Re: Name question

[Tim Krause]

I'd like a small desktop cnc so I could help others. There is absolutely no 
reason to bug Andy! Like I said, it's water under the bridge.

On Nov 9, 2022, 5:25 AM, at 5:25 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>I cant help but wonder What If, We remind Andy on his promise?Perhaps
>Legacy could make a Small CNC for Tim. (something that will fit, under
>the kitchen table, when not in use. ) ;-p
>C.A.G.
>On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 06:45:08 AM EST, Tim Ziegler
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>Yup pretty much all one can say at this point. We all know they are big
>into CnC and that machine was the true beginning of it I think. (though
>it would be nice to have one)
>Kind Regards,
>Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston
>MN 56330
>320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
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>On Wed, Nov 9, 2022 at 4:34 AM Tim Krause 
>wrote:
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>I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going
>to use the mill for suporting others. But, I don't think many were
>made. It's all just water under the bridge.
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>TimOn Nov 6, 2022, at 7:31 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
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>Well holy crap Tim Ks mill must be sitting at his front door.
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>Bill
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>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 2:14 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Name question
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>Here you are Bill
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>Kind Regards,
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>Timothy J. Ziegler
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>From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
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>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 1:31 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Name question
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>Yes Andy did promise Tim a mill for all the reasons you stated.  
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>On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 09:18:38 PM EST, M.W.Foscue
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>At the risk of digging up old bones - isn't that the Mill that Legacy
>was going to send Tim K. years ago - in appreciation for all that he
>had done for the Legacy Mill community? 
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>Mac
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>Bill
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>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Dan Krager
>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 2:31 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Name question
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>I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill.  I own what
>the manual calls a "REVO" legacy mill, which the fine print spells out
>as short for "...a revolutionary new design."  
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RE: Name question

[Tim Krause]

I just tripple checked...nope still not here. That's okay, I was going to use 
the mill for suporting others. But, I don't think many were made. It's all just 
water under the bridge.

Tim

On Nov 6, 2022, 7:31 PM, at 7:31 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Well holy crap Tim Ks mill must be sitting at his front door.
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>Bill
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>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 2:14 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Name question
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>Here you are Bill
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>Kind Regards,
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>Timothy J. Ziegler
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>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
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>14171 160th Ave.
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>Foreston MN 56330
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>320-294-5798 shop
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>On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 9:10 PM  > wrote:
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>I have never seen a flying pig lol
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>Bill
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>From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
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>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 1:31 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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>Subject: Re: Name question
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>Hello Mac.
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>YES! and No.
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>Yes Andy did promise Tim a mill for all the reasons you stated.  
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>And No. I have no idea when it will get to him?  (I'm sure it was an
>Honest mistake, and it will arrive any day...) ;-p
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>C.A.G.
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>On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 09:18:38 PM EST, M.W.Foscue
>mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote: 
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>At the risk of digging up old bones - isn't that the Mill that Legacy
>was going to send Tim K. years ago - in appreciation for all that he
>had done for the Legacy Mill community? 
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>Mac
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>This is the evolution mill
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>Bill
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>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
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> > On Behalf Of Dan
>Krager
>Sent: Monday, 7 November 2022 2:31 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills  >
>Subject: Name question
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>I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill.  I own what
>the manual calls a "REVO" legacy mill, which the fine print spells out
>as short for "...a revolutionary new design."  
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>So am I missing something here?
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>DanK
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Re: Name question

[Tim Krause]

This page will clear things up.

https://ornamentalmills.com/history/

-Tim

On Nov 6, 2022, 7:31 AM, at 7:31 AM, Dan Krager  wrote:
>I see several messages about an "Evolution" Legacy Mill.  I own what
>the 
>manual calls a "REVO" legacy mill, which the fine print spells out as
>short 
>for "...a *revolution*ary new design."   
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>So am I missing something here?
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Re: Gears for a model 200

[Tim Krause]

I had to make a cup washer to fix the same problem.


On Oct 13, 2022, 9:07 PM, at 9:07 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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> Hello Everyone.
>You are right Mike. with the pointer and the harts, but My biff with
>this is the gear is It slips badly when reversing the gears (Large gear
>on the acme screw.) for speed of rotation, when large gear is on the
>headstock there is not problems, although the screws leave bad
>scratches on the gear. They could have made something better.
>If I am going to use these gears in this way/method, I will have to
>make a better mounting plate for this gear. 
>Despite a few flaws with this machine, I feel like a Kid at Christmas
>time. I cant wait to get to play with it more...  ;-)
>C.A.G.On Thursday, October 13, 2022 at 01:49:41 PM EDT, Okla Mike
>(Liltwisted)  wrote:  
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>I see now why they did that.  The two round nut plates in the small
>piece will fit into the heart holes.  Then the pointer on the top will
>point to the center of the heart so you will be able to have a positive
>alignment. I <3 this idea. 
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>Mike, OK
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>On 10/12/2022 11:17 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
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>I have "NO" idea why Legacy changed everything for this little machine.
>I think it was a Love/Hate relationship, that was doomed for a
>divorce.  See Photo. ;-) 
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Re: Ignore

[Tim Krause]

No, I was testing email performance. Continue to ignore.

On May 21, 2022, 7:28 PM, at 7:28 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
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>Are you talking about the  three pending member request?  Sure thing. 
>I didn't see them and wont do anything until you say so.
>C.A.G.
>On Saturday, May 21, 2022, 09:30:39 PM EDT, Tim Krause
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>Continue to ignore this post.On May 21, 2022, at 6:27 PM, Tim Krause
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>Please ignore this post.
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Re: Ignore

[Tim Krause]

Continue to ignore this post.

On May 21, 2022, 6:27 PM, at 6:27 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:
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Ignore

[Tim Krause]

Please ignore this post.

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Re: Big wave

[Tim Krause]

Membership participation has traditionally been low. People say they would like 
to know about using their mills, but then never ask a question.  I've not seen 
too much projects posted for a long time. 

Curt and myself have tried some things to get conversation going but nothing 
has worked so far. I started sending personal emails to find if the user is 
still interested in the. It's a much more difficult task than I thought it 
would be.

If you are out there that does not know how to add pictures to the group, send 
the picture to Curt or myself. 

On Mar 3, 2022, 4:29 PM, at 4:29 PM, Jeff Richmond  
wrote:
>I have definitely seen more than 6 different people commenting in this
>group but it depends on the subject as Curt just mentioned. We can all
>learn something, even if it is what not to do, lol. 
>
>Those postings with photos tend to attract more attention. I
>particularly like when an old topic is reposted as it shows the true
>maturity and knowledge gained by the group as a whole and possibly with
>a new spin (Legacy pun intended)
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>My 2022 resolution is to spend more time in the shop making sawdust and
>hopefully some projects to share too.
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>Jeff from Connecticut 
>Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Mar 3, 2022, at 7:27 AM, Tim Ziegler 
>wrote:
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>> I agree Bill more people sure could post. Look at the knowledge they
>could share with us???
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>> 
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
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>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 2:37 AM  wrote:
>>> Love them all curt, so 526 members and only about 6 of us post
>shameful
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> 
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2022 5:13 PM
>>> To: Legacy ornamental mills
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>>> Subject: Big wave
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,  We Now as a group have 526 members.
>>> 
>>> I was just thinking, How many of those new members have not seen
>some of the Legacy inventions that this group has made, 
>>> 
>>> The Wave attachment is one of these tools.  
>>> 
>>> Tim K. took a OT (ornamental turners) tool and re-designed it/
>adapted the idea of this tool, and made it work on the Legacy, Both
>Bill and my-self, Also tried, and made our own, using Tim's concept of
>how it worked. (this was in the early days of this group, and pictures
>were not widely used in our posting, So we did see what Tim did, but
>not how he did it.
>>> 
>>> This is one reason why Tim K, Bill's and My Wave attachments all
>look and perform somewhat differently.
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Last week I was playing around with the wave attachment to make my
>second OT box. 
>>> 
>>> Here are some things that I've made with my wave attachment.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Its a neat tool, If anyone wants to make there own, I would be more
>then glad to talk you though the process.
>>> 
>>> Most wood workers cant figure out how this type of cut was made. Its
>not hard to do, and Its fun being able to do things that others just
>cant figure out.  ;-)
>>> 
>>> If you want to "try" Lets Play!   
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> C.A.G.
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Re: Big wave

[Tim Krause]

I'd like to see that being done. I never intended my TK Reciprocator for 
anything other than round work.

On Mar 3, 2022, 4:16 AM, at 4:16 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hey Curt as always very nice and extremely innovative. Yes I encourage
>all
>of you to take advantage of the guidance to
>build one of these.  They are super cool and I love the extra appeal
>you
>can offer that most can not do. Keep in mind this
>does not just need to apply to round stock. you can do picture frame
>material, boxes, flag displays. etc the idea's are
>endless. the adjustments and spacing is in the eyes of the operator so
>unlimited.
>Again a 3D pattern basically no one else can duplicate on a traditional
>lathe like we can on our LOM's
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
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>On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:12 AM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,  We Now as a group have 526 members.
>> I was just thinking, How many of those new members have not seen some
>of
>> the Legacy inventions that this group has made,
>> The Wave attachment is one of these tools.
>> Tim K. took a OT (ornamental turners) tool and re-designed it/
>adapted the
>> idea of this tool, and made it work on the Legacy, Both Bill and
>my-self,
>> Also tried, and made our own, using Tim's concept of how it worked.
>(this
>> was in the early days of this group, and pictures were not widely
>used in
>> our posting, So we did see what Tim did, but not how he did it.
>> This is one reason why Tim K, Bill's and My Wave attachments all look
>and
>> perform somewhat differently.
>>
>> Last week I was playing around with the wave attachment to make my
>second
>> OT box.
>> Here are some things that I've made with my wave attachment.
>>
>> Its a neat tool, If anyone wants to make there own, I would be more
>then
>> glad to talk you though the process.
>> Most wood workers cant figure out how this type of cut was made. Its
>not
>> hard to do, and Its fun being able to do things that others just cant
>> figure out.  ;-)
>> If you want to "try" Lets Play!
>>
>> C.A.G.
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Re: For Sale Older mill Steel rail 84" turning capacity

[Tim Krause]

Joe was a member on our original Yahoo Groups site. That goes back in time for 
sure.

On Feb 19, 2022, 8:30 AM, at 8:30 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>"Hay" Ive seen that old "Steely" before!  Note the chain drive just off
>the headstock (just before the pillow blocks.) 
>If the price is fair, this machine would be a very nice up-grade to
>linear
>rails,https://www.amazon.com/OrangeA-16-2000mm-4SBR16UU-Bearing-Bearings/dp/B07DCV98HL/ref=sr_1_11_sspa?crid=3PQ3L55YUJGSB=16mm+linear+rails=1645287830=16mm+linear+rails%2Caps%2C85=8-11-spons=1=A28BP3VDRMYQVO=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVk1IRk9DODVHNzlaJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODYyMzUyMU9DRDA1QVBHVVM4MSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTIxOTk5Mlo5MVU5T0RVRTdJRSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
>  
>that would give it more stability, far better movement, Larger size
>for  turning, plus the MT-2 adaptors that are already there, for using
>wood lathe adaptors and tools. This machine could be brought back to
>life for... not a lot of money, and a little elbow grease. ;-)
>I think this machine is a Diamond in the rough.
>Having said that, I have not looked at the sale statement, If all the
>gears are there and any extra's are added in, This machine could be a
>"Sweat Deal"! for the right person.
>C.A.G.
>On Thursday, February 17, 2022, 06:46:28 PM EST, Joe Gassen
> wrote:  
> 
> 
>For sale in North Alabama ( Athens) Steel rail unit with motor drive
>system. $600 . Several router bits included,
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Re: LOM 1800 Capabilities

[Tim Krause]

That's in a city that would be a couple of hours to get too. The wife would not 
be happy with me!

Joking aside, that is a really good deal.

On Feb 16, 2022, 9:39 AM, at 9:39 AM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>Great deal for the price. With the harddrive failure, it would be tough
>to
>get it working because those files are pretty critical. I have mine
>working
>with the latest Mach3, but that is for the performance upgrade not the
>Standard. The config files would be critical to make this viable.
>
>If I lived closer, I would snatch it up in a second and it would be a
>fun
>project. If push comes to shove, I know this group would find the parts
>valuable.
>
>Tracy
>
>On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:04 PM Tim Ziegler 
>wrote:
>
>> great advice Jeff and yes lots of weight in what he wants it for.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:02 PM Jeff Richmond
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish but that will be pretty hard to hide in the corner of the
>garage,
>>> next to the other two legacy’s, lol.
>>>
>>> All kidding aside, the CNC Performance upgrade from Legacy was well
>over
>>> that cost originally and would be a good investment if this is still
>>> operational and was a somewhat local pickup.
>>>
>>> This model had extra length capacity but was still a fairly light
>duty
>>> model (300-400 Lbs machine weight) when compared to a 2000 or 2200
>model
>>>  (1200 Lbs machine weight).
>>>
>>> Not sure what wax weighs for glass work but as someone stated the
>>> headstock and tailstock receives the brunt of the force so bearings
>are
>>> recommended to minimize wear.
>>>
>>> My two cents…
>>>
>>> Jeff from Connecticut
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Tim Ziegler 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Yes it is super clean too. Be right up your alley Jeff.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:34 PM Jeff Richmond
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, great price for a machine of that capability even if it was
>only
 manual.

 Jeff from Connecticut
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 15, 2022, at 9:51 PM, Pancakes 
>wrote:

 Thank you all for your advice.

 Here's the machine:

>https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/d/diamond-legacy-ornamental-mill-1800-cnc/7441234512.html

 The owner doesn't seem to know much about it. They mentioned they
>picked
 it up off the original owner and never used it for it's intended
>purpose.
 Looks to be fairly complete though clearly a bit neglected.

 However, as you can see the price is very tempting. I'm cross
>shopping
 this with buying an Avid CNC with rotary axis (only other cnc
>rotary that
 i've found that can handle the dimensions I'm looking to mill). The
>Avid
 solution works out to well over $12k - the potential to use the LOM
>and
 save thousands is appealing.


 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 7:49:35 AM UTC-8
>timjz...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> excellent advice Tracy.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Timothy J. Ziegler
> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
> 14171 160th Ave.
> Foreston MN 56330
>
> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop
> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell
>
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tracy Smith 
>wrote:
>
>> I have the LOM 1200 with the Performance CNC upgrade. I've loved
>it!
>>
>> However, I'm a computer guy and there is no way I would recommend
>> buying one of these without seeing it work and making sure all
>the basics
>> are operational. There is very little support for these machines
>and unless
>> you have access to someone or have skills to address it yourself,
>It's a
>> major risk in my opinion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 11:18 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I think the lom works ok with larger dia work just fine but
>obviously
>>> just takes longer due to surface area.
>>>
>>> I cant comment on the cnc side of things as I have not had
>anything
>>> to do with it but I’m sure
>>>
>>> Some of the other members will chime in with opinions on this.
>>>
>>> The only pitfalls with loms is making sure you get all the gears
>and
>>> extras but if you’re going cnc then they are not necessary. With
>larger
>>> work I would try and make sure your mill has ball bearing head
>and tail
>>> stock because the constant weight of your larger work will wear
>out the
>>> Delrin bushes quicker.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Pancakes
>>> *Sent:* 

Re: What is the Acme Nut Size for the LOM?

[Tim Krause]

Typo, it should be https://www.dependableacme.com/

On Dec 12, 2021, 1:26 PM, at 1:26 PM, Tim Krause  wrote:
>Dependibleacme.com is the only source I've ever com across for the
>screw and nuts. 
>
>I've also printed an acme nut that will work on the machines that have
>aluminum rails. I'm still in the testing phase.
>
>On Dec 12, 2021, 12:47 PM, at 12:47 PM, Tim Ziegler
> wrote:
>>Curt someone had a web sight just last week or so on acme thread rod
>>and
>>nuts to match.
>>Who was that???
>>Kind Regards,
>>
>>Timothy J. Ziegler
>>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>14171 160th Ave.
>>Foreston MN 56330
>>
>>320-294-5798 shop
>>320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:53 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>>Mills <
>>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello John.
>>> Welcome to the group.
>>>
>>> I own a acmes tap that can cut the 5/8"X 4 thread for you. then all
>>you
>>> would need to do it cut the part to shape and add a locking screw
>for
>>the
>>> slide.
>>>
>>> I made my own home made tap for the Legacy a while back, I took a
>>short
>>> piece of the acme screw and then cut recesses in the screw /cutting
>>edges
>>> and tapered the end to make a starting tap.  Its not as nice as the
>>tap I
>>> bought, but for the price, My home made tap cost me appx. 2hrs of
>>time, my
>>> factory tap. cost me a LOT More... ;-p
>>> I also own a Wood Chuck carriage, where it works on a 5/8-4 steel
>>nut.
>>> I've not tried to find any solid nuts, but I would think if you can
>>find
>>> them, then the steel nut can be cut and made into a split nut, with
>>out
>>> much troubles.
>>> Just an idea.
>>>
>>> Have a good night.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 11:20:29 PM EST, John Gonzo <
>>> jgwoodwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, I'm new to the group and this information is useful, I am
>looking
>>for
>>> extra split nuts. I was hoping to get a 3D STL File to put on a 3D
>>printer
>>> but it looks like I'm going to have to find a CAD guy. The 5/8-4tpi
>>helps
>>> Thank You!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:25:22 AM UTC-7 Curt George wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Tim
>>>
>>> 5/8x4 is correct. its not an easy find, Legacy still sells them.  I
>>know
>>> some in our group also have bought some 5/8x4 acme screw taps, ( I
>>own one)
>>> I bought it off E-bay, when there were on sale not to long ago.
>>>
>>> Delrin is cheap and easy to both find and work with. if you want
>>parts
>>> made it easy to do your self.
>>>
>>> Woops! I see Bill replied.  and I agree...
>>> Its ALWAYS easer to take care of what you have and make it last,
>>rather
>>> then it is to buy what you will need ,because the parts will ware
>out
>>fast
>>> if you don't take care of what you have.
>>>
>>> C.A.G.
>>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 01:54:02 AM EDT, Tim Petersen <
>>> tj.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I tried a search for the information I am after but to no avail.
>>> I have hobbled on a DC treadmill motor and KB controller to my LOM.
>>> Works well enough but I do not want to wear through the original
>>Legacy
>>> split nut.
>>> What I am getting is the LOM uses a 5/8"-4 acme thread.  McMaster
>>carries
>>> a 5/8"-5 it appears but no 4P.
>>>
>>> Am I misreading something or what?
>>>
>>> Any help would be great and thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> -Tim
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Re: What is the Acme Nut Size for the LOM?

[Tim Krause]

Dependibleacme.com is the only source I've ever com across for the screw and 
nuts. 

I've also printed an acme nut that will work on the machines that have aluminum 
rails. I'm still in the testing phase.

On Dec 12, 2021, 12:47 PM, at 12:47 PM, Tim Ziegler  
wrote:
>Curt someone had a web sight just last week or so on acme thread rod
>and
>nuts to match.
>Who was that???
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 10:53 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello John.
>> Welcome to the group.
>>
>> I own a acmes tap that can cut the 5/8"X 4 thread for you. then all
>you
>> would need to do it cut the part to shape and add a locking screw for
>the
>> slide.
>>
>> I made my own home made tap for the Legacy a while back, I took a
>short
>> piece of the acme screw and then cut recesses in the screw /cutting
>edges
>> and tapered the end to make a starting tap.  Its not as nice as the
>tap I
>> bought, but for the price, My home made tap cost me appx. 2hrs of
>time, my
>> factory tap. cost me a LOT More... ;-p
>> I also own a Wood Chuck carriage, where it works on a 5/8-4 steel
>nut.
>> I've not tried to find any solid nuts, but I would think if you can
>find
>> them, then the steel nut can be cut and made into a split nut, with
>out
>> much troubles.
>> Just an idea.
>>
>> Have a good night.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 11:20:29 PM EST, John Gonzo <
>> jgwoodwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi, I'm new to the group and this information is useful, I am looking
>for
>> extra split nuts. I was hoping to get a 3D STL File to put on a 3D
>printer
>> but it looks like I'm going to have to find a CAD guy. The 5/8-4tpi
>helps
>> Thank You!
>>
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 6:25:22 AM UTC-7 Curt George wrote:
>>
>> Hello Tim
>>
>> 5/8x4 is correct. its not an easy find, Legacy still sells them.  I
>know
>> some in our group also have bought some 5/8x4 acme screw taps, ( I
>own one)
>> I bought it off E-bay, when there were on sale not to long ago.
>>
>> Delrin is cheap and easy to both find and work with. if you want
>parts
>> made it easy to do your self.
>>
>> Woops! I see Bill replied.  and I agree...
>> Its ALWAYS easer to take care of what you have and make it last,
>rather
>> then it is to buy what you will need ,because the parts will ware out
>fast
>> if you don't take care of what you have.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>> On Thursday, May 27, 2021, 01:54:02 AM EDT, Tim Petersen <
>> tj.pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I tried a search for the information I am after but to no avail.
>> I have hobbled on a DC treadmill motor and KB controller to my LOM.
>> Works well enough but I do not want to wear through the original
>Legacy
>> split nut.
>> What I am getting is the LOM uses a 5/8"-4 acme thread.  McMaster
>carries
>> a 5/8"-5 it appears but no 4P.
>>
>> Am I misreading something or what?
>>
>> Any help would be great and thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Tim
>>
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Re: Gear alignment

[Tim Krause]

Can you take a wider view that shows the entire drive chain.  My guess is that 
the gear on the leadscrew is wobbling. Take a look the next time turning to 
confirm or deny what is going on.

