Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
I don't like Huddersfield, so whoever they play I hope the oppo win!! --- On Tue, 17/5/11, David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk wrote: From: David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk Subject: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? To: 'leedslist@gn.apc.org' leedslist@gn.apc.org Date: Tuesday, 17 May, 2011, 13:19 I notice that Huddersfield drew 1 - 1 with Bournemouth in their League One playoff semi final first leg. So with a win tomorrow Bournemouth would get to the play off final. I also notice that Bournemouth finished a full 16 points behind Huddersfield in the league. Personally, I don't like the play-offs. I think the league is a league, and success should be judged over the full course of the season, not in three games. I think it's an injustice that a team finishing 16 points behind another could get promoted in place of the higher finishing team. I understand that neutrals enjoy the games, and it brings money in to clubs, and widens the possibilities for the top 10/12 clubs toward the end of the season rather than the top five or six, but I still don't like them. Question is am I alone? Does everyone else think the play-offs are a good idea? DRB(ored) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
We arent in League two that's why. From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Robert Heath Sent: 17 May 2011 16:49 To: markbu...@aol.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? What I want to know is how Torquay (who finished 7th in Div 4 on 68 pts) are in the playoffs, whilst we (7th on 72) are not. _ From: markbu...@aol.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:03:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've grown to like them, despite our appalling record in them. But I'd prefer to see a system that favours the teams that finished higher during the season, like this: Third placed team automatically qualifies for the Wembley final. Sixth plays fifth, with fifth having home advantage. Single game, not two legs. The winner plays fourth, with fourth having home advantage. Single game again . The winner goes to Wembley to play the third-placed team. So the higher you finish, the fewer the number of games you have to play. You could actually extend the playoff qualification down the league using this format, as there would be fewer semi-final games through not having a two-leg format. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1325 / Virus Database: 1509/3644 - Release Date: 05/17/11 ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
What Sean said. On 17 May 2011, at 15:58, seanscr...@aol.com wrote: I hate the playoffs. They are unfair, and an example of the creeping Americanization of football. The top three teams at the end of the season should go up. It's as simple as that. Anything else is unfair. Cheers! Sean ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
That is a bit like the Rugby Union play-offs were when originally brought in. Strange thing was that the team who qualified for the final (nearly) always lost it, as they were a bit rusty compared to the team who had to play a few games to get there!! KOT. Kevin Lewis System Administrator Production DBA team SSC Ltd Polaris House - GF North Star Avenue Swindon SN2 1FF T: 01793 867 086 M: 07776 182 996 ___ RCUK Shared Services Centre Limited (RCUK SSC Ltd) is a limited company registered in England and Wales (with company number 6330639) and has its registered address as North Star House, North Star Avenue, Swindon, Wiltshire SN2 1FF. This email may have a protective marking, for an explanation please see http://www.ssc.rcuk.ac.uk/fin/Documents/RCUKSharedServiceCentreLtd.pdf. This email and any attachments are intended for the named addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify RCUK SSC Ltd immediately and do not disclose, distribute, or retain this email or any part of it. While RCUK SSC Ltd has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise risk of this e-mail or any attachments containing viruses, the recipient should carry out its own virus checks before opening the attachments. RCUK SSC Ltd does not accept any liability for any losses or damages which the recipient may sustain due to presence of any viruses. RCUK SSC Ltd reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through their networks for the purposes of preventing and detecting crime. ___ This message has been scanned by the WebRoot Email Security Service. For more information please visit http://www.webroot.com ___ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
On 17 May 2011 at 13:19, David Brennan wrote: I notice that Huddersfield drew 1 - 1 with Bournemouth in their League One playoff semi final first leg. So with a win tomorrow Bournemouth would get to the play off final. I agree with you Dave proper promotion and no americanization good news the 1-1 draw was at Bournemouth, tonight's game is at 'Udders so should be in their favour (unless they do a Cardyff but then Bournemouth not exactly a Reading) guy ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
without playoffs our season would have ended a couple of months ago, as for playoffs being unfair, balderdash, the rules are known when the season starts, so how can it be unfair? ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
The playoffs are COMPLETELY unfair, because the team that has performed the best over the course of the season (out of the third through sixth places) is not guaranteed promotion. (In the old days, the third best team always got promoted. The playoffs were introduced for financial reasons, basically.) Just because there's a rule, it doesn't mean that rule is fair. Sean -Original Message- From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 9:57 am Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? without playoffs our season would have ended a couple of months ago, as for playoffs being unfair, balderdash, the rules are known when the season starts, so how can it be unfair? ttfn Richard ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
