Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[Martin Blais]

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 10:56 AM, John Wiegley  wrote:

> > "M" == Marcos   writes:
>
> M> 2. Yes. It is possible to encrypt text files too.
>
> If you have just one Ledger file, you can encrypt it with Gpg, and then
> use a
> wrapper script that unencrypts it and feeds the result via a pipe to
> "ledger
> -f -".
>
> It would be nice for Ledger to natively read and decrypt Gpg files, which
> would then work with including files.
>
> What I do is to create an encrypted loopback filesystem (on the Mac, this
> is
> called an "encrypted sparsebundle"), in which I store all my Ledger files.


Which is also what I do, which is better IMO, as you can store all kinds of
other files in the same repo, all encrypted under that fs.
Encryption lives very well as a filesystem layer, should not have to be
weaved directly into all the programs we use.

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[John Wiegley]

> "M" == Marcos   writes:

M> 2. Yes. It is possible to encrypt text files too. 

If you have just one Ledger file, you can encrypt it with Gpg, and then use a
wrapper script that unencrypts it and feeds the result via a pipe to "ledger
-f -".

It would be nice for Ledger to natively read and decrypt Gpg files, which
would then work with including files.

What I do is to create an encrypted loopback filesystem (on the Mac, this is
called an "encrypted sparsebundle"), in which I store all my Ledger files.

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[Marcos]

Dee/Ajoelbin, no not all. I actually value your input (as well as every one 
else).

I just actually learned about Org-Mode and I think I would use it as my 
invoice/account statement purpose(using tables and such)
Its sad that OrgMode doesn't get much recognition for what it is. 

That being said I am going to learn more about Org Mode and hopefully that 
will be a valuable tool in keeping things more organized.



On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 9:54:04 AM UTC+8, Marcos wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have been using ledger for a while. I find it very useful personal usage 
> and tracking my personal expenses however using it for a Small Business 
> seems a bit daunting and/or scary.
> The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some 
> secure database does make it seem less suitable for Small Business(in my 
> opinion).
>
> On the other hand, the easy and agnostic input of data makes it a valuable 
> for rapid entries(at the same time not having proper accounting structure 
> across all files runs the risk of having strange ledger outputs). 
>
> I would like to hear what others here feel about this. 
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[James]

Dee/Ajoelbin, no not all. I actually value your input (as well as every one 
else).

I just actually learned about Org-Mode and I think I would use it as my 
invoice/account statement purpose(using tables and such)
Its sad that OrgMode doesn't get much recognition for what it is. 

That being said I am going to learn more about Org Mode and hopefully that 
will be a valuable tool in keeping things more organized.








On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 9:54:04 AM UTC+8, Marcos wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have been using ledger for a while. I find it very useful personal usage 
> and tracking my personal expenses however using it for a Small Business 
> seems a bit daunting and/or scary.
> The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some 
> secure database does make it seem less suitable for Small Business(in my 
> opinion).
>
> On the other hand, the easy and agnostic input of data makes it a valuable 
> for rapid entries(at the same time not having proper accounting structure 
> across all files runs the risk of having strange ledger outputs). 
>
> I would like to hear what others here feel about this. 
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[o1bigtenor]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:52 PM, Marcin Borkowski  wrote:
>
> On 2017-03-05, at 02:54, Marcos  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have been using ledger for a while. I find it very useful personal usage
>> and tracking my personal expenses however using it for a Small Business
>> seems a bit daunting and/or scary.
>> The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some
>> secure database does make it seem less suitable for Small Business(in my
>> opinion).
>>
>> On the other hand, the easy and agnostic input of data makes it a valuable
>> for rapid entries(at the same time not having proper accounting structure
>> across all files runs the risk of having strange ledger outputs).
>>
>> I would like to hear what others here feel about this.
>
> How would you compare:
>
> - ledger text files,
> - what you refer to as "secure database",
> - old-school paper?
>
> The question is, what do you mean by "secure".  Do you mean "encrypted"?
> Why not encrypt text files?  Do you mean "backed up"?  I do backups of
> my files daily.  Do you mean atomicity of operations?  I'm not very
> familiar with that, but with not-so-high volume of hand-input
> transactions, this shouldn't be a big deal, no?

Only speaking to the last question - - - as the number of transactions goes up
the greater the risk of modulations in descriptions and/or terms used.
This would
be further acerbated by greater numbers of individuals inputting data.
The changes
could be small, like using a capital on a word where the bookkeeper doesn't.

This is very much less of an issue when it is only one person, and
always the same
person entering data. When that number of persons increases - - well
the risk of
changes increases largely!

Regards

Dee

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[Marcos]

The point I am trying to make here is:-

1. Yes. It is possible to make incremental backups of text files.
2. Yes. It is possible to encrypt text files too. 

My concerns:-

Keeping the file organized for large volume transactions.
Handling salaries, individual receivable accounts / payable accounts , 
invoicing.

I am not saying that any of the above is inconceivable in ledger. They all 
can be very well managed on Ledger but it can be a bit tedious.
Maintaining a common structure among all the ledger files is necessary if 
you want to make the most of ledger for a small business in my opinion.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of the above.










On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 9:54:04 AM UTC+8, Marcos wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I have been using ledger for a while. I find it very useful personal usage 
> and tracking my personal expenses however using it for a Small Business 
> seems a bit daunting and/or scary.
> The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some 
> secure database does make it seem less suitable for Small Business(in my 
> opinion).
>
> On the other hand, the easy and agnostic input of data makes it a valuable 
> for rapid entries(at the same time not having proper accounting structure 
> across all files runs the risk of having strange ledger outputs). 
>
> I would like to hear what others here feel about this. 
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

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Re: Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[Ben Finney]

Marcos  writes:

> The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some
> secure database

Could you not keep it in one or more secure text files?

By which I mean: Can you expand on what you mean by “secure”, and why
you think it is available for a database but not a collection of text
files?

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Ledger for Personal usage vs Small Business usage

[Marcos]

Hi,
I have been using ledger for a while. I find it very useful personal usage 
and tracking my personal expenses however using it for a Small Business 
seems a bit daunting and/or scary.
The idea of having all customer data on a text file as opposed to some 
secure database does make it seem less suitable for Small Business(in my 
opinion).

On the other hand, the easy and agnostic input of data makes it a valuable 
for rapid entries(at the same time not having proper accounting structure 
across all files runs the risk of having strange ledger outputs). 

I would like to hear what others here feel about this. 

Thanks



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