On Oct 22, 2021, 9:30 PM, at 9:30 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
> Hello .Welcome to the group.
>Some was not paying enough attention to the machine, I would recommend
>that you take the gear directional changer apart and switch the plate
>so the warn part in on the inside/ not noticeable. (Your machines
>damage is just cosmetic, but WOW! that muse have made an awful
>racket.)From what I can see, all looks good, the linkage can move/ some
>slop in the banjo, that could cause some binding, but I have never run
>into something that would chew the alignment plate up like what I see
>on your photo.Now I am assuming that you have a motor drive on your
>Legacy? If your gears or any parts on the Legacy seem to be very hard
>to move then there may be a big problem. Like I said the banjo is made
>to move for the gears adjustment, but there are also bushings that
>slide over the headstock shaft and the acme screw. It is possible that
>the banjo was shifted to far away from the machine, making the drive
>gear rub on the  ligament plate.This is called a REAL Learning curve.
>My best advice is to watch and see what and how your machine is
>working, and if it doesn't feel/look right, then double check it,
>before any more damage can be done.
>Please let us know what you see/find out.  Is one is a new problem that
>I have not run into my self. I would like to know what you see/find
>out.Wish you luck.
>C.A.G.
>On Friday, October 22, 2021, 11:59:50 PM EDT, B G
> wrote:  
> 
>Hi all,First post here and trying to get some help on my Legacy gear
>alignment.   New machine to me and I see wear indicating alignment
>issues.  I'm wondering if I can get some pointers and/or pictures on
>what the gear and spacer stack should include to address?
>Thanks in advance!
>
>
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Re: test

[Tim Krause]

Ignored!

On Oct 16, 2021, 11:59 PM, at 11:59 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Just doing a test to see if my emails are getting out please ignore 
>
> 
>
>Bill
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Re: Requested photos

[Tim Krause]

Hi Jack, 

I am the keeper of the library for the group.  I'm also the only one that has 
been authorized to distribute the Legacy's training information. I'm setup to 
convert vhs to dvd.

-Tim

On Oct 14, 2021, 9:45 PM, at 9:45 PM, Jack Terry  wrote:
>Legacy operational videos 
>If anyone is interested I have two Video tapes one on the Legacy Design
>Kit and the other the Picture Frame Video.  I also have a two CD
>training video. The CD is circa 2004.  Would be glad to send the Video
>tapes to the group if there is interest 
>FYI I have a model 1200 which I acquired new circa 2004
>
>Jack Terry
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 13, 2021, at 12:46 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ok Scott send me a pm to my email and I will see what I can do
>>  
>> Bill
>>  
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Scott Gauze
>> Sent: Wednesday, 13 October 2021 3:48 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Requested photos
>>  
>> Does any one know where to find any operation videos for legacy 
>> 
>> Sent from Scott Gauze
>> 1-606-624-7082
>> sga...@foothills.net
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:27 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you I don’t know about others in the group but I for one would
>definatly like a scanned copy Of the manual please send it to
>bulke...@mmnet.com.au also this one looks interesting
>> 
>> too if that’s ok
>> Bill
>>  
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Ohl, Chad
>> Sent: Sunday, 10 October 2021 10:15 AM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Requested photos
>>  
>> Yes it is the user manual
>> I will look at taking a better photo
>> I also could look at scanning it if this group has a library for
>others as well
>> 
>> On Saturday, October 9, 2021,  wrote:
>> Chad I have a question for you out of the pictures you posted is this
>your user manual?
>> 
>> I have not seen one for that model accept online pics and they are
>only the inside not the cover. If it is would it be possible please to
>take a nice clear pic of the cover and post it on the group for me.
>>  
>> Bill
>>  
>> From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Chad Ohl
>> Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2021 11:52 AM
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
>> Subject: Requested photos
>>  
>> Hey group members
>> These are photos of the mill I have recently obtained
>> I really appreciate the info that has already been shared.  
>> Hopefully I have all the parts to create a couple table legs, I have
>the walnut from the family farm milled up and itching to become parts
>and man glitter
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Re: eccentric goblet

[Tim Krause]

Where did you get the rosette pattern?

On Oct 10, 2021, 3:57 AM, at 3:57 AM, Ccm Ccm  wrote:
>Bill, that is very innovative work
>
>On Saturday, October 9, 2021,  wrote:
>
>> This is hardly legacy, only one little bit done on the rotary table
>I’m
>> not at all happy how it turned out I almost didn’t upload this video
>at all
>> I think its firewood defiantly not one of me best projects but good
>or bad
>> I do videos and I never say they are good videos lol
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IHixJPj-txE
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
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RE: New to me 1500 EX

[Tim Krause]

I'll take care of Chad with training materials and machine identification. 

Thanks for looking out for me.

On Oct 5, 2021, 9:53 PM, at 9:53 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Chad welcome
>
>have you got the user manual for your 1500 EX ?
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Chad Ohl
>Sent: Wednesday, 6 October 2021 6:16 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: New to me 1500 EX
>
> 
>
>yep I am new and he has reached out
>
>I am inventorying everything I have for the mill
>
>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 12:36:13 AM UTC-5 Va Oak wrote:
>
>Chad,
>
> 
>
>Welcome to The Group.  (I have not seen you posting here before - so am
>assuming you are "new".)
>
> 
>
>Looking at your email address - I'll make an assumption that you are in
>"Minnie-Soda".
>
>If so, where abouts?  One of our reliable contributors/commenters to
>this Group is from The Land of 10,000 Lakes as well.  Foreston is the
>nearby "city".  His name if Tim Ziegler - I'm sure you will "hear" from
>him within ~24 hours on this thread.
>
> 
>
>You will enjoy your newly acquired Legacy Ornamental Mill (LOM or
>"Mill").
>
>Mac
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From:  >
>Sent: Oct 4, 2021 1:40 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills  >
>Subject: New to me 1500 EX
>
>
>I have my grandfather 1500EX, I an wondering if anyone has a spare copy
>of the basic video they would be willing to share? 
>
> 
>
>Chad Ohl
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Re: Re Group security

[Tim Krause]

Hello Brigitte,

Can you forward three or four of the messages to artsco...@gmail.com. 

On Aug 8, 2021, 2:41 AM, at 2:41 AM, Brigitte Graham 
 wrote:
>Bill, Tim K
>Thanks!
>Like I said, I am quite capable of just deleting these unwanted emails.
>I am more concerned about how they got my details, and I am guessing
>that
>it might have been through our LOM group, because it is my only contact
>with anyone from the USA.
>Cheers
>Brigitte
>
>On Sun, 8 Aug 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:
>
>> Tim K said to tell you he is going to look into it Brigitte,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brigitte
>Graham
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 August 2021 8:05 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills
>
>> *Subject:* Re: Re Group security
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> Thanks for that
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 7 Aug 2021 at 10:30,  wrote:
>>
>> No problem Brigitte I will forward your email to Tim K.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brigitte
>Graham
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 7 August 2021 7:16 PM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills
>
>> *Subject:* Re Group security
>>
>>
>>
>> Morning/Afternoon People,
>>
>> I am a little worried that the group's security has been breached.
>>
>> Here in the UK, I am getting lots of emails from USA insurance/home
>> security firms pushing me to install one of their systems. I know I
>can
>> (and do) just delete the emails. The only contact I have with USA is
>> through this group, so I am assuming that our LOM group has been
>> infiltrated?
>>
>> Please could someone check this out?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brigitte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: New to Legacy Mill, where do I start?

[Tim Krause]

Can you take a photo of the machine you have. 

Tim

On Jul 31, 2021, 7:32 PM, at 7:32 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hey Chris,
>
>There are lots of guys that will help you. Mike, Curt, Bill Mac, and a
>couple others out there that post too.
>I've been learning them and have only been owner of this fine machinery
>a
>few short years, but
>willing to share everything I know. You get the fever and it will stay
>lol.
>will talk more I'm sure
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 31, 2021 at 4:45 PM Chris Smith 
>wrote:
>
>> I purchased a Legacy Mill (1100 I think) with a motor drive several
>years
>> ago.  I made a couple of things but then put it aside.  When my
>friend
>> asked me to help him sell the one he bought at an estate sale it got
>me
>> interested again.  The problem is I feel lost.  Any clues on the best
>way
>> to learn to use it?  What router bits should I definitely have and
>what are
>> nice to have?
>>
>> I am a turner and would like to incorporate the mill into my
>turnings,
>> maybe carving some spirals into a vessel or bowl?  Is there a way to
>search
>> this group to see what others have made to get some ideas?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Chris
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RE: Measuring Tapes - L to R and R to L reading

[Tim Krause]

The ruler is 14" long.  7" both side.  It's designed for the y axis. The big 
difference between my ruler and others is mine is 1/16th" increments. It was 
designed with the Incra racks in mind so you could get a repeatable location 
everytime.  It was a simple bolt on accessory.

On Jan 30, 2020, 2:13 PM, at 2:13 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Tim,
>
>
>Sorry - I was not being negative about the length of your tape.
>
>
>It looked to be about 16(?)" on either side of the Zero - less than 3'
>total. (I figured that was as large as you made it for your project and
>that was all the length that Curtis needed.   Or, it was longer - but
>since Curtis needed less, he cut it down.) 
>
>
>I went back and re-read the post (couldn't find the photo Curtis
>posted) and then realized he needed it for the Y-Axis.  In my mind I
>was thinking he wanted it for the X-Axis.
>
>How long are yours?  (The amount either side of zero if a "Centering
>tape" or length if you make them in either L to R and R to L layout?)
>
>I'm asking in case you still have/make them and maybe some Group
>Members may be looking for one/some.
>
>Have a Terrific Thursday!
>
>Mac
>_
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: artmarb...@comcast.net 
>Sent: Jan 30, 2020 4:26 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: Measuring Tapes - L to R and R to L reading 
>
>My custom rule is not too short.  It’s the amount of a stock mill.
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of MWF
>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 11:51 AM
>To: Legacy Goog Group 
>Subject: Measuring Tapes - L to R and R to L reading
>
> 
>
>Curtis, A week or so ago you asked about measuring tapes - and Tim was
>kind enough to gift you one (You deserved it.)
>
> 
>
>I just came across these - they are in an email I received from
>Woodcraft.
>
>Check them out.  (The one from Tim is somewhat short.  Perhaps that's
>all you needed.)  
>
>Not sure how long you needed - but these are in the 12" to 16' range.
>
>If you don't need them, I am sure other Group members will.
>
> 
>
>Measuring Tapes:  L to R and R to L
>
> 
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Mac
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RE: Legacy assembly manuals

[Tim Krause]

Some one asked about my history page. It can be found here:

https://ornamentalmills.com/history/

On Jan 2, 2020, 4:45 PM, at 4:45 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>You got it mac tim does more than enough without him we wouldn’t exist
>here
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of MWF
>Sent: Friday, 3 January 2020 9:42 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Legacy assembly manuals
>
> 
>
>Bill,
>
>You are "Spot on" (as Richard and friends would say back in "The
>Kingdom" ("Queendom") re: the reason Tim is the "Keeper of the Docs".
>
>I am sure Tim has MORE than enuf to do just keeping The Group's Google
>presence on-line, monitored, and orderly - and replying to our requests
>for docs, info, etc.
>
>(I know you were joking about "keeping Tim bust - and out of trouble.)
>
>Have a wonderful weekend.
>
>Mac
>
>  _  
>
>  _  
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>  
>Sent: Jan 2, 2020 4:44 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
>Subject: RE: Legacy assembly manuals 
>
>
>
>
>My guess is legacy copyright,  the manuals still belong to them and
>they have authorised only Tim K to distribute them to us but I could be
>wrong. Besides we got to give Tim something to do lol 
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tim
>Ziegler
>Sent: Friday, 3 January 2020 6:05 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: Legacy assembly manuals
>
> 
>
>Tim Just a question but: is there any reason why these manual's can not
>be made available on the Forum? 
>
>At some point someone else will need to have access say 10-20 years
>from now?
>
>
>Kind Regards,
>
> 
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
>14171 160th Ave.
>
>Foreston MN 56330
>
> 
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
> 
>
>On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 11:48 AM Tim Krause <mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net> > wrote:
>
>I'm the only authorized member that can distribute the manual.  Make a
>request to me at artmarb...@comcast.net <mailto:artmarb...@comcast.net>
>and I will take care of you. Obviously I'll need to know which machine
>you own.
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>Happy New Year!
>
>On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:14 AM, MWF <mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
>
>If I interpreted his "offer" correctly he'll post them where you can
>download them (like in DropBox).  
>
>If you want them, you save them to your computer or print them out on
>your home/office printer.
>
>So "cost" will only be your time and cost of paper & ink if you print
>them.
>
> 
>
>Paul, Am I correct in my assumption?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mac
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Ray Leaman 
>Sent: Dec 13, 2019 12:07 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>  
>Subject: Re: Legacy assembly manuals 
>
>I'd also be interested.  Will you post the particulars as to how this
>can happen (i.e., cost, etc.)?
>
> 
>
>On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 2:19 AM MWF <mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
>
>Paul,
>
>I'm interested in seeing the scan of the "Z-Axis Assembly Manual".
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mac
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Richmond <4pea...@gmail.com <mailto:4pea...@gmail.com> >
>Sent: Dec 13, 2019 1:49 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Legacy assembly manuals
>
>I’ve found the original assembly manual to my 1200 as well as the Z
>axis assembly manual. Is there any interest in my scanning and posting
>them?
>
>About 60 pages all together.
>
>Paul
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Re: Legacy assembly manuals

[Tim Krause]

I'm the only authorized member that can distribute the manual.  Make a request 
to me at artmarb...@comcast.net and I will take care of you. Obviously I'll 
need to know which machine you own.

Happy New Year!

On Dec 13, 2019, 9:14 AM, at 9:14 AM, MWF  wrote:
>If I interpreted his "offer" correctly he'll post them where you can
>download them (like in DropBox).  
>
>If you want them, you save them to your computer or print them out on
>your home/office printer.
>
>So "cost" will only be your time and cost of paper & ink if you print
>them.
>
>
>Paul, Am I correct in my assumption?
>
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mac
>_
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Ray Leaman 
>Sent: Dec 13, 2019 12:07 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: Re: Legacy assembly manuals 
>
>I'd also be interested.  Will you post the particulars as to how this
>can happen (i.e., cost, etc.)?
>
>
>On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 2:19 AM MWF  wrote:
>
>Paul,
>
>I'm interested in seeing the scan of the "Z-Axis Assembly Manual".
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mac
>_
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Paul Richmond <4pea...@gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 13, 2019 1:49 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Legacy assembly manuals
>
>I’ve found the original assembly manual to my 1200 as well as the Z
>axis assembly manual. Is there any interest in my scanning and posting
>them?
>
>About 60 pages all together.
>
>Paul
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Re: Legacy 200 for sale on ebay

[Tim Krause]

I was bidding on this earlier.  It jumped up really quik.

On Nov 24, 2019, 10:12 AM, at 10:12 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
>No posts on this, so here’s the info... Legacy 200 for sale on eBay,
>with a “buy it now” price of $300... seems a reasonable price... it has
>a bidding price of $286, and why that person doesn’t go the extra $14
>is a bit puzzling to me... the seller does state that it is for “parts
>or repair “, but states that it just needs a “hub”... what he means by
>that is anyone’s guess... but at the price, it seems to be an excellent
>purchase... and I seem to remember that someone posted that they were
>looking for a 200... well, here you go... best of luck if a group
>member buys it... Joe Biunno 
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Re: Z carriage & plunge Router

[Tim Krause]

The z axis is made for the porter-cable 7518. I think the body was 4.2 inches. 
I never heard of any other mounting option.  Personally I like the idea of 
using a 3.5 inch diameter body. There is a much larger options available. I 
really like the bosch 1617. 



On Nov 23, 2019, 5:45 PM, at 5:45 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
> Neat idea Bill
>I'm not sure that's possible, but I do like the idea... ;-)
>If my memory serves me correctly, the Z axis was made with the Porter
>Cable Router in mind.  With-out a true measurement, I can not be sure, 
>I would think most standard routers (appx. 3 1/2" body) will fit onto
>the Z axis.
>I will do some research and get back to you on this topic.
>C.A.G.
>
>
>On Saturday, November 23, 2019, 07:49:01 PM EST,
> wrote:  
> 
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>Just get a 10mm  thick aluminium  right angle the width of your z axis
>and bolt it on and bolt the router to it and there you go you could
>even have it tilting if you wanted .
>
>  
>
>Bill
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
>Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2019 12:08 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Z carriage & plunge Router
>
>  
>
>I have a Z attachment that came with my 900 , but no router. I would
>like to fit a 1/2 inch plunge router ,,i:e Triton ,Dewalt  or suchlike
>. to it.
>
> Or would it be best to look for a spindle router,as on CNC machines
>
>Richard
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Re: Extending a Legacy, one method link

[Tim Krause]

With 80/20 you would order the 15 series. The head and tail stock tabs need to 
be trimmed down to fit. I would suggest only filing the top tabs so you can 
keep things close to level.

On Sep 5, 2019, 4:51 AM, at 4:51 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>Good morning everyone.Tim If your unit needs rails for a bigger job.
>you can take form the bottom two rails like I did to make your machine
>longer.  Or as Tim K already stated, 80/20 rail will also work for the
>center rails. (only a slight modifications will be needed for your
>tail-stock and head-stock)
>C.A.G. 
>On Thursday, September 5, 2019, 07:34:30 AM EDT, Tim Ziegler
> wrote:  
> 
>perfect thanks. Now if the legacy north of me was a better price I"d
>have some extra rails.
>Kind Regards,
>Timothy J. ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston
>MN 56330
>320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell
>
>On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:05 PM Tim  wrote:
>
>Found it.
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/legacy-ornamental-mills/ccm/legacy-ornamental-mills/fq8wwZocMXw/6h3yIYh4h8QJ
>This was Rogers machine.
>Tim
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Re: Fine Pitches

[Tim Krause]

One of the more fun projects was combining two 900s. The man's name was Begat. 
He's no longer a member unfortunately,  but I'm pretty sure it was documented 
here. I could not find it doing a quick search.  

No, I don't have a list of stuff I've offered in the past and for the moment I 
don't have anything for sale, so that's easy!

There are a couple techniques you can do to extend your mill. Curt did one and 
Roger (CCM) did one. The short version is you can do 1/2 of the work and 
extended one end of the work out the end. Then you flip the work and finish it. 
80/20 can  be used for the inner rails with a small modification. Any way, it's 
in the old messages.

A long time ago I was collecting and editing the great posts and keeping them 
on ornamentalmills.com.  Health again stopped that in 2013, but I'm actively 
working on that along with over 1000 images to post, 400 of them never seen 
before.

Tim

On Sep 4, 2019, 11:31 AM, at 11:31 AM, Tim Ziegler  
wrote:
>thanks Tim.
>Yes I agree I have bought several items from Legacy direct and would
>not go
>against good old common respect.
>so in order to see the pix we would have to go through all the posts
>then?
>I would like to see the list of parts you have and do offer?
>I really wish rail extensions we available.
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 11:38 AM artmarbles 
>wrote:
>
>> I don't really have any pictures. My setup was like Bill's. The only
>> difference is I made my sprockets from .120 laser cut steel.
>>
>> I've fabricated a pretty wide range of items for the late model
>machines,
>> but mostly designed for the model 900. Tools for leveling the bed
>easily,
>> two inch taller legs to max out the turning radius to those off the
>1800,
>> custom gears, a quick change direction changer, a reciprocator,
>custom
>> index plates and the latest is a new headstock and tail stock for the
>> revo.  I don't have a catalog, but all items have been shown I. The
>group
>> at one point.
>>
>> Health problems cut me down in 2012 so I've had to stop building
>custom
>> items. I'm working my way back to being able to offer legacy
>components.
>>
>> One thing I've never done is making anything that legacy makes. We
>need to
>> support the mothership for as long as they help support us.
>>
>> I would love to see all the new people show what they are doing than
>> seeing new messages from the core guys like me, Mike, curt, and bill
>etc.
>>
>> Thanks for the questions and comments.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung tablet
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Tim Ziegler 
>> Date: 9/4/19 3:48 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Fine Pitches
>>
>> Tim where you down loading a pic or attaching the link to it?
>> I've heard your quite an innovator. The others have spoken highly of
>you.
>> I think for you guys that have been at this a while could post a pic
>or so
>> a week
>> of different innovations you've done would be a great inspiration and
>get
>> us
>> LOM newbies as well as the seasoned ones like your self motivated to
>try
>> new areas.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:45 AM Tim  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know if I ever showed what I did with #25 chain.  I made my
>own
>>> sprockets and keyed them to the drive spindle and lead screw. It
>worked
>>> great.  Lots of wisdom in the old post for sure. We were all younger
>and
>>> more ambitious!
>>>
>>> Tim
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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[Tim Krause]

I'm sitting in my lazyboy recliner right now and thinking about adding more 
amplitude. It would be possible to increase the travel of the twist by 
relocating the location of the connection on the index plate. So instead of 
mounting the connecting arm on the 4" diameter, make a arm that extends the 
location to say a 8" or 12" location.  That way the spindle will twist more for 
the amount of offset.  It was something I did not include in the original 
design nor did I try it out, but I've seen a couple of Reciprocators that use 
this technique.  

Good luck and I hope you try this out Richard.

On Aug 30, 2019, 4:18 AM, at 4:18 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hey thanks for that and good to see someone up at the same time as me.
>lol
>I have a bunch of spindles to get done today on my lathe but if time
>permits this evening I'm going
>to start studying this more. Thanks for sharing.
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:05 AM Richard Ellis 
>wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim & Timothy
>> All interesting stuff.
>> When I did my latest as shown in the pic
>>  I measured the distance of the wave peak to peak,, it was 2.5
>inches.
>> After doing the first three runs. I returned the carriage back to the
>> start by ( crank handle ) Then I wound the carriage forward 6 turns
>of the
>> crank handle. ---Next I disconnected the leadscrew nut and pushed the
>> carriage back to the start position,,, re-connected the nut and did
>the
>> remaing three cuts.
>> All good practice and fun
>> Richard
>>
>> On Friday, August 30, 2019 at 11:47:26 AM UTC+1, Tim Ziegler wrote:
>>>
>>> Seeing all this Wave, now I'm going to have to figure out how to do
>that.
>>> And of course build the attachment.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 2:30 AM Tim  wrote:
>>>




 Personally, I like it.  You want to increase the amplitude, but by
>how
 much?  I’ll take a look at some possibilities that would give you
>90°
 travel of the spindle.  It would only be able to be used on longer
>pitches.



 If Bill nows already how much offset is needed, he could save me
>some
 time 

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Re: Round 2: Woodchuck for sale

[Tim Krause]

I'll delete the thread if this is a done deal. It really does not have much 
historical value except it's hard to even give away a woodchuck!   I'm 
shedding a little teardrop right now.