Oh and just think, Ian Harte is 90 mins away from a return to the premiership! Without the playoffs we wouldn't be looking at this hysterical scenario. I'm supporting Reading just for the reason of seeing Harte get skinned week in week out next season. Of course chances are he'll be offloaded to Leeds knowing our luck. Jeremy ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
Love emI know we're not very good at them...but on what I've seen so far can't help thinking we could have won this one. *** NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it, may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this message is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the e-mail and attached documents. Thank you. *** ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
Last season when we were desperately trying to cling on to automatic promotion and in danger of finishing third, I thought they were a monstrous injustice. Towards the end of this season when we didn't look like getting automatic promotion but could have finished sixth, I thought they were brilliant. I hope this helps. Tim W. From: graham.f...@yara.com graham.f...@yara.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 13:30 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? Love emI know we're not very good at them...but on what I've seen so far can't help thinking we could have won this one. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
It's an americanisation of our national sport and, as such I am against them on that principle. However, everyone knows them's the rules at the start of the season and they do add extra spice to the tail end of the season, keeping interest for teams who would otherwise be playing a number of meaningless games every year which would see a drop in revenue. On this years showing, I don't think we would have beaten Swansea over two legs i'm afraid. :-( On 17 May 2011, at 13:34, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote: Last season when we were desperately trying to cling on to automatic promotion and in danger of finishing third, I thought they were a monstrous injustice. Towards the end of this season when we didn't look like getting automatic promotion but could have finished sixth, I thought they were brilliant. I hope this helps. Tim W. From: graham.f...@yara.com graham.f...@yara.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 13:30 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? Love emI know we're not very good at them...but on what I've seen so far can't help thinking we could have won this one. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
I think the current promotion/relegation setup is very good. However, any expansion of the playoffs beyond the current number would adversely dilute the league season. I also like that the relegated teams don't get some sort of playoff lifeline at the end of their crappy/failed league season. You're in the bottom three you're down. Another emotional benefit is the league playoff system allows the supporters of many teams a chance to experience a Wembley final day out, because let's be honest most of these lower league teams never did and never will make the FA or League Cup finals. There has to be a Leeds joke in there somewhere Cheers Mark El Presidente Wisconsin Whites Leeds United Chicago Fire ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
I hate the playoffs. They are unfair, and an example of the creeping Americanization of football. The top three teams at the end of the season should go up. It's as simple as that. Anything else is unfair. Cheers! Sean -Original Message- From: Tim Leslie t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk To: tim.whe...@talk21.com tim.whe...@talk21.com Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 10:33 am Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? It's an americanisation of our national sport and, as such I am against them on that principle. However, everyone knows them's the rules at the start of the season and they do add extra spice to the tail end of the season, keeping interest for teams who would otherwise be playing a number of meaningless games every year which would see a drop in revenue. On this years showing, I don't think we would have beaten Swansea over two legs i'm afraid. :-( On 17 May 2011, at 13:34, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote: Last season when we were desperately trying to cling on to automatic promotion and in danger of finishing third, I thought they were a monstrous injustice. Towards the end of this season when we didn't look like getting automatic promotion but could have finished sixth, I thought they were brilliant. I hope this helps. Tim W. From: graham.f...@yara.com graham.f...@yara.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011, 13:30 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? Love emI know we're not very good at them...but on what I've seen so far can't help thinking we could have won this one. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
On 17/05/11 13:19, David Brennan wrote: Question is am I alone? Does everyone else think the play-offs are a good idea? As an attempt at extending the worth of games at the end of the season they seem to work, though I think they could be improved to make finishing third more of an advantage than it currently is. You can make things too complicated there and there are some godawful play-off systems around... consider the Belgian top division: A play-off phase is then played from March to May. The top 6 teams from the regular season enter the play-offs 1, with each team playing their opponents twice. The point system in the play-offs 1 is the same as during the regular season, except that each team starts with half of the points they won in the regular season. Points are rounded up to the nearest integer. At the end of the play-offs 1, the first-placed team becomes the champion of Belgium. If some teams are level in the ranking, any points added due to rounding are first withdrawn from their total points if applicable, before other criteria are taken into account. Teams ranked 7 to 14 after the regular season enter the play-offs 2, with teams ranked 7th, 9th, 12th and 14th entering the group A and teams ranked 8th, 10th, 11th and 13th entering the group B. In each group, each team plays each of its 3 opponents twice. The winner of each group plays the final game in two legs, to determine the winner of the play-offs 2. The winner of the play-offs 2 then plays a home and away game against either the fourth-placed or fifth-placed team from the play-offs 1 for the final Europa League ticket, with the opponent depending on the fact if the Belgian Cup winner ended in the top four of the play-off 1 or not. Team ranked 15th and 16th after the regular season enter the relegation play-off. It consists of 5 games between the 2 teams. The 15th-placed team starts the play-offs with 3 points whereas the 16th-placed team starts from zero. The loser of the relegation play-off is relegated to the second division. The winner of that play-off enters the Belgian Second Division Final Round http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Second_Division_Final_Round with 3 teams from the second division. The winner of this Final Round plays in the First Division the season thereafter. - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
