February 12, 1998, seventeen-year-old Rod Ferrell pled guilty to killing a Eustis, Florida couple with a crowbar. The leader of a teenage vampire cult, Ferrell was allegedly helped in the double slaying by his then-girlfriend, Charity Lynn Keesee, and two other members of the cult. The victims, Richard Wendorf and Naoma Queen, were the parents of Heather Wendorf, a friend of Ferrell's, and were beaten to death in their home on November 25, 1996. The road to the murders began some three days earlier, on November 22. Late that night or early in the morning of the 23rd, Ferrell -- along with Keesee and the two cult members, Howard Scott Anderson and Dana Cooper -- left his hometown of Murray, Kentucky to drive down to Eustis. After the four arrived in Eustis, Ferrell, who had lived there for several years before moving back to Murray to live with his mother, tracked down Wendorf and told another acquaintance, Audrey Presson, that he was in town for unfinished business. A Disturbing Upbringing When Ferrell was born on March 28, 1980, his mother, Sondra Gibson was only 17 years old, and his father, Rick Ferrell, was also a teen. The two were married nine days after baby Rod was born, but split up weeks afterwards. Rick Ferrell filed for a divorce and joined the military, while Sondra kept the child. Her parents also looked after Rod, who claimed Sondra's father -- his grandfather -- raped him when he was 5. Rod also claimed that as a young child, he was exposed to occult rituals and human sacrifices, and was introduced to the "Dungeons Dragons" role-playing game. Sondra Gibson eventually remarried and moved frequently with Rod before leaving him in Murray, Kentucky and moving with her new husband to Michigan. He allegedly told Rod that they were never coming back, and Gibson apparently became so upset that she divorced him and moved back to Murray to be with Rod. (Her second husband also allegedly engaged in satanic rituals.) Around this time, Rod began to undergo some sort of transformation. He walked in cemeteries at night, cut himself so others could drink his blood, and told people he was a 500-year-old vampire named "Vesago." His school work slipped and he began flagrantly disobeying his schools' policies, skipping class, smoking on campus and generally defying teachers and school officials. He also indulged in playing "Vampire: The Masquerade," a realistic role-playing game in which players act out vampiric scenarios in real-time. His mother allowed him to stay out all night, use drugs, and skip school, and he frequently spent time with a young man named Stephen Murray, who brought the teenage Ferrell into the vampire world and "crossed him over," turning him into a presumptive vampire and giving him his name. By the spring of 1996, Rod was also talking long-distance to Heather Wendorf, who apparently told Rod that her parents were hurting her and that she wanted him to come get her, but that he would have to kill them to do so. In September 1996, Murphy attacked Ferrell, who refused treatment when taken to a local hospital. Murphy was convicted for the attack. Shortly after, Sondra Gibson was charged with soliciting a minor -- Murphy's 14-year-old brother -- whom Gibson wrote love letters, imploring him to "cross her over" and have her as his vampire bride. "Vesago" Attacks On November 25, the day of the murders, Ferrell and his companions were stopped by law enforcement officers and questioned because their vehicle had a flat tire. The flat caused Ferrell to change his plans. He told Wendorf and another friend, Jeanine LeClaire, about this and allegedly discussed with the group a plan to kill Wendorf's parents and take their Ford Explorer to use as a getaway vehicle. Ferrell and friends arrived near the Wendorf home and met Heather Wendorf down the road from her house. He sent the three young women -- Heather Wendorf, Cooper and Keesee -- to visit Heather's boyfriend and pick up LeClaire. Ferrell and Anderson stayed behind, armed with clubs. The two young men searched the outside of the Wendorf home, looking for some way to get inside. They entered through an unlocked door to the garage and searched the garage for better weapons. Ferrell finally settled on a crowbar. Ferrell and Anderson then went inside the house, yanked one phone from the wall, and came upon 49-year-old Richard Wendorf, asleep on the couch. Ferrell beat him several times with the crowbar, fracturing his skull and giving him numerous chest wounds, including fractured ribs. As Richard Wendorf lay dying, Naoma Queen left a bathroom in the