On Aug 30, 2019, 7:13 AM, at 7:13 AM, Rick Waters  wrote:
>Awesome!  Thank you Steve!
>I think we can put these threads to bed now.
>
>On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:58 AM Steve Drake  wrote:
>
>> I have already arranged with the auctioneer and my work to pick it up
>on
>> Tuesday morning.   Thanks Rick for the chance.   Bill, contact me
>privately
>> if you are needing some parts or something.   I'm in the DC area if
>that
>> helps.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 11:51:59 AM UTC-4, Rick Waters wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, Steve Drake has expressed an interest also.
>>> I'm not too concerned as to who gets it, rather that it doesn't wind
>up
>>> in a dumpster.
>>> Steve, can you chime in as to if you are going to be able to pick it
>up?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:47 AM 'Bill Hallow' via Legacy Ornamental
>>> Mills  wrote:
>>>
 Rick,
If it’s not already spoken for I would like to have it.   I live
 close enough to York for it to be an easy pick it up.  I will be in
>York on
 September 16 which will be the most convenient time for me to pick
>it up,
 but if necessary I could make a separate trip next week to pick it
>up.
Bill Hallow


 On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 05:07:15 PM EDT, Ray Leaman <
 vie...@gmail.com> wrote:


 OK.  Thanks.  I'll pass.

 On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:01:03 PM UTC-4, Rick Waters wrote:

 OK, so I won that auction, where the "flutter" (LOL) or more
 appropriately, the Woodchuck, was for sale on IRS Auctions.  I got
>it for a
 steal, $50.  $72 total, with tax and stuff.  But, I'm not sure why
>I
 thought it was located in Indian, but I did.  It's actually in
>York, PA.

 It's going to cost way too much for me to go to York, pick it up
>and
 transport it back.  Also, it's not worth it to pay someone to
>package it up
 and ship it.

 So...  It may be your lucky day!  If you are near enough to York,
>PA, to
 pick it up.  You can have this 'parts' machine for the low, low
>price of 1
 Thank You.  I know it's a high price for some, but that's the
>price.  Firm
 :)

 I might be able to send pic, if I can still access the auction. 
>But,
 it's an old woodchuck with a crank handle.  Plus an external motor
>attached
 to the large gear.  Original stand included.

 Rick W.

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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[Tim Krause]

Sorry, the plans are private.  

On Aug 30, 2019, 4:25 AM, at 4:25 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Tim do you have scaled drawings of your wave attachment too?
>Based on all the info you guys are sharing we should be able
>to figure this out.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 5:28 AM Tim  wrote:
>
>> I’m finding all sorts of things.  The attatched file shows some
>roulettes
>> that can be made using the rotory table and the lead screw.  The cool
>trick
>> is patterns B and C can be made going up a post.  It just takes a
>slightly
>> different approach.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m going to let you noodle on the idea for a while.
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Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[Tim Krause]

Hi Curt, I hate to call you out on this, but the wave attachment / TK 
Reciprocator is not our exclusive item.  As you know, it was inspired by the 
Atkinson Reciprocator.  What makes it unique to our group is the ease of using 
a router to cut the pattern.  When can cut it deeper than the traditional 
equipment.  We can make the pattern on larger pieces, but I'll never claim that 
it is exclusive.

Now what has not been revealed by myself is that the reciprocator does not have 
to be    mounted on the duplex gear. It can be mounted on the leadscrew as 
well. One iteration of my design used that method.  It's also possible to make 
changes to the pattern as rarely discussed by changing the number of teeth on 
the duplex gear.  I did also have a method of of creating a fool proof DNA 
pattern based on flipping the adjustment rail 180 degrees.  That way tooth 
count and marking of the gears would not be needed. Since it was such a limited 
use feature, I never got around to implementing it. 

Hey Richard, I'm still not seeing the picture.  Did you attach it? You want to 
know what I think regarding making it more fancy? You made a pattern that I 
have never dreamed possible and your asking me? I have not made anything with 
the reciprocator for over 5 years! MAYBE its time to revisit the device from a 
different set of parameters like you are thinking. I do think that Bill is 
correct in saying 90 degrees of twist is the maximum. It would depend on the 
pitch mostly, not the amplitude.  Again, it's something I would have to look at 
again, but it's very low on my list of things to do. Probably right next to the 
colonoscopy! Hahahaha.

Tim

On Aug 29, 2019, 8:24 AM, at 8:24 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Hi Tim
>Not the pic I meant to put on, but the finished article !
>How right you are, ---so i stopped thinking and did my wave pattern. It
>is 
>on a piece of wood about 1 3/4 inc dia. and is a three wave one way and
>
>then a reverse three. Looks o.k. but maybee should have been a little 
>deeper   (Me thinks )
>You can see that is the highest wave that I can get until I lengthen
>the 
>piston rod.Don't know what you *think* and can I make it more fancy
>Richard
>
>On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:22:10 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I was about to say that you all are thinking way too much anyway!
>> On Aug 29, 2019, at 4:19 AM, Richard Ellis > > wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim 
>>> I posted a reply to a previous answer and it included the pic,
>>>  So this reply I* thought* wood have included the pic
>>> I shall have to stop thinking !!! and put the pic up again
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:

 Am I the only one that does not see a picture or an attachment? 



 Sent from Samsung tablet

  Original message 
 From: Richard Ellis  
 Date: 8/28/19 11:49 PM (GMT-08:00) 
 To: Legacy Ornamental Mills  
 Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves 

 Hi
  Here is the pic of my maximum height of wave. I don't need to go
>to the 
 extreme but do need the waves to be more exaggerated i:e more 
 stormy---just want to rock the boat! Hence a longer piston
>rod , 
 When I get one made .
 Richard 

 On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 5:54:51 PM UTC+1, Richard Ellis
>wrote:
>
> Here is a pic of the curves There are five curves and I was
>thinking of 
> putting a straight groove in between. All good practice !!
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 10:52:58 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Looks good so far 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 August 2019 4:59 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>> *Subject:* Re: TK Reciprocater long curves
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just taken a quick pic of the basic (start ) of a coat and hat
>stand.
>>
>> It is 38 inches long X2 inch dia. May decde to make dia smaller
>!!! It 
>> of course only approx half of the stand height.
>>
>> The four inch TK curve will be spaced eqidistance around the dia.
>but 
>> will have a straight flute between each curve,
>>
>> Will take more pics Later if time permits !!??
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 7:09:38 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis
>wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill Tim & Curt
>>
>> I will have to settle for a 4 inch curve When I have time to
>change 
>> the TK to the 2X .Need a different gear set up for anything
>longer ( Not 
>> LOM )
>>
>> I will update you when I take a pic of the wood I am using and
>it's 
>> purpose also the dimensions.
>>
>> Bit too busy at the present time to do much with the Revo or 900.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:38:02 PM UTC+1, Curt George
>wrote:
>>
>> Here 

Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

[Tim Krause]

I was about to say that you all are thinking way too much anyway!

On Aug 29, 2019, 4:19 AM, at 4:19 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Tim 
>I posted a reply to a previous answer and it included the pic,
> So this reply I* thought* wood have included the pic
>I shall have to stop thinking !!! and put the pic up again
>Richard
>
>On Thursday, August 29, 2019 at 12:06:39 PM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Am I the only one that does not see a picture or an attachment? 
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung tablet
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Richard Ellis > 
>> Date: 8/28/19 11:49 PM (GMT-08:00) 
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills > 
>>
>> Subject: Re: TK Reciprocater long curves 
>>
>> Hi
>>  Here is the pic of my maximum height of wave. I don't need to go to
>the 
>> extreme but do need the waves to be more exaggerated i:e more 
>> stormy---just want to rock the boat! Hence a longer piston
>rod , 
>> When I get one made .
>> Richard 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 5:54:51 PM UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is a pic of the curves There are five curves and I was thinking
>of 
>>> putting a straight groove in between. All good practice !!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 10:52:58 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:

 Looks good so far 

  

 Bill

  

 *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> 
 *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 August 2019 4:59 PM
 *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 *Subject:* Re: TK Reciprocater long curves

  

 Just taken a quick pic of the basic (start ) of a coat and hat
>stand.

 It is 38 inches long X2 inch dia. May decde to make dia smaller !!!
>It 
 of course only approx half of the stand height.

 The four inch TK curve will be spaced eqidistance around the dia.
>but 
 will have a straight flute between each curve,

 Will take more pics Later if time permits !!??

 On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 7:09:38 AM UTC+1, Richard Ellis
>wrote:

 Hi Bill Tim & Curt

 I will have to settle for a 4 inch curve When I have time to change
>the 
 TK to the 2X .Need a different gear set up for anything longer (
>Not LOM )

 I will update you when I take a pic of the wood I am using and it's
>
 purpose also the dimensions.

 Bit too busy at the present time to do much with the Revo or 900.

 Richard

 On Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 5:38:02 PM UTC+1, Curt George wrote:

 Here is the longest pitch with a wave that I have done. Is this
>like 
 what you want to make?

 C.A.G.

 [image: Inline image]

 On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 11:12:04 AM EDT, 'Curt George' via
>Legacy 
 Ornamental Mills  wrote: 

  

  

 Good morning.

 Richard, What router bit are you using?

  

 What Tim and Bill already said are correct. but the type of cut you
>make 
 also makes the wave look different.  depending on the diameter of
>the work 
 piece and the cutter's size, as well as the depth of your cut will
>give you 
 different looks. And also will the method of cutting. (Cutting for
>the top 
 vs cutting form the side of the wood will also change the look.)

  

 Here are a few different looks you can get with a long pitch and 
 different cutters.

  

 C.A.G. 

  

 On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 07:53:29 AM EDT, 
>
 wrote: 

  

  

 If I remember correctly the wave or zigzag the biggest you can
>achieve 
 as it travels along is around 90 degrees so virtually no degrees to
>90.

  

 But the pitch how long the waves are governed  by the pitch just
>the 
 same as spirals are so do some waves at different pitches and see,
>so my 
 guess would be yes 2x would give 4 inch  . please report how you go
>I would 
 be greatly interested to see, if it wasn’t so dam cold here out in
>the shop 
 I would try a few and report back.

  

 Bill

  

 *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> 
 *On Behalf Of *Richard Ellis
 *Sent:* Sunday, 18 August 2019 7:47 PM
 *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 *Subject:* TK Reciprocater long curves

  

 Hi all you LOM experts

 I am trying to do a long (approx ) 6 inch flute with the TK at
>present 
 with the standard index gear I get a 2 inch point to point curve 

 If I change to the 2X gear I think it will only give me a four inch
>
 point to point  --- I have not tried but it's my guess !!

 Am I trying to do the impossible???

 Richard

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RE: not legacy at all

[Tim Krause]

Well if you must go, the directions are here:

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Otherwise I would stick around for a while and ask questions so we can offer 
some assistance.  There are several members that would like to see your work.  
There are several cane maker lurking in the background, maybe you could get 
them talking again?

I do have to say this last month we been a little lax in keeping the messages a 
little off topic. There is so much more to see if you go through the old 
messages. If you do choice to leave let me be the first to say we will miss 
you.  This group runs on questions and answers and even newbies are welcome 
here.

Sincerely, Tim

On Aug 12, 2019, 3:01 AM, at 3:01 AM, rkcorbettjr  wrote:
>I'm interested in finding out how to unsubscribe as I  have only used
>my legacy to make cains and quarter columns for a chest of drawers I'm 
>working on. Almost all of what I see on the emails is beyond me.
>Frankly, the legacy was a gift from my wife and up until a couple of
>years ago I  never touched a piece of wood, so I'm not able to exploit
>this tool to anywhere near its potential. Of course, if there was
>someone in Maryland from whom I  could take lessons, that would be
>appreciated.ThanksSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> Original message From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au Date:
>8/10/19  12:38 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: not legacy at all
>Alaska I’d love to go there but in the summer when its just cold not
>freezing all the wilderness game ,fishing and those northern lights
>were was all the gold the Klondike was it?  If you can get internet you
>can check up on us but like here lots of the place probably doesn’t
>have anything not even power I could live with that ok Bill From:
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Okla Mike
>(Liltwisted)Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2019 2:00 PMTo: Mike Pung
>Subject: Re: not legacy at
>all I see that, what will happen when I go to Alaska for a month? 
>Total chaos?  I have enjoyed the threads, keep up the great work.Mike
>OKOn 8/9/2019 5:44 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:Welcome back mike
>now its Curts turn when he gets back lots happening on the group while
>you guys were away Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Okla Mike
>(Liltwisted)Sent: Saturday, 10 August 2019 7:47 AMTo: Mike Pung
>Subject: Re: not legacy at
>all Made it home safe, Had a great time with Tim and his WoodChuck as
>well as the LOM.  His chain drive system really saved some space in a
>shop crowded with all the cool tools.  Thanks for the hospitality
>Tim.Mike OKOn 8/8/2019 3:18 PM, Tim Ziegler wrote:Mike is on his way
>home now he just left my driveway.   Kind Regards,  Timothy J.
>ZieglerZiegler WoodWork & Specialty14171 160th Ave.Foreston MN
>56330 320-294-5798 shop320-630-2243 cell  On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 12:56
>PM Richard Ellis  wrote:How about this one 
> https://www.thefenlandblackoakproject.co.uk/ Mac,, I wonder what is
>under the Deserts !  ? RichardOn Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 6:46:13 PM
>UTC+1, Richard Ellis wrote: Bill It was not particulary light I have no
>idea what part it was for, all I was concerned with cutting them down
>and dragging them out to a hard stand.RichardOn Thursday, August 8,
>2019 at 9:32:35 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote: So sycamore must be a light
>but strong wood ? I have never seen it in the flesh so to speak Bill
> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Richard EllisSent:
>Thursday, 8 August 2019 4:46 PMTo: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>Subject: Re: not legacy at
>all Bill Thanks for putting the UTUBE on .Those were the days.I started
>with a two man saw on my first tree I cut down,   (  and soon bought my
>first chain saw!! )   I kept at the logging game for the next 50 yearsI
>felled quite a lot of trees that I was told by the owner had been
>planted for the aircraft industry, mainly sycamore , Also did a lot of
>willow trees that went to the cricket bat trade.I enjoyed those
>days---sigh sighOn Thursday, August 8, 2019 at 3:01:55 AM
>UTC+1, aussiman wrote:Not legacy at all and not that much woodwork but
>a really cool really old video I liked
>it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVG0-sbx3wA Bill Virus-free.
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RE: REVO (again)

[Tim Krause]

I've just been using a bolt for the index plate and a thick washer.  It has a 
more solid grip on the index wheel for working larger diameter stock.  Also 
when reading or flouting it a tiny bit less loose.

On Aug 12, 2019, 12:40 AM, at 12:40 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
> 
>
>5/16-18 thread  right, I wasn’t sure without measuring I knew you know
>off the top of your head Tim that’s why you’re the jedi master    my
>bad   
>
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/06220-4A31X20-Thermoplastic-Stainless-External-Diameter/dp/B013I6YD00/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=5%2F16+18+threaded+screw+knob
><https://www.amazon.co.uk/06220-4A31X20-Thermoplastic-Stainless-External-Diameter/dp/B013I6YD00/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=5%2F16+18+threaded+screw+knob=1565595452=diy=8-6>
>=1565595452=diy=8-6
>
> 
>
>here you go
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Krause
>Sent: Monday, 12 August 2019 3:50 PM
>To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills 
>Subject: RE: REVO (again)
>
> 
>
>The knob for the index wheel is a 5/16-18 thread.  The split nuts are
>held on with 1/4-20 threads.
>
>Acrylic can be tricky.  If its melting, you need to speed up your feed
>or reduce the depth of cut or reduce the router speed or sharpen your
>cutting tool.  Legacy had a pen video a long time ago showing a one
>pass cut, bit it was cheating a bit.  Super hard wood you can almost
>get away with it.  Bill's right, sneak up on your final cut or you
>might have a problem taken your next cut because nothing will be left! 
>At least wood is easier than plastic and metal to add too!
>
>Tim
>
>On Aug 11, 2019, at 6:32 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au
><mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au>  wrote:
>
>Lighter cuts on acrylic ray lighter cuts on acrylic if it gets hot it
>can melt then it resets and breaks remember I said I milled the blank
>first before doing the spiral so you don’t take really big cuts like
>they do in the video.
>
> 
>
>If I remember the thread is ¼ 20 unc but I will have to check to be
>sure  Tim K will know I’m sure he will chime in to confirm this if not
>I will measure it and let you know 
>
> 
>
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/JW-Winco-Plastic-Threaded-Diameter/dp/B00A9N4ZTU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=1%2F4+20+threaded+knob+nut
><https://www.amazon.co.uk/JW-Winco-Plastic-Threaded-Diameter/dp/B00A9N4ZTU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=1%2F4+20+threaded+knob+nut=1565573466=diy=1-2-fkmr0>
>=1565573466=diy=1-2-fkmr0
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Monday, 12 August 2019 10:52 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
>Subject: REVO (again)
>
> 
>
>Morning folks,
>
> 
>
>Wonder if anyone can help with any of the following please.
>
> 
>
>What is the thread on the knob hold in the Index wheel.  Its the same
>as the one that locks the router and also the half threaded plastic
>gubbins that goes on the long threaded thingy.
>
> 
>
>I unscrewed the index wheel - something went ping and the knob hit the
>floor, bounced and despite a very thorough search I'm darned if I can
>find it. (found lots of other useful stuff though). Looked through all
>my Legacy spares and its not an item supplied.apparently.
>
> 
>
>I managed to get the REVO up and running today (yeehahhh) so I'm almost
>back in business - tried to turn an acrylic pen as per Bill - acrylic
>shattered - but I'll sort it.
>
> 
>
>I also managed through the group to get a copy of the assembly
>instructions which helped enormously.
>
> 
>
>Are there instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical vice
>available do you know?
>
> 
>
>Thanks to all the advice and help I've had so far - if I hadn't found
>this group I would still be ages away from actually using the machine.
>
> 
>
>Ray
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
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Spindle Tips

[Tim Krause]

I'm posting this link as there are many new members that may not know this 
stuff.

http://www.ornamentalmills.com/tips/stuck_headstock_drive/index.html

Tim

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RE: REVO (again)

[Tim Krause]

The knob for the index wheel is a 5/16-18 thread.  The split nuts are held on 
with 1/4-20 threads.

Acrylic can be tricky.  If its melting, you need to speed up your feed or 
reduce the depth of cut or reduce the router speed or sharpen your cutting 
tool.  Legacy had a pen video a long time ago showing a one pass cut, bit it 
was cheating a bit.  Super hard wood you can almost get away with it.  Bill's 
right, sneak up on your final cut or you might have a problem taken your next 
cut because nothing will be left!  At least wood is easier than plastic and 
metal to add too!

Tim

On Aug 11, 2019, 6:32 PM, at 6:32 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Lighter cuts on acrylic ray lighter cuts on acrylic if it gets hot it
>can melt then it resets and breaks remember I said I milled the blank
>first before doing the spiral so you don’t take really big cuts like
>they do in the video.
>
> 
>
>If I remember the thread is ¼ 20 unc but I will have to check to be
>sure  Tim K will know I’m sure he will chime in to confirm this if not
>I will measure it and let you know 
>
> 
>
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/JW-Winco-Plastic-Threaded-Diameter/dp/B00A9N4ZTU/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?keywords=1%2F4+20+threaded+knob+nut
>
>=1565573466=diy=1-2-fkmr0
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Monday, 12 August 2019 10:52 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: REVO (again)
>
> 
>
>Morning folks,
>
> 
>
>Wonder if anyone can help with any of the following please.
>
> 
>
>What is the thread on the knob hold in the Index wheel.  Its the same
>as the one that locks the router and also the half threaded plastic
>gubbins that goes on the long threaded thingy.
>
> 
>
>I unscrewed the index wheel - something went ping and the knob hit the
>floor, bounced and despite a very thorough search I'm darned if I can
>find it. (found lots of other useful stuff though). Looked through all
>my Legacy spares and its not an item supplied.apparently.
>
> 
>
>I managed to get the REVO up and running today (yeehahhh) so I'm almost
>back in business - tried to turn an acrylic pen as per Bill - acrylic
>shattered - but I'll sort it.
>
> 
>
>I also managed through the group to get a copy of the assembly
>instructions which helped enormously.
>
> 
>
>Are there instructions for the Rotary Table and the Vertical vice
>available do you know?
>
> 
>
>Thanks to all the advice and help I've had so far - if I hadn't found
>this group I would still be ages away from actually using the machine.
>
> 
>
>Ray
>
> 
>
> 
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Re: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks

[Tim Krause]

Just wanted to say, welcome to the group and feel free to ask any question to 
keep the  LOM information flowing

Tim

On Aug 8, 2019, 2:21 PM, at 2:21 PM, Brafield Bodger  wrote:
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>>
>> I have a supernova with just that insert fitted :)
>>
>
> Thanks for your help.
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Re: Legacy Arty CNC on eBay

[Tim Krause]

Okay, I can understand now. One of the shops I worked at had this huge sheet of 
pickled and oil steel that the new guys had to make a hand print on and sign 
their name.  If it rusted later, they were not allowed to handle steel without 
gloves. Some people's skin just affects steel that way.  Groan...that's an old 
joke about stainless.

On Aug 7, 2019, 9:08 PM, at 9:08 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Tim,
>
>Yes - I did notice.  In fact the seller mentions it too.
>
>Answer: It is in Florida - Sanford; which is between Orlando and the
>Atlantic Ocean. 
>
>Having lived in the tropics, I can tell you - everything (almost) rusts
>- even stainless (its stainLESS; not stainPROOF).
>
>It is probably more the humidity, and not proximity to salty air. 
>Seems it is in a functioning shop - so it is most likely not in an a/c
>controlled environment.  That being said, there is light surface rust
>on the rails (X and Y axis) with the larger (and more than surficial?)
>rust spots being on the operator side(?) X-axis rail.  It is my guess
>those came from sweaty arms contacting the rail when manipulating the
>stock to be milled.
>
>Mac
>_
>_________
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Aug 7, 2019 11:10 PM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: Legacy Arty CNC on eBay 
>
>Did anyone notice the rust on the rails? I wonder why this is
>happening.  Any thoughts?
>
>As a side note, Curt already always tells me that whenever he leaves
>the group lights up with conversation.  It's getting harder and harder
>to convince him he's not right!
>
>On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:04 AM, MWF  wrote:
>
>Here's and earlier model Legacy CNC machine - for sale in Sanford,
>Florida.
>
>Legacy Arty Personal CNC 1053
>
>Mac
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RE: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts

[Tim Krause]

Again my fault.  I should have explained or said U.P. I'm typing with a stylus 
one letter at a time with a tiny tablet. The only internet is when I get home 
at nights. During the day I'm surrounded by rolling hills of wheat and high 
heat!  Sorry Bill.