I've grown to like them, despite our appalling record in them. But I'd prefer to see a system that favours the teams that finished higher during the season, like this: Third placed team automatically qualifies for the Wembley final. Sixth plays fifth, with fifth having home advantage. Single game, not two legs. The winner plays fourth, with fourth having home advantage. Single game again . The winner goes to Wembley to play the third-placed team. So the higher you finish, the fewer the number of games you have to play. You could actually extend the playoff qualification down the league using this format, as there would be fewer semi-final games through not having a two-leg format. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
What I want to know is how Torquay (who finished 7th in Div 4 on 68 pts) are in the playoffs, whilst we (7th on 72) are not. _ From: markbu...@aol.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:03:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've grown to like them, despite our appalling record in them. But I'd prefer to see a system that favours the teams that finished higher during the season, like this: Third placed team automatically qualifies for the Wembley final. Sixth plays fifth, with fifth having home advantage. Single game, not two legs. The winner plays fourth, with fourth having home advantage. Single game again . The winner goes to Wembley to play the third-placed team. So the higher you finish, the fewer the number of games you have to play. You could actually extend the playoff qualification down the league using this format, as there would be fewer semi-final games through not having a two-leg format. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
Cos there are 3 automatic promotion places in Div 4 and only 2 in Div 2? Rob Heath wrote What I want to know is how Torquay (who finished 7th in Div 4 on 68 pts) are in the playoffs, whilst we (7th on 72) are not. _ ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
I've been saying this for ages! It's fairer a d more exciting - imagine the 6th placed team going on a proper run and going up? Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2011, at 16:48, Robert Heath rhe...@mis-munich.de wrote: What I want to know is how Torquay (who finished 7th in Div 4 on 68 pts) are in the playoffs, whilst we (7th on 72) are not. _ From: markbu...@aol.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:03:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've grown to like them, despite our appalling record in them. But I'd prefer to see a system that favours the teams that finished higher during the season, like this: Third placed team automatically qualifies for the Wembley final. Sixth plays fifth, with fifth having home advantage. Single game, not two legs. The winner plays fourth, with fourth having home advantage. Single game again . The winner goes to Wembley to play the third-placed team. So the higher you finish, the fewer the number of games you have to play. You could actually extend the playoff qualification down the league using this format, as there would be fewer semi-final games through not having a two-leg format. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
That's almost what the RL do for their championship -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 17 May 2011 16:59 To: Robert Heath Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've been saying this for ages! It's fairer a d more exciting - imagine the 6th placed team going on a proper run and going up? Sent from my iPhone On 17 May 2011, at 16:48, Robert Heath rhe...@mis-munich.de wrote: What I want to know is how Torquay (who finished 7th in Div 4 on 68 pts) are in the playoffs, whilst we (7th on 72) are not. _ From: markbu...@aol.com To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Sent: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:03:22 +0200 Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've grown to like them, despite our appalling record in them. But I'd prefer to see a system that favours the teams that finished higher during the season, like this: Third placed team automatically qualifies for the Wembley final. Sixth plays fifth, with fifth having home advantage. Single game, not two legs. The winner plays fourth, with fourth having home advantage. Single game again . The winner goes to Wembley to play the third-placed team. So the higher you finish, the fewer the number of games you have to play. You could actually extend the playoff qualification down the league using this format, as there would be fewer semi-final games through not having a two-leg format. M ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs?
Well I like watching Cardiff lose 3-0 at home! Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 20:06:03 +0100 From: mick.robin...@miq.com To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com; rhe...@mis-munich.de CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? That's almost what the RL do for their championship -Original Message- From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Ian Murray Sent: 17 May 2011 16:59 To: Robert Heath Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] What do people think of the play-offs? I've been saying this for ages! It's fairer a d more exciting - imagine the 6th placed team going on a proper run and going up? ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