On Aug 7, 2019, 10:09 PM, at 10:09 PM, MWF  wrote:
>That stands for Upper Peninsula. If you look at a map of Michigan - it
>is split into two good size pieces of land - both being peninsulas.  
>
>They refer to the northern piece, that wraps around much of the
>northern edge of Wisconsin, the UP / Upper Peninsula.
>
>It is kind of Michigan's "Outback" - but it isn't barren like your's. 
>It is full of vegetation and considered remote living - very sparsely
>populated.
>
>As far as I know there are no cities of any size in the UP.  Most of
>Michigan's population lives in the lower 25% of the "Lower Peninsula"
>(Weather is a tad bit better there.).  Most of the population centers
>in Michigan owe their existence to the founders of our automobile
>industry.  Many (most?) of them surrounding Detroit.
>
>Sorry for the long answer to your very short question.
>
>Mac
>_
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
>Sent: Aug 8, 2019 12:27 AM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts 
>
>in the UP ? 
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
>_
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Krause
>Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2019 1:24 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts
>
> 
>
>Well to let out more secrets, Curt and Mike are slaving away looking
>for gold in the UP.   Can't wait to hear about Mike finding it all
>again. 
>
>On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>keep in mind the woodchuck guru is traveling (AKA MIKE PUNG) but is
>here in Minnesota so we can let him know to respond if that helps? 
>
>I also have both the LOM and WC 
>
>Kind Regards, 
>
> 
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler 
>
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 
>
>14171 160th Ave. 
>
>Foreston MN 56330 
>
> 
>
>320-294-5798 shop 
>
>320-630-2243 cell 
>
>_
>
> 
>
>On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:09 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>
>received additional photos from the buyer(now seller) of those three
>Legacy mills... these photos show the seller organizing and grouping
>the parts as best he knows(he knows almost nothing about the workings
>of a legacy mill, generally speaking)… there are 14 additional photos
>here, and I am going to try posting three photos per post... as I
>mentioned before, I am not scaling the photos down, so let's see how
>this might work as far as individual members downloading time... I will
>also ask members of this group to refer to the photo number when
>commenting, so we all can reference back to the photo... what is being
>asked here is an identification of what is there, for the purpose of
>what goes with the three legacy's that he is selling and what will then
>be sold separately as parts... there seems to be a decent amount of
>woodchuck parts, but ii would wait to hear from the woodchuck guys as
>to what they can identify 
>
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RE: Legacy Arty CNC on eBay

[Tim Krause]

I've seen a disgruntled owner on you-tube but I have no other first hand 
knowledge.  As far as the electronics, they have come a long ways since the 
beginning,  but again no first person complaints.

I was just wondering what I was seeing.

On Aug 7, 2019, 9:49 PM, at 9:49 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>I did notice its on all the rails cross slide as well weren’t they
>known for rusting I’m sure I heard somewhere they were and some
>electronic problem too but I’m not sure. Rusty rails would defiantly
>make the mill not so smooth running
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Krause
>Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2019 1:11 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: Legacy Arty CNC on eBay
>
> 
>
>Did anyone notice the rust on the rails? I wonder why this is
>happening.  Any thoughts?
>
>As a side note, Curt already always tells me that whenever he leaves
>the group lights up with conversation.  It's getting harder and harder
>to convince him he's not right!
>
>On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:04 AM, MWF <mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> > wrote:
>
>Here's and earlier model Legacy CNC machine - for sale in Sanford,
>Florida.
>
>
><https://www.ebay.com/itm/153593348335?ul_noapp=true> Legacy Arty
>Personal CNC 1053
>
>
>Mac
>
>
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Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts

[Tim Krause]

We are getting off topic here and it's my fault, but there are some pictures in 
old messages that show what he got.  A small vile with a tiny amount of dust in 
it is pretty average for him.  He always says he can't quit his day job!

On Aug 7, 2019, 9:33 PM, at 9:33 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Thanks for the update.
>
>Now, let's see if Curt "practices what he preaches" after the trip.
>
>He is always asking for pictures.  Let's see if he posts pictures for
>us to see, of all the gold he panned.
>
>For his sake (and Mike's), I hope they find the Mother Lode!
>
>Mac
>_
>_________
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Aug 7, 2019 11:24 PM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts 
>
>Well to let out more secrets, Curt and Mike are slaving away looking
>for gold in the UP.   Can't wait to hear about Mike finding it all
>again. 
>
>On Aug 7, 2019, at 10:32 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>keep in mind the woodchuck guru is traveling (AKA MIKE PUNG) but is
>here in Minnesota so we can let him know to respond if that helps? 
>
>I also have both the LOM and WC 
>
>Kind Regards, 
>
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler 
>
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 
>
>14171 160th Ave. 
>
>Foreston MN 56330 
>
>
>320-294-5798 shop 
>
>320-630-2243 cell 
>
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:09 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills < legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>
>received additional photos from the buyer(now seller) of those three
>Legacy mills... these photos show the seller organizing and grouping
>the parts as best he knows(he knows almost nothing about the workings
>of a legacy mill, generally speaking)… there are 14 additional photos
>here, and I am going to try posting three photos per post... as I
>mentioned before, I am not scaling the photos down, so let's see how
>this might work as far as individual members downloading time... I will
>also ask members of this group to refer to the photo number when
>commenting, so we all can reference back to the photo... what is being
>asked here is an identification of what is there, for the purpose of
>what goes with the three legacy's that he is selling and what will then
>be sold separately as parts... there seems to be a decent amount of
>woodchuck parts, but ii would wait to hear from the woodchuck guys as
>to what they can identify 
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RE: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks

[Tim Krause]

Well that's good!  I'm in sunny Spokane, Wa right now so swinging by home ain't 
an option!

On Aug 7, 2019, 9:29 PM, at 9:29 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Tim,
>
>You found your mind - it was not lost.  All 3 of the output shafts on
>the Shopsmith Headstock are 5/8" diameter.
>
>So any lathe accessory that says it is an adapter for, or "fits"
>Shipsmith, will have to have a 5/8" diameter bore.
>
>You can sleep well - knowing that you have your mind well in hand.
>
>Mac
>_
>_________
>
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Aug 7, 2019 11:18 PM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: RE: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks 
>
>Um, I might be losing my mind, but shopsmith is a 5/8" bore, either my
>mind is of, the ad is wrong or shopsmith has a new size.  See... 
>
>https://www.pennstateind.com/store/L5818.html
>
>Tim 
>
>PS. I'm a long ways away from mine to measures.
>
>On Aug 7, 2019, at 1:30 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>
>Yes I believe it will provided the thread fits your chuck or you will
>need a chuck with a ¾ dia X 16 TPI thread
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2019 1:43 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks
>
> 
>
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-LATHE-CHUCK-ADAPTER-3-4-X-16-TPI-MADE-IN-USA-FOR-THE-SHOPSMITH-MARK-V/273131056739?hash=item3f97e12e63:g:M~QAAOSwEjFXdFPy
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Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts

[Tim Krause]

Well to let out more secrets, Curt and Mike are slaving away looking for gold 
in the UP.   Can't wait to hear about Mike finding it all again. 

On Aug 7, 2019, 10:32 AM, at 10:32 AM, Tim Ziegler  
wrote:
>keep in mind the woodchuck guru is traveling (AKA MIKE PUNG) but is
>here in
>Minnesota so we can let him know to respond if that helps?
>I also have both the LOM and WC
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:09 PM 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> received additional photos from the buyer(now seller) of those three
>>> Legacy mills... these photos show the seller organizing and grouping
>the
>>> parts as best he knows(he knows almost nothing about the workings of
>a
>>> legacy mill, generally speaking)… there are 14 additional photos
>here, and
>>> I am going to try posting three photos per post... as I mentioned
>before, I
>>> am not scaling the photos down, so let's see how this might work as
>far as
>>> individual members downloading time... I will also ask members of
>this
>>> group to refer to the photo number when commenting, so we all can
>reference
>>> back to the photo... what is being asked here is an identification
>of what
>>> is there, for the purpose of what goes with the three legacy's that
>he is
>>> selling and what will then be sold separately as parts... there
>seems to be
>>> a decent amount of woodchuck parts, but ii would wait to hear from
>the
>>> woodchuck guys as to what they can identify
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RE: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks

[Tim Krause]

Um, I might be losing my mind, but shopsmith is a 5/8" bore, either my mind is 
of, the ad is wrong or shopsmith has a new size.  See... 

https://www.pennstateind.com/store/L5818.html

Tim 

PS. I'm a long ways away from mine to measures.

On Aug 7, 2019, 1:30 PM, at 1:30 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Yes I believe it will provided the thread fits your chuck or you will
>need a chuck with a ¾ dia X 16 TPI thread
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Thursday, 8 August 2019 1:43 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Just to confirm this will fit the Revo - thanks
>
> 
>
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-LATHE-CHUCK-ADAPTER-3-4-X-16-TPI-MADE-IN-USA-FOR-THE-SHOPSMITH-MARK-V/273131056739?hash=item3f97e12e63:g:M~QAAOSwEjFXdFPy
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Re: Legacy Arty CNC on eBay

[Tim Krause]

Did anyone notice the rust on the rails? I wonder why this is happening.  Any 
thoughts?

As a side note, Curt already always tells me that whenever he leaves the group 
lights up with conversation.  It's getting harder and harder to convince him 
he's not right!

On Aug 7, 2019, 8:04 AM, at 8:04 AM, MWF  wrote:
>Here's and earlier model Legacy CNC machine - for sale in Sanford,
>Florida.
>
>Legacy Arty Personal CNC 1053
>
>Mac
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RE: 2 Morse Taper

[Tim Krause]

So off topic, but my favorite is an old Clausing lathe and an old no brand 
T-lathe off of a battle ship! That monster could swing around 4 or 5 feet 
diameter. Scariest machine I ran but you felt like you controlled the word!

Back to the legacy topics please.

On Aug 4, 2019, 4:10 AM, at 4:10 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>VDF lathe I remember them really good lathe I worked on one making pump
>shafts and impellers for a while in my engineering days 
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
>Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2019 7:24 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: 2 Morse Taper
>
> 
>
>Thanks Tim
>
>I have the single locking collar for the chuck, have tried that with
>the chuck and all is o.k. I am well aware of morse tapers having bought
>and sold quite a few metal working lathes. The best one of all of them
>was a VDF German made lathe See http://www.lathes.co.uk/
>
>Cheers
>
>Richard
>
>On Sunday, August 4, 2019 at 6:11:43 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>
>No one mentioned to NOT hammer it in like you would a lathe.  In fact I
>would  recommend  that you take it out frequently.   You remove the
>knob from the end of the spindle and use the 1/4" Allen wrench to tap
>it out.  
>
>If you don't follow this advice, you will find the drive gets stuck
>inside the socket and heavier means are necessary. 
>
>If you really don't take this advice, the two metals will become one
>and they are seriously not for woodworkers to attempt getting them
>apart!
>
>So some of this was said tongue in check, but the double locking collar
>is the definitive way to go.  Last I checked, legacy still had then in
>stock.  They are just two locking collars welded together. One has a
>smooth 1" bore that tightens on the drive an the other collar I
>threaded 1-8 that tightens on the spindle
>
>If you choose to use a chuck or a face plate you will need a smooth
>bore split collar to make the accessories turn true.
>
>Hope that helps
>
>On Aug 3, 2019, at 2:41 AM, Richard Ellis  > wrote:
>
>I have just put together my shortened 900 However I am not to impressed
>with the head stock 2 morse. Will there be a chance of it slipping if
>the tailstock dead center loosens and the pressure on the 2 morse eases
>. Do I need to locktite it or pin it somehow ??
>
>Richard
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Re: 2 Morse Taper

[Tim Krause]

No one mentioned to NOT hammer it in like you would a lathe.  In fact I would  
recommend  that you take it out frequently.   You remove the knob from the end 
of the spindle and use the 1/4" Allen wrench to tap it out.  

If you don't follow this advice, you will find the drive gets stuck inside the 
socket and heavier means are necessary. 

If you really don't take this advice, the two metals will become one and they 
are seriously not for woodworkers to attempt getting them apart!

So some of this was said tongue in check, but the double locking collar is the 
definitive way to go.  Last I checked, legacy still had then in stock.  They 
are just two locking collars welded together. One has a smooth 1" bore that 
tightens on the drive an the other collar I threaded 1-8 that tightens on the 
spindle

If you choose to use a chuck or a face plate you will need a smooth bore split 
collar to make the accessories turn true.

Hope that helps


On Aug 3, 2019, 2:41 AM, at 2:41 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>I have just put together my shortened 900 However I am not to impressed
>
>with the head stock 2 morse. Will there be a chance of it slipping if
>the 
>tailstock dead center loosens and the pressure on the 2 morse eases .
>Do I 
>need to locktite it or pin it somehow ??
>Richard
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Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts

[Tim Krause]

Thanks for clearing that up. My tablet often has in complete message threading. 

Tim

On Jul 31, 2019, 4:45 PM, at 4:45 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>To Tim... i am assuming you are looking at the box of parts that seem
>to have woodchuck parts in it... these are being sold by the person who
>recently purchased the three Legacy’s and is now selling them... so I
>am not selling a woodchuck... but I do have a woodchuck that is not
>totally complete that I could be putting into play... but for now I
>will wait to see how these woodchuck parts sell... Joe B.
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RE: Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tim Krause]

You have two choices, 1- 1/2" and something close to .039".  You just need to 
swap the gears.  Could wrong, on the smaller number, I don't that information 
near me.  

A pen is made with a 1/2" roping bit and you would do a three start twist ( 
pitch / router bit dia = number of starts ).

The smaller pitch is used with a cove bit to make your stock round.  It's not 
the best finish. The flat bit has an okay finish, but it needs to be offset 
like our big machine. You can only run the bit down the centers.

Tim




On Jul 31, 2019, 4:21 PM, at 4:21 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Not sure how many pitch options those 200s have I would have to look
>the only one I know is ½ inch
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler
>Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2019 9:08 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
> 
>
>Lets get those pix back up to the front of this post and look again?
>
>Along with the link etc...
>
>Curtis did state he really wanted one of these. 
>
>If He decides after his trip he's going to pass on it I may consider it
>too for small stuff, or a new Toy. Tool lol
>
>So in the mean time lets cycle it back up to the front here?
>
>
>Kind Regards,
>
> 
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
>14171 160th Ave.
>
>Foreston MN 56330
>
> 
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>
>320-630-2243 cell
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:58 AM Tracy Smith  > wrote:
>
>No problem at all.  My offer stand for anyone in the group that may be
>interested in that LOM 200.  I can see that it is still available.
>
> 
>
>This group is great for answering questions and sharing insights so
>it's the least I can do.
>
> 
>
>Have a great Wednesday.
>
> 
>
>Tracy
>
> 
>
>On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 8:49 PM MWF  > wrote:
>
>Tracy,
>
>That is a VERY Kind offer.
>
>The world needs more folks that think like you did.
>
>Mac
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>  _  
>
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tracy Smith 
>Sent: Jul 27, 2019 8:06 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>  
>Subject: Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale 
>
>Curt,
>
> 
>
>I talked to the guy a couple of times.  I know he will come down in
>price.  If you need any help picking it up and shipping, I'll be glad
>to help.
>
> 
>
>Tracy
>
> 
>
>On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:14 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills  > wrote:
>
>Hello 
>
> 
>
>I have wanted a 200 for quite a while now.
>
>You are right Bill vertical template follower. The machine is limited,
>but it to offers some very real possibility's
>
> 
>
>I will check on it tomorrow. 
>
> 
>
>If I miss this one, then I just might go out and make my own unit? With
>Linear rail selling for a more reasonable prices today.  Making my own
>unit is starting to sound more like a very real possibility..
>
>With my Dream machine, I would go longer, and give the carriage a Y
>movement, (the 200 only cuts on the center line of the spindle.) I
>would also like to figure out a way to tilt the Z axis so to cut
>face-plate type of work... ;-)
>
> 
>
>Well I did say my Dream machine... ;-p
>
>I have to run... Have a good night.
>
> 
>
>C.A.G.
>
> 
>
>On Friday, July 26, 2019, 09:49:17 PM EDT,  > wrote: 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>The legacy 200 a great mill for pen makers and small work if I remember
>it has a vertical template follower
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> > On Behalf Of Tracy
>Smith
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 4:34 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
>Subject: Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
> 
>
>Hello all,
>
> 
>
>Someone in my area is selling a never used LOW 200.  The machine is
>still in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking
>into it, it is too small for me to make use of.
>
> 
>
>Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested:
>https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.
>
> 
>
>Tracy
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Re: three legacy's for sale and accessories and parts

[Tim Krause]

I take it you are selling a woodchuck Joe?

On Jul 31, 2019, 12:26 PM, at 12:26 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>


>
>
>>
>>
>>>


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RE: Milling cutters

[Tim Krause]

Curt uses them. Mostly for jobs that require a long length.  Curt's out of town 
for a little while so you won't hear from him any time soon.

Now in a pinch, I've been known to do the opposite and use a two flute carbide 
or hss to mill aluminum NOT on the legacy, but on my mill.  I've also used hss 
two flute cutters on delrin.

The old machinist will tell you that hss can have a sharper edge than carbide, 
but with some of the newer micro grain carbides they can match the level of 
sharpness. Carbide is very easy to damage if you drop one on the floor they 
will most likely chip. Hss in the same drop might get a tiny dent that can be 
sharpened while the carbide could new special tooling to sharpen that most wood 
workers don't have unless they are really into sharpening their own tools.

That's my initial thoughts folks.

Tim

On Jul 30, 2019, 3:49 PM, at 3:49 PM, MWF  wrote:
>I'm sure we will hear from him - but I believe that Curtis has been
>telling us for years that end mill cutters are "the way to go" for a
>number of tasks. 
>
>H advises that they are easy to find - and cheap.
>
>Mac
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: bulke...@mmnet.com.au 
>Sent: Jul 30, 2019 6:05 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: Milling cutters 
>
>I do Richard from time to time, I have a heap of high speed steel end
>mill cutters I got at a garage sale once
>
>Bill
>
>_
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Richard Ellis
>Sent: Wednesday, 31 July 2019 4:03 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Milling cutters
>
> 
>
>Just wondering how many of you LOM users use different sized metal
>milling cutters in your LOM
>
>I do with an extension and different sized collets 
>
>Richard
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Re: Could this become confusing?

[Tim Krause]

Well since the Revo is only a 6.5 diameter and red maybe not? They both are a 
bit Rube Goldgerg looking! Thanks for showing it.


On Jul 30, 2019, 6:14 AM, at 6:14 AM, Brafield Bodger  wrote:
>Nice looking lathe and a good spec.
>
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Re: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

I thought we were educating another fella.  Don't mind me.

On Jul 28, 2019, 11:38 PM, at 11:38 PM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Hi Tim
>*I think there is a mix up*. I have all the pen making equipment and as
>for 
>the large chuck  adapter, that was made by me when I had a metal work
>lathe
>I had no problems cutting threads ,welding or other things that were
>needed 
>to improve the LOM's
>I just can't see  myself rushing out to buy a 200  
>The larger chuck with all the different jaws came with a fitting to fit
>my 
>normal wood lathe , that I hardly use. I am not into bowl turning and I
>try 
>to make the Revo do all I need
>Now like Bill, I have increased the rail length (from the 900 ) it is a
>
>better tool.
>I do not know what the 900 will be like when fitted with the shorter
>Revo 
>rails and leadscrew probably a disaster???
>Regards
>Richard
>
>On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 6:12:12 AM UTC+1, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Nice one master yoda as always you are the man Tim
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > *On Behalf Of *Tim
>Krause
>> *Sent:* Monday, 29 July 2019 2:28 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills > >
>> *Subject:* Re: REVO Help
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> This is really nerdy stuff, but here it goes. Legacy on the model 200
>came 
>> with the option of a pen mandrel that screwed into the spindle. Then
>pen 
>> mandrel was proprietary to the 200. So when they started offering the
>revo, 
>> they made a change to the spindle that would be able to take a
>standard to 
>> the USA drill chuck and that was used to hold a standard pen mandrel
>that 
>> every woodturning supplier sells. 
>>
>> As pointed out earlier, the revo uses a 5/8" mandrel which is a
>shopsmith 
>> standard. So if you need to use your 4 jaw chuck most people sell and
>you 
>> would only use on the revo, you would get the shopsmith adapter for
>say you 
>> nova chuck. Otherwise, you would use the 1-8 to adapter to go with
>the 
>> standard lathes available here an get the adapter that Bill pointed
>out to 
>> fit the revo.
>>
>> How's that for a complete answer!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 1:57 AM, Richard Ellis > > wrote:
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>  I have measured the thread and it is definitely 3/8 x24 tpi unf
>>
>> What exactly do you want to hold in such a small chuck, is it pen
>making 
>> stuff ? If so I have some I don't use.
>>
>> Richard 
>>
>> On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:51:51 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Hey, my 200 is tricked out, I would miss it! I recall paying more
>than 
>> retail, but it came complete with a router, rust, and wrong parts. 
>No 
>> wonder he didn't use it much.
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:37 PM, MWF  wrote:
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>> You just haven't offered him a "King's Ransom" - he's holding out.
>>
>> Offer him enough, and when his wife finds out - you'll have a deal!
>>
>> To be honest, I don't think you (or I) would want a Model 200 bad
>enough 
>> to offer up a "King's Ransom"for one.
>>
>> Heck, I bet if your offer got high enough, Tim Krause would ship you
>his!  
>> But, you better make the offer in US Dollars.
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Bawdsey64 
>> Sent: Jul 27, 2019 1:29 PM 
>> To: MWF , Legacy Group 
>> Subject: RE: REVO Help 
>>
>> ​Thanks Mac
>>
>> However you are wrong, for this gentleman wishes to keep this
>wonderful 
>> piece of machinery because unlike his CNC machines it does not take
>up a 
>> lot of room!
>>
>> And by the way, what are these Pounds you mention because they have
>now 
>> been re launched as Boris Dollars as he is so keen to suck up to
>Donald.
>>
>> Please be aware that normal political service will be resumed but 
>> currently we don't know when.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Roger
>> --
>>
>> *From:* MWF
>>
>> *Received:* 27/07/2019 17:12:59 +01:00
>>
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>>  
>>
>> EVERYTHING is "for sale"!  Including his Model 200!
>>
>> You just haven't put enough "Pounds" in his paws!  LoL!
>>
>> Economists call it &

Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!

[Tim Krause]

I'm on a 6" tablet so I can't see clearly enough.  The middle supports should 
be on the inside, so if you are seeing them on the outside, I would have to say 
not assembled correctly.

I also don't see the gear covers on any of the machines.  I hate the things so 
I have several shirts that have been ruined by the shirt eating gears! 

Whoever said the photos were probably from the auction is a pretty sharp cookie.

Tim

On Jul 28, 2019, 10:11 PM, at 10:11 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Tim,
>
>
>Great catch.  Yes, the front/nearest one is shorter.
>
>So that means:
>
>The front one is a Model 1500EX. (60" capacity)
>
>The back two are Model 1500EXLs. (80" capacity) 
>
>(The above Model naming and capacities are courtesy of info supplied by
>Bill. Thanks, Bill.)
>
>
>The front one has its red, midpoint support pieces (2) installed on the
>inside of the outer rail.
>
>The other two have that support piece installed outboard.
>
>Will you explain? (Or is one way incorrect and the other correct?)
>
>
>Mac
>
>
>PS:  It's 01:10 EDT and no photos yet from NY Joe.  I hope he didn't
>fall asleep at the wheel on his way to Mattoon, IL.
>_________
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Jul 29, 2019 12:50 AM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy! 
>
>I'm so proud of you all pointing out the tiny detail, but no one
>pointed out that one machine is shorter than the other two.
>
>The leg diagonals where added later in the production. It made the unit
>stiffer and less wobbly.
>
>The controller box in question is one from the 2000.  Very strange to
>see it on such an early machine, but obviously all the machines were
>adapted to the newer z-axis kits. Now if we want to get even more
>specific, the z-axis kits are the second generation out of three that
>I'm aware of. I'm not near my date information, but is that really
>needed?
>
>Oh, finally none of them are CNC's or duplicators. That's really a
>clerical error.  He said in the post that I read that he bought them at
>an auction and knew very little about them. At over $3000 for each unit
>is a bit of a stretch.  I agree that very few people need three
>machines. I did have a thought that we are starting to see third
>generation buyers.  People that saw the demos at the old woodworking
>shows, but they didn't buy them then. Pretty interesting to me, the
>farther removed from the original buyers, the more the machines are
>missing parts.
>
>Tim
>
>On Jul 28, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>
>Here's a picture of the 1500 I had before I sold it. 
>
>
>On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:21 PM MWF < mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>Tracy, 
>
>Did your 1500 have the "Floor Stand with Elevation Controls" option? 
>
>(That's what Legacy called the two cranks w/acme thread rods to
>raise/lower the bed rails). 
>
>I'm thinking that the knee braces may have been a component of that
>upgrade. 
>
>Mac 
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tracy Smith 
>Sent: Jul 28, 2019 7:55 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy! 
>
>I have a 1200 with the CNC upgrade and these three machines do not have
>any of the components, that I can see, for the CNC upgrade.  The red
>box on the middle machine looks to be the motor control.  It's very
>different from the other two and something I have not seen on a LOM
>before. 
>
>
>I use to have a 1500 and these look like they are a newer model than
>the one I had.  The knee braces on the legs, for example, are something
>my previous 1500 did not have. 
>
>
>Tracy 
>
>
>On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:20 PM MWF < mwfos...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>
>Joe, 
>
>I'm LMAO! 
>
>Send pics of it!  LOL 
>
>Mac 
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>>From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>Sent: Jul 28, 2019 6:40 PM 
>>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>>Subject: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy! 
>> 
>>and a side note to Mac... my GPS says I should be there by 9:00PM!...
>LOL!!
>
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Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!

[Tim Krause]

I'm so proud of you all pointing out the tiny detail, but no one pointed out 
that one machine is shorter than the other two.

The leg diagonals where added later in the production. It made the unit stiffer 
and less wobbly.

The controller box in question is one from the 2000.  Very strange to see it on 
such an early machine, but obviously all the machines were adapted to the newer 
z-axis kits. Now if we want to get even more specific, the z-axis kits are the 
second generation out of three that I'm aware of. I'm not near my date 
information, but is that really needed?

Oh, finally none of them are CNC's or duplicators. That's really a clerical 
error.  He said in the post that I read that he bought them at an auction and 
knew very little about them. At over $3000 for each unit is a bit of a stretch. 
 I agree that very few people need three machines. I did have a thought that we 
are starting to see third generation buyers.  People that saw the demos at the 
old woodworking shows, but they didn't buy them then. Pretty interesting to me, 
the farther removed from the original buyers, the more the machines are missing 
parts.

Tim

On Jul 28, 2019, 7:43 PM, at 7:43 PM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>Here's a picture of the 1500 I had before I sold it.
>
>On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:21 PM MWF  wrote:
>
>> Tracy,
>> Did your 1500 have the "Floor Stand with Elevation Controls" option?
>> (That's what Legacy called the two cranks w/acme thread rods to
>> raise/lower the bed rails).
>> I'm thinking that the knee braces may have been a component of that
>> upgrade.
>> Mac
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tracy Smith
>> Sent: Jul 28, 2019 7:55 PM
>> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!
>>
>> I have a 1200 with the CNC upgrade and these three machines do not
>have
>> any of the components, that I can see, for the CNC upgrade.  The red
>box on
>> the middle machine looks to be the motor control.  It's very
>different from
>> the other two and something I have not seen on a LOM before.
>>
>> I use to have a 1500 and these look like they are a newer model than
>the
>> one I had.  The knee braces on the legs, for example, are something
>my
>> previous 1500 did not have.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 5:20 PM MWF  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>> I'm LMAO!
>>> Send pics of it!  LOL
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> >From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> >Sent: Jul 28, 2019 6:40 PM
>>> >To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>>> >Subject: THREE LOM's as a lot on eBAy!
>>> >
>>> >and a side note to Mac... my GPS says I should be there by
>9:00PM!...
>>> LOL!!!
>>>
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Re: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

Hi Richard,

This is really nerdy stuff, but here it goes. Legacy on the model 200 came with 
the option of a pen mandrel that screwed into the spindle. Then pen mandrel was 
proprietary to the 200. So when they started offering the revo, they made a 
change to the spindle that would be able to take a standard to the USA drill 
chuck and that was used to hold a standard pen mandrel that every woodturning 
supplier sells. 

As pointed out earlier, the revo uses a 5/8" mandrel which is a shopsmith 
standard. So if you need to use your 4 jaw chuck most people sell and you would 
only use on the revo, you would get the shopsmith adapter for say you nova 
chuck. Otherwise, you would use the 1-8 to adapter to go with the standard 
lathes available here an get the adapter that Bill pointed out to fit the revo.

How's that for a complete answer!

Tim

On Jul 28, 2019, 1:57 AM, at 1:57 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Ray
> I have measured the thread and it is definitely 3/8 x24 tpi unf
>What exactly do you want to hold in such a small chuck, is it pen
>making 
>stuff ? If so I have some I don't use.
>Richard 
>
>On Sunday, July 28, 2019 at 4:51:51 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Hey, my 200 is tricked out, I would miss it! I recall paying more
>than 
>> retail, but it came complete with a router, rust, and wrong parts. 
>No 
>> wonder he didn't use it much.
>> On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:37 PM, MWF > 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Roger,
>>> You just haven't offered him a "King's Ransom" - he's holding out.
>>> Offer him enough, and when his wife finds out - you'll have a deal!
>>> To be honest, I don't think you (or I) would want a Model 200 bad
>enough 
>>> to offer up a "King's Ransom"for one.
>>> Heck, I bet if your offer got high enough, Tim Krause would ship you
>
>>> his!  But, you better make the offer in US Dollars.
>>> Cheers.
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Bawdsey64 
>>> Sent: Jul 27, 2019 1:29 PM 
>>> To: MWF , Legacy Group 
>>> Subject: RE: REVO Help 
>>>
>>> ​Thanks Mac
>>>
>>> However you are wrong, for this gentleman wishes to keep this
>wonderful 
>>> piece of machinery because unlike his CNC machines it does not take
>up a 
>>> lot of room!
>>>
>>> And by the way, what are these Pounds you mention because they have
>now 
>>> been re launched as Boris Dollars as he is so keen to suck up to
>Donald.
>>>
>>> Please be aware that normal political service will be resumed but 
>>> currently we don't know when.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Roger
>>> --
>>> From: MWF
>>> Received: 27/07/2019 17:12:59 +01:00
>>> To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com 
>>> Roger,
>>>
>>> EVERYTHING is "for sale"!  Including his Model 200!
>>> You just haven't put enough "Pounds" in his paws!  LoL!
>>> Economists call it "Supply and Demand".
>>>
>>> Mac
>>> --
>>> -Original Message- 
>>> From: Bawdsey64 
>>> Sent: Jul 27, 2019 11:38 AM 
>>> To: Ray Clements , Legacy Group 
>>> Subject: RE: REVO Help 
>>>
>>> Hi Ray
>>>
>>> First of all I remember delivering your machine to you.  
>>>
>>> Now if you send me a picture of the Headstock on your REVO I might
>be 
>>> able to tell what NOVA Insert you need, since retiring I have done a
>bit of 
>>> consultancy work for Teknatool (NOVA).
>>>
>>> On the subject of the Model 200 I know where one resides in the UK
>and I 
>>> would buy it if I could but he won't sell it.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Roger 
>>> --
>>> ​​
>>> From: Ray Clements
>>> Received: 27/07/2019 12:12:18 +01:00
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Thanks Bill – that’s just what I need.  Can someone  tell me what a
>3/8- 
>>> 24 thread is?  Is that 3/8” diameter and 24 tpi?​
>>>
>>> Ideally I’d like an insert for my Supernova Chuck but not found one
>with 
>>> that small a diameter.  There is a firm that will cut a customised
>one I 
>>> found – now all I have to do is find them again ​
>>>
>>> Ray​
>>>
>>> From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  <
>>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > On Behalf Of 
>>> bulk...@mmnet.com.au 
&

RE: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

Hey, my 200 is tricked out, I would miss it! I recall paying more than retail, 
but it came complete with a router, rust, and wrong parts.  No wonder he didn't 
use it much.

On Jul 27, 2019, 7:37 PM, at 7:37 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Roger,
>
>You just haven't offered him a "King's Ransom" - he's holding out.
>
>Offer him enough, and when his wife finds out - you'll have a deal!
>
>To be honest, I don't think you (or I) would want a Model 200 bad
>enough to offer up a "King's Ransom"for one.
>
>Heck, I bet if your offer got high enough, Tim Krause would ship you
>his!  But, you better make the offer in US Dollars.
>
>Cheers.
>
>Mac
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Bawdsey64 
>Sent: Jul 27, 2019 1:29 PM 
>To: MWF , Legacy Group 
>Subject: RE: REVO Help 
>
>​Thanks Mac
>
>However you are wrong, for this gentleman wishes to keep this wonderful
>piece of machinery because unlike his CNC machines it does not take up
>a lot of room!
>
>And by the way, what are these Pounds you mention because they have now
>been re launched as Boris Dollars as he is so keen to suck up to
>Donald.
>
>Please be aware that normal political service will be resumed but
>currently we don't know when.
>
>Cheers
>
>Roger
>
>_
>
>From: MWF
>
>Received: 27/07/2019 17:12:59 +01:00
>
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
>Roger,
>
>
>EVERYTHING is "for sale"!  Including his Model 200!
>
>You just haven't put enough "Pounds" in his paws!  LoL!
>
>Economists call it "Supply and Demand".
>
>
>Mac
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Bawdsey64 
>Sent: Jul 27, 2019 11:38 AM 
>To: Ray Clements , Legacy Group 
>Subject: RE: REVO Help 
>
>Hi Ray
>
>
>First of all I remember delivering your machine to you.  
>
>Now if you send me a picture of the Headstock on your REVO I might be
>able to tell what NOVA Insert you need, since retiring I have done a
>bit of consultancy work for Teknatool (NOVA).
>
>On the subject of the Model 200 I know where one resides in the UK and
>I would buy it if I could but he won't sell it.
>
>Cheers
>
>Roger 
>
>_
>​​
>
>From: Ray Clements
>
>Received: 27/07/2019 12:12:18 +01:00
>
>To:
>
>Thanks Bill – that’s just what I need.  Can someone  tell me what a
>3/8- 24 thread is?  Is that 3/8” diameter and 24 tpi?​
>
>Ideally I’d like an insert for my Supernova Chuck but not found one
>with that small a diameter.  There is a firm that will cut a customised
>one I found – now all I have to do is find them again ​
>
>Ray​
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of
>bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 2:28 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: REVO Help​
>
>The revo to my knowledge never had a morse taper. Only people modifying
>the mill would have. as for the thread on the headstock look at the
>attached pic legacy used to sell a chuck to fit the thread size is on
>the pic of their add from way back when​
>
>Bill​
>
>_
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 3:15 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: REVO Help​
>
>OK - here we go.​
>
>The REVO was supposed to have a 2MT morse taper - but for the life of
>me I cannot find out where it is.  Anyone?​
>
>Does anyone know what the thread is on the headstock - there is a nut
>holding the Index Hub (female) to the geared section?​
>
>If you do/dont know the size of the thread - do you know any chuck or
>drill chuck that fits?​
>
>Thanks.​
>
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RE: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

For a lathe chuck, you would use the shopsmith adapter for your chuck like bill 
said.

On Jul 27, 2019, 3:39 PM, at 3:39 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>To be clear here, the Jacobs chuck screws on to the revo thread but the
>lathe chucks don’t, they use an adaptor and just slides on the revos
>headstock shaft. And is held in place with grub screws
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2019 7:56 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: REVO Help
>
> 
>
>That would be ideal.  Is the female thread the same as the REVO?
>
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RE: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

That's the one.  5/8" smooth bore to 1-8 threads.

On Jul 27, 2019, 6:01 AM, at 6:01 AM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>I think this is the one Tim is referring too 
>https://www.pennstateind.com/store/L5818.html
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> On Behalf Of Tim Krause
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 10:35 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: REVO Help
>
> 
>
>Penn state industries has what you need.  It's a shop Smith adapter
>that you are looking for.  It fits over the 5/8" shaft and it has the
>1-8 threads that fit most chucks.
>
>On Jul 27, 2019, at 4:21 AM, Tim Ziegler <mailto:timjzieg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>Hey good morning Ray,
>
> 
>
>Have you checked with Legacy them selves?
>
>I just bought my LOM 1200 this winter from a private party, and was
>able to purchase several things. Gears, index plates,
>
>T nuts, thread adapters etc...direct from Legacy.  Was not super fast
>as some was still being made as the order come in.
>
>Of course I am not sure exactly what you need but sure worth checking
>out right guys?
>
>
>
>
>Kind Regards,
>
> 
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>
>14171 160th Ave.
>
>Foreston MN 56330
>
> 
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>
>320-630-2243 cell
>
> 
>
> 
>
>On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:12 AM Ray Clements <mailto:rayu...@sky.com> > wrote:
>
>Thanks Bill – that’s just what I need.  Can someone  tell me what a
>3/8- 24 thread is?  Is that 3/8” diameter and 24 tpi?
>
> 
>
>Ideally I’d like an insert for my Supernova Chuck but not found one
>with that small a diameter.  There is a firm that will cut a customised
>one I found – now all I have to do is find them again 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Ray
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>bulke...@mmnet.com.au <mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au> 
>Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 2:28 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: RE: REVO Help
>
> 
>
>The revo to my knowledge never had a morse taper. Only people modifying
>the mill would have. as for the thread on the headstock look at the
>attached pic legacy used to sell a chuck to fit the thread size is on
>the pic of their add from way back when
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> 
><mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
>Brafield Bodger
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 3:15 AM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >
>Subject: REVO Help
>
> 
>
>OK - here we go.
>
> 
>
>The REVO was supposed to have a 2MT morse taper - but for the life of
>me I cannot find out where it is.  Anyone?
>
> 
>
>Does anyone know what the thread is on the headstock - there is a nut
>holding the Index Hub (female) to the geared section?
>
> 
>
>If you do/dont know the size of the thread - do you know any chuck or
>drill chuck that fits?
>
> 
>
>Thanks.
>
> 
>
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Re: REVO Help

[Tim Krause]

Penn state industries has what you need.  It's a shop Smith adapter that you 
are looking for.  It fits over the 5/8" shaft and it has the 1-8 threads that 
fit most chucks.

On Jul 27, 2019, 4:21 AM, at 4:21 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hey good morning Ray,
>
>Have you checked with Legacy them selves?
>I just bought my LOM 1200 this winter from a private party, and was
>able to
>purchase several things. Gears, index plates,
>T nuts, thread adapters etc...direct from Legacy.  Was not super fast
>as
>some was still being made as the order come in.
>Of course I am not sure exactly what you need but sure worth checking
>out
>right guys?
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 6:12 AM Ray Clements  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Bill – that’s just what I need.  Can someone  tell me what a
>3/8-
>> 24 thread is?  Is that 3/8” diameter and 24 tpi?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ideally I’d like an insert for my Supernova Chuck but not found one
>with
>> that small a diameter.  There is a firm that will cut a customised
>one I
>> found – now all I have to do is find them again 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *
>> bulke...@mmnet.com.au
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2019 2:28 AM
>> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: REVO Help
>>
>>
>>
>> The revo to my knowledge never had a morse taper. Only people
>modifying
>> the mill would have. as for the thread on the headstock look at the
>> attached pic legacy used to sell a chuck to fit the thread size is on
>the
>> pic of their add from way back when
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Brafield
>Bodger
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 27 July 2019 3:15 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
>> *Subject:* REVO Help
>>
>>
>>
>> OK - here we go.
>>
>>
>>
>> The REVO was supposed to have a 2MT morse taper - but for the life of
>me I
>> cannot find out where it is.  Anyone?
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know what the thread is on the headstock - there is a nut
>> holding the Index Hub (female) to the geared section?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you do/dont know the size of the thread - do you know any chuck or
>> drill chuck that fits?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Brand new LOM 200 for sale

[Tim Krause]

Steve Jacob's has one.  

On Jul 26, 2019, 10:00 PM, at 10:00 PM, bulke...@mmnet.com.au wrote:
>Good luck curt I hope you get it. I think Tim K is the only other
>member with one isn’t he?
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
> 
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 2:15 PM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
> 
>
>Hello 
>
> 
>
>I have wanted a 200 for quite a while now.
>
>You are right Bill vertical template follower. The machine is limited,
>but it to offers some very real possibility's
>
> 
>
>I will check on it tomorrow. 
>
> 
>
>If I miss this one, then I just might go out and make my own unit? With
>Linear rail selling for a more reasonable prices today.  Making my own
>unit is starting to sound more like a very real possibility..
>
>With my Dream machine, I would go longer, and give the carriage a Y
>movement, (the 200 only cuts on the center line of the spindle.) I
>would also like to figure out a way to tilt the Z axis so to cut
>face-plate type of work... ;-)
>
> 
>
>Well I did say my Dream machine... ;-p
>
>I have to run... Have a good night.
>
> 
>
>C.A.G.
>
> 
>
>On Friday, July 26, 2019, 09:49:17 PM EDT,  > wrote: 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>The legacy 200 a great mill for pen makers and small work if I remember
>it has a vertical template follower
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
> > On Behalf Of Tracy
>Smith
>Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2019 4:34 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
> 
>Subject: Brand new LOM 200 for sale
>
> 
>
>Hello all,
>
> 
>
>Someone in my area is selling a never used LOW 200.  The machine is
>still in the original packaging.  It includes a router.  After looking
>into it, it is too small for me to make use of.
>
> 
>
>Here is the link to his online ad in case anyone is interested:
>https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/56802557.
>
> 
>
>Tracy
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Re: ...around the world....

[Tim Krause]

Well, that was the point of my last post, the map is virtually dead, it will be 
back and leaving your address here will help in the future with rebuilding.  
Btw, welcome to the group.

On Jul 17, 2019, 9:25 AM, at 9:25 AM, 4 Jim Carpenter 
 wrote:
>Curious ? I did not see any post previous about a map ? Guess I omit
>noticing the response's shown in the circle off to the side ?
>Anyway, I am in 62226 zip, 20 miles East of 255 opposite the St. Louis
>Arch
>and would love to know about LOM members local.
>Add me and a link to the (A) current map when ready. Thanks Tom - Jim -
>carpenter62...@gmail.com
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 2:46 AM Tim Krause 
>wrote:
>
>> Not at this time, I need to create an alternative page.  I live in
>Salem,
>> OR and all of my relatives are native to WA.  I'm the only OR native
>and
>> pretty proud of that!
>>
>> Thanks for asking to join the map and I'm looking forward to what you
>make
>> with your Legacy.
>>
>> Tim
>> On Jul 15, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Paul Richmond <4pea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tim, can you add me?
>>>
>>> Hillandale Dr E, Port Orchard, WA, 98366
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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Re: ...around the world....

[Tim Krause]

Not at this time, I need to create an alternative page.  I live in Salem, OR 
and all of my relatives are native to WA.  I'm the only OR native and pretty 
proud of that!

Thanks for asking to join the map and I'm looking forward to what you make with 
your Legacy.

Tim

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>Thanks.
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Re: moulding bed with fence.

[Tim Krause]

In production, I would use low profile lamps (manual) or air cylinders or a 
vacuum table or wedges, anything but double sided tape.  Never trust small 
items to double sided tape.

Tim

On Jul 12, 2019, 8:12 PM, at 8:12 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>OK so a few days back I posted about running with a bed and fence on
>the 
>Legacy and have not found anything on it. So I started brain storming
>and 
>come up with this so far. 
>Has anyone done this or have any feed back? This is certainly not
>perfected 
>but the concept is coming together. 
>Holding things tight and down are a bit of a problem so has anyone
>mounted 
>feather boards on the Carriage to hold the part down? I don't want to
>use 
>double stick tape either as I am a production shop so I am always
>looking 
>for efficiencies. 
>That's my next move. Stay tuned.  
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
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RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay

[Tim Krause]

That is the best picture that I have.  Sorry.  

On Jun 6, 2019, 5:02 PM, at 5:02 PM, Bill Bulkeley  
wrote:
>I agree speak up we can help you set up the mill and you will get a
>better price for it.
>
> 
>
>Also Tim have you got a clear pic of a 800 I would like to see one, the
>pic on the legacy history page is not clear enough to enlarge to see
>clearly. 
>
> 
>
>Bill 
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of MWF
>Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 9:36 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>Tim, 
>
> 
>
>We are going to have to call you "Sherlock Krause"!  Good observation
>and deduction!
>
> 
>
>After all our comments about it, if he/she is a lurker, they probably
>won't speak up now.
>
> 
>
>Aaawww, come on now, owner - we mean no personal afront to you if you
>are (a lurker).  We are much more curious as to WHY it is assembled the
>way it is.
>
>You (owner) may have VERY cogent reasons for it being the way it is. 
>You sure have us wondering!
>
> 
>
>Mac
>
>  _  
>
>  _  
>
> 
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Krause 
>Sent: Jun 6, 2019 7:19 PM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay 
>
>
>
>
>Well Bill,
>
>Here's my theory on hacking the rails.  His username reflects he's a
>guitar builder.  If he is building electric guitars with a Gibson or
>Fender design he would need a couple more inches to be able to route
>around the body.  Just an educated guess or one left field dream.  
>
>$400 is an fantastic price.  Did anyone happen to notice his gear where
>setup in the Revo mode.  Makes me wonder if the seller is a lurker in
>this group.  
>
>Tim
>
>On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Bill Bulkeley 
>wrote:
>
>Not sure in anyone’s right mind why you would ever cut off rails, I
>have to assume he was working blind without a assembly manual and
>didn’t  even do a search online for a pic of a mill to follow.
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven
>Jacobs
>Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:51 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>I think I see what he did.
>
> 
>
>Left the bottom rails off (4th axis height)
>
>Doubled the front rail and back rail. Although partially on the back.
>
>Maybe installed the router plate backwards offsetting the axis. This
>caused the router to hit the back rail which might be why he cut it
>off.
>
> 
>
>He did not follow the assembly manual for sure.
>
> 
>
>Steve
>
> 
>
>On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Steven Jacobs 
>wrote:
>
> 
>
>Long time lurker here. 
>
> 
>
>I have a 800 cnc and the rails are not like the in the picture. Also
>this same picture is listed as the Legacy 1000 on ebay. 
>
>Steve Jacobs
>
> 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Bawdsey64  wrote:
>
>​
>A long time ago I sold at least 1 Model 800 here in the UK and it
>certainly did not have that short length of rail at each end. I think
>that either Richard or Bill have been over raiding the USA looking for
>extrusion and cut a bit out. That is not a factory standard.
>
>Cheers
>
>Roger
>
>​
>
> 
>
>​
>
>From: Tim
>
>Received: 06/06/2019 16:51:28 +01:00
>
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
>Look at the first picture in the upper left hand corner behind the
>curtain.  It looks like two pieces of railing if my eyes do not deceive
>me.   Images of a model 800 are few and far between.
>
> 
>
>-Tim
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: MWF <mailto:mwfos...@earthlink.net> 
>Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:30 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>Bill (and all others),
>
>Did you see the comments I sent after getting Curtis' email with the
>link to the LOM 800 on eBay?
>
>I expressed a very similar observation - along with several more.
>
>It is a rather "odd" Mill - to say the least. (We can understand why
>the owner "gave up" on it.)
>
>Mac
>
>
>
> 
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Bill Bulkeley 
>Sent: Jun 6, 2019 4:15 AM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: Legac

RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay

[Tim Krause]

Well Bill,

Here's my theory on hacking the rails.  His username reflects he's a guitar 
builder.  If he is building electric guitars with a Gibson or Fender design he 
would need a couple more inches to be able to route around the body.  Just an 
educated guess or one left field dream.  

$400 is an fantastic price.  Did anyone happen to notice his gear where setup 
in the Revo mode.  Makes me wonder if the seller is a lurker in this group.  

Tim

On Jun 6, 2019, 3:26 PM, at 3:26 PM, Bill Bulkeley  
wrote:
>Not sure in anyone’s right mind why you would ever cut off rails, I
>have to assume he was working blind without a assembly manual and
>didn’t  even do a search online for a pic of a mill to follow.
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven
>Jacobs
>Sent: Friday, 7 June 2019 2:51 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>I think I see what he did.
>
> 
>
>Left the bottom rails off (4th axis height)
>
>Doubled the front rail and back rail. Although partially on the back.
>
>Maybe installed the router plate backwards offsetting the axis. This
>caused the router to hit the back rail which might be why he cut it
>off.
>
> 
>
>He did not follow the assembly manual for sure.
>
> 
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Steven Jacobs 
>wrote:
>
> 
>
>Long time lurker here. 
>
> 
>
>I have a 800 cnc and the rails are not like the in the picture. Also
>this same picture is listed as the Legacy 1000 on ebay. 
>
>Steve Jacobs
>
> 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>On Jun 6, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Bawdsey64  wrote:
>
>​
>A long time ago I sold at least 1 Model 800 here in the UK and it
>certainly did not have that short length of rail at each end. I think
>that either Richard or Bill have been over raiding the USA looking for
>extrusion and cut a bit out. That is not a factory standard.
>
>Cheers
>
>Roger
>
>​
>
> 
>
>​
>
>From: Tim
>
>Received: 06/06/2019 16:51:28 +01:00
>
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>
>Look at the first picture in the upper left hand corner behind the
>curtain.  It looks like two pieces of railing if my eyes do not deceive
>me.   Images of a model 800 are few and far between.
>
> 
>
>-Tim
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: MWF  
>Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 8:30 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>Bill (and all others),
>
>Did you see the comments I sent after getting Curtis' email with the
>link to the LOM 800 on eBay?
>
>I expressed a very similar observation - along with several more.
>
>It is a rather "odd" Mill - to say the least. (We can understand why
>the owner "gave up" on it.)
>
>Mac
>
>
>
> 
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Bill Bulkeley 
>Sent: Jun 6, 2019 4:15 AM 
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com 
>Subject: RE: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay 
>
>
>
>Something odd about this 800 I have not seen one with one inner rail on
>one side and 2 little short pieces on the other. looking at the pic on
>its instruction manual looks like it has a inner rail on both
>sides.otherwise how can you move the tailstock along for different
>length work
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, 6 June 2019 2:28 PM
>To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills
>Subject: Legacy 800 + for a nice starting price on E-bay
>
> 
>
>Looks nice and a fair price.  (New bid, 9 days left to go.)
>
>C.A.G.
>
> 
>
>
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/Legacy-Ornamental-Woodworking-Mill-800EX-Manual-CNC-Router-Kit/113773256333?hash=item1a7d6a1e8d:g:hbYAAOSw3bNc-FVI
>
> 
>
>Legacy Ornamental Woodworking Mill 800EX Manual CNC Router Kit
>
>Condition:
>
>Used
>
>Time left:
>
>Time left:9d 19h 
>
>6/15, 7:54PM
>
>Starting bid:
>
>US $400.00
>
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>
> 
>
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>
>
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>
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>
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>
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Fwd: Re: Legacy parts and accessories for sale

[Tim Krause]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Legacy parts and accessories for sale
Date:   Wed, 15 May 2019 09:10:23 -0700
From:   Tim Krause 
To: Bill Bulkeley 



Vertical adjustable vise.

On 5/14/2019 2:31 PM, Bill Bulkeley wrote:


I think they are parts off one of the models of vertical vices I had 
one before my house fire it was adjustable similar  to the revos front 
rails


Bill

*From:*'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, 15 May 2019 6:29 AM
*To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
*Subject:* Re: Legacy parts and accessories for sale

lost on these... anyone have an idea as to what these are?... fairly 
sure they are a Legacy item of some sort... two pieces... left and a 
right... thanks... Joe


​

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Re: Legacy parts and accessories for sale

[Tim Krause]

50% is really harsh when you consider the limited availability.  That's my 
thoughts.  The machines do get lo-balled but not the accessories.  That's what 
I've seen and know. In the end it's between the buyer and seller.

On May 10, 2019, 8:21 PM, at 8:21 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hi Joe,
>
>be interested in the thin stock follower and your horizontal Vise. Do
>you
>have the other guide for running narrow parts? One mounts on a cross
>rail
>the other mounts on the router cross rails them selves. Sorry don't
>have
>the exact name right now. Unsure of your ideal pricing but good rule of
>thumb has been for us 50% of new original price. Thoughts?
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:55 PM Bill Bulkeley 
>wrote:
>
>> Joe would you have a spare right angle bracket off the horizontal
>vice I'm
>> looking for one I'm one short
>> Or perhaps i can buy the whole vice
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 11 May 2019 11:34 AM
>> To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> Subject: Legacy parts and accessories for sale
>>
>> Well, the time has come for me to thin things out a bit... so I went
>to
>> the warehouse and picked out a number of things I want to sell... for
>now I
>> am on my phone, so posting a detailed message is not happening now...
>I’ll
>> wait till Monday when I will be at my PC... for now, here is a list
>of
>> items, with more to follow... and I will post photos next week as
>well...
>> 1) 2 Z axis upgrades... 2) set of Legacy bed adjusters, complete, bed
>> pieces and base pieces... 3) Legacy dust bag and vinyl pieces that
>came off
>> an 1800... 4) 6 steel, red panels that came off an 1800... 5) Legacy
>caster
>> set... 5) Legacy feet/pad set... 6) Legacy thin stock accessory... 7)
>> Legacy cam action tail stock, complete with the cross bar... 8)
>Legacy
>> horizontal bench vise... 9) Legacy template follower... 10) 2 Legacy
>router
>> holders, with the “top hats” and other things that I will post... I
>will
>> keep all posts and updates here on this subject thread ... people can
>> contact me here or off line... my email is ... as
>far
>> as pricing goes I am going to see what the market will bear, but I
>suggest
>> no low ball offers... let’s see where it goes... thanks guys... Joe
>Biunno
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Re: Holy Smokes!

[Tim Krause]

Hi, 

I can answer this question.  I am the only person that has the right to 
redistribute the manuals and videos.  There are certain conditions that do 
apply.  Of them the most important one is the material must only be 
redistributed to members in this group and preferable to owners of the 
equipment.  If anyone else claims to be selling copies or CDs of information, 
that is extremely prohibited.  If there are copies of the full training menus 
on eBay or any other streaming services, they are also prohibited.  If you or 
anyone else have any questions, feel free to ask in the group or to my personal 
email address.

Tim

On Feb 11, 2019, 6:23 AM, at 6:23 AM, Ray Leaman  wrote:
>Not to be a Debbie Downer but page 2 shows Copyright by Phantom
>Engineering
>in 1991.
>
>I'm no expert on copyright law but just sayin...is Legacy permission
>needed
>before duplicating???
>
>On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 11:20 PM 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Rick
>> Welcome to the OM world.(that is Ornamental Milling)
>> I am glad that you can see the potential for your Wood Chuck. There
>are
>> some pretty neat things you can do with
>> your Ornamental mill.
>> I cant wait to see what you come up with.
>> Wishing you the best of luck.
>>
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 10, 2019, 10:03:02 PM EST, Rick Waters <
>> rick.wat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wow!  That's perfect! Thanks!!!
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 8:50 PM Tim Ziegler 
>wrote:
>>
>> Ok Rick,
>>
>> This may not be exactly the manual but has tons of the info you need
>and
>> want. this what legacy sent me when I landed my big catch AKA the
>WoodChuck
>> Triple click or highlight the link right click once pick go too...
>and
>> there you go. hope it helps.
>>
>>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4b0q959tgjmxi3j/AACPIMsz8WIiiveLBBoZXOzCa?dl=0=Woodchuck+IRT+manual.pdf
>>
>> Let me know if you can open it.
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>> 14171 160th Ave.
>> Foreston MN 56330
>>
>> 320-294-5798 shop
>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM Rick Waters 
>> wrote:
>>
>> OK, I'll admit, I've had the Woodchuck for about 6 weeks (maybe 2
>months),
>> and I haven't really touched it since I got it.  Mostly because I had
>an
>> unheated garage as a workshop, and Chicago temps have been
>prohibitively
>> cold lately.
>>
>> I took 20 minutes this morning to take the crank handle Mike Pung
>sent me
>> (thanks Mike!) out and figure out how it goes on the machine.  I had
>to
>> take off some giant washers, but figured it out.
>>
>> Then I started taking a bunch of parts off that were rust frozen,
>oiled
>> them up and got some of the surface rust off so they could move
>freely (to
>> some extent).
>>
>> Then I saw it...  This machine is AWESOME!  I'm still not sure about
>a lot
>> of things, but the possibilities are endless!  I just wanted
>something to
>> make pool cues with, but this can do so much more!
>>
>> Yeah, I've seen the braiding and twist videos, flute routing and all
>> that.  But when you see how configurable this is up close, your mind
>runs
>> wild!
>>
>> If anyone has a Woodchuck manual, or even an extra one, I'd be
>interested
>> it copying it.  The company I own is a professional training company,
>and I
>> make training manuals all the time.  I can make PDFs out of anything.
> So
>> if you want, I can make professional manuals that are out of print...
> Just
>> an offer.
>>
>> Thanks again to Mike Pung!
>>
>> Rick
>>
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Re: Holy Smokes!

[Tim Krause]

There's things silently going on in the background when it comes to the 
information not getting lost.  No worries there.

Tim

On Feb 11, 2019, 4:15 AM, at 4:15 AM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Hey Tim,
>My Pleasure. I am honestly glad I was able to contribute something that
>others will benefit from. I just happened to connect with the right
>person
>the day when I started my search. Now if a few guys save it to their
>computers and or a DVD or something. I printed it off of course too.
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 12:36 AM Tim Krause 
>wrote:
>
>> OMG, I can die now knowing the official woodchuck manual has been
>found.
>> Long mystified to be lost and never to be found again...at Legacy
>even!!!
>> Thanks for sharing this Tim, it honestly has been well over a 10 year
>> search.
>>
>> Tim
>> On Feb 10, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Tim Ziegler 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok Rick,
>>>
>>> This may not be exactly the manual but has tons of the info you need
>and
>>> want. this what legacy sent me when I landed my big catch AKA the
>WoodChuck
>>> Triple click or highlight the link right click once pick go too...
>and
>>> there you go. hope it helps.
>>>
>>>
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4b0q959tgjmxi3j/AACPIMsz8WIiiveLBBoZXOzCa?dl=0=Woodchuck+IRT+manual.pdf
>>>
>>> Let me know if you can open it.
>>> Kind Regards,
>>>
>>> Timothy J. Ziegler
>>> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>>> 14171 160th Ave.
>>> Foreston MN 56330
>>>
>>> 320-294-5798 shop
>>> 320-630-2243 cell
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM Rick Waters <
>rick.wat...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, I'll admit, I've had the Woodchuck for about 6 weeks (maybe 2
>>>> months), and I haven't really touched it since I got it.  Mostly
>because I
>>>> had an unheated garage as a workshop, and Chicago temps have been
>>>> prohibitively cold lately.
>>>>
>>>> I took 20 minutes this morning to take the crank handle Mike Pung
>sent
>>>> me (thanks Mike!) out and figure out how it goes on the machine.  I
>had to
>>>> take off some giant washers, but figured it out.
>>>>
>>>> Then I started taking a bunch of parts off that were rust frozen,
>oiled
>>>> them up and got some of the surface rust off so they could move
>freely (to
>>>> some extent).
>>>>
>>>> Then I saw it...  This machine is AWESOME!  I'm still not sure
>about a
>>>> lot of things, but the possibilities are endless!  I just wanted
>something
>>>> to make pool cues with, but this can do so much more!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I've seen the braiding and twist videos, flute routing and
>all
>>>> that.  But when you see how configurable this is up close, your
>mind runs
>>>> wild!
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has a Woodchuck manual, or even an extra one, I'd be
>>>> interested it copying it.  The company I own is a professional
>training
>>>> company, and I make training manuals all the time.  I can make PDFs
>out of
>>>> anything.  So if you want, I can make professional manuals that are
>out of
>>>> print...  Just an offer.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to Mike Pung!
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
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Re: Holy Smokes!

[Tim Krause]

OMG, I can die now knowing the official woodchuck manual has been found.  Long 
mystified to be lost and never to be found again...at Legacy even!!!  Thanks 
for sharing this Tim, it honestly has been well over a 10 year search.

Tim

On Feb 10, 2019, 6:50 PM, at 6:50 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>Ok Rick,
>
>This may not be exactly the manual but has tons of the info you need
>and
>want. this what legacy sent me when I landed my big catch AKA the
>WoodChuck
>Triple click or highlight the link right click once pick go too... and
>there you go. hope it helps.
>https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4b0q959tgjmxi3j/AACPIMsz8WIiiveLBBoZXOzCa?dl=0=Woodchuck+IRT+manual.pdf
>
>Let me know if you can open it.
>Kind Regards,
>
>Timothy J. Ziegler
>Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty
>14171 160th Ave.
>Foreston MN 56330
>
>320-294-5798 shop
>320-630-2243 cell
>
>
>On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 12:02 PM Rick Waters 
>wrote:
>
>> OK, I'll admit, I've had the Woodchuck for about 6 weeks (maybe 2
>months),
>> and I haven't really touched it since I got it.  Mostly because I had
>an
>> unheated garage as a workshop, and Chicago temps have been
>prohibitively
>> cold lately.
>>
>> I took 20 minutes this morning to take the crank handle Mike Pung
>sent me
>> (thanks Mike!) out and figure out how it goes on the machine.  I had
>to
>> take off some giant washers, but figured it out.
>>
>> Then I started taking a bunch of parts off that were rust frozen,
>oiled
>> them up and got some of the surface rust off so they could move
>freely (to
>> some extent).
>>
>> Then I saw it...  This machine is AWESOME!  I'm still not sure about
>a lot
>> of things, but the possibilities are endless!  I just wanted
>something to
>> make pool cues with, but this can do so much more!
>>
>> Yeah, I've seen the braiding and twist videos, flute routing and all
>> that.  But when you see how configurable this is up close, your mind
>runs
>> wild!
>>
>> If anyone has a Woodchuck manual, or even an extra one, I'd be
>interested
>> it copying it.  The company I own is a professional training company,
>and I
>> make training manuals all the time.  I can make PDFs out of anything.
> So
>> if you want, I can make professional manuals that are out of print...
> Just
>> an offer.
>>
>> Thanks again to Mike Pung!
>>
>> Rick
>>
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Re: FW: the archives

[Tim Krause]

Are you talking about going through old Google messages?  There has been no 
mention of Google trimming anything.  There has been another floating around 
about Google groups+, and that has nothing to do with us.  Waiting to hear more.

Tim

On Feb 10, 2019, 1:09 PM, at 1:09 PM, Bill Bulkeley  
wrote:
> 
>
>Here are a few more  such a shame so many are not there any more
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
>From: Bill Bulkeley [mailto:bulke...@mmnet.com.au] 
>Sent: Monday, 11 February 2019 8:05 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: the archives
>
> 
>
>I spent most of Sunday looking through our archives so many things are
>gone
>that we posted over the years so many legacy mods we all invented not
>there
>so many projects we did not there dam shame i wonder what happened i
>did
>grab a few pics that were there here is a few just for old time sake
>
> 
>
>Bill
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Re: Make a "Split Nut" - & buying parts from Legacy

[Tim Krause]

Regarding the history of the lom rails, thanks for saving me the time of typing 
it out.  You are right on.

Tim

On Feb 5, 2019, 7:59 AM, at 7:59 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>hers's what I remember from my inquiries regarding the Legacy rail...
>it 
>is/was proprietary, back in the day Legacy was making the manual 
>machines... i.e. you could not buy it, even if you knew who the 
>manufacturer was... Legacy eventually discontinued using that rail, and
>
>switched to a more common, commercially available rail(possibility the
>rail 
>that is available from the 80?20 company)… what I heard was that the 
>original rail supplier was charging Legacy a "storage" and
>"maintenance" 
>fee for the dies that were made exclusively for Legacy... Legacy
>decided to 
>not pay the fees(which were exorbitant, if my memory is correct)… so
>the 
>dies were destroyed... can't say for sure if all of this story is
>accurate, 
>but I believe other group members could make some comments here
>regarding 
>this specific situation... not sure if Legacy would so forthcoming to
>give 
>legal permission to manufacture some parts for their earlier machines,
>but 
>then again, would it be a viable business for someone to make that kind
>of 
>investment... and would anyone really need permission to make a couple
>of 
>items...  it is more than just making the parts, there is advertising, 
>marketing, etc., etc there is a very good reason why Legacy decided
>to 
>shut it down... we in this group are die hard Legacy mill
>enthusiasts... 
>and would probably cross a desert for a "Z" axis upgrade accessory,
>LOL!... 
>but that is just a handful of people... with all the talk lately of
>split 
>nuts, I made about 15 pieces a while back and it was suggested that if 
>anyone needed one, they could contact me... well, no one contacted me!,
>
>LOL!... so what is the actual market out there for Legacy parts and/or 
>accessories... even the railing... a minimum extrusion run might be a 
>thousand feet(or more!)… at what cost?... and how long to sell that
>much 
>railing?... packaging and shipping... it's complicated, for sure... and
>
>others have made a very good point of "keeping it in the family", so to
>
>speak... if Legacy is willing to continue making the parts that they do
>
>make now, then let's give the orders to them so there is an incentive
>for 
>them to continue... I might assume that they are not making killer
>profits 
>on those sales, and they are doing it to help support what is out there
>in 
>regards to there older equipment... just some thoughts and comments... 
>haven't commented for quite a while, but I do read all the posts...
>have 
>not used my machine in a year or so...  business stinks, in regards to
>what 
>I would need the Legacy for... hope all is well with everyone out in
>Legacy 
>Land!... Joe Biunno
>
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Re: Make a "Split Nut"

[Tim Krause]

Joe in NY made a batch of split nut a while back.  You all might want to ask 
for availability second.  My first supplier would be Legacy so they will keep 
making the parts needed for our machines. 

Tim

On Feb 2, 2019, 8:22 AM, at 8:22 AM, MWF  wrote:
>Thank you, Tim.
>
>Mac
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: Tim Ziegler 
>Sent: Feb 2, 2019 8:05 AM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: Make a "Split Nut" 
>
>I have a buddy up here in Minnesota that has a CNC and I shot him an
>email to see if this something he can create. Hopefully I hear
>something back from him this morning. 
>
>
>kind regards,
>
>
>Tim of ZWW
>
>On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-5, Va Oak wrote:
>
>Hello all,
>I am not sure how well a split nut made from HDPE will hold up - but
>here is my 2-cents' worth:
>HDPE (Look on bottom of plastic jugs, bottles, etc for the Recycle
>symbol w/the #2) is the only plastic that I know of that we can
>"re-purpose" at home.
>Do an Internet/BING search for this - you'll be amazed.
>
>I find that the plastic Folgers and Maxwell House coffee canisters are
>labeled #2 - as are most milk jugs.  The two coffee brands yield red
>and blue plastic respectively.
>My thought is that you embed a matching Acme rod into the mold you melt
>the #2 plastic in. Once cooled, you should be able to "unscrew" the rod
>from the plastic billet.  You then cut/machine the billet to the
>exterior measurements you need and then split it down the center line. 
>"Machining" can be done with your router, bandsaw, etc.
>
>Does anyone have an idea of how well the #2 plastic (HDPE) will hold
>up?  Even if it wears down after 6 months of use - you will be able to
>reuse that worn out piece, with some added #2 plastic, and melt/mold a
>new piece.  If your mold & billet is long enough, you can produce a
>year's-worth in one mold.
>
>If anyone tries this - or something similar, please share pictures and
>results.
>
>Mac
>_
>_
>
>-Original Message- 
>From: 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Sent: Aug 3, 2017 10:00 AM 
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills 
>Subject: Re: Wood Chuck Tour by Mike Pung 
>
>i'll offer an opinion here, as this could have been a problem for me on
>my recently acquired 1500...the problem is, due to the action/movement
>of the lead screw, the threads in the split nut wear sideways,
>especially when using a drive motor...think of each cross section of
>thread as a square(see photo)...I measured the cross section of the
>thread(in a new nut) to be .140" wide...in the photo of the worn nut,
>that same dimension is down to .065...so you could say the thread went
>from 1/8" full(new) to 1/16"...and sanding the nut down is not going to
>improve the function of the nut, in my opinion...maybe early on you can
>sand the nut to get a bit more life out of it, but that's it...the key
>to solving this problem is finding the 5/8-4 acme thread tap...once you
>have the tap, to make a new split nut is somewhat simple...and anyone
>who has that "hinged" split nut, I would swap that out and set up a
>sliding split nut...much more problematic to make that hinged split
>nut...so, if any member knows where to get that tap, here or overseas,
>please let the group know...I certainly would like to purchase
>one...barring that, I would also attempt to make a tap from some acme,
>threaded rod, if I had to...and the casting idea is also an excellent
>idea...joe b.
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Re: LOM in LA - NY Joe don't read this one - until 6 Feb!

[Tim Krause]

Those three extruded pieces are the standard horizontal vise kit but turned 90 
degrees and not bolted down correctly.  Nothing crazy, rare or new!



On Jan 31, 2019, 11:58 PM, at 11:58 PM, MWF  wrote:
>Hello fellow LOM Group Members,
>
>
>I came across a "new" listing for a Legacy Ornamental Mill on eBay.
>
>It is a Model 1800 and is in Walker, Louisiana.  Starting bid set at
>$2,500; no bids yet.
>
>
>LOM Model 1800 in Louisiana
>
>
>If you are reading this - and are interested in it - you better get
>your bid in quickly.
>
>You will also need to hope that NY Joe does not see it until after the
>auction expires.
>
>This Mill is a "BIG-un" - and Joe could use it to splice onto his
>King-Kong Mill to make it even bigger! LOL  
>
>(If you haven't heard of/seen "King-Kong" - you have missed something
>worth seeing.  Joe did an AMAZING job making it.  It looks BEAUTIFUL -
>like it was made in the Legacy factory - only even nicer!)
>
>
>The eBay Mill has the Linear Drive option - and includes a PC plunge
>router (and no Z-axis kit).  They seem to have quite a collection of
>router bits - but not sure how many are Magnate.
>
>
>Can anyone tell us why they have those metal "brackets" standing
>vertically - attached to 3 extrusion pieces that bridge between the two
>X-axis bed rails?
>
>My thought is:  They lower the bed rails and use the brackets as
>"guides" while they mill a piece of stock that's laid down the center
>of the Mill.  I know Legacy made a set of clamps & brackets that
>achieved a similar result.
>
>
>If you are in the USA's Midwest, Stay "Safe and Warm"! (Like The Mamas
>& Papas said in their song - "California Dreamin,")
>
>
>Mac
>
>
>
>
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Re: How do I smooth out the cut?

[Tim Krause]

Which router bit are you using?  Is it a magnate flat bottom?

On Jan 26, 2019, 10:19 AM, at 10:19 AM, Chris Smith  
wrote:
>I'm a new owner of the Legacy 1000EX and have been practicing on some
>dry 
>2x2 Ash, turning it down for a shovel handle.  I can get the blank
>round 
>but still have small ridges.  I've followed the instructions to adjust
>the 
>Y axis forward or back which improves it somewhat, but doesn't
>eliminate 
>the ridges. Am I doing something wrong or will I need to sand them out?
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Tim Krause]

You can't add yourself to the map at this time.  I'll make an announcement when 
it's back up again.

On Jan 25, 2019, 5:22 AM, at 5:22 AM, RYAN JURGENS  
wrote:
>I have been trying to add myself to the map, but it just doesn't seem
>to work. 
>I click on the map as the instructions say but nothing happens. I am an
>IT guy, so I kind of know what should happen and I have tried what I
>can think of to make it work but no such luck. 
>Suggestions?
>Ryan
>On Friday, January 25, 2019, 1:55:28 AM CST, Tim Krause
> wrote:  
> 
>The online thread is safe, you only deleted your local message base.On
>Jan 24, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>
>On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 3:54:45 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all the
>off topic messages in the thread.   
>
>We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy
>Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  
>
>The map can be found here: http://ornamentalmills.com/ map/usermap.html
>
>For instruction on how to place your marker on the map:
>http://ornamentalmills.com/ map/map_directions.html
>
>This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel
>the map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC
>members don't be shy. 
>
>-Tim
> I can not get this to work?
>
>
>Tim of ZWW 
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RE: Rotary Table w/drive shaft

[Tim Krause]

Close enough, the 2008 catalog said 99.00 :-)

On Jan 25, 2019, 12:57 AM, at 12:57 AM, jwb764  wrote:
>I want to say the drive shaft was an additional $100.  I know it was
>not included
>
>
>Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S9.
> Original message From: Bill Bulkeley
> Date: 1/25/19  2:57 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Rotary Table
>w/drive shaft 
>
>
>
>
>Here’s what it was worth new back in the
>day   might help you work out a price
>
> 
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>
>
>From:
>legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
>Ziegler
>
>Sent: Friday, 25 January 2019 3:18
>PM
>
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>
>Subject: Rotary Table w/drive
>shaft
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>Does anyone have a good idea what I should pay for a used Rotary table
>w/manufactured drive. (not factor) but clean?
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>Any feed back would be great its about a 2004
>
>
>
>
>
>Are there others out there someone is willing to sell?
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>Tim of ZWW
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Tim Krause]

The map is still not working.  I found a new way, but it takes a bit of 
programming that I have not made the time to work out. 

On Jan 25, 2019, 12:47 AM, at 12:47 AM, Richard Ellis  
wrote:
>Tim
> The details and map are a little behind the times
>I bought the Revo from Martin a long while ago .-however he may
>
>have bought another!!!
>And owing to a house move and a lot of alterations can't get to play on
>it. 
>However I am now in Bedfordshire U.K. so you can stick me on the map if
>you 
>wish
>Richard  in the U.K. 
>
>On Friday, January 25, 2019 at 7:55:26 AM UTC, Tim wrote:
>>
>> The online thread is safe, you only deleted your local message base.
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 8:29 PM, Tim Ziegler > 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 3:54:45 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:

 I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all
>the 
 off topic messages in the thread.   

 We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy 
 Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  

 The map can be found here:
>http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html

 For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
 http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html

 This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I
>feel the 
 map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC
>members don't 
 be shy. 

 -Tim
  I can not get this to work?

>>>
>>> Tim of ZWW 
>>>
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Tim Krause]

The online thread is safe, you only deleted your local message base.

On Jan 24, 2019, 8:29 PM, at 8:29 PM, Tim Ziegler  wrote:
>
>
>On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 3:54:45 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all
>the off 
>> topic messages in the thread.   
>>
>> We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  
>>
>> The map can be found here:
>http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
>>
>> For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
>> http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
>>
>> This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel
>the 
>> map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members
>don't 
>> be shy. 
>>
>> -Tim
>>  I can not get this to work?
>>
>
>Tim of ZWW 
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Re: Mounting Plates for Legacy 1200

[Tim Krause]

Those are officially called "mounting hubs", and just as Curt said, call Legacy 
and ask for Cindy.

Tim

On Jan 1, 2019, 10:09 AM, at 10:09 AM, dave...@ameritech.net wrote:
>I recently obtained a Legacy Ornamental Mill 1200 and am just starting
>to 
>learn how to use it.
>
>The problem I have is there were no index mounting plates with it and I
>
>have not been able to locate a source to purchase new ones.
>
>I have found were to get router bits but not the original mounting
>plates.
>
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>David
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Re: Legacy over head router for sale.

[Tim Krause]

Hahahahaha, another person has stolen my image off the history page that is 
suppose to be hidden!  Merry Christmas everyone, I think I'm the last to have 
Christmas come around in the group.

Tim

On Dec 25, 2018, 8:33 PM, at 8:33 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>Hello Everyone, Merry Christmas to all.
>I just saw this. Its sorta a novelty, but someone just might like to
>own this?
>Check it out. You might be the person who wants it. ;-)C.A.G.
>
>https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2174957216090623
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Re: Rotary table modifications.

[Tim Krause]

Yup

On Dec 12, 2018, 9:10 AM, at 9:10 AM, rookie  wrote:
>Tim, we landed in Milwaukie, are you still in Salem?
>
>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:44:01 PM UTC-8, rookie wrote:
>>
>> Greetings to all.  Back in the shop, (my winter hang-out), and
>looking to 
>> make some fun wood X-mas gifts.  I've dusted off the Legacy 900 and 
>> installed the rotary table, always a pain to line up the center of
>the 
>> router to the center of the rotary table.  I watched the Legacy
>training 
>> dvd's on centering the rotary table and have used that method in the
>past 
>> but there has to be a faster more accurate way, any thoughts or
>experience 
>> on this?  Also looking to making some hold down jigs on the rotary
>table, 
>> I've been using double stick tape but that method has some drawbacks,
>i.e., 
>> often leaves a sticky residue,  fails at time to hold down wood piece
>which 
>> results in ruining the work, also with thin pieces the risk of
>breaking 
>> while trying to release workpiece from the tape/table.  I picked-up
>some 
>> nice grade 3/4" plywood today with the intention of making several
>rotary 
>> tables with different hold down features, T-Tracks come to mind as
>these 
>> have a lot of  assorted accessories you can use with a T-Track. 
>Shell in 
>> Oregon. 
>>
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

A hex shaft could work as well.  Even two shaft clamps on a round shaft would 
work.  I know from error that a single shaft on the leadscrew is very prone to 
slipping! 

Another thing you have possibly not considered is phasing the cuts.  By 
rotating the cam on the shaft you can get different starting points of your 
pattern.  This creates a large array of what appears to be complicated effects 
that are very simple to duplicate.

I disagree about timing being a problem.  With gears or chain either work well 
enough in the real world.  Paul  Cler used gears and chain on his early 
machines.  Gears where used back in the 1800's, why reinvent the wheel:-)

Tim

On Dec 12, 2018, 6:36 AM, at 6:36 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>Hey Tim!... thanks for the reply!... a response and some ideas to 
>consider... the design I seem to be considering will always be in
>place, 
>ready to be used, with minimal time to setup... the hex spindle being 
>considered would always be in its position of above and forward of the 
>Legacy lead screw, which would not be ideal as far as using the Legacy
>as 
>it was originally intended... i.e. you would have to lean over and
>reach in 
>to make adjustments... not ideal, but like you said, to remove the 
>"accessory" and reattach it every time you wanted to use it, would 
>certainly be a P.I.T.A. … I considered putting the hex rod on the
>backside 
>of the machine, but it is critical that the rod and Legacy lead screw
>be in 
>somewhat perfect unison... and the further apart they might be, the
>harder 
>it is to achieve that unison... so I choose the front mount design,
>with 
>chain and sprockets going down to the lead screw... the hex would be
>the 
>same length as the lead screw, so all of the components would stay on
>the 
>machine through all operations... the cam "assembly" would be easily 
>detachable from the router carriage, and slid down to the end of the 
>machine, where it hopefully would not be in the way of normal machine 
>use... and the chain and sprockets would remain as a one-to-one ratio, 
>without change... certainly you could start playing with the diameters
>of 
>the sprockets for different ratios, which would be easy enough, but
>that is 
>something I MIGHT! think could be considered down the road... once the
>mod 
>was completed(if it ever is completed!), a lot could be done to expand
>on 
>it's capabilities... I just want to see if the basics could be up and 
>running for the moment... I could really push these ideas forward if I
>had 
>daily access to my machine, bit it is currently in my warehouse in
>upstate 
>NY(ready to be used, but not really on a Monday-to-Friday basis)… so
>this 
>mod is going to take some time... even considering obtaining a
>dedicated 
>machine(1200? or 1500?) for this project if I could find one in a price
>
>range that would make sense to go that route... that way I could have
>daily 
>access to the project... again, thanks for sharing your experiences...
>it 
>is informative... Joe
>
>
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Re: Rotary table modifications.

[Tim Krause]

Unless my memory is really failing, I've shown examples in the past messages.  
Anyone can make them.  I'll see if I can find the photos or I would search for 
"low profile" in the Google groups messages.

On Dec 12, 2018, 6:18 AM, at 6:18 AM, Harvey Matyas  
wrote:
>Tim
>
>Where are the  low profile clamps located?  I checked the site at
>https://ornamentalmills.com/turningaround/index.html
>
>Thank you.
>
>Harvey
>
>
>On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:55 AM Tim Krause 
>wrote:
>
>> I thought of putting some pem inserts into the rotary table so you
>could
>> do what you are saying.  I just never got around to either needing to
>> making it happen.
>>
>> Another thought I will pass on that low profile clamps will work
>better
>> than many of the larger knobs sold by rockler.  At least be careful
>when
>> cutting.  I have posted on sever low profile clamps in this group.
>>
>> I forgot where you landed in Oregon, care to remind me.
>>
>> Tim
>> On Dec 11, 2018, at 8:47 PM, rookie  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Tim for the information on your efforts to improve upon
>the
>>> rotary table, look's like great minds think alike, :-)  Sharing of
>this
>>> info is just one of the many great things about this Legacy group. 
>I went
>>> to the Rockler woodworking store today in Beaverton and picked-up
>the
>>> T-track rail as well as several t-track accessories, hold downs,
>small
>>> toggles, stops, with the intention of creating new plywood rotary
>tables
>>> with the T-track rails/hold-downs which should give you more control
>of the
>>> workpiece staying put on the table when being routed.  I plan on
>making
>>> several wood rotary tables that will have different hold down
>features for
>>> different applications.  To make switching out the new wood
>table"jigs"
>>> easier, I'm going to deviate from Legacy's way of fastening the
>original
>>> MDF wood table to the round turntable base with four #8 screws,
>their
>>> design, (screws are fastened underneath the table) forces you to
>remove the
>>> entire rotary table from the rails.  The plan is to make is so the
>new wood
>>> tables, aka, hold-down jigs, will fasten to the metal turntable from
>the
>>> top. Thanks again, some great ideas, I'd like to have you for a
>neighbor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:44:01 PM UTC-8, rookie wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings to all.  Back in the shop, (my winter hang-out), and
>looking
>>>> to make some fun wood X-mas gifts.  I've dusted off the Legacy 900
>and
>>>> installed the rotary table, always a pain to line up the center of
>the
>>>> router to the center of the rotary table.  I watched the Legacy
>training
>>>> dvd's on centering the rotary table and have used that method in
>the past
>>>> but there has to be a faster more accurate way, any thoughts or
>experience
>>>> on this?  Also looking to making some hold down jigs on the rotary
>table,
>>>> I've been using double stick tape but that method has some
>drawbacks, i.e.,
>>>> often leaves a sticky residue,  fails at time to hold down wood
>piece which
>>>> results in ruining the work, also with thin pieces the risk of
>breaking
>>>> while trying to release workpiece from the tape/table.  I picked-up
>some
>>>> nice grade 3/4" plywood today with the intention of making several
>rotary
>>>> tables with different hold down features, T-Tracks come to mind as
>these
>>>> have a lot of  assorted accessories you can use with a T-Track. 
>Shell in
>>>> Oregon.
>>>>
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

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I've done pumping on the legacy before, but was not satisfied with the amount 
of time it took to setup and make changes.  It was all done on the rotary 
table, but could also work wrapping around a cylinder.  The method used where 
cams cut on a cnc and added to the leadscrew.  I used a spring setup that would 
quickly fatigue and fail during a long run.  If I slowed the cut down it could 
have worked better.

To change the number of pumps on the piece I used a chain setup linking the 
leadscrew and spindle.  Changing the sprockets changed the ratio, thus the 
number of pumps.  This I similar to the method used by Pudsey Dawson (sp).

What I learned is close to what you are describing.  Running the cams on the 
backside of the machine on a keyed or square stock would be easier to swap out 
cams and prevent any slipping.  I was in the process of determining the spring 
rate when I was forced to abandon the project.  Also a method of variable swash 
plate is a great way to start.  That way young can adjust the travel of the 
pump.  This is helpful when start on the outside edge of a rotary project as 
you move into the center.

Now I know pictures are worth a thousand words, but I'm not sure if I 
documented it because it was not ready for show at the time.  The parts are 
buried in a storage unit some what like the last scene in "The Raiders of the 
Lost Ark" movie!  

As to what I wrote, I should really not write replies when waking up or going 
to bed.  It is what it is!

Tim

On Dec 12, 2018, 5:22 AM, at 5:22 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>thanks to all for their comments, compliments, encouragement, etc. ...
>Hey 
>Tim!... not sure if I am interpreting  your comment correctly... what I
>am 
>saying in my previous post, is that I do not intend to convert the
>Legacy 
>into a rose engine machine... they certainly are two very different
>pieces 
>of equipment, although, I might guess, you could put them in the same 
>classification of "ornamental milling equipment"... what I would like
>to 
>attempt to achieve, as many in this group have thought about in the
>past, 
>is to accessorize the Legacy to achieve "rose-engine like" cuts on
>their 
>workpieces... a rose engine has far to many bells and whistles to think
>
>that they could be adapted onto a Legacy... but just a simplistic
>pumping 
>action option would open up a new world of options for design on the 
>legacy, as the "wave" attachment has done... is it possible to do a
>pump 
>action on a Legacy?... I believe it could be... can it be done on a 
>reasonable budget is the bigger question... let's face it, throw enough
>
>money at any project, it can be completed... I know a very well known, 
>ornamental turner(Harvey Fein) who told me whenever he came upon a 
>problem/challenge, he simply put enough zeros, on the end of what it
>would 
>cost, to fix it!... LOL!... I certainly do not have the finances that 
>Harvey has, and as a matter of fact I might have to rob a bank to see
>this 
>mod through!... or start a "go fund me" page!... LOL!... but I am going
>to 
>try to do this as cheaply as possible(plastic rosette wheels, for
>example, 
>not brass)… so, when you say a Legacy "should not" be a rose engine,
>are 
>you referring to the idea that a simpler conversion is not attainable, 
>solely from a logistic stand point?,  or that the attempt should not be
>
>made because the desired type of end work will not be doable?... thanks
>for 
>taking the time to read this and my other ramblings, your opinion
>matters 
>and is respected... Joe
>
>
>
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

I've done pumping on the legacy before, but was not satisfied with the amount 
of time it took to setup and make changes.  It was all done on the rotary 
table, but could also work wrapping around a cylinder.  The method used where 
cams cut on a cnc and added to the leadscrew.  I used a spring setup that would 
quickly fatigue and fail during a long run.  If I slowed the cut down it could 
have worked better.

To change the number of pumps on the piece I used a chain setup linking the 
leadscrew and spindle.  Changing the sprockets changed the ratio, thus the 
number of pumps.  This I similar to the method used by Pudsey Dawson (sp).

What I learned is close to what you are describing.  Running the cams on the 
backside of the machine on a keyed or square stock would be easier to swap out 
cams and prevent any slipping.  I was in the process of determining the spring 
rate when I was forced to abandon the project.  Also a method of variable swash 
plate is a great way to start.  That way young can adjust the travel of the 
pump.  This is helpful when start on the outside edge of a rotary project as 
you move into the center.

Now I know pictures are worth a thousand words, but I'm not sure if I 
documented it because it was not ready for show at the time.  The parts are 
buried in a storage unit some what like the last scene in "The Raiders of the 
Lost Ark" movie!  

As to what I wrote, I should really not write replies when waking up or going 
to bed.  It is what it is!

Tim

On Dec 12, 2018, 5:22 AM, at 5:22 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>thanks to all for their comments, compliments, encouragement, etc. ...
>Hey 
>Tim!... not sure if I am interpreting  your comment correctly... what I
>am 
>saying in my previous post, is that I do not intend to convert the
>Legacy 
>into a rose engine machine... they certainly are two very different
>pieces 
>of equipment, although, I might guess, you could put them in the same 
>classification of "ornamental milling equipment"... what I would like
>to 
>attempt to achieve, as many in this group have thought about in the
>past, 
>is to accessorize the Legacy to achieve "rose-engine like" cuts on
>their 
>workpieces... a rose engine has far to many bells and whistles to think
>
>that they could be adapted onto a Legacy... but just a simplistic
>pumping 
>action option would open up a new world of options for design on the 
>legacy, as the "wave" attachment has done... is it possible to do a
>pump 
>action on a Legacy?... I believe it could be... can it be done on a 
>reasonable budget is the bigger question... let's face it, throw enough
>
>money at any project, it can be completed... I know a very well known, 
>ornamental turner(Harvey Fein) who told me whenever he came upon a 
>problem/challenge, he simply put enough zeros, on the end of what it
>would 
>cost, to fix it!... LOL!... I certainly do not have the finances that 
>Harvey has, and as a matter of fact I might have to rob a bank to see
>this 
>mod through!... or start a "go fund me" page!... LOL!... but I am going
>to 
>try to do this as cheaply as possible(plastic rosette wheels, for
>example, 
>not brass)… so, when you say a Legacy "should not" be a rose engine,
>are 
>you referring to the idea that a simpler conversion is not attainable, 
>solely from a logistic stand point?,  or that the attempt should not be
>
>made because the desired type of end work will not be doable?... thanks
>for 
>taking the time to read this and my other ramblings, your opinion
>matters 
>and is respected... Joe
>
>
>
>
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Re: Rotary table modifications.

[Tim Krause]

I thought of putting some pem inserts into the rotary table so you could do 
what you are saying.  I just never got around to either needing to making it 
happen.

Another thought I will pass on that low profile clamps will work better than 
many of the larger knobs sold by rockler.  At least be careful when cutting.  I 
have posted on sever low profile clamps in this group.

I forgot where you landed in Oregon, care to remind me.

Tim

On Dec 11, 2018, 8:47 PM, at 8:47 PM, rookie  wrote:
>Thank you Tim for the information on your efforts to improve upon the 
>rotary table, look's like great minds think alike, :-)  Sharing of this
>
>info is just one of the many great things about this Legacy group.  I
>went 
>to the Rockler woodworking store today in Beaverton and picked-up the 
>T-track rail as well as several t-track accessories, hold downs, small 
>toggles, stops, with the intention of creating new plywood rotary
>tables 
>with the T-track rails/hold-downs which should give you more control of
>the 
>workpiece staying put on the table when being routed.  I plan on making
>
>several wood rotary tables that will have different hold down features
>for 
>different applications.  To make switching out the new wood table"jigs"
>
>easier, I'm going to deviate from Legacy's way of fastening the
>original 
>MDF wood table to the round turntable base with four #8 screws, their 
>design, (screws are fastened underneath the table) forces you to remove
>the 
>entire rotary table from the rails.  The plan is to make is so the new
>wood 
>tables, aka, hold-down jigs, will fasten to the metal turntable from
>the 
>top. Thanks again, some great ideas, I'd like to have you for a
>neighbor.  
>
>
>
>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:44:01 PM UTC-8, rookie wrote:
>
>> Greetings to all.  Back in the shop, (my winter hang-out), and
>looking to 
>> make some fun wood X-mas gifts.  I've dusted off the Legacy 900 and 
>> installed the rotary table, always a pain to line up the center of
>the 
>> router to the center of the rotary table.  I watched the Legacy
>training 
>> dvd's on centering the rotary table and have used that method in the
>past 
>> but there has to be a faster more accurate way, any thoughts or
>experience 
>> on this?  Also looking to making some hold down jigs on the rotary
>table, 
>> I've been using double stick tape but that method has some drawbacks,
>i.e., 
>> often leaves a sticky residue,  fails at time to hold down wood piece
>which 
>> results in ruining the work, also with thin pieces the risk of
>breaking 
>> while trying to release workpiece from the tape/table.  I picked-up
>some 
>> nice grade 3/4" plywood today with the intention of making several
>rotary 
>> tables with different hold down features, T-Tracks come to mind as
>these 
>> have a lot of  assorted accessories you can use with a T-Track. 
>Shell in 
>> Oregon. 
>>
>
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

Well said Joe,

I'm also a member of SOT and on and off OTI.  The scale is what makes the LOM 
different.  We can rope poles with the ease of roping a pen.  There is a small 
handful of members in the group that also own rose engines and straight line 
machine.  I have yet to meet a member that owns a brocade machine.  Any way, I 
don't think any longer that the lom should be a rose engines.  It's similar to 
comparing a chop saw to a circular saw.  Both cut wood, but in very different 
ways.

Tim

On Dec 11, 2018, 5:54 AM, at 5:54 AM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>just a couple of points that I would like to make... I have been a fan
>of 
>ornamental turning for many years... joined the society, went to the 
>symposiums(not for several years though), etc and always have had a
>
>very high admiration of the work and artistry that was produced,
>although a 
>bit frustrated because without the machinery and attachments, it was
>not 
>attainable( at least to the degree that was being exhibited and the
>award 
>winning pieces being shown)… what needs to be considered here, while 
>contemplating(and I will emphasize the word "contemplating"!... LOL!)
>doing 
>this very unique and unusual mod to a Legacy mill, is what the
>expectation 
>of a typical piece might be... I am quite sure that it will not have
>the 
>extreme complexity and detailing that we are all accustomed to seeing
>on a 
>typical, ornamental, "holtzapffel", rose engine milled piece... if this
>mod 
>is completed, I might expect a typical workpiece to be at least twice
>the 
>size of other ornamental pieces... and at times, up to four times 
>larger(both in diameter and length) than a typical ornamental piece...
>so 
>the high degree of complexity and detailing is just not going to be 
>there... what would be there though, is the larger size workpiece, with
>a 
>degree of design and complexity that was not done or seen before(at
>least 
>to my knowledge)… and which also goes along with my general sense of, 
>"bigger is better"... LOL!... no surprise there!... the point in making
>
>this statement is what anyone should expect, if this mod should ever be
>
>achieved... something unique, something different, but not something on
>the 
>level of what a rose engine lathe can do... that being said, we move 
>forward!... regards... Joe Biunno
>
>
>>>
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Re: Rotary table modifications.

[Tim Krause]

Hello Shell,

You're going in the right direction...  
https://ornamentalmills.com/tips/threaded_insert/rotary_table_threaded_insert.html
 shows what I did.  In the end, I'd like to see some photos.

Tim

On Dec 10, 2018, 10:14 AM, at 10:14 AM, rookie  wrote:
>Thanks for your thoughts on this Joe, enjoyed looking into the Skoal 
>centering scope.  I agree the easiest, (and least costly) method is 
>chucking a pointed bit in the router and centering it into the rotary
>table 
>then bolting down the table, what frustrated me recently was my rotary 
>table has the original Legacy MDF board top with it's numerous pencil 
>marking and previous centering holes marks/depressions that after
>numerous 
>on/off installations I'm halfway guessing on where true center is and
>this 
>has led to off centered work pieces.  In an attempt to make for future 
>easier centering when installing the rotary table, yesterday I took the
>
>rotary table apart and drilled and tapped a 1/4"-20 hole in the plastic
>
>center, the plan is to have a dedicated 1/4" bolt with a point on the
>top 
>to align with the router centering bit, once centered just remove the 
>pointed bolt from the table.  The new plywood rotary tables will have a
>
>1/4" hole dead center, (considering putting a brass or bronze bushing
>in 
>the center flush to the table surface so the hole doesn't get elongated
>
>and  then install the aforementioned T-tracks for holding down the work
>
>pieces.  We all have experienced a loose work piece being chopped up by
>a 
>ravenous router bit spinning at 10,000rpm, not fun.   I really enjoy
>the 
>rotary table, I've barely scratched the surface on what this accessory
>can 
>do, just need to improve upon the centering, and hold down fixtures. 
>Shell 
>in Oregon.
>
>On Sunday, December 9, 2018 at 8:44:01 PM UTC-8, rookie wrote:
>>
>> Greetings to all.  Back in the shop, (my winter hang-out), and
>looking to 
>> make some fun wood X-mas gifts.  I've dusted off the Legacy 900 and 
>> installed the rotary table, always a pain to line up the center of
>the 
>> router to the center of the rotary table.  I watched the Legacy
>training 
>> dvd's on centering the rotary table and have used that method in the
>past 
>> but there has to be a faster more accurate way, any thoughts or
>experience 
>> on this?  Also looking to making some hold down jigs on the rotary
>table, 
>> I've been using double stick tape but that method has some drawbacks,
>i.e., 
>> often leaves a sticky residue,  fails at time to hold down wood piece
>which 
>> results in ruining the work, also with thin pieces the risk of
>breaking 
>> while trying to release workpiece from the tape/table.  I picked-up
>some 
>> nice grade 3/4" plywood today with the intention of making several
>rotary 
>> tables with different hold down features, T-Tracks come to mind as
>these 
>> have a lot of  assorted accessories you can use with a T-Track. 
>Shell in 
>> Oregon. 
>>
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Re: ornamental turning on a rose engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

Curt and myself have been thinking about the options to create rose engines 
cuts for a very long time.  So long that I bought a mdf rose engines myself to 
get on with actually doing the work!  More on this later.

On Dec 6, 2018, 2:49 PM, at 2:49 PM, 'joe biunno' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
>hey Pat!... can I assume that in your variation, the router carriage is
>
>stationary without the ability to slide along the bed?... I would need
>the 
>carriage to move along the X axis so various "pump" action cuts could
>be 
>done along a spiral of some sort... so the pumping action needs to be
>in 
>motion while the carriage is in motion... I am racking my brain on this
>
>one... I have done a lot of mods on my Legacy, and some that I have
>done 
>the design work on but just don't have the time right now to execute
>and 
>build... but this mod has me stumped to the point that I cannot get the
>
>design worked out, never mind what it might take to complete the actual
>mod 
>to a full working stage!... I like the idea of coming off the end of
>the 
>lead screw... the problem is how to transfer that motion to a X-axis
>moving 
>carriage, along the full length of the bed... let the quest
>continue!... 
>LOL!... thanks... Joe
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Re: Anyone know what this is?

[Tim Krause]

Those are templates for a clock project.  There should be one more template for 
making a flame finial.  The other two that you have is for the top part of the 
clock.  I might have some images but I'm away from the information at the 
moment.  

Tim

On Dec 1, 2018, 8:05 PM, at 8:05 PM, Tracy Smith  wrote:
>I got some parts to a Legacy Mill this week and it included two plates
>(see 
>picture).  I assume it is part of / to be used with the duplicator but
>I 
>can't find any information on them.
>
>Thanks,
>Tracy
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Tim Krause]

Hi Jim, 

Welcome to the group.  I'll contact you off of the list shortly.

On Nov 21, 2018, 4:39 PM, at 4:39 PM, James Duncanson 
 wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Tim, 
>>
>> My name is Jim Duncanson and I'm from Burleson, Texas. I'm a retiree
>(68 
>> years old); I purchased my 1200 in 2004. Along with the 1200 I
>purchased 
>> several of the VHS tapes teaching various projects such as the
>candlestick. 
>> I have a small (about 400 sq. ft.) shop with lots of toys. Initially,
>I had 
>> intended to learn furniture making when I retired. Getting sick
>stopped the 
>> move to a bigger building and forced me to adapt to having the shop
>in my 
>> garage. It's a little crowded but the commute is great. I have all
>the 
>> usual suspects; mini lathe, table saw, vertical band saw, panel
>sander, 
>> jointer, planer and of course the legacy ornamental mill. While I am
>no 
>> longer able to do furniture due to limitations, I am trying to learn
>and 
>> make lots of other things. So far I have made band saw boxes, cutting
>
>> boards and small wooden games for the family, and with some help from
>my 
>> oldest son this year I was able to build a cradle for his first grand
>
>> daughter.
>>
>>
>> Shortly after I assembled the Legacy, I suffered a major illness with
>long 
>> lasting issues that prevented me from playing with it. It currently
>is 
>> sitting covered with dust in my shop and I'm getting ready to pull it
>out 
>> of the corner and rehab it. More than anything, I would like to find
>a copy 
>> of the machine and project instructions both written and electronic
>media. 
>> Mine were on VHS and were mistakenly gotten rid of when the VHS
>player died 
>> and we replaced it with a DVD. If there are any members that have
>that 
>> information in DVD format, I would love to purchase it or a copy of
>it. I 
>> have been more than a little saddened that Legacy doesn't support
>their 
>> products any longer.
>>
>
>Best regards, Jim 
>
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: A New Wave

[Tim Krause]

Now you're getting the hang of the reciprocator!  It's the perfect replication 
of work of ornamental Turner's in the 1800!

Tim

On Nov 12, 2018, 11:17 AM, at 11:17 AM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental 
Mills  wrote:
>I have the day off form work, Just playing around.More latter.C.A.G.
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Re: New Members and Moderation

[Tim Krause]

Hello, 

The 800 is very close to a model 900.  Send me a note offlist at 
artmarb...@comcast.net and I will get you the manual.

All of the combination manuals that I currently have do not include the 800.  
They do cover the models 200/400/900/1200/1800 and various accessories.

If the tape you have is truly for the model 800, I can convert it to did for 
you as well.

Tim

On Nov 6, 2018, 8:35 AM, at 8:35 AM, Andrew Schwartz  
wrote:
>Thank Bill. I think I remember a video tape of somesort, but it may
>have 
>been a demo tape. I'll check. It will be easier to find the tape than a
>
>VCR. :)
>
>On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 3:15:57 AM UTC-5, aussiman wrote:
>>
>> Welcome Andy did your mill have any video tapes in the boxes the 
>> instructions can be there as well.
>>
>> One of our members Tim may be able to help you with a instruction
>manual 
>> that includes your 800
>>
>>  
>>
>> Looking at the 800 and the more popular 900 they look very similar so
>
>> getting a 900 assembly instructions might be enough to assemble your
>mill 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of
>*Andrew 
>> Schwartz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 November 2018 2:19 AM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* Re: New Members and Moderation
>>
>>  
>>
>> Hello Everyone:
>>
>>  
>>
>> My name is Andy and I'm a new member to the group. My first
>woodworking 
>> project was making a replica of a $3,000 pine TV armoire my wife
>wanted for 
>> our first Christmas. As a young couple, it may have been $1 million.
>I made 
>> if for about $200 (don't tell her that!)., including the slide door 
>> hardware It was strong enough to house a 32 inch Sony TV, which I
>think 
>> weighed 450 lbs. :). We still have it today. From there I built our
>living 
>> room side tables and coffee table from cherry, raised panel waynes
>cotting 
>> (MDF) for the dining room, a window seat (birch ply and maple face),
>and a 
>> library/cabinet/TV entertaiment center for my basement out of poor
>man's 
>> cherry (poplar). In 2003, I built my oldest daughter's "big girl bed"
>and 
>> drawer set out of maple. I bought the Legacy 800 soon after hoping to
>make 
>> more creative pieces. But, as life has it, my wife and I decided to
>make 
>> more babies instead, so I never opend the boxes for the Legacy 800.
>Every 
>> year, life kept the boxes closed...unitil yesterday. My wife wants a
>new 
>> kitchen island. I want to make hope chests for my three teenage
>girls, and 
>> I want my ten year old son to learn how to build things. 
>>
>>  
>>
>> After opening up the parts box of the 800, I noticed this would be
>quite a 
>> project to set up. I searched for assembly directions, and couldn't
>find 
>> them (or they disintegrated after 15 years). 
>>
>>  
>>
>> I found this group and hoped I could get (1)Assembly instructions for
>the 
>> 800 or similar mill (2) experienced help with an older legacy model 
>> (3)share my work with like minded people.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for reading my intro. I look forward to participating in this
>group.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 8:07:09 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Hello New Members, 
>>
>>  
>>
>> This is a reminder that until you post a message, your messages must
>be 
>> approved by either an owner or moderators of this group to be 
>> posted.  Google sends an automated message to the people that 
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>update 
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>>  
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Re: Pottery engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

I certainly should have looked before I posted my message.  I noticed a lengthy 
PDF on the subject in the articles section on the topic.  I'm currently a 
member of the SOT.  Thanks for the post!

Tim

On Oct 17, 2018, 12:23 AM, at 12:23 AM, ptj.john...@sky.com wrote:
>Hi All. 
>The Society of Ornamental Turners (SOT) are well aware of the use of
>rose 
>engines as applied to pottery.The rose engine as used at the Wedgewood 
>factory at Barlaston has been studied by various SOT members and
>published 
>in the SOT Bulletin. There are other early instances of the use of 
>ornamental lathes in pottery but the Wedgewood lathe is the best known.
>SOT 
>members use a wide range of techniques (OT lathes, rose engines,
>brocading, 
>medallion, etc.) to produce their work in a wide range of materials
>(wood, 
>metals, natural materials, plastic, etc.). If you want to know more
>then 
>start with www.the-sot.org
>Regards,
>Pete. (Revo owner)
>Dr. Peter Johnson,
>SOT President.
>
>On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 9:45:47 AM UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I wonder how aware the SOT group is aware of this?  Most of their 
>> information is regarding wood and ivory as material for turning. 
>Great 
>> find for sure.  
>> On Oct 15, 2018, at 9:40 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental
>Mills <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Dexter 
>>> Awesome Video. Like Bill said a Rose engine for clay. ;-) Neat
>stuff. 
>>> I have been working along the lines you envision for the Legacy for
>a 
>>> number of years now, Yes I think it is possible for the Legacy to do
>things 
>>> like what you see in this video. 
>>> Tim's Wave attachment, and my Rosetta follower are two
>modifications/ 
>>> jigs that I've made for my Legacy. 
>>> Thanks for the idea, Hopefully I or someone else in our group will
>be 
>>> able to make something more...? The possibility's are there. ;-) 
>>> Have a good night. 
>>> C.A.G. 
>>> [image: Inline image]"> 
>>> [image: Inline image]"> 
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 15, 2018, 4:04:18 PM EDT, Dexter Bland <
>>> dexte...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-7twF5_chU 
>>>
>>> Curt should be interested in this video. This is a special lathe
>that is 
>>> used to cut patterns in pottery cups for doing inlays. I could
>envision a 
>>> legacy having some modifications to make this work. Of course, those
>who 
>>> have a CNC controlled unit could do this with the right programming.
>
>>> db  
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RE: Pottery engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

Didn't know I was in cult!  Geometric Chuck's are much more complicated, they 
make rose engines trivial.

On Oct 16, 2018, 6:05 AM, at 6:05 AM, Michael Kratky  
wrote:
>Bill, believe your right having seen them in action at various AAW
>Symposiums (www.woodturner.org  ) over the
>years, quite fascinating but complex with a cult type following for
>obvious reasons.
>
> 
>
>Michael
>
> 
>
>From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>Bulkeley
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 8:57 AM
>To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: Pottery engine lathe video
>
> 
>
>I believe the Rose engine lathe gets the name because of the rose
>patterns it produces in the work usually metal but also wood and now I
>see clay.
>
>I’m not a 100 percent sure but I think that’s how it got the name
>please correct me if I’m wrong anyone
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>Bill
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>[mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dexter
>Bland
>Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2018 11:37 PM
>To: Legacy Ornamental Mills
>Subject: Re: Pottery engine lathe video
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>Question - where did the name "rose engine" come from? Inventor name?
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>
>On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:40:09 PM UTC-5, Curt George wrote:
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>
>Hello Dexter
>
>Awesome Video. Like Bill said a Rose engine for clay. ;-) Neat stuff.
>
>I have been working along the lines you envision for the Legacy for a
>number of years now, Yes I think it is possible for the Legacy to do
>things like what you see in this video.
>
>Tim's Wave attachment, and my Rosetta follower are two modifications/
>jigs that I've made for my Legacy.
>
>Thanks for the idea, Hopefully I or someone else in our group will be
>able to make something more...? The possibility's are there. ;-)
>
>Have a good night.
>
>C.A.G.
>
>Inline image
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>Inline image
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>On Monday, October 15, 2018, 4:04:18 PM EDT, Dexter Bland
> > wrote: 
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-7twF5_chU
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>
>Curt should be interested in this video. This is a special lathe that
>is used to cut patterns in pottery cups for doing inlays. I could
>envision a legacy having some modifications to make this work. Of
>course, those who have a CNC controlled unit could do this with the
>right programming.
>
>db 
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Re: Pottery engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

Named after the patterns that they make.  

On Oct 16, 2018, 5:37 AM, at 5:37 AM, Dexter Bland  
wrote:
>
>Question - where did the name "rose engine" come from? Inventor name?
>
>On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 11:40:09 PM UTC-5, Curt George wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Dexter
>> Awesome Video. Like Bill said a Rose engine for clay. ;-) Neat stuff.
>> I have been working along the lines you envision for the Legacy for a
>
>> number of years now, Yes I think it is possible for the Legacy to do
>things 
>> like what you see in this video.
>> Tim's Wave attachment, and my Rosetta follower are two modifications/
>jigs 
>> that I've made for my Legacy.
>> Thanks for the idea, Hopefully I or someone else in our group will be
>able 
>> to make something more...? The possibility's are there. ;-)
>> Have a good night.
>> C.A.G.
>> [image: Inline image]
>> [image: Inline image]
>>   
>> On Monday, October 15, 2018, 4:04:18 PM EDT, Dexter Bland <
>> dexte...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-7twF5_chU
>>
>> Curt should be interested in this video. This is a special lathe that
>is 
>> used to cut patterns in pottery cups for doing inlays. I could
>envision a 
>> legacy having some modifications to make this work. Of course, those
>who 
>> have a CNC controlled unit could do this with the right programming.
>> db 
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Re: Pottery engine lathe video

[Tim Krause]

I wonder how aware the SOT group is aware of this?  Most of their information 
is regarding wood and ivory as material for turning.  Great find for sure.  


On Oct 15, 2018, 9:40 PM, at 9:40 PM, 'Curt George' via Legacy Ornamental Mills 
 wrote:
> 
>Hello DexterAwesome Video. Like Bill said a Rose engine for clay. ;-)
>Neat stuff.I have been working along the lines you envision for the
>Legacy for a number of years now, Yes I think it is possible for the
>Legacy to do things like what you see in this video.Tim's Wave
>attachment, and my Rosetta follower are two modifications/ jigs that
>I've made for my Legacy.Thanks for the idea, Hopefully I or someone
>else in our group will be able to make something more...? The
>possibility's are there. ;-)Have a good night.C.A.G.
>
>  On Monday, October 15, 2018, 4:04:18 PM EDT, Dexter Bland
> wrote:  
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-7twF5_chU
>Curt should be interested in this video. This is a special lathe that
>is used to cut patterns in pottery cups for doing inlays. I could
>envision a legacy having some modifications to make this work. Of
>course, those who have a CNC controlled unit could do this with the
>right programming.db 
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Re: Ornamental Mills Around the World

[Tim Krause]

Hi Ryan,

Thanks for trying, but at the moment the map is not taking any new members.  
Where are you located and remind me what machine you own.

Tim


On Sep 24, 2018, 9:31 AM, at 9:31 AM, Ryan Jurgens  
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>For some reason I can't get anything tagged on the map. I get to the
>map 
>(went to Google Chrome) but when I click on it there is no new map nor 
>field to enter any information. Not sure why. I have Windows 10 on my 
>laptop.
>
>Ryan Jurgens
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>On Sunday, July 7, 2013 at 4:54:45 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> I accidentally deleted this thread when I was trying to remove all
>the off 
>> topic messages in the thread.   
>>
>> We have a hidden group map that shows where the owners of Legacy 
>> Ornamental Mills are located around the World.  
>>
>> The map can be found here:
>http://ornamentalmills.com/map/usermap.html
>>
>> For instruction on how to place your marker on the map: 
>> http://ornamentalmills.com/map/map_directions.html
>>
>> This is also a great way to introduce yourself to our group.  I feel
>the 
>> map should be open to all owners of Legacy's equipment.  CNC members
>don't 
>> be shy. 
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>> -Tim
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